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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production to I Heeart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: today it is time for another feminist movie Friday, and

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Speaker 1: we're doing quite the undertaking movies. Yes, yes, good point,

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Speaker 1: because we are talking about the Matrix series, so that

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Speaker 1: being Matrix, Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, Matrix Resurrections, not the

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Speaker 1: Anti Matrix because this is already quite long, but that

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Speaker 1: means there will be spoilers for the newest Matrix Resurrections

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Speaker 1: in here. Pretty a lot of spoilers, so if you

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Speaker 1: wanna watch it first, don't be spoiled. You can come back,

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Speaker 1: will be will be waiting. And it is on HBO

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Speaker 1: Max for those who have it. Yes, it is. It

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Speaker 1: is all of them, All of them is on it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the animated version too, which I watched them

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Speaker 1: all yesterday for work, and I was quite shocked how

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Speaker 1: much I remembered of them because I loved them. I

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Speaker 1: loved them when I was young, and I just would

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Speaker 1: watched them all the time. We actually, Samantha and if

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Speaker 1: we went to see this in theaters before we realized

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Speaker 1: just how terrible O Macron was. We went in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the day on a weekday with masks, so

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Speaker 1: I wasn't crowded by any means, but still, like a

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Speaker 1: week later, we were like, we've done this a couple

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Speaker 1: of times now, we had like not realizing how bad

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Speaker 1: It was it was um, but if we hadn't have gone,

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Speaker 1: we would have missed out on this interaction we had

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Speaker 1: with this dude who saw I saw the movie with us, Um,

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Speaker 1: not with us, but he was in the theater and

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Speaker 1: afterwards he was so excited. He told us all of

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Speaker 1: his thoughts about about these movies and about how he

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Speaker 1: was in a cult and how these movies helped him

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Speaker 1: get out of a cult. And then Samantha and I

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Speaker 1: were like, huh, I guess there's a lot we could

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Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to these movies and feminism,

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Speaker 1: which we'll get to the cult part in a bit,

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Speaker 1: but basically the whole red Bill thing. So yeah, there

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Speaker 1: is there really is a lot in these movies for

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Speaker 1: us to discuss. And just as a reminder, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of mixed reviews about the new one. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: speak for myself. I liked it a lot, and I

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Speaker 1: liked the new taking on and I feel like it

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Speaker 1: was a progression for a reason. And we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that in a bit. And just a reminder that the

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Speaker 1: matrix being successful does not mean that the other two

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Speaker 1: were that successful. They weren't not not successful, but they

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Speaker 1: weren't as loved as Yeah, for sure. I actually, as

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Speaker 1: I said that, I was watching these yesterday and having

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Speaker 1: all these memories because I was in middle school when

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Speaker 1: remember having the worst comeback of like you you have

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Speaker 1: bad taste anyway. I mean, you're not wrong, yes, but ye.

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Speaker 1: At the point being, they were definitely not as loved

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Speaker 1: as the first one. Also, I was telling Samantha's story

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Speaker 1: of an orgy scene there is in that movie. But

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Speaker 1: And then later I'm seeing all the boobs. I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: also an orgasm. There's two orgasm scenes. Um, but there

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Speaker 1: like polaroid camera that would print it out like right away,

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Speaker 1: how cute Neo was. Is it fine? He got a

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Speaker 1: who told me that I was very silly for liking

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Speaker 1: But whatever. Sounds like she's not a good friend. We

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Speaker 1: had a few falling out our day. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: my point being, these had a huge impact on me.

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Speaker 1: our culture in society at large. It really did. Let's

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Speaker 1: just jump into this, you're ready, So, because Annie and

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Speaker 1: I are two to very different people, and you know this,

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Speaker 1: that we had a high school friend who resembled Keanu

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Speaker 1: reads a lot, like his face, everything, enough so that

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Speaker 1: we would call him Neo and when we would redo

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Speaker 1: he would be the ultimate Neo. But obviously we're not

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Speaker 1: here to completely reminisce a little bit, a little bit so.

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Speaker 1: The movie was released in nineteen and was and still

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Speaker 1: a much loved successful film. All of these movies written

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Speaker 1: The movie starts with one of the most memorable fight

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Speaker 1: scenes to date. A badass Trinity is looking into finding

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Speaker 1: quote him when ambushed by local officers and some special

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Speaker 1: in the matrix to come after certain people's And though

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Speaker 1: and how it is mimicked repeatedly heavily influenced by martial

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Speaker 1: The Wachowski is bringing some of the best trainers and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson. What we know of him in the Matrix.

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Speaker 1: Here we find out Mr Anderson is looking for something someone,

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Speaker 1: who offers him an explanation or the red pill, which

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Speaker 1: After taking the red pill, he's soon released and comes

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Speaker 1: live action movie to be released both in the regular

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Speaker 1: and Imax theaters. It's a really big moment here y'all.

432
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Speaker 1: And though this was the third film and last one

433
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Speaker 1: until recently, there's plenty of material, including video games and

434
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Speaker 1: animated stories of the matrix, so they kept going. It

435
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Speaker 1: keeps going. Oh, I played that video game. I played

436
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Speaker 1: that game? You win? Uh No, I think so the

437
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: video game I played it takes place between like during

438
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Speaker 1: reloaded and then between them. But I remember it has

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Speaker 1: actual cut scenes in it, so like I mean cut

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Speaker 1: scenes as in Hugo Weaving, the actor not animated is

441
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Speaker 1: in it. If he has this scene, I think about

442
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: it all the time where he's like all the agent

443
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: Smiths are coming out into the hall and he's like,

444
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Speaker 1: I am the Alpha to eu Omega the beginning to

445
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Speaker 1: your End. He was so good, he like chewed on

446
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Speaker 1: that role. It kind of defined him. To see him

447
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: in another trilogy later on was like, what, he's nice.

