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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Hulet's go, Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Giants.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Out of the Giants bubble, give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast network. Let's roll he coach, Kafka,

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Speaker 1: How we doing, buddy?

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Speaker 3: How are we doing? Man? Good to see it.

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Speaker 1: We'll shaken. Oh, nothing much? Well, uh man, It's been

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Speaker 1: an exciting offseason for you. And you know, as an

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Speaker 1: office coordinator usually you like continuity in the quarterback room.

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Speaker 1: And for the first time, probably ever in your coach career,

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Speaker 1: you've got three new quarterbacks. Three out of the four

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Speaker 1: new quarterbacks. What kind of challenges does that present?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a cool opportunity. Number one, having you know,

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Speaker 4: really three guys in the room with a lot of

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Speaker 4: great experience, had a great playing experience. You know, Russ

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Speaker 4: and Jamis both have double digit you know, NFL careers

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Speaker 4: and double digit of NFL starts games. I mean, de

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Speaker 4: Vedo coming in playing a lot as a rookie. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of really good experiences. So I see this

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Speaker 4: as a really cool room. It's probably the most it's

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Speaker 4: feedback and kind of you know, how they play the game,

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Speaker 1: So when you have a couple veteran guys like Russ

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Speaker 1: forth input from them as well already, or do you

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Speaker 1: kind of let's lay the groundwork here and then as

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of both. You know, I

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Speaker 4: It's just about kind of getting our terminology down. This

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Speaker 4: We have a you know, a commonality there in terms

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Speaker 1: And once it been like with Jackson Dart now coming

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where you know, the experienced quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: So throwing the balls one part of it. Now we

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Speaker 1: this time last year, when when we were riding around

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Speaker 4: That's what the off season's for. And in training camp

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Speaker 4: I think he's again he had a really productive rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that they're all asking, you know, they

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Speaker 1: they ask to do more within the offense, not just

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Speaker 4: I think when you had a season like Malik had,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Nick can open it up for them exactly.

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Speaker 1: I want to take Bleak out right now.

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Speaker 4: You got to do it exactly, and you know, you

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Speaker 4: And so that's what our job as coaches is to

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about defending the whole field, but I

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Speaker 1: How do you get better in OTAs and in training

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've emphasized it as a as a team. We

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Speaker 4: everything happened. Everything happens faster in the red zone and

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Speaker 3: To close faster.

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Speaker 4: So everyone's urgency, everyone's level of detail has to ramp up.

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Speaker 4: But that's what you know, that's what we work practice

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Speaker 4: training camp, like just those details about it, and we

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Speaker 4: know that it might not be exactly the way it

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Speaker 4: is because defense has changed so much and they're so

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Speaker 4: there's so multiple when you get to the low red,

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Speaker 4: whether it's all out zone, all out blitz, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's all different kinds of defensive structures they can put

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Speaker 1: And this year you got all five offensive lineman coming back.

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Speaker 4: where you can look the same guys in the huddle

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Speaker 4: each and every year. And again, I'm proud of how

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Speaker 4: our guys have responded that when someone went down, guys

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Speaker 4: of our ability to adapt and to continue to have

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Speaker 4: like a next man uptep mentality. But yeah, it's all

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Speaker 4: we certainly you know, don't wish injury on anybody. And

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Speaker 4: we'd love to have five role for the whole season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah sounds good, sounds like a plan.

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Speaker 1: I would love that.

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Speaker 3: W'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thanks Mike, Thank you, sair Man, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Good love to see them.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Johns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Doing right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had so much fun last year. Where figure

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Speaker 1: let's do it again? Huh I hear you, well listen,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Hear two?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: How is how's the second year different than last year?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: In this phase, I.

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Speaker 5: Think just the familiarity, right, Like the guys kind of

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Speaker 5: being with them a year now, terminology, all those little

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Speaker 5: things in year one you got to go through and

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Speaker 5: and really translate for him not having to spend as

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, like I think, just all

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Speaker 5: So really encouraged by where we're at with them right now. Again,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that relationship to with with the younger guys that

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Speaker 5: And I would say I think Newban's both those guys

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun.

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Speaker 5: Again, we got two really good edge guys with Burns

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Speaker 5: And again, just continuing to get him comfortable as we

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Speaker 3: He's a total pro.

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Speaker 5: The guys look to him, they listen to him, the

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Speaker 5: he's what you want to coach. Yeah, Like, he is

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Speaker 3: So it's been good.

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Speaker 1: I like it well, coach, appreciate the time. Always fun

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Speaker 1: riding around with you and enjoyed it. Man forward to

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thanks Shane, Thank you,