1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week, 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: which means it is time for strange news. We're seeing 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: a story that's kind of black mirror meets uh, bring 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: it on. I think yes, we're like keeping up with 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: the Kardashians or something. We're we're traveling to one of 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: one of the areas of the world that I don't 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: know about you but fascinates me the most big spoilers 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: and um, we've got a mesmerizing story from Texas. Uh 17 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: there where really right? So where should we begin? I 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Nol, I really liked the story you 19 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: brought because it touches on It touches on a trend 20 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: that we kind of predicted, but in a really messed 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: up way, don't you think, uh, in the most messed 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: up way. I mean, let's just start with like, you know, okay, 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: so the idea of deep fakes. We we've seen the 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: video of Tom Cruise like doing a magic check, but 25 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: it's not really Tom Cruise. Uh. I think we are 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: a lot of Tom Cruise related deep fake videos. I 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: think the first one that I saw that was like 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: the most mind boggling where I was like, oh God, 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: this is a thing that's gonna, you know, have legs. 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: Was it was like an appearance by Bill Hater on 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: a late show and his face as he as he 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: starts to do an impression of Tom Cruise and tell 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the story about meeting Tom Cruise, face starts to morph 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: into Tom Cruise as he's doing the voice, and it's 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: just uncanny. But but but not uncanny Valley. That's the point. 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it is a little bit, but it's like, 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, it definitely has the feel of being pretty authentic, 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: even if you can tell there's something a little off 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: about it. But now with all these filters like on 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Snapchat and Instagram, where you can you know, smooth out 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: all the wrinkles on your face or like make yourself 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: look like a magical pixie or soupin and that's more 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: like alternate reality. But it's starting to blur the line 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: between alternate reality and these deep fake videos. So there's 45 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: now like apps you know, used to be it had 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: it had to be you had to really know what 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: you're we're doing, requires immense processing power to do these 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: deep fake videos. Now you can literally get these like 49 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: face swap apps or you know one where you can 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: make your face appear on a character from a movie, um, 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: just by uploading the different components are picking from a 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: pool of you know, available clips or whatever. Um. And 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking from the start about how 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: does this affect trusting what you see in the news, 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: and the news already having been kind of maligned and 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: given this bad rap, but now it's like, is seeing 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: really believing? I mean, I think we all know that 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: that that can be a very dicey question, But it 59 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: seems like the first story that any of us have 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: have seen of this really kind of becoming oh god, 61 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: this is really could be a problem. Uh, it didn't 62 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: come from where we thought it would. Maybe I would 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: have thought it would have been maybe trying to smear 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: a politician or you know, a celebrity or some kind 65 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of blackmail, you know, creating these fake videos. But it 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: turns out it was from an absolutely unhinged uh what 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I believe is referred to as cheer mom. So a 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: mom like a dance mom. You know, it's kind of 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: a psycho helicopter stage parent for dancers, you know, cheer 70 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: moms or that very same thing for cheerleaders. Uh. And 71 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: this particular cheer mom in question, um is named Raphaela Spone. Uh, 72 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: great name from Doylestown, Pennsylvania, and uh, she's fifty years old, 73 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: should definitely know better. Surprised she got ahold of However, 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: however she did this unclear? Um, But like we said, 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: now it's been much more amplified. So what she did 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: was in order to smear or you know, have ejected 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: from the cheer squad her daughters to like rival cheerleaders. 78 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Cannot imagine what that would consist of, right, Like, maybe 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: they didn't get along, maybe I don't know, who knows, 80 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they were outshining her daughter in some way unclear, 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: but she uh using something some kind of deep fake 82 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: apple or technology, or maybe she hired someone to do. 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: It took these two young women and superimposed their faces 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: from social media videos onto other bodies that were smoking vapes, 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: vaping um. Some of them were nude uh, and some 86 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: of them were drinking so um. There's one video of 87 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: the vaping that you can see, and the reason you 88 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: can see it is because one of the young women 89 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: actually came forward, named Maddie him who was sixteen. This 90 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: happened about a year ago or a little less than 91 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: a year ago, and it's just now kind of coming 92 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: out and hitting the press. Um. But she was. She 93 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: appeared on Good Morning America uh and told the story 94 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: of literally seeing this video that was texted not only 95 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: to her and her parents, but to the coach directly. 96 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: Um also with veiled suggestions that she kill herself out 97 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: of shame, like to I don't know, to save face 98 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 1: or something. It's you know, like, Harry, carry yourself because 99 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: this you've you've brought shame on your family. But to 100 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: to hear this this young woman, Maddie, uh, Hi'm kind 101 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: of react to this on Good Good Morning America. She's 102 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: literally like, I'm seeing this video and I know it's 103 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: not me, but it is me, and I don't think 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: anyone's gonna believe me. She was genuinely concerned. Um and 105 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: and thankfully her mom did believe her and told her 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: she would call the police. UM. And they did call 107 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: the police. And they also texted the number back. Big 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: clue here, like texted the number back and got an 109 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: auto reply UM, indicating that it was some kind of 110 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: spoof spoofing system like a like a the telemarketers might 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: use to send auto texts for ads or whatever, or 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: to you know, mask a number so they can do 113 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: an auto call like a robot call. UM. The police 114 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: were able to trace it back to the IP address 115 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: of Raphaela Spoon, and she's in a lot of trouble. 