1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: So it's so funny the things that pop off and 2 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: that don't pop off. So let's talk about things that 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: unexpectedly pop off, which is why you ultimately always have 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: to be authentic, because if you're trying to produce products 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: or services or content that you think people will like, 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: it usually doesn't work. Authenticity is the name of the 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: game in twenty twenty four, and there are so many 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: different examples of it. But I am living proof of 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: that because I've seen this in so many different ways recently. 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: So I was on an airplane and a woman walked 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: up to me and she said, Hey, Bethany, it's Bozama. 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, hi, And she's like, I was 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: on your podcast. I'm like, I know you are. I 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: think the first guest on my podcast, and Boza st 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: John was the first guest on this podcast. Asked she 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: was the CMO of Netflix. Before that, she was at Endeavor, 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: which is a big talent agency. It's now William Morris 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Endeavor or maybe it is. Yeah, I think it's WM 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: ME And she said hi, and she said I'm on 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: the New Housewives of Beverly Hills. I said, you are. 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know it had just aired it had just started. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: I don't watch the Housewives. I do talk about them 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: because of the clips that I see on social media 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: about the Housewives. But I said, oh wow, that's so 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: crazy amazing, and she said, yeah, I was negotiating and 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: I had to sign the Bethany clause. Now she's a 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: bad bitch. She's a real serious business bitch. And she 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: said she had to sign the Bethany clause, which to 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: me was like my first real Bethany clause flex. I 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: know everybody's had to sign it, and I'll explain to 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: you what it is, but that was like my first 32 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: real flex because she was the CMO of Netflix. Heard 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: of Netflix, and so I know that she like respected 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: my gangster, you know what I mean. I could tell 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: she like she she kind of respected my gangster, and 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: I like that. I respect hers. So anyway, we're on 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the plane and then I talk into my phone and 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: I say, I tell a story. 39 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: I just ran into this woman. Blah blah blah. 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to meet her? And I bring my 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: phone over and I record her. I say, she says 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: it's okay, and she's beautiful, and she says hello, and 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: she's doing the show it's a testament to a couple 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: of things. One I remember years ago sitting down with 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: p K and Kyle PK from Beverly Hills, and he said, 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: we did the show because of you, and we want 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: the success that you've had. And I've heard this from 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: so many different Real Housewives producers, not now, of course, 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: because I'm persona and on Grada, but so many Real 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Housewives producers that every housewive comes in and says and 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: I want to do what Bethany did, And I'm so humbled, 52 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I'm so moved by that, Like I 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: never take that for granted, and it shows me that 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: it's correct. I remember, like the Erica Janes of the 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: world coming on, and the actresses that had a pre 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: existing career or a Lisa Rinna started being on the 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: show because they had seen my success. It's also why 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: the show has changed, and it's also why Real Housewives 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: of New York has changed, because the women are beautiful 60 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: and savvy and aware, and we were a bunch of 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: busted up train wrecks. So I'm going to get into 62 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: that we were has bins or nobody's. We were used 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: to be somebody or nobody's and now the girls on 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: the New York Housewives and are also savvy. It's hard 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to go back to authenticity and it's hard to go 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: home again. And then people were saying, what is the 67 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Bethany clause? And I was thinking, I can't believe people 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: don't know what the Bethany clause is. Actually, scratch that, 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: strike that f on the record. I can't believe why 70 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: would people know what the Bethany clause is? Because I've 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: discussed it, but that doesn't mean that everybody's heard it, 72 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: and I've taken new fans on the journey. The Bethany 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: clause is a clause that when you go onto reality TV, 74 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: you sign saying that you'll give a piece of your 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: future business because of the platform that they're giving you. Now, 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: when I went on Two Housewives, I got a contract 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: and there was a small blurb that said that we 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: would give a percentage of our business our future business. 