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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots to get to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: So additional Trump legal news, he is facing additional charges

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Speaker 1: as we move towards potentially more indictments. We are certainly

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Speaker 1: him as the donor class seems to turn against him

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Speaker 2: I said, so, thank you all very much. But Trump indictment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have a new superseding indictment in that

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Speaker 1: Trump document's case.

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Speaker 4: What that means is they've added.

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Speaker 1: An additional charge for Trump with regards to that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the document that he's on audio recording waving around that

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Speaker 1: They've now apparently found that document. They're now charging him

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Speaker 1: We also though, and this is potentially even more significant,

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Speaker 4: Let's say listen to a little bit of what they

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Speaker 5: There's electronic evidence involved here, right, they're talking about deletion

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Speaker 5: stuff that can be tracked that's right, black and white

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Speaker 5: So they've gained some ground here in the case against

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Speaker 5: mister Trump. It's not entirely duplicative of what they had.

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Speaker 5: It is a superseding indictment, and it does, you know,

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Speaker 6: You said, the goal is to flip Carlos de ela Verra,

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Speaker 6: They've been trying to get him to flip on President Trump,

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Speaker 6: and that doesn't appear to have yet been a comp.

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Speaker 5: So this is the hammer, right in any case like this,

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Speaker 5: if you're trying to cajole a witness and to come

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Speaker 5: to know the inner workings. Your last card to play

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Speaker 5: is what they've done, which is in ditem.

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Speaker 1: This is the hammer that lawyer says in terms of

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Speaker 1: trying to get a Trump employee to flip. We have

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Speaker 1: some additional news this morning that we may have another

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Speaker 1: details about what's in the superseding indictment. We can put

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Speaker 1: So we have additional, you know, pretty direct conversation here

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Speaker 1: a Lago employee who oversees the property surveillance cameras, received

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is almost cartoonish in the way that it

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Speaker 3: We literally were, you know, when you were reading.

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Speaker 2: Crystal For those who are listening, that is directly from

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Speaker 2: the indictment of the Department of Justice, also showing the

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Speaker 2: penetration that they have into the Trump staff. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just think and continue to believe that it's very

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Speaker 2: important for everybody to analyze these cases. On their face,

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Speaker 2: Some are silly, some are stretches of legal interpretation, not

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Speaker 2: terms of the facts, in terms of the recordings which

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Speaker 2: I could have declassified it, I didn't declassify it. And

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Speaker 2: then now in terms of the cover up, which is

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Speaker 2: that this is a problem literally of his own making,

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Speaker 2: And then whenever the government came and tried to get

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Speaker 2: James Comy, this is not Muller, This is not any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually look, if.

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Speaker 2: People are interested, go there's only one pushback to this

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Speaker 2: entire thing, and that is vivik Ramaswami's theory of the

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Speaker 2: case around the Presidential Records Act and the superseding of

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Speaker 2: executive privilege and the DOJ. So if people want to

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Speaker 2: go and watch that, we had an interview with Vivaki,

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Speaker 2: Crystal and him went at it for what ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: Or so, you can go and see.

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Speaker 2: But that is pretty much it in terms of respected

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Speaker 2: I guess theoretical legal way out of this particular case,

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Speaker 4: It's fair to say that it is.

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Speaker 1: There are people who would assert that that may apply

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Speaker 1: a fairly novel legal interpretation that is certainly not held

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Speaker 1: haven't even heard the Trump team really making any sort

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Speaker 1: I really think Trump's plan is just he's got to

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Speaker 1: House in order to escape all of these charges, because

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Speaker 1: every piece that's added looks increasingly more and more damning

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Speaker 1: of this. So, like I said, probably the most significant pieces.

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Speaker 1: You've got another Trump employee who is charged. You've got

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Speaker 1: more communications that are directly related to the alleged obstruction,

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Speaker 1: but you also did have a thirty second count of

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Speaker 1: wilful retention of national defense information that was also added

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and us covering this will not diminish their fundraising. Whatsoever,

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Speaker 7: I think it's time for Ron to Sanctimonious and so

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Speaker 7: They're speaking to people that aren't even listening to talk.

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Speaker 1: you might be in prison, so there is that. But

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at the polls this weekend in

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Speaker 1: terms of real clear politics average in terms of the

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Speaker 1: hypothetical head to head between Biden and Trump or Biden

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Speaker 1: and DeSantis, and Trump is closer to Biden in that

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Speaker 1: hypothetical head to head than DeSantis is at that this point.

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Speaker 1: That was not the case previously. There's also reporting that

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Speaker 1: even within the White House they've changed their opinion about

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Speaker 1: who they would rather go up against. They now think

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis is actually the weaker candidate, and the Republican base,

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Speaker 1: by the way, agrees with you. There's big New York

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Speaker 1: Times pull out this morning. We may cover it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: That you know, they do their their bit. They spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of money on these on these things, and

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Speaker 1: they've got a President Trump, former President Trump at fifty

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Speaker 1: four percent, Desantus at seventeen percent, and everyone else at

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Speaker 1: three or two percent. So obviously, with Trump pulling in

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Speaker 1: a majority of the vote, there, even if you have

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Speaker 1: the you know, donor dream of everyone else dropping on

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Speaker 1: everyone coalescing around one particular candidate, whether it's Ron DeSantis,

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, or someone else, still they are losing significantly

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, so you know, it is certainly not

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Speaker 1: breaking towards any of the contenders from President Trump had

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Speaker 1: some interesting commentary about some of the phone calls he'd

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Speaker 1: been receiving from former Rond De Santis donors at that

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Speaker 1: same campaign rally.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that last week.

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Speaker 7: I start getting phone calls two three, four weeks ago. Hi, President,

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Speaker 7: I just called to say, hello, what are the big donors?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 7: I thought you were De Sanctis, No, weren't you with

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Speaker 7: the Sanctis sometimes referred to as Dy Sanctimonius, never referred

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Speaker 7: to as DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: Never so talking there about the fact that some of

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Speaker 1: the donors which were really, you know, the backbone of

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Speaker 1: the Ronda Santis campaign, are starting to call it.

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Speaker 4: Who knows if it's true or not.

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Speaker 1: It's Donald Trump, but it certainly he's picking up on

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Speaker 1: a vibe and some of the reporting that is out there.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and move on to this next part

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Speaker 1: actually about ron de Santis, and put B two up

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Speaker 1: on the screen because this dovetails with what we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about. We have a affording from Politico that

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Speaker 1: apparently a bunch of high level Republican elites at Bohemian

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Speaker 1: Grove are now turning on DeSantis, they say, at the

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Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove secretive conclave of men who gather in northern California.

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Speaker 4: The attendance was a who's who.

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Speaker 1: A pre Trump Republican's, a murder's row of bundlers and

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal editorial page favorites, including former House Speaker

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan ex Florida Governor Jeb Bush. With fear setting

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Speaker 1: in about Trump's renomination, gathering became somewhat of a fantasy

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Speaker 1: camp on how to avert that prospect, or at least

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Speaker 1: confront it. You also had a lot of hand ringing

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Speaker 1: over at the annual Aspen retreat for donors that for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Governors Association there was a similar how do

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Speaker 1: we stop him chowder? There much fretting about Governor run DeSantis'

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Speaker 1: ailing candidacy. Two contenders showed up to work the donors

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Speaker 1: and governors. That was Tim Scott and Mike Pence, but

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Speaker 1: a candidate in waiting also received ample attention. Contributors buttonholed

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Speaker 1: Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin. Tend told me with some asking

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Speaker 1: if you'd run others skipping pleasantries and pushing him to

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Speaker 1: get in the race. So the fact that the donor

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Speaker 1: class is turning on to Santas is a big problem

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Speaker 1: for him. And you know, I mean if they think

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Speaker 1: that Glenn Youngkin or Tim Scott is going to be

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Speaker 1: the Trump beater here, and I just wish them good luck.

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Speaker 2: I just certainly agree with you. I also we were

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Speaker 2: talking about this in our call Bahomie. How is Bohemian

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Speaker 2: Grove still a thing? I am?

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Speaker 3: After the Alex Jones exposam.

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Speaker 4: I find another secret billionaire, another.

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Speaker 2: Compound, like we have to worship the owl God. That's

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Speaker 2: just this is the thing. It actually confirms something going

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Speaker 2: on here because I'm like, clearly they would have ditched

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Speaker 2: it now at this point, but apparently, you know, no,

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Speaker 2: the owl is so important that you got to go

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Speaker 2: and pay homage to the owl.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Paul, it's it's crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: It's like Paul Ryan and Jeb Bush and all these

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Speaker 2: billionaires and Glenn Youngkin and New Gingrich and all these

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Speaker 2: people are Bollemian Grove. It's just it's insane that there's

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Speaker 2: still a thing. But it is a perfect view. And

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Speaker 2: apparently they allow this his journalists and they're due which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I want to know more about the owls.