116 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I believe she's been charged with something in the neighborhood 117 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: of like menacing, you know, youths, like corrupt. I don't know, 118 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think of what she's got Three 119 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: counts of cyber harassments child menacing youths, misdemeanor cyber harassment 120 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: of a child. Yeah, what are the misdemeanors? No child 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: pornography though, or a better way to say it would 122 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: be stop being charged with depictions of abusive children or 123 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, underage stuff like that, and that gets us 124 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: to a very weird area which is going to be 125 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: I think, increasingly disturbing and important as the months and 126 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: years continue, which is, if she is making things depicting 127 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: these children nude, then does she fall under various sex 128 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: offender laws, right? Or does she fall under those, you know, 129 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: the various laws that are specifically meant to combat that 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of um, that kind of imagery. I don't I 131 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: don't see her being charged with that right now. Uh 132 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: three counts of harassment, cyber harassment, menacing a child, two misdemeanors. Um. 133 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: But I think this is I think you're right. I'm sorry, 134 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: trying to step back. There are a couple of things 135 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: to address. I think you're I think you're right. This 136 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: is something that as the technology is democratized, is just 137 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: going to become more and more common. And I wonder, 138 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: like what becomes what becomes the mark of authenticity? Is 139 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: there like a water mark that people have or some 140 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: equivalent of that, a pixel? I don't know. Yeah, it 141 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: has to be like especially when it comes to like 142 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you you know, with this as well, but with things 143 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: like official news, you know, I mean so many, so 144 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: much footage is released, and whether it's like, let's say 145 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: it's a t M footage or it's like you know, 146 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: blurry in the first place, and so it's already kind 147 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: of compromised in a little dicey you introduced this angle 148 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: into it, and that kind of you know, low res 149 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: quality of the kind of footage that will get broken 150 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: as breaking news, you know, Um, it can be even 151 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: more misleading. So there absolutely has to be some sort 152 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: of chain of custody. Maybe we do it through the blockchain, 153 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: you guys, how about that? Uh, let's kill some more rainforests. 154 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, it's I'm only just now starting to realize 155 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: how dangerous blockchain technology is and how horrible for the 156 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: environment is every one of these little But there are 157 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: ways that it does verify ownership and authenticity and chain 158 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: of custody. Um. But there's got to be something like that, 159 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, where you can genuinely know the footage you're 160 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: seeing is authentic. Um, whether it's an origin you know, 161 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: watermark like you said, from when it was initially created, 162 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: that can't be. But I don't know how, I don't 163 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: know what that looks like. And surely there'd be a 164 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: way around that too. Um, but yeah, it's this woman, 165 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean just looks like a real piece of work 166 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: and her I mean not the mug shots are the 167 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: most flattering images anyway, but she is just like a 168 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: dead eyed, thin lipped, very severe looking woman. I don't mean, 169 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean I see darkness in her eyes. Let's just 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: put it that way. I I feel you like I'm 171 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: hesitant to um. I don't like the exploitative nature of 172 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: a lot of mugshot stories I would call them. But 173 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: from what I understand, the circumstances of events are pretty crazy. 174 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: Philly Inquirer has one person saying the parent of one 175 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: person saying that this harassment began because he and his 176 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: spouse told their daughter not to hang out with spawn's 177 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: daughter and that they were concerned about this kid's this 178 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: other kid's behavior. And then the mom kind of like 179 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: went straight from cold war to nuclear level harassment. I mean, 180 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: how did she how did she think this was gonna 181 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: play out? How? How would you legitimately think you would 182 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: not get caught doing something like this? You know what 183 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean? That was I think I've mentioned on the 184 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: show before YouTube channel that I really like called Internet Today, 185 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: and they do a segment each week called Weekly Weird News, 186 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and they did a segment on this, and um, I 187 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: love those guys. But they they made a joke that, well, 188 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: if she'd only used express VPN, you know, she uh 189 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: might have gone away with it, um, because you know, 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: they did ultimately trace it back to her IP address. 191 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: So I don't know, Ben, I mean, I think it's 192 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: likely she could have gotten away with it if they 193 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: hadn't have been able to trace back. But she tried 194 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: to cover her her tracks by using this phone spoofing 195 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: and it was a pretty elaborate to do. But her 196 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: lawyer does say she denies it unequivocally and that she's 197 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: been receiving death threats and is trying to paint her 198 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: as the victim, which is what lawyers do. So obviously, 199 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, obviously innocent until proven guilty, but um, it 200 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't bode well. The facts are a lot of 201 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: smoke here and feeling like there's probably some fire. Well 202 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: that this one I want to bring up. She she 203 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: absolutely is innocent until it's proven beyond the shadow of 204 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a doubt that she's guilty or she pleads guilty in 205 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: a court of law. Right, So I just want to 206 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: bring up the counterpoint, and I know it's uncomfortable, and 207 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I do. I don't know how 208 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: how to have this conversation without being told I'm victim 209 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: blaming maybe or something. But you tell me, guys, there's 210 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: the there is a possibility that some of the images 211 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: were real and the girls were very embarrassed that they 212 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: were being released. And again this is me painting a 213 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: uh you know, drawing a picture from nothing and not 214 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: knowing anything. Got it, just saying like if I if 215 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: I was putting myself in their position and some embarrassing 216 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: photos came out of me while I was in especially 217 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: in high school, in the time when your reputation means 218 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: so much, when your reputation level is one of the 219 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: things that keeps you in the thing you love, in 220 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: this case cheerleading or you know my case, band or 221 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: theater or whatever. But just I'm imagining if images like 222 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: that out, it could be really damaging to me, right 223 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: so well, specifically scenario, there could be a scenario where 224 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: one or more of those images were real, and you know, 225 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: somebody was putting them out, putting those images out and 226 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: for you know, for whatever reason, but it was coming 227 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: from that same IP address. So how did the detectives 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: then analyze it, because they're the ones who ultimately said 229 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: that these were deep fakes. Yeah, and I'm I I 230 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: suppose I don't know what the actual analysis was, what 231 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: it looks like, and what those conclusions like. We're how 232 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: how how tight those conclusions are. Maybe they're completely like, yes, 233 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: these are all deep fakes and they came from this 234 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: i P address or maybe the I think these are 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: all valid points. Um. And I think it's not like 236 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: drinking or you know, entering into sexual activity or vaping 237 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: is like some outlandish, you know, cancel worthy behavior from 238 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: like you know, uh, teenage girls. Like it's it's certainly 239 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: a real thing. I mean, vaping and drinking, underage drinking 240 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: and all that is is absolutely rife, uh in in 241 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: high schools. But you're right, it is a it is 242 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: a question of one's reputation. I mean the articles, the 243 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: reporting that I've seen on it is only in a 244 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: handful of places. Um, the Pennsylvania Uh, let's see, it's 245 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: actually the Daily Mail picked it up. Of course, it's 246 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: just as a sexy headline. Um. They picked up on 247 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: the story when when Mattie him went on television. Uh. 248 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: So then you have one from Fox News and one 249 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: from ABC. Uh, and then there's like, you know, the 250 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: original reporting came from uh Philadelphia. But yeah, it does 251 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: say that the investigators determined that the videos were deep 252 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: fakes using images from the girls social media accounts. Yeah. 253 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: So again, if you've got the original and then the 254 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: deep fake, and you're actually analyzing those two photos and 255 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: you can determine that, yes, this was reused. Right, It's 256 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: just for me. It feels like a Florida man thing, 257 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: right where you just get that early, that early statement 258 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: that this person is accused essentially of this thing. Um, 259 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: and those the laws are tremendously classist, like the legislation 260 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: is going to have to be changed advised extensively as 261 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: we enter this new era. I do want to shout 262 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: out a really clever thing that I learned about for 263 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: for differentiating, uh, between deep fakes and the real McCoy. 