1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: The volume. Hiver Buddy, Welcome in to our Sunday Night 2 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: YouTube or Monday morning podcast, whichever you prefer or saw 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: first three things to talk about. Number One, it got 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: me to a television set. I do not watch as 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: much women's basketball as I do the NBA or men's basketball, 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: but the Caitlin Clark story at Iowa got me to 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: a TV set. You know, kind of a Steph Curry phenomenon. 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: In terms of shooting from a distance. Few do setting records, 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: but I had predicted on social media that LSU would 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: win Iowa. Was a cool story. LSU was a deeper, 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: better team, and I also felt much like TCU when 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: they got blown out by Georgia. Remember they expanded so 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: much energy against Michigan and the upset, and then they 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: fell emotionally and physically flat against Georgia. A week later 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: that Iowa came out and it was such a big 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: emotional win over number one South Carolina. They were bound 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to be flat and they were plus. LSU was deeper, longer, better, 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: So you know, listen, there's a lot being made of 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: some of the taunting at the end of the game. 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: I've come to terms with over the course of two 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: hours three hours of physical competition. Stuff happens. Coaches say 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: things to reffs that they probably regret, players make moves, 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: talk trash. Maybe they do, maybe they don't regret. But 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: the right team won. LSU was a deeper, better team, 25 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: and Caitlin Clark was just a really great player, great story. 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: But I felt like it was a fairly predictable conclusion. 27 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: I also feel like San Diego State, with a last 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: second win in it will be impossible to duplicate that 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: energy so high after beating Florida Atlantic that they're bound 30 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: to be a little flat against Yukon. And like LSU 31 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: and the women's Natty, I think Yukon and the men's 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: Natty will separate about halfway through the first half and 33 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: win the game going away. I just think it's really 34 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: hard to be at TCU football, IOWA women's basketball, of 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: San Diego State College basketball men. When you have these historic, shocking, 36 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: expansive wins, he just can't duplicate it the next time 37 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: out a few days later. So I think the Husky 38 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: is the Yukon Huskies will end up being crown national 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: champions on Monday Night. Something else that we talked about, 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: we talked about it a couple of times. But Tyler 41 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Kepner is a baseball columnist for the New York Times. 42 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: He's very, very good. In fact, his book is A 43 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: History of Baseball in Ten Pitches, which I haven't gotten 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: to yet, but I purchased it about a year ago. 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to get to it. So I follow him 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: a lot and read his stuff, and he already statistically 47 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: notice this. Games are now faster in Major League Baseball 48 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: two hours forty one minutes, that's the average. Steals are up, 49 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: more base runners eighty seven point five percent success rate, 50 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: and more batted balls are turning into hits, all incredibly predictable. 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Now the diehards, the rigid baseball seamheads will say, well, 52 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: the game's not better. Remember TV networks pay the freight. 53 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: They don't care what's better. They care what drives are rating, 54 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: and long does not generally in sports drive a rating. 55 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Succinct short can help. So you could have a baseball game, 56 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: but if it's three hours and nine minutes. In two 57 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: hours and forty minutes, the chances it will be slightly 58 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: higher rated are with the more succinct, shorter game. And 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: so what you're going to see happen this year. Not 60 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: that it will be a major renaissance, but you will 61 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: see an uptick I would imagine in Fox ratings and 62 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: ESPN ratings based on the brevity of the action. Doesn't 63 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: matter what's better, what translates to a better rating, what's 64 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: more compelling, What can people stay watching longer? The pitch 65 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: clock speeds the game up, So it's different in football again, 66 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: it's once a week. It's okay if a sport asks 67 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: you to hang around for three hours and thirty five minutes. 68 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: If it's once a week. Baseball, you got five six 69 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: games a week. You got to speed it up. Can't 70 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: be a three and a half hour schlog. And so 71 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: New York Times Tyler Kepner already the pitch clock, the 72 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: elimination of the defensive shift, are already paying dividends, and 73 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: there's no looking back. Baseball sees it. It's exactly what 74 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: baseball wanted, and it's happening in a week. Here it 75 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: was another story. I probably like the business side of 76 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: sports more than you do, but I like it. And 77 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: one of the cool things about owning this company the 78 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: volume I can talk about what I want to talk about, 79 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of this stuff I don't talk about 80 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: on FS one or Premiere Radio. So the WWE has 81 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: been purchased by a company that had previously purchased the UFC. 82 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Now the WWE and the UFC together will form a 83 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: separate company. And here's why it's interesting to me. I 84 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: know Nick con and Dana White, who run the w 85 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: w E and the UFC respectively. And boxing, because it's 86 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: been so poorly managed forever, has really wilted and mostly vanished. 