1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Rashwan MacDonald, the host of 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass, where we encourage people to stop 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories and start planning their own. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Listen up as I interview entrepreneurs from around the country, 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: talk to celebrities and ask them how they are running 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: their companies, and speak with non profits who are making 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a difference in their local communities. Now, sit back and 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: listen as we unlock the secrets to their success on 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. My guess is a licensed clinical 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: social worker, certified critical trauma professional, and passionate advocate for 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: auto immune disease awareness. As the found of Hopeful Therapy 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: and Consulting, Tomorrow provides holistic mental health care for individuals 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: living with autoimmune diseases, emphasizing trauma informed care, stress management, 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: and emotional wellness, which is all very important. Please welcome 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: the Money Making Conversation master Class Tomorrow. Are Jackson, how 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: you doing? My friend? 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: Hello? Thank you so much for having me. 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Now, I said a lot. Okay, so let's break it 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: down to my audience so they can they can hang 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: in there with us. Okay, First, well, let's start with 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: autoimmune diseases, What exactly is that? Sure? 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: So, autoimmune disease is when the body mistakes healthy cells 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: for invaders and begins to fight itself. And so some 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: of the popular ones that we know about are like lupus. 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: You hear about rheumatoid arthritis, multiple carosis, are as it's 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: recurred determined as ms, you know. So those are some 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: of the kind of ones, even chrones. Right, these are 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: some of the ones that we hear about often, but 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: in actuality they're over eighty autoimmune diseases. 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Autoimmune How did you get into this line of thought 31 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: process or care. 32 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Let me first say I've been a mental health professional 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: for over two decades, right, and so in the process 34 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: of you know, me working with families sometimes individuals, I've 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: worked with people who have dealt with chronic illness, not 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: even specifically auto on mute, but auto mune was sometimes 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: part of it, right. And so as far as how 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: I get to where I am today, during the lockdown, 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: I was again still weren't working as a mental health professional, 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: and you know, proliferated we know COVID and all of 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: those things. But equally alongside with that, I was dealing 42 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: with some symptoms that I had started exploring even before 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: the lockdown. It wasn't into that following like November, that 44 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. So it came from 45 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: a very personal place. And when I was diagnosed, we 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: also there was no one to really reach out to 47 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: because everything was shut down, like literally right, And so 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: I will say in my personal journey, the work that 49 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: I had already been doing with individuals throughout the span 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: of my career informed how I was able to respond 51 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: in even kind of my next steps. 52 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Now I know you're not a doctor, you know, no, right, right, 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: little something, because I got to ask exactly what some 54 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: of these symptoms are, so it can help me be educated. 55 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: Because first let's start with something that is personally attacking 56 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: your body. Rumatall? Do you said rumatoid? Or what exactly 57 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: is that? 58 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: So just think inflammation when we're talking about on our 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: immune disease across the board, just think of always inflammation 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: as part of it, right, And so like your body, 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: there's different organs or systems are in your body where 62 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: inflammation is stored. Right, So it far as far as 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: ouray is concerned, I deal with chronic inflammation. And for 64 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: me in my personal journey, because again each person is different. 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: Just like you said, my initial symptoms was my hands 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: were sticking. I literally at times in the morning, I 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: will wake up and couldn't open my hands, or it 68 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: took a lot of force opening my hands for instance. Also, 69 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: something that is really common across the board with autoimmune 70 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: disease is fatigue. And I'm not talking about a little tired. 