WEBVTT - Horsing Around for Millions 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.720 Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio y 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:09.920 Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnett. Do you know what's ridiculous? I do? Okay, 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.040 we'll hit me with it. It is ridiculous to see 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.439 a tow truck towing a tow truck, or as my 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.120 nephew says, do you know what see dickies a tow 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:27.520 truck to toe truck. See ridiculous. That's all I have. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.720 How's it good? Though? Everything is ridiculous, and the way 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.840 he says it makes it extra ridiculous. I like that, Elizabeth. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.760 I have got a very special story for you today, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.320 and it is ciculous. I like to feel special. Yeah, 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.400 it's two things that I know you love too. Great 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.920 taste that tastes great together. Yeah, horse racing and fraternity brothers. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.599 Oh yeah, top of my list on those. Yeah, it's 0:00:50.640 --> 0:01:13.800 gonna be great. This is a Ridiculous Crime, a podcast 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:20.400 about absurd and outrageous capers. Heis and cons always free 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:26.000 and ridiculous. Okay, Now, as I promised, Elizabeth, I have 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.360 a hell of a story for your two great loves, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.680 the American college fraternity system and horse racing. So let's 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.720 just start at the top. Frat parties you love them? 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.840 How many did you go to in college? Zero? Oh? Wow? 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.800 I did not ever go to one, not even by mistake, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.199 not even like a friend dragged you. Did you try 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:46.920 to avoid them? Were you? Do you have a rule 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.920 against I just had zero interest in attending all. I 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.360 worked at the print shop on campus and used to 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.160 They all had accounts with us, and they'd come in 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.240 and make flyers. You knew about the parties, yeah, and 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.400 like when they were when they were and they were 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.480 hands down every single time, so crazy, rude to me 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.600 and would just just say mean things to me when 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.680 they'd walk in. When they wanted something from you, they 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.560 would come in and be like hey, yeah, they'd be like, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:21.240 you know, like hey you freaquent, your frea waving money 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.080 at you like you Now. I had blue hair that 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.600 seemed to really like tick them off. I don't know. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.760 There was funded by your freakish flag. And some of 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.080 them were so rude to me and like offensive that 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.840 if I saw them walk in, I wouldn't go to 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.800 the counter and all my pals, all the guys. I 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.560 was me and a bunch of guys, a bunch of 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.320 dudes at the print shop yeah, and they were all 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.880 just like like burnout, dude, Yeah, totally, and they've all 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.640 look at each other and then they'd walk up to 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.280 the counter and deal with them and they'd be really 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.079 rude to the guys, Like I can do rude to 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.239 watch this. Yeah. So, I mean, I just but I 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.120 never had any interest in going to those kind of things. Okay, now, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.680 second question, Yes, horse racing. How many days have you 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.200 spent at the horse track? I have only seen one 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.400 horse race. You've been to one? Well, it was at 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:11.200 the County Fair. County Fair, and they you know, I 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.400 was there and I walked up to the like I 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.120 was right at the railing and it's so crazy when 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.120 you feel the hoofs, like the hoofbeat as it goes by. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.919 It's nuts. That's what got me to love horse racing 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.880 is standing at the rail and feeling when they come 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.840 thundering past, the ground shakes the speed. You're like, I 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.160 had no idea how fast they were. And Golden Gate 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.840 Fields in Berkeley or whatever, when you're on the freeway 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.560 driving by, sometimes you can smell it. Oh yeah, Like 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.600 I used to live there on the other side of 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.880 that hill from the track. The smell went up the 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.240 hill and down the other side the other exposure to horses. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.160 I'm right there with you on that. Okay. Well, so 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.640 then you have from some familiarity none with the frat 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.160 brother party, so I'll have to do I know what 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.640 the whole story is it. You've seen like an old 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.680 beer can sitting out in the grass before, and you're like, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.160 I know this well, feel that all right, Now it's 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.200 time to meet our fred bros. Right okay? Or Their 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.119 names are Chris Harn like um Ham, but with an 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.320 RM instead of an M, right, okay, like to do 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.400 harm to someone? No, no, like with an ND no 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.760 no no like and like ninja. Yeah okay. Harn he's 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.440 the brains of this. And then there's Glenn Da Silva. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.200 He's our good time guy. And finally there's Derrick Davis. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.320 He's also a fun Yeah Double d is fun time 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.360 bro too. Now, all three went to Drexel University. You 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.719 know Drexel, Yes, yeah, okay, so it's in Philadelphia. I 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.919 have an honorary PhD from then, you know, it's so 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:43.240 downtown Philly school. Their freshman year was to put this 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.880 in perspective, so Harn into Silva freshman year roommates. The 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.520 two lived in the dorms together, you get to know 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.000 each other. And I was thinking about this one was 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.400 reading their story because I had a freshman roommate, but 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.719 he was a transfer student and he was much older. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.360 He was like twenty eight years old, so we were 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.240 not close, and I didn't always think about that. Poor dude. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:02.640 He would come back to the room and I'd be 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.520 like on his bed getting busy, and They'll be like yeah, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.320 because there'd be like my clothes or would be on 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.440 my bed. I would so like I was, Yeah, I 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.760 was the nightmare roommate for a twenty eight year old man. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.479 I was just like terrible. So I know if he 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.640 was telling the story he would have a nightmare roommate. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.680 He could. But I always think about the boundaries Burnette, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.960 you know, right, I always think about that was terrible. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.320 So the one thing I was thinking about, though, is 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.359 that how many people I know who their freshman roommates 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.160 either still are in their lives or was totally not 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.479 in their lives. Like they had a very strong reaction me, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.880 like we got along and when we shared the room, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.240 except for like when you find me in his bed, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.520 But shy of that. Right, we're cool now for you, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.880 did you have a college roommate that had some impact 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.400 in your life? I did. I had. I lived in 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.600 a sweet so it was like three rooms a bunch 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.960 of you. Then you didn't, okay, you weren't like roommate 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.440 and I didn't really mesh and she was never there, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.880 and so it wasn't like contentious, but it was just 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.680 non existence ships passing. But one of my sweet mates, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.920 actually Laura. She became one of my closest friends in 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.599 the world. To day, there you go, Well, that's what 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.320 Harn and to Silva did, except for they also swirled 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.919 in some crime and some cocaine, so we didn't. We 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.960 did neither. Yes, I know that it's funny to make 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:20.160 a distinction between some you know, sunning ourselves in Chinese food. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.240 Perfect call. So this group and I've told you about 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.040 to Silva is the party boy. Uh and then Chris 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.680 Harn his roommate, so to Silva, he joins a frat 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.680 his sophomore year. He gets his old roommate Chris Harn 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.120 to help him. He's like, you're not help him, but 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.119 to join with him. He's like, oh man, you gotta rush, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.880 I'm Russian Tao Kappa Ebsilon Man the tea. Yeah, you know. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.320 So fatiaks are like, you know, usually one of the 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.400 big frats, right, So these guys are like stoked. But 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.400 this is a tech first school. Drexel at the time 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.760 was billed as the first wireless university in the United States. Right, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.040 So a bunch of these dudes, including the guys, were 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.719 talking about they're like engineering students. I think Chris harn 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.400 he was informations technology students, so he basically computer science. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.480 You love that. So in his and in his future 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.360 co defendant Derrick Davis, he was an engineering soon. So 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.640 though all these guys, right, they're smart cats, except for 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.840 de Silva Sila was more like a party boy. But 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.679 even like these guys are frat boys, they're smart frat boys. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.120 So they think of Chris Harne is like one of 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.200 their guys, even though he is the computer nerdy guy. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:29.320 All right, So these guys they managed to spend six 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.720 years at Drexel. None of them leave the school with 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.320 a degree. They're like super super seniors. Yeah no, but 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.040 they none. They then to make it out. So by 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.520 nineties seven, barn is working at Auto tote. Now I 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.560 didn't know what auto tote was. I doubt you have 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.680 heard of it. No good, guess it's a cow many 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:51.040 that's responsible for process of the US horse racing bets. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.600 So that was not a good It was in the 0:07:54.680 --> 0:08:00.120 sense it involved motions. So I'm trying to be nice, Oh, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.680 we don't waste your time. So off track betting in 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.040 the eighties and nineties switches from It used to be 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.440 that fifteen percent of bets came from off track, and 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.240 then it was we're on track. Now it's switched to 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.280 the bets are off track and fifteen percent of bets 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.400 are placed at the facility. So this was right when 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.960 it was switching over, and so this is what inspired 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.360 Chris Harn to go full outlaw. He's like, I see 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.320 some stuff in this system other people don't see. He 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.520 works his way up to senior programmers, so he's getting 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.440 his eyes on all the technology. He's seeing all the 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.840 gaps and junctions in their system. He knows where the 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.040 weak points are and he's like, I can exploit these. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:34.960 And there's a smart guys who's like, I want to 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.960 exploit these, right, So he calls up his frat rogue 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.200 Glenn Da Silva, who had moved to New York City 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.280 and he was underemployed at the time because you know, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.080 not a college graduate, and he'd been kind of a 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.319 party boy. So at this point he's developed a hell 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.600 of a drug problem. He's now basically a coke head 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.360 in New York and just bouncing around. His life is spiraling. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.320 So when he hears some his old frat brother and 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.920 roommate Chris Harn, who reaches out to him, was like, hey, man, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.520 to Silva, I bet you could like want to be 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.040 get involved in this. I got this thing I want 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.040 to tell you about. And he's like, what are you so? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.599 What is this? It's a great way to make some 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.839 fast and easy money. He's like, fast and easy money, 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.640 I could use some of that. It turns out I 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.720 have a coke problem. So yeah, he brings into Silva 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.080 into someone's like down, he tells them all about scam. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.480 He's like, look, my idea is we can siphon off 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.600 some of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.439 transitting through the off track betting system. He's like, I 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.199 don't understand you're talking about. He's no, I got it 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.640 all worked out nobody would ever notice two Silva in 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.040 a word, curious. He's like, I got some coke to buy. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:34.040 Tell me more. He's curious. So yeah, Harn explains the 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.320 scam and some technological terms I want to get into here, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.960 and it comes down to this, They're gonna use uncashed tickets, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.920 so winning tickets that are in the system that never 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.800 got cashed. He's able to find them. He can then 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.640 print them up on some dummy tickets. Sends the dummy 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.040 tickets to Da Silva. Now he's got straight up cash. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.240 He just has to go to a track or an 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.960 off track betting the machine, which is basically like an 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.360 a t M for gambling addicts. He had to go 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.360 to one of those and go, hey and cash in 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.520 these tickets. They're like casino voutyers now where they it's 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.520 like a receipt and it has a barcode the amount 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.200 of money, so he can go in. Occasionally he would 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.040 go and place the bet and then cash out the rest. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.120 Sometimes he would just cash it out, but either way 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.199 they spend two thousand one doing this well. Basically if 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.920 they started in November two. This is a common thing 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.880 that people place the bet and they never pick it up. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.120 Oh yeah, that that's common, just like the lottery tickets 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.320 or people like they buy a lottery tickets scratching, they 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.520 don't realize they've won, they drop it. People like will 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.360 look for lottery tickets to see. This is often down. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.760 There's yeah, there's billions of dollars spent in gym memberships 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.160 every year that people don't use. The Americans are really 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:41.240 good at spending money and then just forgetting about every year. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.600 So this is just one slus fund of money that 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.360 he was like, hey, I could pull off some of this, right, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.240 so they start doing it. They travel around the tri 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.600 state area in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania cash and tickets. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.960 It was working gang busters, right. They're able to make 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.200 about nine dollars over the course of one year just 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.600 off of uncashed tickets. And nobody would notice this because 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.480 Harn's pulling him out of the system, so they doren't 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.440 really like it's not like how do I best put this? 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.160 There is nobody looking for what he's doing because the 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.120 money has essentially been paid out, So if the company 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.520 doesn't have to pay it out, they're not looking for 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.280 money that they didn't have to pay out, it just 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.320 gets kind of pushed forward. I would just think that 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:21.160 someone's like disaggregating that data to have like a tracking 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.280 unclaimed they would if the system wasn't as old as 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.760 like d m V and I r S computer. Because 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.000 that's the thing he knew, is that the system was 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.079 super old, so it couldn't keep up right. So he 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.120 works out this little nice side hustle for them that's 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.120 about four grand a month each. And as jay Z 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.440 would say, they were making it easy cheese like you know, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.200 I checked chatted like a food inspectum. Right, they're pulling 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.679 in all kinds of money, right, just slice with the 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.200 cheese right now to silver. He's taking his easy windfall 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.680 and he's like, I can turn this into cocaine. He's 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:54.200 buying so much cocaine as like I just imagined, like 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.439 a big block of cheese. And then he's Abra cadaver 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.520 Bobby