87 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: There are occasional fights I like, but it's just not 88 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: consistently delivering entertainment. And I said this years ago and 89 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: I covered boxing in Vegas, that the UFC took advantage 90 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: of the scarcity of boxing matches the cost whenever there 91 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: was a good one. So UFC, whether you like it 92 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: or not, just delivers a more consistent product. WWE same 93 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: delivers a more consistent product. And so to combine those 94 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: two for a new business, to me is utterly fascinating. 95 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: And I went to the Rustlemania with my son on 96 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: Saturday night. At so far I knew I could watch 97 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: on YouTube TV highlights of the college basketball games, which 98 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: I did Sunday morning. So the best way to describe 99 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: eighty thousand people at Rustlemania is if you take yourself 100 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: or you take life too seriously, you're probably missing the 101 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: point on Rustlemania. I don't think my son, who's not 102 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: a big sports fan. You know, he likes to ski, 103 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: he likes to water ski, anything in the pool he's 104 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: good with. You know, he's played a little basketball, a 105 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: little soccer, a little football, but not really a team 106 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: sports kid. The environment. I haven't seen him laugh like that. 107 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him smile like that for three straight hours. 108 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you when it's just a spectacle. And 109 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, I watched it as a kid, and then 110 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: he used to lampoon make fun of wrestling fans. But 111 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: then when you have kids, things change. And as a dad, 112 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm always looking for connecting points with my son, who's 113 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: very much into science and tech, two things I'm not 114 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: necessarily into. So I'm always looking for like connecting points. 115 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: And so I told him, I said, we're gonna go 116 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: to this, and I have a feeling you're not going 117 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: to know all the storylines, but you're just gonna boo 118 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and cheer thumbs up, thumbs down, And we got pretty 119 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: good seats and I gotta tell you it was as 120 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: good a night as I've had in a long time. 121 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: And I've said this before. My wife isn't into sport. 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: She loves going to UFC because she likes the spectacle, 123 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: the crowd, the glamour, the cocktails. My favorite sports to 124 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: go to for years and years was boxing, but there's 125 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: just notn't that many fascinating boxers or boxing matches. So 126 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: I just found that story at WWE and UFC being combined. 127 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait. My wife and my son's favorite thing 128 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: to go to and now they've morphed. Can't wait. I 129 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: want to bring in Mike Shashevski, the legend coach k who, 130 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: as you know, has retired in the last year and 131 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: John Shire has taken over that program at Duke. We 132 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: got a lot of things to talk about. He'll talk 133 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: about that Yukon basketball team, which I think is going 134 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: to be the national champion. 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I follow recruiting, so 151 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: Kentucky Duke, Michigan State, ukon or having very vibrant recruiting years. 152 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: So I imagine next year the big brands will be 153 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: back at the top of college basketball, that's my guess. 154 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Or or has the transfer portal created a new phenomena 155 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: where the San Diego States the Florida Atlantics are going 156 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: forward going to have older players elite transfers. How do 157 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: you view this wacky kind of unique March madness this year. Well, 158 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a sign of the times. I think 159 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: there's going to be a mixture and they're going to 160 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: be more more really good teams. I'm not sure how 161 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: many great teams, because to be great, I think you 162 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: have to be together for a little bit more than 163 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: one year. And so over the years we've had good 164 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: recruiting classes and we've been able to try to mesh 165 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: them in one year, and then a lot of them go. Well, 166 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: now when they were talking about one and done, they're 167 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: about eighteen hundred one and done in the transfer portal. 