448
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: Really okay? But back to with Neo and a Coma

449
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: and they are down several ships, including Captain Niolee's ship

450
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Speaker 1: and crew. They haven't found them yet. They were able

451
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Speaker 1: to find another, but only had one surviving passenger as

452
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Speaker 1: the e MP had been detonated, killing everyone else around them. Yep,

453
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Speaker 1: you guess that it's Smith Slash Baine who we see

454
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Speaker 1: laying there, who is also in a coma. While Zion

455
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Speaker 1: is preparing for an impending attack by the machines, we

456
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: have the rest of the crew trying to get back

457
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Speaker 1: to Zion as soon we find that Niobe and her

458
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: crew are alive, but their ship is down. With the

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Speaker 1: help of the others, they get the ship running again,

460
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: but as they plan to make their way back trying

461
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: to get back to the Battle of Zion, Morpheus receives

462
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Speaker 1: a message from Sarah, who is a message from the

463
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Speaker 1: Oracle about Neo. Neo we find is currently stuck in

464
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Speaker 1: a train station in Nowhere. Here we meet Sati, who

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Speaker 1: was another road program, and her parents who have secured

466
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Speaker 1: a passage to take her back to the Matrix instead

467
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Speaker 1: of deletion. All the while, Morpheus, Trinis and Sarah, after

468
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Speaker 1: being informed of Neo's location and who holds his key

469
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Speaker 1: to freedom, the merrow Vingian he's back, try to negotiate

470
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Speaker 1: Neo's return, which ends up being in a hostile moment.

471
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Speaker 1: Neo tries to board the train, but it's not allowed

472
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Speaker 1: as the conductor works for the mayor Vingian and it's stuck,

473
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: so he's just stuck, but we soon see that Trinity

474
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Speaker 1: is willing to take everyone down, including herself, to get

475
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Speaker 1: to Neo and wins and is reunited with Neo happy

476
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: days Before returning to the real world, though he meets

477
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Speaker 1: up with the Oracle one last time where he sees

478
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Speaker 1: Satia again as she is with her now um and

479
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Arcle has changed her form due to the need to

480
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Speaker 1: hide and all the dangers here. She talks about the

481
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Speaker 1: real danger of Smith and his plan to take down

482
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Speaker 1: the real world and the Matrix. She talks about the

483
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Speaker 1: fact that they're in one and the same, or rather

484
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Speaker 1: opposites and the same, kind of like the Alpha and

485
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Speaker 1: the Omega, and soon after Neo leaves, we see Smith

486
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Speaker 1: taking over all the people there, including the Oracle. That

487
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: means he also has premonitions. Now. Upon their return, we

488
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Speaker 1: find the rest of the captains and crews trying to

489
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Speaker 1: find a way to make it back to Zion. They

490
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Speaker 1: are aware that the machines are coming. Bain Smith wakes

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Speaker 1: up kills the crew member after being questioned and saying

492
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Speaker 1: he didn't remember what happened. Uh Neo asked how take

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Speaker 1: a ship to the Machine city so that as he

494
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: now knows that he needs to be there and not

495
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Speaker 1: in Zions, so they're trying to separate. After a little

496
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Speaker 1: bit of an argument, Niobe gives him her ship as

497
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Speaker 1: she too had a visit with the Oracle, and though

498
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Speaker 1: not a believer in the One, believes in Neo. As

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00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: they part way, so we see that Baine has stuck

500
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Speaker 1: on the ship with Neo and the other crew members

501
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: discovered the body of the one who was killed. Oh

502
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: no um. Though they now know Neo is in danger,

503
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: they had to continue their way to Zion or it

504
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: will be too late. So right row, Neo and Trinity

505
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: are ambushed by Baine slash Smith who Baine who Neo

506
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: discovers a Smith and we have another great scene with

507
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: Neo being blinded and killing Bain in the most explosive

508
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: type of manner. But it's okay because now Neo can

509
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: truly see, so we're good. But Trinity now has to

510
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: pilot the ship As they make their way to the

511
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Speaker 1: Machine City. We get to see the beautiful sky for

512
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Speaker 1: a second, but then they plummet back down. As they

513
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Speaker 1: make their way into the center, they crash, which kills

514
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Speaker 1: Trinity slowly by the way, but she's a will to

515
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Speaker 1: confess her love to Neo and as she takes her

516
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: final breath, back to the other captains and the Hammer,

517
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: which is the ship they're currently on with Niobe at

518
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Speaker 1: the helm, they fly through perilous ways as they're being

519
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: attacked and the signals are trying to stop them from

520
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: returning to Zion, but we see all the action happening

521
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: all on the docks as well of Zion trying to

522
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: keep the machines out of the main city. So many

523
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: die trying to fend off the mini mini machines, but

524
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: they hear that the Hammer is coming in. The team

525
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: up to open the way for the Hammer to come in.

