1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Because I'm not at the top of a power structure. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: I am landed brutently in the middle of the workers. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Even though I obviously have a very like fantastic, glamorous job, 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm of service people I work for. So when there's 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: sixteen events in one week, I think to myself, well, hey, 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I've got to do all those events because that's how 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: I get paid. But b why are we having them 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: at all right now? Why are they making this decision 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: at the top, Like why are not why is gonna 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: be changing? Everybody said they were going to change, Well 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: nothing's changed, and so it's annoying. An annoying that is 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: a word. And I am excited about our guests. She 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: definitely has thick skin um and she is so inspiring 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: and so very many ways. Sit back, relax. I got 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: celebrity stylist Carla well Share. I'm an ask her, do 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: you have time to sell me for two dollars and 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty seven cents because I gotta pay these bills right now. 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Stay with us and welcome to Naked. Every champion and 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: carry champion is to be a champion of champion and 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: carry champion and carry champion. The champion and carry Champion 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: and carry Champion, Raiders, raiders and sports and entertain making 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: naked wider in the world with vulnerable considered, we come 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and remove the vail from entertainment elite. It's a difference 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: between what it's real and with the public seat. So 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: here's your favorite celebrities behind the scenes. It's refreshing up 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: then the whole story specific life, all to rend events 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: to shape the person that you. Henry gotta champion and 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: carry Champion, the girl you did it. It's the greatest 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: in sports and entertainment. Can naked with every champion and 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: carry champions. To be a champion, the champion they carry Champion, 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: they girls, pitty yout the champion they carry Champion and 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: carry Champion, Raiders, freiders and sports and entertain making Naked 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is a new edition of Naked uh 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: and I'm excited. By way of background, I want to 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: let you all know that when we film or when 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: we record Naked, we usually film or record two to 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: three weeks in advance. And today I am going to 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: talk about something that happened this week currently and I'm 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: going to connect it with our guests Carla in whatever 40 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: way I can connect it but I want you to 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: know I am going to address Sage Steal. I've done 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: so on Twitter. I've casually said something on CNN where 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: I was really measured, and I do believe that I 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: have been measured in this topic. Um And by way 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: of background, again, stage Steal is um an anchor at ESPN, 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: appear a colleague, someone who does what I do for 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: a living. I worked with her while they're at ESPN. 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: I know her because she knows me. It wasn't a 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: high and by we know one another, we know of 50 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: one another, we know who we think each other is. 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Meaning she thinks she knows me. She thinks she really 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: knows who I am, and I think I know who 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: she who she may be, but we both could be wrong. 54 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: I was upset with her comments on Jay Cutler's podcast 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm Not Gonna Lie. I did not like the fact 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: that she said she didn't understand why Obama President Obama 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: identified as black. I'm paraphrasing. You can go back and listen. 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Because he was raised by a white woman and a 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: white grandmother. His white mom and his white grandmother. It's 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: it's so she was fascinated by the fact that he 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: allegedly on his senses only checked black and I hit 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: me for a few reasons. I immediately tweeted Las, I, 63 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, my father wasn't around when I was younger, 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: and I'm still black? What are you talking about? President Obama? 65 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: And I'll get to Carla in a second, but I 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: gotta address this. President Obama is a black man in 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: in society. That's saying if you got to drop you 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: a whole, meaning like if you've got to ounce a 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: black and you people will say you are black. We 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: didn't make that up. Whether he identifies as bi racial 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: or not, I don't know. That has nothing to do 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: with anything. It's not like he's saying, my mom isn't white. 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I have no idea why someone would be focused on this, 74 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: but what I do know is that it's inherently wrong 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that Obama is a black man when he 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: walks down the street. If he wasn't President Obama and 77 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: he worked at the local liquor store, but Rock the 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: liquor store owner would be identified as a black man, 79 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: they wouldn't walk up to him and be like, is 80 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: your mom white? Is your dad? Is your your dad black? 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And your mom is white? Huh? Okay, great, his experience 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: is that of a black man. And he said this 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: when he was running for president, he said this, I 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: remember giving him giving this eloquent speech like it was yesterday. 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: So he identifies as a black man for obvious reasons, 86 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: because that's the way the world sees him entreats him. 