Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's chuck. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is short stuff. Uh. Let's go, hey ho, let's
Speaker 1: go with the Habsburgs. Habs God Jake two Habsburg jaw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the habsburgs. Oh Man had set it out loud until
Speaker 1: just now we're in the Habsburg's jaw. I think the tendencies.
Speaker 1: I want to say Habsburg with a P, but it's
Speaker 1: Habsburg with a B. Although in America we've added the
Speaker 1: P and it's just so prevalent now and we're America.
Speaker 1: That's what it is now. It's Habsburg, Yeah with a
Speaker 1: B is in Boy, would you look at that jaw? Right?
Speaker 1: This is not to be confused. The Habsburg jaw is
Speaker 1: not to be confused with the Hellsburg jaw, which is
Speaker 1: what happens when you walk into a Hellsburg diamond store.
Speaker 1: Your jaw hits the floor are because the prices are
Speaker 1: so reasonable on really great jewelry. Oh man, if you
Speaker 1: don't get a kick back on that, I just see
Speaker 1: you next time. And you've got the big love hate
Speaker 1: diamond rings like radio from do the Right Thing I
Speaker 1: want I love hey diamond grill sweet. I wonder how
Speaker 1: they'd sound podcasting probably not great. Well, Hellsburg Diamonds, let's
Speaker 1: figure it out, you know. Alright, So who we're talking
Speaker 1: about are the Habsburgs, and they were a big ruling
Speaker 1: family in uh well, kind of all over the place
Speaker 1: in Europe. At the peak of their fame, I guess,
Speaker 1: or the peak at their rule, they had Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Bohemia, Slovakia, Croatia,
Speaker 1: and a little bit of Italy, Romania and Poland all
Speaker 1: under their purview, like not just their purview, under their thumb,
Speaker 1: in their iron grip of this dynastic family that ruled
Speaker 1: these area is for hundreds of years. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: up until nineteen eighteen. It took the First World War
Speaker 1: to break up the Habsburg dynasty. Yeah, that's a long time,
Speaker 1: it really is, because they originally came to power, Chuck,
Speaker 1: and I think the thirteenth century in in Germany, when
Speaker 1: a guy named Rudolph the First became the Roman German
Speaker 1: king um, which is, you know, nothing to sneeze at
Speaker 1: for sure, But apparently he had a rival, uh in
Speaker 1: nearby Austria, in the form of Auto car ill prem
Speaker 1: premise il premise. I'm going with Premisel Yeah, it feels
Speaker 1: like there should be another vowel in there, but there's not.
Speaker 1: So that why is doing like double or triple duty
Speaker 1: right there? But it's working well. Anyway, we're gonna call
Speaker 1: him Auto Car. Auto Car said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't really recognize you as the Roman German king, so
Speaker 1: we're going to be rivals, which really doesn't matter in
Speaker 1: this story, yawn. The fact that it drew Rudolph the
Speaker 1: first attention to Austria, and so when Auto Car was killed,
Speaker 1: he kind of moved in and set up shop and
Speaker 1: basically took over Austria. Yeah, and so that's where they
Speaker 1: got their start, and then for the next century, basically
Speaker 1: they really did a lot of conquesting, conquering, and they
Speaker 1: took over they don't want to say something dubb in
Speaker 1: front of it's great, it's charming. Uh. They took over
Speaker 1: to the Troll, which is the place in the Alps
Speaker 1: that Austria Northern Italy shared in the thirteen mid hundreds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and also Chuck where Ootsi lived and died thousands
Speaker 1: of years heyroleon. And by the time the fifteen hundreds
Speaker 1: rolled around is when they were really rolling. The Emperor
Speaker 1: Maximilian or I guess future Emperor married Charles the Bold's
Speaker 1: daughter Mary, and then all of a sudden they had
Speaker 1: control of Burgundy and also a little catch at Yeah,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, like that was that was an
Speaker 1: enormous move. So they were making all sorts of moves, right,
Speaker 1: They were making moves, gaining and consolidating power through conquering um,
Speaker 1: through marrying um. Well just basically those two things. But
Speaker 1: it was working for him big time. I bet there
Speaker 1: was one more thing. Um, let's see, how would you
Speaker 1: do that? You would conquer things, you would marry people,
Speaker 1: and then you would send like be known for sending
Speaker 1: really great thank you notes as follow ups. Sure that
Speaker 1: could that could definitely win you some friends. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what the third thing was. So here's the deal
Speaker 1: with this jaw because you saw the title of the
Speaker 1: episode and you've heard her say that a couple of times,
Speaker 1: is they had a They had jaws that would make
Speaker 1: Jay Leno blush if you looked up some of these folks,
Speaker 1: Joseph the Charles, one of Spain, uh, Charles Second, Leopold Wilhelm,
Speaker 1: they had this very very prominent lower jaw and basically
Speaker 1: people got together and study this over the years and
Speaker 1: we'll get a little bit more into why this happens.
