Speaker 1: On today's episode of News, we're talking X Men, We're
Speaker 1: talking holl Age, We're talking Black Panther, We're talking about
Speaker 1: Sean Lovey, question Mark, It's Duds.
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Speaker 2: Night and.
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Speaker 2: We made it another week. Well done, guys. In today's
Speaker 2: previously on episode, we are catching up on the biggest.
Speaker 3: Deep news off the week, including.
Speaker 2: We weren't able to record it on our last news
Speaker 2: episode because we were got to record the day before.
Speaker 3: The panel happened.
Speaker 2: But we are talking about those new Marvel costings, Black Panther, ghostwriter,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 3: What does it mean for the MCU? Was that enough
Speaker 3: to save the MCU?
Speaker 2: Plus we also gotta we gotta let you know, guys,
Speaker 2: it might be a record breaking week for Spider Man.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out. We know a lot of you
Speaker 2: have been going to see it could even break Endgames
Speaker 2: record if it really overperforms. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: going to get that far, but I do think it's
Speaker 2: probably going to beat the last Spider Man movie, No
Speaker 2: Way Home and.
Speaker 3: A low production note, next week's schedule will be a
Speaker 3: little different.
Speaker 2: Monday we will have our instant reactions to Sunday's House
Speaker 2: of the Dragon episode. Wednesday will be our deep dive
Speaker 2: into Spider Man brand New Day with a roundtable reaction
Speaker 2: for spoilers, and then on Thursday, we will cover the
Speaker 2: penultimate episode of X Men ninety seven season two.
Speaker 1: News Rosies. Marvel made its triumphit return to San Diego
Speaker 1: Comic Con Hall h They did Where the Where The
Speaker 1: Where the Champions Live. It was their first Hall Ah
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty four, so it's not like they were
Speaker 1: away for a significant period of time.
Speaker 2: But still eva like that was more of a little
Speaker 2: Wolverine deppool moment. This is more of the classic big It's.
Speaker 1: Notable in the sense that it certainly seemed when Marvel
Speaker 1: and Disney launched E twenty three that that was going
Speaker 1: to be the place where all of their significant announcements
Speaker 1: were going to be launched. So it's clear that Marvel
Speaker 1: is looking to launch things with the widest possible footprint,
Speaker 1: and boy did they They returned to Hall H. The
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter called it Marvel's most crowded comic con panel. Ever,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that that could possibly be true me neither.
Speaker 2: It definitely not because the whole h. I the kind
Speaker 2: of on the ground when I was talking to people
Speaker 2: in the lines and whole h, they were not as
Speaker 2: busy as usual. There is a conversation though, that has
Speaker 2: been being pushed by the organizers of San Diego and
Speaker 2: I'm sure Petco Park that hallll H was so busy
Speaker 2: this year that they might have to move it to
Speaker 2: Petco where it's going to be thirty thousand people, And
Speaker 2: obviously you would never be able to stop a leak.
Speaker 2: Every trailer would get like recorded, there's drones. It makes
Speaker 2: no sense. So I think that's part of the push.
Speaker 2: But it was. It was hugely popular. This was the
Speaker 2: panel Marvel could not give us press. They told us
Speaker 2: they had a lower allotment.
Speaker 3: We know why that was now.
Speaker 2: It's because there was about fifty cast members in there
Speaker 2: that they needed to give the usual press a lotment to. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was an interesting one. It was definitely very busy.
Speaker 2: Did it do enough? Jason?
Speaker 3: When you were reading. Did you feel like you were
Speaker 3: getting those big hitting moments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did enough. Obviously, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of Hollywood pizazz involved. Apparently they handed
Speaker 1: out thousands, potentially seven thousand masks and capes to the
Speaker 1: attends at Hall h They started the presentation with a
Speaker 1: sizzle reel that included Toby maguire, Spider Man, Patrick Sewart's
Speaker 1: professor X so clear that they're setting up for big things,
Speaker 1: and then this tied directly into the new footage which
Speaker 1: has since leaked of. Was it a Doomsday trailer or
Speaker 1: was it like a sizzle reel of stuff from Doomsday?
Speaker 1: It was unclear. I think that's the question, kind of
Speaker 1: like an extended trailer of Doomsday stuff.
Speaker 2: I think they were trying to kind of get people
Speaker 2: excited for the Avengers Endgame Encore, which they're releasing September
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, which is this re release of the film,
Speaker 2: and they're claiming it's going to have seven minutes of
Speaker 2: new footage that ties directly into Doomsday and you have
Speaker 2: to see it, and the Russo Brothers said, you gotta
Speaker 2: watch it or you're not gonna know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I think that is very silly. I don't believe it, yes,
Speaker 2: but yes, I believe this is a reel. Was kind
Speaker 2: of trying to get people like, hey, you need to
Speaker 2: see well back in that era.
Speaker 3: Look, I got to tell you guys, go on IGN.
Speaker 2: There is an article that I wrote where I was
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania and I had to drive out to a
Speaker 2: random AMC at like nine am to watch the last
Speaker 2: end game re release they did that allegedly was going
Speaker 2: to have this new footage, and it was kind of
Speaker 2: this like dedication to stan Lee. It was more of
Speaker 2: a fan thing, but I mean there was a time
Speaker 2: when things like this were newsworthy. I had to write
Speaker 2: that up put that on the website so we could
Speaker 2: get it up straight away. Like so there will be
Speaker 2: reporting on this. You will be able to find out
Speaker 2: what the seven minutes are. And if you go and
Speaker 2: see that, it will be the first film screen in
Speaker 2: Infinity Vision, So we'll be able to get to get
Speaker 2: an idea of what that is. But that was really
Speaker 2: just the tease for the big news, right. Jason so Feigi.
Speaker 1: Said that this return of Avengers in Game Encore to
Speaker 1: the theaters is about quote reminding us all what it
Speaker 1: was like to be in a theater cheering along, which
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit. We've been to the
Speaker 1: movie since.
Speaker 2: Babe, it's not kevi he that was like it's been
Speaker 2: like don bust ted years We've been seeing in all movies.
Speaker 2: It said.
Speaker 1: You know who loves this is the exhibitors, the the
Speaker 1: theatre partners. Cinemak CEO Sean Gamble said, quote, we commend
Speaker 1: Disney for taking an important first step in regal cine world.
Speaker 1: CEO Eduardo Acunya said, It's been a long time coming,
Speaker 1: and we love that Disney is taking the lead. They
Speaker 1: would love this, I think. And from there we started
Speaker 1: announcing some very interesting product projects, starting to create twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight ghost Rider starring Ryan Gosling, with Sean Levy directed.
Speaker 1: Now I'll say this, Sean Levy, I guess when you
Speaker 1: make a billion dollar movie in Deadpool and Wolverine like nothing,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you expect?
Speaker 2: They're not going to tell you?
Speaker 1: You know, I just not. I'm weary of Sean. That's
Speaker 1: all I will say.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that. Look, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 2: This is my generous take, which is I love Rang Gosling.
Speaker 2: I do think he's a star. I think he's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: I think that together, like you know, like Sean Levy
Speaker 2: has done fun stuff, right. But I think the problem
Speaker 2: with Ghostwrider that we've had is, like the Nick Cage
Speaker 2: ones were really silly and fun, and whether we like
Speaker 2: them as camp classics, it's not necessarily a great representation
Speaker 2: of the character. I fear that Sean Levy does not
Speaker 2: have the tone or does not lean into the tone
Speaker 2: that I would like to see, especially if you're casting
Speaker 2: a Gosling who's done Drive, who's done Place between the Pines.
Speaker 2: This is actually quite an interesting bit of meta casting.
