1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drivetime with John osher Herson and Brian 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Sexta Sex. Jangs Drivetime starts right now. 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to Jags Drive Time on a 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: Tuesday morning from Tia bank Field in Jacksonville. I'm Brian 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: Sexton along with a senior writer from Jaguars dot Com, 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: John Oser, and a couple of weeks here of some 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: activities before we hit that summer break. Rookie Mini Camp 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: O TA started two weeks. There's a veteran mini camp 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: that's on the schedule as of right now. You know, 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: you're always wanting to point out that we never talk 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: about the off season when we get to the season. 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: How much of this do you suppose in your mind 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: is really valuable time. I mean, the coaches are gonna 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: say it's all valuable time. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think we saw last year. I just want 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: to bring it up how valuable really is. And what 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: I mean by that is this, Doug Peterson gave the 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 3: veterans that last mini camp off. 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: He did it because. 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: He felt like there had been very good participation up 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: until that point. He did it because I'm sure he 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: did it. He hasn't really said this, but my interpretation 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: was he did it to show them, Hey, we're not 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: a college team, we're a pro team. You guys are ready, 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: You've done your work. I'm not going to grind you 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: down for three days in June because I feel like 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: we need all the work we can possibly get on 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: the field. So what I'm getting at Brian is I 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: think the mental part of this, particularly for Trevor Lawrence, 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: the skill players who feel like they need it, is 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: very important. Mentally. It's important physically. I don't necessarily think 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: that it's particularly you know, chemistry. This time of year, 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: you can talk about it. I suppose it's important for 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 3: Ridley and Lawrence because Redly's. 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: Never done it before. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Here is it that important chemistry wise? For Christian Kirk 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: and I Trevor Lawrence wouldn't think. I Again, I don't 38 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: expect them to say that, But I do think mentally 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: it's very important because right now, I think a big 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: thing that's going on is the coaches have looked for 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: three months in the off season about what worked last 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: year and what did how we're gonna look tweaking it. 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: They're pouring that into the player's minds now. So I 44 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: it it's like I wouldn't tell you that it's a 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: bad example because I didn't go to class that much 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 3: in college. But it's important to go to class in September, right, right, 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: But it's really important to nail the final at the end. 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: But if you haven't. 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: Been there and learned it, then it's hard to nail 50 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: the final at the end. 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 4: But if you're not. 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: In class and you're studying, you can do okay. So 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: I would sort of say it like that as long 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: as they're and mentally it's fine. 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: Well, here's the other reason I bring it up, because remember, 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: there was a conversation a hallway at some point and 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: Doug was talking to the media and just kind off 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: the Cuffy goes, you know, you don't need to make 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: a big deal about who's here and who's not here 60 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: in the off season program, because we're not gonna we're 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: not gonna get all bent out of shape about that. 62 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: But my sense is just seeing guys who were here 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: and coming in and out and not keeping track in 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: any way, shape or formance. There's been pretty good participation 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: once again, and I think part of that is obviously 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: the coach the culture he sets, but the expectation for 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: this football team to be better this year. 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I always talk out both sides of my mouth 69 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: and miss a little bit because I don't think it's 70 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: particularly necessary for veterans to be here if they know 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: themselves and how they prepare. And I always use the 72 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: example in Indianapolis after his maybe his second year, Reggie 73 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: Wayne would come at the very start of OTAs and 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: he would essentially make sure that the offense hadn't changed 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: that much, and then he would we even come back 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: for the veteran in mini camp. A lot of defensive 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: players did that too, Frannie math. I mean, I remember 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 3: if if Matthew said, but Freanie, you know, a couple 79 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: of days here and there, they didn't need it. They 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: knew how they prepared younger guys. But where it is important, 81 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: I think, and I think most quarterbacks agree with this. 