168 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: And so now each year in the last few years, 169 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: so probably be more this year. And so how can 170 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: people build chemistry in one year? And so the people 171 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: who go to the transfer portal a lot, they're gonna 172 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: have to spend time trying to figure out how they 173 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: how they developed culture. I just think like when the 174 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: year started, I said, it's going to be wide open, 175 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't think it would be this while. But 176 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: it's wide open, and I don't I don't think anything's 177 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: going to change next year. You know, Um, replacing a 178 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: legend is hard. I think you did it the right way. 179 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: You gave it a lot of thought right and john 180 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: Shire to me, really works. But have you ever thought, okay, 181 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: because if I'm John Shire, I'm like, okay, I want 182 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: to be respectful to coach k and the culture. But 183 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: what if there's something I really like it really is 184 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: different than Mike, Like, have you ever thought about replacing you? 185 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: Is not the easiest thing in the world. Well, I've 186 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: talked to my wife about it, and that time she 187 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: said that it wouldn't be that hard. But most of 188 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: the time she said it would be hard. You know, 189 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: it's not just picking the right person, but giving the 190 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: amount of time that's needed. John was with me for 191 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: nine years and when he was announced as a head coach, 192 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: we had a runway of about seventeen months before he 193 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: ever coached, so he could recruit two classes on his own. 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: In other words, were with them knowing that I'm not 195 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: going to be the coach, and the develop the relationships 196 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: that were needed. And I think you saw it this year. 197 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: He had great relationships with his team and we had 198 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: an outstanding year. I've always told me, just be you man, 199 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: being you. A lot of what you are will be 200 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: us because we've spent some much time together. But you 201 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: can't fill someone's shoes. Just be comfortable into shoes you're wearing, 202 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: and you know our culture and you develop it the 203 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: way that you think is right. I have all the 204 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: confidence in the world and John, I am a big 205 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: fan of new things, but also regulation, be at Wall 206 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: Street or tech. I am for the transfer portal and NIL. 207 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: But there needs to be guardrails, right for everything. It 208 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's our freeways, our government, Silicon Valley, 209 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: or college sports. It was a little to me wild 210 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: wild West. For the first fifteen months, it was just 211 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: the gold rush. Right. Is there anything you see so 212 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: far if you could make a change and go, like 213 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: on the NIL, let's start with the transfer portal, Because 214 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: the NIL some schools are just not going to partake 215 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: in it. But transfer portals here for everybody. Is there 216 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: anything you would say, hey, let's be very careful of 217 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: this or maybe alter this. Yeah. I think, first of all, 218 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: comment both concepts are really good. There were intended consequences 219 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: that are easy to see. You know, an athlete should 220 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: be allowed to you to benefit from their name, image 221 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: and likeness. An athlete should have the opportunity to move 222 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: and so okay, that sounds really good. Yeah, But if 223 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: if it's a business, you say, okay, these are the 224 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: intended consequences, what would be the unintented In other words, 225 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: put the guardrails up before you let the horses out, 226 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: and once once they're out, Like, I don't see how 227 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: you can control NIL completely. And it's a pre market. Yeah, 228 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: if you have a better NIL than meet, what are 229 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: you going to give it up? Is someone going to 230 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: put a limit? Where do we put a limit on 231 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: anybody in our society and how much they make? And 232 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: so the transfer portal, I think it's been confused a 233 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: little bit with the extra year of COVID, you see, 234 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: I mean that combination nil, you add that to it, 235 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: add that to it, and so you have guys who 236 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, there are three different schools. You know, they're 237 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: in a five year year period. I think the average 238 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: age was a year and a half older this year 239 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: than it's normally been for college and for college teams. 240 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: And the thing that happens too when these kids stay, 241 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: there are less scholarships for the high school kids. And 242 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: so that was not an intended consequence, I think. Yeah. 243 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: I think first of all, we think Congress is going 244 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: to solve all this. We got to be Rooney Tunes here, 245 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: and but they the main thing Congress can do is 246 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: to make it equitable in every state, which it isn't. 247 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Transfer portal is equitably nil, it's not. There's some states 248 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: that don't allow it, and so it's got to be 249 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: equal for everybody. And you know my big thing. I 250 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: wish we could take men's and women's basketball and make 251 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: it its own entity, just like football is, and be autonomous. 