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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tillman and this is the NFL Players Sagan

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Speaker 2: Acts Podcast and with me, as always my church's co host,

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Speaker 2: mister Roman Harper.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: What man? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Peanut? Uh?

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Speaker 5: Really excited about the guests that we have today. And

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Speaker 5: then also just this uh, this taj mahall that we're

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Speaker 5: in right now in the middle of Frisco, Texas. Uh,

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Speaker 5: the Star Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys allowing us

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Speaker 5: to be here to interview some of their greatest and

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Speaker 5: finest people around the area. And it's uh, I gotta,

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Speaker 5: I gottamit. I'm very very impressed with what we see today. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: let's get right into it.

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Speaker 2: Our guest right now played nine seasons with the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl. He and his wife Marissa now

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Speaker 2: have a cookie empire called the Cookie Society. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: please welcome to the pod. Mister Jeff Outen, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lean not Tillman, the Chicago legend. Now

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Speaker 3: as a as a kid growing up in Chicago, man,

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Speaker 3: I want to give you flowers. Appreciate what you did

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Speaker 3: for the city. A kid that grew up on the

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Speaker 3: South side. You gave me hope. So appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, I received it.

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Speaker 3: Rum. I watched you too, man, the connection one there

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Speaker 3: where you've had great here in my whole life, So

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Speaker 3: that you know you're awesome guy. Man, You guys are

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Speaker 3: your great. You guys are unbelievable polish at this media things.

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Speaker 3: So appreciate y'all having me.

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Speaker 4: Oh Man, Jeff Man. Appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: I knew you were a big fan of Pein. I

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Speaker 4: mean the moment you met him.

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Speaker 5: That's the first thing you said when you walked in

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Speaker 5: was like, dude, big fami of yours shock Chicago. So

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Speaker 5: shout out to you guys, man, and what you're doing

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Speaker 5: off the field has been amazing. So I want to

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Speaker 5: jump into that. Before we get into all that, though,

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about your newest.

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Speaker 4: Adventure in your life.

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Speaker 5: I heard you have a baby girl on what was

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Speaker 5: the date, February seventeenth. Around that January seventeenth, okay, January seventeen,

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Speaker 5: you post.

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Speaker 3: The picture February Sebruary. We waited a little bit of

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Speaker 3: time before we let everybody know, but amazing child number

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Speaker 3: three we took over the time. I have a ten

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Speaker 3: year old just turned ten yesterday and I have an

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Speaker 3: eight year old son. So two girls, one boy, man three?

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Speaker 3: How is it?

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Speaker 4: How is it being back in the diaper phase?

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Speaker 3: We didn't realize how hard it was. Yeah, we forgot.

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Speaker 1: You did that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was out. Then you go back. It's rough.

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Speaker 3: It's rough. You forget, and then you forget those sleepless nights.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, y'all know, it's

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Speaker 3: all worth it. It's the greatest gift on earth, it

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Speaker 3: is having children, and just to see that. Honestly, it's

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Speaker 3: a different phase in my life. I'm retiring now, so

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Speaker 3: I'm spending more time with the baby, and I'm doing

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Speaker 3: some of those diaper changes. I can't make the excuse

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Speaker 3: that I got I got practice in the morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so so I'm doing that. But it's an unbelievable experience

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Speaker 3: being able to be here and see the child developed

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Speaker 3: at these early stages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you.

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Speaker 3: You got four. I got four four.

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Speaker 1: As a lucky number, so I got to go one

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Speaker 1: more then you got to you know.

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Speaker 5: It's personal, that's personal preference. Me I wasn't trying, you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean, So you know, but me neither.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you.

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Speaker 5: Swing the back, you may you may make contact every

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Speaker 5: now and then, so that's just what it is. But yes,

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Speaker 5: you enjoy yourself. I'm not trying to go back to

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Speaker 5: any kind of diaper phase. All My kids are now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about high school. So you went to

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Speaker 1: was it King?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, College preparatory, King College Prep, King College Prep south Side,

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Speaker 2: east Side, south Side. But what was that experience like

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Speaker 3: It was amazing. I grew up on the East side

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Speaker 3: they had just transitioned from a normal school. Chicago went

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Speaker 3: So King became one of those schools and I ended

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Speaker 3: up going there. You know, playing football started at varsity

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Speaker 3: all four years. Got that tough love for my uncle,

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Speaker 3: He made a lot of mistakes and he wanted to

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Speaker 3: make sure I didn't make those mistakes. And honestly, it

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Speaker 1: Now, who was the big Who was the big rival?

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Speaker 3: I used to play our biggest rival, and I would

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Speaker 3: probably say Crane High School. It was out West. We

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Speaker 3: always had some tough battles against them, basketball and football.

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Speaker 3: Also semeon same thing. Yeah, that's the ones.

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Speaker 5: That's Deck Rose, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And they also

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Speaker 5: the other guy that passed away.

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Speaker 3: There, guy Benji Wilson. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: So Now this is for people like me, college ignorant, whatever,

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Speaker 5: or you can just call it from the South.