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: So the lack of awareness on her part really bothered me. 88 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: It also hit hard because we have a problem within 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: our culture a black man not being around. I mean, 90 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people I know whose parents 91 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: were not together and their fathers run around. I am 92 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: one of those people. My father is now around. But 93 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: I understand that's a painful situation, and you can't talk 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: about it so dismissively. It's just disrespectful. The second thing is, 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: and this is probably what most people were upset with, 96 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: is that she said she didn't want to associate with 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: young women who dressed a certain way. She wouldn't mentor 98 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: them if they helped her. And by the way, she 99 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: wasn't even really referring to young women, because on many 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: occasions she has told people she did not like the 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: way I dress. My skirts are too short, my heels 102 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: too high, and why am I dressed like this, none 103 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: of your business. Now back to the mentees. That's the 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: main reason you mentor somebody. I have a ton of mentees. 105 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Trust me, if I think they're dressed inappropriately, they'll hear 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: about it. I get at them. If they're listening right now, 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: tell them, Carrie will get at you for you look 108 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: like how you behave, how you present yourself. Whether you 109 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: want that advice or not, I'll give it to you, 110 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: but I will not turn my back on you, because 111 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: that is not how you lead. That is not how 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: you lead when you are a brown woman. And I 113 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: got so furious with Sage because when I used to 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: watch her before I even started working there, I would 115 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: see her. I saw her at any BJ one. She 116 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: doesn't even remember this, and I thought, what a beautiful 117 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: black woman. That's how I identified her. I didn't take 118 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: the time, my bad to say, hey, beautiful by racial 119 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: black woman. I knew she was mixed. But when we 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: see someone and but we I mean culturally, when we 121 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: see someone who who looks like us, who reminds us 122 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: of our auntie next door or our que cousin down 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: the street, we're gonna say, hey, representation. I like it, 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: And The reason why people are reacting the way that 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: they are reacting to her, namely black people, is because 126 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: we're a protective of our own Sage was ours in 127 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: our community. Yes, she is black and white. I'm not 128 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: disregarding her white mother or her white heritage. None of 129 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: that is being disregarded. But when we see somebody who 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: looks familiar, we feel proud, we feel good, we feel 131 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: like we're doing it. If she can do it, I 132 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: can do it. I know for a fact there were 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: brown girls who looked up to her who said that, 134 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: and when she decided to say she wouldn't mentor young 135 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: girls because of the way they were dressed, and we 136 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: didn't get into the color of it. But if they 137 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: are brown, you really are in trouble. I find that 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: disappointing and it's disturbing. I'm also mad at myself for 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: saying something, because usually I keep to myself. I look 140 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: the other way, and I said what I said, which 141 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: is the name of one of my one of my outlets. 142 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: I said what I said, and I got to own 143 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: it because there's something about this code of honor where 144 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about your colleagues. But I 145 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: couldn't let that right. I couldn't let this device of 146 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: language ride. I am pro black because I am black. 147 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: I want to see us when but that doesn't mean 148 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: I can't be down with white people. That doesn't mean 149 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't like white women. That doesn't mean I don't 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: like white men. That doesn't mean I don't date white men. 151 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm like racist people. Imagine that Twitter 152 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: is not a real place, though I will remind you 153 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: of that. However, I did get some feedback, and you know, 154 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: it's the same divisive rhetoric no one wants to hear. 155 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: And then so I find myself doing this podcast and 156 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: I was excited about my guest. Celebrity style is Carlo Welsh. 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: When I tell you, this woman, outside of being the 158 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: best stylist in the business, let's just we'll get to that, Carla, 159 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: because you're amazing. Well, let's talk about her heart. Let's 160 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that she wants to do right, 161 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: the fact that her moral umpus only points towards doing 162 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: something good with her platform. Yes, you can make me 163 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: look good, but she's still doing something good. I often 164 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: think to myself, because I know it's difficult to have 165 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: a voice to lead, to share how you feel. It's difficult. 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: It probably was difficult for Stage, and I'm sure she 167 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: thinks she's leading. It is difficult, especially if you're a woman. 168 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: But no that I could not rest with myself if 169 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: I didn't say something, if I didn't say that's not okay. 170 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: That's the reason why I'm a journalist. As a kid, 171 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: I used to point out, right, that's wrong, that's not right. 