Speaker 2: But will Sean Levy lean into that? Is it just
Speaker 2: gonna be comedy? Is it gonna be Johnny Blaze? Would
Speaker 2: it be Danny ket I know, I feel like I
Speaker 2: thought it could be catch because like he's blonde, it's different.
Speaker 2: But I think they'll go classic, especially because it's Levy,
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna lean very heavily into nostalgia and kind
Speaker 2: of I would say Ryan Gosling's like star Power, kind
Speaker 2: of inspired by you know, Evil Canievil sort of vibe,
Speaker 2: but it's not it's not giving me a lot of
Speaker 2: love but Aaron did just point out that Sean Levy
Speaker 2: was actually a producer on the back Rooms. So maybe
Speaker 2: he's getting more into weird shit. Maybe he's getting more
Speaker 2: into weird ship.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope that ghostwriter has some sort of story.
Speaker 1: Unlike the back Rooms.
Speaker 3: It was read by an it year old Jason, give
Speaker 3: him a break.
Speaker 2: Give air. By break, I mean, they put.
Speaker 1: It on the big screen, and what are gonna do, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no story, very you know, wonderful. The vibes were eerie,
Speaker 1: and it was a wonderful vibe movie.
Speaker 2: It was very vibe, but we don't.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, that wow incredible. Sean so Gossling apparently approached Marvel.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a Ryan Gosling has been after for
Speaker 2: a long time. It's kind of like Keanu Reeves and Wolverine.
Speaker 2: It's an onga and combo. He loves this character. He
Speaker 2: wants to do it.
Speaker 1: So that is very interesting. Let's just quickly truk Sean
Speaker 1: Levy movies. Okay, let's start with Big Fat Liar two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, starring Frankie Munez and Paul Giomonni. Does
Speaker 1: anybody remember that that's not whatever, not a great movie,
Speaker 1: Just Married is a Ashton Kutcher and Britney Murphy or
Speaker 1: I P Vehicle a young newly woid couple who takes uh,
Speaker 1: who takes her honeymoon in Europe? Cheaper bind the Dozen.
Speaker 1: This one was pretty good. This is of course a remake.
Speaker 2: Make classic, but as you can see, these are very
Speaker 2: like comedy family movies.
Speaker 1: The Pink Panther.
Speaker 2: It was not a hit.
Speaker 1: Now it's another remake starring Steve Martin. Night at the Museum.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty good movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a Knight of the Museum fan.
Speaker 1: Should just film Ben Stiller Night at the Museum two.
Speaker 1: Battle of the Smithsonian. I like this one less m
Speaker 1: m but the your the gang returns Ben Stiller, at Amy,
Speaker 1: Adam Zoe and Wilson, Hankazaria and Hydrinks still in the
Speaker 1: multi dimensional Museum. Date Night, Uh. This starred Steve Carell
Speaker 1: and Tina fay On. Like the worst date ever. Also
Speaker 1: Taraji p Henson. I didn't love this one. Real steel
Speaker 1: fucking terrible, Oh awful?
Speaker 2: Should have been great? Was This is what I mean? Though?
Speaker 2: Can I just say something, Yell, we've been bragging a
Speaker 2: lot on Anna Nagera, the writer of the Supergar movie,
Speaker 2: which was not great, and she worked at the Flash.
Speaker 2: This is the problem with Hollywood. You can make a
Speaker 2: lot of mid movies if you're just a random white
Speaker 2: guy like you can make a lot of movies just
Speaker 2: like oh my God. But if you're a woman and
Speaker 2: you make a bad movie, they put in you a
Speaker 2: movie jail.
Speaker 1: This is a conversation about the quality of the movie
Speaker 1: in our opinion, not the box office. I'm convinced these movies,
Speaker 1: particularly The Night of the Museum movies made a lot
Speaker 1: of money. I don't know, but I thought that movie sucked.
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson. I did not see that one.
Speaker 2: Google.
Speaker 3: It's not great that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where I leave you. Jason Bateman, Tina Fey,
Speaker 1: Adam Driver, Rose Burn. This was kind of like an
Speaker 1: attempt at an adult dramedy vibe. Yeah. Night at the Museum,
Speaker 1: Secret of tomb I also didn't love this one, but whatever,
Speaker 1: free guy. I thought this one was fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I started the cinema. It's like, it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: the cinema able, you know, yes, Uh.
Speaker 1: The Adam Project.
Speaker 3: It wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: That's want him to bring was not for me Deadpool
Speaker 1: and Wolverine a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: That's why I got this movie, baby, and then.
Speaker 1: Of course Star Wars Starfighter to come and now to come.
Speaker 3: Now I will say the fact. I will say, if
Speaker 3: we're trying to be a.
Speaker 2: Little bit hopeful, I do think. I think the fact
Speaker 2: that Disney is making Starfighter with Levy and Gosling and
Speaker 2: that chemistry is so good and they're enjoying well they're
Speaker 2: doing that, that they trust them together is interesting. But
Speaker 2: also do we trust their taste fully at this time?
Speaker 2: Like do they know what the audience want? We also
Speaker 2: don't know that. But I mean, Gosling's a charm bomb
Speaker 2: and they need something like that at the MCU. Now
Speaker 2: they need someone they can pull out who's going to
Speaker 2: charm people say me, me shit, like here's just in
Speaker 2: a cute costume, Like he'll do all of that.
Speaker 1: Here's a take. I don't trust a handsome director. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Sean Levy is handsome, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like he looks like he looks like he should be
Speaker 1: like hosting The Price is Right or something. Look, I
Speaker 1: do one of those new fangled like uh game shows
Speaker 1: where like it's a comedytion. The voice, Yeah, the voice
Speaker 1: and like a password sham this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 3: I like my director to.
Speaker 2: Be a grubby little goblin come on. But the more
Speaker 2: exciting because look, I'm going to be real. I do
Speaker 2: think the Gosling thing is cool. But I will say
Speaker 2: I do think both of the big casting reveals were
Speaker 2: rumored for so long that I don't think it is
Speaker 2: really the big thing we were expecting, which was X Men,
Speaker 2: though I do think now that is a timing issue
Speaker 2: and we'll probably see that. More on that coming. But
Speaker 2: the big, big reveal that I think did deliver because
Speaker 2: it is just great casting, even if it was a
Speaker 2: rumored casting, was that Black Panther three news Jason.
Speaker 1: Black Panther three slated for December fifteenth, twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: no title yet announced, but the new Black Panther was
Speaker 1: revealed and it is David Johnson of Industry Alien, Romulus
Speaker 1: and The Long Walk Fame. He will play too Shan
Speaker 1: to Challa's son who is introduced at the end of
Speaker 1: Wakanda Forever. And I love the casting.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Some I've seen some sniping about it that this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't have the star power shut the fuck up, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck off Guyso he is so talented and good.
Speaker 2: He's so amazing. Chadwick is so amazing. Let's be real
Speaker 2: about the stop Like Chadwick became a star. He was
Speaker 2: already a star, but he was a global stop host.
Speaker 2: Black Panther David. I saw a great tweet where it's
Speaker 2: basically like that he has the same kind eyes as Chadwick,
Speaker 2: and it's fucking true, like they look like they could
Speaker 2: It looks like it could be his son. David has
Speaker 2: such an unbelievable range, Like if you've seen him in
Speaker 2: The Long Walk, which is just this incredibly bleak kind
Speaker 2: of slog of a movie, and he is the beating
Speaker 2: heart at the center of it. Alien Romulus, a movie
Speaker 2: that even people who didn't really like were like, that's
Speaker 2: the best character that we've gotten of that type. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna spoil it because you know, go watch the movie.