Speaker 1: And they said, we're just gonna go ahead and name
Speaker 1: this the Habsburg jaw because it's so prevalent in this
Speaker 1: family line. And they did. That's why everybody calls it
Speaker 1: the Habsburg jaw. And if you have never seen it before,
Speaker 1: you probably haven't didn't really realize it. But if you haven't,
Speaker 1: either way, just go look up Habsburg jaw h A
Speaker 1: B S b U R G jaw and it will
Speaker 1: bring up some old timey um Middle Ages Renaissance era
Speaker 1: oil paintings and you will see quite clearly what people
Speaker 1: are talking about when they say the Habsburg jaw. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it before, um, it's just a
Speaker 1: very prominent lower jaw and there's an underbyte and it's
Speaker 1: just it's very distinctive. Yeah, And if you don't, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're driving or something right now and you
Speaker 1: can't look it up. You know, like the cartoonish characters
Speaker 1: of like the Blue Blood who are like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: astonding that that face that the cartoon makes is they're
Speaker 1: they're drawn with the Habsburg jaw. They're actually making fun
Speaker 1: of aristocrats as well. We'll see you in a minute.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. We don't want to make fun
Speaker 1: of anyone that has something like this, but we were
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out a good way to describe it.
Speaker 1: It's a prominent lower jaw such that there's even an underbyte. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so well, let's take a break real quick and
Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about it a little bit more. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, Chuck. So we're back, um, and we were
Speaker 1: talking kind of describing the Habsburg jaw. There's actually a
Speaker 1: medical term for it, because the Habsburgs aren't the only
Speaker 1: ones who have this jaw, um, and you can have
Speaker 1: it to varying degrees. But technically it's called mandibular prognathism.
Speaker 1: And that is where the lower jaw juts really far forward,
Speaker 1: so that you have what what you would colloquially colloquially
Speaker 1: call it an underbike, right, But the with the Habsburg
Speaker 1: jaw in particular, it's to such a degree that the
Speaker 1: teeth no longer even line up. It's just really sticking
Speaker 1: out there. That's mandibular prognathism. And then what they also
Speaker 1: figured out is that the Habsburg also had something called
Speaker 1: mandibular deficiency to right, Yeah, and that can affect your
Speaker 1: ability to eat, your ability to speak. Um. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to this, agree, but you know
Speaker 1: you remember from brook Sisum, I've got a sort of
Speaker 1: an even by it, and my lower jaw sticks out
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm not I'm not Habsburgian, no, but
Speaker 1: I feel their pain with the Habsburg jaw in particular.
Speaker 1: It's it's pronounced enough to degree that like the muscular
Speaker 1: skeletal composition is um. It's it's different. It's it's just
Speaker 1: a very prominent um. Look like you said, so um.
