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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Well, quite a bit has happened since
Speaker 1: we last conte here inside the s WBC podcast studio.
Speaker 1: And I know all of you get all of your
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Speaker 1: bit of it, and so you tune in each week
Speaker 1: just to find out what's going on. And so if
Speaker 1: you've been listening to mix shots from last Monday, over
Speaker 1: and over the past week, we are here to fill
Speaker 1: you in on everything that's gone on in the last week.
Speaker 1: And we could we could have an eight hour show
Speaker 1: today to wrap up what's gone on the last seven night.
Speaker 1: I was going to suggest we go backwards since since uh,
Speaker 1: everything hit the fan after we felt what was going
Speaker 1: to hit the fan, Yeah, I decided to use everything
Speaker 1: instead of us or or what you hear in some
Speaker 1: postgame interviews in the NCAA tournament, like from the from
Speaker 1: the Gonzaga Star from here, Drew Timmy last night he
Speaker 1: was dropping bombs. Yeah. J J. Pierce he was dropping
Speaker 1: bombs after in the game and after in the game too.
Speaker 1: By the way, when they had the mic was too
Speaker 1: close to the to the game. Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: Now here was a postgame interviews? He purpose? I mean
Speaker 1: he it just is you know how they talk over J. J. Pierce? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: J Pierce has been bullied out, Yeah, the school district.
Speaker 1: Sure he gets a fully down the court. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he's only done it for about eight years. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: long is this gonna play? It's gotta be. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he could have been in last year and he
Speaker 1: decided to come back. That's true. Yea so good decision
Speaker 1: by him too, because I think he upped his value
Speaker 1: for an NBA team, but not as a personal speaker maybe,
Speaker 1: well no, no, no, yeah, you want him to try speak.
Speaker 1: That's what we want, right, let's not criticize anybody. And
Speaker 1: the game was on TBS or TNT, it wasn't on CBS.
Speaker 1: What don't that mean no one heard him? You no, no,
Speaker 1: it's cable and so you can Yeah, we have turned
Speaker 1: into this nice That's why by these days to where
Speaker 1: we can just curse. And that's why barklaying it can
Speaker 1: be on T and T, but we put him on CBS.
Speaker 1: Everybody's not happy with Barkley. Oh anywhere? Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So if we're gonna start backward, anything happened this morning.
Speaker 1: I have not seen anything other than supposedly bringing in
Speaker 1: some guys for physical or I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a workout or what. But they're lower level free All
Speaker 1: run it down, baby, run, Yeah, what we got going on?
Speaker 1: I want to lower level free agents might start for
Speaker 1: this team. Well, you never know, you know. Sometimes he
Speaker 1: missed space. That's okay, So he only wants to talk
Speaker 1: about the higher level free agents or the higher level
Speaker 1: players that have come over in trade. I'm all right.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he wasn't here when I came out as
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. I'm so glad I wasn't here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would never get an interview from him. Never he's
Speaker 1: that's a lower level player, lower level player. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: even draft lower level salary. Oh we're talking. O're not talking, okay, guys, right,
Speaker 1: we're talking the Jay Ryan curses of them. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was only that they turned out to be the Leady
Speaker 1: Tatler on the team one year, and so so as
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. And now is he now no longer a
Speaker 1: lower level player? He was a priority? About Cooper Rush?
Speaker 1: Is he a lower level player or a priority? Yeah? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But his salary? So if if they don't sign Travan
Speaker 1: Howard horn Frog, right, I don't think they're gonna say, oh,
Speaker 1: there goes the season. Okay, right, Jay will if someone
Speaker 1: goes down with an injury and he's got to start
Speaker 1: for you, he won't. He don't. He doesn't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be got Damon Clark. They do, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So they don't have bought all that played that up
Speaker 1: with Brandy Cooks as the new cow man. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. What did you guys think of that?
Speaker 1: You know, I've always liked him, I really have. But
Speaker 1: when you look at the resume, you wonder why so
Speaker 1: many teams? Right, you wonder why so many teams in
Speaker 1: such a short period of time? Number one, But you
Speaker 1: give him credit for producing on all of those teams
Speaker 1: with some pretty shady quarterbacks. So you're looking at a
Speaker 1: thousand yards what for six years? I think it was
Speaker 1: six of the previous seven. Seven. That's that's that's pretty
Speaker 1: good for someone. And he's under the radar still. Who's
Speaker 1: on his fifteam? Is that? I mean, so that that
Speaker 1: might give me pause. It might give me pause, But
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure Steven has has done his due diligence.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different ways you can look at it.