252 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Have a certain foundation of rules with the NC double A. 253 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: But let our two sports, our sport, be run like 254 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: a business, have a marketing plan, have be autonomous. Football 255 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: is autonomous. The game of basketball is not. Speaking of 256 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: the game of basketball. I just read where the NBA 257 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: is proposing going forward a positionless all NBA team, which 258 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: and I remember years ago I worked in Portland. This 259 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: is a long time ago. Bob witsit with the GM 260 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: and I remember Bob smart guy saying Colin, you guys 261 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: in the media get too caught up on positions. I 262 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: just want good, good, long, fast, twitchy basketball players. I 263 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: don't care. So Bob was about twenty years ahead of me, 264 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: right unintended consequence, I do like an old school point 265 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: guard who distributes first score second. That's me. I'm probably outdated. 266 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: What do you make of positionless basketball, or does it 267 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: Lebron make everybody think it's easy? Or the truth is, 268 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: positions are pretty good. It's just Lebron's blown it up 269 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: because he can do anything. Well, you know your love 270 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: for the point guard. I'm a point guard, so in 271 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: some essence you have a love for me. But maybe 272 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: it's not that big. But the old fashioned point guard 273 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: just doesn't exist, or it's like an extinct animal right now. 274 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: You know, really, in the late eighties and early nineties, 275 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: we started at Duke what I call positionless. I always 276 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: used to tell my staff and family, Well, this isn't 277 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: a baseball team. There's not a third baseman they go 278 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: to a position. Why the heck do we have guards, 279 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: forwards and centers? You know, just introduce him as as 280 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: players and in other words, like you and I are 281 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: two of the top four players on a team, and 282 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: we are both the two guard. Am I only going 283 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: to play one of us? Or am I going to 284 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: play my four best players? I'm going to play both 285 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: of us, So why put a limit on us? Saying 286 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: that you know we're two guards, we're really good basketball 287 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: players and both of us can shoot. I always like 288 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: saying that because I wasn't I wasn't referred to as 289 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: a good shooter. So that's that analogy. Actually, I feel 290 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: pretty good about it. Well, you were a defender and 291 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: you were tough. You had the many of the Chris 292 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Paul qualities I like, which is that's where I'm I'm 293 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: very much about. I like the new basketball. I think 294 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: it's very very skilled. I covered our vedas a bonus 295 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: who was pre Yokich, almost like a point sound. He 296 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: would have been the greatest player, one of the great 297 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: if he was here young, yeah, young, like in his 298 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: early twenties, he would be one of the top five 299 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: or ten players in the history of the game. Uh yeah, 300 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: no question about it. You got him later in his 301 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: probably mid thirties or yes, yeah, yeah, But he was 302 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: a great player, not a good Oh oh, I mean Mike. 303 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: He would hit a twenty four footer and he would 304 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: make a behind the back pass. I got the heavy 305 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: footed Arvidas Sabonis. Yes, remarkable player and a fun guy 306 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: to cover. So do you remember, because really what you 307 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: you you Nick Saban, it doesn't matter if it's Beheim 308 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Mark few your talent accumulators. So what you're doing is 309 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: you're a and you're finding kids who aren't fully developed 310 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: emotionally physically. It's very difficult a pro football coach. I 311 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: get four years of film through college. I know what 312 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: he can and can't do. You're taking kids. I'm a 313 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: late I'm a I blossom late. I think in my career, 314 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do. Um, how often 315 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: do you see a player and did you know instantly, oh, okay, 316 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: that person will be a pro now at Duke. I 317 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would suggest, oh, it's Duke guys. 318 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: But you've recruited some three star guys in your career 319 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: right follow it. How often did you see a lebron 320 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Ish player and go okay, that's done? Or do players 321 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: develop more slowly than most of us think? Yeah, well 322 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: there are there are a few. I mean you can 323 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: see Scion if Grant Hill was in this time, Yes, 324 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, uh dose players, Uh, Jason Tatum, you know 325 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Bagley one, Dell Carter could have probably stayed another year. 326 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: But now you can see it. But you also you 327 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: also can see like where their bodies In other words, 328 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: do they fit the dimensions of an NBA player? Winspan. 329 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: It's not just height it's wingspan, speed, okay, and then 330 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: are they where are they emotionally? We try to recruit 331 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: kids with good character because they're gonna in order to 332 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: not just to get there, but to stay, they're gonna 333 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: have to have balance. And so we're able to see 334 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: that pretty much with the guards. Like when I saw 335 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: Tias Jones the first time, I said, Wow, this kid's 336 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: like a machine. Now he is an old point guard. 