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Speaker 4: But a lot of people from the South.

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Speaker 5: We look at the you know, U city guys, Chicago,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of true. I mean that was

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Speaker 3: what was it like, It's kind of it's kind of true.

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm here in Texas and i've been so

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Speaker 3: football football is life here, yes, And in Chicago up

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Speaker 3: And honestly, when I first started, we'd have a weight room,

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Speaker 3: That was just pure athleticism and talent. I had a

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Speaker 3: But early on it it was like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: So the thing that I think, I don't think a

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Speaker 2: If you do it for one school, you got to

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Speaker 2: just too many schools, you know what I'm saying. Like

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Speaker 2: to Kingwood, Like they didn't when it was cold. They

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Speaker 2: that's just kind of what you had to do. What

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Speaker 2: was I got another side question? What was the first

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Speaker 3: First time when I saw the stadium, I'm like, who's

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Speaker 3: the Vision one football And just to see the fandom,

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Speaker 3: It's not something you can really explain. And the energy

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Speaker 5: So you you talked about it earlier about you know,

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Speaker 5: and you know, believing having your uncle to kind of

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Speaker 5: growing up the way that Because you put a tweet

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Speaker 5: It talked about I wasn't a high school all star player,

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Speaker 5: And so you said I wasn't a high school all

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Speaker 5: And So because you maybe just kind of talk about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but that sounds very personal. Man. Ever since

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of it. Now I don't play

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Speaker 3: it anymore. But my first time playing football, I snuck

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Speaker 3: And I remember watching Bears Packers and all I wanted

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Speaker 3: constant work, constant belief, despite the circumstance. Is growing up

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Speaker 3: where I grew up a lot of people don't make

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Speaker 3: it out. It's a tough situation, but I had belief.

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Speaker 3: I had a strong support since with my mother, my uncle,

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Speaker 3: telling Jason Nevanta's story. Shout out to Jason nevant Jason

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Speaker 2: Our coach used to always say, you got to guard

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Speaker 1: That kind of sounds like the was Wally Pip.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is. I guess that my version

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Speaker 5: But back to Andy Reid, what's up with the Hawaiian shirts? Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're comfortable. He's all about He's all

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Speaker 3: every every meeting before again, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: He says cheeseburger and everything. I saw in one of

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Speaker 2: this all right, come on, let's go get some cheese burds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Everything. He loves some cheese burgs. Okay. He loves food,

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Speaker 2: So I would love to know what Andy Reid and

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Speaker 2: At the start of the third quarter, it was thirty

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Speaker 3: I really think about that game a lot. Honestly. That

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Speaker 2: I just remember, I figured, y'all, we're going to lose

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, they're looking out for you.

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Speaker 3: We gave up like seventeen points in like four minutes.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say I want to say, but stuff

437
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,160
Speaker 3: rose downhill, and that's sure what happened. Everything just kept

438
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 3: piling up, and mistake after mistake happened, and you know,

439
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 3: the coach had some good luck there, but ultimately I

440
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,200
Speaker 3: think we gave that game away.

441
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 5: So did Andy Reid call you in twenty eighteen until

442
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 5: you not to retire?

443
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 3: Yes, he did tell me about this. So I had

444
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 3: a back and cussion my last year in Houston, and

445
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 3: I was I was in Pittsburgh. Rehappen, ended up getting

446
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 3: back healthy. But after I got healthy, I was reluctant

447
00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 3: to play again. I was like, I don't want to

448
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: play anymore. I'm done. But I was still was training

449
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 3: my trainer down here, Duke Manning. Whether I still was

450
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 3: working out, that's all I knew was to work out

451
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 3: that way, and he was down in training camp and

452
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: I guess my name came up and he said, Jeff

453
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 3: still working out And I ended up getting a call

454
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 3: from Andy Reid and he convinced me not to retire, And.

455
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 4: How do you convince somebody not to retire?

456
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: Like?

457
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 4: What is that?

458
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 3: The conversation was like, are you truly done? Like? Are

459
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 3: you truly done? If you are truly done, I'm going

460
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 3: to respect that. I just want to know, you know,

461
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 3: from you personally, you know, are you done? And before

462
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 3: I had that call with him, I felt like I

463
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 3: wasn't done, and I had calls from other teams. I

464
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm done. And then when I got

465
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,959
Speaker 3: that call. Leading up to that, I just had this

466
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 3: feeling that I was leaving something on the table. I

467
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 3: really felt like I wanted to go back, and it

468
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: had to be the right situation. Obviously Kansas City, knowing

469
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: Andy Reid and being comfortable Anti Hecked office line coach there,

470
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 3: that would be a good fit for me. It was

471
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: an easy decision. You come back.

472
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: How gratifying was it to win a Super Bowl though?

473
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: With him and Patrick Mahms because you out there. I

474
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 3: didn't get the opportunity to play in that Super Bowl,

475
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 3: but to see you know everything leading up to that

476
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 3: that was that was definitely amazing.