526
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Niobe's skilled piloting brings them in, which allows them to

527
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Speaker 1: use the e MP to kill all the machines in

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Speaker 1: the city. However, the commander is not too happy as

529
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Speaker 1: it also kills all the defenses and leaves them vulnerable

530
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Speaker 1: for more attacks. And oh my god, we see the

531
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: giant swarm of machines coming to destroy Zion. But back

532
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: to Neo, who has made it to the center and

533
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: bargains with the Machine, who agrees and sends him back

534
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: into the Matrix to fight Smith. Another epic fight ensues

535
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting effects. I do like the rain

536
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: scene and they make for pretty sounds, with Neo giving

537
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: up and being taken over by Smith, which then the

538
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: machine uses to infiltrate and explode all the other Smiths,

539
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: defeating him and ultimately killing Neo as well. So Neo

540
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: sacrificed himself. But with the deal made by Neo, this

541
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: stops the war with the Truth, and we see all

542
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: the machines leaving Zion, and as Zion celebrates in relief,

543
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: we see that the Matrix is rebooted and the return

544
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: of the Oracle, Sati and Seraf. As it ends, we

545
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: watched the Oracle and Architect, who by the way, is

546
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: the one at the source remember, who had referred to

547
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Speaker 1: themselves as the Mother and the Father of the Matrix,

548
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: discussed the current state of truth, allowing for peace for

549
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: quote as long as it can and the humans who

550
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Speaker 1: desire to be unplugged to do so. We also see Sati,

551
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: who has made a beautiful sunset to honor Neo, asking

552
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Speaker 1: me if they would ever see Neo again, to which

553
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: the Oracle replies, I think so, and it ends with

554
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Speaker 1: the Bay says of belief, meaning if not knowing for

555
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: sure if it would in this way, but believing it would,

556
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: because that's how she said when Sarah asked her, did

557
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you know? And she says, I didn't, but I believed. Um.

558
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: So that's Finn or is it or is it? Gosh?

559
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: There will be a test at the end of this one. Listeners,

560
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot. We finally arrive at

561
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: The Matrix Directions, which is a one American sci fi

562
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Speaker 1: action movie that is directed and produced and co written

563
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: by Lana Wachowski. Kana Reeves and Carrie and Fisher reprised

564
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: their roles of Neo and Trinity, and Jada Pinkett Smith

565
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: as a much older Naobe. I forgot how bad as

566
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Speaker 1: she is in those movies. Man, it's a good pilot.

567
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: So Lambert Wilson as the Maravenian returns and a plethora

568
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Speaker 1: of new actors playing old characters, including Yaha abdulma Team

569
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Speaker 1: the Second as Morpheus, Priyanka Chopra Jonas as Sati, and

570
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan Groff as Agent Smith, and play of new characters

571
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: like Jessica Henwick as Bugs and Neil Patrick Harris as

572
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the Analyst. Okay, but yeah, the plot is confusing to condense,

573
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: but essentially, this movie picks up sixty years after the

574
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: events of Matrix Revolutions Um, though in the Matrix construct

575
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: in the film has been twenty years okay um Neo

576
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: once again going by the name Thomas Anderson, is a

577
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: successful video game developer for the company Do Makina, who

578
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: created the hit series of The Matrix and is now

579
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: working on a series called Binary. But he has trouble

580
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: distinguishing reality from fiction, and as the audience, you do too,

581
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: and I think that's very purposeful. But um, Ever since

582
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: he's tried to fly by stepping off the roof out

583
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: in a wards there simony, he's been in therapy and

584
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: he takes blue pills. His therapist, played by Neil Patrick

585
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Harris prescribes many of his episodes involve him believing the

586
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Matrix is real and that he is, in fact Neo

587
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: and is once again trapped in a virtual world. There

588
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: are hints at the Matrix everywhere, including the therapist. Black

589
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Cat Deja Vu is its name, though it's implied this

590
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: is an instance of life influencing art, as in he

591
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't like the cat, so he named something in his

592
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: game based on the cat. And there is a woman

593
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: named Tiffany played by Carrie in Moss who Neo keeps

594
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: running into at a coffee shop named simulatte Uh. Tiffany

595
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: is married mom, and she does remind you of Trinity,

596
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: and the two strike up a friendship. Neo is informed

597
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: by his boss that they are making a new matrix game,

598
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Neo refused to do so and

599
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do so. In the brainstorming process, Neo

600
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: starts to feel like he's on a treadmill getting nowhere

601
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: stops taking his pills. At the same time, he is

602
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: secretly running a modal Um, which for our purposes is

603
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: basically a simulation used to develop game characters. UH. It

604
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: is running on a loop, playing at the moment where

605
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Trinity discovered Neo over and over again, but something's kind

606
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: of off about it. Real world Rebel Bugs discovers it

607
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and a computer program embodying Morpheus in there, and she

608
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: rescues this UH program Morpheus. They also learned that Neo

609
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: is alive and in the matrix and make plans to

610
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: extract him. After I botched first attempt, Neo describes to

611
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: try his hand at flying again, only for Bugs stop

612
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: him and get him out, and it's revealed his boss

613
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: is Agent Smith, so he's like Boss at the Game

614
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: Company played by Jonathan Groff is Agent Smith. Okay, So,

615
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Neo awakes in a pod and sees Trinity in the

616
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: pod next to him, but she has not rescued. He

617
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: has taken to a new human city that is led

618
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Speaker 1: by General Iobi, who tells Neo that thanks to him

619
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: and his efforts, some machines have defected and joined up

620
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: with the humans, something many never believe possible. Neo a

621
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Speaker 1: snob to allow him to try to rescue Trinity, but

622
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: she refuses, locking him up. With the help of Bugs

623
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Speaker 1: and crew at, Neo escapes in the inner of the Matrix,

624
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: where they encounter a bunch of exile programs, including Smith,

625
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: who is now kind of a Silicon Valley bro and

626
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: the Mayor of Engine. They want to return the Matrix

627
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: to its original form. In the ensuing fight, Neo slowly

628
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: recovers his abilities, the flight still eludes him. They locate Trinity,

629
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Speaker 1: but Neo's therapist, who reveals he's a program called the

630
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: Analyst who can manipulate time. He's got his villain monologue,

631
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: telling Neo He was created to study the human psyche,

632
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: and after Trinity and Neo's death, he resurrected them to