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Speaker 2: They give us a view into their thinking, which is

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Speaker 2: that this is some First of all, that it's up

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Speaker 2: to them.

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Speaker 3: It's clearly not up to them.

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Speaker 2: They have no control anymore the donor class in terms

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Speaker 2: of like the actual base and their wants and their need.

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Speaker 2: The best thing they could probably do is just back

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Speaker 2: Trump and hope that you can do the exact same

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Speaker 2: thing last time around, which is get your preferential tax legislation,

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Speaker 2: but tasing his ass now whenever he's if he's president again. True,

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Speaker 2: but then what's clear too is that they're focusing all

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Speaker 2: on the wrong things like to them, they have a

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Speaker 2: different view of electability, they have a different view of likability.

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Speaker 3: They also have a different view of outcome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, donors want an outcome about taxes, regulation. Of course,

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Speaker 2: that's what elites want whenever they look at politics. But

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Speaker 2: look at what voters are asking of their Republican elected officials.

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Speaker 2: They want to punish the left and they want to

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Speaker 2: piss off the media. That's it, I mean, and for that, like,

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Speaker 2: how can you not vote for Trump? Like, that's obviously

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Speaker 2: the person that you wouldn't want to vote for if

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Speaker 2: you don't care about any underlying thing, which I think

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Speaker 2: it's very clear now that that is what the populace,

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Speaker 2: or at least the primary voters actually want whenever it

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Speaker 2: comes to their politicians.

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Speaker 1: The reason I think it's a problem that the Bohemian

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Speaker 1: grove set is turning on DeSantis is because he obviously

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Speaker 1: has some money issues. Yeah, I mean, he just laid

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Speaker 1: off a third of his staff and there's all these

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Speaker 1: horrific articles about how he laid off a third of

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Speaker 1: his staff and then the very next morning takes off

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Speaker 1: on a private jet And so he has really been

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Speaker 1: reliant for fundraising support in particular on these large donors.

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Speaker 1: He has one of the smallest percentages of small dollar

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Speaker 1: grassroots fundraising base is one of the smallest percentages of anybody.

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Speaker 1: Trump has the largest on the Republican side. And so

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're chopping around that they're, according to Trump,

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Speaker 1: giving Trump a call, that they're looking at Tim Scott,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to push Glenn Youngkin in the race, etc.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this means that he.

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Speaker 1: Really could have the legs completely out from under him

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Speaker 1: and have trouble even making it to the Iowa caucuses

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Speaker 1: and the primaries after that. So that's why that's significant.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, he had an interesting

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Speaker 1: exchange with Megan Kelly. She had a big sit down

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Speaker 1: interview with him. Part of his new strategy reboot is

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Speaker 1: he's got to do more interviews with a wider range

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Speaker 1: of hosts because he had been very sort of sequestered

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Speaker 1: in friendly territory. Now he's going out where he's going

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Speaker 1: to take a few more tough questions and see how

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Speaker 1: that works out for him. So, as part of that tour,

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Speaker 1: went on Meghan Kelly's podcast and she really pressed him

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Speaker 1: on his approach to Disney and his approach to bud Light.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that exchange.

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Speaker 8: Much is the base is angry at these wild corporations,

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Speaker 8: And I get it, and I know you get it.

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Speaker 8: Aren't you doing the very thing to these companies that

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Speaker 8: conservatives are mad at left wing leaders for doing, using

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Speaker 8: government to punish citizens for political wrongthink.

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Speaker 9: No, not at all. So taking an nyser bush, I mean,

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Speaker 9: we're not punishing them. They departed from business practices by

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Speaker 9: indulging in social activism that has caused a huge problem

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Speaker 9: for their company, and their stock price has gone down. Well,

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Speaker 9: our pension fund in Florida holds up Anheuser Busch InBev stock.

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Speaker 9: So it's actually hurt teachers, it's hurt cops, it hurts

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Speaker 9: firefighters who depend on that pension fund.

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Speaker 8: And so can you support the boycott against them?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 9: I did, but that just as a personal thing. But

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Speaker 9: I mean we didn't have like the state government, you know,

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Speaker 9: necessarily you know, putting power about it. But as an American,

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Speaker 9: I said, I'm not doing Anheuser, but I'm not doing

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Speaker 9: bud like.

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Speaker 8: So why can't Disney oppose your lay and why can't

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Speaker 8: they promote this agenda in their view pains, they can't

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Speaker 8: without being punished by the state.

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Speaker 9: They're not being punished. We're just simply removing a special

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Speaker 9: benefits that.

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Speaker 10: They have had.

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Speaker 4: It's not about intending.

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Speaker 8: If I go to my boss and I say I

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Speaker 8: use sexually harassed me, and then suddenly he reduces my

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Speaker 8: salary from two hundred thousand to one hundred thousand, that's retaliation.

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Speaker 8: I am worse off. And it's not a defense to say, well,

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Speaker 8: everybody else of the company was getting one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 8: You've reduced my circuit.

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Speaker 4: You punished me.

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Speaker 9: No, but that's that's a that's an employer employee relationship.

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Speaker 9: But I think that that's much different.

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Speaker 3: But the state taking a way of benefit.

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Speaker 9: But your but your position is basically that Florida should

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Speaker 9: be forced to subsidize Disney, regardless of how it's going

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Speaker 9: to use those subsidies, so that they can weaponize the

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Speaker 9: subsidies they get from the state and turn it against

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Speaker 9: state policy. Why would we want to subsidize that behavioral.

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Speaker 3: I get it, I get it right back.

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Speaker 8: But I don't want a president Gavin Newsome doing this

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Speaker 8: to conservative companies or companies who have a more conservative viewpoint.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would say.

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Speaker 9: I don't think there's any arrangement in America that mirror

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Speaker 9: the arrangement Disney had in Florida for many, many decades.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think it was a unique situation.

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Speaker 4: What do you think of that exchange, Sacer?

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Speaker 2: I actually think you should have owned it and be

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Speaker 2: like yeah, I'm I mean, because here's when we're trying

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Speaker 2: to legalize our way around, just say yeah, I'm the governor,

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Speaker 2: I have the I have the power. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: use my power to go after and hyser Budd. That's

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Speaker 2: a more honest way. It actually reminds me of Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court politics pre Trump. So this is crazy to think about,

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Speaker 2: but pre Trump, nobody who was a Republican nominee would

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Speaker 2: ever say I'm going to appoint pro life judges. There

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Speaker 2: was always hiding under like originalism and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: appoint judges that are hero of the constitute. There's like

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Speaker 2: a wink wink, you know to the evangelical, but nobody

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Speaker 2: ever wanted to just come out and say it.

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Speaker 4: Yea.

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Speaker 2: And then Trump shocked shocked Republican politics when he's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna appoint pro life judge just gonna over.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was like, what nobody's ever said that before. You

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Speaker 2: have to just say the quiet There's a true there's

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Speaker 2: power in just saying the quiet part out loud about

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Speaker 2: what you're actually doing, and that's what people want to hear. Actually,

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Speaker 2: the people who agree with the policy and the people

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Speaker 2: who don't agree with the policy.

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Speaker 3: What you think you can convinced.

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Speaker 2: You think you can convince Bill Ackman that you're not

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Speaker 2: punishing and heyser Busch.

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Speaker 3: Right, but who are we kidding?

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Speaker 4: I mean very clearly, Yeah, yeah, over just own it

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Speaker 4: though a marketing decision that you didn't like, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but just own it like you do.

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Speaker 1: If you put Trump in DeSantis is shoes and you

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Speaker 1: imagine what his answer would be.

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Speaker 3: He'd just be like, yeah, they need to be punished.

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, and everyone was like yeah, and

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Speaker 1: even you know all the nuance of I've talked about that,

658
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Speaker 1: We've talked about the Disney thing here. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: is right that they get these special privileges, that they

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Speaker 1: have way too much power in this like that is correct,

661
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Speaker 1: but it was also correct that he was fine with that.

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Speaker 4: He was totally cool with that.

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Speaker 1: Until he decided that you know, he didn't like this

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Speaker 1: political move that they made, and he was going to

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Speaker 1: punish that. Like it's very clear. The Budweiser thing, it's

666
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Speaker 1: just obvious, like virtue signaling to the Republican base, same

667
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Speaker 1: kind of deal. They didn't like this marketing decision that

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Speaker 1: they made to send an influencer can or whatever to

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Speaker 1: transactivists Dylan Mulmany. So he's trying to lean into that

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Speaker 1: and you know, get the right people mad at him

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Speaker 1: again or whatever. But by dancing around it and trying

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Speaker 1: to act like this is some noble, principled stand on

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Speaker 1: behalf of Florida tax bearers, it just doesn't pass.