477
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 5: What does it tell you about the organization because on

478
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 5: the big chart, right, the Chiefs have had a whole.

479
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: Bunch of success.

480
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 5: But now all of a sudden, the NFL comes out

481
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 5: with this chart every year where they rank the organizations. Yeah,

482
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. Yeah, for the food, the facility, all this other.

483
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 5: And you would think the Chiefs would be at the top.

484
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but they weren't. But you and your experience

485
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 5: has been great.

486
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I definitely had a great experience, That's what

487
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But some of those grades I could see

488
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 3: like that some of the facilities could be upgraded.

489
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what's your No, there's nobody like this.

490
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 4: But what's your opinion that they made sure they give

491
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 4: you a ring?

492
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 3: Though?

493
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: You said what that you got a ring from the

494
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl?

495
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a great organization. Yeah, I would say,

496
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: from top to bottom, the way they treat people. Yes, straight,

497
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: I think a lot of this first class. I think

498
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people's opinions were based upon aesthetics. Right.

499
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 5: Well, I don't even think that even comes from the

500
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 5: people in the building.

501
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: What that comes from outside? That has for us. That

502
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: doesn't That doesn't matter to me. I don't care what

503
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: the weight room looks like. I don't care what the

504
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: training room looks like. I care about winning, yes, at

505
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 3: the end of the day, and I care about do

506
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: we have a good coaching staff and how they treating

507
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: us like men and we respect And that's all I

508
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: ever got from there.

509
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: I think one of the best things that the organization

510
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: does is if you're an ambassador for the team, Like

511
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: if you're a retired player and they ask you to

512
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 2: become an ambassador and you say yes, and you go

513
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 2: out and you speak on behalf of the team and

514
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: talk about all the good and whatever whatever that they're

515
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: asking you to do, and the team actually goes out

516
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: and they win a super Bowl, you get a ring.

517
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah No, that's no, that's awesome. Because I got released

518
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: week four, head into that sea.

519
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 4: This is the story I wanted to hear.

520
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: So I got released. I got released week four that year,

521
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: and going into that preseason, I thought about retiring again.

522
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: We just we lost the FC title the year before.

523
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm done. I told him. I was like,

524
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm done. I'm done. I'm done for real this time.

525
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: Then I got that same call from Andy. He's like, Jeff,

526
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: you just don't want to training camp. I was like,

527
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: kind of, but Noah, I really was thinking about being done,

528
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: but still the same feeling. I was like, you know what,

529
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: I think this might video. We went the Super Bowl.

530
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: A lot of stuff went on movement wise in the

531
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: old line room that didn't they didn't expect. A lot

532
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: of young guys went on waivers. They ended up picking

533
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: them up getting the week four, we had a guy

534
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: come from come back from suspension. We had a good relationship.

535
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna release it, but we're gonna bring it back.

536
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: But at that time, when I got released, I went

537
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: to Chicago, went talked to some family, messed with some friends,

538
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: and ultimately after those conversations, I felt like I did

539
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 3: everything that I could do and no matter what I

540
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: was it coming back. Got released on a Thursday. On Monday,

541
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: they call like, hey, we need you back. God got

542
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: hurt a Sunday night against it. I think they're playing

543
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: the Coats that Monday. They caused ours time. He thought

544
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: it was gonna be a few weeks later. But at

545
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: the time, I was like, you know what, I'm done,

546
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: It's time for me to be done. I listened to

547
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: my family, my friends, and god, my wife talked to

548
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: my mom about it, and it was ultimately time to

549
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: be done, and I transitioned to selling cookies.

550
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 4: But at the end, you got the call and they

551
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: were like, you're going to get a ring?

552
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got it.

553
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 4: So did you know that you were going to get

554
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: a ring?

555
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew, I knew. I knew I was going

556
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: to get a ring. It was one of those things

557
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 3: where I really have a good relationship with the staff there.

558
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: Brett Veach. Yeah, it was one of those things where

559
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: I felt like it was the right thing to do,

560
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: given the time that I spent there and given away

561
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: that you know, we decided to move on. It wasn't

562
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: like one of those things where it was a burned bridge.

563
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: It just was a decision that was best for me

564
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: at the time. So you were rooting hard, Oh yeah,

565
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 3: I was a big fan. Yeah, yeah, that's all. I

566
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: want to still a big fan.

567
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: All.

568
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: I wanted to see that and just just to see

569
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: all the flact that Andy Ree was getting up until that.

570
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: It's very true like he had to win it. It was

571
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: always he always came up short. So to know the

572
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 3: man and to see everything that he put into it.

573
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: That's all I wanted to see. Like I wanted to

574
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: see the guys win it, but I wanted to see

575
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: Andy Reef for his legacy win it more than anything. Yeah.

576
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: So now let's transition to your second act. Right you retire,

577
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: you and your wife get into the cookie the cookie business.

578
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: I really want to know, like I really want to

579
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: dive into, like how did this even start?

580
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 3: Are you a baker? The baker? So I'll tell you.