337 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: And when he has his name on that ball, you 338 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: can't when he throws it, you better catch it because 339 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to turn it over. When I saw 340 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: him the first time, I said to have him. I 341 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: didn't know that he would be a pro right away. 342 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: I felt that he would be a pro after a while. 343 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Mike Dunleavy when we recruited him, he saw out of Portland. Yeah, 344 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: and he was six six and a half one seventy five, 345 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: had no hair on his chest, did not shave. Three 346 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: years later he was six to nine and a half 347 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and two thirty. And so there's some guys brandon Ingram. 348 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: When we recruited him, I told his parents they were 349 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: going to the McDonald's game. I said, we're not allowed. 350 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: The first day the pro people will be there. Your 351 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: son will be a top five draft pick. After the 352 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: workout and they said, what do you mean. I said, 353 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: he's got all the dimensions. He's got you. Not only that, 354 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: but he can play any position. He can be a guard. 355 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: And so you can see those those type of things 356 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: and predict them, and some kids you can't. Batty did 357 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: not fit. He wasn't a great athlete, but after a 358 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: while he became. He was intellectually ahead of others. And 359 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: in today's game, the younger players are not They're more athletic, 360 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: but they're not as savvy about the game as the 361 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: players even five years ago. That's something with all the 362 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: workout guys and that they're great, but they teach you 363 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: stuff with the ball. And if we're playing a forty 364 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: minute game in college, if you have the ball three minutes, 365 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: that's a lot. So you better learn the game without 366 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: the ball. You got to learn to get your shot 367 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: before you get the ball. That's not taught to the 368 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: level that it used to be. So I think we're 369 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: getting better athletes, but more undertaught players as far as 370 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: the game goes. I always love when the Patriots played 371 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs because I get a chess match between Belichick's 372 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: brain and Andy Reid's. I love that. I love when 373 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: they play. Was there a coach and maybe it's a 374 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: well known coach, it's a Jim Calhoun, Um, it's a 375 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: Dean Smith. But is there a coach maybe that I 376 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't think of off the top of my head. That 377 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: you love the intellectual chess match that he was just 378 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: move for move. You always knew it was not only 379 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: between Duke and a team, it was between you and 380 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: that coach. Yeah, I think that the frequency of the 381 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: time he competed against Dean Smith, you know, because he 382 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, he was a remarkable coach and he had 383 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: immense loyalty from from his players. You know, he really 384 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: really wanted a great coaches of any sport. My buddy 385 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Jim valvano U the spontaneity of doing anything at any time. 386 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: There was some predictability with some coaches up to a point, 387 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: and then there was the unpredictability of like like Jim 388 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: and uh. But you know, sometimes you play against your 389 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: coach against the team that you say, I don't know 390 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: if I can coach a team better than John Becker 391 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: at Vermont, you know, and who year after year just 392 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: produced his that that high level of team. I thought 393 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: one of my good friends, Fran Dumphy, who got back 394 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: into college coaching when he was the coach at Penn, 395 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: he was on a decade movement of just he got 396 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: it at a high at a high level. But uh, now, 397 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: I think you weren't from coaching against all different types 398 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: of people. But those are a few of the ones 399 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: that made an impact on me. I remember covering I 400 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: was a young sportscaster. I was in Denver. Bobby Hurley 401 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: had about with stomach sickness all yet at that yeah, 402 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: and so I remember you saying it could have been 403 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: to me or a group because I was in Vegas 404 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: as a sportscaster. You and this meant so much to Tark. 405 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much this meant to Tark. 406 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: You said, we play hard at Duke. I've never seen 407 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: any team play that hard between Gurgerich and Tark, and 408 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: I covered Tark. You have no idea. You and Mickey 409 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: were very complimentary of him. It meant so much to him, 410 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: and I was. I look back at your career and 411 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 1: I think that's one of your great moments because that 412 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: team was stocked they so you lost in Denver the 413 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: following year. One of your stars was a true freshman. 