WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Habsburg Jaw

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's chuck. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is short stuff. Uh. Let's go, hey ho, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go with the Habsburgs. Habs God Jake two Habsburg jaw. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the habsburgs. Oh Man had set it out loud until

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<v Speaker 1>just now we're in the Habsburg's jaw. I think the tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say Habsburg with a P, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>Habsburg with a B. Although in America we've added the

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<v Speaker 1>P and it's just so prevalent now and we're America.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is now. It's Habsburg, Yeah with a

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<v Speaker 1>B is in Boy, would you look at that jaw? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>This is not to be confused. The Habsburg jaw is

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<v Speaker 1>not to be confused with the Hellsburg jaw, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you walk into a Hellsburg diamond store.

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<v Speaker 1>Your jaw hits the floor are because the prices are

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<v Speaker 1>so reasonable on really great jewelry. Oh man, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get a kick back on that, I just see

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<v Speaker 1>you next time. And you've got the big love hate

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<v Speaker 1>diamond rings like radio from do the Right Thing I

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<v Speaker 1>want I love hey diamond grill sweet. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>they'd sound podcasting probably not great. Well, Hellsburg Diamonds, let's

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out, you know. Alright, So who we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about are the Habsburgs, and they were a big ruling

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<v Speaker 1>family in uh well, kind of all over the place

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe. At the peak of their fame, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>or the peak at their rule, they had Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Bohemia, Slovakia, Croatia,

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<v Speaker 1>and a little bit of Italy, Romania and Poland all

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<v Speaker 1>under their purview, like not just their purview, under their thumb,

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<v Speaker 1>in their iron grip of this dynastic family that ruled

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<v Speaker 1>these area is for hundreds of years. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>up until nineteen eighteen. It took the First World War

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<v Speaker 1>to break up the Habsburg dynasty. Yeah, that's a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is, because they originally came to power, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the thirteenth century in in Germany, when

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Rudolph the First became the Roman German

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<v Speaker 1>king um, which is, you know, nothing to sneeze at

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, But apparently he had a rival, uh in

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<v Speaker 1>nearby Austria, in the form of Auto car ill prem

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<v Speaker 1>premise il premise. I'm going with Premisel Yeah, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like there should be another vowel in there, but there's not.

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<v Speaker 1>So that why is doing like double or triple duty

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<v Speaker 1>right there? But it's working well. Anyway, we're gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>him Auto Car. Auto Car said, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really recognize you as the Roman German king, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be rivals, which really doesn't matter in

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<v Speaker 1>this story, yawn. The fact that it drew Rudolph the

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<v Speaker 1>first attention to Austria, and so when Auto Car was killed,

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of moved in and set up shop and

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<v Speaker 1>basically took over Austria. Yeah, and so that's where they

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<v Speaker 1>got their start, and then for the next century, basically

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<v Speaker 1>they really did a lot of conquesting, conquering, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took over they don't want to say something dubb in

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<v Speaker 1>front of it's great, it's charming. Uh. They took over

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<v Speaker 1>to the Troll, which is the place in the Alps

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<v Speaker 1>that Austria Northern Italy shared in the thirteen mid hundreds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and also Chuck where Ootsi lived and died thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years heyroleon. And by the time the fifteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>rolled around is when they were really rolling. The Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>Maximilian or I guess future Emperor married Charles the Bold's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter Mary, and then all of a sudden they had

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<v Speaker 1>control of Burgundy and also a little catch at Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I understand, like that was that was an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous move. So they were making all sorts of moves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They were making moves, gaining and consolidating power through conquering um,

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<v Speaker 1>through marrying um. Well just basically those two things. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was working for him big time. I bet there

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<v Speaker 1>was one more thing. Um, let's see, how would you

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<v Speaker 1>do that? You would conquer things, you would marry people,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would send like be known for sending

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<v Speaker 1>really great thank you notes as follow ups. Sure that

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<v Speaker 1>could that could definitely win you some friends. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the third thing was. So here's the deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this jaw because you saw the title of the

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<v Speaker 1>episode and you've heard her say that a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>is they had a They had jaws that would make

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Leno blush if you looked up some of these folks,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph the Charles, one of Spain, uh, Charles Second, Leopold Wilhelm,

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<v Speaker 1>they had this very very prominent lower jaw and basically

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<v Speaker 1>people got together and study this over the years and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get a little bit more into why this happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said, we're just gonna go ahead and name

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<v Speaker 1>this the Habsburg jaw because it's so prevalent in this

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<v Speaker 1>family line. And they did. That's why everybody calls it

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<v Speaker 1>the Habsburg jaw. And if you have never seen it before,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably haven't didn't really realize it. But if you haven't,

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<v Speaker 1>either way, just go look up Habsburg jaw h A

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<v Speaker 1>B S b U R G jaw and it will

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<v Speaker 1>bring up some old timey um Middle Ages Renaissance era

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<v Speaker 1>oil paintings and you will see quite clearly what people

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about when they say the Habsburg jaw. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen it before, um, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>very prominent lower jaw and there's an underbyte and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's very distinctive. Yeah, And if you don't, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're if you're driving or something right now and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't look it up. You know, like the cartoonish characters

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<v Speaker 1>of like the Blue Blood who are like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>astonding that that face that the cartoon makes is they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're drawn with the Habsburg jaw. They're actually making fun