Speaker 1: What they figured out was that because of this, and
Speaker 1: based on some documentary evidence too, that some Habsburgs at
Speaker 1: least um. I believe Charles the second, the ruler of Spain,
Speaker 1: there's a contemporary account of him from the eighteenth century
Speaker 1: UM that basically said, like his jaw was so out
Speaker 1: of line and his teeth were so out of line.
Speaker 1: Because of this jaw, he couldn't chew. He had to
Speaker 1: swallow his food whole. Can we just read this? It's
Speaker 1: so yeah. This is from Spain under Charles the Second
Speaker 1: by Alexander stan Hope. That's Doug Stain, Hope's grandfather. Wait,
Speaker 1: he's Dug Stain up, the stand up comedian. Oh, that's right. Um.
Speaker 1: And he was speaking about Charles the Second. He has
Speaker 1: a ravenous stomach and swallows all he eats whole, for
Speaker 1: his nether jaw stands so much out that his two
Speaker 1: rows of teeth cannot meet to compensate, which he has
Speaker 1: a prodigious wide throat, so that a gizzard or liver
Speaker 1: of a hen passes down whole in his weak stomach,
Speaker 1: not being able to digest it, he voids in the
Speaker 1: same manner. So he's just pooping out whole chicken, gizzards,
Speaker 1: gizzard and gizzard out. Yeah, that's what that's the old
Speaker 1: the old statement. So, Um, when people started talking about
Speaker 1: the Habsburg jaw like like, it's because they figured out
Speaker 1: over time, like this is a real thing and it
Speaker 1: was very distinct for this family. Um. And it became
Speaker 1: a thing years ago, centuries ago, people were aware of
Speaker 1: the Habsburg jaw and and and and just remarked on it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until I believe that the one century
Speaker 1: that people started doing studies on it as best they could. Um.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say they're kind of made up
Speaker 1: studies and that there was no actual genetic um testing
Speaker 1: to figure out what what you know, accounted for the
Speaker 1: Habsburg jaw. But they were doing the best they could
Speaker 1: based on portraiture of of prominent Habsburgs um and came
Speaker 1: up with some pretty interesting stuff. Well yeah, I mean that. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, do we need a drum roll here to
Speaker 1: say what's actually going on? If you haven't figured it
Speaker 1: out by now, then sure we'll give you a drum roll, Dave,
Speaker 1: when you put a drum roll and put alrighty. The
Speaker 1: Habsburgs like to keep it in the family. And when
Speaker 1: we say keep it in the family, we mean really
Speaker 1: keep it in the family. This jaw was a result uh,
Speaker 1: pretty obviously of in breeding, yes, which is not to
Speaker 1: say that anybody who has mandibular prognathism today uh is
Speaker 1: the result of in breeding, of course not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a recessive trade. And um, you know, when
Speaker 1: people that aren't in the same family get together, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have those heterozygous genes and they're going
Speaker 1: to carry different traits and that's all how it's supposed
Speaker 1: to work. But if you are in the same family. Um,
Speaker 1: that may not be the case. If you have homozygouss
Speaker 1: and get together with a family member and make another
Speaker 1: family member, they're going to have those same traits right, right,
Speaker 1: because the chromosomes are going to be so similar that
Speaker 1: the chances of both parents having the recessive gene and
Speaker 1: donating that to the kid really increases the likelihood of
Speaker 1: that kid having that recessive trait. There's a guy that's
Speaker 1: quoted in this article. Um, he's a geneticist named. This
Speaker 1: guy's name is Great Montgomery Slatkin's great he. Um. He
Speaker 1: says that if you are a child of inbreeding, you
Speaker 1: have your chances are hundreds of thousands of times greater
Speaker 1: of receiving these recessive traits then of um children of
Speaker 1: parents who aren't related in any way. That's right. So
Speaker 1: that was it. The Habsburgs. They wanted to consolidate power
Speaker 1: so much so that they just said, you're marrying your sister,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, and that the sun
Speaker 1: would say, but jan And that's it for short stuff Everybody.
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