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Speaker 2: That's why it links to the original thing about bohemian growth,

675
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Speaker 2: which is guess who this may the most mad the donor.

676
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Speaker 2: The donors are the most angry about this. And Kelly

677
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Speaker 2: does have a point. I mean, first of all, there

678
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Speaker 2: is no such thing as a conservative company anymore, at

679
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Speaker 2: least in terms like I don't think I exist at

680
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Speaker 2: least in.

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Speaker 4: Like wildly disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the union busting, and you look

683
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Speaker 1: at the lobbying on tax legislation, maybe on the surface

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Speaker 1: level to them, maybe on the surface level cultural stuff, yes,

685
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Speaker 1: but in terms of how they actually operate in America

686
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Speaker 1: and the fact they have it is definitely concerned.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree, but that I mean by that definition

688
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Speaker 2: like Amazon is a conservative company.

689
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Speaker 4: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

691
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Speaker 2: I agree with that you're looking at the actual metrics.

692
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Speaker 2: We're not talking about the wig code.

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Speaker 1: Lapping Black Lives Matter on your website does not make

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Speaker 1: you it's a left leaning I have always believe.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm saying only in the way that the

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Speaker 2: culture actually like imbibes this stuff. I don't think there's

697
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Speaker 2: any there's nobody out there like putting MAGA hats on

698
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Speaker 2: at a Fortune five hundred level. So that's why I

699
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Speaker 2: think that the Gavin Newsome example doesn't really work. That said,

700
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Speaker 2: that already is kind of happening. So it's one of

701
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Speaker 2: those where we're in a mutually assured destruction like we

702
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Speaker 2: had the whole MLB situation Georgia. You know, the Anheuser

703
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Speaker 2: Bush is just basically the liberal version of that. So

704
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Speaker 2: you know, just be like, look, they did it first,

705
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Speaker 2: Now this is what we're going to do. You have

706
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Speaker 2: to own the decision. But he doesn't have the confidence,

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Speaker 2: I think enough in his in his decision to actually

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Speaker 2: just sit there and to own it in the only

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Speaker 2: honest way that you.

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Speaker 3: Can justify the policy.

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Speaker 2: That was my problem with the answer, which is you're

712
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Speaker 2: trying to have it both ways. Where the CEOs and

713
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Speaker 2: the free market libertarian types, specifically the Fortune five hundred CEOs,

714
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Speaker 2: people like Ken Griffin and others who love to say it,

715
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Speaker 2: they hated his decision, and so he's got to try

716
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Speaker 2: and like use some shareholder effectively. What he's advocating is

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Speaker 2: shareholder activism and a government level, which I have all

718
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Speaker 2: kinds of problems with shareholderism and activism and all of that,

719
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Speaker 2: but he's trying to have effectively a dishonest critique of

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Speaker 2: the what he's doing instead of just saying, yeah, it's political,

721
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Speaker 2: I did it for, you know, for political reasons. He's like,

722
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Speaker 2: I had the lever, that's what my voters wanted to see,

723
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Speaker 2: so I did it, and that's what Trump would have done. Yeah,

724
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Speaker 2: just keep coming back to that. The actual honesty is

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Speaker 2: what connects so much with a lot of voters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a sense on the Republican conservative

727
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Speaker 1: right wing side that we're losing at the cultural level

728
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Speaker 1: and so there's a comfort with using state power to

729
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Speaker 1: enforce the cultural outcomes that.

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Speaker 4: They would like to see.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, that's where DeSantis is where

732
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Speaker 1: a lot of his legislation comes from, where certainly this

733
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Speaker 1: lawsuit against Budweiser for a marketing decision comes from. Where

734
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Speaker 1: the you know, the direction with Disney comes from.

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Speaker 4: All of that.

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Speaker 1: But it really gets to the fundamental tension in his

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Speaker 1: campaign of the type of coalition that he has to

738
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Speaker 1: be able to stitch together in order to attempt to

739
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Speaker 1: defeat Trump. And a key part of that coalition for

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Speaker 1: him is donors who absolutely despise this direction. I mean,

741
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Speaker 1: they do not want Florida or any other state to

742
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Speaker 1: be able to sue them over decisions that you know,

743
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Speaker 1: companies are making about their marketing spend or their budget

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Speaker 1: or what they're doing privately, whatever. So they hate this

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Speaker 1: direction for Ron DeSantis, and you know, I do think

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Speaker 1: it is a part of the reason why they're shopping

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Speaker 1: around for other candidates. And at the same time he's

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Speaker 1: trying to he understands that the moves may be popular

749
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Speaker 1: with the base, so trying to do this wink and

750
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Speaker 1: they're not at the base. But also give comfort to

751
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Speaker 1: the donor class and it just ends up kind of

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Speaker 1: a mess.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: The funniest thing is it's not like you know, conservatives

755
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Speaker 2: needed them to.

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Speaker 3: You know, Budwisers just late.

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Speaker 2: Anheuser Bush is laid off like several hundred people, all

758
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Speaker 2: the marketing people involved in it.

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Speaker 3: Like they were punished.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those where it's like.

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Speaker 2: They don't need you to sue them, like their their

763
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: punishment is long standing. Go to a grocery store and

764
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Speaker 2: say which bud light is still on the shelves. It's

765
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Speaker 2: like it's one of those where this almost never happens,

766
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Speaker 2: but it's actual organic pushback but genuinely materialized in the marketplace.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, in a certain way, I'm almost like,

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Speaker 2: did you really need to do this, because now you're

769
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Speaker 2: getting all downside and you didn't even need to actually

770
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Speaker 2: do it to tip the scales or whatever you're trying

771
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Speaker 2: to virtue signal, and now it's actually kind of backfiring away.

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Speaker 1: And she kind of got them there when she like

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Speaker 1: you supported the boycott though, right, yeah, because if you're

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Speaker 1: real concern, I mean, Megan's a great interviewer. She's just

775
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Speaker 1: like you know, I think top notch in these situations.

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Speaker 1: But if your real concern is the harm to Florida

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Speaker 1: you know, pensioners, then you wouldn't have been endorsing a

778
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Speaker 1: boycott that hurt the stock price, like you were complicit

779
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Speaker 1: in that. So she kind of got him and exposed

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Speaker 1: the real reasons that he was shaking on this fight.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, let's go to the next party.

782
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Speaker 2: Or actually very much connects to what you were Absolutely

783
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Speaker 2: so Ron DeSantis obviously had we talked a little bit

784
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Speaker 2: about it before. He has the new curriculum for American

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Speaker 2: history and history books specifically around slavery, where there's a

786
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Speaker 2: section within that actual curriculum, this specifically for middle schoolers

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Speaker 2: about whether slaves benefited or not from slaves. Now, in

788
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Speaker 2: terms of the benefit language, it was basically built as

789
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Speaker 2: like in some cases they learned trades which were later

790
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Speaker 2: on useful to them. So this obviously has exploded in

791
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Speaker 2: terms of political controversy. DeSantis himself not backing down at all.

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Speaker 2: He gave a very bearded defense of it at a

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Speaker 2: press conference. Here's what he had to say, Well, you.

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Speaker 9: Should talk to them about I mean, I didn't do

795
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 9: it and I wasn't involved in it, but I think

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Speaker 9: I think what they're doing is I think that they're

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Speaker 9: probably going to show some of the folks that eventually parlayed,

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Speaker 9: you know, being a blacksmith into into doing things later

799
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Speaker 9: later in life. But the reality is all of that

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Speaker 9: is rooted in whatever is factual. They listed everything out

801
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Speaker 9: and if you have any questions about it, just asked

802
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Speaker 9: the Department of Education. You can talk about those folks.

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Speaker 9: But I mean, these were scholars who put that together.

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Speaker 3: So crystal.

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Speaker 2: Since this has come to light, it has now become

806
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Speaker 2: a major controversy, not just in actually the liberal media,

807
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Speaker 2: but many black MAGA Republicans specifically some also non MAGA.

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Speaker 2: One of them is a Senator Tim Scott running for president,

809
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Speaker 2: who called out Ron DeSantis on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 11: There's no silver lining in freedom and slavery. But seriously,

812
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Speaker 11: there's anything you can learn that any benefits that people

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Speaker 11: suggests that you had Joe slavery, you would have had

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Speaker 11: a free person. Well, slavery was was really about separating

815
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Speaker 11: fat works, about mutilating humans and even raping their wives.

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Speaker 11: It was just devastating, So I would hope that every

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Speaker 11: person in our country, and certainly money for president, would

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Speaker 11: appreciate that. And I said, people have bad days. Sometimes

819
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Speaker 11: they regret what they say, and we should ask them

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Speaker 11: again to clarify their positions.