Speaker 2: It's actually pretty fun. Also, I want to shout out
Speaker 2: and me and Jason have already talked about this movie before,
Speaker 2: but he is a fantastic rom com lead in the
Speaker 2: delightful Ry Lane, which you can watch on Hulu.
Speaker 3: He has the range. She's fantastic.
Speaker 2: He literally looks like he is Chadwick and La Peter's child.
Speaker 2: It's incredible casting. He's humble as hell. You can tell
Speaker 2: that Ryan loves him. Also, I was very impressed FIGI
Speaker 2: has been on a humility press tour recently, which I
Speaker 2: think was needed, But he has been very open about
Speaker 2: the fact that even before he officially started looking for people,
Speaker 2: Ryan basically showed turned up to him and was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I found the guy. He was like, I saw him
Speaker 2: in a thing, and I found the guy, and I
Speaker 2: am meeting him in a hotel and if he's the guy,
Speaker 2: he's the guy. And five he was like, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: your choice, and that's fucking right, that's what we want
Speaker 2: to hear. And I think it's going to be really
Speaker 2: interesting to see where he lands and how they kind
Speaker 2: of showcase him living in the shadow of his dad,
Speaker 2: and obviously, like the second movie, that will be a
Speaker 2: real meta textual movie because it's also about David living
Speaker 2: in the shadowick shadow of Chadwick. So yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: this was immensely good casting. A lot of people were
Speaker 2: really rooting for Damson address, so I'd seen a little
Speaker 2: bit of controversy about that, But I thought this was
Speaker 2: delightful and I'm very happy about it.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy too. He is one of the most
Speaker 1: talented young actors out there. Just super super excited to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Next up, the Avengers Doomsday Megapanel came on.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: The official log line of the movie beloved heroes from
Speaker 1: three distinct universes will be set on a deadly collision
Speaker 1: course and face an existential threat unlike anything they've ever encountered.
Speaker 1: Even though I have been saying the pole so the
Speaker 1: staging was. It was a pretty incredible visual. Pedro Pascal
Speaker 1: for sevans Haileiatwell, Robert Denny Junior came out.
Speaker 2: They had them so through the crowd like that, twenty
Speaker 2: of them and they were like high fiving people. It
Speaker 2: was a real magical moment for the people in Hoole Ah.
Speaker 2: I think it had that juice that people like.
Speaker 1: Spect Then, like a Mutrushka Russian nesting doll, Marvel revealed
Speaker 1: a little bit of showboating pizazz by popping open a
Speaker 1: hidden second stage at the back of the Fallah from
Speaker 1: which the Thunderbolts cast in two thousand era X Men
Speaker 1: actors emerged and to your point, walk the entire length.
Speaker 2: The hall, and like am Baku, they kind of mixed
Speaker 2: it was basically like who you're going to see? They
Speaker 2: wanted to confumb there's going to be like twenty five
Speaker 2: people you know in this movie at least.
Speaker 1: And then we got the unique footage that has never
Speaker 1: been dropped yet. This is from a different trailer, I guess.
Speaker 1: Opens with Doom on a golden throne, Sue's storm saying
Speaker 1: Victor was always the smartest guy in every room. I
Speaker 1: knew he was lost, but didn't realize he was broken.
Speaker 1: She says everything he loved was taken from him. We
Speaker 1: see it destroyed cityscape and here read Richards, you know,
Speaker 1: saying Victor, did you do this? Doom again complaining about
Speaker 1: everything being stolen from him, and then we hear Thor
Speaker 1: saying I swear you for her what I through with you,
Speaker 1: and Doom stopping Thor's acts with like one ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah we and that finger. See we saw the that's
Speaker 2: been a huge talking point, the storm Breaker being stopped
Speaker 2: with two fingers. We yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then sent Tos are raised out of the ground
Speaker 1: and begin to fight our heroes. The cast as you
Speaker 1: know already is huge. We don't know much about the story,
Speaker 1: and it seems like everything they released thus far is
Speaker 1: just like fight fight, Fight, Fight, Fight. Will be eager
Speaker 1: to know what the story.
Speaker 2: Is, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Rosie. How are you feeling about the vibes for Doomsday?
Speaker 1: I will say that dipping my toe into like the
Speaker 1: fan discourse, I would say it's trending hotter, but still
Speaker 1: kind of like in the lukewarm agree, I would say,
Speaker 1: so people are looking people are looking at this like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got to prove it to me, but this is
Speaker 1: kind of it's excited for this, and then of course
Speaker 1: the you know, the regular kind of movie critics are
Speaker 1: just like, here we go again. Yeah, it's played out.
Speaker 2: I am slightly. I'm just a little bit nervous, but
Speaker 2: only ironically because Spider Man is like, was really good
Speaker 2: and did a lot of stuff that kind of counteracts,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the critiques that those people usually have.
Speaker 2: And you can read on my my substack. I mean no,
Speaker 2: you can read on my ghost my ghost newsletter. I
Speaker 2: wrote a spoiler fore review that was basically like talking
Speaker 2: about how I thought the balance was so good and
Speaker 2: part of that is these kind of almost smaller stakes.
Speaker 2: I do fear that what was great about Spider Man
Speaker 2: will not necessarily transition to Doomsday, and I fear that
Speaker 2: it may be a little wrinkle I just think about
Speaker 2: this is no spoilers, but the credits begin with these
Speaker 2: gorgeous shots of New York, these gorgeous b roll shots
Speaker 2: of New York, and you just feel like, yes, I'm there,
Speaker 2: I'm in New York. This is a real place where
Speaker 2: real characters live and I love them. And everything I
Speaker 2: see from Doomsday is, oh, that's Patrick Stewart, Oh that's
Speaker 2: you know, Like I worry that the grounding will not
Speaker 2: be there, but also look, do I want to see,
Speaker 2: for you know, beating up Doctor Doom? Yes I do.
Speaker 2: So will I be there, Yes I will. I just
Speaker 2: I just fear that so far the focus is not
Speaker 2: on the things that I think are most exciting about
Speaker 2: the MCU. But I agree with you, this has gone
Speaker 2: in the fan space from oh this is going to
Speaker 2: suck to wait a minute, maybe there's something here, like
Speaker 2: maybe we will get a bit of that endgame juice,
Speaker 2: like maybe this will set something up, and if it's
Speaker 2: going the route we think, I think it will end
Speaker 2: up streamlining everything so that by Secret Wars we are
Speaker 2: in a situation where there's one universe which will include
Speaker 2: all our characters, and that I think is a necessary
Speaker 2: step for where they've found themselves in the MCU alas
Speaker 2: not the celebratory call version that we would hope for,
Speaker 2: but I think that could take us back to that
Speaker 2: Spider Man place. I just I feel a little bit
Speaker 2: iffy about it, but it was so great to see
Speaker 2: everyone get so excited. And you know, I'm loving the
Speaker 2: discourse about Robert Downey Junior's Dracula accent.
Speaker 3: I think it's very far, but.
Speaker 2: People are not loving it, so you know, it's just
Speaker 2: like I'm waiting. I guess I'm waiting till December. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting till we get to see it, and I'm waiting
Speaker 2: to see if it gives me those feelings of like,
Speaker 2: you know, Cat picking up that hammer in an endgame.
Speaker 2: We've talked about a million times, but that was a
Speaker 2: magical moment. Can you repeat it? Is it a double beat?
Speaker 2: Are you going to be able to bring something new?
Speaker 2: Are we going to get some of the characters we
Speaker 2: haven't seen, Like, there's so much we don't know, but
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that post San Diego and post D twenty three,
Speaker 2: it's going to be like a rush of information about
Speaker 2: there were stay and the future.