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: It's voluntary for quarterbacks, but unless you're Brady Leyden career, 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: Rogers Leyden career, different circumstance. Quarterbacks need to be there 84 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: because everybody else is dependent on them. Wide receiver next year, 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: does Christian Kirk need to be You know, I'm sure 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Christian will be every day start, he's that guy, But 87 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: does he need to be here every day to have 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: chemistry with Trevor Or. An argument could be made, do 89 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: the other guys get better by giving some reps that 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: Christian really doesn't need in May when he knows the 91 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: offense and there's a chemistry already there and. 92 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: He's gonna get most of them when August rules around. Right, 93 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: All right, let's roll right into Big Things here on 94 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: a Tuesday, when we start with Big Thing one, and 95 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: that's the schedule, and the question mark is there because 96 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: when I wrote the show yesterday morning, there was a 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: question as to whether it would be ready. Remember, this 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: is the year that they are totally upending what we 99 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: always knew that Fox had the NFC and CBS had 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: the AFC. Now the entire schedule is sort of a 101 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: grab and pick and could be on any channel at 102 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: any moment during the season. So was it going to 103 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: be ready? Well, it is ready, and it will be 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: unveiled on Thursday evening on NFL Network, and of course 105 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: we'll have something clever and creative to say about that 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: as well. More on the schedule in just a moment, 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: on to Big Thing two. It's the Rookies Rookie Mini Camp. 108 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: This week. We've talked about this. Ever since Dante Fowler 109 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: Junior tour his ACL on Mini camp week when he 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: was a rookie in twenty fifteen, we've going back this 111 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: thing off. Now it's more of an orientation than it 112 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: is a full fledged mini camp, but they get the 113 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: guys out on the field and give them a taste 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: of what they expect or can expect when training camp 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: rolls around. We'll talk about that and finally, Clickbait. Are 116 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: you falling for click bait? And John, Let's go right 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: to this one because it's interesting and if we could 118 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: have the graphic please. Kyle Brandt got everybody all up 119 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: in arms last week with his chart of quarterback tiers, 120 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: and then yesterday Peter King put the Jaguars in, you know, 121 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: kind of a mid level tier. And he obviously is 122 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: a very well learned football observer and has an opinion 123 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: on these things. But it gets people all fired up. 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 4: Where did Peter have me? 125 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: You I can't read that from where I'm sitting right here, 126 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: but he had them in sort of a mid level tier. Yeah, 127 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: well he put him in tears. 128 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've I've been righting this all off season, 129 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: and I think Kyle had Trevor Tuba. 130 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: He had him below Garoppolo, which I sort of get 131 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 4: the point. 132 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: If it's veteran guy Ben there, guy, I would have 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: to ever higher than that. 134 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: But with thirteenth for Peter. 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: Well, Peter was putting him in tears. It wasn't the 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: numbers as much as it was here are the teams 137 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: that you can count on, and here are the ones 138 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: with question marks. And he makes a valid football observer 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: point about this well team with the questions on the offensive. 140 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: Line, well, the offensive line, and frankly, this team has 141 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: earned the right and they've earned their status as AFC 142 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: South favorites. And if they trend in the direction that 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: they were trending late last season, which I've ever reason 144 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: to believe they will, and if Trevor continues to take 145 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: a step like you like he took last year, then 146 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: I think this team has a very real chance to 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: turn into the. 148 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: Flexed team of the AFC South. 149 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: The other side of that is the Tennessee Titans have 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: competed for this thing every year. They were the three 151 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: time defending championship two last year. The Titans were one 152 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: non fumble away from probably when the division last year, 153 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: So the Jaguars have yet to separate. They should separate, 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: but until they do, I don't mind them in that tier. 155 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: The point of it, though, is is that this is 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: the time of year when everything's are ranking, everything's in opinion. 157 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: It drives social media and engagement in Q ratings and 158 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: all of that stuff, and we're talking about it, so 159 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: we're talking about so it just it just it's a 160 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: self fulfilling prophecy. I just going through the websites, you know. 161 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: The other day there's one on Sports Illustrated dot com 162 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: and it's rookies who will dominate? And I thought, dominate. 163 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: How many rookies come into the NFL and dominate, right? 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: And they don't. I mean Randy Moss dominated in nineteen 165 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: ninety eight, that's the first name that came to mind. Dominated. 166 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,359 Speaker 2: Fred did that year too as well, with seventeen touchdowns. 167 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: But it just doesn't happen very often. No, But that's 168 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: what they're doing. They want you to click, they want 169 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: you to drive their engagement. 