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: I was a nobody, I had nothing going on. 80 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: The fact that I didn't want to sign this is 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: remarkable because I'm not great at contracts, but I am 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: good at just like sniffing out something that doesn't work. 83 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: And in my contract, I crossed that out. I said, 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: I'll take the shitty money, which was a lot of 85 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: money to me because I had no money, and I'm 86 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: crossing this part out. So this became a butt hurt 87 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: moment for Bravo when I was in the Hollywood Reporter 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: in a major article and on the cover of Forbes magazine, 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: and everybody saw the money that I made for Skinny Girl, 90 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: something that I used the vehicle of Housewives to create, 91 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: something that everyone tries to do now, something that the 92 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Kardashians followed suit in doing their sears integration into their show. 93 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: And Kim promoted Madori after my deal. Why because we 94 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: had the same agent, the same agent named Brian dw 95 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: When called for someone to pay fifty thousand dollars to 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Kim to do a small liquor deal, he said, no, 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: she doesn't drink, but he said, I have this girl 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: who has this idea for the skinny margarita. And that's 99 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: the deal that I ended up doing. After my deal, 100 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Kim ended up doing a deal via Brian Doo with 101 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Madori because that started the modern cocktail celebrity space. I 102 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: also started the TV show integration as that vehicle, meaning 103 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: that's why there was the Seers deal and all of 104 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: this stuff with the Kardashians fueled into that show, and 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: that's why they're billionaires now because they learned that model 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: which I created, and they've been much more successful and 107 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: lucrative than I have at it. They probably work way 108 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: harder than I do. There are many more than them. 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: They have a Chris Jenner and give them their flowers. 110 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: They've done incredibly well. But that was a model that 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: started because I was on the show and the other 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: women were like buying diamonds and getting facials and talking 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: about how rich they were. I was telling the truth 114 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: about how poor I was and what I wanted, and 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: in real time, I was going through the experience of 116 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: being hungry, being alone, being single, being in my late thirties, 117 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: being broke, and wanting something. And I went through that 118 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: with the audience, which was an authentic experience. And now 119 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: people are trying to sort of re create that, but 120 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: it's they can't help themselves by want to act rich. 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: And it's important to say to you all who are 122 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: in business or budding entrepreneurs or have an idea or 123 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: dreams that people like myself and like the Kardashians have 124 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: had many more failures and successes. I had the lunch meets, 125 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: I had a nutritional shake, I had bars. I've had 126 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. The Kardashians have had tanning products, 127 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: They've had hair products, They've had credit cards, they've had 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: diet pills. They've had so many different failures. But it's 129 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: like throwing spaghetti against the wall and something hit. Kim's 130 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: makeup hasn't blown the doors off the way that Kylie's did. 131 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: Kim Skims is what really popped it off, you know. 132 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's still supporting Kanye presumably now. And Kylie 133 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: had this apparel that didn't seem to do that well. 134 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: And it's not easy. J Lo has had skincare, body glow, 135 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: hair clothing, all of it. Beyonce had Darian Jean's. I mean, 136 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: people have had major businesses that have hundreds of millions 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: of followers and failed. So do not be discouraged. If 138 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: you have failed, you can succeed. There are many roads 139 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: to rome. And like I said, not everybody has a 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Hollywood powerhouse machine like the Kardashians and a 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: momager and this infrastructure and the television show they got, 142 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: which was a vehicle to push you through. 143 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: You know. It's not that easy. 144 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: So that's why it's difficult, you know, for the new 145 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: women on Housewives to come on and just be savvy 146 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: and be that bitch and have a social media presence 147 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: and that be enough. The audience wants to see the struggle, 148 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: wants the authenticity, but they also want the money. It's 149 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: very difficult. They want to see the Beverly Hills backyards, 150 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: but they also want to see someone struggling. They want 151 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: someone to succeed, but they also don't want them to 152 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: forget where they came from, you know, and you just 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: can't configure what the audience is going to want in 154 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: your small business, in your restaurant, or in a television 155 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: show or in a brand. You have to just be authentic. 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: And that's what most people aren't realizing. That's why the 157 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: Blake Livelies and the Jennifer Lopez is and a lot 158 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: of these celebrities that were trained in the glossed over, frosted, coached, 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: scripted land of Hollywood have fallen short. They just don't 160 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: know how to do it. It's not that easy to do. 161 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: It's not that easy to be authentic. So the Bethany 162 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: clause is something that Bosom assigned. And once My deal 163 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: happened and the article on the Hollywood Reporter and Forbes 164 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: came out, agents and lawyers started implementing the Bethany clause 165 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: because the networks were saying, we're not going to let 166 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: what happened with Bethany happened to us, and if someone 167 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: cash is out and has a big success, we are 168 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: going to want a piece. And the thing is it's 169 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: not that easily enforceable because networks, and this doesn't happen 170 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: with streamers, but networks aren't gonna be good at auditing. 171 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: Networks aren't gonna spend the time and money and accountants 172 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 1: to audit day and day out. She by cheat and 173 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: you know rando businesses from everybody on the Housewives and 174 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: other shows, you know, snooky slippers or Gretchen Rossi's handbags. 