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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon and

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're tuning in today. We have a

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Speaker 2: special guest. You've probably heard in the news a lot

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Speaker 2: of talk about Hamtramck, Michigan. Maybe a city that you

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Speaker 2: hadn't heard a lot about before and definitely an interesting name.

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Speaker 2: But you're hearing that because the mayor of ham Trammick

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Speaker 2: has made a decision that the flag post the flag

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Speaker 2: I want to bring him in. Mayor Emir Galob, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining me today. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me absolutely so. This is really I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know you've gotten a lot of flak. This has been

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Speaker 2: in the news. A lot of folks are talking about this,

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Speaker 2: ish but it's really not that, and I would say

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Speaker 2: that this is just you are talking about public buildings

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Speaker 2: in the city and being respectful of everyone, making sure

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's true.

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Speaker 4: So first, thank you for giving me the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: and other issues of ham Trammic and to educate people

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Speaker 4: about Tian Trammic. We had actually a resolution since twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 4: Resolution one that give permission to the Human Relation Commission

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Speaker 4: to put the international flags on the main street to

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Speaker 4: represent the international caricature of the city. So recently there

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Speaker 4: were some attempts to put some groups flags among those

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Speaker 4: international flags, and that's where the problem started. So the

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Speaker 4: to represent everyone equally, because all these groups in this

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Speaker 3: So I need to treat people equally.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is equally important to me, and therefore we task

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Speaker 4: the resolution to confirm the neutrality of the city towards

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Speaker 4: So we just took our decision not to allow any

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Speaker 4: and city and prisoner of War's flag. That's I think

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Speaker 4: it's fair enough for everyone. And that's only in public

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Speaker 2: That's what I think people don't understand. This is city property.

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Speaker 2: These are not people's local businesses. You're not dictating what

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Speaker 4: True, and your private properties, you can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 4: The city actually, you know, if there's any kind of

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Speaker 4: and I denounced any kind of van vandalism against private properties,

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Speaker 4: I expect people to respect the city orders and resolutions

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk a little bit about the city. Because

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Speaker 2: you are a new mayor for hand Tramick, and you

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Speaker 2: are a Muslim mayor in a community that has become

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Speaker 2: It should be where your values are, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 3: True?

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Speaker 4: First, As a Muslim mayor in my city, I serve

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Speaker 4: everybody equally. I don't just serve the Muslims, and I

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Speaker 4: they have different political and ideological views, but I think yes,

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Speaker 4: like you said, Muslims are conservative. They give high value

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Speaker 3: They're three f's.

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Speaker 4: But I will say they put faith and family first,

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Speaker 4: and and some people will sacrifice some of their freedoms

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Speaker 4: I have spoken to so many people they actually there's

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Speaker 4: some minorities. I personally don't classify myself, you know, or

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Speaker 2: You have a nonpartisan election, so you're not in one

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Speaker 2: a really that is really nice because you can just

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Speaker 2: to understand, is that when you make these decisions about

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Speaker 2: I want to push back on the people who are

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Speaker 2: But there was a monologue recently that Jensaki put out

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Speaker 2: So I want to play a little bit of that,

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Speaker 2: and then I want to get your reaction to that.

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Speaker 2: Here it is so lately, I've.

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Speaker 5: Been noticing the re emergence of a very old jew

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Speaker 5: Pee playbook that hearkens back to President Richard Nixon's infamous

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Speaker 5: Southern strategy. During his campaign for president in nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 5: the Republican Party made a concerted effort to reach white

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Speaker 5: and it worked. By pitting one group of Americans against another,

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Speaker 5: the GOP successfully managed to split off Southern whites from

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party. Now decades later, the right wing is

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Speaker 5: reviving that same playbook, this time with Muslim Americans and

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Speaker 2: Hear me out here, The GP.