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the push through I'll get through it. 72 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm tired. This is like literally almost like a narc 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: knock or elepsy, where like the body literally shuts down 74 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: without warning. You can't even pretend to try to stay up. 75 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the last five years has been 76 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: incredible as far as awareness, especially in the when mental 77 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: health area, especially in the African American community or community 78 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: of color, which has always been in denial or didn't 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: have the information or the train or lanes where you 80 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: could go if you had issues, and COVID exposed that 81 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: to all of us, and I think there was a 82 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: willingness to be able to seek help. I know personally 83 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: I'm dealing. I'm doing some virtual therapy with stress, trying 84 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to get my life back down to normal because it's 85 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: never been normal. You know, I've always bragged about my 86 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: stressful life. I almost was a champion because of it. 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: But something's not right. You got to have time for yourself. Okay, 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: anybody's listening. Something that has to be done so you 89 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: can have a calm, normal, everyday life. With that being said, 90 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Black people, that's me. Do we get it now or 91 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: we're still struggling to get there tomorrow. 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: I think with everything that is happening in our society, 93 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: people expect us to just sit back and almost like, Okay, 94 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: well we're gonna hint, We're just gonna take it right. 95 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: But what we've seen you mentioned the last five years, 96 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: even when if we think back to the shutdown where 97 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: people came out of their houses and was protesting, like, no, 98 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: we're not gonna have it. You're not gonna be whipping 99 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: on us. You're not gonna be shooting our children down, 100 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: our husband's, our brothers, uncles, et cetera, right, our daughter's nieces, etc. 101 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: And so much is happening, yes, and I think we 102 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: are getting it. I think no, have we arrived now? 103 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: And there's still such stigma. But in my work, I 104 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: see I work with a lot of us, you know, 105 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: and when I say us, it can be black or 106 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: it could be another person of color. Absolutely, people are 107 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: showing up. More people are understanding it's okay not to 108 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: be okay, And I think equally it helps when they're 109 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: opposite someone that looks like him. 110 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Let me just update everybody who we're talking to. I'm 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: talking tomorrow. R Jackson. She's a licensed clinical social worker 112 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: and certified clinical trauma professional with a deep passion for 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: autoimmune disease awareness. Now, well, we when I asked at 114 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, she said lupa's rheumatad arthritis, 115 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: which she is. In fact, I have a personal crisis 116 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: and she deals with MS. And but she said, you know, 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Sir Richel, despite the grower preference of these autoimmune diseases 118 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: are underrepresented, underrepresented mainstream health discussion. Is that what you're saying? 119 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: So yes, right, kind of like the usual suspects of 120 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: autoimmune diseases, we're very familiar, we're very familiar with. But 121 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: when it really comes down to education, I would ask you, 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: what do you really know about rheumatoid arthritis? What do 123 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: you really know about lupus and how it shows up? Right? 124 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: And the limited and even more than how it shows 125 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: up the limitations. Right. So this is kind of where 126 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: I work with client and individuals about right, because now 127 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: I can't show up the same and you as my 128 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: friend or you as my partner may be empathetic and 129 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: know my status or whatever situation is, but you don't 130 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: even know how to help me sometimes from day to day. 131 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: To know to live with a chronic illness, all all 132 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: immune or otherwise is to know that from day to day, 133 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: for the most part, you're not gonna know what that 134 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: next day is going to bring. So there's good days 135 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: and there's bad days, and there's days that you got 136 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: it and it feels like you can run the world 137 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: like the back the old days, but there's a lot 138 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: of days that you just can't. You just can't, mister McDonald. 139 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: If so, if a friend of yours say they're dealing 140 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: with something, asked what they're dealing with and how is 141 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: impact in their lives so you can be there for them. 142 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: That's the step, Pardicatar. Don't just walk away thinking you understand, 143 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: because my simple thing is the word arthritis has been 144 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: around my vocabulary the most. You know, talk about your 145 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: knuckles and your knees, you know, creaking. You know, nobody 146 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: wants to deal with any formal authoritis as you get old. 147 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: But then you tell me rumatald author brush. I can't 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: open my hands sometimes, you know, wow, I. 149 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Can't even open this. Times I couldn't even open my door. 150 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: You know how you press down? If you do the 151 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: press down, I couldn't even open my door. 152 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: I had to go to pt So with that being said, mentally, 153 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: that's where you come in and you help right absolutely 154 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: walking through the steps, walking through some of those steps. 