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Speaker 2: Ask them again to clarify their position. Interestingly enough, now

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Speaker 2: I I alluded to, this has also become a major

823
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Speaker 2: thing amongst black Maga Republicans. So let's go and put

824
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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. So we've got two

825
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: individuals here. One is Congressman Byron Donald's. Interestingly enough, he's

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Speaker 2: from Florida. So he says, quote, the new African American

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Speaker 2: standards in Florida are good, robust, and accurate. That being said,

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Speaker 2: the attempt to feature the personal benefits of slavery is

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Speaker 2: wrong and needs to be adjusted. That obviously wasn't the goal,

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Speaker 2: and I have faith that the Florida Department of Education

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Speaker 2: will correct this. Then John James, who actually ran for

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Speaker 2: Senate in Michigan, now he's a congressman. He says, quote

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Speaker 2: non DeSantis. Number one, slavery was not CTE. Nothing about

834
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Speaker 2: four hundred years of evil was quote a net benefit

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Speaker 2: to my ancestors. Number two, there were only five black

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Speaker 2: Republicans in Congress, you are attacking two of them. My

837
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: brother in christ if you find yourself in a deep hole,

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Speaker 2: put the shovel down. You are now so far from

839
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: the Party of Lincoln. Your ed board is rewriting history.

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Speaker 2: You're personally attacking conservatives like Tim Scott and Byron Donald's

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Speaker 2: on the topic of slavery.

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Speaker 3: You have gone too far.

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Speaker 2: Stop And also from a campaign, the thing is is

844
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Speaker 2: that the campaign too is also not holding a back Crystal,

845
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Speaker 2: the one of the when she's a spokesperson, a member

846
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Speaker 2: of the Tampa campaign, Christina Pushaw is attacking now Tim Scott,

847
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Speaker 2: Byron Donalds and John James as repeating Kamala Harris' talking points.

848
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Speaker 2: So things are getting vicious here. Yeah, there's some interesting

849
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Speaker 2: valances actually to the entire fight.

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Speaker 3: But I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's a few things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I think the comments from

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott and Byron Donalds, by the way, we're so mild.

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Speaker 4: His critique there so mild.

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Speaker 3: Good, robust, And well there's this what he said, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, he's like, I got this a little bit. Overall,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, right, And what caused this really to blow

858
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Speaker 1: up was Christina Pouscha and other Desanti's team members who

859
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Speaker 1: were viciously attacking Donald's and Trump supporters getting into this

860
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Speaker 1: whole messy online fight. And then that's what causes John

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Speaker 1: James to come and be like, hold on a second,

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Speaker 1: let's be clear about what's going on here. So they're

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Speaker 1: creating this issue for themselves in their incredibly thin skinned

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Speaker 1: like reaction to what was going on here. And then

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Speaker 1: of course let's go and put the last ELEMENTC five

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. Of course, the Trump campaign can't

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Speaker 1: resist getting in on this as well. This is a

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Speaker 1: statement from Jason Miller, and you know, they it's interesting

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Speaker 1: the way they frame this because they don't directly address

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Speaker 1: in this statement the you know, personal benefit to slavery

871
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: situation directly, but they say Congress and Byron Donald's is

872
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: a conservative hero. The Republic Party's lucky to have as leader.

873
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: President Trump's honored to have his endorsement. If he thinks

874
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: something is bs, he'll tell you that's why we like

875
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: him so much.

876
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: For the official.

877
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: Office of the governor, and what's left of Ron De

878
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Santis's presidential campaign to attempt to smear Congress and Donald's

879
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: like this is a disgrace. It's indicative of why DeSantis

880
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: has plummeted faster than any presidential candidate in history. DeSantis

881
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: needs to look in the mirror recognize that at his

882
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: current trajectory, it's not just twenty twenty four that's dead

883
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: for him, but twenty twenty eight as well. DeSantis has

884
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: continued misguided attacks are only helping Joe Biden, and if

885
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: that's his goal, Desantas should just get out of the race.

886
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: So I mean Trump, of course taking full advantage of this,

887
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: and now we're hearing this manch or repeated multiple times

888
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: from him that listen, it's over, guys, get out of

889
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: the race, and let's all come together to defeat Joe Biden.

890
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: But to me, there's three things here soccer. I mean,

891
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: first of all, I think DeSantis completely mishandled this curriculum.

892
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: He should have known it would have been under intense scrutiny,

893
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: and it wasn't just the slavery situation. You also have

894
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: them like both sizing of race massacres where white people

895
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: lynched black people and being like, let's all talk about

896
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: the violence from the black people too. So you have

897
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: that piece, you have him mishandling the issue itself. You

898
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: have this overly online, you know, freak out over some

899
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: incredibly mild critique from Tim Scott and Byron Donald, and

900
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: then you also have what we were discussing before. How

901
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: do you think the donors who have been behind him,

902
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: how do you think that they are going to feel

903
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: about this whole flap.

904
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I have complicated feelings.

905
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: I personally would have handled it in a more confident

906
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: manner and I would have said, I'm not going to

907
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: take lectures on slavery from people who mischaracterize the sixteen

908
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: nineteen project and said that the American Revolution was about slavery.

909
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: And I would have just ended it there. That's what

910
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: I would have sucked to. But they decided to litigate it.

911
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: And when I heard a joke once, it's like, anytime

912
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: you're trying to add a butt to the end of slavery,

913
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: she should just stop this slay.

914
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: And I think it's true.

915
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we can sit here and we can

916
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: have a long discussion around curriculum.

917
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: I actually would love to do that.

918
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: So I have a couple of books if anybody's interested

919
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: in podcasts, so people who want if you actually want

920
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: to learn I would listen to The Day and Carlin

921
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: most recent history on specifically chattel African slavery. They're Hugh

922
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: Thomas book again on the history of African slavery. Both

923
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: are incredible, They're deep historical texts if you really want

924
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: to know what happened. Those are the books I would

925
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: read if you want to know about the American context

926
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: and specifically the end of slavery. Battle Cry Freedom is

927
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: the best one volume book that actually exists on the

928
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: American Civil War. And then there's also Partying the Waters,

929
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: the three part series about the Civil Rights era. So anyway,

930
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: those are actual historical texts, that's what I would recommend.

931
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Those are all accepted, at least at one time, were

932
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: by left and by right. But it does come back

933
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: to you, Look, it's complicated issue politically, valance in terms

934
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: of like the way that you're going to attack it.

935
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: If you were going to do it in the way

936
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: that they did, I think it should have come back

937
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: to confidence. But instead you're getting a bit of a

938
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 2: whiny kind of back and forth that DeSantis is engaging. Here,

939
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: we have some video from the campaign trail that illustrates

940
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: f I'm talking about.

941
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, were there beneficial aspects to slavery?

942
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 9: That's not what the curriculum says.

943
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 11: What are you doing?

944
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 9: What the correct No, there's no, it's not and the

945
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 9: curriculum is very clear. You have I think it's like

946
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 9: two hundred plus pages of all kinds of stuff that

947
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Speaker 9: you can't read that have you read it? So what's

948
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 9: your Have you read it? But you haven't read it?

949
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 9: So I'm just making that clear. That makes it very

950
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 9: clear about the injustices of slavery in vivid detail. So

951
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 9: anyone that actually read that and then listens to Kamala

952
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 9: would know that she's lying and that particular provision about

953
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 9: the skills that was in spite of slavery, not because

954
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 9: of the EIGHTP course has made that same point.

955
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: So, like I said, you know you're gonna sit there

956
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: and you're gonna litigate with the butts. I just think

957
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: you're in more of a losing position. I will say,

958
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: at least on this, I think Byron Donald's and John

959
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: James are being dishonest because these are straight up maga

960
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: guys who we all, by the way, go look at

961
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: what they've said about Trump or whatever. On Charlott's felt

962
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: there is a huge element of just attacking Dessantis to

963
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 2: try to get it out of the race. So look,

964
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: you could call me racist if you want. I personally

965
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: just doubt sometimes the sincerity of these like ultra maga politicians, yeah,

966
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: who clearly I think are being weaponized in order to

967
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: go after DeSantis on a political level.

968
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: And do they believe it or not. I don't know.

969
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: The reason I think Tim Scott is being sincere is

970
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: a Scott has never coded himself like maga or whatever.

971
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: He's running for president, but he has always kind of

972
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: been a dissenting voice on racial politics with true the GOP.

973
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm not gonna say that about him.

974
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 2: But the other two, having watched them kissed Trump's ass

975
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: like repeatedly, and also seeing the way that the Trump

976
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: campaign was like using their statements in order to validate criticism,

977
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: I just I can't help. But maybe it's serious, maybe

978
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: it's not, But I do think that has to be.

979
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: Thrown out there.