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Speaker 5: Is trying to recruit Muslim Americans, a community that makes

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Speaker 5: up less than two percent of the US population, against

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Speaker 2: First of all, I would argue that that is not

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Speaker 2: how does it feel for her to come out and

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Speaker 2: of Michigan, Muslim Americans are three hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: that feel to have that comparison.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's logical, but the fact that

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Muslims prioritize their faith and families, and

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Speaker 4: people are worried about their future, of their kids, the

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Speaker 3: See aggressive behaviors.

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Speaker 4: Even in the only Muslim majority city in the United States,

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Speaker 4: there's some aggressive behavior going on now, no respect for

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Speaker 3: So since I take.

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Speaker 4: and it's created by some radical groups in the you know,

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Speaker 4: that shift? They do nothing. They are actually putting more

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Speaker 2: There are has come to protest in the city.

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Speaker 4: Well, two weeks ago there was a protest about fifty people.

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Speaker 4: So I mean there was some sort of support, financial

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Speaker 4: That's unethical, I consider it. So they're no nothing to

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Speaker 4: So how are the I mean, if you close the

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, in the largest budget that

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Speaker 2: that was supposed to to ham Tramick. After this resolution

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Speaker 2: Dana Essel was there and she said that she wasn't

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Speaker 2: there to intimidate. However, if you're there protesting, I mean

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Speaker 2: that seems as though you're there to intimidate a religious group. Really,

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Speaker 2: this is going after a group of people for their faith,

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Speaker 2: which is truly protected in this country. You are your

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Speaker 2: faith is supposed to be something that should not be

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Speaker 2: that the Muslim faith has suffered in the past. I

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Speaker 4: Everybody is trying to enforce their agenda on the other communities.

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Speaker 4: The Board of Education listen to us. I mean here

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Speaker 4: Yes, I actually, you know, I moved from the medical

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Speaker 4: It is so by nay, naturally we are public servants

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Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast, you decided you looked at this

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Speaker 4: So I came to the United States at age seventeen

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of the long inspiring story, but overall

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Speaker 3: Especially in this country, you.

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Speaker 4: That in this country you have no future in politics

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Speaker 4: trust from the first time to run. I mean, my

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Speaker 4: opponents were some kind of strong politicians who had some

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Speaker 4: experience in the government or elsewhere. And I'm just proud

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Speaker 4: of my community and of myself that they chose me

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Speaker 4: over all of those people. And I will not disappoint them.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying my best. I sacrificed so much time because,

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Speaker 4: as you know, this mayor system in hand traffick is

448
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Speaker 4: almost voluntarily position.

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Speaker 2: You know, no, yeah, yeah, well, and I think that

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Speaker 2: let me be kind of bold here because I think

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Speaker 2: your story is very interesting coming over here at seventeen

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Speaker 2: by yourself. This is a story that we hear of

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Speaker 2: folks from Arab American backgrounds or Arab backgrounds coming into

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Speaker 2: the United States, and there has been a narrative of

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Speaker 2: fear around that why are they coming by themselves? Why

456
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Speaker 2: is it a young seventeen year old man? And you

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Speaker 2: came here with intentions to have a great life here

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Speaker 2: and you've done amazing things. So for the people out

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Speaker 2: there who are saying, why why come alone, can you

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Speaker 2: just kind of put those fears to rest and explain

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Speaker 2: why why did you come alone? And what drove you

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Speaker 2: to this love of public service.

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Speaker 4: Well, as you know, everyone dream about coming to America.

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Speaker 4: This is the land of opportunity, where all the doors

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Speaker 4: are wide open, would you know, for you to be

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to be. My father used to be

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Speaker 4: here a long time ago, and then when he decided

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Speaker 4: to stay, you know, to retire and stay home, he

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Speaker 4: sent me as the first and oldest of his sons,

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Speaker 4: to take care of the family and provide replace him, actually,

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Speaker 4: to provide the family with, you know, a source of income.