264 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: If people still say the real McCoy the genuine article, 265 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you're bringing it back 266 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: then thanks man. Well we'll see, we'll see. Uh. There's 267 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: a thing called fake Catcher, which is a tool that 268 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: has an accuracy rate of a little bit over telling 269 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: whether a video is fake or is the actual article 270 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: it purports to be. And they do this by measuring 271 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: a subtle difference in skin tone, which is caused by 272 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: get this, the human heartbeat. So every time your heart beats, 273 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: your skin changes color just a little bit. That's really freaky. 274 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: I think we just if someone's listening to this and 275 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: they're looking in the mirror, we might have just messed 276 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: with their day. Oh yeah, do you remember the tech 277 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: we talked about it before. I think it was tech 278 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: for baby monitors that was specifically using that, and it 279 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: was to they could alert if your child was in danger, 280 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: especially when at the very early months of you know, 281 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: bringing a new baby home. It was using a camera 282 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: I think infrared, maybe not infred, but to be able 283 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: to see just below the skin to see that pulse, 284 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: just to make sure you could always monitor that that 285 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: child is, you know, the heart was beating. And that 286 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: sounds weird and a little weird, but I can imagine 287 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: using that for the same reason. At a little more 288 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: info on the nudes the quote unquote nudes. Uh the 289 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: District Attorney um for Burke County, uh Wine Troube is 290 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: his last name and his yeah, Matthew Wine Troube. He 291 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: said that the nudes were quote somewhat imprecise uh in 292 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: the videos the victims. It was clearly originally videos or 293 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: images of the victims in bikinis that were then digitally 294 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: removed and overlaid with stick skin toned bars, which absolutely 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: would have triggered your apple. You're talking about their um 296 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: ben So yeah, he says, quote it would It would 297 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: seem the intent was to make it a peer nude 298 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: with no obvious genitalia. Described it as a Barbie doll 299 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: like effect, and and the intent was to slut shame 300 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: quote this is this is his words the victims. Um. 301 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: He said that the reason that she was not given 302 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: more serious charges was because it wasn't like kind of 303 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: was a botched job. Hence the non no child pornography 304 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: or you know, sexualization of of miners or what have you, 305 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: because it was just so blatantly bad and and obvious. Um, 306 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: so there you go. She dodged that bullet, then you 307 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But still say she could get 308 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: six months, but very unlikely. This, I mean, this is 309 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: just a terrible story for the kids involved, I think, 310 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: and it was I was trying to bring it on. 311 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: Is that cheerleading movie? Right? I think you to the 312 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: right one. I think there's a couple of sequels to 313 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's the one with what's her name from 314 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: her interview with the vampire. I always still think it 315 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: was a little yep yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, which 316 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean as a compliment totally. He's also great in 317 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the Fargo TV series. I believe season two typically Iceberg 318 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: for this stuff fellas you know, really uh and and 319 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: think of if a cheer mom could do this, um 320 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: using an app or whatever. I mean, think of what 321 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: people with really advanced technology could do, uh to to 322 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: to ruin people's reputations. But I guess it's good that 323 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: we're all kind of collectively aware of this stuff. Um 324 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: and And it started off so innocuous, as like a 325 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: cute little internet trick, but now you know, you're really 326 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: starting to see the true dark side of it, and 327 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: you know you can only go downhill from here. My 328 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: question is how often has it already happened? You know 329 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: what I mean? That's the next question. An article in 330 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: the Washington Post actually that profiled this very early on, 331 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: UM had a fascinating quote from a University of Virginia 332 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: law professor named Danielle citron Um, whose area of researches 333 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: and digital harassment, free speech, and privacy um and made 334 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: the you know, let's just say, the first place stuff 335 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: like this is probably gonna pop up is in porn, right, 336 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: so you get like fake celebrity porn. That was always 337 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: like a thing with like photoshop, always blatantly obvious, you know. 338 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: But this professor noted that the deep deep fake sex 339 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: videos are becoming a thing, um, whether it's to you know, 340 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: target individuals or to try to blackmail them, or you know, 341 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: potentially for like the purposes of you know, entertainment. Um. 342 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: And they're getting better and better is what is what 343 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: the comment is and and and there's a quote here, 344 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: um from this researcher saying, quote, it's like an arms race. 345 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: Pretty soon the dark hats are ahead of the white hats, 346 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: and we can't tell which is real. Um. So that's 347 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at. Uh And and also 348 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: notes the fact that it's gotten very user friendly, their 349 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: YouTube tutorials for how to do it, their phone based apps, 350 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: the barrier for entry for this kind of stuff is 351 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: lower than it's that a bet, and it's just gonna 352 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: keep getting lower. So yeah, I'm gonna keep an eye on, 353 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: but not necessarily trust your eyes when they're on it. 354 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: That's what we need is some sassy justice. Hopefully they'll 355 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: come around soon. Uh yeah, for sure. So let's take 356 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: a quick break, um and hear are worth from our sponsor, 357 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: and then come back with some more strange news. And 358 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: we are back, and we are jumping over to a 359 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: little combo of Newsweek and the BBC. We're going to 360 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: use the BBC's headline though here it is. You ready 361 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: for it? North Korea not responding to US contact efforts ghosted? 362 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: Did we get ghosted? The Newsweek headline is Kim Jong 363 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: un ghosts US as Joe Biden's North Korea shake up looms. 364 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: It's unfair for me to say that, because you know, 365 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm all over this man. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. 