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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Sabor production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm anti Reason and I'm more in Voguel Bam, and

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Speaker 1: today we have an episode for you about the semi

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Speaker 1: fictional foods of the Hunger Games, yes, which when you suggested, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: I have to admit, I was like, um, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting and a lot perhaps. Yeah yeah I

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Speaker 1: think I Um, I don't like okay, like I like

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Speaker 1: like I felt the same way when I suggested it,

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Speaker 1: Like I like, I my brain was like, oh, what

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Speaker 1: about the Hunger Games? Because I was looking for another,

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Speaker 1: you know, fictional series that we could delve into, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, my eyes alighted on my copy of Mocking

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Speaker 1: j on my bookshelf, and I was like, oh, Hunger Games.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh Hunger Games. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We had a very interesting conversation about what we would

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Speaker 1: possibly talk about and it, as you said, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of academic articles and essays written about it.

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Speaker 1: So so here we are, so here we are. It

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Speaker 1: was also like like like, in preparation for this episode,

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Speaker 1: I went ahead and reread the books, and um, I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell y'all that like these our these are our

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Speaker 1: modern times are just a heck of a time to

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Speaker 1: reread those books. Yeah, I did not reread them. I

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Speaker 1: uh so, I'm very curious because I did. I remember

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Speaker 1: when I first read them. Um, I think I read them.

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Speaker 1: I started reading them right when Catching Fire came out,

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Speaker 1: when the second one came out. Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: right about when I started reading them too. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I had heard about them at dragon Con. I remember

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Speaker 1: this huge deal at dragon Con. In fact, there was

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Speaker 1: like a werewolf card game you could play that was

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Speaker 1: Hunger Games based. I'm sure it was really depressing. I

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Speaker 1: didn't go do it, but I'm sure it was Barry

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Speaker 1: a breathing Oh dear, oh, I love that. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: next game night, we'll see. But I remember I was

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Speaker 1: looking at, you know, different talks and things I could

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Speaker 1: go to, and I kept seeing Hunger Games. So I

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Speaker 1: went out and found them. Uh And I stayed up.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the last times I remember. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was one of the last times I remember staying

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Speaker 1: up late to read a book and to finish a book. Yeah, no, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I I got really hooked on him. Um My, my

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Speaker 1: friends gave them to me and I was like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I was. I really I really enjoyed reading the series.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was an adult when they came out,

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Speaker 1: but that you know, y as for everybody, okay. Um.

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Speaker 1: And and then the movies came out, and it was

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Speaker 1: a very strange experience for me, um going and seeing

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Speaker 1: the audience and I was like, oh, no, yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you have a different you have a different connection

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Speaker 1: to the movies. I do. I do. So I remember

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Speaker 1: reading these and it was early in my acting career,

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Speaker 1: and I was no joke, like the stereotypical. I was

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Speaker 1: like reading them at night. Uh. And I remember thinking, Oh,

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Speaker 1: these in to movies. And this was early on in

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Speaker 1: my acting career. And it was actually right around the

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Speaker 1: so a couple of years later, but yeah, right around

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Speaker 1: that is true. So I went auditioned, and I got

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Speaker 1: which included people like Bim Boll and Matt Frederick H.

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Speaker 1: Tyler playing wrote me a very nice letter about like,

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Speaker 1: you know, good luck you got this. It was very sweet.

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Speaker 1: I did not get it. And as I was telling you,

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Speaker 1: Lauren is one of the times where I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: glorified uh extra role. It's like a in between between

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Speaker 1: I won't go into it. I'm going to be full

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Speaker 1: like again where I'm like, hey, Annie, you want to

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Speaker 1: think about something that depresses you really hard for a while?