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Speaker 4: So that was the main goal for me to come

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Speaker 4: and just work. It wasn't to go to school or

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Speaker 4: as a student, but I had I was a good

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Speaker 4: student back home, so it was sad for me not

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Speaker 4: to be able to finish high school back home. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I went back to study. And this is

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Speaker 4: the land of opportunity. You can study and you can

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Speaker 4: go to school. If you do well, you don't need

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Speaker 4: anybody to support you. You can support yourself. It was

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Speaker 4: a difficult journey without family or social support. But I think,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is like you said, it's an inspiring

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Speaker 4: for others that you can do whatever you want in

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Speaker 4: this country. And it shows a lot of strength and

485
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Speaker 4: resilience when you are alone and you know, you don't

486
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Speaker 4: feel don't let your English or your accent or your

487
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Speaker 4: background discourage you from being whoever you want to be

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Speaker 4: into you know, serving the community. What is more American

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Speaker 4: than diving into the local government and serving the people.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the best thing you can do.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's a very challenging thing, but I

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Speaker 4: have the passion to do I'm not I know, I'm

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Speaker 4: under so much attack.

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Speaker 3: There's so much pressure.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things going on on the social

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Speaker 4: media and you know, lawsuits everything. But it's Okay, I

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Speaker 4: have so much confidence that I can do it. We

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Speaker 4: are not doing anything wrong, we are not discriminating, we

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Speaker 4: are not violating any laws. I have the support of

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Speaker 4: the community, and I will run again, and I will

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Speaker 4: win this election the next election.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 2: There's something to be said for young people having to

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Speaker 2: take a challenge like that, and I think oftentimes American

505
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: youth today have never had that experience where they've really

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Speaker 2: had to go out on their own and struggle. And

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Speaker 2: you are the true American dream. So coming here at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: becoming mayor taking a city from debt to influx it

509
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Speaker 2: and surplus, it's a really incredible story, and I'm just

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Speaker 2: so happy that you came and shared that. I know

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Speaker 2: that this story about the flags and all of that

512
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Speaker 2: has kind of blown up, but I wanted to share

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Speaker 2: the story of who mayor a mere gallop of ham

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Speaker 2: tramik is, and I'm so glad that you were willing

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Speaker 2: to share that with us, because I do think that

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Speaker 2: this kind of opens the hearts of people back to

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Speaker 2: what America is really about, and that is people coming

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Speaker 2: here and being able to see those streets paved with gold.

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Speaker 4: Right, yes, yes, thank you, and so with all what

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Speaker 4: you hear on the media, we still have a very

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Speaker 4: welcoming community in Hampkong, very diverse. It's probably the most

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Speaker 4: diversity in the state of Michigan. It is also the

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Speaker 4: most walkable city. There's an article that it is. Recently

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Speaker 4: it was classified as the city with the fastest growth

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Speaker 4: in population and in businesses. So the population grow by

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Speaker 4: twenty nine percent over the past ten years. And it's

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Speaker 4: even more because I know a lot of people. The

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Speaker 4: census wasn't accurate. There were a lot of problems with that.

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Speaker 4: But this city is very safe, very peaceful. People here

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Speaker 4: are very peaceful. They don't want problems. They just want

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Speaker 4: to live, do their thing, work, produce. People are very

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Speaker 4: productive in this community. And so the city is moving

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Speaker 4: forward and is welcoming. I mean we willcome everybody, and

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Speaker 4: with the city government is here to serve everyone equally

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Speaker 4: like I said, and everyone is everyone is equally important

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Speaker 4: to us.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the most important message, is that everyone

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Speaker 2: is welcome. And despite the fact that you'll hear people

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Speaker 2: saying that's not the truth, you heard it here from

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Speaker 2: the mayor himself. Everyone is welcome. They want to make

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Speaker 2: sure that on their city buildings. They are being respectful

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Speaker 2: of everyone in the community, and I can't think of

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Speaker 2: a better message than that right now. I just I

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Speaker 2: think it's amazing. It's a great Michigan story. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I love it because it's a great Michigan story, and

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Speaker 2: I loved hearing your story of just overcoming and becoming

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Speaker 2: something incredible for your community. Mayor Golib, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for being here today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and thank you all for joining me

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Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others,

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Speaker 2: you so much,