172 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that. That's a hallmark of a journalist 173 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: wanting someone to tell their story so things can be 174 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: heard and done and changed, and you can live a 175 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: life in which you know you're trying to see and 176 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: represent people fairly, fairly and being naturally curious. And I 177 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: was curious about Carla because I thought to myself, Wow, 178 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: this woman. I love what she does as a professional, 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: but she really truly is putting it all out there, 180 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: and she didn't have to. White women who don't have 181 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: to speak up for other people, other cultures, of the races, 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: other parts of the world, and they do that to 183 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: me is a win because you can easily, especially when 184 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: you're quote unquote privilege, live in your bubble and pretend 185 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: like you don't know what's going on. You can throw 186 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: money at the problem, but you don't roll your sleeves 187 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: up and get involved in the problem. And Carla does that. 188 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: She's not an activist and she'll tell you that, but 189 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: she's activated. That's my favorite way to describe her. She's activated. 190 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: And to me, this is a perfect example of nuance. 191 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Nuance is something that has been left behind because social 192 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: media wants everything to be black and white. I can 193 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: come out against someone like Sage still and then turn 194 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: around and promote someone like Carla because I'm looking at 195 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: souls and I'm looking at good hearts, and Carla has 196 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: a good heart and a good soul. Nobody's perfect, but 197 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: she has that, trust me in abundance. Carla dresses everyone. Yeah, 198 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: justin Bieber, his wife, Hayley. You've seen her dress Tracy 199 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Ellis Ross. She has dressed the likes of everyone. And 200 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: more importantly, Carla, to me, is an example of someone 201 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: who on the outside, you may see what she does 202 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: for a living and think, oh, well, she lives a 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,239 Speaker 1: glamorous life and she just dresses movie stars and fabulous 204 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: people and and this, that and the third, But there 205 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: is so much more to what she does for a 206 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: living and that is the key here in the world 207 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: we live in today, in this devisive world we live in, 208 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to be famous, you don't have to 209 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: be rich. You just have to do simple and small 210 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: acts of kindness. I was asking her, where'd you get 211 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: this from? Like, you know, when we were taping, where'd 212 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: you get this from? Why are you this way? And 213 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: she tells this amazing story which we are going to 214 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: share in a second. But then after we did this podcast, 215 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: she sent me a text and she goes, you know, 216 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, and ultimately, I just don't 217 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: think it should be a big deal to care about people, 218 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: stand up for people. I'm no hero to me. That 219 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: is the bare minimum. M hmm. This woman has done 220 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: amazing thing. She's an entrepreneur, she's a mother, she's a wife, 221 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: and she makes people happy when she dresses them, she 222 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: makes them look good. All the while she's taking her 223 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: skill set and using it to do good as well 224 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: outside of her industry. Right, and that beautiful woof. I go, Carla, 225 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: how do you get like this? How you do this? 226 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: Where do you come from? What all this goodness in 227 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: your heart? And she tells a story that will blow 228 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: your mind. Take a listen. I mean, this is like 229 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: an insane story that I've never told anybody. But when 230 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: you asked me, your team asked, and you know, I've 231 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,239 Speaker 1: obviously listened to your podcast watched and I was like, oh, 232 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: you know what has made me me? And I it 233 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: kind of like went really back to like and this 234 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: is fucking wild. And I've only really in hindsight realized 235 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: what a wild story this is because it also is 236 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: like a bit of a dodged the bullet, but not really. 237 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: So I went and grew up in going to Catholic school, 238 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: and I wasn't a good student. It wasn't that wasn't 239 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: a good student. I just didn't give a funk about school, 240 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: to be honest, like zero Fox, I have a really 241 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: smart sister, and I was just like the baby and 242 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: just kind of like whatever. And anyways, I was in 243 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: grade five and I had a teacher who like it 244 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: was like where you had your first teacher you loved, 245 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: Like You're like, wow, I am a teacher's pet. I 246 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: am going to just do so well in this Her 247 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: name was just fucking loved her. In grade five at 248 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: my school was the year you got to go away 249 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: to camp and all the older kids were like, oh, 250 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: you should watch out for this camp counsel to our class, 251 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: like there's something wrong with him. You can only imagine 252 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: where this is going. Given it to school. We go 253 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: to this camp and I'm not joking. This man is 254 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: trying to like wash the boys as doing stuff that 255 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: is incredibly it's he's a child, he's a pedophile, for 256 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: rasake grows. And I don't know where it came in, 257 