170 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: And every site has five veterans the Jaguars must trade for, 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: or five rookies they must draft, or they will close 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: the franchise. I mean, it's it's I get it. Usually 173 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: the sources are it's clickbait and it's fine. 174 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 175 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: The problem the old man who shouts at kids on 176 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: his lawn has whereas they write me saying, well, what 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: do you think of that? Well, I don't know about 178 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: trades really until they happen. Because you if you talked 179 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: about every trade that people wanted to have happened, how 180 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: many actually happen. 181 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: It's minuscule percentage. 182 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: It's not my thing. So and here's something else. 183 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: The old man didn't like this whole thing of grab 184 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: bag TV schedule. 185 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: I'm not a fan really. 186 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: I like, you know, the old man and me liked 187 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: turning on and seeing the NFC on CBS and the 188 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: AFC on NBC back in the day, well ninety four 189 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: for that, well nineteen seventy three nine, he'saventy four and 190 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: that's when football is real man Brian Fox and CBS. Yeah, 191 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: so I like there being sort of an identity with 192 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: the conferences. Uh, but I also like wooden tennis rackets. 193 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: All right, we got real quick. Let's go back to 194 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: the top. We talked about the rookies schedule. One game, right, 195 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: doesn't matter whether there's home or away. One game that 196 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: you are most looking forward to on the Jaguars schedule. 197 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: Oh, probably. 198 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: Probably Kansas City, you know, just because that will really 199 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: be a a a measuring game. Too much will be 200 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 3: made of it because whichever team wins, if any of it, 201 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: if either of them are good, they'll play again in 202 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs kind of thing. It could be so, but 203 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: that's obviously the one that's gonna be very interesting to 204 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: see how they match up. And I'm looking forward to 205 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: seeing all the games against the AFC Division. They're part 206 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: of that click for next year, and it'll be time 207 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: to sort of put up her shut up. 208 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: I'll go in the NFC and I'll go to San Francisco, 209 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: because I really Kyle Shanahan is the guy, and I 210 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: said this last fall that I always like to watch 211 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: the way that he executes his offense. And of course 212 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: last year the story out there was Brock Purdy and 213 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: the number one defense in football. I watched Doug in 214 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: the way that they did it here and I thought 215 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: that's I couldn't wait to see that matchup between Doug 216 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan, between the Jaguars and an offense that's 217 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 2: on the rise and a defense that's as good as 218 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: it comes. That San Francisco game is exciting to me. 219 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not a big. 220 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: This is one of the weeks of the off season 221 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: that I don't love because I'm not a big breakdown 222 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: the schedule guy, because I firmly believe that so much 223 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: changes team to team. But you can tell a little 224 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 3: bit with this schedule of when they're playing teams with 225 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: the leak quarterbacks, because elite quarterback does tend to go 226 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: year to year and you can trust that, and it 227 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: does look like a schedule. Frankly for the Jaguars that 228 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: looks like a lot of hals against a lot of 229 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: have nots. 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: Like the top of the schedule is very, very tough. 231 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 3: The bottom of the schedule they should be able to 232 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: make hay on if it plays to last season, So 233 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: I think that'll be a trend. I don't particularly believe 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: they have not stay have nots during the NFL season 235 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: and games don't usually play out that way. 236 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 4: But in breaking down the schedule, that's going to be 237 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 4: a theme. 238 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: When we return to Drags Drive time here on a 239 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, we'll take a look at the AFC South. 240 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: State of the South is next week. The John's thoughts 241 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: on the additions to the Colts, Titans and Texans. That's next. 242 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Drags Drive Time. Brian and John with 243 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: you here on a Tuesday morning time for a look 244 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: at the state of the South. We've talked about the 245 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: Jaguars and how we see them as the best team 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: in the South when you look at them on paper. John, 247 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: you mentioned that last year. You know it's a fumble away. 248 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you go back and look 249 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: at the first game against the Titans, Ryan Tannehill had 250 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: a fourteen to nothing lead until Trayvon Walker sacked and 251 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: stripped him and they got the ball for Trevor in 252 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: Titans territory and they were able to mount that come 253 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: from behind win. 254 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: So both games they were going in late and it 255 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: would have gotten dice the I mean, it's not going 256 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: to be It's always fascinating to me in this league 257 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: how perception winning changes everything. Boy, and the Jaguars won 258 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: nine games and lost eight. Had they won eight games 259 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: and lost nine and the Titans won that game out here, 260 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: the tone would be so different. And it was really 261 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: one play. I get that, but division games, I'm getting 262 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: emails it from people Oh, they should sweep the division 263 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: for the first time ever. 264 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 4: They should do that. Let's just. 265 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 3: Win a couple in September, get this thing rolling a 266 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: little bit, and then figure out how good they're going 267 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: to be. 268 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: Well, so I thought, since we talked about the division, 269 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: we'd take a look at what the other teams have done, 270 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: and so let's start, and we'll start on the Titans. 