Speaker 1: He's case this is his fifth team. Well, that means
Speaker 1: that five teams have wanted him two well, and and
Speaker 1: the majority of them have been trades. I believe every
Speaker 1: one of them was. He got traded from New Orleans
Speaker 1: to New England. New England traded him to the Rams,
Speaker 1: the Rams traded him to Houston, and now Houston he
Speaker 1: gets him to the Cowboys. He got traded before he
Speaker 1: was drafted. Wow the spot. He was traded by the
Speaker 1: Cardinals as a twenty fourteen first round pick to the Saints,
Speaker 1: who then selected Brandon Cooks. So I mean that was
Speaker 1: a sign. Now, that's a sign you're going to be
Speaker 1: traded a lot of your career. You just were picked
Speaker 1: by a team that just traded for years. With his
Speaker 1: years with the Saints weren't bad, they just decided not
Speaker 1: to pick up his fifty year option. And then when
Speaker 1: he was the one year in New England. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, who was the quarterback? Was his career year.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to the Rams. He was only
Speaker 1: there two years. It was golf, but he got to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Uh, And he went to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl with New England, by the way, and then he
Speaker 1: goes to Houston. And who was throwing him the ball
Speaker 1: last year? Well, who was supposed to be throwing him
Speaker 1: the ball when he went to Houston? Yeah, right, so
Speaker 1: say it was there, you go. Yeah, So because it
Speaker 1: was April of twenty twenty, he was traded and that
Speaker 1: was so Houston deals Hopkins and so now they got
Speaker 1: Cooks coming in. So he was the guy that was
Speaker 1: basically replacing Hopkins, right, and then last year's and then
Speaker 1: he wanted out because of the mess that they're right
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys actually, and we talked about it here
Speaker 1: that that you know you're looking at bettering guys. Then
Speaker 1: you know we're sitting there going, okay, they can add somebody,
Speaker 1: and they and they didn't trade him. They kept him.
Speaker 1: It was cost prohibitive as far as his contract for
Speaker 1: any team after he wanted out and they didn't trade him,
Speaker 1: They capon sized him. He was a captain and they
Speaker 1: took it away. Well, it was the way I understand
Speaker 1: it is. Going into the season, they were on great terms,
Speaker 1: you know, and then things went sour, you know, halfway
Speaker 1: through the season. And I think that they basically had
Speaker 1: an agreement if things do go south, okay, we'll movie
Speaker 1: at mid season. And then his contract was such that
Speaker 1: he couldn't be taken on by any Well, here's why
Speaker 1: they signed him to a two year extension that would
Speaker 1: I believe start this year thirty nine point seven to
Speaker 1: six million dollars, so with a sixteen million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: So he made his money right, and this year he
Speaker 1: had an eighteen million dollars base salary. So part of
Speaker 1: the trade was not only the Cowboys given them this
Speaker 1: year's fifth which was I believe that the other compensatory
Speaker 1: pick because they didn't have a fifth, right right, am
Speaker 1: I right? And sixth next year. But Houston agreed to
Speaker 1: pay six million of his eighteen million dollars guaranteed base salary. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they accounted for that. So the Cowboys are on
Speaker 1: the books for twelve million plus roster bonus, so that
Speaker 1: helped get the trade done that they took up some
Speaker 1: of that money. Here's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: They're paying the full eighteen million dollars at Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: is out, and the Texans are picking up the six
Speaker 1: million dollars salary cap hit that Zeke Elliott counts. It's
Speaker 1: the cap this year. But but he's a June He's
Speaker 1: a June one release, right, remember that, and it's six
Speaker 1: five point eight. Yeah, wow, there you go. But they
Speaker 1: don't get his base salary until June's second, like get
Speaker 1: the ten point nine million back into their cap. So
Speaker 1: it's like a savings account. How many months for a
Speaker 1: four month of CD because then they can use that
Speaker 1: money to pay for their draft, which now without those
Speaker 1: two other picks, I think it's around seven and a
Speaker 1: half million, So it's like a savings account that they
Speaker 1: can sign those guys for their rookie pool. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you look at his career, I mean
Speaker 1: obviously any player has gone to more than one team.
Speaker 1: When you get to that other team, you know you've
Speaker 1: you got something to prove. You have to go into
Speaker 1: the locker room, let them know you that player. Let
Speaker 1: them know that they can depend on you, and then
Speaker 1: once you get out on the field, of course you
Speaker 1: have to produce. Right, He's done that four or five
Speaker 1: or six different teams, and that's the testament to him
Speaker 1: and how mentally strong he is. And that's something you say,
Speaker 1: look at it several ways. A couple of ways, why
Speaker 1: is he on so many teams? That could be a problem,
Speaker 1: But the fact that he went to all of those
Speaker 1: teams and he produced, okay, a thousand yards for five seasons,
Speaker 1: that's tough. That lets you know that he is a professional,
Speaker 1: if nothing else, and that's what we need on this team,
Speaker 1: almost like a Marty, you know, you want that guy
Speaker 1: that's a professional. No matter what goes on around him,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be you a consistent thermometers of the speak
Speaker 1: and he was the year that he was acquired by
Speaker 1: the Texans. Watson was his quarterback that year and eighty
Speaker 1: one catches eleven hundred and fifty yards and six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Right the next year, Watson's not the quarterback. Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: starts the season and then Davis Mills takes over and
Speaker 1: started eleven games. Tyrod Taylor started six games last year
Speaker 1: or in twenty twenty one for them, and he had
Speaker 1: ninety catches, a thousand yards and six usdowns and so
Speaker 1: it was almost the exact same numbers as what he
Speaker 1: had with Watson as his quarterback the year before. And
Speaker 1: that's with Taylor and a rookie, he's got to be obviously,
Speaker 1: he's he's quarterback friendly and that's what you want. Well,
Speaker 1: and he fits exactly what the Cowboys need. I mean
Speaker 1: when you look at what was out there as far
Speaker 1: as Odell Beckham junior and anyone, and Adam Feeling was
Speaker 1: a free agent out there, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's Um who was a little bit older, But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's coincidental that Adam Feeling immediately signed
Speaker 1: with Carolina after this trade happened. And so it makes
Speaker 1: you wonder, Okay, how much were the Cowboys in conversations
Speaker 1: with Delon's people Um as well. But and but you
Speaker 1: look at the way they fit into the offense, and
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Cooks is the guy because they can
Speaker 1: play him in the slot more so than you would
Speaker 1: use Gallop in the slot or even Tolbert in the slot.