Speaker 1: There was some bit work during the the Avengers Doomsday event,
Speaker 1: including Rye Leuds appearing in the crowd in his gray
Speaker 1: and black dead which he is now calling your costume.
Speaker 1: He's now he's describing it as a gen gray colored
Speaker 1: because it's denim, so you know, he's a very sassy man.
Speaker 1: There was kind of a very canned like heckling from
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd and some laughlines that I didn't quite land,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. So all of which is to say,
Speaker 1: I will that the black and gray suit is yet
Speaker 1: another data point that D twenty three is going to
Speaker 1: be big on X Men. There's so many science pointing
Speaker 1: towards X Men, including let's just say, theories about whom
Speaker 1: Sadie Sinc. Could possibly be in the current Spider Man
Speaker 1: Brand New Day movie. The understanding that you know there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of X Men in Avengers Doomsday,
Speaker 1: and so it's very interesting. I wonder if we're going
Speaker 1: to see any X Force.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to get a big x Men
Speaker 2: announcement at d twenty three. That is my feeling, san Diego.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us wanted that. I think
Speaker 2: timing Lise might not have worked for them, But I
Speaker 2: think you're right. They're teasing it with those little moments.
Speaker 2: No Disney plus show news, which is not surprising. We
Speaker 2: will talk about why later and yeah, I mean, Jason,
Speaker 2: I think that really our biggest hint that more X
Speaker 2: Men news is coming is that crazy drop that Aaron
Speaker 2: found this morning, just literally before we started recording. Thank God.
Speaker 1: Yes, well let's talk about that then, shall we? Shall
Speaker 1: we jump right into it. The Deadline announces today that
Speaker 1: Samorrow Weaving has landed the role of Emma Frost upcoming
Speaker 1: X Men film.
Speaker 2: Hi. Yeah, Yeah, that's crazy and I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I love this by director of The Thunderbolts asterisk Jake Schreier,
Speaker 1: which I'm I'm pretty excited. I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's good and I really like The Thunderbolts. Now here's
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of with Weaving, who has
Speaker 1: been on something of a role lately ready or not
Speaker 1: yet too came out last last summer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in she was in that she's the
Speaker 2: opening kill and the beginning of Scream six. Obviously we'd
Speaker 2: love Ready or not. She's in my friend Sewan's movie
Speaker 2: Enie Meanie, which was a super fun driving movie. She
Speaker 2: has great taste in scripts, and that also makes me excited, Like, obviously,
Speaker 2: don't turn down a Marvel gig for the money, but
Speaker 2: this makes me think Jake's script must be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It must be pretty cool. Here's the immediate thought I have.
Speaker 1: If Sadie Sink is Jean Gray hypothetically, hypothetically, if that
Speaker 1: is true, and we're headed towards a place where Jean
Speaker 1: Gray and Cyclops are going to be an item in
Speaker 1: the films, which I would expect would be true. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: And Scott Summer's Cyclops, who has yet to be cast,
Speaker 1: is an age appropriate match for Sadie Sink. If Sadie
Speaker 1: Sink is hypothetically Jean Gray, then we've got a situation where,
Speaker 1: and I don't hate it, where it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of an age gap situation. If we go to a
Speaker 1: place where Emma Scott and well, Emma and Scott are
Speaker 1: having psychic psychic effect affair, sexual relations whatever. Now, if
Speaker 1: that happens, they would have to do it several movies
Speaker 1: from now because it can't be when at the school
Speaker 1: and Scott is a student.
Speaker 2: This is definitely our favorite bookline, like we always but
Speaker 2: it's so true. I think I think you're right, Jay said,
Speaker 2: I think she's I like that she's a little bit older.
Speaker 3: She's ten years older than Sadie.
Speaker 2: Obviously we know that that's probably not the same age
Speaker 2: as whoever Sadi's playing, but I like that read.
Speaker 3: I love this casting. I think Samara has the juice.
Speaker 2: I think this is old school phase one casting, where
Speaker 2: they would just cast a fucking sick character actor who
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't imagine tomorrow, even in a superhero movie.
Speaker 2: Well, now she's playing like one of the most badass
Speaker 2: fucking characters ever, Jason, She's got to be a villain
Speaker 2: for the first movie at least, right, a little health I.
Speaker 1: Would bob em Yeah, I would expect. I would expect
Speaker 1: the Health Fire Club and Emma to eventually well certainly
Speaker 1: Emma to eventually be a good guy. But I think
Speaker 1: it will take two movies. I think it'll be one
Speaker 1: of those things where the Hellfire Club are villains, pure villains,
Speaker 1: and Emma is the one who's like, who kind of
Speaker 1: feels bad about it, who just feels a little bit.
Speaker 2: They also did just establish Janosha in the show, and
Speaker 2: we know that they do like to seed stuff. So
Speaker 2: I think having Emma around makes sense. You know, we
Speaker 2: love her. Yeah, I can't wait for that.
Speaker 3: I think that's bang costing.
Speaker 2: And I think if you are somebody who follows the trades,
Speaker 2: if you like to follow costing news, you can expect
Speaker 2: the next two weeks and the lead up to D
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is going to be the only
Speaker 3: X Men costing we see.
Speaker 2: That's my thinging.
Speaker 1: I agree. Now, the discourse, as we mentioned, was a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's interesting, right, like the mainstream press variety
Speaker 1: was basically like is that all the Avy Club was
Speaker 1: like the hall h reveals indicate that Marvel has like
Speaker 1: a lack of confidence. So's it's it's fascinating to see
Speaker 1: how this stuff is being received right now.
Speaker 2: And I also not doing this slate, I think, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that it was the right choice in my opinion,
Speaker 2: but every year, you know, we get used to these
Speaker 2: huge slates, so many of the movies don't get made
Speaker 2: and obviously, see, they didn't want to overpromise. I think,
Speaker 2: especially post Maherschela as Blade and that being announced there
Speaker 2: and that being such a non entity, I think they
Speaker 2: wanted to go smaller. But I do understand why industry
Speaker 2: wise that is looked upon as if it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's pulling back, you know. But I think that for
Speaker 2: the fans, which is what this is really for, I
Speaker 2: think it's relivered and they got excited.
Speaker 1: I complete, I agree, I agree, And as a fan myself,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I want to see David.
Speaker 1: I have my worries about, certainly about Doomsday, that it
Speaker 1: might be too over stuffed, that you were kind of
Speaker 1: rewinding the calendar to try and jump ahead and progress. Agree,
Speaker 1: you know, to get to rebuild momentum by going backwards.
Speaker 1: But I'm tentatively excited and coming off of the momentum
Speaker 1: of Spider Man brand New Day, which we will talk
Speaker 1: about soon, maybe Marvels, maybe Marvel's onto something. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we'll be back with some trailer thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're back. A slew of trailers got dropped at
Speaker 1: Sandy Comic Con at First Up Lanterns premier in August
Speaker 1: sixteenth of this very summer. That's pretty soon, folks logline
Speaker 1: New Recruit John Stewart, Aaron Pierre and Lantern Legend Hal
Speaker 1: Jordan Kyle Chandler two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark
Speaker 1: Earth based mystery with cosmic ties as they investigate a
Speaker 1: murder in the American heartland. The trailer is very dark
Speaker 1: and gritty and kind of in the tone of stuff
Speaker 1: we've seen before. We do get a lot more green
Speaker 1: Lantern power stuff happening, Yes, they definitely they see most
Speaker 1: or at least some of it. Finally, I just I
Speaker 1: gotta be real. I love Aaron Piaire casting. I love
Speaker 1: off Friday Night Lights casting. I think the great perfect casting.