271 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: Here's the thing with Tennessee. Are they a team in transition? Right? 272 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: New general manager, same head coach, same quarterback, right, Ryan 273 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: Tannehill still the guy until Will Levis takes it from him. 274 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: You see what they did in free agency. They added 275 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: a left tackle because they let Taylor Lewan go and 276 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: their offensive line at the end of the year was 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: in trouble. They signed Ard and Key We've talked enough 278 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: about that, and a veteran receiver in Robert Woods to 279 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: help take the pressure off Treylon Bergs. And then they 280 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: drafted an offensive lineman and the quarterback. I can't tell, 281 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: and I don't think anybody knows for sure yet where 282 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Tannehill and Henry fall on this. Are they transitioning in 283 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three or are they just setting themselves up 284 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: to break it up and change everything in twenty twenty four. 285 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think they're trying to transition on the fly, 286 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: and they have a chance to. 287 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: Because the Titans were. 288 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: Pretty good for a while last year and then I 289 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: think the thing that some Jaguars fans forget, they got 290 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: really injured the second half of the season. 291 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: It went on that swing. They lost what their last 292 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: seven or eight? 293 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: They lost their last seven games. 294 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: I knew they Yeah. 295 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: So I don't think the Titans believe interior inside the 296 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: organization that they are a team that has to. 297 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 4: Tear down Go four and twelve get top pay. That's 298 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: not their approach. 299 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: They took eleves because they don't want to have to 300 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: do that, So they don't believe they're that team. I 301 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: think they're a team with a chance to be nine 302 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: and eight. In that range ten and seven, I think 303 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: it will be up up to the Jaguars to be 304 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: better than that and sort of clear that hurdle and 305 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: not make them a factor. 306 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: If the Jaguars have a. 307 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: Nine and eight ten and eight type record, then I 308 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: think one team in this division, I would think the 309 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: Titans will be there around them. 310 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: I think the Jaguars should be better than that. 311 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: They should be able to clear that hurdle and make 312 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: nine and eight, not a contending record in this division, 313 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: But I don't think. I don't think the Titans are 314 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: necessarily going to be a team. I don't think it's 315 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: going to be an eleven and six first place team 316 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: and a bunch of six and ten teams. I think 317 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: the Titans can get there and compete. 318 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: The question I have is if they still lean on 319 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry as heavily as they did, can they win. 320 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: I don't know think they can well. 321 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: I think they can get off. 322 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm talking about Yeah, if their offensive line is better 323 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: than Henry should be better. But you just wonder if 324 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: a thirty year old running back who has the mileage 325 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: and the wear and tear that Derrick Henry does. 326 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think they would have been Frankly, I think 327 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: they'd have been a playoff team if last season, if 328 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: they hadn't gotten beat up, the Jaguars earned their way 329 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: into the playoffs. They wouldn't have gotten there had the 330 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: Titans not had that swoon, because they got really beat up. 331 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: So innically you can earn it even on other teams 332 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: giving it away. I don't think that'll work for the 333 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: Titans this year. I think the Jaguars can get to 334 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: double digits and up, so I think the Titans can 335 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 3: be good. 336 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 4: I don't think they win the division. 337 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: Colts. Now you can see they didn't do a lot 338 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: in free agency, even though they have as clean a 339 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: cap as anyone in the league they anywhere in the NFL. 340 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: They signed a kicker right and they grabbed Gardner Minshew. 341 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: The real story with them is the quarterback Anthony Richardson. 342 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: How long until Shaneesdyke and the new coach can try 343 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: to implement a system with that talented young man like 344 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: he was able to achieve last year with Jalen hurtson Philly. 345 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 4: They look like a team that will have three or 346 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: four games where their Sports Center team where. 347 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: He's doing things that you just can't expect. 