Speaker 1: And the good thing is is, even though there's another
Speaker 1: year on his contract. If it doesn't work out, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can move on and it doesn't cost him a
Speaker 1: dime because they Houston had to take care of all
Speaker 1: the guarantees. Yes, and by the way, you know, you wonder, okay,
Speaker 1: what kind of guy is he when he's going from
Speaker 1: one team to the next team to the next team. Well,
Speaker 1: I heard one of the beat writers I don't recall
Speaker 1: who it was in Houston remarked yesterday that in all
Speaker 1: his twenty eight years covering the NFL, Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 1: one of the one of the best guys that he's
Speaker 1: he's got, So he's kind of like, has that makeup
Speaker 1: that t Y Hilton had. I mean, you were sawing
Speaker 1: with Ty when he came in here, and and and
Speaker 1: the other thing is, now this really totally opens up
Speaker 1: the draft, right, It's not like I gotta have a
Speaker 1: white research right, right. You know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: We went on a little family trip to Broken Bow
Speaker 1: over into spring break, and so the rest of the
Speaker 1: family had gone ahead. I had some work to do here,
Speaker 1: and so I went on Friday to join them. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing in my head as I'm driving,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm performing the exercise. Okay if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: started the season today, because that's kind of like what
Speaker 1: we've always said going into the draft. You want to
Speaker 1: be able to feel it like if you had to
Speaker 1: play a game on April first, April fifteenth before the draft.
Speaker 1: You want to be able to have a team where
Speaker 1: you don't have to fill in the blanks like you
Speaker 1: could you could play a game with your roster as
Speaker 1: it set right now. So I'm sitting They're going, okay,
Speaker 1: could the Cowboys play a game right now with the
Speaker 1: roster they have? That was before the Brandon cookstrade, and
Speaker 1: I was thinking, now they need a wide receiver. And
Speaker 1: so I'm by myself on the drive back yesterday morning
Speaker 1: and the radio and I hear about the Brandon cookstrade.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, now we can play a gay We
Speaker 1: can play a game. I mean, think about it. If
Speaker 1: you want to do it right. You you've got starters
Speaker 1: on offense that depending on even at tight end you
Speaker 1: can go with Fergus. You can three wide receivers, maybe Ford,
Speaker 1: depending on what Tilbert does the offensive line after restructuring
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, he could be your left tackle if he's
Speaker 1: ready to go Tyler Smith is your left guard, be
Speaker 1: honest or Martin and hopefully steal his back. Well, technically,
Speaker 1: right now, you can't play a game with one running back.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but that because right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have one running back. That opens up the window
Speaker 1: to qualify a running back high in the drive. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: but you could start right but you need somebody, And
Speaker 1: that's why they probably brought in Ronald Jones McKinney. It's
Speaker 1: being reported anyway, for the physical and whatever else they do.
Speaker 1: He's a veteran guy that's been around the block a
Speaker 1: few years um, and at some point they had to
Speaker 1: do that. But in the draft, now you say, I
Speaker 1: got the twenty six pick, and if there's a couple
Speaker 1: running backs available that late, you could actually trade down
Speaker 1: and get one of them. Right. I said, even before
Speaker 1: the Zeke move that you could take a running back
Speaker 1: at twenty six, right, when when you're looking at where
Speaker 1: the second running pick, yeah, right right, and where Pollard
Speaker 1: is too in his career, no one's thinking of veteran
Speaker 1: running back and they are because I mean that's why
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones reported. Fortunately here veteran running backs are out
Speaker 1: of the league. No one wants a veteran running back,
Speaker 1: and guy, we have never I mean, as much as
Speaker 1: we've talked about it, they've never gone in that direction.
Speaker 1: No one's really hadn't even hinted looking at a veteran
Speaker 1: running back. And is that because of them looking at
Speaker 1: one Zeke? And wait, by the way, from what I
Speaker 1: think three people in here that like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: number one. Since we're on Zeke and we'll let's go,
Speaker 1: let's do Zeke in the next segment. But if you want,
Speaker 1: we can do Zeke on the next segment. But um,
Speaker 1: just remember I just wanted to point out and I
Speaker 1: already did, about his money. You don't get that money.
Speaker 1: It's not like they got all this money still in
Speaker 1: the salary cap um. It was Friday, maybe it was.
Speaker 1: It was suggested that they had enough money to do
Speaker 1: something at Wide Receiver, so they were probably already in
Speaker 1: talks with this one. Um. But yeah, yeah, we can
Speaker 1: talk about the Zeke movie. We got Stefan Gilmour to
Speaker 1: get into as well. That's all right. We didn't cover that.
Speaker 1: We didn't cover the guys. No, the guys that resigned,
Speaker 1: did they do that before, like Wilson uh and vanderh
Speaker 1: which was significant to me. Yes, getting those two guys
Speaker 1: that yeahs of last Monday, we those hadn't been done yet.
Speaker 1: And when the restructures for Dak, yes, Zach and then
Speaker 1: Tyrn after that, that opened up a lot of money
Speaker 1: that they could use. Uh and you know you were
Speaker 1: going to some point extend Dak anyway. Um, same thing
Speaker 1: with Zach. You don't have a problem there. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Tyrn restructured his that he can make his money,
Speaker 1: but he's got a play for it, right. That's the
Speaker 1: good thing about him missing so many games last year.