633
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: study them, eventually realizing that if he suppressed their memories,

634
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: that kept them close enough to each other that they

635
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: were like almost always touching, but not quite. This was

636
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: the most effective way to run the Matrix. It was

637
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: the most efficient. When Neo was freed from his pod,

638
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: it triggered a fail safe reboot, but the analyst convinced

639
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: his bosses to put it off that Neo would voluntarily

640
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: return if he's threatened to kill Trenity. Neo and co

641
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: make a very complicated plan to free Trinity, and Neo

642
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: makes a deal out of Trinity decides to stay in

643
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: the Matrix rather than wake up he will return to

644
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Speaker 1: his pod voluntarily. A confrontation in Zu's it looks like

645
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: all is lost, but then Trinity reclaims her identity. The

646
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: analyst tries to kill her, but it is attacked by Smith,

647
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: who is angry that he was trapped in the Matrix too.

648
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: A big end fight follows, and when cornered, Neo and

649
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Trinity jump off a building, but it turns out now

650
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Trinity can fly. Trinity has control over the matrix UM

651
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: and she and Neo returned to confront the analysts and

652
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: tell him they are going to make the matrix as

653
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: they see fit, and then they fly away together the end.

654
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: So far as yeah, like he said to me, this

655
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: gotten Mixture of you was, but it definitely has a

656
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff going on. Also, after repeatedly saying

657
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: they did not want Tous equal to the matrix after

658
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Matrix revolutions, Lana Wachowski says she came up with this

659
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: idea one night when she couldn't sleep after her parents

660
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: one of her best friends died in twenty nineteen in

661
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: separate instances, and she said it was comforting to return

662
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: to these characters. And that's where all this idea came from.

663
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: And so, first of all, listeners, thank you for sticking around.

664
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot, but there are a lot of interesting

665
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: things when it comes to feminism around these um I

666
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: did want to touch on, you know, speaking of returning

667
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: to characters that are comforting to you. This movie is

668
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: extremely meta. This new one is extremely so meta. It's

669
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: very nostalgic. Christina Ricci pops up as Gwyndevere, which I thought,

670
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, these movies have always been very symbolic. There's

671
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot thought around, you know, the names that people choose.

672
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: But also I remember my friend Katie's mom gave me

673
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: a book of like the Religion of the Matrix. It

674
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: is very like Neo the one Jesus you got signing,

675
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: like all of these things. I loved makin a Binary.

676
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: It's very on the nose with a lot of what

677
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: it's doing. I mean, I told you like when I

678
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: originally watched the sort, when this origion that came out,

679
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: I was really big into the Christian world and we

680
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: were teaching a lot of different courses, and of course

681
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: it had to be relevant, and at that point in time,

682
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Matrix was very, very relevant, and it was used for

683
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: curriculums literally to teach about Jesus and being what it

684
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: looks like to have a savior and being unplugged, so

685
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: getting out of the secular world into the Christian world

686
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: and what that really looks like like it really made

687
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: a flip. And when I was reading about these things,

688
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: they said, there's thousands upon thousands of essays based on

689
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: these movies. To the point that the writer, I think

690
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: it was the box writer, that we're gonna talk about

691
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: a minute, so they couldn't find all of them, and

692
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: it was just like a very rough like look to it.

693
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: And of course it has. It has been translated into

694
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: so many whether it's conspiracy theories and or awakening ideas

695
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: and or any of these things. It has led to

696
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: a lot of reckoning within our culture, to the point

697
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: that the Matrix is literally people know what you're referring to?

698
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: Are we in the Matrix? Yeah? They had a huge

699
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: cultural impact. I mean, if if you somehow missed it, listeners,

700
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: everyone was quoting them. Everyone was doing the bullet time

701
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: stince discussing what they meant if it was possible we

702
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: were living in a computer simulation. It changed film technology

703
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and film at large when they came out. These did

704
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: come out when we were slowly getting more and more people.

705
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: We'd had the Internet in our homes for a while,

706
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: more and more people had computers or phones. It was

707
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: like technologically kind of happening alongside, and we did have

708
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: these questions. So the commentary on the DVD for The

709
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Matrix is the most awkward commentary I've ever heard. I

710
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: don't normally listen to DVD commentaries, but like I said,

711
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan. And it was between like

712
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: the special effects guy who came up with bullet Time

713
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: and one of the producers and they got in like

714
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: a fight in the middle and there was just silence

715
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes. So if you want to if

716
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: you love that awkwardness, that's for you. But it's it's intense.

717
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And then the producer tried to make amends and he

718
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: was like, I like that effect, and the guy was like, anyway,

719
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: in this new movie, there is a whole scene where

720
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: there's a brainstorming session where they asked, like what did

721
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: people like about the matrix and they you know, say

722
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: like bullet time or the big fight scenes, or that

723
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: it messed with your head, or that it was about

724
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: trans rights. And that has been one of the conversations

725
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: around these because when we're looking at, you know, directly

726
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: or not how people interpreted this um some people did think,

727
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's trans politics and you know the dead

728
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: naming real name when Neo says like, my name is Neo.