348 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: Wow, look at this kid and people get excited about it. 349 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a team with him at quarterback 350 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: in his rookie year that's going to be consistent enough 351 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: to get to ten wins. They look like a team 352 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 3: that knows that they would love to be better than 353 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: that might flash early and then have trouble sustaining late. 354 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: Because teams will get a book on a rookie quarterback 355 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: who's not great in the pocket, shut him down for 356 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: a time. It will be up to him to see 357 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 3: how he responds to that, how the offense responds to that. 358 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: That's how seasons with this level quarterback meaning very very 359 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: good but very very young, usually go. So I'd expect that, 360 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: And it feels like with their cap approach, not spending 361 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: a whole lot, not re signing unique, sort of letting 362 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 3: that get clean, it feels like they expect six seven 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: this year at the most with a jump and go 364 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: for it after a peak at the end of the season. 365 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 4: That's what you hope for if you're the Colts. 366 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: Through Will Mallory's name in there by the way, just 367 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: to throw a shout out. He was a fifth round pick, 368 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: tied end from Miami who played at Providence, whose father 369 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: was here for a number of years in a special 370 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: team's capacity, and then yeah, it was good for Will. 371 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: Good kid. And then we'll go over to the Texans. 372 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: You know, the C. J. Stroud is there, and you 373 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: would expect, why wouldn't you that he would be the 374 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: opening day starter, right case. Keenum already had his time 375 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: as the starter there, and it's been a backup. They 376 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: grabbed Singletary and Schultz right from Buffalo, and now let's 377 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: in Jimmy Ward, the defensive back who will help Demiko 378 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: Ryans with the defense. But everything rests on those two 379 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: guys who are at the bottom of the list, the 380 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: second and third picks in the draft. 381 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, they look very interesting. 382 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: And by the way, they signed a ton of mid 383 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: level free age. I mean, they really up the roster. 384 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: They look like a team and I could I could 385 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: be dead wrong on this. They look like a team 386 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: that might have wanted to draft Stroud, draft young and 387 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: give them a year to develop before going after it. 388 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 3: Except the GM has been there maybe a little too 389 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: long to have one more year where they're down before 390 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: they make their jump. 391 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 392 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: It does so. 393 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, So maybe putting a lot on the rookie and saying, hey, 394 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks have succeeded, let's get something around them, and 395 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: let's get this thing rolling right now and go after it. 396 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: They look on paper and from a distance from a 397 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: you know, thirty thousand feet view on a similar timing is. 398 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 4: The Colts because of the quarterback. 399 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: But they're acting like they feel like they ought to 400 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: make that jump this year. 401 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: You know, I all logic tells you. 402 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: That the Jaguars are two years ahead of these franchises 403 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: because of the quarterback development logic in the off seasons 404 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: hasn't always played the regular sea and I don't think 405 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: they're that far ahead of the Titans. 406 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: The Titans still feel dangerous. 407 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: To me because I always say that about this franchise 408 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 3: or always say this about that franchise. They know how 409 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: they want to play under Vabele, They know what they are. 410 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: They're gonna get some games because they know their identity 411 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: that people before the season said, well, they shouldn't win 412 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: that game, but they always sort of do if they 413 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: stay healthy. Again, I keep going back, there's a probably 414 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: eleven win hurdle that Jay Auways have to get to 415 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: to me to make sure the Titans aren't a factor. 416 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: Well, all you need to remember is that Joshua Dobbs 417 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: have been on the roster for three weeks and came 418 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: down here and it took Rashaan Jenkins stripping the ball 419 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: on a sack with just a couple of minutes left 420 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: on the clock and josh Allen having a free run 421 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: to the end zone. Otherwise the Jaguars are gonna lose 422 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: to Josh Jobs. 423 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: They've always got to earn it to get past them. 424 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 4: I guess what I'm getting at. Always they're not gonna 425 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 4: give it to you. Somehow. 426 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: They're gonna get to nine even if they're not on 427 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: paper very good, which they sort of did last year though, 428 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: So you always got to take it from them. And 429 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 3: they're a good organization because of that. 430 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm curious what they do. I mean, 431 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: there's been talk that Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill are 432 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: available if anyone's willing to take their contracts on, because 433 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: they could easily make the adjustment right now and go 434 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: to Will Levis. He's a highly thought of quarterback. What 435 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: will they do? We'll find out. That's our look at 436 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: the South. When we come back, we go to the 437 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 2: ozone Mailbag. This podcast is own friendly. Oh soon, all right, 438 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: let's go the Ojoe mailbag right here on Jagg's Drive time. 439 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: We'll start with Sean from Oakley, who wants, of course, 440 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: to talk about the schedule. He asks, once you're over 441 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: under for primetime games, the Jaguars get this season? 