Speaker 1: They were able to restructure his contract this year to
Speaker 1: where they could put playtime incentives in there and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't count against the cap this year. And oh by
Speaker 1: the way, um, and the one that I thought also
Speaker 1: they needed to get done, and they got it done
Speaker 1: um late uh in the week resigning Cooper Rush and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he saw all these other quarterbacks kind of
Speaker 1: moving on and getting signed and he wasn't. Um and
Speaker 1: so getting him back, you know, at the price they did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it was it was minimal right for what
Speaker 1: they ended up. Well, when you saw what Gardner Minshew
Speaker 1: got with the Colts. Uh, and it was some very
Speaker 1: similar contract. Um, and I've got it down here somewhere. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he went to the well they signed Marcus Mariota Mariota
Speaker 1: and actually Mariota fits what they do better than what
Speaker 1: Minshew and Baker Baker Mayfield. Right, Tampa, Tampa, and he
Speaker 1: saw his deal. Yeah, one year, four million dollars. So
Speaker 1: Tampa has no money and people were talking about zero
Speaker 1: Some people are talking about Zeke going to Tampa because
Speaker 1: Skip Pete is there. Well, they are like forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars under the salary cap right now. I'm oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they are. They have no money to spend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks to Tom Brady button he got got his super bow.
Speaker 1: So basically h Cooper Rush ended up with a two year,
Speaker 1: five million dollars max, I mean total with six million
Speaker 1: dollars max. But he's, um, where's his cap? Got it here?
Speaker 1: He's only like two point five million under the cap.
Speaker 1: So for this year one point five million dollars base
Speaker 1: plus his UH bas is guaranteed, Yeah, bas is guaranteed
Speaker 1: and his one point h and then he's got a
Speaker 1: signing bonus also of one point two five million. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's like two million under the cap. How many
Speaker 1: teams is he gonna go to? Who's that Cooper? Right,
Speaker 1: I was talking about Baker Mayfield. Yeah, well, Baker his
Speaker 1: deal now, and what would appeal to him at Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay is this is his make good year. Okay, he
Speaker 1: because there were no teams that he needs to He
Speaker 1: needs to perform for Tampa Bay because people are talking
Speaker 1: about that Kyle Trask, it's a competition between him, and
Speaker 1: there's no competition with Kyle Trask and him. I mean
Speaker 1: traskally one year of college football, and but when you
Speaker 1: sign a one year deal, you basically say, okay, prove
Speaker 1: it right, and then somebody else's say I need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And he looked around the league and Menshew's got one year,
Speaker 1: three and a half million dollars with the Colts and
Speaker 1: they're they have an open position at quarterback right now.
Speaker 1: And so those guys are like, Okay, that's my best
Speaker 1: opportunity to compete for a starting spot and I might
Speaker 1: be able to get my career going again. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: and that's what I was looking at. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the career was was trending upward from the beginning, and
Speaker 1: man this guy talking about Baker Mayfield. This guy has Wow,
Speaker 1: he has really gone through so much, so many teams,
Speaker 1: so many more injuries, so many, but he revived it
Speaker 1: by showing up with the Rams and two days later
Speaker 1: winning a Thursday night game, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: one Thursday night game and all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 1: talked out of the game. Now it's it's quarterbacks. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's not enough yes right, I mean Andy Dalton got
Speaker 1: resigned and nice deal too, yep with Carolina And obviously
Speaker 1: he's going to be the mentor to whoever they draft
Speaker 1: with the first pick in the draft starting until yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's depending on Yeah, so what they decided to
Speaker 1: do with it. So it's a great deal for Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: And in fact it was two years, ten million dollars,
Speaker 1: so he got you can see the what the market
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks were went from day one a free agency.
Speaker 1: Dalton gets two years, ten million dollars, eight guaranteed. So
Speaker 1: that spot in Carolina has now taken. Now, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, everything's dropping for those type quarterbacks, type quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: for those type quarterbacks, and so the market got cut
Speaker 1: in half for Mayfield and the menshoe types where they're
Speaker 1: making half that now, and it's like an entirely different pool.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the upper ECHE line. And I'll
Speaker 1: guarantee you what what Cooper Rush's agent was doing. And
Speaker 1: it sudden, Okay, will any of these quarterbacks that have
Speaker 1: teams that need a starting quarterback give him a chance
Speaker 1: to compete? And obviously they didn't, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just stay here and get some guaranteed money. And
Speaker 1: I wonder why it is maybe I don't have to
Speaker 1: play that would you take Menshoe over Cooper? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Cooper would have a chance. He's
Speaker 1: probably guys problems, but probably what we know we might Yeah,
Speaker 1: but other teams they'll look at him physically. They didn't
Speaker 1: see what six and out there in his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in one year maybe, but even this last season, Minshew's
Speaker 1: stock went down the last three weeks of the season
Speaker 1: because he had an opportunity to start for a super
Speaker 1: Bowl team and didn't win two games. But I'm assuming
Speaker 1: he got drafted, right, Minshew in Cooper Rush to see
Speaker 1: where he was drafted. You know, once you get tagged, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's an undrafted rookie you'll never make it up, buddy.
Speaker 1: It will affect you the rest of your life, not career,
Speaker 1: but life, even into your sixties. It will affect you.
Speaker 1: I never made that, buddy back and Minshew was sixth
Speaker 1: round pick of Jacksonville in twenty nineteen. All right, speak
Speaker 1: we had when we come back guy that was drafted.