581
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: So she's the baker. I'm a big foodie and so

582
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: is my wife. So every off season we travel, our

583
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: tenerary would be based upon where are the places to

584
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: go eat with whatever city or country wherever we are

585
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: that off season, we took a quick trip to New

586
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: York and there was a famous bakery there and I

587
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: thought it was a bakery. I thought it was going

588
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: full spread, croissants, all type of pastries. Waiting in line

589
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: almost an hour, get to the front. They had four

590
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: cookies and one croissant. I asked the associate, I'm like, hey,

591
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: it's all y'all have. She's like, yeah, this is all

592
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: that we sell. And I'm like, this is crazy. I

593
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: waited in line just for cookies. So we went across

594
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: the streets to Central Park. We sat on the bench

595
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: and I ate the cookie and it was out of

596
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: this world amazing. And I turned toward my wife. She

597
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: was a former college soccer player, so she's competitive. Hit

598
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: it with some reverse psychology and said, you can't do

599
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 3: anything like this because I wanted it at home. That's it.

600
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't the start of business. We got back to Houston.

601
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: She started playing around the kitchen trying to recreate their recipe.

602
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: She couldn't figure it out, so she's like, you know what,

603
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a cookie the way I think you

604
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 3: should make it. Made a chocolate chip. Then it went

605
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: on to banana pudding and so forth, and then all

606
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: the flavors started coming. Started taking them in the locker room,

607
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: give them the coaches, players, everybody said the same thing.

608
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 3: These the best cookies you've ever had. And that's how

609
00:26:59,280 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: we got the idea.

610
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: So what year was that was?

611
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: That was in twenty eighteen, So.

612
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: That was in twenty eighteen. So twenty eighteen, you go

613
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: to New York, you eat the cookie, you reverse psychology, Yeah,

614
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: asked the wifey to make you some.

615
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: She's making them.

616
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: The team eats them, they love them. When did you

617
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: When did you know that? Yo, we can turn this

618
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: into a business.

619
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: When someone asked to buy some, When someone asked to

620
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: buy some, one of my teammates shout out to Chris Clark.

621
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: He asked to buy some during the holidays. Yeah, and

622
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: we're like. She was like, I don't sell cookies. That's

623
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: not what I really want to do. I like baking them,

624
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 3: but just give it to him. I was like, I

625
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: grew up an entrepreneur man. Yeah, I grew up hustling.

626
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: I was the one knocking on doors, shoveling snow, raking leaves,

627
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: selling candy in the hall. That was me. So I

628
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 3: was like, now you're going to sell it to him.

629
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: He got the money, he gonna sell it to Yeah.

630
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: So we end up selling the cookies and then after

631
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: that we're like, you know, I was like, I don't

632
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: know how much longer I'm going to play. We talked

633
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: about franchises and things. I was like, how about we

634
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: just build our own thing like that? And we decided

635
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: We sat down at a table around table and we

636
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: threw some things back and forth and we tried to

637
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 3: figure out what it was going to be and we

638
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: came across Cookie Society, looked it up, did some research,

639
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: was able to trade market. The u r L was

640
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: available all the social media tags and we just took

641
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 3: it as a sign. I was like, this is this

642
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: is this is something that that's new. And at the

643
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: time there wasn't a lot of gourmet cookie companies, so

644
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: we felt like we were bringing we were bringing something

645
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: new to the market. But now they're everywhere.

646
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: So how many do you I think you just opened

647
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: up a third one in man Man?

648
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got we have first. So we have Frisco Texas,

649
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: South Lake Texas, Addison Texas, prosper Texas, and now Mansfield, Texas.

650
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: Those are the five we have. Now we're going to

651
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: continue to open more. We're going to focus on the

652
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: DFW for now. Yeah, then eventually outside of the DFW,

653
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: but only in Texas until we become the Cookie of

654
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: Texas that we won't feel comfortable leave in Texas. We

655
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: wanted to be like what a yeah, yeah, you know

656
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: when you think Texas burgers, what do you say, what

657
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: a burger?

658
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Yes, we want to do a cookie now, do y'all

659
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: sew more than four cookies and a croissant, Like, how

660
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: many do you we have?

661
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: We sell ten cookie flavors at a time. We rotate monthly,

662
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: six classics they stay all year, and then we have

663
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: four that rotate monthly. We also sell brownies and other

664
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: treats depending on the season. We're gonna take a short

665
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: break and we'll be right back.

666
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: Your wife has whoever does the social media for a

667
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: Cookie Society does outstanding jobs.

668
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: The music is your wife is nice.

669
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: The way you guys mix everything in you guys, go

670
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 5: check it out Cookie Society.

671
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: She got she got a marketing degree too, right.

672
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: Yes, she has a market She does a great job.

673
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: I was on your Instagram page for like fifteen minutes

674
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 5: the other day, just going through. I saw the browning

675
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: the brownie cookies.

676
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: So did it make you want a cookie?

677
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: I totally wanted cookie, That's what I'm talking Immediately we.