366 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: The headline alone is a little bit scary for those 367 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: of you new to the party. Here. Um, we've discussed 368 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: extensively North Korea's interest in nuclear technology, nuclear weapons. We've 369 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: discussed a lot of their practices in the past, some 370 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: of the horrific things that have gone in gone on 371 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: there from stories of people who have escaped, also just 372 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: the the fascinating political and socio economic situation of everyday 373 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: citizens there in the DPRK, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. 374 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: And in this case, we we had a changing of 375 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: the guard in the US right when when President Joe 376 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Biden stepped in, President Trump stepped out, and generally with 377 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: with any country, well again, like Ben, I kind of 378 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: just like I just want to talk with you about 379 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: I just want to hear you talk about it. But 380 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: I'll put it in my understanding. Generally you want to 381 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: have a touch base with your friends and your enemies 382 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: when you've got a changing of the guard like that. 383 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: And the current understanding is that the United States since 384 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: around February has been attempting to make direct direct contact 385 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: with Kim Jong un or the top levels of the 386 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: government there in the DPRK, and those emails essentially have 387 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: gone unanswered or the phone calls or whoever else they're 388 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: attempting to contact the government there. Um, we'll just read 389 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: a little bit from this article. Uh, they're saying that 390 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: Washington or you know, the folks there in Washington have 391 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: been attempting to reach Pyonyang in several different ways to 392 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: prevent tensions escalating. Because tensions are certainly up. There were 393 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: several attempts with the previous administration of the US to 394 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: lower those tensions, but it seems like those efforts were 395 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: not as successful as they could have been. Um. Yeah, 396 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: middling success. They're forgetting from from Ben's hand, um uh, 397 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: at least, according to the BBC, to fail. The talks 398 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: failed to persuade North Korea to give up the concept 399 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: or the attempt to build nuclear weaponry. Um. In this case, 400 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: it's to further refine the uranium and radioactive materials. Um. 401 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, And this one is a little 402 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: confusing for me because I'm reading I've read several articles 403 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: for this. BBC is saying that the DPRK has failed 404 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: to recognize Biden as the president or Biden's the new administration. Essentially, 405 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: is that your understanding, Ben, Yeah, yeah, they have. I mean, 406 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: you're as a foreign power, you're under no real obligation 407 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: to play nice. A lot of this stuff could be 408 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: best described as like polite rules of international siety. Just 409 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: like you said, Matt called the person congratulate them. You 410 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: know what, I mean, even if you'll particularly care for 411 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: them or care for what their country represents to you. 412 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: But we have to understand there is a ton of 413 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: precedent going into this ghosting of a president. First. First, yeah, 414 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: North Korea, the current and I'll say at the regime 415 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: uh is is they're big fans of the Trump administration 416 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: because the Trump administration was um granting some legitimacy that 417 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: the DPRK did not historically have in in the West. 418 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: And if you go back to just a few months ago, well, no, 419 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: if you go back to thank you forgetting also happened. 420 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: If you go back to you'll see that North Korean 421 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: official press had like called Joe Biden rabid dog, said 422 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: he was power hungry and that he should be beaten 423 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: to death. This is all on record, and that he would. 424 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: He was saying that Kim Jonggon is equal murderous dictator. 425 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: They're not friends as opposed to Trump, who is pretty 426 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: much complimentary. You know, he very much clearly had a 427 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: kindred attitude to to to to the dictator, um, you know, 428 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. But yeah, that that stuff. It's interesting though, Ben, 429 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: You're right, like it is. It is sort of like 430 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: formality it's not like it's the law. I mean it's alienating. Sure, 431 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: how much more alienated can we get from this regime? 432 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: But it's sure is an interesting escalation, right, Yeah, I mean, Matt, 433 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: to your point, like, it is kind of unconventional. I 434 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: would say for these countries not to be speaking to 435 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: one another. But it's unfortunately unconventional in that countries usually 436 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: do speak to one another through some kind of channel, right, 437 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: some kind of diplomacy, even if it's back door. But 438 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: the issue here is that if you look at it 439 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: through the North Korean perspective, I would say we have 440 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: to understand first, Uh, things are pretty rough, and that 441 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: probably from what we know, things are pretty rough on 442 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: the ground for the average North Korean and um, a 443 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff reported both by the country and 444 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: by its opponents is just it's straight up propaganda. There's 445 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: no way around it. The waters are very muddy. I 446 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: will stop ted talking after this, but this is the question, 447 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: and it's something that I don't think we're hearing a 448 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: lot when this is reported in the West. Let's say 449 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: that you, Matt Frederick, through a very bizarre set of 450 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: circumstances inherit the leadership of North Korea. There was some 451 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: stuff going on twenty three and me explained it, and 452 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: now boom, you are in charge of the Democratic People's 453 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Republic of North Korea. Like that old John John Goodman 454 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: movie Duke of Earl or something like that. Never mind, Uh, 455 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, just read the Wicked on But like, 456 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: all right, so you're in charge. You're in charge of 457 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: the Democratic People's Republic of Korean. You are getting a 458 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: ton of pressure from coalition's Western states telling you to 459 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: step away from this nuclear weapons program. That's the like, 460 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: that's the main thing the West tells you about every day. Yeah, 461 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: and you know they also are hanging out very close 462 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: in South Korea doing tons of drills with the U. 463 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: S Military and other powers that seem to be antagonistic 464 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: towards US and our goals. M h. Yeah. And then 465 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: you think, well, they're offering me some pretty cool carrots, right, 466 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: and the carrot and stick idea. They're offering me some 467 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: pretty cool carrots to say, yes, get rid of this 468 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: um this testing site that I have and get rid 469 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: of the I C B M S that I have built. 470 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: Uh but wait, you start thinking maybe no, uh, you're 471 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: you're in this you're like the number one advisor. You're 472 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: you're the smart guy, the smartest guy in the room here, 473 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: and you go, hang on, what happened to all those 474 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: other countries that peacefully stepped away from their nuclear programs? 