729
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: And after Lana and Lily transition, this became a really

730
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: popular interpretation of the meaning of the first three, which

731
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: is directly commented on in the meta First act of

732
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: Resurrections when the developer says, like, yes, the Matrix was

733
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: about trans politics. The characters switch was written as trans

734
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: in the first movie, but the depiction was changed at

735
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: the last minute because the studio was confused. And in

736
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: the documentary Disclosure, Lily Wachowski said, the Matrix was all

737
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: about the desire for transformation, but it was all coming

738
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: from a closeted point of view. That was a huge

739
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: deal and coming a lot later, we kind of had

740
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: this conversation you and because when it came out it

741
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: was the Watowski brothers um and I was like, huh,

742
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: how does the sport because they made a huge name

743
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: for themselves and both of them transition. Of course, it

744
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: was a few years apart when they came out it's

745
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: beautiful and I'm like, well, this is amazing. I love

746
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: claiming this for the trans community because it really does

747
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: feel like, huh, there's a lot to be said when

748
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: you see the background. Now. Of course I don't think

749
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: they did say this, but I don't think they tried

750
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: to push that as what they were trying to say.

751
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: To the point, like there has been an argument about

752
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: who's claiming the movie for what it was, and of course,

753
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: being from that religious background, seeing this now, I'm not

754
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna lie, I smile knowing that they were wrong. Yeah. Well,

755
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: it's funny because they've both been pretty outspoken about how

756
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: it kind of annoys them when people are so like,

757
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: what does the matrix mean? Um, and all all of

758
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: these examinations into it, and I think it's funny that

759
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: they sort of well they talk about it at the

760
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: beginning of resurrections of I think somebody says like, I

761
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to have to have

762
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: a syllables to understand this game, but it is. Yeah, yeah,

763
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't interesting. How let me put this when I

764
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: said they were wrong, I mean the Christian world was wrong,

765
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: but that that narrative, not the trance community, the narrative

766
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: of the Christian because I think I said that weirdly.

767
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, yeah, And then we're gonna

768
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: have returned to that in a second, because that's another

769
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: thing that I think it's been very frustrating as how

770
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: this has been co opted and completely used in a

771
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: way that was not the intent. Right, there are several

772
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: conversations around binary in in this new one, and even

773
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: if it comes down to the pill, you know, the

774
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: red or the blue. There's also the casting of two

775
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: gay men, Groff and Harris, as villains. While there's been

776
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: a very long and troubled history of having queer coded villains,

777
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: this choice seems very purposeful for Smith. Some of you

778
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Hugo weavings betrayal of him in the original. That's sort

779
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: of a closeted like Preacher, a priest kind of thing,

780
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: self loathing, very conversion therapy type, like he just loves Yeah,

781
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: he hates himself. It's like dripping off of him. He's

782
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: always trying to squash anything outside of the accepted quote

783
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: natural order in resurrections. Many interpreted Groff is playing him

784
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: as out of the closet um and there are many

785
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: lines directly commenting on Neo and Agent smith shipping, which, well,

786
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: I that's when I was thinking of that video game

787
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: I am the alphits here. Omega's a different with the

788
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: fan fiction world now, oh dear, oh dear, oh nearro dear,

789
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: an infinite space thing, but maybe not come on, but

790
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: kind of going back to your point. They've also the

791
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Witchaskis have also said, while like the reading of trans

792
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: rights and trance politics is you know, definitely part of it.

793
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: It's not it was like meant to be, not just that,

794
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: like also gay men also, like you know, everybody under

795
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: the queer umbrella, but that it was purposeful the the

796
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: casting choice here and including gay men because as the

797
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: audience we know, you know all these are two very

798
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: well known gay men. Some even think that having the

799
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: game series the matrix in the movie symbolized rainbow capitalism

800
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: are performative LGBTQ plus ally ship, which I thought was

801
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting interpretation the original movies they really did

802
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: believe in like that was a statement against capitalism in itself,

803
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: like they to that point, and I'm like, oh, and

804
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: as a high school are coming into college, I didn't

805
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: understand capitalism as it is, like what why are we

806
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: raging against capitalism? It just not a very communist like

807
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: type of talk, which you know we've grown. And I'm like, oh,

808
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get the impact.

809
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: But at that point then that's not what I saw.

810
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: Of course, again, movies like this fit to your narrative

811
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: oftentimes it's speaks to you in that point in of view.

812
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: So for me, it was not necessarily about capitalism. But

813
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: looking back, it was it was a conversation about who

814
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: controls what and how it's controlled, and who owns what

815
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: and who's allowed what. Yes, which is a great segue

816
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: into what we need to talk about now, which is

817
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: this whole red pill um choice and systems of control.

818
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: So these movies do look at various systems of control,

819
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: whether it is capitalism or whether it is you know,

820
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: machines or drudgery or what have you. Family for women,

821
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: for example, medication therapy. Though the messages that these things

822
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: are bad, it is that if they consume you, if

823
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: you can't look beyond anything else, that's bad. Another is

824
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: rebellion in itself at how these acts get co opted

825
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: in a capitalist system and lose their meaning or even

826
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: used to further control people. And we've talked about that

827
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: with feminism before, how companies don't have good feminist track records,

828
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: but they'll still sell stuff to make money off of feminism, right,

829
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, we could add religion into there

830
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: as well, because there was that interpretation and that kind

831
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: of as you said, not everyone believes Neo was the one,

832
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: and then for the architect to say, how you're just

833
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: another system of control. That's interesting. I mean, this definitely

834
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: goes back to what our fellow watcher was talking about

835
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: with his own experience and feeling like the cult and

836
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: being part of this system, and him like seeing this

837
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: and really enlightening him to leave what he considered a

838
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: cult and finding his own way. Again though, it's really

839
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I saw the flip of trying

840
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: to convert people into their belief system so again, because

841
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: that would be morphous. Morpheus is the prophet who's trying

842
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: to bring it in. Neo could have been the one.