678
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: Got right up there, look at that that up I'm

679
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: telling you so what we got.

680
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: We got banana putting up top left, right, in the

681
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: middle of chocolate chip to the right, we got snickerdoodle

682
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: bottom left, salta Karma to the bottom left yet middle

683
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: frosted o mill. Then we have a strawberry toast. You

684
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 3: treat kind of like, we can't say that though for

685
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: legal reasons, you know, you can say you can say it,

686
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: I can't say it. That's why you said that.

687
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: We already no, I was. I was really thrilled. I

688
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: was hoping you were gonna bring something here for you.

689
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm happy to Uh, this is really cool.

690
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: And so you guys are doing the cookie thing. Yeah,

691
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 5: I've seen a couple of interviews. You and your wife

692
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 5: do it, Marissa, the great job of promoting yourself.

693
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that, like that? Which one was that that's

694
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: the banana pudding.

695
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: That's banana putting one. Yeah, I don't really like banana putting,

696
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: but it's fine. So you and your wife, you guys

697
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 5: are constantly promoting it. You do a great job on

698
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: social media, and so all of a sudden, you guys

699
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: are going along. And what's it like when all of

700
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: a sudden when Oprah's people reach out to your people.

701
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: Because that's that's crazy.

702
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: So for those that don't know, he was on open.

703
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: Yes. So when we did our business plan, one of

704
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: the things that one of our goals was to be

705
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: from a from a I guess the accolade standpoint was

706
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: to be on that list.

707
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: Oh really, that was a goal.

708
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: That was number one, like and number two was like,

709
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: get Beyonce the cookies. My wife is Beyonce f But

710
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: like when we got that, we thought it was a prank.

711
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: We got an email from the not the publisher, the

712
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: editor from Old Magazine, and the email was very short

713
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: and brief.

714
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: Like who had been there? How did you guys get

715
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: secretly scotted? Do you know any of this?

716
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: We still don't know to this day. We get the email, Hey,

717
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: this is such and such from Old Magazine. Can you

718
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: get us in touch with your PR. I'm great, I

719
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: am the PR. So I created another email. PR so

720
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: I created the email, reached back out. We checked it

721
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: out because we thought it was faked first, end up

722
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: finding the ladies LinkedIn and it was legit. From that point,

723
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: I think it reached out in August. We sent cookies

724
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: for months to so many different people before it ever

725
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: touched Oprah in Gil's hands. We finally get to the end.

726
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, can you do this, can you do that?

727
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: Can you do this price point? Can you get special

728
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: packaging for the holidays? And then we finally get to

729
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: the end as Okay, y'all pretty much made it. We

730
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: love everything, but now it's up to you know, Oprah herself,

731
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: and she likes it send it to her, so we

732
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: sent it to her. Which flavors did you guys send her?

733
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: We sent her red velvet banana pudding, which is one

734
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: of her favorites. Turtle, It's turtle, Turtle. It's like a

735
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: like caramel pecans, chocolate chips, and like a brown butter cookie.

736
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: And then we sent her like a hot cocoa cookie.

737
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: They're all Holidays cookies, p com pie. I think we

738
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 3: sent their soup potato pie. We did twelve different flavors

739
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: for the box, which is crazy, like from a production standpoint,

740
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: doing twelve different flavors, it's tough to execute, but we

741
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: ended up doing it. And at the time, I think

742
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: the most cookies we've ever sent in a month was

743
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: like packages was probably like maybe four hundred. We were

744
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: getting at an hour when that list released, like an hour,

745
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: so we had to turn our website off. We had

746
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: to turn off the Amazon store. Oh wow, Like we're

747
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: getting calls from you know, their team like hey, like

748
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: I got to turn that back on. We're like we

749
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: have we had fifteen hundred square feet at the time

750
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: where we're doing this all out of and we have

751
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: people lined up line yeah, line yeah. So it was

752
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: tough to keep up production. We ended up figuring it out.

753
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: We were around o'clock twenty four to seven for basically

754
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: two months, and then we tried to figure out how

755
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: do we increase production, and then we got into manufacturing,

756
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: so we manufacture our own product now and that's how

757
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: we've been able to scale.

758
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: Shout out the Oprah Man, that's dope, and your wife too.

759
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

760
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: No, no, it's a great feeling. It's one of those

761
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: things that's surreal and for me me personally, I I mean,

762
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: we do we did what you did, what you did

763
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: for a living, you too. It was for us. We

764
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: loved what we did, but we never saw or felt

765
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: what others felt. Right, we just were doing our thing

766
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: that we was doing our job. We loved it, but

767
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: we didn't really feel that that proudness that they felt.

768
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 3: Seeing this and seeing it grow and watching my wife

769
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: build something it's been like one of the greatest things

770
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: to witness for me. And being able to be a

771
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: part of it and help her along the way. It

772
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: has been even greater. So shout out to my wife.

773
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: Find you a good woman and your your life will

774
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: be good.

775
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: And I've heard you talk.