Speaker 1: Oh well, there's a couple of guys who were drafted
Speaker 1: in the first round, in top half of the first round,
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Speaker 1: and two that we haven't hit on and gone in
Speaker 1: depth on yet are the trade for Stefan Gilmore and
Speaker 1: the release of Zeke Elliott. Let's do Gilmore in this segment.
Speaker 1: We'll save Zeke for the last second month. All right.
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmore given up a fifth round draft pick for him?
Speaker 1: What do y'all think? I think that's a bargain. That's
Speaker 1: what I think. This guy's top quality, man. I mean
Speaker 1: he's You don't get MVP for nothing, right, defensive MVP
Speaker 1: under Bill Belichick. You're checking all the boxes. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: and you have a chance to bring that guy here
Speaker 1: and have him play with Trey varn This is this
Speaker 1: is the top right now, I mean the top cornerback
Speaker 1: duos in the NFL. Gilmore back in twenty twelve, was
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick, number ten overall of the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. And you look at his career and the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl selections, five of them in his career and
Speaker 1: they have all come since twenty sixteen or twenty sixteen, eighteen, nineteen,
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one. Did not make the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: last year with his one year in Indianapolis, previous year
Speaker 1: in Caroline. Here's another one. He's gone okay, one, two,
Speaker 1: three for this is his fifteen You know what, though,
Speaker 1: you can and as you point out with his Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the year's selection with the Patriots been twenty nineteen. Um,
Speaker 1: you can you could in five Pro Bowls in his
Speaker 1: career if he puts a couple more years together. He's
Speaker 1: in that Canton conversation. Yeah, and to think he is
Speaker 1: only he's got twenty nine career interceptions. He is only
Speaker 1: twenty eight interceptions from person walk good luck better good Yeah,
Speaker 1: but many ever since same after he turned thirty. That
Speaker 1: was my only drawback when I saw it, I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's thirty, he's gonna turn thirty in September. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna know he's turning thirty three thirty
Speaker 1: in September. Yes, he's taking I was thinking of Brandon Cooks. Yes,
Speaker 1: now he's taking out. So when I listened to him
Speaker 1: he did a conference call on Friday, I thought I
Speaker 1: was listening to t Y Hilton. Just the things he said, Yes,
Speaker 1: very mature, um, not bragging. You know, I'm coming here
Speaker 1: to work. I try to improve every year, and sounded
Speaker 1: like he had no problem whatsoever helping the young That's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. He would be invaluable in
Speaker 1: that regard with mcquama, who played cornerback at South Carolina. Right,
Speaker 1: he's a South Carolina guy too, until they put him
Speaker 1: here and not knowing if they will even give um
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown a one year deal coming off as Achilles
Speaker 1: Diggs would have been the most experienced corner going into
Speaker 1: his fourth year. And Jordan Lewis assuming he's by the way,
Speaker 1: and I saw him on the field starting his on
Speaker 1: field workouts, so he's on the way, But that's those
Speaker 1: two guys, darn Bland, right mcquomo. We're talking young guys
Speaker 1: and even digs. But the way he answered the question was,
Speaker 1: I would like to teach them what I didn't know
Speaker 1: when I was young that I learned now. And he's
Speaker 1: got some talented cornerbacks to really mentor right, I mean
Speaker 1: they need if he comes in does his job. You're
Speaker 1: talking about the Cuomo going from potential to reaching it,
Speaker 1: right and and what six to four Yep, that kind
Speaker 1: of potential. I'm sure Gallimore when he comes here, he's
Speaker 1: thinking Gilmore, when he comes here, he's thinking it's gonna
Speaker 1: be my My playing time here is gonna be brief,
Speaker 1: but his impact could last for a long time. Well,
Speaker 1: even along those lines with the contract situation that at
Speaker 1: the cowboy's face with Trayvon going into his contract year, Okay,
Speaker 1: you now have two established cornerbacks who are in contract
Speaker 1: years right on both sides, and then you have two
Speaker 1: options there your third guy, Lewis if Bland doesn't beat
Speaker 1: him out, who led the team, by the way in
Speaker 1: five interceptions last year, and they had him outside. He
Speaker 1: was really good inside. I still think he can play outside,
Speaker 1: but you got some interchangeable partner. That's what you have,
Speaker 1: and interchangeable parts and that's what part I lack about it.
Speaker 1: And the key thing is is so his base, his
Speaker 1: cap hit will be like nine point nine million dollars,
Speaker 1: but again, you're not tied to him if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. You're talking about a cornerback. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: defensive player yet the first cornerback to win that award.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Woodson, Maybe Charles Woodson. I think
Speaker 1: that might It could be either one of us, pretty
Speaker 1: damn yeah, because it always goes to a linebacker or somebody.
Speaker 1: It's very unique for a defensive back, and especially a cornerback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get the MVP for defensive MVP, I think in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two I was close to its strike year.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it had to be almost flawless. And
Speaker 1: when you look at him being playing under Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: in that New England defense, he's bringing a lot of
Speaker 1: knowledge to these young guys and seeing the key thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's my thirty three. Uh. Like the key thing is
Speaker 1: too that they only have to give up a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick for right, it's a fifth, so you kept
Speaker 1: your your draft choice the same with Brandon Cooks a fifth,
Speaker 1: this sixth next, Okay, fine, but I still have those
Speaker 1: first four picks. And then you talk about what a
Speaker 1: veteran like that can bring to the team. He didn't
Speaker 1: just get the MVP because he was picking off interceptions.