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: where I maybe had the courage or whatever, but I 258 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: was like, no, we have to say something. And we 259 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: brought the teacher, who I loved, all of us into 260 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: the class into kind of the woods and like this 261 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: guy was like pulling out shirts and trying to get 262 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: in bed with the boys and like grabbing like fucking wild, 263 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: right and like and I said to the teacher like 264 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: he's a pervert. That was the only word I could 265 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: come up with. I'm ten years old, you know what 266 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I'm not, you know, ten years old 267 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: at the time. And she and I happened to be 268 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: the one who said it, of course why it was me, 269 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: but it was me. And she turned and she's like, 270 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: you're all as signed bunch of liars. And this is 271 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: my favorite teacher who didn't, who was like this was crazy. 272 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: She said, you guys were a bunch of liars. Oh 273 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: my god, I can still feel it. And we got 274 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: taken back and the fucking nun came and singled me 275 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: in one other I can't remember the other girl who 276 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: was with and we weren't allowed to go swimming for 277 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the trip, and I had to sit 278 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: in the room and do the rosary, which, um, you're 279 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: not a rosary? Is like, yeah, first of all, I 280 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: didn't do the rosary. I sat there pistes back. I 281 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: was just like, this is crazy, even like as eleven 282 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: year old, I was like, this is kind of wild. 283 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: And then you just kind of and I remember the 284 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: It was the principal of the school, sister Petronella, who 285 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: died of Alzheimer's, so she didn't even get to like 286 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: like realize what she did to like a kid, and 287 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I remember being quite mad at and 288 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: just being like kind of crushed by it all. But 289 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: it gets worse, The story gets worse. So then we 290 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: go home and everything else at the end of the 291 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: school year, and my parents get a call from the 292 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: school saying your daughter's promiscuous. I mean at ten years old. 293 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Wait a second, a second, you said he's a pervert. 294 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: Your favorite teacher goes you guys are liars, you specifically, 295 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: or everyone's a liar, everybody but me specifically. So I 296 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: got like because I was the one who delivered the 297 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: news and rallied troops and uh. And then it's instead 298 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: of like, it's just like amazing to look at power 299 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: structure and this is why I am who I am 300 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: because I look at a power structure and I think 301 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: you you guys control everything and you're doing everything you 302 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: can for yourselves. Right. And we went back and I 303 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: remyor being so humiliated to the point where I honestly 304 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: clammed up and I don't even think I told my 305 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: because like I couldn't even and I, to be honest, 306 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: don't even know what my parents did at this point 307 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: because it was just kind of like chaos. But I 308 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: remember thinking at that point, thank you part of my language. Everybody, 309 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm please, So do I remember like just thinking I'm 310 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: You're never gonna like I remember just that feeling and 311 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: how I completely maybe shut down at that point and 312 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: really but at the same time, I think that just 313 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: like lit me on fire. I was like, you're never 314 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: going to accuse me of something I didn't do, and 315 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: that's what and it just turned wild. And years later, 316 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: like twenty years later, that teacher called my house looking 317 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: for me at my parents house and my dad's like, 318 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: Carla doesn't live here, and she's like, this is I 319 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: just wanted to call and apologize to Carla, and can 320 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I talk to Gay? Gay's my mom my mom's name, 321 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: And my dad was like, no, I don't think neither 322 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: of them need to talk to you, and like that's 323 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: one of the best things my dad's ever done. And 324 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: my dad's done so many amazing things, but he like 325 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I was just like no, no, lady, because he knew 326 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: the story. He knew you weren't lying, he knew your 327 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: mom tried to fight for you. And she wants to 328 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: what did your mom say when they said that about you, 329 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: when they said you were promiscuous? I don't really remember, 330 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: Like I think my mom probably just went a little 331 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: chaotic and was like, what are you talking about? And 332 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: they kind of tried to paint you as a ringleader, 333 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: and that's what a power structure does, right. They're like 334 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: let's kick on the one and totally try to cover 335 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: up all this nonsense. And it did come out years later, 336 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: and the obviously we're talking about the Catholic turch here, 337 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: but it was just that that crazy abuse of power, 338 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: and I think at that age I weirdly recognized it. 339 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: I was like, but it really step me on a 340 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: bit of a course. To be completely honest, like I 341 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: didn't excel at school after that, I didn't do anything. 