Speaker 1: But this is very much like it's kind of like
Speaker 1: Supergirl in a way where it's just like I have
Speaker 1: been dark and grated so much.
Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen eighty eight, two years after
Speaker 2: fucking watch Bed started, Like my whole life has been
Speaker 2: dark and gritty, comic book stuff, and to have I
Speaker 2: know that for some people, lindal Off, Tom King, like
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the world are like, fuck yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the best team you could imagine.
Speaker 3: And fifty percent are like, that is not the team
Speaker 3: I would put on this.
Speaker 2: I am. The more I see of this, I am
Speaker 2: a this is not the team I would have put
Speaker 2: on this. I just I don't think it's for me.
Speaker 2: But I will say, if they can deliver a Penguin
Speaker 2: level show, right, maybe they're gonna fucking surprise us, because
Speaker 2: nobody thought the Penguin was going to be that good.
Speaker 3: Even though I loved the Batman, right, Like, nobody was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, this Colin Barrell Penguin spin off is going
Speaker 2: to be fucking award winning so good, like you can't
Speaker 2: stop watching it with like a fucking game change of
Speaker 2: performance by Kristin as you know, in that role Kristin Melotti.
Speaker 2: So like, maybe this will surprise me, but I do
Speaker 2: think it. To me, the trailer was just like more
Speaker 2: of the same. There was some interesting controversy around this
Speaker 2: trailer too, because I think it was screen rant misreported
Speaker 2: that it would all be released on the same day,
Speaker 2: which was not the case, but that's spread around San
Speaker 2: Diego as the talking point, do they believe in it?
Speaker 2: Do they not believe in it? It now is going
Speaker 2: to be clearly released weekly, so hopefully that means they
Speaker 2: think that it's got some juice that can get those
Speaker 2: talking points. What did you think of the green lantern effects?
Speaker 2: Did you think it looked good?
Speaker 1: I thought they were a pod very clean. I'm very
Speaker 1: intrigued that Sinestro appears to be the you know, the
Speaker 1: bad of this commit commit to the weird shit. I
Speaker 1: like that commit to the weird shit. It's also been
Speaker 1: confirmed that the Manhunters will be involved as a as
Speaker 1: a signal an antagonist here, which is very very fun.
Speaker 1: I will say that, like the reports that I've read
Speaker 1: at Ion nine, the direct elsewhere say that the clips
Speaker 1: that they played in the room were much more buzzy
Speaker 1: and well receissin the trailer is interesting.
Speaker 2: So this is a very interesting Well, this is another
Speaker 2: interesting point though, because the reporting was essentially like they
Speaker 2: showed everything but the first like they showed everything where
Speaker 2: it almost felt like you were seeing the pilot, but
Speaker 2: they didn't just show the pilot. So that obviously means
Speaker 2: that there's something very spoilerific there. But from what they
Speaker 2: from what I heard, the clips of the actual show
Speaker 2: really played amazingly in the room. So yeah, that sounds
Speaker 2: like a good a good omen for us and maybe
Speaker 2: it's got like a baby Yoda style twist at the end.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't they don't want to reveal.
Speaker 1: Now, Gunn the embattled question Mark, James Gunny Good the Believer.
Speaker 1: James Gunn did not appear in Hall h which you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know he was on. He appeared in a
Speaker 1: video message take Me from the set of Man of Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: in which he talked about how and kind of like
Speaker 1: set the stage for this show. But I am excited
Speaker 1: for this show. I think it looks great. Mynd worry
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're just kind of being a
Speaker 1: dead horse with this because I want DC to succeed
Speaker 1: and I want it to I want this. I want
Speaker 1: the gun Era to be the success like I Actually
Speaker 1: I think I think comic movies will be better if
Speaker 1: that happens. It does feel as if this is you know,
Speaker 1: when you go to dinner with somebody and they just
Speaker 1: order like three appetizers. That's what it feels like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good way of putting it. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't feel like we're building towards a meal.
Speaker 2: But we will see, we will.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this. We will see up next Lord of.
Speaker 2: The Ring a man sexy Souron He's back.
Speaker 1: Briggs of Power visual teaser trailer only the teaser Sexy
Speaker 1: Soarn is back.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this, I thought, I look good.
Speaker 3: Everyone's wanted to see sexy sourn it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of also giving to me like
Speaker 2: a little bit of a interview of the vampire switching
Speaker 2: to the Vampire list stat where. I do feel like
Speaker 2: this teaser trailer is very different from the rest of
Speaker 2: the seasons, which were very cozy and cute, and this
Speaker 2: is like darker son evil, which season two did begin
Speaker 2: with a really great opening that kind of reset that tone.
Speaker 2: So I do think that also going to be hoping
Speaker 2: for a few more like classic stands. Here. We also
Speaker 2: got a glimpse of official first look at Gandalf. You know,
Speaker 2: if you watched the show, you'll know that was a
Speaker 2: long burn come in so so yeah, I'm interested. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the show. I feel like I
Speaker 2: love to see millions of dollars spent well on a
Speaker 2: border the Rings story by an evil operation. Like to me,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna complain because it's always lovely to watch,
Speaker 2: but yeah, no, I thought this bang. Actually I was.
Speaker 2: I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Listen, evil corporations and billionaires only do two positive things
Speaker 1: for us, that is pay athletes and make movies and
Speaker 1: television jokes. So like, keep spending that money, What the
Speaker 1: fuck do I care? Some interesting reveals from the Simon
Speaker 1: Peg the voice of Bowrog.
Speaker 2: Oh crazy, But I like the nudy. I like the
Speaker 2: nut bringing in the nuts, the lifelong nuts.
Speaker 1: Bringing the nerd. I really enjoyed the kind of like
Speaker 1: darker feel, which is appropriate for the rise of Sarah
Speaker 1: on the show premieres November eleventh. Apparently three drops. There's
Speaker 1: going to be an episode one to four drop November eleventh,
Speaker 1: then episodes five and six November eighteenth, and then episode
Speaker 1: seventh and seven and eight November twenty fifth. Five there's
Speaker 1: a time jump, Yes, this is a five your time
Speaker 1: jump after the events of season two, at the height
Speaker 1: of the War of the Elves and Sarn with the
Speaker 1: forging of the One Ring as the spine of the story. Yes,
Speaker 1: how do you interpret this drop, Cadence.
Speaker 2: I think that they are hoping for like a holiday
Speaker 2: binge watch type situation, And I'm also guessing that each
Speaker 2: end it, they've basically ended it wherever there is an
Speaker 2: arc that can kind of have a cliffhanger that will
Speaker 2: keep people watching. Because we know they have had retention
Speaker 2: issues with this specific show and getting people to watch
Speaker 2: the entire season, so I think it's to do with that.
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to find ways to hook people in.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not gonna lie. I actually think they have
Speaker 2: a secret weapon this year, which is Jamie Campbell Bauer,
Speaker 2: who played Veckner. He who is just unbelievably popular, right, Like,
Speaker 2: people fucking love that kid.
Speaker 3: Vecner is huge. He was DJing at San Diego Comic Con.
Speaker 2: He's playing Celliborn, He's playing the Why, the husband of Galadriel.
Speaker 2: So I think that could bring a big STAN kind
Speaker 2: of contingent in. I think that they're going for a
Speaker 2: bit of a younger audience with that costing, So I'm
Speaker 2: interested to see where it lands. But I think the
Speaker 2: cadence says they need people to keep watching. So they've
Speaker 2: basically made three small movies, you know.