776
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 5: If she was naturally how she felt lost at times

777
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: when she was just like she knew she was there

778
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: to support you. Yeah, she wanted to do that, but

779
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 5: it was also like, I mean, I am used to

780
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 5: be in my own as well. And for you guys

781
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: to now have this and she's the lead dog and

782
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: you're being more of the support role, how's that been.

783
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 5: Has it been healthy for you guys? How's it been

784
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: firing those roles as well?

785
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: No, it's definitely been healthy for us, I think. I mean,

786
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: we both are athletes, so we obtained players. And one

787
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: of the things that we always talk about is, you know,

788
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: basically do your job. It sounds like New England, but

789
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: do your job, but knowing your roles. Yeah, like we

790
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: are very sure in what we do. Yeah, I know

791
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: what I do, she knows what she does. We're going

792
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: to defer to each other in our expert fields. If

793
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: it's something that she's leading, I'm gonna say, hey, what

794
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: do you think about this? Or vice versa, and at

795
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'm gonna trust in her

796
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: and she's gonna trust in me, and I think that's

797
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: made our marriage better. Yeah, honestly, because I don't want

798
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: to equate it to business. But when you have the

799
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: structure and everything's in place and you can communicate, you're

800
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: gonna be better partners, both in your relationship personally and

801
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: also business.

802
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: So the transition, you know, from the game to let's

803
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: just say life, some people do well, some people don't. Yeah,

804
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, I went right into working. I tried to

805
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: have something to take my mind off of football. Mister

806
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: Harper over here, he didn't do nothing for a year.

807
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: So everyone's different. Everyone's different. Right, Was having a business

808
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: easier for you during that transition from leaving the game

809
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: to going right into business or the less?

810
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: I would say so, because I mean, even with having that,

811
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: the transition is always gonna be tough. But having another

812
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: challenge and keeping myself busy and being able to recreate

813
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: myself in real time as opposed to being idle and

814
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 3: sitting there and wondering what I'm gonna do or trying

815
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: to figure it out. I just threw myself into the fire. Yeah,

816
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: I made myself really uncomfortable. I wouldn't say this is

817
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 3: something that I expected to do. But anything that I do,

818
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: care what it is, I'm gonna give it my all.

819
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: And it just so happened to be. I mean, it's

820
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: been a huge passion of mine. I've always had this

821
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: bug of being an entrepreneur. Everything you do as an athlete,

822
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: you make it to the level we made it to,

823
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna have the characteristics to be able to be

824
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: a good entrepreneur. You're going to be a good leader,

825
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: even if you didn't have that seat on your chest.

826
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna know how to lead people, put teams together,

827
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: You're gonna know how to you know, work through hard stuff.

828
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: And then that's the entrepreneurship. I heard somebody say it's

829
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: like jumping out a plane with no parachute and building

830
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: another plane before you hit the ground and making people

831
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: buy tickets to that plane.

832
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it sounds pretty uhretty scary for me.

833
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: But that's definitely what entrepreneurship is. It's just a leap

834
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: of faith believing. Obviously, you gotta have structure, you got

835
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: to you gotta have some type of education and research

836
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: to back it, but you're gonna learn a lot on

837
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: the fly.

838
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: So what's been as an entrepreneur or what's been the

839
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: toughest obstacle with the cookie society?

840
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 3: The toughest obstacle, I would say managing expectations. And any

841
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: business that you're going to be in, it doesn't matter

842
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: if it's a product or service, it's a people with business.

843
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: You're dealing with a consumer or you're dealing with your team. Right,

844
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: if you can't manage the expectations of both, you're not

845
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 3: going to go anywhere.

846
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: So what's something that you've had to midstream adjust? You know,

847
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 5: you jumped out the plane, all right, you built the plane?

848
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, how'd you sell the tickets? How did I sell

849
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: the tickets? I would say for us it was building

850
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: a strong brand. And we say it all the time.

851
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: We say we're a big business in a small building.

852
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: We're knowing we're near being a big player in this,

853
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: but we're going to present ourselves like that. But we're

854
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: going to also operate like that. And that's the most

855
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: important part, especially early on. You gotta and this is

856
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: about managing expectations. Like I said, you got to set

857
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: the standard. Those processes have to be in place, and

858
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: that way you're in a place to scale. You don't

859
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: want to get to the fifth floor and realize that

860
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: the foundation isn't built correctly. Yeah, so we want to

861
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: make sure we're doing the right things before we take off.

862
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: And that's what we've been doing for the past two years.

863
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: And now we're scaling. We've opened three stores in the

864
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: last nine months and we're going to continue to grow stores.

865
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: But we had to wait for the right time to

866
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: do it.

867
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So what is Yeah, no, I was going to say,

868
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: so what is next? Like, I know you guys want

869
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: to stay building in Texas. You want to become being

870
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 5: the cookie of Texas.

871
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: It's a big state.

872
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: That it's a big it's a big it's a big state.

873
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: Well, it goes to open at least three to five

874
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: more here in the DFW and different areas to reach

875
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: different demos, and then we're gonna start looking at Houston.