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Speaker 1: Always Okay, Actually that's fair. It's you. So you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: through it, Like like the movies like aren't necessarily for me,

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting articles about the difficulty of making those

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Speaker 1: guess that brings us to your question. Yeah, because you know,

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Speaker 1: right now. Indeed, and for you, we asked the question

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games, what are they? Well, um, the Hunger Games,

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Speaker 1: of young adult books by one Susanne Collins. The first

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Speaker 1: book published in two thousand eight, with sequels Catching Fire

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Speaker 1: There are also for films based on the three books,

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Speaker 1: the final one being split into two movies UM, which

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Speaker 1: And I have to say, may of what was even

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Speaker 1: a book like that? That was who stuff? Yeah? Uh

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Speaker 1: so I purchased it and then have not read it yet. Wow,

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Speaker 1: all you're like saving it? Oh no, I know. I

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Speaker 1: the series is about the world of pen M, which

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Speaker 1: at the end of which the capital wins and institutes

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Speaker 1: the titular Hunger Games UM, which is a yearly punishment

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Speaker 1: wherein a boy and a girl called tributes from every

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Speaker 1: an arena with a soul survivor UM and this develops

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Speaker 1: over the decades into a glamorous mccob reality entertainment event UM.

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Speaker 1: So the trilogy opens the The first trilogy opens UH

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Speaker 1: and it follows this teen girl, Catanus Everdeen UM who

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Speaker 1: and like a lot of the tropes that she uses.

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Speaker 1: There has been some criticism of the series for for

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Speaker 1: A Running Man and The Long Walk, But honestly, I

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Speaker 1: the foods that are featured prominently in the books. Um,

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00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: but first we're going to get into a quick break

426
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Speaker 1: you sponsored, Yes, thank you so Uh. The world of

428
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the Hunger Games essentially contains food and drinks that we

429
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: mostly recognize, uh from our own world, because it's like

430
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be our own world just in the future time.

431
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And because part of the genre

432
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: that it's in is like action survival, you do follow

433
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: the characters like through their daily grind and you get

434
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: therefore to see a lot of what they eat. Um.

435
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: And every district has its own biome and socioeconomic structure,

436
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: and so you sometimes get to see what some of

437
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: those subcultures do with that on a very granular level. UM.

438
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: The places that you get to see the most from

439
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: our District twelve, where Catness is from and the capital.

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00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: So District twelve is what we know today as Appalachia. UM.

441
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: So you've got stuff that you would expect. They're like

442
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: goats more for milk than for meat because money, you know,

443
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: m chickens for eggs, herbs and seasonings like basil and

444
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: cammle and mint, pine tips and tree bark, fruit like

445
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: apples and blackberries and strawberries and gray nuts, freshwater fish,

446
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: vegetables like dandelion, greens and tubers, and wild onions, game

447
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: like rabbits, squirrels, wild turkey, duck, and even wild dog. Quote.

448
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: We don't hunt them on purpose, but if you're attacked,

449
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: and do you take out a dog or two well,

450
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: meat is meat. M A lot of this is obtained

451
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: illegally by poaching on capital land outside of the residential

452
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: bounds of the district, um and by trading on the

453
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: black market, even for things like salt. There's also moonshine

454
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: to be had, but all the capital really sends them

455
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: is like oil and grain enough for like rough bread

456
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: and mush. And they're like allowed to have herb gardens

457
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: and chickens and goats and that's kind of it. Yeah. Yeah,

458
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: there are some nicer things, not that any of those

459
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: things are not nice, um, but fancier things I guess

460
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: made legally in town, like cookies and cakes at one

461
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: of the main characters, Peeda Mallark's family bakery, though most

462
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of the residents cannot afford them, including said bakers. So yeah, uh,

463
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: you don't spend a lot of time in the other districts.

464
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: But um, but like District four, which is the seaside district,

465
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: strongly suspect it's the Gulf of Mexico, like like around

466
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: New Orleans. They have a seafood like fish and oysters

467
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: and traditional spicy sauces for them. You you kind of

468
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: get the idea through the books that the District twelve

469
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: is actually lucky in a way because there isn't a

470
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: whole lot of attention on them. And also Appalachia is

471
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: like rich with wild food sources, so with those two

472
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: things combined, they can eat out a pretty comfortable living.