980
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: I'm not going to listen.

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00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea about their sincerity on this because

982
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: the other way that you could read it, and I

983
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: actually think this is perhaps more in what I'm inclined

984
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: to believe is the fact that they feel comfortable voicing

985
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: this kind of descent with Ron De Santis and they

986
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: did not feel comfortable voicing this kind of descent with

987
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It just shows you what a stronger figure

988
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: he is within the Republican Party, because I mean, listen again, though,

989
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: I want to say with Byron Donald's initial comments, they

990
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: were so mild, and if the DeSantis campaign had said

991
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: nothing about them, honestly, this.

992
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 4: All probably would be over now.

993
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: But there's nothing the media wants to cover more and

994
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: that you know, is more like actually significant to the race.

995
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: Then this big blow up between Ron De Santis and

996
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: now three out of five of the black elected Republicans

997
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: at the national level. So what I looked at this

998
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: and thought is like, if Trump did the exact same thing,

999
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: remember he had his like patriotic education initial or whatever

1000
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: the hell it was. If he did the exact same thing,

1001
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: maybe Tim Scott would have spoken of there would have

1002
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: been very little descent from it. There would have been

1003
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: much more rallying around it, there would not have been

1004
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: this whole blow because he just can get away with

1005
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: things that other candidates cannot get away with. And so

1006
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: to me, the fact that you do have this whole, ugly,

1007
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: messy intra Republican fight breaking out into the public around DeSantis'

1008
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: history curriculum in the state of Florida. It's another sign

1009
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: of his weakness within the Republican Party.

1010
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: That there is no disputing that whatsoever. Let's go to

1011
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: the next part here on the Facebook files. This was

1012
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: actually released by Congressman Jim Jordan as a result of

1013
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: some requests from the House Oversight Committee and other things

1014
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: that were uncovered emails directly between Facebook aka Meta and

1015
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: the Biden White House. Let's go and put up some

1016
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: examples of what we learned, he says, quote Facebook files

1017
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 2: Part one, smoking gun docs prove Facebook censored Americans because

1018
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: of the Biden White House pressure. Let's go to the

1019
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: next one here, guys, please, they say, quote, what did

1020
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: the Biden White House want removed a meme? That's right,

1021
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: Even memes were not spared from the Biden Whitehouse's censorship efforts.

1022
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: One of those is that you can see here is

1023
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: the meme from shared on Facebook April fourth, twenty twenty one.

1024
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: Ten years from now, you will be watching TV and

1025
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: you will hear quote, did you or a loved one

1026
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: take the COVID vaccine, you may be entitled. So that's

1027
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: including the Leo DiCaprio meme from Once upon a Time

1028
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: in Hollywood.

1029
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one.

1030
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: In terms of what was removed, they say, quote to

1031
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: appease the Biden Whitehouse talking points were actually drafted for

1032
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Nick Clegg, that's senior vice president of government relations at

1033
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: Facebook or Meta. They say Facebook was ready to tell

1034
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: the White House it had demoted a video posted by

1035
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson fifty percent actually in response to White House demands,

1036
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: even though that post did not violate any policies. The

1037
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: fascinating part about this is they actually draft in this

1038
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: talking point while we remove content that explicitly directs people

1039
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: not to get the vaccine, as well as content that

1040
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: it contains explicit misreputations around vaccines. We reviewed this content

1041
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: in detail. It does not violate these policies. However, they

1042
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: say that the video is receiving fifty percent demotion for

1043
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: seven days, that is in the queue to be quote

1044
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: fact checked. Let's go to the next part here as well.

1045
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: It says, and this is from Michael Shallenberger, they show

1046
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: you specifically one around the lab Leak, and this was

1047
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: an email saying, quote, can someone quickly remind me why

1048
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: we were removing claims that COVID is man made? And

1049
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: here is a direct response from email, quote we were

1050
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: under pressure from the administration and others to do more.

1051
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: So you have explicit examples here Crystal four separate ones

1052
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: that we just showed you of memes that were being

1053
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: taken down, videos that were being secretly demoted while they're

1054
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: being weighted to quote be fact checked. And then the

1055
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: lab leak one where I love that a guy inside

1056
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: the company's like, hey, why are we demoting this again?

1057
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 3: I thought it was true, isn't it true?

1058
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, it's because we were under pressure

1059
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: from the administration. And you know, now that I'm thinking

1060
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: about it, it reminds me of an example I think

1061
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: believe Zuck was on Lex Friedman's podcast where he talked

1062
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: about how a lot of the pressure on his company

1063
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: to say COVID information ended up being true.

1064
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1065
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: Specifically, he pointed to lab Leak and now we see

1066
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: the actual emails he was referring to that they were

1067
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: being lobbied by the White House, by the administration around this,

1068
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: and I mean The gross part about it is it

1069
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: all happened behind the scenes.

1070
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: Where we're finding out that this freaking two.

1071
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Something years is July thirty first, twenty twenty three, almost

1072
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: more than two years after some of these emails were

1073
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: actually sent to this company.

1074
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had no idea in real time.

1075
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's right.

1076
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: That's why in some ways, the like demotion, that's the

1077
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: way whind the scenes is more to faeries Because the

1078
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop situation, we knew what they did at Twitter.

1079
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: It was clear there was an ability to have a

1080
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: public outcry and investigations whatever, Like, we didn't know that

1081
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: this content was being demoted by fifty percent for a

1082
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: period of seven days, et cetera. Because it all happens

1083
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So, you know, it's useful to see

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Speaker 1: the way that this actually works. I thought, perhaps even

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00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: more revealing where some of the exchanges about first of

1086
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: all Facebook actually worked, that suppressing or outright censoring vaccine

1087
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: hesitancy content would lead to a kind of a Strissian

1088
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: effect where people felt like, since they were being censored,

1089
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: what they're saying must be true, that there must be

1090
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: a government cover up to force them to take the

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00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: vaccine that they were onto something, that they were being silenced,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 4: You had a draft memo.

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00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: To Facebook leadership which said there may be risk of

1095
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: pushing them further toward hesidancy by suppressing their speech making

1096
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: them feel marginalized by large institutions, which I think ends

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00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: up being pretty prescient. And then there was another piece

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00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: where they were weighing how to respond to the administration's

1099
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: censorship requests, which they didn't really want to go along with,

1100
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: but they said, given the bigger fish we have to

1101
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: fry with the administration data flows, etc. That doesn't seem

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00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: a great place for us to be. They're referring to

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00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: them being at odds with the administration over censorship requests,

1104
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: so grateful for any further creative thinking on how we

1105
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: can be responsive to their concerns.

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Speaker 4: So you see the way this works.

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00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: Facebook had other things things that they wanted from the

1108
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: administration visa VI their business, and I think this had

1109
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: something to do with European data flows, and so they

1110
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: were kind of willing to like, all right, well, we

1111
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: got to throw them a bone on the censorship that

1112
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: they want so that we can get this other piece

1113
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: of our business and that's the way this works. It

1114
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: reminds me of the conversation we had with Jack Dorsey

1115
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: of You formerly of Twitter, who was talking about the

1116
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: intense pressure that not just our government but governments around

1117
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: the world are putting on Twitter all the time to

1118
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: have various content suppressed and outright band and how difficult

1119
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: it is to stand up to all of those requests.

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Speaker 1: So this is not to like, you know, absolve Facebook

1121
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: or whatever at whatsoever, but you can see the way

1122
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: that this works and how the government throws their weight

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00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: around to get what they want from these companies.

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00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: What also disgusted me is there's actually a series within

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Speaker 2: these about a discussion between then vice president of the

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: company Cheryl Sandberg and Nick Clegg after if we'll recall,

1127
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: President Biden publicly said in July of twenty twenty one

1128
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: that Facebook quote is killing people. That tongue lashing, not

1129
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: even a specific request, actually caused massive consternation within the

1130
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: company and an official re evaluation crystal of policies around

1131
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen content, including from these officials like Nick Klegg,

1132
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: Cheryl Sandberg all the way up to the level of

1133
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg. The simple fact that they were being criticized

1134
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: by the president for quote unquote killing people was enough

1135
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: for them to take an internal reevaluation. So it's not

1136
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: even just the pernicious remove this, remove that, remove this.

1137
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: It's when you directly put pressure like this on these companies,

1138
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: you are effectively asking for a total difference in policy.

1139
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: It's not illegal, but you're the full force of the government.

1140
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll never forget. And probably the most extraordinary

1141
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: moment censorship that's probably ever happened, you know, in the

1142
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 2: under the Biden administration, was Jensaki being like, I've been

1143
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: banned from.

1144
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: One platform, you should be banned from all.