876
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: We're actually going to Houston next week to look Austin,

877
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: San Antonio, all the big cities in Texas. You got

878
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: to get to Austin.

879
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: Then you end up in the stadium over there.

880
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: DKR definitely. Definitely, we're in an American air Line Center.

881
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: We got that this year. Yeah, Congress, and continue to

882
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: get stadiums and things like that, and just diversify what

883
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: we do with cookies, not just in the retail space,

884
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: in the hotel space, all those different things.

885
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got an entrepreneur idea.

886
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: I talked to a guy.

887
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: He's got a store in the airport, and I had

888
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: a simple course and it's like, why is your product

889
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: more expensive in an airport? And he said, because you

890
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: need it. If you need two paste, I'm not going

891
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: to sell it at the grocery store at the grocer

892
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: store price. You need it, So supplying the man, I'm

893
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna jack up the price two three dollars.

894
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: So are y'all in? Are you not in the airports right?

895
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: We're working on that. We're working on that. We actually

896
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 3: we're really close to getting that done.

897
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: So come on, I'm over here you I'm inspired. I'm thinking, Yeah,

898
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't.

899
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: Know if that was an entrepreneur idea or if you

900
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 4: just talked to an entrepreneur.

901
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: Why are you ideas all the time?

902
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: See what like this dude?

903
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: He shoots me down all the time. Every time I

904
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 3: have a good idea.

905
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: It's like that, ain't what that is?

906
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: You just stopped. If it was an idea, you heard.

907
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: Terrible let me ask you.

908
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: Get you some good friends that always encourage you. Man,

909
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: don't don't do this, he shoots me.

910
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: Listen, man, there's studies that say friends that give you

911
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: a hard time love you more than any friends. So

912
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: I think you're a good friend. You think now why

913
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: you take? It? Just got bigger and greater.

914
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: I mean, Jeff said, I've been great as long as

915
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: I know. He know me, dog, So.

916
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the worse all right?

917
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 5: Well, Jeff, we always like to ask this about everybody,

918
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: and Peanut usually does a better job of asking this

919
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 5: question than me. But uh, Mount Rushmore, the greatest and

920
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: brightest that we say is who they are? How about

921
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: on your Mount Rushmore of influence on you to make

922
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: you and help you become who you are?

923
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: Right now? Who would those four people be?

924
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: I would say my mom first and foremost, seeing everything

925
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: that she was able to persevere in the heart that

926
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: she had while going through it and now being a parent,

927
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: like you don't appreciate your parents and tea you become

928
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: one like you appreciate them, but you don't understand. You

929
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: lack the perspective. Right now that I have kids, Now

930
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: that I have kids and I'm raising my children, I

931
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: have every resource in the world, and it's still hard.

932
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: My mom was a single mom, worked two three jobs,

933
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: and she showed up to every practice, every game. I

934
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: didn't want for anything. I wasn't rich by any men,

935
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: but I was rich in love like she showed up

936
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: for me all the time, and knowing what I know

937
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: now looking back at them, how does she do that?

938
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: So she's an amazing woman. Then after that, I would

939
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: say my uncle was the biggest football influence in my life.

940
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: He was the one that you gave me that toughness.

941
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: I think I hung my head on being tough and

942
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: playing football. Like. I wasn't the most athletic guy. I

943
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: wasn't the guy that was on the all look team.

944
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: He used to always say, you got to b m

945
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: W boy. Body made wrong. Yeah, but look, but look,

946
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: I was gonna go out there and I was gonna

947
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: prove otherwise. And I went out there and I did

948
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: everything I was supposed to do. And he played a

949
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: big part in instilling that mentality in me and believing

950
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: in myself. I would say my wife, I would say

951
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: before I met her, I just I was. I wasn't

952
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: as focused as I am now being with her, Seeing

953
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 3: how meticulous she is and how hard she works made

954
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: me work even harder. And then I started the family

955
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: and our children and all that and the legacy of that.

956
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: That's that's beyond anything like, that's beyond me. That's bigger

957
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: than me. So I appreciate her for that. And then

958
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: let me see, I would say, I would say, man,

959
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: there's so many people. I feel like I'm gonna leave

960
00:43:53,800 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: so many people. That's the purpose. That's question. That's a

961
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: very tough one. Man. I would say, I'm gonna go

962
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: back to football, and I'm gonna say my high school

963
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: coach Lonnie Williams, and I could say a bunch of

964
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: other people, but he, he, he. He was the person

965
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: that showed me that love that I needed in the

966
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: time while I was getting that tough love for my uncle.

967
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: Like one I always came over the bouce that reassured

968
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: me during those times where I was like, man, like

969
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: why is he so hard on me? And he would

970
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: be the one to give me the reason why right,

971
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: because my uncle wasn't gonna be the one to tell

972
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: me like, no, like I'm telling you this because I'm

973
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: treating you like this. Because he would come because he

974
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: don't want you to make mistakes he made. Yeah, he

975
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: sees something in you that you don't see him yourself.