473
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Some of the more industrial districts have it a lot harder, right, Um,

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00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the capital. Sure, yeah, uh

475
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: so yes, Catanets goes from you know, this District twelve

476
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: situation sees the Capital. When she first arrived, she is

477
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: shocked by the bounty and the richness of food. Yeah.

478
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Her her very first Capital served meal like on the

479
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: train there. Uh sounds you know, nice but simple to us,

480
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: but it's just incredible. To her quote, a thick carrot soup,

481
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: green salad, lamb chops and mashed potatoes, cheese and fruit,

482
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: a chocolate cake. I've never had food like this, so

483
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: good and so much m hmm. Yeah yeah, but right. Uh.

484
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: The Capital features things like breakfasts of ham and eggs

485
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: and fried potatoes and chilled fruit, and pancakes and sausages,

486
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: orange juice and coffee and hot chocolate. Lunches of a

487
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: dish of creamy chicken and oranges with green peas and

488
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: pearl onions, or pheasant with jewel colored jellies, or fish

489
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: cakes with a creamy lime paste, snacks of goose liver

490
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: and puffy bread, dinners of mushroom soup or cream and

491
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: rose petal soup, rare roast beef, a ruble of salad,

492
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: flaming cakes, delicate custards, and fine wines, all kinds, all

493
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Yes, and as mentioned, her favorite dish

494
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: is lamb stew um. But she's horrified by this excess.

495
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: One event she attends with Peta features essentially, as we said,

496
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: a vomitorium, there are substances to induce vomiting in a room,

497
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: to do so in so that those who partake too

498
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: much can continue to keep partaking, keep it going. Like

499
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: that is the point. Like they have these little these

500
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: little glasses of yeah, like you eat too much and

501
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: then you go throw it up, and then you eat

502
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: too much again while people are starting in the districts

503
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: um and and this is specifically they find this out

504
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: at a lavish feast in their honor, uh that has

505
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: it has like twenty soups and like whole roasted cows

506
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: on spits waterfalls of wine. Yeah, the whole thing, and yeah,

507
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: yeah it definitely I read another essay that was about

508
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: like how this was sort of a fattening up of

509
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: like pigs for the slaughter, sharing all of them the

510
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff and anyway, Yeah, we see so many instances of

511
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: those in the Capital eating these lavish feasts, unthinking and unconcerned,

512
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: like not even just sort of mindlessly eating while they

513
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: watch these children starve and kill each other for their entertainment. Um.

514
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: In in the books, you find out that there are

515
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: tours of previous game arenas. Uh quote, you can even

516
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: take part in re enactments. They say the food is excellent.

517
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Woof yeah yeah oh the Capital, oh my goodness. Um.

518
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: All of this, though, is um contrasted with this this

519
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: very utilitarian city that turns out to be the seat

520
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: of the rebellion and also kind of turns out to

521
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: be not that great themselves. Um. And this is the

522
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: literally underground District thirteen. They have indoor farms that produce

523
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: enough food for the population, but everything is really precisely, calorically,

524
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: scientifically measured. You know, stuff like breakfasts of hot grain

525
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: and a cup of milk with a scoop of fruit

526
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: or vegetable on the side like match turn ups one day.

527
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: And I do think it's super interesting how neither neither

528
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: of these political bodies, the capital or district, are nice. Um,

529
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: both both of them are ultimately kind of the enemies

530
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: of the people. Um. But you know it, really Collins

531
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: really shows how that the positive opposite of excess is

532
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: not simplicity necessarily. M hmm yeah yeah. Are this like

533
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: absolute control right right? Yes? Yeah. Um. You do also

534
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: get to in the in the prequel book go into

535
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: the past of the capital and you find out there

536
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: that um that during that civil war that led to

537
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the Hunger Games being created, the rebels cut off the

538
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: food supplied to the capital as as a strategy of war,

