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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B.

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Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week we talked about

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Speaker 1: rabies because Wow, I needed to know more than I

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Speaker 1: knew about whether everybody got their rabies profyle axes after

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Speaker 1: being bitten by the Capitol Hill fox. Right. Um, something

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Speaker 1: I learned, Like to me, it is obvious knowledge that

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Speaker 1: rabies is deadly, and that if you are bitten by

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Speaker 1: a wild animal, particularly if you're bitten by a wild

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Speaker 1: animal that seems to be behaving strangely, or if you're

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Speaker 1: bitten by a bat, but other situations too, like you

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Speaker 1: need to go to a doctor, you're probably gonna need

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Speaker 1: to get rabies profyl access. Like this is not a

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Speaker 1: thing that has any level of question or doubt or uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, some of the people who died of

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Speaker 1: rabies in the United States just didn't know that being

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Speaker 1: bitten by a bat needed medical attention. Um. Bad bites

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Speaker 1: can also be really small and hard to detect, so

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Speaker 1: that is a factor too. But like in those particular cases,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like the people knew they had been

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Speaker 1: bitten but just didn't think anything of it. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then there was one person among those five who did

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Speaker 1: receive rabies profylaxis but had like an underlying immune system disorder.

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Speaker 1: That meant that it was one of the rare cases

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Speaker 1: where that prophylaxis does not work. I decided maybe the

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Speaker 1: reason I know this so intrinsically is because I was

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Speaker 1: raised in the country by an anxious person. Uh. That

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Speaker 1: taught me a whole lot about not touching bats, and

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Speaker 1: not petting straight dogs, and not trying to pet wild animals,

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Speaker 1: not just because of rabies. There are many good reasons

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Speaker 1: not to try to pet wild animals. Right. We had

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Speaker 1: a farm when I was young, and so I kind

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Speaker 1: of got the like, if you see a dog or

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Speaker 1: other animal that seems to be wandering around or is

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Speaker 1: aggressive towards any of the animals you know as ours,

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Speaker 1: please tell us immediately. Like I kind of got it

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Speaker 1: that way well. And also um, through through the popular culture,

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Speaker 1: such as Disney's Old Yeller. See I UM when you

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Speaker 1: said the popular culture, I actually got excited because, uh,

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Speaker 1: my two favorite animation shows, Home Movies, which is defunct

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Speaker 1: and Bob's Burgers have covered rabies and Home Movies has

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Speaker 1: a fabulous rap about Louis Pasteurs. So this episode was

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Speaker 1: like me holding back the whole time. Oh yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: I thought about talking more about the rabies than popular culture,

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Speaker 1: but there, I mean, there is just so much of it.

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Speaker 1: It would honestly be a whole other thing, because like yeller, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's that the sea and to Kill a mocking Bird.

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Speaker 1: There's the entirety of coujo. Like, yeah, it just goes

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Speaker 1: on and on and on and on. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my my immediate references are a little lighter, right, because

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Speaker 1: Linda Belcher watches the raccoons in the alley behind the

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Speaker 1: burger joint and has names for them like little King

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Speaker 1: trash Mouth and El Diablo and um. At one point,

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Speaker 1: one of them is in the house. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They're harboring a fugitive for reasons that I won't go into,

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Speaker 1: but um, and they're trying to make sure the kids

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Speaker 1: getting rabies. Um. And it makes me laugh every time

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Speaker 1: because John Roberts is a genius. Yeah, I've never read

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Speaker 1: or watched Kujo, but like, I still know that it's

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Speaker 1: about a big rabbit dog, big rabbit dog. Like it's

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Speaker 1: clearly it's right there altogether. Um, you were going to

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Speaker 1: have been throwing my uh east mother under the bus

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Speaker 1: But my mom would shriek, Like the shriek was more

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Speaker 1: Well that's why, right A lot of bat rescue groups

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Speaker 1: percentage of them have endemic rabies and like so just

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Speaker 1: tell a slightly horrifying story, okay, which is relayed to

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Speaker 1: me by a former veterinarian that I used to have,

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Speaker 1: but thank goodness, that veterinarian is amazing. Um. And basically

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Speaker 1: My bed is like I think it's probably rabbit, and

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Speaker 1: we're not you know, like we can call somebody and

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Speaker 1: the raccoon had ridden in its lap to the thing.

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Speaker 1: And so my vet was like, I'm gonna call doctors nearby, Like,

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Speaker 1: Same thing with snake bite. Uh, snake bite treatment and

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Speaker 1: I hate all that. Oh yes, I was just gonna

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Speaker 1: say that is a whole Pandora's bow thing. Um. But

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people that get rabies pro flaxis

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Speaker 1: to the episode like that's the most the most reliable

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Speaker 1: I am pretty sure that it is the most effective

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Speaker 1: I would like it if we eradicated rabies, especially eradicated

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Speaker 1: like criminal justice and criminal justice reform. So there are

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of stuff there, like a lot

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of stuff that's sort of about

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Speaker 1: thinking about what incarceration means and what it has meant.

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Speaker 1: And so after going there, I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: Let's let's go to a place that was folk entirely

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Speaker 1: on dehumanizing people and enjoy a giblet, have some drinks

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