342 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: But I remember just kind of always coming back to 343 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: it and thinking, Wow, that was really kind of sucked up. 344 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: And I feel it to this day, almost to a 345 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: point where I maybe need to let it go a 346 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: bit because like if you, like, say, Carl, you did 347 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: that and I didn't do it, I might go like off, 348 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: like totally that's something that will trigger me. But I 349 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: remember even after me was somebody like, oh, you gotta 350 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder? Why are you always like that? 351 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: But I could feel like the underdog my whole life, 352 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: And I'm not an underdog by any means. I'm I 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: mean maybe when I was younger, I was just kind 354 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: of like, like, not a weird I wasn't a weird kid, 355 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: but I was just like, again, not into school, not 356 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: into I liked sports. I wasn't like good at them, 357 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're kind of just like 358 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: cruising through school. But I was like always like I'm 359 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: never not going to help the underdog or being like 360 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But so maybe that's 361 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: where it comes from in a way, like where I 362 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: just like and I think I was born with a 363 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: lot of empathy, to be honest, like I know, and 364 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: my mom really gave me. My mom has a ton 365 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: of empathy, but she just always was like, no, you 366 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: gotta stand up for what's right, no matter the cost. 367 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: But that whole situation I think really impacted it. And 368 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: it is, but it is the knowledge of like a 369 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: power structure and abuse. Our doing what's right is a 370 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: blessing and a curse. A blessing in the sense that 371 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: you immediately, no inherently, when someone is doing something wrong, 372 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: you will be there to defend, to protect if it 373 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: hits your spirit a certain way. So I can relate 374 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: to Carla in that way. As a journalist, um that 375 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: is usually the hallmark of a journalist naturally curious and 376 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: wanting to make sure something is done in the world 377 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: that we live in make meaning, let's do it right, 378 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: let's be right, don't be wrong, point out what's wrong, 379 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: change the world. However, when when do you stop? Do 380 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: you stop at all? I asked Carla about motherhood, because, 381 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: as you all know, on this podcast, I talk about 382 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: wanting babies. I still do want children. I don't think 383 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing for me. That's still an option. 384 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. And she answers very 385 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: candidly about being someone who has this very robust career 386 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: and this spirit to do what is right right because 387 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: there's an intersection, and then also being a mother and 388 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: a wife, I mean grief, the responsibility of it all. 389 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Motherhood is very very hard for me, like and you 390 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: know also too, and we're I have so many clients 391 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: who I love, and I give so much of myself 392 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: to my clients that sometimes I've run out of stuff 393 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: to give to the people who I really need to 394 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: give it to. You know. That's that's the worst. And 395 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I have real self realization, like there's no I don't 396 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: really hold any sort of like shiny like I I 397 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: know where my flaws are and I know where your 398 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: faults are, and that's that's always tough to swallow too, 399 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's like, how do you a 400 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: the energy too? And and by the way, like I 401 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: think too, if you're a kid who didn't grow up 402 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: with money, you work from like like I had a 403 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: friend say to me, quit working like you for I 404 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: don't know where that balance is and but I'm just 405 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: try to find it at the end of this year. 406 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: Carla by way of background, which I forgot to tell you, kids, 407 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: and it's Canadian. That is also another reason why I 408 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: enjoy her. I feel like everyone I know from Canada 409 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: is so kind and so sweet. Minus those people at 410 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: her Catholic school. We won't talk about them. Those adults 411 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: there were not nice. But her parents are amazing. Um 412 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: and who she has become is amazing, And I'm sure 413 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: she's a great mother, Like I am absolutely positive about that. 414 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting being a Canadian she 415 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: said she wanted citizenship here. I was like, this this country. 416 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: Have you seen what we're doing here? Uh, what's going on? 417 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: Why do you want that? And she explains to me 418 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: some of the obviously practical reasons. But while she doesn't 419 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: consider herself an activist, I do believe that the fact 420 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: that she wanted to vote here, right, that was one 421 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: of her main reasons to vote here in the United 422 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: States of America tells me a lot about her activation. 