539
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: which resulted in this starvation situation in the capital. So

540
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: people who were wealth previous to the civil war and

541
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: who wind up being wealthy again by the events of

542
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: the main book series grew up very hungry, up to

543
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: and including, um, the antagonist presidents Now, so you know,

544
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: things that he grew up eating were like like thin

545
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: cabbage soup and lima beans and canned milk. Your rashing

546
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: coupons never really got you quiet enough. And the citizens

547
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: of the Capital also turned to black markets, like they

548
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: think that they're so like they act like they're so

549
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: above black markets in Catness's time, but they also turned

550
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: to that and went even further to cannibalism when they

551
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: got desperate. H m hm. And also you do see

552
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: some of the some of the better food of the

553
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: capital from that time, and its like sort of sweetly

554
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: to me um Collins. Collins wrote it as being very

555
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: like like mid mid nineteenth century, like mid century nine

556
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: hundreds kind of food. Um, like creamed ham on toast,

557
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: meatloft sandwiches, a rose with onions and potatoes, bread pudding,

558
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: apple pie, fried dough, and pink lemonade for a celebration.

559
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Huh yeah, that is interesting. Uh well.

560
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Perhaps one of the most prominent foods in the Hunger

561
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Games is bread. Yes um. After all, PanAm bread is

562
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: a part of the name yes um, right, I write

563
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: PanAm is a Latin word for bread, best known today,

564
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: and this is mentioned in the books from the Latin

565
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: phrase bread and circuses, which is shorthand for how you

566
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: can control a population, like get them to give up

567
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: their power if you just give them basic food and entertainment,

568
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: right and there's a fascinating history behind all of that

569
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: that I had to stop myself from Yes. Uh. And

570
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: then you have Pet's name, Peter's name in itself. That

571
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: is so funny to be because I never I never

572
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: thought about it like Peter bread. I always assumed it

573
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: was like Peter, like a um, like a derivation of Peter. Um.

574
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: But I, but I love, I love. But you saw

575
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: Peter Bread in it? Yeah? Yeah, am I the only one?

576
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: Bread does evolve from a symbol of survival, a symbol

577
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: of rebellion, and a symbol of control with rationing. Yes.

578
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: Throughout these books. Yeah. When Catness, for example, first lays

579
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: eyes on the mocking j pin that becomes her symbol

580
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: throughout the books, she finds this, this ornament like ridiculously impractical. Um.

581
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: She thinks real gold, beautifully crafted. It could keep a

582
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: family in bread for a year. M Yeah, um. Bread

583
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: are variations of bread become a way of sending coded

584
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: messages um and also a a reward. For example, when

585
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Cats kisses Peta for the audience, she's like trying to

586
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: play up and get these sponsors on board with sending

587
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: food and supplies during the games. In the first book, Uh,

588
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: Catness and Peter get a small feast from them, including

589
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: roles in return for this display. Yeah mm hmm, and

590
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: to thank Catness for how she honors competitor Ru in

591
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: the first book, Rus District sends Catness a loaf of

592
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: bread in the shape of a crescent sprinkled with seeds.

593
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Quote what must it have cost the people of District eleven,

594
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: who can't even feed themselves? How many would have had

595
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: to do without to scrape up a coin to put

596
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: in a collection for this one loaf? And yeah, this

597
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: is a big deal, um and a sign of the

598
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: district's coming together early on, because generally before that the

599
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: district's never showed support for someone for a tribute outside

600
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: of their district. Um, So this is a show of

601
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: support for someone outside of their district. And in that

602
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: is it and in that it's quiet defiance and the

603
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: withholding of food or personal rationing later on with Catiness

604
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: and like at large, later becomes also an act of

605
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: rebellion and defiance. And yeah, this whole idea of people

606
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: rising up against their government due to lack of food

607
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: does have a historical basis and as a sustaining staple

608
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: food for many cultures. Bread has been a symbol of

609
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: that more than once. Mm hmm. Early on in the

610
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: first book, Peter tosses a starving Cateness to burnt loves

611
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: of bread that he was instructed to throw away and

612
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: act he was punished for. And she remembers him often

613
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: after that as the boy with the bread and reflects

614
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: he was solid and warm as these bread loaves and

615
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: that this was the quote bread that gave Catness hope. Yeah.