414 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: You'd been beaten badly by him the year before. There 415 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: was a psychology there. Go back to the time you 416 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: beat you and lv If. I said to you, through 417 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: or four moments of your career. I remember walking out 418 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: of that game and thinking, I don't think the media 419 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: gets what just happened. I thought it was just an 420 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: incredible moment. You know, I've done I've done a lot 421 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: of speaking, and since I retired, I did a couple 422 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: of commercials. I've done some things and one of the 423 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: statements and one of the commercials has closed the gap. 424 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: And we were able to close the gap from ninety 425 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: to ninety one. Grant Hill helped us close that gap, 426 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: but also the experience. We were pretty good, but then 427 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: we got to be really good. And the ninety one 428 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: semi final Final four game with Vegas, it's one of 429 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: the epic games in the history of our sport. One 430 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: I had Jerry Tarkanian were good friends, and I had 431 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: ultimate respect because anybody who can get his team to 432 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: pay that hard with that especially that level of talent, 433 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: you got to be crazy good. But we were really 434 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: really good, and I thought what helped us in that 435 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: game was that it was a semifinal, not the final. 436 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: They had won forty five in a row, they had 437 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: beaten us psychologically, we have an advantage, you know, we 438 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: do have an advantage, and they had destroyed everybody, and no, 439 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: not beaten, they crushed, crushed everybody. So we got We 440 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: were talking about if we can get them in the 441 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: last few minutes. We've been there before, they haven't been 442 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: there before. And everyone talks about Latner shot against Kentucky 443 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: and which they should. But one of the defining moments 444 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: for me it was Hurley shot with just over two 445 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: minutes to go. I think they had gone up by five. 446 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: A Tark went to his amba defense and before I 447 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: could say anything to call out anything, Hurley comes down 448 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: and he jacks up at three and he hits it. 449 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: So for me, I think in possessions two points, there 450 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: were three two point possessions. His shot knocked it down 451 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: to one two point possession. It was really wanted the 452 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: biggest shots in my you know, for my career that 453 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: a player took and I didn't call it. I didn't 454 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: call it, and then we were fortunate we got their 455 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: guard filed out. Uh you know, and um Greg Anthony 456 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: and uh Waitner hit some free throws and god bless America. 457 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: You know, we won a lot of sad people in 458 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: Sindon City. Believe me, I was a sportscaster there. I 459 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: want to pivot to Yukon San Diego State. So I 460 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: had Duke winning. I felt it would be a hard 461 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: Brackett hard marks to predict. I didn't think there was 462 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: a great team. I thought there were a lot of 463 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: good ones. And then after about three games, I just 464 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: said on the air, Okay, Yukon's gonna win this thing. 465 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: This this They're really good. And Hurley the coach had 466 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: said in January early January, there's a quote he said, 467 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: you better get us now because we're figuring things out 468 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: really quick. So I tend to like them over San 469 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: Diego State. You've had many classic battles with Yukon, the 470 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: toughness of the program, their ability to find talent everywhere. 471 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: You've watched them in this tournament. If watching them from outside, 472 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: what makes them good and why do you think it 473 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: took them a while to figure it out? Well, they 474 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of new pieces and and Danny and 475 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: I are really well, we're really the Hurley family and 476 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: our family and we're bonded together. Uh you know, to me, uh, 477 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: to me what they've been able to do. They have 478 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: great depth. Okay, and by the way, I hate when 479 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: people say there are no blue bloods in the final four. 480 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: You have to be you have to be kidding me. 481 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: With Jim Calhoun built, you know, one of the great 482 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: coaches but also maybe the greatest builder of a program. 483 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, since nineteen ninety nine, they've won four national championship. 484 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: You know, maybe give them a different color, but certainly 485 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: they're at the level of all the teams, use of 486 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: the few teams that you say are blue bloods. And 487 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: uh so, what they have is incredible depth. They stay fresh, 488 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, I've been amazed at their rim protection, their 489 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: their backup center, how good he is, and their bench. 490 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: Their bench comes off feeling like they're starters. And I 491 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: think any coach, if they use eight or nine players 492 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: in a game, if they can teach and get across 493 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: to their players that when you're in you're not replacing anybody, 494 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: You be you and have a starters intellect. I think 495 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: all of them have starters intellects. And and they're not afraid. 