475 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: Rock not doing super super hot? Who's saying Libya? Gaddafi 476 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: also didn't have a particularly happy ending. So the idea here, 477 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: if you're if you're mat now, and if you're nol 478 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: the advisors, the idea is that I is North Korea. No, 479 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: the US will have the number one goal of removing 480 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: my ability to have nuclear weapons, no matter what you 481 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: want to call They'll try to remove that ability. And 482 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: if I help them, if I agree, if I comply, 483 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: then history has shown me two very recent examples of 484 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: just how terrible the outcome will be. So what do 485 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: you say, Matt at that point? Now, now the new 486 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: president of the US has been elected. This guy dragged 487 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: you through the press for years. This is my responsible 488 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: While we do appreciate your comments, the United States is 489 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: most certainly our biggest enemy. Though I'm not opposed to 490 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: diplomatic maneuvers moving forward, there could be something we could 491 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: work out, though you would have to make the first 492 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: move United States, because you know we're here, we're North Korea, 493 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: and we're just we need you to show us that 494 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: you mean business and then maybe we can do something. 495 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: But in the interim, but you know, if you don't 496 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: do anything, here's what I need, uh, And this is 497 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do just until you make the first move. 498 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna build longer range, better missiles. We're gonna build 499 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: hypersonic missiles. We're gonna build some satellites for recon. We're 500 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: gonna do some solid fuel intercontinental ballistic missile work. Don't worry, 501 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: it's cool. We're gonna make some new nuclear warheads. Yeah. 502 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: We're also gonna build some tactical nukes and uh also 503 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: some U A V s, a brand new U A 504 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: V that can you know, do all kinds of fun 505 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: stuff for us. So that's what we're gonna be doing. 506 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: You decide what you you know, what action you actually 507 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: want to take in order to reduce the tensions here, 508 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: and then we can talk. Oh man, not quite sure 509 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: how to feel about this. It's scared. You should feel 510 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: scared a little bit, just enough, but especially if you're 511 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: in South Korea or you're you know, within a certain 512 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: radius of the DPRK they can hit Alaska and uh 513 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: maybe maybe California. The song fourteen which and probably mispronouncing, 514 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: but that's the ice. That's the latest. I cb m um. 515 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: I think they they just started coming out like seen 516 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: they were revealed. But yeah, of course you're gonna say that. 517 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: And then there's also you know, in this conversation. At 518 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: some point, although it hasn't been widely reported yet, boom 519 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: China has entered the chat because China very much wants 520 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: North Korea to remain as a buffer state right between 521 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: South Korea and to less than the possible influence of Japan, etcetera, etcetera. 522 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: So at some point the president of the US, whoever 523 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: that president might be, it's Biden currently calls China. They 524 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: have to and they're like, hey, why is your boy 525 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: on radio silence? And then China, you know, the government 526 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: of China, who knows how they handle that approach? They say, oh, 527 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: whatever you talking about? That's that's strange. Kim always answers 528 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: the phone for me, Can you think of anything you 529 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: might have done? Who knows? Who knows? Man, Well, listen, 530 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: listen to the rhetoric. So when when Joe Biden was 531 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail, he would often whenever asked a question, 532 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, about tensions in in North Koreo or about dictators. 533 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: There are all kinds of questions that were kind of 534 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: lobbed at him, and he would always respond, not always, 535 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: he would often respond by referring to Kim Jong un 536 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: as a thug and other you know, authoritarian people as thugs. 537 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: And this is a quote from Joe Biden. The days 538 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: of cozying up to dictators are over, clearly in response 539 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: of the previous administration and the views that that administration was, 540 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, had had a different relationship with leaders such 541 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: as Kim Jong un. And I believe, I believe North 542 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: Korea has referred to Joe Biden as a quote rabid dog. 543 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: I think that's correct. Yeah, them's fighting words, yes, and 544 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: they went on or someone I believe, I'm not sure 545 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: if it was Kim. I think it was maybe just 546 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: someone representing the DPRK uh one of the one of 547 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: them said that he should be beaten to death with 548 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: a stick. Washington Post reported that to it. Yeah yeah, 549 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: um yeah. And again like the DPRK has consistently referred 550 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: to the United States as their biggest rival, the biggest enemy, 551 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: the quote foremost principal enemy, and anything we could do 552 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: to lessen the tension there and like legitimately maybe in 553 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: some way actually get proper the things that the civilians 554 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: their need. I mean, we've will, we'll talk about it 555 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: as many times as we have to. But there are 556 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: people in genuine with genuine health concerns that are in need, 557 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: that live in the DPRK who are just humans, just 558 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: people like you and me, and you know, they're living. 559 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: They can't help that they're living in that regime because 560 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: we've learned that when one attempts to you know, abscond, 561 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: to get away, there are major issues, and we've reported 562 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: on some of those here and we've also been seeing 563 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: it for for decades. Yeah. Yeah, so the problem. The 564 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: problem is generational punishment, you know, meaning that if someone 565 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: does something that violates law in North Korea, UH, their 566 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: relatives can also be punished, may be sent to a 567 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: detainment camp or even um even executed. And when people 568 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: leave North Korea attempt to defect, when they go through China, 569 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: there is a huge likelihood or huge possibility of these 570 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: people being trafficked, being sold into marriage, being caught by 571 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: the Chinese authorities who do not consider them refugees but 572 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: consider them what are called illegal illegal economic migrants, and 573 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: they'll just be returned to their home country, where, of 574 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: course they have violated any number of laws by defecting UH. 575 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: These these are huge issues, and one thing that it 576 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: is crucial to remember is whenever you're hearing a story 577 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: about a government that's doing things the rest of the 578 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: world order disagrees with, the people who live in that 579 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: country often have very little, very little decision making ability, 580 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: right like North Korea is not checking with everybody who 581 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: lives in North Korea about what the next policies should be. Um. 582 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: There there's tremendous food insecurity. The International Sphere Order of 583 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: Nations still doesn't really know how hard COVID hit the 584 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: country that was already in a very tenuous existence. China 585 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: probably has a lot of information on this, but um 586 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: why release it? You know, it's it's terrible because it's 587 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: literally being used as a buffer UH international bargaining chip. 588 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: And this is this is a very old game. It's 589 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: a game countries have played for a long time. Man, Well, 590 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep our eyes and ears on it and 591 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you hear anything, please write to us, 592 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: call us whatever you gotta do. We'll tell you how 593 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: to do that at the end of this. But for now, 594 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick word from our sponsor and 595 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more strange news. And you 596 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: aren't gonna believe this one. And we have returned long 597 