442 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: Well, he asked, including flexes and it's it's so hard 443 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 3: to know because you don't know how to circumstance. That's 444 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: not always up to the Jaguars. Sure, it's up to 445 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: how other teams fare. I'm gonna say three, and fans 446 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: will go nuts over that because the most you can 447 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: get his five. 448 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: But I don't know that the league will. The market 449 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: is still small and they're not a perennial contender yet. 450 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 4: I think once they're a pernal contender, I think they 451 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 4: get five. No, no, no, I think three. 452 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: Well, no, because I think once, if they're good this year, 453 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: if they're a twelve win team with Trevor Lawrence, with 454 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 3: this offense, I saw it in Indy, Indy before Peyton 455 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: got there was a non prime time market. 456 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: But they're always going to try to get the Jets. 457 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 4: I had four. 458 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: All I know is every time I looked up in 459 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, I was 460 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 3: getting off a planet three in the morning. 461 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: So it's the quarterback. 462 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's the quarter Well. 463 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: Right, you want if Trevor's what Trevor is going to be, 464 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: teams want him in that star graphic next to Justin Herbert, 465 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: next to when they're promoting the next week's game. You 466 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: follow me, I mean or networks want that. So yeah, 467 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: I think they can be, but I don't think this 468 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: first year. I think he'll get them three. If you 469 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 3: recall in twenty eighteen, when there wasn't a guy like that, 470 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: they got one. So I think you'll see that difference. 471 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: I'd be disappointed for the Jaguars fans because they want 472 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: this so bad. I love one o'clock home games, but 473 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: Jaguars fans want these primetime games. I'd be disappointed for 474 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: them if there's not two or three. 475 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: Well, I add to their credit, they showed out with 476 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: those two Saturday night primetime games last year against the 477 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: Titans and Chargers, and you would think that the networks 478 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: would say, hey, if we've got a good Jaguars team 479 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: late in the season, we want to be there again. 480 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: But again, if if they're on three times, it's because 481 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: the kid with the hair. 482 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's. 483 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: Anybody said you when you have the long hair. 484 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: But the kid, now, they said, the old man who 485 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: looked ridiculous with. 486 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: Her right ken from Saint Augustine is up next. Hey, John, 487 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: how many of the thirteen picks need to have a 488 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 2: meaningful impact to consider the draft success. 489 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 4: Is there a Hall of Famer, there no take value? Yes? 490 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: So uh well, and when I answered this, I forget 491 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: how many picks they had, ninety five, but they had 492 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: no prol no Pro bowlers except for Tony. But it's 493 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: a good draft because he made the Hall of Fame, 494 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: right and he was draft this year. 495 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, so uh. 496 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: You know, the way to answer this is always if 497 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: your first three picks, first three round are impact guys. 498 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: If you have a couple who signed second contracts, uh, 499 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: then it's. 500 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: A successful draft. 501 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: If if you've got a bunch, if you've got four 502 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: or five or six who were who were starting contributing, 503 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: and then two of them go off the roster and 504 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: and you re signed to and one of them hangs 505 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: around for one more one year contract, those are the 506 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: kind of drafts that you can maintain a team with 507 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: as long as you've got a quarterback. 508 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: You know, as I looked at the draft, and I 509 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: wrote this for one of the columns that we had 510 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: last week, it looked like you got three guys who 511 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: you can point to and say they're gonna have a chance 512 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: to be starters for us, right, Harrison obviously, Johnson, the 513 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: safety from Texas A and M looks like a guy 514 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: who can fit that mold. And then you think Brenton Strange. 515 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: You took him with a second round pick. At some 516 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: point he's going to become a starter for you. 517 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 4: And then Bigsby. 518 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 2: Biggsby's a rotational position. 519 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 3: We talk way too much, especially on offense, about starters. 