496 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: They aren't. They are not afraid, just like they're just 497 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: like their coach. And I want to commend Danny too, 498 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: because I've watched him mature as he's always been a 499 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: good coach. A lot of times he was fighting referees 500 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: more than the other teams, That's right, he admits that. Yeah, 501 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: and he's he's changed that, uh completely, but uh, you know, 502 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: and they could keep it going. Yeah, they know they 503 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of underclassmen. It'll be interesting to see 504 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: what happens with the success maybe a national champion. Well, 505 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: the guys on that team stay, but let's try to 506 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: win a national championship first. Well, what strikes me is 507 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: you say Dan Hurley has changed you did with one 508 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: and done. I think the great coaches in my lifetime 509 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Nick Saban. There's a great New York Times article talking 510 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: about Lane Kiffen, and he and Lane could have battled, 511 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: but he came to an understanding when Lane was on 512 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: his staff, is I can't stop these offenses anymore. Years ago, 513 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: Alabama was known for linebackers. Now they're known for quarterbacks 514 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: and wide receivers. The world changed, and you were very 515 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: good at that where the one and done. I think 516 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: your talk your comment was well, I started getting beat 517 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: by him the one and done. We'll take a view 518 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: to my program. Do you remember the epiphany, Mike, the 519 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: moment you're in a car, you're talking to Mickey that 520 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: you just said, Okay, Mike, get over, Mike, I gotta 521 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: evolve here. All right. Well, I don't know if there 522 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: was one moment, but over a period of time, yeah, 523 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: we stopped. Yeah. Remember in the late nineties, guys could go. 524 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: We recruited Kobe Bryant, Lebron left, Kevin garn and so 525 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: we stopped looking like I just did. About a month ago, 526 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: a conversation with Lebron and he and are very close, 527 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, you didn't recruit me, and 528 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: I said, I knew you were. I wasn't going to 529 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: get you. And he started laughing. He said, you're right, 530 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: And so I had that mentality for a while. And 531 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: then these guys had to go to college, and I 532 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: don't know, over a period of time, I said, why 533 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: aren't we recruiting these guys? But don't these guys are 534 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: are not different than the guys we recruited. In other words, 535 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: they got talent they're pretty good academically and they got 536 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: good character. So really it wasn't it wasn't that we 537 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: recruited a different kid. We recruited kids that might go 538 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: or had had a chance a chance to go, And 539 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: that was a good decision to make. That was a 540 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: really good decision to make. Yeah, Stanford admits with some 541 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: of their best students. If you have an idea, it 542 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: will beat the diploma. You have to leave early. And 543 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: I think that to you, you came with an understanding 544 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: is listen, they're all good kids. Some are just going 545 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: to be able to leave early. Like that's the world 546 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: we live in, right, No, you're and you mentioned you know, 547 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Duke is the same way. And there are young men 548 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: and women here who don't complete their four years because 549 00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: after their sophomore years they're starting a startup company. But 550 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: where the one or kids and other sports, you know, 551 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: in tennis or golf or whatever, there were there were 552 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: kids going early, but because at the spotlight on our program, 553 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: it appeared that only our guys went early. And now 554 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: everybody's a one and done that. I love I love how, 555 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: I love how how that's changed. Finally, um, before I 556 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: get the affleck Um, there's a lot of things you're 557 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: gonna miss. The camaraderie, although you still have that because 558 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: you have an office. But is there anything that you think, 559 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, I don't miss blank. Now there's a list 560 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: of the things I don't. I don't uh, you know, 561 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: the main think that I don't miss his preparation, you know, 562 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: the In other words, everybody wants to win, and from Lester, 563 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: you're an idiot, you know. Do you want to win? Yeah? 564 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: I want to win. Somebody says I want Lewis as 565 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: I'll see you later. I'm want to talk to the 566 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: person wants to win. And but not as many people 567 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: prepare to win. You know, I've coached some amazing anal 568 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: preparers Lebron Kobe Bryant, JJ Reddick, and I was kind 569 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: of that way. And but also preparing means recruiting and 570 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: so much time. It wasn't a change to transfer port 571 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just too much time. I'm seventy six 572 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: year old and you have coached almost fifty years. I 573 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: don't miss any of that. And like people say, boy, 574 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: what the final four? I'm excited for these guys. Yeah, 575 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: I've been there a lot. One lost and now it's 576 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: okay to watch it's I'm. The one thing I do 577 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: miss is the development of a relationship with a young 578 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: man and uh, I still keep that somewhat with John Shire, 579 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, even though I'm not at practices, I'm trying 580 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: to keep away in games so he it's his thing. 