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: time listeners. You know that I struggle every week to 598 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: pick simply one story because once upon a time, and 599 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: the predecessor to this segment, I was doing three stories 600 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: every day. Uh no, it's kind of got an opposite problem. Um, 601 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're okay. Man. After that, that's a lot. 602 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: It's a lot of time strange thing. Um maybe okay, 603 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: who was the bother being? Okay, it's that's good. I 604 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: went past one story that I really enjoyed, which is 605 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: the world's first unmanned supersonic fighter. I looked into the 606 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: news about the anti Catheram mechanism. Right that news is 607 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: pretty much out there now and should be easy to 608 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: find that that the fastest unmanned thing is that the 609 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: story from Popular Mechanics about reusing the sr SE engines 610 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: in in like an unmanned vehicle. I found it on 611 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: India Times, but I imagine it would be reported in 612 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: Popular Mechanics. It's right up their alley. Uh, yeah, we're 613 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: entering the age of supersonic unmanned craft. Okay, my dog 614 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: must be eating something she shouldn't be. But yes, that's awesome. 615 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: So I don't want to make that that sound too 616 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: interesting because I don't want to shoot us in the 617 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: audio foot here. Uh, it's a great it's a great story. 618 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: He's fascinating. It's a little disturbing. You should read about it, 619 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: but instead instead of supersonic unmanned jets. It is time 620 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: to make the official announcement, folks. Texas Rangers have said 621 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: that they will stop trying to hypnotize people. In other news, 622 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: Texas Rangers have apparently been hypnotizing a ton of people 623 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: for more than four decades, like with their like charming 624 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: southern drawl or how are they going about this? No, 625 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: they've got Chuck Norris. He's rolling around and he just 626 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: kind of puts his shades down really slowly. Ye, or 627 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: if Chuck isn't around, they used the quite prestigious Texas 628 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: Ranger badges and they're just like look into the rotation 629 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: of the badge get getting very sleeping for sleeping who 630 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: killed JFK. But no, I know it sounds like a 631 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: crazy story, you guys, but it is true. I did 632 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: not um. I was not aware that hypnosis was being 633 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: used this this frequently by the Rangers, specifically uh and 634 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: in an odd bit of synchronicity, I believe somebody has 635 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: also posted this on Here's Where It Gets Crazy, which 636 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: is rated arbitrarily by US as the absolute best page 637 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: on all of Facebook. Here's what happened. So since at 638 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,959 Speaker 1: least the start of the nine eighties, maybe a little 639 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: before then, the Texas Department of Public Safety, which oversees 640 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: the Highway Patrol and the Rangers, has has been using 641 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: hypnosis techniques two get statements from victims and eyewitnesses. They've 642 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: used this technique, according to the Dallas Morning News, at 643 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: least eighteen hundred times over the last forty years. And this, 644 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: this kind of hypnosis is not the we've talked about 645 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: this in the past. It's not the stereotypical ha ha 646 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: buck like a chicken, squawk like a chicken or whatever, 647 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: or you know, you'll hear this magic word and then 648 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: you'll moon people or anything like that. This is meant 649 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: to give to help people mentally regress through memories so 650 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: that they can uh have more clarity of what they 651 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: saw witnessed experience. So like, if this stuff works, then 652 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: the idea would be, let's say someone has witnessed the carjack, right, 653 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: and they say, okay, we're going to put you under 654 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: and we're going to you is these hypnotic techniques to 655 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: help you fully remember what you saw. So now you're 656 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: just not saying it was a dude in a red shirt. 657 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: You're able to say it was a dude in a 658 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: red polo who was wearing blue jeans, he had a 659 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: Laker's hat on or something like that. Regression hypnosis or 660 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: whatever it's this is. This is blowing my mind. Ben. 661 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: I didn't think I didn't think anyone. I didn't think 662 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: any law enforcement agency would be using this generally. It's 663 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, controversial even in therapy let alone for like 664 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: eyeball witness accounts, right, because it's it's uh notoriously um unreliable. 665 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: So there is some there is some solid science to hypnosis, 666 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: but there's a really dangerous thing with this kind of 667 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: with this kind of approach. And then and it's this 668 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: if you are listening and or human being, than every 669 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: time you remember something, you are not remembering that actual 670 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: event every time after the first time you remember it. Instead, 671 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: you are remembering the last time you remembered thinking about 672 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: this thing. And your memory will be affected by smells, sites, sounds, sensations, 673 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: even temperatures, all the stuff in your environment that that 674 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: you're encountering in real time while you're remembering something in 675 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: the past. So it is very easy for new memories 676 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: to be created, and you, as the person experiencing these memories, 677 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: will not be able to differentiate between those memories and 678 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: the real ones. Like in in a way, this is 679 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: a helpful circle? Is this? In a way, this is 680 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: like a predecessor to the deep fake of the digital age. 681 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: And you don't need technology to do it. You just 682 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: need a calm voice and a relaxed environment and then 683 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: someone who will go with you for the ride. Uh. 684 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: And and this is not saying the rangers are doing 685 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: this at all. They're not like purposely trying to implant 686 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: ideas or distort recollections. But it's very very easy to 687 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: accidentally do that, and that's where it gets dangerous. Also, Uh, 688 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: it's controversial but Matt, you raised a good question, which, 689 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: as he said, you know, I don't always pick I 690 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: don't picture law enforcement doing this kind of stuff. But 691 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: we know that law enforcement has been taken in by 692 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: very unorthodox ideas or claims in the past, like so 693 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: called psychic detectives, right, which we should do an episode 694 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 1: on image. It's weird that we haven't. Actually, yeah, several 695 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: I remember we when we well, we made the show 696 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: about the Atlanta missing and murdered. We were so surprised 697 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: to see actual news reports of Atlanta, Atlanta p D 698 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: and a couple other police departments using to psychic detectives 699 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: or psychics to help them people remote remote viewing type 700 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: things like to define bodies or all that essentially remains. 701 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: Like I have a strong image of a bridge, there's 702 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: running water, there's a side. I see a side. It 703 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: starts with the Wayne Williams, that's the guy. Unfortunately, that's 704 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: how it works because there's a lot of cold reading 705 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: involved there. But law enforcement has we can emphasize this enough. 