616
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: This was kind of the first time that they really

617
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: met each other when they were kids, and it's sort

618
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: of what drives their relationship for the rest of the series.

619
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Uh. And in an interview about District twelve,

620
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Peter tells the interviewer that toasting bread is a part

621
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: of wedding rituals in District twelve. In the prequel, it

622
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: comes out the district too, has a funerary practice of

623
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: sprinkling crumbs over the deceased. One thing I loved is

624
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: there's so many essays that were like plays on gender roles.

625
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gender yeah. R O l l s because

626
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: the fact that Peter is a baker and Catness is

627
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: a hunter is a bit of a traditional gender roles flip. Yeah.

628
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's definitely the artist of the two

629
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: of them, and she is definitely like the warrior of

630
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: the two of them. Um. And it is a plot

631
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: point that he is a skilled painter um from his

632
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: experience decorating baked goods, which I love. Catness and pet

633
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: to participate in a small act of rebellion when they

634
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: dip pieces of bread into their hot chocolate again early

635
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: on the first book, which is not proper to those

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Speaker 1: that live in the Capitol, and in one moment, a

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Speaker 1: wafer with Catness is symbol on It is a way

638
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Speaker 1: to communicate with others, to let them know whose side

639
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Speaker 1: you're on, like a like special coin or something. A

640
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: member of Catnesss prep team, Octavia one time sneaks her

641
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Speaker 1: a role as a gesture of solidarity in the Capital,

642
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: So she's kind of telling Catiness like, I'm on your side. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then Octavia is later in District thirteen severely beaten

644
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Speaker 1: for trying to steal extra helpings of bread, and Catiness

645
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Speaker 1: goes on to say after the incident pushes her to

646
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Speaker 1: rebel against coin of of President m H that Catiness

647
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Speaker 1: is doing it for anyone who has been treated like

648
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: that for taking a slice of bread. Yeah, there's so

649
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: much like capital symbolism, like like some of it I

650
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: was like, oh dear like um, like Ru's death comes

651
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: in the form of a spear to the stomach. Yeah,

652
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. The other capital s symbolism

653
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: thing is um is berries. Yes. Berries pop up throughout

654
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Speaker 1: the books, often as a symbol of sacrifice. The first

655
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Speaker 1: book opens with Catness and Gail sharing bread and berries.

656
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Speaker 1: For instance. Yeah, they're like safe meeting place out in

657
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: the wild. They're like happy place together is right behind

658
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: this thicket of BlackBerry bushes. Um. Also, the bread that

659
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: they eat in that scene is bread that Gail got

660
00:45:49,080 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: from PETA's family bakery. Capitalists yep uh. Catness uses berries

661
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: to hide the taste of a sleeping concoction she gives

662
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Speaker 1: to Peter when he's injured in the first Games. Um.

663
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: They also symbolize catnesses knowledge of the land, something she

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Speaker 1: had to learn after her father's death. And then in

665
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: the climactic end of the first book, Peter and Catness

666
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: are the last two participants in the Games. Unwilling to

667
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Speaker 1: kill each other, they prepare to each eat poisonous berries

668
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: that will kill them, meaning there will be no winner.

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Speaker 1: The powers that be panic and stop them before they can,

670
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: declaring them to both be the winners. The berries represent

671
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: a choice for them in a way for them to

672
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: exert control over their own lives. Yeah. Um. Later later

673
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: in the series, the same berries, which are called Nightlock,

674
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: are made into suicide pills for the rebels in case

675
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Speaker 1: they're captured. So yeah, just a reminder why a young

676
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: adult books, right? Oh man? Yeah, they're they're very intense. Um.