155 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: I say the biggest part of my job is active 156 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: listening because if I don't listen, I don't even know 157 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: what questions. And usually I'm a person of questions, right 158 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: because my my remedy is not gonna help you, right, 159 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: even if a person has already like me, it's gonna 160 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: show up differently. So I just have to make safe 161 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: space for you to explore the possibilities. And I think 162 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: that's that's the biggest thing that I can say, The 163 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: biggest gift that I have been able to do in 164 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 2: my work is create safe space for people to understand 165 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: that we can put a semicolonto this diagnosis as opposed 166 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: to a period because when we get these news, right, 167 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: when we get the name to the situation, it's such 168 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: so matter of fact. And as you said, fifty million 169 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: people are affected with autoimmune diseases, right, And it's almost 170 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: like the doctor that gives you the news is reducing 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: you to a statistic. But I'm not a statistic and 172 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: I still need to now figure out how I show 173 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: up in my own life, right, what does this mean? 174 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: You know? How what does the alterations that I need 175 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: to have mean for me? And that's usually not the 176 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: conversations that you get with doctors. Honestly, that becomes with 177 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: your own research, that comes with you know, working with 178 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: a therapist or you know, are having a confidant that 179 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: gives you again safe space. I know I keep saying that, 180 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: but safety is very important because so much is going 181 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: on of what can bubble up when you hear this 182 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: diagnosis and what people associated to me tomorrow. 183 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: Like I stated several times in the show, and I'm 184 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep stating it because you need to understand we're 185 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: talking to a professional. She's a licensed clinical social worker 186 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: worker and certified clinical trauma professional with a deep passion 187 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: for auto mune autoimmune disease awareness. Now this conversation is 188 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: leaning more to empowering the community through conversation because and 189 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: education and education. Now you let's let's let's let's get 190 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: even deeper into tomorrow. You had an award winning documentary. Okay, 191 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: how can we Is it on YouTube or can we 192 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: access that? 193 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's actually on Vimeo. You can actually if you 194 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: go to Vimeo and you put in the invitation that 195 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: is the name of it, it should come up and 196 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: it gives you opportunity to rent it. No one can 197 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: can buy it. But because I'm still doing screenings, and 198 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: I do screenings whereas I do talkbacks and education, and 199 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: even there's a version of it where I will bring 200 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: a chef along and we'll will have you sampling food 201 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: because food is medicined. And yes, sometimes we have to 202 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: use medication, and I do use medication. But everybody that 203 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: is featured in the documentary also has incorporated what I 204 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 2: call lifestyle management, making intentional decisions whereas we can thrive 205 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: in spite of having whatever autoimmune disease that is, and 206 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: for a number of us, that includes food for a 207 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: number of us, that includes how you know what we 208 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: say yes to and what we say no to is 209 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: very is moving with extreme intentionality. 210 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: So you're saying, Rajan is on vimeo. My award winning 211 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: documentary is on Vimeo. Just go to Vimeo in this 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: search bar, type in the invitation and one can rent that. 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: This is a that is correct, or you can go 214 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: to IG. Here's another like, sure she's fired up now 215 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: she finally got to act together. Well, yeah, because if 216 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: we go through social media, there's a couple of ways 217 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: that you can do it. So do the meal, but 218 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: also on IG there's an impact campaign because it's all 219 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: about awareness, like you had said in education. So there's 220 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: an impact campaign page that I have created for the film, 221 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: and it's called the Invitation Documentary and that link also 222 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: even attached all over that. All over that page you 223 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: will have different resources, inspiration testimonials, you know. All of 224 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: that is on that page. But in the in the 225 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: profile is a link and it has doing the link tree. 226 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: It has where you can go hit and rent the video. 