706 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: In theory. The way it's supposed to work is that 707 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement has to evaluate, evaluate all citizen like reports, 708 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: so it's often not them necessarily going out and finding 709 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: a psychic or someone who claims to be a psychic. Instead, 710 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: it's somebody proactively calling them and saying I know what happened, 711 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: because um, I have information about this, and then they 712 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: have to say, okay, we'll tell us, because otherwise you're 713 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: not really doing your job, are you. I don't know. 714 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: I didn't know this before, but at least twenty one 715 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: states have banned evidence in court if it's gleaned entirely 716 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: through hypnosis. They're no longer going to let you play, uh, 717 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: he said, She said, with your past self. Basically, well, 718 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: it makes complete sense. Do we have any understanding of 719 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: the people who were actually administering this. Were they bringing 720 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: people in to run hypnosis set uh sessions or were 721 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: they I don't know, were the the actual officers doing 722 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: this or somebody in the rangers. I don't know how 723 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: how did it work? Yeah, So there was a program 724 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: that was there's this program that was based on the 725 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: work of an l a. P d. Psychologist named Martin 726 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: riser In. He wrote a book called The Handbook of 727 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: Investigative Hypnosis, and this is one of the that's one 728 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: of the bedrocks of that program in Texas and officers 729 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: would be using these techniques, so they would be trained 730 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,359 Speaker 1: at least in this regard. Um they have. Yeah, I 731 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: think not quite nine hundred police have been certified by 732 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 1: the State of Texas in this investigative hypnosis. Um in 733 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: this Yeah, it is. It is a lot. But to 734 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: be fair, we also don't know how many of those 735 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: eight hundred seventy four people are still performing this stuff 736 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: or how many of them just took the course and 737 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: then said, Okay, well I had that box checked off 738 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: and now I don't have to ever worry about this again. UM. 739 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: I mean, is this something that that pops up in 740 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: other law enforcement agencies? I mean I always kind of, 741 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, probably because of Walker, Texas Ranger assigned a 742 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: bit of a mystical vibe to like the Texas Rangers. 743 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: H But now they're starting to feel a little more 744 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: like a Jedi than like a detective, you know what 745 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, it's still I mean, it's still been 746 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: used by some police agencies or law enforcement outfits, I 747 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,319 Speaker 1: should say, as well as some intelligence agencies. But it's like, 748 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 1: you know, I think the thing that startles a lot 749 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: of people if they've just seen why detectors on television 750 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. Is that polygraphs are also kind of trash science. 751 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: It's weird that they're still being used, at least in 752 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: the way that they are um and with this idea 753 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: of hypnosis. Yeah, it's been around, like people have been 754 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: using or attempting to use these techniques with what they 755 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: would argue are some credible results since at least the 756 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: Second World War. So this is this stuff is around. 757 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: But there's another issue here. And again, this is not 758 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,759 Speaker 1: accusing witnesses of lying. This is not accusing the individuals 759 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: and law enforcement of purposely stitching someone up for a 760 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: crime they didn't commit. But we know that multiple, multiple 761 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: cases that result in convictions are based on what later 762 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: turns out to be a witness somehow misidentifying a perpetrator. 763 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: And these people who are wrongfully convicted made languish in 764 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,879 Speaker 1: jail for years before say a DNA test comes out, 765 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,800 Speaker 1: or before they are able to get access to legal 766 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: assistance that can address the problems in their case. Also, 767 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but I'm a little 768 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: torn reporting on this because I think that got the 769 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: idea of like a hypnosis ranger is just so cool. 770 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: It is so amazingly cool. Hypno Ranger Walker, Hypno Ranger. 771 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: It's more like Cane from Kung Fu or something, you know. 772 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: And again it's just got this real kind of mystic 773 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: vibe to it. But but I guess the way they 774 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: used it though, it's almost more like an interrogation technique 775 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: that then then when you know, look into my eyes 776 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: kind of situation. Right, Well yeah, okay, so but it's 777 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 1: it's four witnesses, right, it's for people who saw a crime. 778 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: It's for people who were victims of a crime who 779 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: were a part of it, trying to recall stuff about 780 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: a suspect, right, or a person of interest. I thought, 781 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: exactly what kind of what you just referred to their 782 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 1: NOL when you first read this been I thought it 783 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 1: was rangers going out there getting a person of interest 784 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: into custody and then like hypnotizing them and then like 785 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: trying to get them to tell us that tell them 786 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: the truth. I was so excited about that. That's the 787 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: one I want to see. Yeah, yeah, instead of a gun, 788 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,399 Speaker 1: they just like use their mind powers and hold out 789 00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: their hands. That's the mind control noise. Yeah, that would 790 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: be awesome. But the the issue there is that it 791 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: is um. It is actually quite difficult and somewhat unpredictable 792 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 1: to use hypnosis in that kind of non consensual way. 793 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: There are ways around it, and you can exploit certain 794 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: cognitive susceptibilities in certain individuals, but there's not really there's 795 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: not really a silver bullet for that, even for the 796 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: people who are very, very good at it. Um. But 797 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: I totally agree, man, if they're could, like, if you 798 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: could hypnotize criminals, that's a great TV show. But it 799 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 1: also means that if you're an officer who hypnotize a criminals, 800 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: every case you land is automatically suspect. Did they really 801 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,879 Speaker 1: confess or did you know, did like Walker Texas Mesmerizer 802 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: just knocked him over? You know, right, it could certainly 803 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: be considered coercion or you know, just suspect, right, suspects testimony. 804 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: M Yeah, But if Walker hypno Ranger, if his techniques 805 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: get us, you know, to the murder weapon, then we're 806 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 1: okay as long as it's a physical piece of evidence 807 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,439 Speaker 1: that gets us there, right, Yeah. It just in those 808 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: twenty one states. It can't just be hypnosis. If conversation 809 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: under hypnosis leads to DNA evidence leads to like you 810 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: said a physical gun or you know, they find the 811 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: car that got stolen, etcetera. Then it's it's a different conversation. 812 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: So that's that's the huge controversy. But it might be 813 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: interested to note, uh that law enforcement, just in general, 814 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: US law enforcement has cited a number of cases where 815 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: they say hypnosis yielded positive, actionable results. The most famous 816 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: infamous was the kidnapping of a school bus that like 817 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:03,280 Speaker 1: twenty six kids and a driver a board in Chowchilla, California. 818 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? One heard a story of 819 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: it when we were making Zodiac, But I was it 820 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: buried or was it like? Um, I'm just something is 821 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: firing my brain. But I would need to go into 822 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: hypnosis to tell you exactly how I remember. You're getting versely, Uh, 823 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: you're you're right. The story goes that a hypnosis expert 824 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: spoke with witness help them do this regression exploration, and 825 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: while they were under this hypnotic questioning, they were able 826 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: to recall the full license number of a van that 827 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: the kidnappers drove. It's interesting, I mean, you can do 828 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: a million like you don't necessarily have to hypnotize people. 