Speaker 1: It was because the plays that you talked about doing
Speaker 1: the break you know, the tough uh, the plays that
Speaker 1: stopped the team for moving the chain. He had eleven
Speaker 1: breakups and three of them came on the opponent's five
Speaker 1: final possession of the game to save three of their
Speaker 1: four victories. So that tells you about making plays right.
Speaker 1: And he talked about, you know, the ability to make
Speaker 1: him plays at the right time. Yeah. Yeah. Charles Woodson
Speaker 1: and oh nine as the defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: He was with the Packers cornerback. Okay, go prior to that.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety four, the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Colorado Buffalos. And by the way, know him as the
Speaker 1: head coach. This is how he will be known. And
Speaker 1: that was Atlantic. By the way, it was San Francisco,
Speaker 1: San Francisco Super Bowl. Don't don't remind us San Francisco
Speaker 1: and Rod Woods. Rod Woodson the year before in ninety
Speaker 1: three and looking to see any other corner and then
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nineteen eighty with the Raiders Leicester Leicester sty.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, nineteen seventy five Steelers talk about a
Speaker 1: six four cornerback blunt. Yeah, there you go. The rest
Speaker 1: of the story on cornerbacks. Once again, you came around
Speaker 1: too late one year. Right, I'm still looking. I'm still
Speaker 1: looking up in me with the big cowboy had on
Speaker 1: well in the awards started in nineteen seventy one. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: mel renfro would have wire you go just no, may
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm not there, you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: He could have good, good deal bringing him because because
Speaker 1: by the way, cornerback would have been right up there
Speaker 1: with that white receiver the top three. So they took
Speaker 1: care of two of them right away. And then you're
Speaker 1: talking about with the draft. Yeah, and it still is
Speaker 1: and yeah, right, and you still can't you can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's exactly right. And the other part of
Speaker 1: it is. And I don't think this was coincidental either.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys make the trade for Gilmore. The Eagles
Speaker 1: have a couple of cornerbacks who were either free agents
Speaker 1: or on the about to get the cap casualty list. Say, well,
Speaker 1: James Bradberry, he resigned with the Eagles, and then they
Speaker 1: were the reports were that they were going to release
Speaker 1: Darius Slay and then all of a sudden, they magically
Speaker 1: came up with enough money to resign Darius Slay. Now,
Speaker 1: Darius Slay may have bad in his mind that maybe
Speaker 1: I'll go to the Cowboys, and then they he's pretty good,
Speaker 1: and so as it turned. And the other thing is,
Speaker 1: look at it this way with the Cowboys, what about
Speaker 1: it the trade deadline last year that it was after
Speaker 1: the trade deadline or right at the trade deadline when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys started having their injury issues at cornerback with
Speaker 1: Lewis going down and then Anthony Brown going down. If
Speaker 1: that happened a month earlier, Cowboys might have been in
Speaker 1: the market for a step on Gilmour at the trade
Speaker 1: deadline last year, you know, yeah, because the Colts saw
Speaker 1: where they were, they weren't going anywhere, and they had
Speaker 1: a commodity and so they and basically the other thing
Speaker 1: they did, and this is what teams are starting to do.
Speaker 1: They're putting salary cap priorities on draft choices like I'll
Speaker 1: take this if you take this off my hands, right,
Speaker 1: you take this off my hands, just give me this, right.
Speaker 1: And so you know a guy like that, you'd think
Speaker 1: you'd get a third round pick. But they're looking at
Speaker 1: and go, yeah, but I got to inherit all this
Speaker 1: salary cap space. And so that's what teams and looking
Speaker 1: and looking at his right exactly. So but his his
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten fifteen minute the conference call was
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. So he'll be a really good addition into
Speaker 1: that locker room. Was that the something special that the
Speaker 1: Jerry was talking about at the combine. Don't dismiss us
Speaker 1: doing something special. And we said it in free agency,
Speaker 1: but I would think the Gilmour move and the Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks move that's special. Sea. Yeah. Plus you're you're not
Speaker 1: sitting there bidding basically to try to sign somebody who's
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent, because that's when the money goes up.
Speaker 1: But here you're taking you knew what you were going
Speaker 1: to have to inherit and it's like, okay, if I
Speaker 1: got to inherit all that all you're getting is a
Speaker 1: fifth and they're like, okay, right, So what he said
Speaker 1: it too soon? So what do you think ob Ja's
Speaker 1: reaction was when he heard about the Brandon Cook straight, Oh,
Speaker 1: he can have another chip on his shoulder. The cowboys
Speaker 1: don't want me again. Now that's just another player that's
Speaker 1: mad at the Cowboys yet line buddy, But yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's something about Sunday Mornings with Odell. Things happened bad
Speaker 1: on Sunday Mornings with him. That was when the plane
Speaker 1: incident was. All right, let's talk Zeke when we come
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Speaker 1: think they just had this weekend the home show at
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Speaker 1: or four months later bought new windows for half the
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Speaker 1: the windows. Yes, yeah, yes, immediate improvement. It's a striking
Speaker 1: I immediate improvement. All right, that's we're gonna talk Zeke
Speaker 1: in a second. But first, Dalton Schultz still out there
Speaker 1: in free agency. What do you make of this? Well,
Speaker 1: I would imagine the Cowboys would have liked them back,
Speaker 1: but at their price. And maybe it's coming down to
Speaker 1: their price. And maybe, I mean because if you think
Speaker 1: about it, he was not a happy camper. He was
Speaker 1: not a happy camper. He kind of played like it
Speaker 1: too at certain points of this season. But he would
Speaker 1: make plays that made you think, Okay, I'd like him, right,
Speaker 1: but like at what costs? Because I've got two young
Speaker 1: guns that did a decent job, and then I started
Speaker 1: looking on tight ends that were on the move. Darren
Speaker 1: Waller got traded to the Giants. I got crazy story
Speaker 1: behind that, but go ahead. Hunter Long went to the Rams.