581 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: But privately we talk many many times and uh and 582 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: uh I've loved that level of relationship that he and 583 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: I have and uh and I'll always have that. But yeah, 584 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm okay, I'm I'm having I'm busy, I'm happy. 585 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of speaking all over and anyway, 586 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: I've been the luckiest guy in the world coaching at 587 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: West Point Duke in eleven years with the US. You 588 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me, you know, it's been an honor 589 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: to do all those things. Yeah, I think successful people 590 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: have a threat of common threat as they are grateful. Um. Yeah, 591 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: it's hard. Everything's hard. Parenting is hard, coaching's hard. Life 592 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: can be hard. Aging is hard. But you're grateful for it. 593 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: And you can tell I think you'll look great by 594 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: the way this off the zoom cameras often don't make 595 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: people look the greatest. You look healthy. I just walked 596 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: my dog too that I have a new dog, one 597 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: year old lab. His name's Coached. His name I didn't 598 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: name him. And we have a lot of lands, so 599 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: he's I I love taking him out running around. And 600 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: we got him at eight pounds and eight weeks at 601 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: our basketball banquet. He's just over a year old, and 602 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: now he's eighty two pounds. To the very last, you know, 603 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: days of my mother's life. A wonderful lady. Her animals 604 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: give her such incredible joy, and I got that from 605 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: my mom. We've got Buddy and Yosi and fitting in 606 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: the cat, and we have a little bit of land 607 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: in Utah. We got goats and three horses, and there's 608 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: just something about the love. It just keeps you young. 609 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: They made me. Yeah, and like this morning, you know him, 610 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: we have some streams here and that he'll run through streams. 611 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: He's jumping and look I got two artificial niece and hips. 612 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: When he starts doing all that stuff, I said, yeah, 613 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: I wish I could do a little bit, just a 614 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: little bit of that. So finally, um, I love that 615 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: you're doing afflet because I think Stavens really really fun. 616 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: We see these football coaches we see Mike Kachevski is 617 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: very intense, but it's playful. It's fun. I think an 618 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: athlete gets it and talk about it well. I love 619 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: doing it with Don Staley. I think she's one of 620 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: the really great people in our sport. And then I 621 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: love doing it with Afflet because I really believed in 622 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing. I didn't realize there's such a gap 623 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: between you know what insurance pace and then the bill 624 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: and huge amazing. So I got educated. I've been out 625 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: recruiting too long and I didn't know that. So they said, 626 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: you know, we got a goat. We got a duck. 627 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: It's the Afflack duck, and we got the gap goat. 628 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: And I said, all right, let's see how that works. 629 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 1: I said, but one one stipulation. I'm not going to 630 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: talk to any animal. Okay, I'm only going to talk 631 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,399 Speaker 1: to Dawn because I know I'll get it. And the 632 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: expertise that they put together to put you know, for 633 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: these commercials there are one hundred and thirty people there. Yeah, 634 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: like you're doing it over and over again, and and 635 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: I laugh with them. I got some street cred from 636 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: the commercials really, and especially being with Dawn. The Duck 637 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: and the Gap goat Holy mackerel. Yeah, Well about once 638 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: a year, you and I get a chat and I've 639 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: always appreciated um, and you text me from time to time. 640 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: I always appreciate that. I know you're a very busy person. 641 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: I learned things every time and I just Mike, it's 642 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: been a pleasure to cover you in your career and 643 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: I just want to thank you again. Yeah, thanks a lot. 644 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'd become a big Las Vegas guy. 645 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, with US, we practice there for eleven years 646 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: and we go there all the time. And it's ironic, 647 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's ironic that although the first time I 648 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: coached the US team in an exhibition game there, they 649 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: did booming all right, even though I was the US coach. 650 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 1: But I understand it. I didn't I didn't take it personally. 651 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: But Vegas, what they've done with Vegas sports wise, it's incredible. 652 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: The Final Four will be there and in a short time, 653 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully an NBA team will be there in a 654 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: short time. Because to any coach, all right, thanks the volume. 655 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out the Draymond Green Show. 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