423 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: That's my word for it. I want a global entry 424 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be able to vote because I 425 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: can participate in so many ways in amplifying and using 426 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: my platform and being a huge voice because and and 427 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: also you know, part of like when I started this 428 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: is what styling has also really afforded me, which is amazing, 429 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: was that I had got an opportunity to all these 430 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: um branding things and collaborations, and when I started doing those, 431 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: that's when I was like, I want to choose a 432 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: little bit different. So when I did this thing with 433 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Levi's Levi has committed a million dollars to gun safety 434 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: and I got all I got like twenty amazing women 435 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: to be in their campaign and Yoko owner gave us 436 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: a song and we did it because they did it 437 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: all for free, because they knew Levis was gonna do this, 438 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: and we gave like a ton of money and all 439 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: the money went to every town at the time. UM. 440 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: And so then I realized, like, oh, I'm never going 441 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: to be like an activist, like you know, a Patrese, 442 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: like someone who is so on the ground. But what 443 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: I can do is raise money to get to those people. 444 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: So and even like I ran the New York City 445 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: Marathon was Adidas a few years ago and I gave 446 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: and this was pret like this last season. I mean 447 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: it was like four years ago. So we give half 448 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: the money to Black Lives Matter at l A, and 449 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: we give half the money to Plan Parenthood. And so 450 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: I just realized every time I could do something and 451 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm honestly nobody, I'm just a fucking stylist. But I 452 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: was like, if I could ask brands to to say, okay, 453 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: pay me, but then do this, that's where I can 454 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: actually have total impact. So I wanted to take the 455 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: chempboard like I was doing all this stuff, and I 456 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: wanted to be able to go when we come back. 457 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: We talked to Carla about leading. When you lead, it 458 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: is lonely. I remember I was told and she said 459 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: something very similar to this, Um, you cannot shatter glass 460 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: ceilings with out cuts and bruises. You're gonna get some 461 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: cuts and bruises. I've said that on here before. When 462 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: we come back, we talked to Carla, Chappion and carry 463 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Chappion is to be a champion, A champion and carry 464 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Chappion and carry Chappion A chappion and carry Chappi and 465 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: and carry Chappi right afraidness and sports, and then the 466 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: same make and naked work. Every Chappion and carry Chappi 467 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: is to be a Chappion, a champion. They carry Chappi 468 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: and they chap champion, They carry Chappion and carry Chappies sports, 469 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and then the tame ak and naked work. Hey, everybody, 470 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: welcome back. Carla is still here. I am still naked. 471 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm still hoping she will address me. I don't know 472 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: if that's going to happen. Maybe she will just as 473 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: shirt and pants. Maybe take a listen to Carlo Welsh. 474 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned to you before, um that Carla is a 475 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: celebrity stylist, but um, I never really got into the 476 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: fact that, in my opinion, she is the best that 477 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: there is in the business. Voted that numerous times over 478 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: and over again. Um. And in her world she often says, well, 479 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: look all I do is I just saw famous people. 480 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. You don't want to 481 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: make your job feel like you know you're you are 482 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon and you're saving lives daily. But I do 483 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: believe in the world that we live in, everything that 484 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: someone does, whatever their profession is, whatever your profession is, 485 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: there is something important to that. Otherwise it would not 486 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: be a profession. It is that you are providing a 487 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: need and a service. As Carla spoke of earlier, she's 488 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: providing a need in a service. But what she has 489 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: done in providing this need in this service, as I 490 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: hope that you do. I do, we all do we 491 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: make sure that no one has left out. It is 492 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: a very inclusive world that we need to live in, 493 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: and oftentimes people forget that's exactly what we should be doing, 494 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: whatever our profession is, especially if you're a woman, especially 495 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: if you're a woman of color, you better make sure 496 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: that what you're doing has some level of not exclusivity, right, 497 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: because she works with famous people, but being inclusive, and 498 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: she talks about that in a way in which I 499 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: find fascinating. In this this very world of being beautiful 500 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: all the time and looking at perfect way and being 501 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: a perfect size arltt Bucks system, and she leads I 502 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: will say, I was like, first style is to really 503 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: ever put a girl in a tex So. I did 504 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: a live a year like twelve years ago, and I 505 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: always do it. But that's me copying myself. So you 506 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: see that a bit. But I don't really like think 507 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: a lot like that, and I have worked very hard, 508 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: like I'm really like competitive, but competitive in away like 509 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: I want to do my best, like when I I 510 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: used to run marathons and do triathlons and I like 511 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: always wanted to win them, and like I will run 512 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: so fast and I'm gonna be whoever I'm running with 513 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: in that way. But I try not to feel too 514 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: competitive about work because I think it's