Speaker 1: Now here's the big news that, as many have pointed out,
Speaker 1: this is kind of this This is basically what I
Speaker 1: think fans thought the show was going to store. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this season is going to be what everything has been
Speaker 1: leading to, and it's going to be the story that
Speaker 1: I think people were thinking the show was going to
Speaker 1: be when we came into it. So I think that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stouts for it. I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 1: Up next. Blade Runner twenty ninety nine official trailer.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have looked this good, Like I shouldn't think it
Speaker 2: was going to be good.
Speaker 1: Should not have looked this good. This is a eight
Speaker 1: episode limited series which will career in November twenty fifth
Speaker 1: on Amazon. Crime video log line. Fifty years after the
Speaker 1: events of Blade Runner twenty forty nine, Los Angeles has
Speaker 1: been reborn, just not by humanity. Cora, a fugitive in
Speaker 1: a final bid to stop running, takes on one last identity,
Speaker 1: a blade Runner. Forced to partner with Olwen, a replicant.
Speaker 1: Days from dying, she hunts down a runaway hiding a
Speaker 1: truth that could collapse their fragile city. This is one
Speaker 1: of the most unwillly log lines I've ever read.
Speaker 2: I've ever read insane very detailed. It's very detailed. It
Speaker 2: also makes me laugh because what they're basically doing is
Speaker 2: they're doing pre show exposition.
Speaker 3: In the log line.
Speaker 2: Yes. Also, I'm sorry, I just need to put this here, guys.
Speaker 2: I mean this is obviously gonna the baby that they
Speaker 2: find is obviously gonna be a half replicant half human baby. Like,
Speaker 2: come the fuck on, Like this is the biggest tease ever.
Speaker 2: I love it. Basically pitched at San Diego as a
Speaker 2: paranormal detective show between a dying replicant and like a
Speaker 2: human who is And it's Michelle Yo and Hunter Shafer,
Speaker 2: So I think that's also.
Speaker 1: That's immediately yeah, immediately enough to get me to tutor it.
Speaker 3: I watched it and I was like, oh wait, this
Speaker 3: is like Amazon trying to come for Apple.
Speaker 2: This is Amazon saying, okay, Apple, you're the one who's
Speaker 2: been doing the high concept sci fi. We can do that.
Speaker 3: Like this is a lost leader for us too, we
Speaker 3: can spend money.
Speaker 2: So I was blown away. I did not have any
Speaker 2: kind of even conception of this show. I remember they
Speaker 2: announced it, but the wraps were all over San Diego,
Speaker 2: the trains were driving through, and when I watched it,
Speaker 2: I was honestly like, this is probably the coolest, most
Speaker 2: unexpected trailer I saw, and yeah, it's also going to
Speaker 2: be a new kind of realm in my understanding of
Speaker 2: what we've seen, where replicants are more accepted and humans
Speaker 2: are more unaccepted. I don't know, I'm very excited to
Speaker 2: see where it goes. Great time to check out the
Speaker 2: Blade Runner projects that they've done aside from this, the
Speaker 2: comics and stuff. Just a really cool world and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm stoked for that one.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Apple TV, plus, I'm going to add something right,
Speaker 1: please do it audible. The long, long, long awaited adaptation
Speaker 1: of Neuromancer.
Speaker 2: The Oh My God Jesus.
Speaker 1: Sci fi series debuted at Santi or Koma Con and
Speaker 1: I think this was the hit trailer of a great
Speaker 1: comicon it Oh my God. First of all, starring Callum Turner,
Speaker 1: wife of Dua Lipa. He's the male wife of being
Speaker 1: a wife. He's doing a fantastic and supportive job being
Speaker 1: her wife. And here he is as the main character
Speaker 1: in Neuromancer, who is like a damage top tier super
Speaker 1: hacker operating out of futuristic Japan. For anybody who's who's
Speaker 1: read that book, it's I mean, don't read it now
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be spoiled, but fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's hot to even put into what's like. This is
Speaker 2: very It's one of the most important books ever written.
Speaker 2: If you are a sci fi fan, it's one of
Speaker 2: the most This and the Difference Engine a kind of
Speaker 2: your two most establishing kind of different genre spaces. This
Speaker 2: is your cyberpunk genre space. Difference Engine is steampunk genre space.
Speaker 2: But those were the books I read as a kid
Speaker 2: that changed my kind of view of what's on my country.
Speaker 1: First of all, just a quick thing about Neuromancer by
Speaker 1: William Gibson. The book came out in nineteen eighty four
Speaker 1: and basically invented a lot of the terminology that we
Speaker 1: currently exactly is about the Internet, about hacking. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible, incredible book. It was thought to be
Speaker 1: unadaptable at the time, which means nothing now and of
Speaker 1: course for an environment, but the trailer debuted at Santy
Speaker 1: or Comic Con, and it is fucking John dropping.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable great. It's like if you were a kid
Speaker 2: and you dreamed of what a movie of Neuromance would
Speaker 2: look like, you would hope it looked like this. I'm
Speaker 2: not apart from Callum Turner being you know, Dua Lipa's husband.
Speaker 2: I do not necessarily presume he has the juice, but
Speaker 2: this made me he has the juice. This I think
Speaker 2: you need to be This is a great He's essentially
Speaker 2: a hacker who acts with his mind, which I think
Speaker 2: is going to be really interesting. Also, I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the creative team. So it's it's Graham Roland,
Speaker 2: who is who's like an indigenous creator who created a
Speaker 2: Dark Winds which is fucking amazing. Like we've already talked about.
Speaker 2: To watch Dark Winds. It's like this incredible indigenous res
Speaker 2: set kind of supernatural detective show. And it's by JD
Speaker 2: and JD Dillard, who I believe is one of our
Speaker 2: most underrated kind of directors. He wrote this incredible he Drew.
Speaker 2: He made this incredible movie in twenty nineteen called Sweetheart,
Speaker 2: which was like a fucking cosmic horror movie, and if
Speaker 2: it had not come out just prior to COVID, it
Speaker 2: would have just completely blown up. I was begging for
Speaker 2: it to get a real release during COVID at their
Speaker 2: drive ins. He is so fantastic.
Speaker 3: He made this movie called Slight that I think was
Speaker 3: really popular.
Speaker 2: I am just a big fan, and I think he
Speaker 2: hasn't had his chance to really shine outside of just
Speaker 2: doing some random episodes like he did an episode of
Speaker 2: the Twilight Zone, he did an episode of The Outsider,
Speaker 2: he was allegedly doing like a Star Wars movie that
Speaker 2: never got made. So the fact that this actually got
Speaker 2: made and it took them so long to make it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think from how many comic book creators I
Speaker 2: saw resharing this, especially British comic book creators, I would
Speaker 2: assume that when the writing room comes out, we're gonna
Speaker 2: see some recognizable names because I saw people like Jamie McKelvey,
Speaker 2: Kieran Gillen resharing this just being like, this is it,
Speaker 2: this is it, this is it.
Speaker 1: That's a great detail. And I will also say, like
Speaker 1: we've been talking about it, Apple is killing it with
Speaker 1: science fiction, killing crazy and this is, you know, along
Speaker 1: with Foundation, truly one of the iconic series books stories
Speaker 1: in sci fi and modern sci fi. I fucking cannot
Speaker 1: wait for this. The cast is incredible, including Mark Strong,
Speaker 1: Peter Sausgard, d Dandihan Clement's posy Like it's just I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. This is going to be a ten episode
Speaker 1: series creative for television, as you mentioned by Graham Rowland. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Folks comes out January twenty second.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I cannot fucking wait for this one.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna blow the roof off next year's
Speaker 2: back conversations if it looks this good, like and yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, I mean for sci fi people, this is.