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<v Speaker 1>of aristocrats as well. We'll see you in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing. We don't want to make fun

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<v Speaker 1>of anyone that has something like this, but we were

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to figure out a good way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a prominent lower jaw such that there's even an underbyte. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So so well, let's take a break real quick and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and talk about it a little bit more. Okay, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Chuck. So we're back, um, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking kind of describing the Habsburg jaw. There's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>medical term for it, because the Habsburgs aren't the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones who have this jaw, um, and you can have

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<v Speaker 1>it to varying degrees. But technically it's called mandibular prognathism.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is where the lower jaw juts really far forward,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you have what what you would colloquially colloquially

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<v Speaker 1>call it an underbike, right, But the with the Habsburg

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<v Speaker 1>jaw in particular, it's to such a degree that the

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<v Speaker 1>teeth no longer even line up. It's just really sticking

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<v Speaker 1>out there. That's mandibular prognathism. And then what they also

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<v Speaker 1>figured out is that the Habsburg also had something called

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<v Speaker 1>mandibular deficiency to right, Yeah, and that can affect your

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<v Speaker 1>ability to eat, your ability to speak. Um. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything to this, agree, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>you remember from brook Sisum, I've got a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an even by it, and my lower jaw sticks out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I'm not I'm not Habsburgian, no, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel their pain with the Habsburg jaw in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's pronounced enough to degree that like the muscular

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<v Speaker 1>skeletal composition is um. It's it's different. It's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a very prominent um. Look like you said, so um.

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<v Speaker 1>What they figured out was that because of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>based on some documentary evidence too, that some Habsburgs at

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<v Speaker 1>least um. I believe Charles the second, the ruler of Spain,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a contemporary account of him from the eighteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>UM that basically said, like his jaw was so out

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<v Speaker 1>of line and his teeth were so out of line.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of this jaw, he couldn't chew. He had to

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<v Speaker 1>swallow his food whole. Can we just read this? It's

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah. This is from Spain under Charles the Second

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<v Speaker 1>by Alexander stan Hope. That's Doug Stain, Hope's grandfather. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>he's Dug Stain up, the stand up comedian. Oh, that's right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was speaking about Charles the Second. He has

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<v Speaker 1>a ravenous stomach and swallows all he eats whole, for

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<v Speaker 1>his nether jaw stands so much out that his two

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<v Speaker 1>rows of teeth cannot meet to compensate, which he has

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<v Speaker 1>a prodigious wide throat, so that a gizzard or liver

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<v Speaker 1>of a hen passes down whole in his weak stomach,

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<v Speaker 1>not being able to digest it, he voids in the

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<v Speaker 1>same manner. So he's just pooping out whole chicken, gizzards,

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<v Speaker 1>gizzard and gizzard out. Yeah, that's what that's the old

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<v Speaker 1>the old statement. So, Um, when people started talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Habsburg jaw like like, it's because they figured out

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<v Speaker 1>over time, like this is a real thing and it

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<v Speaker 1>was very distinct for this family. Um. And it became

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<v Speaker 1>a thing years ago, centuries ago, people were aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the Habsburg jaw and and and and just remarked on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't until I believe that the one century

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<v Speaker 1>that people started doing studies on it as best they could. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say they're kind of made up

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<v Speaker 1>studies and that there was no actual genetic um testing

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what what you know, accounted for the

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<v Speaker 1>Habsburg jaw. But they were doing the best they could

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<v Speaker 1>based on portraiture of of prominent Habsburgs um and came

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<v Speaker 1>up with some pretty interesting stuff. Well yeah, I mean that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do we need a drum roll here to

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<v Speaker 1>say what's actually going on? If you haven't figured it

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<v Speaker 1>out by now, then sure we'll give you a drum roll, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put a drum roll and put alrighty. The

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<v Speaker 1>Habsburgs like to keep it in the family. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we say keep it in the family, we mean really

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<v Speaker 1>keep it in the family. This jaw was a result uh,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty obviously of in breeding, yes, which is not to

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<v Speaker 1>say that anybody who has mandibular prognathism today uh is

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<v Speaker 1>the result of in breeding, of course not. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's a recessive trade. And um, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>people that aren't in the same family get together, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're gonna have those heterozygous genes and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to carry different traits and that's all how it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to work. But if you are in the same family. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that may not be the case. If you have homozygouss

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<v Speaker 1>and get together with a family member and make another

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<v Speaker 1>family member, they're going to have those same traits right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because the chromosomes are going to be so similar that

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<v Speaker 1>the chances of both parents having the recessive gene and

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<v Speaker 1>donating that to the kid really increases the likelihood of

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<v Speaker 1>that kid having that recessive trait. There's a guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>quoted in this article. Um, he's a geneticist named. This

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<v Speaker 1>guy's name is Great Montgomery Slatkin's great he. Um. He

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<v Speaker 1>says that if you are a child of inbreeding, you

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<v Speaker 1>have your chances are hundreds of thousands of times greater

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<v Speaker 1>of receiving these recessive traits then of um children of

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<v Speaker 1>parents who aren't related in any way. That's right. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. The Habsburgs. They wanted to consolidate power

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that they just said, you're marrying your sister,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you like it or not, and that the sun

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<v Speaker 1>would say, but jan And that's it for short stuff Everybody.

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