843
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I think the idea that not only was Neo the

844
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: one that was essentially Morpheus becomes kind of a godlike

845
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: in themselves and when he becomes ahead of all of

846
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: the things, so a lot of conversations to be had

847
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: and whether and also Smith taking over all of those

848
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: others becoming his own god or savior. Yeah, one of

849
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: the things I would love to talk about at length,

850
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: but we don't have the time now. But one I

851
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: was really influenced by how these movies explained choice um

852
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: and destiny and fate should also be another another thing

853
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: of control, but I don't know. It just really influenced

854
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: how I how I think about that whole thing. But yeah,

855
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: um so, as you said, people will a lot of

856
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: stories like this, especially if it involves like I would say,

857
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: like feelings of disempowerment and rebellion. People will see it

858
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: and make sense of it in their in their lives

859
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: and how they view it. And one of those we

860
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: have seen from these movies is the whole idea of

861
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: the red pill when it comes to like end cells

862
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: or just you know, groups like don't that don't like women.

863
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: So in this new one they comment on that too.

864
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: There's discussion of sheeople conspiracy theories, how people believe anything,

865
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: all right, Matrix fans, it's definitely implied that the people

866
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: are the people who who are believe these conspiracy theories. Yeah,

867
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: there is a definitely not so subtle simmering rage and

868
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: condemnation of Red Pill all writers. We couldn't should do

869
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: a whole episode on this, but briefly in the Matrix, yes,

870
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: taking in the blue pill means staying in a false reality.

871
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Taking the red one means waking up, and the Wachowskis

872
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: were inspired by a scene in total recall for all

873
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: of this. Taking the Red pill also implied you got

874
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: cool fighting skills. Um, you've got to take on the man.

875
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: As the Internet and technology and concerns about AI became

876
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: more ubiquitous, it got co opted by bad faith Internet

877
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: people to mean waking up from the lies of liberalism

878
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: and democracy. The answer is fascism and hating women in

879
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: their eyes, and that you you wake up to see

880
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: that women are working against you and it's all rigged,

881
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: some systems against you. The Reddit page are slash red

882
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: pill went up in twenty twelve, though the term red

883
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: pill appilled in m R A in a post that

884
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: um contained this comment m r A being Men's right activists,

885
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: UM quote, women are the natural enemies of men, no

886
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: matter what anyone says and how good women claim to be.

887
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: That is just the truth. This will never stop, and

888
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: men will continue under the tyranny of women. Our slash

889
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: red Pill had three hundred thousand followers. The founder was

890
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: a Republican lawmaker named Robert Fisher, who once said every

891
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: woman wants to be attractive enough to be raped. So gross,

892
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: All of this is so gross. Um in. Elon Musk

893
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: tweeted take the red Pill, to which Ivanka Trump responded

894
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: taken and Lily, would you ask you responded. By the way,

895
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: when I was researching this, at one point someone claimed,

896
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he did it with a

897
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: plant or what, but Elon Musk was the neo as

898
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: in like he would be the one, the one women,

899
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is the biggest who who? Who said this?

900
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: And why? Why are you trying to ruin such an

901
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: amazing character with this? Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's the thing,

902
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: and it's just so tragic and frustrating. I can imagine

903
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: to have it like your work taken and us in

904
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: a way that is antithetical to who you are. He

905
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: would be the agent smith, he would be the architects

906
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: in this thing. What are y'all talking about? Right? Right?

907
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: And it's so commonplace, like to hear there's a documentary

908
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: about it. People use it in all kinds of parlance.

909
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: Is terms of phrase. Joe Rogan recently said, I took

910
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: iver mecton and it's part of my red pill regimen.

911
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: Is he drinking his own? Now? Oh lord, I don't know.

912
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Just stay away from that, go ahead, and yeah, yeah,

913
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: as I was saying, more than scuff of this podcast.

914
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: But there's also a red Pill Black, which is a

915
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: YouTube channel by Candice Owens about anti liberal ideas around

916
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: black people. She made a big deal when she befriended

917
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Connie she founded the organization. Yeah, it was ugly. And

918
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: when we were talking about red Pill black I said

919
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: black Pill, which we kind of mentioned earlier on another

920
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: episode in which they have taken the red pill, blue pill,

921
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: black pill, and black Pill has become a force of violence,

922
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: essentially taking down women by violence. And I was like, Wow,

923
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: that's a trend. And not only did they one up

924
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: what was already being completely tainted, uh and what was well?

925
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the super and we talked

926
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: about it because they don't overtly say it in the

927
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: new movie about who is the one that's taking the

928
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: red pill? So either side just kind of like the

929
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: original movies when it was the religious non religious either

930
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: so I could say I'm the hero in this movie,

931
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm the right one in this movie because it was

932
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: never forced, like said out loud, which they shouldn't honestly

933
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: as a movie in something that's like you can't necessarily

934
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: lead the audience too much like that, I guess for

935
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: like a movie like Made Weaks, which already has the

936
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: conspiracy whatever they don't want to tell you the conspiracy.

937
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: You need to choose that for yourself. But it has

938
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: spawned so much so the black Pill has been created

939
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: as a whole other level in several different interpretations, And

940
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: the one that we mentioned in our TikTok episode was this,

941
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: which is really concerning because they're making this even worse,

942
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: like why, Yeah, it is very very concerning. And also

943
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: a point that you made in there that I think

944
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: is important is I just feel like we're seeing a

945
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: trend of mostly angry white dudes who feel like they

946
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: for some reason have been um limited in what they

947
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: can do. Are like everything that's gone wrong in their

948
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: life is because the system is against us, and that

949
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: being you know, like women, whatever it is. But it's

950
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: almost the level of LARPing and playing a game and

951
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: envisioning yourself as the hero um, which is very very

952
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: scary because that can lead to a lot of violence

953
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: and if you think, you know, you're the hero for

954
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: fighting against this system, it's just I think like the

955
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: insurrection at the Capital had that layer of it too,

956
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: people think, oh, I am the hero in this story

957
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: because I'm fighting against the system, And they also did

958
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of the rhetoric with the Red film

959
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: h and conspiracy theories as well. Yeah, so moving on,

960
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: we did want to talk about trauma because again, women

961
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: and marginalized folks experience higher levels of trauma, and certainly

962
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: if you're taking the trans politics reading of this, there's

963
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. There's a lot of

964
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: dead naming. So in the new one, you get to

965
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: see Neo's reaction to realizing he is once again trapped

966
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: in a virtual reality, which is juxtaposed against disconcerting differences

967
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: like different actors playing the characters of Morpheus and Smith

968
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: Um that make this very upsetting and confusing experience for him.