829 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: You can you can help your friends remember things um 830 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: much more clearly or in a much more distorted manner 831 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: than they would alone. I'm telling you, just like so many, 832 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: so many very small things. If you're holding a hot drink, 833 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna have more of a fond recollection when you 834 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: think of stuff in the past. It's nuts. It's so 835 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: easy to hack um, which means that we have to 836 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,439 Speaker 1: ask ourselves, can we trust the science how much of 837 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: the how much of the curriculum of these sorts of 838 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: these sorts of programs, how much of that curriculum focuses 839 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: on how to make sure you're not accidentally creating the 840 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,400 Speaker 1: memory you're attempting to discover, or you're not leading the witness. 841 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: And it could be so easy. It could be Um, 842 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: Darren Brown does this a lot. It could be a 843 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:45,240 Speaker 1: quick slip of your speech. So instead you're saying like um, 844 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: saying like, okay, you're getting very sleepy. What was the 845 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: name Pete of the person you spoke to at the 846 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: dairy queen? And they're not going to hear that Pete. 847 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: But later as there you know, as they're increasingly compromised, 848 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: then of course they're not just going to remember the 849 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: name Pete. They're gonna see in their head the name 850 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,800 Speaker 1: tag that says Pete, and then boom, this poor schmuck 851 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,240 Speaker 1: at the dairy queen is going up the river. It's terrible. 852 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: It's possible. I I started feeling really sleepy for some reason. Ben. 853 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,919 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, oh Pete, but yeah, 854 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,320 Speaker 1: that's I wanted to bring that to your attention, folks. 855 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: Of course, that dairy queen example is hopefully just a 856 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: hypothetical example and hasn't occurred in real life, but the 857 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: danger there is very real, and we need to be 858 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,200 Speaker 1: aware of this stuff. So I applaud um. I applaud 859 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 1: the decision to stop trying to hypnotize witnesses and victims 860 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: of crime, and I applaud their attempts to turn it 861 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,920 Speaker 1: around and make it uh perpetrator facing rather than victims 862 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 1: and witnesses. We're all applauding. We're all no, what are 863 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: you applauding? We're all applauding right now at the end 864 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 1: of the show. Do you know I I really just 865 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: kind of snapped out of this weird stupor that I 866 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: was in this FuG state. I don't know what caused it, 867 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like I lost time there. Um, I'll 868 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: snap you out within with an A V Club headline 869 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: of a story. We're not going to talk about you, ready, please? 870 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: Scientists planned to shoot massive load of sperm samples onto 871 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: the moon. Wow, they had to choose that. They really 872 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: chose those words carefully, didn't there. That's almost British. Yeah, 873 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: massive massive load. They could have just said massive load. 874 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,400 Speaker 1: They could have left. Yeah. Well, uh, that that is 875 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: that is true. There is something very much like a 876 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,320 Speaker 1: doomsday vault being proposed for construction on the lunar surface. 877 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,479 Speaker 1: And there is an editor who absolutely had their day 878 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: made with that headline. This is strange. Uh, I do 879 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,640 Speaker 1: want end a one note for the rangers here. Officer 880 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: named James de Brow is quoted as a person who 881 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,879 Speaker 1: has performed this kind of investigative hypnosis and trained other 882 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,480 Speaker 1: officers in it, and de Brow defends the practice. He says, 883 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, he seems very well aware of the danger 884 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: of creating a memory when you seek to retrieve one, 885 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: and he explicitly says, we're trained not to be suggestive. 886 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 1: We're not here to give information in a hypnosis session. 887 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: We're here to retrieve it. But with that, folks, would 888 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: love to hear what you think about hypnosis and deep 889 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: faking memories. Please let us know, let us know what 890 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: you think the future of deep faking in the digital ages. 891 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: How can we write a law about it? And if 892 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: you happen, and we have to say this every so often, 893 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: if you happen to be a member of the elite 894 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 1: in the DPRK, you can can you email us? I 895 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: mean email us if you can. We're not clear on 896 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 1: how that would work out for you. But also if 897 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: you have experience firsthand in the country, we want to 898 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: hear your story. The world is wondering what on earth 899 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,200 Speaker 1: is happening in the Hermit Kingdom. We try to be 900 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: pretty easy to find online. That's right. 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And if you 921 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: want to talk directly to us, or you know, say 922 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: a personal message to us, leave it at the end 923 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: of the message. Please, you've got three minutes. If you 924 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,880 Speaker 1: want to go over that time, you can always send 925 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 1: us a good old fashioned email. Hey. By the way, 926 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys. I'm gonna I'm gonna 927 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 1: be watching this Zack Snyder cut of Justice League. I 928 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,920 Speaker 1: heard it's good. I got it. I got a solid 929 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 1: se on rotten tomatoes. But I love how the Snyder 930 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 1: cut has become kind of Internet shorthand for just like 931 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: the as it was intended, Like does the Pruder film 932 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: the Snyder cut, you know, the unabridged, the directors cut. 933 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,360 Speaker 1: There you go, the Criterion. It's the only way to 934 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: watch Blade Runner. I think, yeah, I'm gonna I'm definitely 935 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: gonna watch. I'm I'm a sucker for superhero films. Even 936 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: though that we got a lot of great feedback from 937 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: our listeners on the Military Entertainment Complex episode who were 938 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 1: pointing out, you know, you could argue that a lot 939 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: of superhero films in some ways function as military propaganda. 940 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: And then for everybody who was asking why we didn't 941 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: talk more about sports of that episode, stay tuned smart, 942 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: All right, well, hey, I think this is it. We're 943 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: gonna give you the email now. Uh the last thing. 944 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Huge shout out to the whole cast and crew of 945 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: people that made The Umbrella Academy. I freaking loved it. 946 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 1: I haven't watched show that I loved that much in 947 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: a long time. Good work. Congratulations, it's so good. I 948 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: haven't finished season two, but season one was was a banger, 949 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: And I think it's so cool of that dude for 950 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 1: my chemical romance, like if comics were his first love 951 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: before he was even, like, you know, a massive emo 952 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 1: rock star. And now he's returned to said first love 953 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: and he's quite good at it, quite a good writer, 954 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Gerard Way. All I know is I loved it. If 955 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: you loved something too, and you want to tell us 956 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: about it, Hey, do all the things we already said 957 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: tact us. We'd love to hear from you. Our email 958 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: addresses conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. Stuff they 959 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Don't want you to Know is a production of I 960 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit 961 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 962 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows,