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Speaker 1: In the long history of the British government, only one

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of the Treasury of the British government. That

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Speaker 1: woman is Rachel Reeves. Had a chance at Davos recently

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Speaker 1: In your position, Chancellor of the Exchequer, you're the equivalent

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Speaker 1: but also the head of the officer management and budget.

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Speaker 1: Do you not prepare the budget for the government? I do.

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Speaker 2: I do also prepare the budget.

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Speaker 3: We have an independent forecaster who provides the forecast and

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Speaker 3: costs the policies that we put forward. But what is

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Speaker 3: in the budget is my choice, the policies that I

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Speaker 3: the last of my budgets in November last year in England.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to balance the budget or you can

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Speaker 3: You can borrow money, but we're reducing that. I don't

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Speaker 1: In the budget you've proposed You propose a tax increase?

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Speaker 1: Is that very popular to doing? Will you get it approved?

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Speaker 3: We do have a big majority in Parliament. When I

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Speaker 3: And the cost of living, and the previous government had

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Speaker 3: That required a number of adjustments, both on spending and

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Speaker 3: indeed on tax. When you come in as a business

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Speaker 2: Plan, you have to sort it out.

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Speaker 3: And I had to fix that mess now on being

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Speaker 3: Require quite a big repair job to put the public

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Speaker 1: Many wealthy people who are not British by birth, who

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Speaker 3: We want Britain to be a magnet for wealth and

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Speaker 1: Now, the world has seen enormous amounts of growth in

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Speaker 3: that is really exciting. We'll keep more of those businesses here.

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Speaker 1: Now in the United States, there's been a well publicized

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Speaker 3: No. Since nineteen ninety seven, actually the previous Labor Chancellor,

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Speaker 3: I know that politicians often say I don't want to

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Speaker 1: So it was two hundred and fifty years ago that

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Speaker 1: Now in the United States, we often have a thing

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Speaker 1: Respect to the economy, here is it your view that

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Speaker 1: So what do you do in your spare time? I

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got two children who are aged twelve and ten,

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Speaker 1: If you're running in the park, who people come up

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Speaker 3: I try and go running quite early in the morning

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Speaker 1: And your children call you chancellor or they just call

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Speaker 3: I mean, mom is about the politest thing they'll call me.

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Speaker 2: I'm incredibly proud of them.

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Speaker 1: Final question is I've often thought the best titles in

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Speaker 3: security service.

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Speaker 2: And my daughter.

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Speaker 3: Said, that is a much cooler job than my mom's,

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Speaker 3: so I was certainly put in my place.

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