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: Like, they're not going to do that. It's an insurance policy. 176 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: So if one day somebody has a public cash out, 177 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: they can go claw back audit and then they can 178 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: get the money. But every day they're not just looking 179 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: at what Dori EAT's Beverly Beach. 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: What happened to that? 181 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think Dorit was also involved in nectaria 182 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: wedding gowns, like what happened to that? 183 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's not that easy. 184 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 1: So they're not clawing back to see how many nectaria 185 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: wedding gowns door eats sold. They're just or Beverly Beach 186 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: bathing suits that happen back then. It's if Beverly Beach 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: bathing suits got bought by Monday Swimwear, what would that 188 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: look like? 189 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: So what's also so interesting is not. 190 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Every that's a model that not everybody, So like Shark 191 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: Tank does not implement the Bethany clause, Shark Tank doesn't 192 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: care if Kevin O'Leary takes a piece of that business 193 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: that makes ten million dollars, or Mark Cuban or Barbara Corkran. 194 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: They want the show to do well. 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: And it's an interesting cultural discussion because they're not looking 196 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: to nickel and dime and take a piece of what 197 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: everybody does. They want a successful show. They're in the 198 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: business of successful shows. And if you want a good culture, 199 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: you should want your people to make money. You should 200 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: want all boats to rise with the tide. You should 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: want everybody to win and that's frankly what Bravo and 202 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: other networks should be focused on, Like they shouldn't really 203 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: be focused on grabbing everything from every person. They should 204 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: be focused on treating their talent really well. The reason 205 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: that Shark Tank has done so well and been like 206 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: a plug and play is because they taking care of 207 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: their people. They have a model that works, they have 208 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: a good culture. They make it very easy to shoot 209 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: the show, to produce the show, and everybody does well 210 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: in a business or a television show. It can be 211 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: even a small business or a restaurant where you have 212 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: a big turnover. You're constantly churning and burning and trying 213 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: not to pay people, not to reward people, trying to 214 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: take some of people's you're gonna bump into a lot 215 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: of turnover, and you're gonna bump into a different model. 216 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: So it's been interesting to watch the shifts in the Housewives. 217 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 2: And that culture. And it's funny. 218 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this too. You know, my publicist is like, 219 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: stay away from the Housewives. We finally rinsed it off. 220 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: It's not really you and it isn't really me. It's 221 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: been so many years, but I've proved myself in so 222 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: many different ways, And it's like, is Kim Kardashian the 223 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: same person as she was in the beginning of her 224 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: reality show or does her sex tape define her? Or 225 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: does Paris Hilton sex tape tape to find her? No? 226 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: Is it part of her journey? Yes? Was Paris Hilton 227 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: on The Simple Life? Yes? 228 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Was Kim Kardashian wearing cheesy bandage dresses in the beginning 229 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: on her show? And have people would have forgotten that? 230 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: Yes? But is it where she came from? Yes? 231 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: So it's like I talk about Housewives because I know 232 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: intimately about it and because it's also a flex sometimes 233 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: that like when I was on it, it was over 234 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: three million viewers and now it's got two hundred and 235 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: fifty thousand. Like I'm only human, I'm going to talk 236 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: about that. So yeah, So sometimes I go back and 237 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: forth about why do I want to have a show 238 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: about it and like talk about all these people and 239 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: care every day? No? 240 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: But am I allowed to talk about something I was 241 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: part of? Yeah? 242 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Because talking about the Bethany clause is talking about business 243 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: and talking about the shift there, and it is also 244 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: fairly shady, you know. It's sometimes I look over there 245 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, are they still talking about the same 246 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: shit all these years later? Like, are they really still 247 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: like in that same spot doing the same shit when 248 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: you know the world has orbited so many times? 249 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. 250 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, I am conflicted and sometimes don't want to 251 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: talk about it. But recently I've been talking about it 252 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: a bit more because it's just there's a big transition. 253 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: So it's like the entertainment industry has changed and it's 254 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: got to be discussed from a business standpoint. People like 255 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: Gary Vee talk about it a lot. People sometimes like 256 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: Mark Cuban talk about it. But the way we're consuming 257 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: content is definitely changing. It's a different world. When I 258 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: got into The Housewives, there was no Twitter, no Instagram, 259 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: no TikTok. There was Facebook, Okay, there was no Twitter. 260 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go on. I didn't want to 261 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: tell anybody what I'm doing. Now I talk to you 262 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: about my fucking chicken salad travails all day, Like it's insane. 263 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: The world has changed so much.