just like we'll 515 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: kill you. And I feel like I have really created 516 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: my own lane for myself, like I work with people 517 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: that no one else really work with. Then I do 518 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: my own thing, and I've done my own stuff so 519 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: I can be a little more chill about it. Someone 520 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: wants to do things that are similar to me to 521 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: go work. People don't even understand like what you know 522 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: and even like when you have them employees, right, and 523 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: I remember seeing this great thing. It's like if you're 524 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: gonna lead, leading is very lonely, and you've made decisions 525 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: that are gonna benefits so many behind you, right because 526 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: you put your neck out there and you did them, 527 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: but at the cost to you that it's very lonely 528 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: and it's very hard. And I think about that, like 529 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: I think of like decisions I've made and what it's 530 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: cost me and the hurt that you kind of take 531 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: because of it. But then I probably have like a 532 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: pretty hard shell about because I'm just not gonna let 533 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: it take me down. And you know, I worked with 534 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: this woman who, like you know, cannot you know, just 535 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: a private client. But she's like, you know, if you're 536 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna shatter some ceilings, you're gonna get cuts it. That's 537 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: it shattering ceilings here. But like just the work I 538 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: I do and the choices I've made in my life, 539 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: it's like, you've gotta gotta have thick skin. You're gonna 540 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: be the boss, you really have to have six skin. 541 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because Carla says, you know, she's just a stylist, 542 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: and I'm laughing in a way in which it's not 543 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: like at her or even with her, I'm like, please, 544 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: just a stylist. There are so many times in my 545 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: career where I could have said I can't speak on 546 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: that because it's probably gonna cost me a job, or 547 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna I'm probably gonna lose favor with people 548 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: who can quote unquote help my career. Um. And it 549 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: took a long time for me to just be at 550 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: peace with that. I even to this day, I I 551 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: even as I say this to you, now I'm in 552 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: the middle of a huge negotiation, and I'm like, did 553 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: I say too much about this? Did I? Did I 554 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: tweet too much about that? I promise you it is 555 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: not easy using your voice. So when you hear someone 556 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: like myself or Carla using their voice, using their platform 557 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: and whatever small, tiny, tiny pinch of a way to 558 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: help change and to help bring awareness, understand that it 559 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: is a tough choice, a choice that needs to be 560 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily thought over or I thought about rather over 561 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: and over again. But it is a choice that we 562 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: are making deliberately knowing it could cost us something. But 563 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it can't cost us 564 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: our soul, our spirit, the reason why we know we've 565 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: been put here on this here planet of Finkarla talked 566 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: about being political and what that looks like in her world. 567 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: And you know, when I look back at my career, 568 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: and maybe ten years ago when I was starting to 569 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: work with you know a lot of girls who weren't 570 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: sample size, or we're on TV as opposed to the movies, 571 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and and maybe sometimes you think, oh, I want a 572 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: movie start. But then I was like, no, look at 573 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the merit. You know all these women that maybe we're 574 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: are over we're overlooked by the fashion industry and this 575 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: and that. I remember calling Michael Cores and saying, and 576 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: this was maybe it's at least a decade to go, like, 577 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: you need to actually make me a sample in her size. 578 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: Please for the Emmy. She's an y Emmy nominated actress, 579 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: she will probably win. Can you please make something that 580 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: is going to fit? And I really think I used 581 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: the top end of my celebrity career to really kind 582 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: of push the envelope on size inclusivity. You know, even 583 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: like Corse, you look at celebrities and you're still like, oh, 584 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: there's still like great bodies and thin, but like, my 585 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: girls never fit that mold. They never fit that mold. 586 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: And so I'm proud of that, and I'm proud of that. 587 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, I said yes to so many women, and 588 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: but then what happens amazingly, is this like talk about 589 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: being naked because you're naked when you come to me. Yeah, 590 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: you have a little stream of fine, yeah no, but 591 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: you gotta come in just like here's like so there's 592 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: this crazy and this amazing not crazy intimate space that 593 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: has been created and this community because like I have 594 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: like rules, I like a an issue is never an issue. 595 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: There's no issue we can't work around when you're thinking 596 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: about your body. And I know I'm there as support 597 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: as to help you be the best you can be 598 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and feel the best you can be when you go 599 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: and be forward facing, like I look at our work 600 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: is like you're a fashion armor. And also to feel amazing, 601 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: like generally when someone's doing pressed there you know at 602 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: the end of promoting a project that they put in 603 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: so much energy too, So it's like I feel very 604 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: rewarded by like this kind of close community of really 605 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of amazing women and a couple of guys. But 606 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: let's just books on girls that I work with, like 607 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: and you know, we've all had a great awakening to 608 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: like what this the planet and the political system and everything, 609 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: and so to have like minded clients and and different 610 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: opinions too is so ind of rewarding and that just 611 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there are a million people who 612 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: at a time were like, I don't want to work 613 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: with her, she's too political. So the other day I 614 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to interview E forty. Stay with me 615 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: because this will all come back to what I'm trying 616 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: to talk to Carla about. UM. And he has these 617 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: great sayings, and one of them is, I started with 618 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: a pinch your fear, E forty fan, you know, a pinch. 619 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: I started out with very little. I can relate to that. 620 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: I started out with nothing. And when people literally are 621 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: self made, when you come from living check to check 622 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: as a child, UM, remembering when you didn't have in 623 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: my case, more specifically, when my mother didn't have money 624 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: to go to the grocery market and we had to 625 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: ask family members for for grocery money. Two, the lifestyle 626 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: that I lived today, which is nothing but the grace 627 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: of God. And I'm grateful. But you work so hard, 628 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: you stay working hard because all you remember is you 629 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: started with a pinch. Shout out to you, forty. No. 630 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: I'm having this conversation with Carla and I she's doing 631 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: well for herself. Congratulations self made you deserve it. But 632 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: I asked if she had any regrets, And I hate 633 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: that question when people ask me if you have any regrets? 634 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: I hate it. So I'm gonna I'm gonna take that 635 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: out of my book of questions. But the reason why 636 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: I ask is because women who are so women specifically 637 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: women who are successful, who work hard, who have families, 638 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: there's always some part where we're saying we didn't do 639 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: right or we wish we'd do this over and over again. 640 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: That's why I asked the question, and it reminds me 641 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: of the mentality of still working. Like I'm poor, Carla 642 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: gets into it. I am thrilled with the path I 643 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: have taken. I would probably um, I would work a 644 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: little less or it worked, just like I would have 645 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: made choices that we're a little smarter, Like did I 646 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: need to do that job? No? I did not. But again, 647 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: like it was like working from a point of survival 648 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: because also too, like I was happening, I started really 649 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: taking off, like when eleven happened, and you know, it 650 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: was a global collapse, and at the time my husband 651 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: had been you know, it's a majority breadwinner, and then 652 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: his industry completely fell out and so it was like, 653 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: as a woman, you know, we had to work four 654 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: times as much to make the same amount. So it 655 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: was like I went into overdrive. So you know, to 656 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: do over a question for me, I'm just always like, 657 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't even want to spend that much time on that, 658 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: because how do you do it? Over said, it's a wrap. 659 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: You wouldn't. I wouldn't. It's a wrap. You know. I 660 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: won't ever not stick up for someone because of it. 661 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: Because of it, that was it. I love me some. 662 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: I let me some, Carly, y'all, I really do. At 663 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I just love good people 664 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: whose hearts are here and they stay authentic and they win. 665 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: What a great recipe, What a great way to live 666 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: our lives like good people winning, good people winning and 667 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: giving back. Good people trying to change the world in 668 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: whatever way they can. And it doesn't have to be 669 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: massive or huge. It could just be small acts of kindness, 670 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: which is coming on my podcast. Thank you, Carla. You 671 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: are a true inspiration. You really are. I hope you 672 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: guys are inspired. Man. I'll keep you guys posted. I'm 673 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: about to gather my little ten pennies. She doesn't take 674 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: on a lot of new clients, y'all. But I'm gonna 675 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: just ask her to give me, like, just put me 676 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: in some cute shoes. You know what I'm gonna do. 677 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, hey, Carla, put me in one outfit. 678 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm aware once a week because then I can be like, 679 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: this is my Carla Welsh pick and y'all can be jealous, 680 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be cute and I'm a pose on 681 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: Instagram and twenty different poses to me, like take this, 682 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: take that, Take this, Take that, I got a new look, 683 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: Take this, take that diddy voice. Okay, kids, we did it. Carla, 684 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: Well shall naked. I'm about to get dressed. Have a 685 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: good one. Talk to y'all next week.