Speaker 1: Josh Oliver got resigned by the Vikings as a blocking
Speaker 1: tight end. Well, he went from Baltimore, No, he was
Speaker 1: with Baltimore to the Vikings and he got Okay, the
Speaker 1: numbers on his numbers three three years, twenty one million
Speaker 1: dollars ten point seven guaranteed blocking tight end. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's what Sheltz is looking at. He's the So
Speaker 1: he's the second tight end because obviously Minnesota's got t. J.
Speaker 1: Hopkinson as the other tight end. And then uh, Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram got tagged um john Nu Smith went to the
Speaker 1: Falcons from the Patriots. From the Patriots and juwan is
Speaker 1: it Johnson to the Saints for two years twelve million. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then there was others that have just recently even
Speaker 1: taken place. And he's got veteran minimum deals. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers now over the past
Speaker 1: especially three years, you're looking at really good tight end numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's I'm if I'm Shelts, I'm thinking this is
Speaker 1: what I'm kiing on. Yeah, I'm Dak's outlet. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: the guy they think the other one was Gisicky. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gets went from the Dolphins to and so this relates
Speaker 1: a lot with Dalton Shoults. Okay, Okay, here's what the
Speaker 1: market is on tight end right now. This just happened
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Gisicky got one year nine million dollars
Speaker 1: max now max from the Patriots, so he can he
Speaker 1: can make up to nine million dollars. That's where the
Speaker 1: tight end market is, right. How are you gonna let
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick set the tight end market? I mean, whether
Speaker 1: you can't, why would you let that be the market? Well,
Speaker 1: it is not that the market is what the market is?
Speaker 1: What did what did shows make last year? He was
Speaker 1: tagged what make ten point eleven? It was eleven million?
Speaker 1: So that's what he's looking for. Well, he's that's a
Speaker 1: starting point, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: might need the battle. Well, I'm just I remember those days.
Speaker 1: I'm getting into that feeling right now. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what if you don't get worth if you
Speaker 1: don't get it that first week, and things start going
Speaker 1: down because everybody got their priorities and they've already spent
Speaker 1: their money. Yeah so now and yeah, so who are you?
Speaker 1: Who are you left with? Yeah, this is the secondary
Speaker 1: market now, and you might have to take a one
Speaker 1: year kind of proof it deal again to see when
Speaker 1: the market gets reset next. I wouldn't call it the
Speaker 1: prove it year. He's already approved himself. Deal, proved approved deal.
Speaker 1: I don't care what else. No one was taken. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. And there's been like ten moves with tight ends,
Speaker 1: and that's where you start to get nervous as a
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah. Now, having said that about GASICKI, Schultz
Speaker 1: has better numbers than what GASSICKI. Did you look this
Speaker 1: past year, okay, fifteen starts with Dallas Schultz fifty seven catches,
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy seven yards, five touchdowns. The previous
Speaker 1: year seventy eight receptions, eight hundred eight yards, eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That was the year for yeah. Yeah, and so he
Speaker 1: gets tagged after that year. All right, Going back to gisick,
Speaker 1: this past year only thirty two catches, three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two yards five touchdowns, seventeen games, one start, seventeen games,
Speaker 1: nine starts. Just how he's used in So how is
Speaker 1: that setting them seven The year before seventy three catches
Speaker 1: seven hundred eighty yards two touchdowns, and the year before
Speaker 1: that fifty three catches seven oh three and six. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of similar to Schultz right there. He had
Speaker 1: a down year statistically compared to what Schultz did this year,
Speaker 1: and so that's where Gasicki is. So it gets back
Speaker 1: to gasick signs with the Patriots for one year because
Speaker 1: he's got to get his he's got to get back
Speaker 1: up and and it's a two tight end situation there
Speaker 1: with Hunter Henry. So they traded away John U. Smith
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and now they've got their second tied end.
Speaker 1: You know how much Belichick loves using the two tight ends,
Speaker 1: especially two tight ends that can also catch, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's gonna be interesting to see how it
Speaker 1: plays out with Schultz. Now here's the one with Josh Oliver,
Speaker 1: the blocking tight end. By the way, three years, twenty
Speaker 1: one million. Last year he had twenty six catches, twenties
Speaker 1: no no take back. He has twenty six catches in
Speaker 1: the past three seasons and two touchdowns and averages ten
Speaker 1: point six of catch and he got three years max
Speaker 1: of twenty one million. I promise you. If I'm Dalton,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not even considering or listening to that
Speaker 1: guy's numbers because he's not in my category. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the way I would look at it. You're arrogance,
Speaker 1: of course, goes away the more moves to get made
Speaker 1: without you being involved in it. So yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You probably can stay with you, but for so long,
Speaker 1: and I know I would be that guy that would
Speaker 1: probably my pride would overstay. Now this one will hurt you.