677
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: But that that's that's a that's that's most of what

678
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: we have to say about the Hunger Games. I kind

679
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: of wanted to end on a nice quote, like sort

680
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: of like like one of the things that as always

681
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: reading the books made me made like really cemented their

682
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: connection to food in my mind. Yeah, okay, So this

683
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: is from Mocking j and pardon, pardon me if you

684
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: hear any like book noises in the background. I'm reading

685
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: this out of again, a physical book on paper, right, weird,

686
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: I know. Um. And this is a moment from from

687
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Speaker 1: District thirteen. Um uh, Catiness Cateness is narrating. She says,

688
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Speaker 1: I'm starving and the stew is so delicious. Beef potatoes

689
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: turnips and onions in a thick gravy that I have

690
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: to force myself to slow down. All around the dining hall,

691
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: you can feel the rejuvenating of act that a good

692
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: meal can bring on the way it can make people kinder, funnier,

693
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: more optimistic, and remind them it's not a mistake to

694
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: go on living. It's better than any medicine. So I

695
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: try to make it last and join in the conversation.

696
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh goodness, I'm not gonna lie listeners. There

697
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: are several times where I was like, one, oh yes,

698
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: this is a food food podcast. Throughoutfum too, I just

699
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: kept thinking of the poor souls who have never interacted

700
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: with this franchise. And you must be very confused at

701
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: some of the elements, but you know, hopefully you picked

702
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: up generally what we were putting down. Hopefully hopefully. We

703
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: always we always try um to to make get interesting,

704
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: even for humans who are unfamiliar. Um and ah goodness,

705
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Speaker 1: I I will. I. I also do want to say

706
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: that I, like part of me is so mad that

707
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Speaker 1: these didn't come out until I was an adult, because

708
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I would have been nut bar for these books as

709
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: a kid like this. What would have been so up,

710
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: Young Laurens Ali like it's it's action and adventure and

711
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: like the protagonist lady like isn't that into kissing. She

712
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: thinks it's weird, and like it's a whole series about eating,

713
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: and like you follow these characters moment to moment, but

714
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: nobody ever poops, ever poops. They don't discuss it. Young

715
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Lauren would have flipped, I love that's one of your

716
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: like like disgusting murders. Love it that children killing each other. Yeah,

717
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: they're quick and easy. Reason Like I remember, like I said,

718
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: I was up all night reading them, so uh, I hesitated.

719
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to say I recommend them. I do,

720
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: but they are mentally taxing. They are, They're intense, They're right, yeah,

721
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: and like that we're living in a dystopia right now.

722
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: It's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, tread

723
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Speaker 1: with caution, caution, let us know what you think. Yes, yes,

724
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Speaker 1: please do well. I guess we should close the book

725
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: on this pH now. Yeah. Yeah, but speaking of letting

726
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: us know what you think, we do have some listener

727
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Speaker 1: mail for you. We do, but we have one more

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Speaker 1: quick break for workroomer sponsor and we're back. Thank you, sponsored, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with listen. Man. I can't

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Speaker 1: remember how the mocking Jake um that that would have been.

731
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I started to do because

732
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: he started on a high note and I was like,

733
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: oh are we going there? Um, it would have been

734
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Speaker 1: a listener male, I just did it really a tonally

735
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like that. I'm glad we've cleared it up. Yeah,

736
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Speaker 1: I can hear it my head, but it's one of

737
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: those things where it's like so foggy, it wasn't happening,

738
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: even though I can remember it. The brain to malfunction.

739
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Speaker 1: It didn't. That's fair happen, that's fair. I have a

740
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: hard time whistling it like I've tried to, because that's

741
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: what I've been up to for the past week. Um.

742
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I also have like that one song in my head,

743
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: the Hanging Tree really hard. I've been torturing my roommates

744
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: with a your Welcome roommates. I'm sure they love it.