227 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: Also my website Hopeful Therapy and Consulting or even tomorrow 228 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: r Jackson dot com. 229 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 230 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: money making conversations Masterclass. Welcome back, to the Money Making 231 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass 232 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: continues online at Moneymakingconversations dot com and follow money Making 233 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 234 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about this tomorrow. 235 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, y'all have a lot now, you know. 236 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm letting you get your worried out because we got to. 237 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. This episode is about education, It's about 238 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: pushing us beyond. Oh yeah, yeah, I got you, I 239 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: got you. I got you because one of the most 240 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: compelling things you mentioned on this show is that autoimmune disease. 241 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: You can be great on Tuesday, be bad on Wednesday. Absolutely, 242 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: you can be great on Monday, Tuesday, window, Thursday, Friday, 243 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: and band on Saturday. You can't make the party or 244 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: you can't make the wedd right and I can't get 245 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: up and go to work on Monday morning. And what 246 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: happens in that old situation is the word embarrassment. Not 247 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: wanting to tell people what's going on in your personal life, 248 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: not wanting to feel like baggage. You don't want to 249 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: walk in a room with people staring at you. If 250 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: you stumble I'm all you know, because you know how 251 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: people are. If they don't understand something you cough, they 252 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: think it's contagious even though it's not contagious. So something 253 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier is the word diet, because that's so 254 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: important what you eating, how you eat. Let's stick with 255 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: you because you know you're my personal subject matter expert. 256 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: You have ari As she's shouting it to me. Now, 257 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, like, I know what I'm talking about, all right, 258 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: I love it. 259 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: No, go ahead, I love it. 260 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: I love it. What did your did change? And what 261 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: did you do? Did you fight your diet change or 262 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: how did did y'all die change? For you? 263 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: When I when we say diet here, we're not talking 264 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: about of latest trend, you know. No, we're talking about 265 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: a lifestyle change. And really what that looks like is 266 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: an anti inflammatory diet. For me, I was already plant based, right, 267 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: so I didn't have to It wasn't too much pivoting, 268 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: not saying that a person has to be plant based 269 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: on an ANSI inflammatory diet. Well, what it does include 270 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: is making sure you're eating wild caught foods like wild 271 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: caught salmon. I think Macro was on the list year. 272 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: It was like those white fish, right, and salmon equally, 273 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: it's the wild gain as far as meats, so it's 274 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: not beef, but it's like buffalo and absolutely so anything 275 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: that you ingest, it's not promoting more inflammation. Remember I 276 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: said at the beginning, will all auto I mean disease, 277 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 2: you know that. Excuse me? Inflammation is involved, right, So 278 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: any means necessary. We're trying to reduce inflammation. So that's 279 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: reducing sugar. Now here is where there's some nuance, right, So, 280 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: and where it becomes particular me as a person with 281 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: RA it's okay for me to eat avocados. I'm gonna 282 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: use avocados because I avocados, by the way, exactly, I 283 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: love avocados. It's a healthy fat. Right. However, one of 284 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: the participants in my film who has lupis nephritis, which 285 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: means the lupis attacks her kidneys and she's on dialysis, right, 286 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: so yeah, there's extreme dialys yeah yeah, and so she 287 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 2: can't have avocados. So she has a very specialized diet 288 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 2: and it also is anti inflammatory. But there's things that 289 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: she can't eat. She can eat, like a halo arnt, 290 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: like the little clementine, but she can't have an actual orange. 291 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: So it's the It's also not only what you eat, 292 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: but the makeup of what you eat, if that makes sense. 293 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: But if you're a meat eater, it definitely means wild court. 294 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: It definitely means more chicken turkey type of thing. Again, 295 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: is that wild court. You don't want the farm raised stuff. 296 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: It is more of the wilder games meats, like I said, 297 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: like elk and things in buffalo and things so that 298 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: things of that nature. 