1145
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: It's literally dictating content policy across everything. And you know

1146
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: the I can part there about the drafting talking points

1147
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: for the senior vice president of Facebook. That's crazy. Whenever

1148
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: they're talking about the emotion. I mean, and you know,

1149
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: in many ways validates so many things. You and I know, intuitively,

1150
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: you and I do a video about epscene, it gets

1151
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: like fifty thousand views and gets demonetized.

1152
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: You're like, well, I mean, it wasn't the day, like,

1153
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: was it not? You know, what's going on?

1154
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: Nobody knows it just it exists into the ether. And

1155
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: you're like, maybe it didn't hit that day. Maybe with

1156
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: something else going, maybe people didn't care. Certainly possible, but

1157
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: then a part of you has to think like no,

1158
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: but maybe you know, usually people do care. Actually, I

1159
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of people care about the story.

1160
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: And you know, we don't care as much about views

1161
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: here for money or anything, but you know, it's nice

1162
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 2: to get exposure. And you're just you think, like, there's

1163
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: something odd that's happening right with the coverage of this,

1164
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: but you can never get it confirmed.

1165
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 4: Start to think you're a little crazy.

1166
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: You do start to think you're crazy. You're like, why

1167
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: is this happening?

1168
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: Why Overnight your subscribers you know on YouTube dropped from

1169
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: like hundreds a day to like five, and you're like

1170
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: what what And then you know they just tell you

1171
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: they're like, that's normal, it happens. I'm like, really, we've

1172
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: been doing this for four years and never seen it happen.

1173
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: Also happens around the time you're covering discord leaks. Who knows,

1174
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those where like, right, you

1175
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: just don't know whether it's real, whether it's not. And

1176
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: I think that's the most pernicious aspect of it all.

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Speaker 4: I think that's right, and that's part of why.

1178
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Speaker 1: You know, if we had some rules around really clear transparency,

1179
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: that would be helpful, so you could at least have

1180
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: journalists digging into this company.

1181
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: Journalists was actually interested.

1182
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some in the independent brass so

1183
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: of course we'll be taking a look at that.

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00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: That would be useful. You know, the fact that you

1185
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 4: had this.

1186
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Federal judge go against the Biden administration and basically say, listen,

1187
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 1: you have to stop doing this, like you can't use

1188
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: your government power to try to censor the speech of

1189
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Speaker 1: American citizens.

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Speaker 4: That's a good direction to go in.

1191
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: But you know, getting granular here on exactly how this works,

1192
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: and there's always two levels to it. On the one side,

1193
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: it's very dystopian and very nefarious and really clear cut

1194
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: on the issue of like lab leak, where even the

1195
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: Facebook employers are like, why were we doing this again

1196
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: this idea that it was you know, potentially man made.

1197
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: So it's very dystopian nefarious. And then it's also sort

1198
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: of ridiculous because they're trying to sensor like memes about

1199
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: vaccines that are pretty innocuous and probably not really you know,

1200
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: changing anyone's minds in particular, or in the case of Twitter,

1201
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: we know they were censoring these accounts that had like

1202
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: two followers and some tweet that got like one like

1203
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: on it, and it's like, why are you spending your

1204
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: time doing this? Don't you have bigger fish to fry.

1205
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: So a lot of that absurdity also comes down in these.

1206
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: Wa well and their censoring true information. I mean, look,

1207
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: and that's the problem on lably, even on vaccine. I mean, listen,

1208
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: you know, you can say, you know whatever you want,

1209
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: but like at the time, they were actively pushing to

1210
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: go against anybody who was like, it doesn't stop transmission.

1211
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: Remember that from Fauci, you know, the clip of him

1212
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: walking around. Guess what, that's false. It's just not true.

1213
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: And so you know, at the time, it definitely would

1214
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: have you should have aired on the side of actually

1215
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: free and open, because if we'd had that discussion, maybe

1216
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 2: they would have changed their vaccine, maybe they would have

1217
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: been more honest, you know, and maybe sure it may

1218
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: not have had the desired immediate effect, but that's not

1219
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: your job, and that's just not They refuse to come

1220
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: from a place of first principles, and instead they come

1221
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: from a place of immediate power, and what they want

1222
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: to try and hack the mind of the electorate. This

1223
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: is really what Fauci was a master at. And what

1224
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: they never really understood is that in a long enough

1225
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: timeline that the more that that happens, that you always

1226
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: come back to a default position, effectively of I feel

1227
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: like I'm being lied to and I'm not getting the

1228
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: full story, which means I don't trust you at all,

1229
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 2: even when you do say things which actually are true.

1230
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: That's the end result. I think that's where we're at now.

1231
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: That's why people don't believe anything that's being said here.

1232
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: I think that's right, all right, So let's go to

1233
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: the last part here, given, I guess an update on

1234
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: President Biden and his seventh grandchild, who he'd refused to

1235
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: acknowledge previously. In the past time honored Washington tradition, if

1236
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: you want something to just get lost in the ether,

1237
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: you got to do it on Friday afternoon. So Friday afternoon,

1238
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. For some reason, President Biden doesn't

1239
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: release his statement to the press, doesn't release a statement

1240
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: to everybody else. They somehow the White House calls up

1241
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: People magazine and issues a statement on their seventh grandchild,

1242
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: who they had previously refused to acknowledge. Let's go and

1243
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen, they said, quote,

1244
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: this is not a political issue. It's a family matter.

1245
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: Jill and I only want what is best for all

1246
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: of our grandchildren, including Navy Hunter's daughter, the four year

1247
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: old with an Arkansas woman who Hunter met in a

1248
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: strip club and has sense actually contested multiple times legally

1249
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: on grounds of child support around grounds of whether she

1250
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: could take the Biden family name or not.

1251
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: And that is why.

1252
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: Look, some people gave him benefit of the doubt. Everyone's like, oh,

1253
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: he was shamed by Maureen Dowd because of her column.

1254
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: And I actually do believe that is true. But we

1255
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: shouldn't just sit here and validate that this is somehow enough,

1256
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: because we can't forget what Hunter and presumably the Biden

1257
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 2: family did to this young girl of four years old

1258
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: and to her mother.

1259
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: I mean, let's put this up there on this.

1260
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: As part of the child support settlement that they had

1261
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: with Hunter Biden, she was not allowed to actually take

1262
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: the Biden family name.

1263
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: And that is one where you know, he says, quote.

1264
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: He also promised to discuss planning for college education fund

1265
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: with his child's mother, and even though that she had

1266
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: requested to change the last name to Biden dropped that

1267
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: request as part of the agreement. And that's why actually

1268
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: in the statement, you know, Biden refers to her as

1269
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: Navy and he doesn't refer to the last name that

1270
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: she has since taken I believe.

1271
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: Of her maternal grandfather.

1272
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: But you know, that is one where you can see

1273
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: that Hunter went out of his way to not pay,

1274
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, and do his due diligence or sorry, his

1275
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: duty in terms of providing for them, and then also

1276
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: effectively treated her as like a political pawn his own child,

1277
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: and that for some reason, President Biden effectively deferred this

1278
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: disgraceful behavior to his son and just said I'm going

1279
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: to take his lead on it, which is why he

1280
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: refused to even acknowledge her exist existence until she was

1281
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 2: a four year old, which you know, we talked about

1282
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: this previously, Crystal, but genuinely might be one of the

1283
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: most personally disgraceful things that we've seen from President Biden

1284
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: that he has not received due criticism for.

1285
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 4: I one percent agree.

1286
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: And the way that you know, we played how the

1287
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: view is trying to cover for our feeling. Oh well,

1288
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: this is a Hunter issue. This is really not on Joe.

1289
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: It's like really, yeah, And it's very relevant when you're

1290
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: talking about a man who puts family front and center,

1291
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: and it's a core part of his political pitch is

1292
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: that he's this great family man and he talks about

1293
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: his family all the time, talks about his other grandchildren

1294
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: all the time. That they had to be shamed even

1295
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: into even acknowledging this child's existence. I mean, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you say at this point that

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Speaker 1: Staine does not get removed and the real feelings come

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Speaker 1: out in this child support arrangement where yeah, Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: first of all fought them tooth and nail, and second

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Speaker 1: of all, as part of the agreement, made them accept

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Speaker 1: that she could not have the Biden name because apparently

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Speaker 1: they didn't want the Biden name tainted by some commoners

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Speaker 1: from Arkansas. It is the height of elitist snobbery. It

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Speaker 1: is heartless and yeah, no statement to People magazine is

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Speaker 1: going to put that back in the box. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I would say here, though, is you know, it

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Speaker 1: does show you when the liberal paper of record decides

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Speaker 1: to do any sort of scrutiny that it does have power.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if they, you know, took this kind of critical

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Speaker 1: lens to Biden, the Democrats more regularly, what sort of things,

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Speaker 1: what sort of change might come from that? Because they

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Speaker 1: were not going to They explicitly had told the Biden

1313
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Speaker 1: aids and everybody around him, like, we are not acknowledging

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01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: this grandchild. He has six grandchildren, not seven. So this

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: was explicit White House policy coming directly from Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: and you know, a New York Times column had the

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Speaker 1: power to at least shame them into acknowledging.