969
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: There are flashbacks, and even if painful for you know,

970
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: sometimes these feel more real, though he fictionalizes some of

971
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: the most painful memories as something from a video game.

972
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: After the first encounter at the office with Morpheus and Smith,

973
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Neo appears in his therapist office and he's breathing heavily,

974
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: he's clutching his genes. He's using these grounding techniques that

975
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: we've talked about, trying to grasp what is real, what

976
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: is past, and what is present. As the audience, we

977
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: are as confused as Neo Um at this juncture. Was

978
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: it all a mental break? Is the matrix real? However,

979
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: the therapist slash analyst is dismissive and controlling, kind of

980
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: like experiences we've talked about of what how damaging it

981
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: can be if you find a really bad therapist from

982
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Emily vander Werf at vox and I hope I didn't

983
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: butcher your name quote, So let me pose it this

984
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: the matrix directions use of trauma as a seemingly trendy

985
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: buzzword is similarly in conversation with modern blockbuster culture. The

986
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: analyst invocation of trauma isn't meant as a strike against

987
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: the concept of trauma as one that blinds us to

988
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: the true nature of reality. It's a strike against any

989
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: one who would use trauma as an all purpose boogeyman.

990
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: It's a strike against trauma as a cheap storytelling device.

991
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: If we fans demand that our favorite characters return again

992
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: and again, then we never afford them any sort of

993
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: final peace or closure. We are asking them to constantly

994
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: relive their own worst moments the names of our entertainment.

995
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: We are inadvertently trapping them in a trauma spiral, and

996
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: then in stories that insist you can confront your trauma

997
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: and blow it up if you're sufficiently motivated. What's more,

998
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: the Analyst reveals late in the film that he recovered

999
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: Neo in Trinity's dead bodies and rebuilt them. He's the

1000
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: one who literally resurrected them. If we're talking about super fans,

1001
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: trapping characters and traumatic spirals, then the Analyst does that

1002
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: very thing with Neo and Trinity. He doesn't allow them

1003
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: even the closure of death. He resurrects them and forces

1004
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: them into the roles he likes best, ineffectual drones who

1005
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: are forever yearning to be together but never quite connecting.

1006
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: A new character played by Jessica Henwick, the super Rads

1007
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: ship Captain Bugs, who rescues a hero from the Matrix,

1008
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: isn't textually a mental health professional, but she serves as

1009
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: a mirror image of the analyst. She too is a

1010
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: Matrix fan, but she's a Matrix fan who wants to

1011
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: help me know, move on to another phase of his

1012
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: story and its life. She wants him to change and

1013
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: be capable of change. We can want that for him

1014
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: to well, I love that because we've talked about that

1015
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot about you know, I'm about to see screen five,

1016
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she's never gonna live a happy life

1017
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: as long as we're making these movies happy, and I

1018
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: want her to be happy. It's true, you know, I

1019
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: did think too, as I was saying from our beginning

1020
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: of describing all the movies, that she is at the

1021
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: beginning of this movie as the window washer. So I

1022
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: really feel like they did a parallel and making sure

1023
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: you had those two perspective because now he's not afraid

1024
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: of heis he trying to jump off but doesn't. The

1025
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: window washer watches and is unplugged. Because of that, that

1026
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: felt like very like on point to the which houses

1027
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: and what they would do, and that's how they introduced her,

1028
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: and she is now the Captain UM and her and

1029
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: Niobe are at odds because Niobe has now become more

1030
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: like the commander who she was at odds with so

1031
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: oftentimes and no longer believed. So there were so many

1032
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: things to that that I was like, it really does

1033
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: they do a good job of layering. They really do

1034
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: a good job of honoring UH these different UH players

1035
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: in the old School. Although there was something like controversy

1036
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: about where all the old characters and so a few

1037
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: of them saying, we didn't know this was happening. Congratulations,

1038
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: I guess essentially, but I think they did it really

1039
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: well and it makes sense to this point. And also

1040
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: with us, I did think it was important that we

1041
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: talked about the savior versus community, because one thing that

1042
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: can and has been co opted a lot is the

1043
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: idea of saviors or the one. Like almost every adventure

1044
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: movie we have it that one that is prophesied are

1045
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: the one which is the whole of the first movie,

1046
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: which is what we see with the Matrix. But I

1047
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: did love the other two, and in that same box

1048
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: article they mentioned loving the two just as much and

1049
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: having a while I to be like, calm down, calm down,

1050
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: don't hate me, because I really like these But because

1051
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: of what it was doing, with the fact that it

1052
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: was the community and it was a larger theme of

1053
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,959
Speaker 1: battling it together, it really couldn't be just the one.

1054
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: They had to do it together or it would have

1055
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: all failed. Um and I I like that in the

1056
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: second and the third one, and they talk about the

1057
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: captains and the council who are part of the decision

1058
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: making holding things at bay Um. I also loved the

1059
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: little guy saving the day, the dude who was a

1060
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: sixteen year old that was idolized Neo but became one

1061
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: on his own and really took up the mantle to

1062
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: save the day because he was so grateful to be free.