299 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: Well, you know when I talk about you know, I 300 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: try to personalize some of that stuff so people can 301 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: understand that. You know, I'm engaged in the whole process 302 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: because as you get older, you're dying has to change 303 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: because you're trying to you know, you you know, you're 304 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: not in the rush to get to the finish line. 305 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to. I'm trying to push that 306 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: gold post, as I say, move a gold post. Roshall 307 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: wasn't moving those gold posts at twenty. Now I'm pushing 308 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: that gold post as far out the one't even want 309 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: to see it tomorrow now. So when you start getting 310 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: these symptoms, let's talk about your business that you've developed 311 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: and how people get in touch with you because again, 312 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: sometimes we can blow off what really is an auto 313 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: immune issue that you're dealing with, but we don't. You know, 314 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, people google stuff AI stuff because technology is 315 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: really proving to be a bad doctor now because it 316 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: talks back to you. It talks back to you, and 317 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, it used to be just you Google and 318 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: you just read. Now, oh you have this time I 319 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: go home and do that, you know, and that's not 320 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: good because you actually think somebody's talking to you. And 321 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: that's not fair because voices nowadays don't sound like computers 322 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: like they used to. They sound like human beings are 323 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: talking back to you. Now when you're dealing with this 324 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: new technology tomorrow, does that scare you? 325 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't scare me. Let me be fair. I 326 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: don't use it, and you googling symptoms will have you 327 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: thinking you have everything. So let me simplify in saying this. 328 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: If you are experiencing discomfort in your body, whatever that 329 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: means for you, please go see a doctor. It's in 330 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: particular you're dealing with chronic fatigue like I was saying, handsticking, 331 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: or you're dealing with kind of like that irritoboo type 332 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: of thing that may be like crones or colitis or 333 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: you know, are something in that you need to see 334 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: a professional. So for anything dealing with the GI track, 335 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: that's kind of a gastro entrologist, right For a person 336 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: like myself, whether it's ara psoriasis, even lupists right, Really, 337 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: a rheumatologists can diagnose all of this. They do this 338 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: whole panel and they're able to omit what's not happening 339 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: and they're able to identify what actually is happening. So 340 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: I would say, and usually these these are additional referrals 341 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: that you got to get from your primary But equally 342 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: I'll say this is that if your doctor is not 343 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: listening to you about your symptoms, that is not your doctor. 344 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: Change your doctor. So I also want to empower people 345 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: to know that you know, whoever they're being working with, 346 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: that is not the end all to be all. If 347 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: they're not answering your questions, if they're not respecting your person, 348 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: if they're treating you just like a statistic or diagnosis, 349 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: then it's time to start exploring where you can develop 350 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: a treatment team, because you need a treatment team with this, 351 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 2: there's no magic in it. Just like I say, we 352 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: need doctors, you need a mental health professional. You know, 353 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: I I just have to say it. Your friend will 354 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: be well intentioned, your family member well intentioned, but you're 355 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: gonna wind up getting annoyed because they're not equipped. They 356 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: don't have the tools to help you navigate this diagnosis 357 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: and the nuances of it. They just don't It doesn't 358 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: mean that they don't love you, they don't care, they're 359 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: not concerned, they just don't have it. So to avoid 360 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: you getting upset and them getting upset, there's already gonna 361 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: be strains in relationships. So let me also say that. 362 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. I don't want to overtalk, but I 363 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: just want to manage expectations. There's always, there's always with 364 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: chronic illness, you're going to deal with changes and dynamics 365 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: in relationships, both intimate and friendship, and otherwise it is 366 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: no way else that it can happen. And I tell 367 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: you this, you can't fight for your life and fight people. 368 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: So it's just one of the other things that's gonna 369 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: become part of your grief process. Know that grieving is okay, 370 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: it is actually healthy, but have support in that process. Girl, 371 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: I know I said a lot, well you. 372 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: Know you said all the right things. I was kind 373 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: of like going there when I was just talking about 374 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: how they're going to be changes tied to the other. Life, embarrassment, 375 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: not want to acknowledge everything going on. You're in a 376 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: relationship that you're excited about, you want to don't want 377 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: to acknowledge, and sometimes you go, I'm not making an 378 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: excusees why you don't want to be seen that day 379 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: because you don't want that person to see you uncomfortable 380 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: and watching them react to you being uncomfortable. Truth is 381 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: when you've got an auto immune disease. And I'm talking 382 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: to Tomorrow. She's a full named Tomorrow R. Jackson. She's 383 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: a licensed clinical social worker. She's an award winning documentary. 