cadaver and it turns and doing some betting tickets 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.640 at it, and it turns into coaches. So he's buying 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.800 coc Elizabeth liked he says this because and he's like, Okay, now, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.760 as he's blown through this money as fast as he can, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.520 he's like, you know what, we need to go bigger 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.440 because I keep going down to Miami and Vegas in 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.320 l A basically on like a douchebag Grand Tour of America, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.000 and he's blowing his money so fast. He's coming back 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.800 to Hard and being like, hey, what are we gonna 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.280 do that again? Man? That was great, We should do 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.040 that again. Hard's like, ah, man, uh uh, you know, 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.240 like I'm kind of like, I work here. I can't 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.240 be like to, you know, like I have things to protect. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.840 I'm not like you, a loose coke had just run 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.720 around even fast money. So let's be smart about this. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.400 Four grand a month extras. I mean that's that's good 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.680 for a guy. Good. Yeah, I mean that that's just 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.520 extra cream for him. And if if he's a smart fella, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.200 he's banking it, yeah exactly. Well that's so we'll get 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.760 right into this. So they start basically wanting to go bigger, right, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.400 And this is an issue that happens whenever you're doing 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.360 a crime and it works well and people keep doing 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.559 the same crime, they tend to do one of two things, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.160 which is either they get messy, they get sloppy, they 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.679 get lazy, cocky over confident. Whatever it is, they take 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.400 their eye off the ball and they stopped acting like 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.760 what they're doing is illegal. And then we'll ruin their 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.800 life if they get caught. Right, and then the other 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.640 thing that they can do is they can get greedy. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.480 They can go I want to go too big, I 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.000 want to go too fast. I want to grab too 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.760 much that I can't carry. Right, these two excited to 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.679 do both. All right, let's get lazy and greedy. God, 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.520 so Hard is a plan. He's like, we need to 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.160 go for one big score and then I'm out. That's 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.240 always the one big score. Then I'm out, and then 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.560 there's like I've reformed, I'm never doing that's the last time. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.120 And then maybe just this once. So Hard's like, okay, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.200 I got a deal. He calls up to Selbody's like, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.000 it's called a pick six, And so I was like, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.880 I know what to pick six is? Man, And so 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.719 if you don't know what to pick six is the 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.600 way to bet on the races of one day, which 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.760 is you pick in a row all of the horse races. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.959 You pick the winner of all six races, and if 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.040 you do that, there is a huge pot. And this 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.120 can be you know, because of doing off track betting, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.480 you can be betting in New work on a race 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.000 in Chicago, So then you can get like millions of 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.400 dollars one tracks bets and if you're the only one 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.160 or one of the few people to win this, it's 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.040 like hitting it's like hitting a double parlay. Essentially, it's 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.280 a it is a crazy, hard, astronomically possible thing of 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.400 races when every single time, and so if you do that, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.200 you're gonna like become a big fat price. And some 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.680 of the races. Racing went through a hard time in 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.920 the eighties and they started losing money, and so they 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.920 came up with this thing to like, go, how do 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.560 we imitate the lottery? So they kind of come up 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.240 with this mega millions pick six pot. Nobody wins. They 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.800 pushed the pot forward, so these pots get bigger and bigger. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.520 So they're like, you know what, we need to do that. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.360 But Harn's smart, He's like, let's not go for the 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.480 biggest pot, Let's go for the biggest day of the year. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.440 So instead they pick the Breeders Cup, which is the 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.080 biggest race of the year, when all these betters will 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.920 be putty good money if they can pick that pick 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.400 six that'll be multimillion dollar paiday. So that's a lot 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.800 different than unclaimed tickets though, yes, very different. In fact, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.920 people pay attention to this one as opposed to the 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.840 unclaimed tickets. So the you know, as as they days 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.360 get closer to Silva's into it, and Hern's like, we 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.240 just have to work this out. There's a couple of kinks, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.400 and then then he started to realize that maybe to 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.800 Silva is not the best partner to do this, and 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.720 he's like, we needed to bring in somebody else, and 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.480 He's like, huh mean he doesn't like the loose cannons. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.880 Loose cannon cocaine is probably not the best plan. Which 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.800 guy who's like, I'm a homeowner, I've got a job 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.080 i want to get, I'm recently married. You know this 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.920 guy is not my guy. So after a short break, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.400 I'll tell you who he brings in to help seal 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:53.200 this deal. All right, lizab So we're back with the 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.040 frat bros who wanted to try to rig off horse race. Okay, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.040 so Breeders Cup two thousand two, that's going to be 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.920 the scene of our crime. Harn into Silva, that's her 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.240 big score. So far, everything's been smooth sailing, like in 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.560 terms you would understand, it's like sailing on a sea 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:14.120 of velvita, right right. I figured you'd get that one. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.920 So you may be wondering, Saren, how do you rig 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.480 a horse race? Honestly I am wondering that, Elizabeth, look 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.120 at you. Yeah, and normally I'm moving. I'm glad you asked. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.840 You're like, I actually want to know. Okay, well, it 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.480 comes down to another one of your favorite subjects, computer hardware, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.960 antibox steroids. No, remember I told you about the automatic 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.400 off track betting machines that are like a t m 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.040 S for gambling addicts. Yes, okay, those they have a 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.440 little how do we best say, a weakness in the 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.720 link of technology and harness. Figured out that there is 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.120 a timekeeping issue. But these machines, they will not send 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.920 the answers to who has won the first races? When 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.160 there is a pick six, they don't send the answers 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.360 to race one, Race two, Race three, race four. After 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.240 race five is one, then all those races are sent 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.000 in as one big group, and then the machine now knows, okay, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.760 who here is one all of these races. They're the 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.879 only people who could qualify for the picks. It's a 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.240 way to save computer memory and processing because you have 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.280 to go every single race. It's just this very small 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.800 pool of who could win. What that means is is 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.679 there is a window of time where all five winners 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.159 are known, and if somebody could get into the system, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.320 they could switch out a ticket. And Harn realizes this 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.760 and he's like, all I have to do is just 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.160 in that half an hour before the six races run, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.640 switch out the tickets through the system. And as long 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.840 as I've got my dude who's got the ticket in person, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.920 we can make this work. Now, there's a little bit 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.679 more technological details I'll tell you about the autotote system, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.680 but we'll pretty much keep this tech light. Okay, thank you. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.280 So we go to the bets. There is a way 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.199 that they're going to do the pick six. So, as 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.880 I told you, they want all the different races, and 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.440 with the various races, it came down to the fact 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.960 that the various systems that would report they had to 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.639 go through a touch tone phone system, right, so that 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.199 way they can electronically date and everything. But there was 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.160 one track and the cats skills that was an off 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.439 track betting facility that had old non touch tone phones 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.320 harm rotary phones. This is like two two. In New 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:17.960 York there wasn't with a state law that you had 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.440 to have. All the other places there was a state 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.480 law you had to have these rotary phones for horse 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.480 track racing, but for whatever reason, New York did not 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.800 require it. So this place to just not done it. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.320 And Harn was aware of this. So there is there 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.239 is his gap. There is one place that will not 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.160 be able to if he puts his bet through cat skill, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.280 they will definitely not be able to be marked because 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:40.560 there's no touch tone stamp. Okay, So at this point 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.600 in October, they decided to do a dry run. He 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.919 still got his boy to Silva working with him, so 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.160 he's like to Silva go up to the cat skills 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.040 and so he does. He does this off track betting 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.639 facility and they practice. He goes and he buys some 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.440 tickets right, and he's going to place his bets with 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.919 the tickets and then tell the results to Harn, and 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.119 Harn then goes into the autotote system switches the ticket 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.880 that Da Silva bought. So he had the first four 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.520 races already like put in as one horse. He just 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.040 basically picking one horse to win all the first races. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.880 He switches that horse to the ones who did win, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.439 and then now Da Silva has has to pick six 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.359 horses and then he'll automatically win. The pis limited the 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.480 odds down to just pick the last horse race, right, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.560 so they work it out. It wins. He's like, oh nice. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.680 They pick like some easy like harness race something where 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.320 there's not a big pot. Nobody's gonna notice. Two days later, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.040 they do a second trial. This time they pick a 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.159 bigger horse racing facility. They want to try it like 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.439 a real run, right. They do this time, but the 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.600