1063
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: And then of course we have the trio the Trinity,

1064
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: Morpheus and Sarah coming in to rescue Neo. And that's

1065
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: the other part to that that I really did love

1066
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: is that Trinity is oftentimes rescuing him as much as

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Speaker 1: she is rescuing her, and I think that needs to

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Speaker 1: be said. I also do love the turn, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this a minute in the New One where

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Speaker 1: she becomes the one. Yeah, so let's talk about that,

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Speaker 1: because Trinity, there's a lot of like speaking of red

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Speaker 1: pills in this New Matrix. She is called Tiffany, she

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Speaker 1: has kids, she's married to a guy named Chad, which

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Speaker 1: is very in cell name. I was like, uh huh,

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Speaker 1: see what you did there. And she just has a

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting character notes where like there's at one

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Speaker 1: point where she talks about how her husband laughed at

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Speaker 1: her um at her observation that she was like Trinity

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Speaker 1: in this game, and he was laughing as if you know,

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Speaker 1: never you could never be and how angry that made her.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of sexist language used against her

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Speaker 1: by the analyst who says, like, why did you heal

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Speaker 1: for a bit? For so long? He says, Tonio, can't

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Speaker 1: you control her? Women used to be so much easier

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Speaker 1: to control all of these things, And it was It

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Speaker 1: was nice because I've always like, we're watching him, I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I loved Trinity. She was so awesome. Um, she's so badass,

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Speaker 1: Like it's never a question. She is awesome and she's

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Speaker 1: captain And I love that scene where she's like telling

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Speaker 1: Neo like, if you don't like it, you can go

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Speaker 1: to Hell. I'm the captain here, right, I'm going. But

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Speaker 1: I also think it's really interesting and I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: see kind of this progression that in the first one,

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Speaker 1: the whole her whole Oracle thing is essentially like this guy,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna fall in love with this guy and that's

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Speaker 1: gonna kind of seal his fate, and so she's sort

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Speaker 1: of defined like through loving Neo, which is at their core.

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Speaker 1: I think these are like romance. Actually, they're very romantic. Well,

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Speaker 1: the whole sequence with the architect and the second movie

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Speaker 1: is the basis and the trivial nous of human emotion

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Speaker 1: and love and love being the crux of destruction, which

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Speaker 1: again it's kind of also the themes in many adventure

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Speaker 1: movies such as this. You see that same level of

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Speaker 1: like the level save you love, you'll save you, which

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Speaker 1: is a nice thought. But I also think that I

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Speaker 1: do love that in this third one she has the

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Speaker 1: idyllic life, but that's not what she wanted. Um and

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Speaker 1: and and it can resonate for many who I thought

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Speaker 1: this is what they wanted, but maybe it wasn't and

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Speaker 1: not seeing themselves, not seeing themselves fully. And I think

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Speaker 1: it also says to something about trans women who are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure themselves out and finding that perfect life

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Speaker 1: and then realizing that's not what they wanted either. Because

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, the Wachowskis were successful, uh and as

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Speaker 1: technically as men, probably had a lot more opportunities given

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Speaker 1: to them because they were seeing as white men, and

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Speaker 1: we know when it comes to the hierarchy of who

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Speaker 1: has more power, but now coming out as trans, you know,

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Speaker 1: has a whole different point of view, and it's disrupts

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Speaker 1: there there what would be idyllic life to this new

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Speaker 1: found place of finding themselves again and knowing though that

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Speaker 1: idyllic life wasn't what they wanted and so this it

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Speaker 1: wasn't satisfying. And I feel like that could be a

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Speaker 1: conversation in itself, which she does nicely, literally does nicely,

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Speaker 1: and this portion of a scene, I think it reflects

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Speaker 1: on her a little bit. Maybe I'm projecting, but I

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Speaker 1: also like how that the first movie versus the two

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Speaker 1: and three, so we're trying to find the one, and

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Speaker 1: so her role is a guardian protector and she is

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Speaker 1: badass ready there she's the one that's pulling him in

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Speaker 1: and and and really mentoring him. And then the second

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Speaker 1: and third one she kind of lies in the background

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Speaker 1: as as like the the love interest, not really because

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Speaker 1: she still does badass moves like that that you know,

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Speaker 1: car City Chase, all of that, but still is like

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Speaker 1: it's about her and him and her trying to find

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Speaker 1: him and making sure he's in, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: right place and right time. And then we come back

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Speaker 1: in the fourth where they're trying to find her and

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Speaker 1: she is the missing link and she is the one

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Speaker 1: that's got that. So I do like that flip a

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Speaker 1: lot I am imagining half the criticism is coming from

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Speaker 1: men who are like, yeah, but I mean, neo, he's

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Speaker 1: the one, why why would he? You know, really hating

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Speaker 1: that portion of this, but again like I love the

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Speaker 1: fact that yes, not only Asian one, but they are partners.

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Speaker 1: We are back to this and she's ready to go.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah. I like the their their partners and they're

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Speaker 1: both so are so badass and together they're gonna fly

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: off and faint rainbows into the matrix. It is implied

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: also that whole like prophecy of loving somebody gave me

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Speaker 1: what I think is one of my best stories I've

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Speaker 1: ever written. And maybe we'll get to it on the

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Speaker 1: Spin depiction one day, but for now, Wow, what a journey.

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Speaker 1: There's so much we could expand on and here definitely

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Speaker 1: a lot of things going on. So listeners, you've got

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Speaker 1: any suggestions, things you would like us to talk about more,

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always, you are a superproducer. Christina. Oh yeah,

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