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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stefan Never Told You production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: A big spoiler warning for this book Club episode, everything

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Speaker 2: will be spoiled dage. So today we are talking about

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Speaker 2: Rita Indiana's Tentacle, which was first published in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: The edition I read was published in twenty eighteen, which

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Speaker 2: was translated into English by Achi Obeya. It is an

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Speaker 2: experimental dystopian science fiction, climate disaster, time travel book that

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Speaker 2: deals with themes of gender, queerness, race, class, art, class again, environmentalism,

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Speaker 2: and yes, time travel.

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Speaker 1: I will say, when I was trying to find the

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Speaker 1: book on Audible, which is not available there yet, I

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Speaker 1: got some interesting results.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, so the original Spanish name I am not going

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Speaker 2: to try to say because I'll butcher it, but and

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Speaker 2: I apologize in advance for what I'm gonna do my

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Speaker 2: best to pronounce, but a very different name that they

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Speaker 2: went with Tentacle because I believe it was actually translated

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Speaker 2: into German first and then English. And the author was like,

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Speaker 2: I just loved Tentacle. It's got like an icky, like

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Speaker 2: it's got this.

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Speaker 1: Like they're not wrong, definitely. I was like okay. And

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Speaker 1: then when I was because I put the S on

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Speaker 1: it at the beginning, I think that was tentacle's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of forget that there's a whole world of

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Speaker 1: because my partner would laugh because I think that I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what I was looking for, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna find tentacle porn. I was like, what is this?

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Speaker 1: What is this? So yeah, but it's not like that necessarily,

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Speaker 1: like not to that level. And if that's your thing,

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Speaker 1: no judgment. I was just very surprised by it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, it reminds me of my mishap when I

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Speaker 2: was on that show that was hosted by two like

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Speaker 2: teenage girls and they ask you for the book recommendation,

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Speaker 2: and I recommended The Lilith Octavia Butler and it has

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Speaker 2: tentacol stuff and it.

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Speaker 3: I just start of forgot. I feel don't read that

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Speaker 3: em like, oh no, I'm so starty. Wait until you're older,

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Speaker 3: then read it.

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Speaker 1: Tive yourself for it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So what I'll say about this is like it's a

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Speaker 2: short book, but it hits you fast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like fast and.

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Speaker 1: A lot a lot there's a I had to go

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Speaker 1: back and forth a few times because I was like,

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Speaker 1: wait what, because I was it takes you a minute

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Speaker 1: to realize how the plot, how the book is plotting. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like going so you have to go like, oh, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: because you know when you will go into a new thing,

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Speaker 1: not realizing is it gonna be flashbacks? Is it gonna

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Speaker 1: be this, It's gonna be that, It's gonna be that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, because the time travel works in a really

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Speaker 2: interesting way in this where it's sort of like strange

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Speaker 2: daydreams you're having that you don't necessarily have a choice

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Speaker 2: in having, but you can kind of like see.

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Speaker 1: Them, yes, and experience them. Yes, I will say creativity

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Speaker 1: that because that was new.

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Speaker 2: That was a travel It was very yes, very interesting.

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Speaker 2: I got I had to look up. I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: Right O.

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Speaker 1: Wait did I not read this name before? This is

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Speaker 1: a not unusual name. So let me go back here.

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Speaker 3: Wait there are pirates. Okay, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Right here, we're talking about buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it's all related. It's all related.

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Speaker 2: That being said, content warning, offensive language, some of the

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Speaker 2: same like because it is a translated version, it's also

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Speaker 2: from like just different culture.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not entirely sure, but offensive.

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Speaker 2: Language, sexual assault, death, abuse, homophobia, drug use, climate change,

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Speaker 3: Death of dog.

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Speaker 1: I was very upset.

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Speaker 1: I had to like skip through a little bit, very upset.

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Speaker 3: I knew you would be. Billy, poor Billy. Oh that

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Speaker 1: Quick.

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Speaker 2: About the author, Indiana is a Dominican music composer, member

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Speaker 2: and author. Tentacle was the first Spanish language book to

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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. About the translator, Obehas is a Cuban

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through the plot here. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: discerned that yet. It opens in the Dominican Republic in

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Speaker 2: the year twenty thirty seven, when the world's oceans have

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Speaker 2: the actions of President Sayid Bona, who accepted these biological

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Speaker 2: Follow sex worker Acilde Figurora, who dresses as a young

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Speaker 2: sex change without surgery, which, by the way, the pronouns change,

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Speaker 2: so she at this point to that end, she starts

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Speaker 2: working as a maid for Esther Escadero. Esther is a

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Speaker 2: member of a cult that worships an aneinemy whose tentacles

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Speaker 2: grant time traveling powers. So Esther believes that a seal

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Speaker 2: Day is like chosen One and agrees to pass on

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Speaker 2: her abilities to her. A sill Day transitions and then

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Speaker 2: other things. He falls in love with a woman named Linda,

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Speaker 2: fifteenth century is a praise, Giorgio meets the future president,

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Speaker 2: largely to blame for what happened to the oceans. He

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Speaker 2: debates talking to him about it, which is what the

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Speaker 2: that's how it ends, so basically gives up the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'm happy here right now, so no need.

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Speaker 1: The abrupt ending, like you it is so abrupt, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The next page is like thank you. Oh well, so.

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Speaker 4: A setup to do because it was like thanks reader, Okay, no, yeah, no, it.

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Speaker 2: Was not so themes one of the big ones obviously

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Speaker 2: and it's just really created this dystopian environment where things

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Speaker 2: desperation of someone who does not yet know a marvelous

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Speaker 2: Georgio can see these times. He's always kind of like

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Speaker 2: saw scenery, Linda Goldman saw desolation. Where others heard relaxing,

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Speaker 2: Where others saw a gift from God given for the

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Speaker 2: patient's body. She knew she could save it, although she

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Speaker 2: So Linda's the one that's trying to really trying to

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Speaker 2: to make money to build this lab. Here's another quote.

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Speaker 1: Well, like the beginning with the anemony, the prophecy had

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Speaker 1: So there's because of that, but that level of like

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Speaker 1: the beginning technology of it all was like what's happening.

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Speaker 1: they just killed someone, Okay, they poison someone on the

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Speaker 1: and then like going back in time to see like

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. Yeah, but yes, sea creature is very important.

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Speaker 1: I think that's obvious, and I think that's an obvious

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Another theme is time travel. So here's a quote,

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Speaker 2: according to the letter Black Cubans called a certain marine

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Speaker 2: creature olo kun it could travel back in time. Dude,

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Speaker 2: very Lovecraftian, like this myth why I won't say myth,

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Speaker 2: like you said to me, it's very creative in in

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Speaker 1: Like there's new ways to do it, and they found

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