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Speaker 4: This child's existence.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's also worth recalling when Biden was first

1320
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Speaker 1: asked about this little girl what his response was, and

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: you can see I think the tone and judge for

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: yourself how he really feels about all of those takeisms.

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Speaker 9: I'm wondering if you have a comment on this report

1324
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 9: and court filing out of Arkansas that your son Hunter

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 9: just made you of grandfather.

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Speaker 11: Against No, that's a private matter.

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Speaker 12: I have no comments.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: We have so just flashing out there, lashing out no comment.

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Speaker 1: It's that, I mean, that was the first reaction, and

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01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: it took four years and a New York Times shaming

1332
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Speaker 1: for them to even say that this child exists.

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Speaker 2: What's classy asking the current presidential candidate whether he wants

1334
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: to acknowledge it or like, what's going on with his

1335
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: publicly like shameful son or you know, just refusing to

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: acknowledge your fourth grandchild. And so she's four years old,

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: cognitively functioning enough to know that her freaking grandfather as

1338
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: president of the United States. And then if you know that,

1339
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: then you also wonder why haven't they called me?

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 3: How come nobody cares about? Yeah, why haven't I met?

1341
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: So?

1342
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: I can see them on television, but nobody has the

1343
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: But I mean that can really screw you up as

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Speaker 2: a kid.

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Speaker 3: I said it last time.

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Speaker 2: I believe Look, and this is the other thing about Hunter.

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Speaker 2: I think you said this last time. So when Hunter

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01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: decides to divorce his wife and date his dead brother's

1349
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: wife for some reason, they were willing to issue a

1350
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Speaker 2: statement of support, and they're willing to acknowledge that and

1351
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: be cool, you know, with his But why on this

1352
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: one were they not willing to just come out and

1353
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: be like, look, whatever is going on between her and Hunter?

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Speaker 2: That's fine, you know, in terms of the mother. But

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Speaker 2: we're not going to take this out on an innocent child.

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Speaker 2: I also said this politically. How many people in this

1357
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: country grandma's grandparents are raising the kids of their son's daughters.

1358
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, who fell into a bad situation because of drum,

1359
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: Millions of people are in the.

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Speaker 3: Exact same situation.

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Speaker 2: It would only make you more empathetic and connective to

1362
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: a lot of I think especially you know, white working

1363
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: class and poor voters who disproportionately have been affected by

1364
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Speaker 2: this exact same arrangement. And they would say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: he's doing the right thing. You know, I was fifty

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: five years old. I didn't want to step up. I

1367
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: had to do it. There's a lot of people in

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01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: this country in that situation, and he could have stepped

1369
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: up in the same thing, but instead he chose the

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Speaker 2: wrong way to go about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all well said. All right, Tager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at?

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Speaker 2: The media in this town love to talk about democracy.

1374
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: Everything's an attack on it, it's under threat, it's going away.

1375
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: In a sense, they're right, but not for the right

1376
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: reasons for them. It's when they're usually talking about things

1377
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: that are bad for Democrats. Or are about Trump. They

1378
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: always fail to miss the actual picture. What does it

1379
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: look like for democracies that are in trouble. One of

1380
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: the first and important signs of one that is not

1381
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: doing well is a permanent elected class which does not

1382
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: respond to the wants of a dynamic pop sound familiar.

1383
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 2: It should, especially after this week, when the world really

1384
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: got to see how robust our democracy is. Our eighty

1385
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: one year old Senate minority leader, one of the most powerful,

1386
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: praid people in the entire country, freezes for twenty seconds

1387
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: on camera during a medical event, brushes it off, refuses

1388
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: to tell the public what the issue was, didn't even

1389
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: commit to stepping down. Twenty four hours later, the ninety

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Speaker 2: one year old senior Senator from California, Diane Feinstein literally

1391
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: had to be scolded by her colleagues to quote, just

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: vote I when she got confused as to where she was.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, take a listen, Senor.

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Speaker 10: Feinstein, pardon me, yeah, to say I would like to

1395
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Speaker 10: support a yes vote on this.

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Speaker 13: It provides eight hundred and twenty three billion. That's an

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Speaker 13: increase of twenty six billion for the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 13: and it funds priorities submitted.

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Speaker 10: Yeah just say okay, just.

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Speaker 11: Hie, thank you.

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: Presiding over that system is our eighty one year old

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01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: president running for reelection, who is now forced to use

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: the tiny stairs on air Force one to avoid tripping

1404
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: and falling.

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: Because at his age he could actually die.

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: When I say our democracy is dying, I almost mean

1407
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: it quite literally, considering that an actuarial table tells us

1408
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: one of these three individuals has a very high chance

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 2: of dropping dead from natural causes in just the next

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: twelve months. With the real problem with our garontocracy is

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Speaker 2: not just those three individuals, it's the dying system that

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Speaker 2: they represent. Our current Congress is the third oldest Congress

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: since the Founding Fathers convened in seventeen eighty nine. The

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: issue that we have, as you can see from the

1415
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Speaker 2: graphic in front of you, is not the six percent

1416
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: of the Congress that is currently in the silent generation,

1417
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: but to put it kindly, they're not exactly long for

1418
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: this world. The issue is the aging baby boomers that

1419
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: make up almost fifty percent of Congress that are fully

1420
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: internalized into this modern system where competitive primaries are basically dead.

1421
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: Social norms no longer force people to retire through any

1422
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: sense of duty to the public. And as you can

1423
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Speaker 2: see in front of you, the median age of Congress

1424
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: right now in both chambers is at an all time high.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy to consider this, but there was a time

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Speaker 2: in the early eighties where the median age of a

1427
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Speaker 2: senator was mid fifties. The median age of a representative

1428
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: in the House was in the forties. What happened, well,

1429
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: they stayed. They refuse to step down, not only from

1430
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: leadership but from their general seats. They've enjoyed the perks

1431
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: of office, nice fat stock market returns. They have taxpayer

1432
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: funded staffs that do everything for them. As the graphic

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Speaker 2: in front of you here shows you, there have been

1434
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Speaker 2: two major breaking points in the history of the country

1435
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: from normalizing old people on Congress. The first time that

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01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: the percentage of people over the age of seventy spiked

1437
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: above ten percent was nineteen forty six. That time period

1438
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Speaker 2: in Congress is very significant because it came upon the

1439
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: tail end of the absolute power that the South had

1440
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: built up through Jim Crow. Effectively, the way that it

1441
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: worked at that time was that Southern states became uniparty

1442
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: political machines. They sent the same man to Congress year

1443
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: after year, very few competitive primaries, and it enabled them

1444
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: both to stay until they died. But also because they

1445
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: amassed immense power through the seniority system. The entire Congress

1446
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: of that time ran only on senior privilege, where the

1447
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: chairman of the most powerful committees was not decided by

1448
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: party bosses, but entirely through how long you've been in office.

1449
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: So for those who have read one of my favorite books,

1450
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: Master of the Senate, you know that it took a

1451
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: singular force in American history to change all of that.

1452
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: Lyndon B.

1453
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 2: Johnson somehow slowly wrestled power away from the geriatric Southerners,

1454
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 2: slowly chipped away at the seniority system, and culminated eventually

1455
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: in the destruction of Jim Crow under his presidency and

1456
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: the Voting Rights Act. And wouldn't you know it, destroying

1457
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: the voting hold of power on Jim Crow overnight destroyed

1458
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: the percentage of people in the Senate over seventy. The

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: previous high of people over seventy was eleven percent in

1460
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight. That fell to a near all time

1461
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: low four percent in nineteen eighty one. But as with

1462
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: all political changes, the new Guard seems a lot like

1463
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: the Old Guard. Slowly but surely, the Reagan Revolution turned

1464
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: into the Reagan Establishment between nineteen eighty one and the

1465
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties. Suddenly we are right back to almost

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01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: where we started. It was exactly during this period that

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01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: some of the worst defenders in our politics entered the Chamber.

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell eighty nine year old Chuck Grassley, Dianne Feinstein,

1469
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi eighty six year old Representative Napolitano in the House,

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: many many more. After two thousand and four, we were

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Speaker 2: truly after the races. We broke the all time record

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Speaker 2: of eleven percent, skyrocketed hire and hire every year since.