Speaker 3: A momentous adaptation.
Speaker 2: And I kind of think if I was Apple, I
Speaker 2: would have basically tried to adapt this off the you know,
Speaker 2: obviously adapting another adaptable book by an incredible sci firi
Speaker 2: that no one ever thought could be made, you know.
Speaker 2: So I think I would have gone to them and
Speaker 2: immediately pitched them and like, hey, look we can do this.
Speaker 3: We can fucking make neromansa and the I mean.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it, but the shots of future Japan, it
Speaker 1: like looks like a Kira or something but live. It's
Speaker 1: just so tremendously exciting the quality of the trailer. If
Speaker 1: if this signifies like how good the show is going
Speaker 1: to be, Oh my gosh, I'm ready and not fucking wait.
Speaker 2: Read age I said.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. H Finally, more footage from the upcoming Insomniac Games.
Speaker 1: Marvel's Wolverine. Oh yeah, that's very exclusive, and folks, uh,
Speaker 1: it's bloody as you would expect. Yes, the premises, Logan
Speaker 1: comes out of retirement after three years to rejoin Team
Speaker 1: X when Bollivar Trusts starts kidnapping mutants, forcing him to
Speaker 1: unite mutants globally against an extinction event. Rescue targets will
Speaker 1: include Leech, Oh, poor little Artie, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: I know and nature Girl. Logan's history with the Hand
Speaker 1: will be a major thread. And if you've seen any
Speaker 1: of the footage that has been released lately and you're worried,
Speaker 1: like am I going to be able to like decapitate Ninja, Yes.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. It's actually got a blood ability that you
Speaker 2: can like move how bloody it is and how unbloody
Speaker 2: because it's so excessive at some points. This is really cool.
Speaker 2: The coolest thing that I found out from San Diego
Speaker 2: was this is a Logan who's been raised by mister Sinistha,
Speaker 2: I guess in this kind of space, which I think
Speaker 2: is really cool. It is also cininically in the same
Speaker 2: world as the Spider Man games in Insomniac.
Speaker 3: So this is a schedule of us which I think
Speaker 3: is really interesting.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I'm going to play the shout this game,
Speaker 2: like I can't even lie. I'm probably gonna finally to
Speaker 2: buy a PS five for this one. Like, come on, yeah, Jason,
Speaker 2: bad news. We were having so much fun.
Speaker 1: We were having a wonderful amount of fun. Wonder Man
Speaker 1: has been canceled at Disney Plus. Now here's what's On
Speaker 1: the one hand, you're like, Okay, that kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense considering the drop kams. But here's what doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense about it. The show was renewed in March literally, So.
Speaker 2: This is my current theory. This is my current theory.
Speaker 2: I think from the report and that we're seeing Writers
Speaker 2: Room never opened season two pick up less than like
Speaker 2: fucking five months ago, right as were released immediately basically
Speaker 2: to other projects. I don't think they ever intended to
Speaker 2: actually pick it up for season two. I think that
Speaker 2: they did that because there was such a huge ground
Speaker 2: swell of critic on public support that they were like,
Speaker 2: fuck we.
Speaker 1: Look, they wanted nominations, they wanted the Emmys.
Speaker 2: I think you lose the.
Speaker 1: Emmy nominations if you don't pick it.
Speaker 2: Say it's a people doing show. Agree, yes, And I also,
Speaker 2: and I also believe I might be wrong about this,
Speaker 2: but I think I'm right.
Speaker 1: The good thing about renewing it and then canceling it,
Speaker 1: even though it is a rug pull for us the Fans,
Speaker 1: is an excellent show that deserves to be seen and
Speaker 1: deserves the second season. I think the good news about
Speaker 1: the renewal and then cancelation is the renewal should trigger
Speaker 1: the writer's room getting paid.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, good. We love that fingers crossed.
Speaker 3: I think at least a little bit of money.
Speaker 1: I think theoretically people would have gotten paid off that renewal.
Speaker 2: I also say, ya Yaya did a great post where
Speaker 2: he was kind of like, hey man, this happened, but
Speaker 2: I guess I'll see you at the fucking Emmys.
Speaker 3: So I kind of love that he's still going to
Speaker 3: get his little shine.
Speaker 2: We know that there was a lot of conversation that
Speaker 2: Figi had with him about how this was such an
Speaker 2: important role and he wouldn't make him take on the
Speaker 2: role if it wasn't a big deal. So hopefully that
Speaker 2: means we will get more Simon. I mean, it's hilarious
Speaker 2: that Ben Kingsley also got a nom for this and
Speaker 2: they canceled the show. Yeah, I mean it's a bummer
Speaker 2: to me. But I don't really know whether they're going
Speaker 2: to keep making TV shows like this honestly as they
Speaker 2: go forward. So I think that this could also be
Speaker 2: more of a sign about their plans for Disney Plus
Speaker 2: than specifically about wonder Man.
Speaker 3: But this was received very badly, and I think fairly.
Speaker 1: The cancelation was received exactly the show was received. One
Speaker 1: of Oh, the.
Speaker 2: Show was like ninety one percent critics score and run
Speaker 2: Tomatoes beloved huge. I mean, I got the guys on
Speaker 2: Escape Patch into it, and they do not really fuck
Speaker 2: with Marvel in the same way, and they were all
Speaker 2: devastated when it was canceled yesterday. I think unfortunately this
Speaker 2: read whether it's intentional or not, like look at the
Speaker 2: ship that gets canceled at Marvel Man, like they put
Speaker 2: this shod stuff that doesn't get picked up, that doesn't
Speaker 2: get made. Obviously, we had this issue with Blade no
Speaker 2: Eyes of Waconda season two, the Dora Malage series that
Speaker 2: was supposed to start the Blade. Obviously our biggest issue
Speaker 2: the Marvel's not seeming to appear anywhere in Doomsday, whether
Speaker 2: or not it is intentional it looks like Marvel is
Speaker 2: reacting to the current politics, and I don't think that's
Speaker 2: going to make people feel included or happy. But we'll
Speaker 2: see if that plays out in Doomsday. I'm hoping it's
Speaker 2: going to be a different story on screen.
Speaker 1: The other part of this is sadly, I mean, despite
Speaker 1: the critical claim Wonderman did not develop an audience.
Speaker 2: We don't know that. We don't Disney really court.
Speaker 1: Disney Plus, of course, like all the streamers, does not
Speaker 1: release actual data, but the data that is available through
Speaker 1: Nielsen and elsewhere, which measures basically accrude minutes watch watched
Speaker 1: minutes through their own third party system that measures people
Speaker 1: watching on streaming platforms and then registering with Nielsen, just
Speaker 1: like in the old days with TV had Wonderman at
Speaker 1: six hundred and eighteen million minutes in week one. This
Speaker 1: is in the Binge model. Now. The thing about the
Speaker 1: Binge model is it does inflate. One week drops Echo,
Speaker 1: which is widely thought to be the weakest or among
Speaker 1: the weakest, of the Disney Plus TV Marvel offerings, was
Speaker 1: at seven hundred and thirty one million, and you know,
Speaker 1: barely more than wonder Man. Wonderman did make like one
Speaker 1: appearance in the top ten appearance on meals, and then
Speaker 1: it dropped off so sadly also people were not watching it.
Speaker 2: It seems it's Yeah, it's a tough It's the constant
Speaker 2: tough conversation with streaming where it's like, what is success,
Speaker 2: what do they deem as success? What will they use
Speaker 2: as an excuse? I think we will get more news
Speaker 2: on this soon. It seemed like Yaya already at least
Speaker 2: had a bit of a heads up, but I thought
Speaker 2: the post was a good kind of reclamation of his
Speaker 2: time and his kind of like agency on it. It
Speaker 2: will be interesting to see where it goes. I hope
Speaker 2: we see him turn up again. I think at least
Speaker 2: we got almost perfect season of Supero TV. You know
Speaker 2: that team division like.