745
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure positive well A Sheldon wrote, it seems these

746
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: days that more and more of your topics are something

747
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: I know nothing about. Maybe it's me probably is, or

748
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: maybe not. In any case, today I made a batch

749
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: of coon because one of my granddaughters loves them. It

750
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: while making them, I thought that they would make an

751
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: interesting obscure topic too much of the world. As far

752
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: as I know, there's no English word for it, because

753
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty much unknown outside of Quebec and its environs.

754
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: What is it? I call it poor man's patte, cooked

755
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: down pork, pork, fat, onions, garlic and some spices. It's

756
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: usually spread on toast for breakfast, although my granddaughter likes

757
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: it on bread to bring to school for her lunch.

758
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: And just in case you would ever want to do

759
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: one on Creton, you have to know how to pronounce it, okay. Uh.

760
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: The crew is pronounced just like the crew in the

761
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: word crust. This is so fun silent, and the all

762
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: is pronounced like the all and the word only but

763
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: barely pronouncing the letter in as I know you love

764
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: Lauren with French. Yeah. Oh, man, I hope I got

765
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: it somewhat close. Uh. I. In fact, yes, I've never

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00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: ever heard of this. It sounds great. I mean, it

767
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: sounds delicious. Mm hmmm um. I would love to talk

768
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Speaker 1: about it and perhaps make some Oh I really want

769
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Speaker 1: to go to come back okay, me too. All right, well,

770
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for making me hungry for something

771
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: I've never had. It's one of my favorite things to

772
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: be actually, Randall wrote, my girlfriend made a lamb cake

773
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: and I really wanted her to use green icing because

774
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: the thing looked like baby Yoda or perhaps a demon,

775
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you can decide. She used a pound cake batter. Um.

776
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: And then there's a tuna ring made from Pillsbury crescent rolls.

777
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: Pop the can um. It is a simple and fun

778
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: dish to make and serve. If you don't know um,

779
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: you just pinwheel out the crescent roll triangles onto a

780
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: baking sheet, Spoon on your favorite tuna salad, top with cheese,

781
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: and fold over the points. Put it in a three

782
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: oven for fifteen minutes or until the rolls are golden

783
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: good to check. Uh. The recipe says serves four, but

784
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: two is more like it. And I have a red

785
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: currant bush in my backyard. They have seeds. By the way,

786
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: I can usually fend off the birds long enough to

787
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: harvest four cups for currant pie. I keep the seeds

788
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: in because they're small and don't bother me. I use

789
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: a flaky pie dough, which usually tails swearing and perhaps

790
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: throwing stuff in frustration as I'm rolling it out. Not

791
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: my favorite activity. Yeah, yeah, pie crust can be a

792
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: whole thing. I y'all. I only ever buy store like

793
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: like pre made pie crusts. It's not worth it to me.

794
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: I have a simple ish recipe, but it makes you

795
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: miserable even so, um, just because it's so cold. You

796
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: like freeze the butter and then you use you grade

797
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: it to make the pieces, but it gets so cold,

798
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: So I I understand, and I often buy pre made

799
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: by crust easy. Yeah, refrigerated or frozen. It's it's fine.

800
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: It is just it is like not it's not quite

801
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: as good as homemade pie crust, but it's close enough. Yeah,

802
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: without the misery that's sometimes involved. I do love we

803
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: got some two recipes in a row in these episodes. Yeah,

804
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: I have a friend that loves this, the the pin

805
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: wheel crescent roll type recipes, and I totally forgotten about it.

806
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought this back to my I

807
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: don't think I've had one of these before, but now

808
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, that sounds delicious. They're so good. And then also, yeah,

809
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: I love a lamb cake that could be a demon

810
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: or baby Yoda. That's fantastic, you know they do. They

811
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Speaker 1: really do have the ears like, yeah, I can see it,

812
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: I can see it. Uh wow. Thanks so much to

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Speaker 1: both of those listeners writing in. If you would like

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Speaker 1: to write you us, you can our emails hello at

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Speaker 1: saber pod dot com, but we are also on social media.

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