520 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: You have starters in the offensive line and a quarterback 521 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: in this Doug Peterson's scheme, I don't know that you 522 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: have starters per se at wide receiver, tight end or 523 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: a running back. You have starters, but you have nine 524 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: or ten guys if you need at those spots, not five. Well, 525 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: so I think Bigsby fits into that, and so does Strange. 526 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: Well, I think Lacey does right. Tyler Lacy, the defensive lineman, 527 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: is a guy that looks like he can fit into 528 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 2: a rotational they're hoping that he is. And then you're 529 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: a duel the pass rusher, you know, the guy that 530 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: looks like a unique and Gockway kind of player who 531 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: can get after the quarterback. If those six guys, three 532 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: of them men up starters, three of them med up 533 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: role players, maybe Miller, Yeah, I don't I don't take 534 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: away from anybody's chance to be that guy. But then 535 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: you look at the rest of the class and say, hey, 536 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: if I hit on two or three of those guys 537 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: for special teams and they play for a couple of years, 538 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what this is about now. 539 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 3: Uh. And I said several times on draft weekend, this 540 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: draft to me felt like, uh, in twenty twenty one, 541 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: they signed free agents to make up for a lot 542 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: of years of not drafting and development, and this feels like, Okay, 543 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: now we've we're back to the point where we've drafted 544 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 3: our depth, our when when we get off the bus, 545 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: we look like an NFL team. 546 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: For a while, they didn't feel like it. 547 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 3: Now they're back to where uh, they've got the numbers 548 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: to draw from. Guys get hurt, you're not in trouble. 549 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: They feel like a roster that now has a chance 550 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: to be what Balkey wants it to be, which is 551 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: a big, fast roster that looks the part. 552 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: Final question from the Ozone today comes from Reagan in Melbourne. 553 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 2: I have the Drags done enough to improve the twenty 554 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: seventh ranked past defense to make a deep run into 555 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: the postseason. 556 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a couple of things here that 557 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: I don't know that they need to improve dramatically. They were, 558 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: you know, seven points away from a AFC Championship Game appearance, 559 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: so they've made no k running the postseason last year. 560 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: They want to finally eight teams playing. So I think 561 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: there's certainly scenarios out there where their past defense is 562 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: exactly what it was this year and they make. 563 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: The championship game and go to. 564 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: Super Bowl, because if their offense is better, then their 565 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: past defense can be what it was and if a 566 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: break or two go right. But I think the things 567 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: that will improve the past defense are this. The front 568 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: seven should get better because of a Walker Lloyd and 569 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: maybe Muma being better making you more stout. The past 570 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: defense overall should get better from those two being better. 571 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: And if the offense gets better, then all of a sudden, 572 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: you're in many more passing situations. You're obvious passing the 573 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: situation that should make your pass rush better. 574 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: You know, it needs to get marginally better. Brian gotta 575 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: break surf at the right time. 576 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I think that I want to reemphasate 577 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: the point if they're playing with the lead, which this 578 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: team has not done a lot of you know, going 579 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: back to twenty seventeen. Then all of a sudden, Josh Allen, 580 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: Travon Walker, you know, Chad Muma, Devin Lloyd, the defensive back. 581 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: They're that much better. So instead of thinking, well they 582 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: didn't add a corner, well yeah, they added a wide 583 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: receiver Calvin Ridley, that should be able to give them 584 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: more points on the board with a chance to play 585 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 2: with the lead, which is when you tee off and 586 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: go chase the quarterback. 587 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: And when you do that's what they're counting on. 588 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: Sacks, interceptions come right, and a better pass defensive ranking 589 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: comes as well. That's it for the Ojoe mail back. 590 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: We'll come back and wrap up the show in just 591 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: a moment, all right, that'll do it for the show today, John, 592 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: huddle up tomorrow with Bucky. 593 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and then we'll have roocky minicamp and schedule. I 594 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: mean now this turns in for four or five days 595 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: and the end of the week to one of the 596 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: busier weeks of the off season. 597 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: So we're ready to get. 598 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and drivetime with JP and Jeff comes up Thursday 599 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: night as well. We'll have coverage of the mini camp. 600 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: Doug talks on Friday, players after practice on Friday and Saturday, 601 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: and of course the schedule release which is eight o'clock 602 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: on Thursday evening. So stay tuned at Jaguars dot com 603 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: and all the social media channels for all the events 604 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: of this week in living color. That'll do it for 605 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: our show, for Joe and Bret Rieber, David Shoe and 606 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: our entire crew. Have a great Tuesday.