Speaker 3: I love those, they're remains your.
Speaker 1: Previous point though Daredevil Born Against season one never charted
Speaker 1: under the Nielsen exactly Nielsen measurement and did get renewed,
Speaker 1: So we don't, you know, we don't sure what's what's
Speaker 1: going on up next?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, in our insane news that we will surely
Speaker 2: be out of day on by the time you listen
Speaker 2: to this tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So I think I predicted one seventy five to two
Speaker 1: twenty as the opening. You did one for Spider Brand New.
Speaker 2: Day, you did one A eight to two ten, and
Speaker 2: I did two ten and we were really, we were
Speaker 2: very very.
Speaker 1: So Sony is projecting one hundred and ninety five million domestic.
Speaker 1: The movie's already made one hundred million internationally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And can I just say that domestically yesterday in
Speaker 2: previews it made seventy four million dollars in one day.
Speaker 2: So Sony's like doing a safe projection where they're saying
Speaker 2: like it's going to be one hundred and ninety five
Speaker 2: mil domestic, But are the studios and indie trackers are
Speaker 2: basically saying they think it's going to open closer to
Speaker 2: two fifty to three hundred million domes.
Speaker 1: Thirty to two fifty box office process too, eight to
Speaker 1: three hundred, which is the high side. And then when
Speaker 1: you throw global in there, you're looking at almost half
Speaker 1: a billion to you know, four twenty five to four
Speaker 1: sixty five million globally.
Speaker 2: I saw huge, huge, huge movie.
Speaker 1: To your point, seventy two million is the highest grossing
Speaker 1: previews score box office number ever. This is fucking monster movie.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, I didn't think it could out
Speaker 2: do No Way Home because everyone had been waiting for
Speaker 2: The Spider Man Together, right or the Spider Man's depending
Speaker 2: on what you believe. But I will say if this
Speaker 2: movie truly opens as big, I saw Jason people predicting
Speaker 2: that if it opens domestically as big as they expect,
Speaker 2: like up to three hundred, and if the international keeps going,
Speaker 2: there is a chance that the opening weekend globally could
Speaker 2: be as big as eight hundred or nine hundred million.
Speaker 2: If they open this to almost a billion opening weekend,
Speaker 2: we haven't seen that since Endgame.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Numbers like this is the craziest shit. So if if
Speaker 2: it opens bigger than three point fifty seven domestically, it
Speaker 2: will be Endgame domestically, And if it opens bigger than
Speaker 2: to sixty, it will be No Way Home, which will
Speaker 2: be make it the second biggest opening domestically of all time.
Speaker 2: I think it will be No Way Home at this point.
Speaker 2: The word of mouth is incredible. I'm I'm currently recording
Speaker 2: this in Florida, and I was at City Walk yesterday
Speaker 2: and they No Joke had twenty screenings of this. They
Speaker 2: had the XD, the four XD, the three D, Like
Speaker 2: every single hour there was a different way to watch
Speaker 2: Spider Man, and when I was looking, they were all
Speaker 2: fucking packed. So this is a little bit of a
Speaker 2: juice builder for Marvel.
Speaker 3: But also, Jason, does this raise an issue?
Speaker 2: Does this start to make it look like Marvel can't
Speaker 2: make a billion dollars without Sony? Honestly, if this happened
Speaker 2: without Spider Man, which means in this case, you know,
Speaker 2: without Sony, I mean you have to wonder.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Doomsday this I mean Avengers
Speaker 1: endgame preview box office number was with sixty million, so
Speaker 1: Brand New Day is already sky that with seventy c
Speaker 1: So that's crazy, very interesting indicators there. I think, Listen,
Speaker 1: Spider Man has been He's the guy. We know that,
Speaker 1: we know that he's the iconic character in Marvel and
Speaker 1: has been for eighty years, seventy years or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's really about the character, less about Sony.
Speaker 1: But I think you're right, it does indicate that this
Speaker 1: marriage between Marvel and Sony is going to continue for
Speaker 1: a while, because I don't think I think there's just
Speaker 1: too much incentive for them to keep going. Sony does
Speaker 1: not have the other characters that make the world feel
Speaker 1: lived in for Peter Records, and it's fascinating. Now here's
Speaker 1: some other stuff that's fascinating. Brand New Day is playing
Speaker 1: on zero, yes, zero, Imax. I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 1: this up, Jason, because my zero this means any vision
Speaker 1: could fucking work for these bloody fuck I don't want.
Speaker 2: It to work. I think it's stupid. But this movie
Speaker 2: is currently not playing in Imax screens. This is the
Speaker 2: soft launching. You can make a billion dollar movie without
Speaker 2: having Imax, which is the ultimate expensive premium format upgrade ticket.
Speaker 2: So the Odyssey is still booming. It's gonna end up
Speaker 2: making a bill globally for sure. It's because of that
Speaker 2: three week Imax exclusive. So I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 2: that up because I think that those Disney execs who
Speaker 2: came up with Infinity Vision are rubbing their hands together
Speaker 2: right now. Also, Jason, could this be the first time
Speaker 2: that a director has had the biggest opening of their
Speaker 2: lives and also a cancelation in the same day.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it can't be said enough. The movie
Speaker 1: that just set the all time previews record and is
Speaker 1: all the way towards perhaps a billion dollars in box
Speaker 1: office and you know, half a billion dollars globally over
Speaker 1: an opening weekend. Is doing it without any Imax screens.
Speaker 1: To your point, I mean, Marvel vision could work vision
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck vision. It could possibly work. It
Speaker 1: could work crazy.
Speaker 2: This is a crazy week for Marvel news and other news,
Speaker 2: but I mean we're a week for Marvel fans. This
Speaker 2: is it's kind of popping off, honestly, like and I
Speaker 2: think it's only going to get bigger leading into D
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 3: The big question now is can James got in his.
Speaker 2: Clay Face movie, which and Joel talked about. It looks cute,
Speaker 2: it's a horror movie, we get it. Can can he
Speaker 2: come back and do some crazy billion dollar like obsession
Speaker 2: style take for that movie because other oh wise, I
Speaker 2: don't know how much juice the Gun has left within it.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of too late now. The train tracks
Speaker 1: have been laid, and the train tracks should have been
Speaker 1: leading towards Justice League and they're not. And some of
Speaker 1: this I think was outside of his control because he
Speaker 1: never had Batman in house or didn't have a plan
Speaker 1: to integrate Matt Reeves's version of the character into the universe,
Speaker 1: or it just didn't have a plan to launch Batman
Speaker 1: in any significant way beyond Brave and the Bold, which
Speaker 1: we've heard nothing about since its first announcement. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was a everything that everything that DC
Speaker 1: put out has been good. I enjoyed the trailer for Lanterns.
Speaker 1: I think the clay Face trailer is good. But to
Speaker 1: your point, it's kind of it's a variety of salads
Speaker 1: when their direct competitor is bringing out like steak and
Speaker 1: Koko van and sushi, et cetera. So I'm concerned for James.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Yeah, wells, you know, listen, who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe Crazy's gonna be Matt Reeves's universe in the future.
Speaker 1: May I would love to say of the next week's
Speaker 1: episodes of X Ray Vision, we've got House of the
Speaker 1: Dry and we've got Spider Man, Brand New Day, Roundtable,
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven, all that and more. Thanks for
Speaker 1: listening to this episode of News.
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