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01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: We now stand at a stunning twenty five percent of

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01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: the entire Chamber over the age of seventy. Little chance

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: of change anytime soon. Take the Senate, for example, the

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01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: two people who were standing behind Mitch McConnell during his

1477
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 2: health episode to potentially take his place, Senator John Thune

1478
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Speaker 2: and Senator John Cornyn. Cornyn, he's already seventy one. Thune,

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: I guess he's a spring chicken. He's sixty two years old.

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01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: On the other side of the aisle, Schumer is one

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: of the most is one of the youngest most powerful

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: people in Washington. He's seventy two. His number two Dick Durbin,

1483
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: he's seventy eight. We have an epidemic in Congress of

1484
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: not only extraordinarily old and infirm people hanging on at

1485
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: the top, but really of the median senator being much

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: closer to nursing home age than at any time in

1487
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:44,520
Speaker 2: modern history. No internal dynamics that forced these people from office. Unfortunately,

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 2: as we have all seen, public shame. It's not enough

1489
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 2: to get someone like Feinstein, who look at this point

1490
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: fully has lost her mind to step down. Shame doesn't

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: work on people with that much ego and from a

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01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: machine state like California. There's really only one solution in need,

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: an age limit for all all federal bureaucrats and elected representatives.

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: Call me ages if you want. I don't care.

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01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: In my opinion, if you're a day old or seventy five,

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 2: you gotta go.

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Speaker 3: Just walk.

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 2: Don't take it from me, Take it from Chuck Hagel,

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: he's actually a former US senator. When he was asked

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Speaker 2: about this, he's currently aged seventy seven, he said, quote,

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking embarrassing, But it's up to the individual to

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: come to grips with the reality. He's a former Nebraska

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: senator who left office in two thousand and nine. The

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01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 2: reality is quote, we are not going backwards. We are

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01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: all getting older at seventy seven versus sixty two when

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01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: I left the Senate, I have pains.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know that I should have take it

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Speaker 3: from him.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, Crystal, I mean that quote, Christal, what

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Speaker 2: are you ty going to look at?

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, if you watched a Trump rally on the

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Speaker 1: right wing outlet Newsmax recently, might have looked a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit like this.

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Speaker 1: You can see here you've got Trump on the left

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 1: side doing his Trumpian thing, and the entire right side

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Speaker 1: on the screen taken up by an ad for American

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Speaker 1: Hartford gold Coins Trump speech special to add for offer

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Speaker 1: details text Trump to this number.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: This ad was particularly intrusive and notable, but far from

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Speaker 1: one off for Hartford or the entire sketchy world of

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: gold iras. In this world, salesman hucksters try to shake

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: down scared seniors and get them to shift their retirement

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Speaker 1: from funds from their traditional iras and four oh one

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: k's into gold coins that these companies sell at an

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01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: exorbitant markup, according to analysis for The Washington Post Quote,

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: since October twenty twenty, email newsletters distributed by newsmas have

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Speaker 1: included more than eleven hundred ads for gold IRA companies,

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: nearly a quarter of all NEWSMACS email ads reviewed by

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: The Post at one thousand dollars of five thousand dollars each.

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: According to Augusta financial records from twenty sixteen, also reviewed

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: by the Post, the ads likely generate more than a

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: million dollars a year in revenue for that company. Now,

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: conservative influencers and politicians they also regularly haf these products.

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: One email that went out from American Hertford that same company,

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01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: and fluted endorsement from Bill O'Reilly. Ted Cruz's podcast has

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Speaker 1: featured ads from the company. Rudy Juliani called Hertford quote

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: the experts I trust. Most companies like Hartford prey on

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: real economic anxiety triggered by both actual and hyperbolic claims

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: to offer a supposed solution that in reality is just

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01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: robbing seniors blind. The Post talked to one retiree named

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: Ed de Santo, who was lured in by the ads

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Speaker 1: he heard on some of his favorite channels and shows.

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: He was persuaded to invest one hundred thousand dollars lump

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: sum payment from his pension into a.

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Speaker 4: Hartford Gold Ira.

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: Little did he know gold and silver he was purchasing

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: it been marked up ninety two percent. That means that

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: his one hundred k only netted him fifty three thousand

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: dollars in actual value. In other words, they basically just

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01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: stole about half of his money. A recent sec complaint

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: against another similar company, red Rock Secured, reveals even more

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01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: details about exactly how these scams work. According to a

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: company email that was obtained by the government, red Rocks

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: Secured specifically targeted people who were quote right wing conservative,

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01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 1: fifty nine plus years of age, male and female, interest

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Speaker 1: in retirement investments, owns a four h one K or

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: I or right and anyone who works for the government

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: and owns a thrift savings plan. This type of fraud

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01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: targeting is called an affinity scam. You portray yourself and

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01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: your company is having some sort of shared interests or

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: belonging to a common group. In this instance, it's conservatives.

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: You're opposed to Joe Biden democratic policies. Companies in the

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: space use trusted right wing figures and networks for their advertising,

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01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,959
Speaker 1: places like Fox News News mex conservative podcast hosts. Affinity

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: scams really prey on the natural human inclination to trust

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: people who are in your in group, and allow political

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01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: influencers to monetize their audience trust profiting up of scamming

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: the very people who are most.

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Speaker 4: Supportive of their careers.

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Speaker 1: Given that mainstream advertisers increasingly steer clear of hard right content,

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: the ad space is cheap and the audience of disproportionately

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: elderly people ripe for scamming. In the specific case of

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01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,959
Speaker 1: red Rock Secured, the government alleges that the company outright

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: lied to their customers. In one instance, they told a

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: customer they would be charging him a mere one point

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: eight three percent fee and that the customer would also

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: be receiving fifteen percent in quote bonus medal. In reality,

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: red Rock charged the customer a one hundred and thirty

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: percent markup and there was no bonus medal, whatever that is.

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01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,560
Speaker 1: The government also claims that, in order to establish credibility,

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: a top Red Rock executive claimed he had a phing

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: economics and a PhD in international markets, and he compelled

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: other employees to refer to him as doctor Tony Spencer

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: when transferring customer phone calls to his line. He also

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: claimed that he had been working with clients for over

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: twenty five years. Of course, in reality, he had no

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: such degrees and had been working the space for at

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: most eleven years, and that work appears to have mostly

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: entailed scamming people. These goldbug scams go back a long time, though,

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: and they significantly predate even the Biden era.

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 4: Back in the heyday of Glenn.

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: Beck's Fox News Show, following the financial collapse during the

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01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: rise of the Tea Party, Beck leaned hard in to

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: gold as a safe haven for troubled times. In an

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: article that was written at that time, Mother Jones documented

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: how his program, increasingly facing mainstream advertiser boycotts, would not

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: only host goldbug ads, but would also feature entire segments

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: dedicated to the importance of hoarding gold. As they wrote,

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: quote tune into Glenbeck's Fox News Show or syndicated radio program,

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01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: you'll soon learn about the precarious state of the US

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: dollar currency on the verge of collapse due to runaway

1604
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: government spending. A ballooning national debt and imminent Zimbabwe style hyperinflation.

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: To defend yourself against the coming financial holocaust, Beck explain

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: on his radio show last November, you need to quote

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01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: think like a German Jew in nineteen thirty four, maybe

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,440
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty one, and that means thinking about buying some gold.

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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: Intellectual framework for these scams, though, goes back even further

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01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: more than one hundred years, to debates over the gold

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: stand the association of gold with libertarian politics. The gold standard,

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: in this ideological worldview, is meant to check the excesses

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: of the progressive welfare state, gold being the pure store

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01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: of value versus paper money, which can be corrupted by

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01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: crooked politicians. So couple this ideological inclination with genuine economic procarity,

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01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: partisan fear mongering, and sell it from the mouths of

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01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 1: trusted figures. You've got a personal financial disaster just waiting

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01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: to happen. No accident that these gold scams are back

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: with vengeance at a time of massive anxiety among our

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01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: elderly about how they're going to afford to live out

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: their retirement, something many say they actually fear more than

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: they fear death. According to a recent study, eighty percent

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: of American households with older adults are either currently financially

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: struggling or they are at risk. The rise of market

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01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: base where retirement plans over defined benefit pensions, means that

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: seniors genuinely do find themselves more at risk to the

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: whims of the market and vulnerable to potential disaster and

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: crash than previous generations. Desperation and fear, of course, breeds vulnerability.

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,959
Speaker 1: These influencers taking advertiser cash to scam their own audience

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01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: without any scruples, they should be ashamed of themselves. The

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01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: government needs to do a lot more to crack down

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: on these scams, to protecting inns and more importantly, to

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01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: ease the procarity that has left so many such easy prey.

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Speaker 4: For all of you out there, just don't be an

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 4: easy mark.

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 1: Just because someone you like is selling something, that doesn't

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01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: mean they have your best interests at heart. And these

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01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: things SAGA have so proliferated. And what was amazing in

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01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: that Washington Post.

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