Speaker 1: But the deal that Cowboys got with Gilmore, Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: signed with Miami three years, fifty five million max. Thirty
Speaker 1: five million guaranteed. The Cowboys are on the books for
Speaker 1: Gilmore for basically almost ten million dollars on one year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what the market starts at, and then
Speaker 1: you can see how it drifts, and it drifts downward usually. Okay, Zeke,
Speaker 1: what's what are your thoughts on? Zeke? My guess is
Speaker 1: they thought the ten point nine million and right really
Speaker 1: so was his base salary was a little much after
Speaker 1: they guaranteed Pollard ten million. My other guess is, after
Speaker 1: everything he's done here, they didn't want to insult him
Speaker 1: by doing something with his contract and saying, okay, but
Speaker 1: we'll pay you three million. So I think in some regards,
Speaker 1: if they were going to move on, they kind of
Speaker 1: did him a favor by letting him go early for
Speaker 1: other teams that might be looking for running backs to
Speaker 1: see what they can get. Now, my other understanding is
Speaker 1: is don't sleep on. If they're still looking for a
Speaker 1: running back after the draft, um that they go back
Speaker 1: to them and say, okay, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Maybe two million, four million, something like that, Um, we'd
Speaker 1: like to have you back. You know, Samaj p Ryan
Speaker 1: got two years, seven and a half million dollars from
Speaker 1: the broncos Man and that's probably the max. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have to look up exactly what, but but you think
Speaker 1: about what type back Zeke is and well and his
Speaker 1: ability to pass protech. Apparently p Ryan is like that,
Speaker 1: was like that with Cincinnati, and so pet Sean Payton
Speaker 1: probably looks at him as that type. Jamal Williams went
Speaker 1: to the Saints and it was three three years, twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars max. Okay, So it was in that same
Speaker 1: I think I don't remember the exact numbers, but it
Speaker 1: was that's the market for the running and if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys end up, that was the That was the market
Speaker 1: last week for the running. Right now this week where
Speaker 1: Nald Jones, we'll see what the Cowboys might offer him
Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent, so he can test the
Speaker 1: market to see what's there and if not, you know,
Speaker 1: because Dak wasn't you know, got interviewed about Zeke going
Speaker 1: and he wonn't you know, all in on that, and
Speaker 1: even uh Troy Aikman spoke up about it, saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you got that type of guy. He's hard to replace.
Speaker 1: And on my bottom line on him is who's going
Speaker 1: to take up his twelve rushing touchdowns? Just tell me who?
Speaker 1: Pollard had a great year. He had nine, right, uh
Speaker 1: And and so okay, say he gets ten, Well, where's
Speaker 1: the other twelve coming from him? And that's where Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams he had like eighteen touchdowns for the Lions last year.
Speaker 1: So he's a very similar type player and a agewise
Speaker 1: to where Zeke is. He got three years, twelve million,
Speaker 1: eight million guaranteed, So it's really three years and who
Speaker 1: gave that to New Orleans? And he was with Detroit
Speaker 1: last year. So that's kind of where the market was
Speaker 1: at the end of last week as far as running
Speaker 1: backs go. And so what's what's Zeke going to get
Speaker 1: someplace else? And he's sort of Williams in New Orleans
Speaker 1: a supplemental back, right, because they're still banking on Kamara. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty out of thirty two teams in one Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's basically basically pretty much twenty nine out of thirty
Speaker 1: two teams in the league, they're all supplemental backs, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's it's multiple. I mean, the Raiders used Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 1: the Titans used Derrick Henry all the time, Bell cow backs,
Speaker 1: and Barkley with the Giants maybe, but but and and
Speaker 1: maybe McCaffrey. We'll see how McCaffrey's going to be used
Speaker 1: on for a full season with San Francisco. But that's
Speaker 1: that's the way they're running. That's why the running back
Speaker 1: market is solo. And plus you got the draft stare
Speaker 1: and he in the face and then another guy that
Speaker 1: wants out and San Diego probably doesn't want him pay him.
Speaker 1: San Diego Austin Neckler wants out and they don't want
Speaker 1: to give him a big contract, and that's why he
Speaker 1: wants I think he's heading into his last year, all right,
Speaker 1: And I got one more point to make on Zeke.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Zeke is Emmett Smith, but I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at Emmett Smith's numbers. In nineteen ninety six, his seventh
Speaker 1: year in the league, he was twenty seven years old,
Speaker 1: the same age as Zeke this past season. Okay, seventh
Speaker 1: year in the league, twenty seven years old, I mean,
Speaker 1: and Emmett had averaged three point seven yards a carry
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six and scored twelve rushing touchdown. Zeke
Speaker 1: his seventh year in the league, same age, three point
Speaker 1: eight yards a carry, twelve touchdowns, exact same number. So
Speaker 1: I remember it was several years ago. I did this
Speaker 1: kind of study on running backs, and I determined that
Speaker 1: the line of demarcation on production was twenty eight years old.
Speaker 1: Once you got past twenty eight, careers went downhill for running.
Speaker 1: And so there's one guy in history, Emmett Smith, yes,
Speaker 1: who went another seven years beyond that with another nine
Speaker 1: thousand yards. Here's an interesting fact. Let me get my
Speaker 1: interesting fact out from Gil Brandt. The seventy five draft
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys were trying to decide if they wanted
Speaker 1: Randy White or Walter Payton, and they did a study,
Speaker 1: he said, and it said that the career length of
Speaker 1: defensive lineman far exceeded running backs. So they decided Randy
Speaker 1: White instead of Walt. Think that's tough. All right, we
Speaker 1: gotta go and we'll talk to you next week on
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