976
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: Or are you a lot better than he was at

977
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: this age? You know, I'm just telling you. He wants

978
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: you to rest of Miami. He's all American. Although you're

979
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: not getting the same looks he's gotten, you're probably better

980
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: than him right now. So that gave me a lot

981
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: of confidence. So I appreciate him for that.

982
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: So does uncle like the cookies? Does he give you

983
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: a hard time about the cookies society?

984
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: No, Man, I actually lost my uncle. I don't want

985
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: to make a guy sad. I actually lost him before

986
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: my first well before my first start in Houston. I

987
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: lost him right before the first game. So yeah, so

988
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: that was a tough loss for me. That was one

989
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: of those things where you know, it happened fast. Pancreatic

990
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: cancer stage four. Passed away within two weeks after get diagnosed,

991
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: and I was happy he was able to see me

992
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: make it and that he didn't suffer for too long.

993
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: But it definitely was. It was rough for me and

994
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that people don't see, like

995
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: when you play football, you deal with stuff like that.

996
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: I went into that season cloudy for the first few

997
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: weeks because that was a big loss for me. But

998
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: I still had to pull myself together, be professional, go

999
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: out there and perform. But I was dealing with that

1000
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: on the background.

1001
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 5: Jeff Man, before we get you about of here, first

1002
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 5: and foremost, thanks for that last story. And I want

1003
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 5: to it seems like you had things and points in

1004
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 5: your life almost very similar to my situation where sometimes

1005
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: you're not always just naturally this confident kid that just

1006
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 5: steps out here on the field and just dominates because

1007
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 5: I'm bigger and I got this mentality. But it was

1008
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 5: like little points in your life, little things happen for you, Yeah,

1009
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: that gave you the confidence is.

1010
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 4: Like no, actually I'm gonna be okay.

1011
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it seems like you've done this with this

1012
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: the cookie society. It wasn't always right, but something happened.

1013
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: It was like h Clark wanted to buy the cookies

1014
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Like these little confident moments in

1015
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: your life, could you maybe talk to some of our

1016
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: viewers and listeners that are that are sitting out there

1017
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: and like, you know, how to believe in yourself and

1018
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: when things give you that light or that glimmer of

1019
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 5: confidence what to do and how to handle it.

1020
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: I would I would say one of my biggest attributes

1021
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: and one of the things that I developed over time,

1022
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: is just a grid and toughness in the callus. And

1023
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: that's something that you just develop throughout life. But it's

1024
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: also something that you can lean yourself on. You you

1025
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: can hang your head on it. You and you get

1026
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: used to just doing hard things. It's not that becomes easier.

1027
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: Nothing becomes easier. You just get used to doing it.

1028
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: And there's no point in doing anything if it's not

1029
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: going to be hard like it's just no way around it.

1030
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: I know it sounds cliche, but there's no shortcut to

1031
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: success and you're going to fail right but fall forward.

1032
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: And that mistake is never a mistake. If it happens once,

1033
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: it's a lesson. You got to take it, learn from it,

1034
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: and propel yourself. And for me, I didn't go to

1035
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: business school, right, so for me, my master's degree in

1036
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: business has been in real time and making mistakes for

1037
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: the first time. And when I make those mistakes, they

1038
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: turn into lessons because I don't let it happen again.

1039
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: So believe in yourself, don't be afraid to fail and

1040
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: have this uncompromising belief in yourself because stuff's gonna happen

1041
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: that makes you want to quit, But anybody will tell

1042
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: you that's made in anywhere. To the top of a mountain.

1043
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: The kid of getting there is not quitting.

1044
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you coming on the pot. I'm probably

1045
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: gonna eat the rest of these cookies. I'm gonna caugh

1046
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 2: on them. I'm calling on all these cookies. They're all mine,

1047
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: so you don't have to do that. I saw you

1048
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: brought two boxes, but I'm keeping this one from me

1049
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: and then y'all get sure to other ones.

1050
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: It's been a blessing man.

1051
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 5: Thank you, man, and appreciate you coming in man, young

1052
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 5: man from Chicago coming here, showing peanuts and love.

1053
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: He gave both of our flowers, like that's that's a first.

1054
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: We ain't never both got flowers.

1055
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: It's always one, but you're the first person to give

1056
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: both of us are flowers.

1057
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: I have to man. I appreciate you guys, thank you

1058
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: very much.

1059
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: Appreciate them with the cookies.

1060
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and for all of our viewers out there and listeners, man,

1061
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: make sure you give us a five star rating wherever

1062
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 5: you pick up your podcast at with his iHeartRadio app

1063
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: Apple Podcasts.

1064
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: You heard it exactly where that uh? And uh?

1065
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: What is it? Click?

1066
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: Give us a like, Share, subscribe, subscribe, follow, follow, check

1067
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: us out on our NFL.

1068
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, Peanut We're at. I'm peanut.

1069
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: That's wrong, that's Jeff We out And this is the

1070
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: NFL Player's Second Act podcast