384 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: It's called The Invitation. You can go to Vimeo, type 385 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: in the search line. The Invitation pops right up. You 386 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: can rent it there and it talks about things that 387 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: you've heard about. You know. Our a is what she's 388 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: dealing with. Personal rheumatad arthritis. Have friends, a couple of 389 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: friends who have lupus, And I can tell you this. 390 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm aware of the name. I don't know their symptoms, 391 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: which is not good because guess what I've called them 392 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: My friend, I should know more because they're a crisis. 393 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: I should understand what exactly those symptoms look like so 394 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: I could be there for them. But again, when you 395 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: we all know the number one thing we do is 396 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: avoid information. We don't want to be engaged in information. 397 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to walk into a dark room. What we 398 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: do we turn on the light. So nobody wants to 399 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: walk into a situation where they are confused because there's 400 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: no life switch to turn on. You got to sit 401 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: there and hear that person, and then you have to 402 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: make a decision is this something I want to be 403 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: engaged with on a regular basis. And that's what people 404 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: with autoimmune disease, all fifty million plus of them are 405 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: dealing with, dealing with a mental world of acceptance. And 406 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: so that's my soapbox moment because I feel that when 407 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: I put together this show, but people go, why are 408 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: you talking about this? Well, guess what. There are people 409 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: out there that the number fifty million, That means you know, somebody, 410 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: this is money making conversations. Money making conversations that if 411 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: they suffer, it's going to impact you. They might not 412 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: go to work, they might not buy something, they might 413 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: it might be a key person to engage in your 414 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: life that you don't even know what bottom line is Tomorrow, 415 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: how do we get in touch with you, my. 416 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: Friend Tomorrow Jackson dot com. Okay, everything that you need 417 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: will be there. You will find the documentary. Naturally, you'll 418 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: find more than one, even though this is the one 419 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: on autoimmune disease. You will find a one sheet that 420 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 2: I created part of the Impact campaign on autoimmune disease, 421 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: where you will get tips and the resources when if 422 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: you've been newly diagnosed and you know even how you support, 423 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: if you want to book me and you want to 424 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: book a screening and have me have a talk back 425 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: or conversation or even you know, we have a tasting 426 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: attached to it, right because people always think changing food 427 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: means nasty, and I promise you it's not our tasteless. 428 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: That is how you that is how you can get 429 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: in touch with me. We're gonna just simplify it Tomorrowarjackson 430 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: dot com. 431 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Love it Tomorrow. Thank you for coming on my show. 432 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. 433 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I truly truly 434 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Especially this is so important because it is 435 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: mental Health Awareness Month and also on the twentieth is 436 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: auto inflammatory ausritus Day. So for all of those things 437 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: and more, not that we need especially month or day 438 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: to bring up these lift up these things. Thank you 439 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: so much. 440 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, I guess what, I don't care about the days 441 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: because I'm educating people that the day starts today, the 442 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: day starts to do so the day starts to September. 443 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: And I based the show on education and information and 444 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: you've educated me. I'm telling you. So that means you're 445 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: winning because you because you supplied the right information to 446 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: make sure that guests were shaying. You have a large soapbox, 447 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: your big bullhorn. 448 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: Uh. 449 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: The more people to hear this story could save lives 450 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: and relationships, by the way, because like. 451 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: You said, that's the biggest thing. 452 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. 453 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: My friend, Thank you so much. 454 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass 455 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests 456 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: on the show today, and thank you listening to the 457 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: audience now. 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