1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a beautiful young mom, 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: a Mississippi State representative end shot dead while she's simply 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: out working the lawn weed eating As a matter of fact, 4 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been solved yet, shot what I believe 5 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: to be execution style. Still no answers. Crime Stories with 6 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Does the name Ashley Henley ring a bell? 7 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: It will take a listen to this. It's a call. 8 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: Brandon Henley never thought he would get his beloved wife 9 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: and former Mississippi State Representative, Ashley Henley, found shot to 10 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: death on Sunday while doing yardwork in Yellow Busha County. 11 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: They called the police and they found her shot in 12 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: the back of the head in front of the weed 13 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: eater with their phone in her hand. Henley said his 14 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: wife was mowing grass outside this burned trailer. It's the 15 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: same property where his sister, Christina Jones was found dead 16 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: back in December. Investigators say Jones's death is under investigation, 17 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: but Henley believes his sister was murdered and believes the 18 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: same person may be responsible for killing his wife. We 19 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: weren't going away, and we were pushing for justice from 20 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: my sister to find out who killed her and see 21 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: that person brought to justice, brought to jail, and I 22 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: think that person knew what happened, who killed her. Grieving 23 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the death of now two family members, Henley said he's 24 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: continuing his fight for justice for his sister Christina and 25 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: now also his wife Ashley. It's so hard to take in. 26 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: This guy has lost not only his sister Christina, but 27 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: now his wife Ashley, who is leading a crusade into 28 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: the investigation of the sister in law Christina. Does anybody 29 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: on this panel want to try and tell me with 30 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: a straight face that two women alone at the time 31 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: and near the same age bracket, at the same property 32 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: die just a few months apart, and they're not connected 33 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: with a straight face. I don't think so. Guys. You 34 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: were just hearing our friends at thirteen Memphis, what happened 35 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: to Ashley? What happened to Christina? With me an all 36 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back 37 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: together again. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. 38 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick, PhD. And on 39 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Today with doctor Wendy kcb Q, San Diego, doctor Jerry 40 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Cross and police psychologist faculty Saint Leo University research consultant, 41 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: author of Operation Soos. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned forensic pathologist, 42 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: former medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, and 43 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: former police detective with Lexington County Sheriffs to boot. Karen L. Smith. 44 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: You know her well. She is a forensics expert, lecturer 45 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: and University Florida and creator of the Shattered Sould podcast. 46 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: But straight to Tom Deese, reporter twenty six years with 47 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Fox thirteen There in Memphis, three time Emmy Award winner. 48 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: You can find met Fox thirteen Memphis dot Com. You 49 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: don't just pick up Emmy awards for nothing. This guy's 50 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: done three times. You're on this case. You've been studying this. 51 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: Give me some answers, Tom des But I don't want 52 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: to put the cart before the horse. Let's start at 53 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: the beginning. Let's start with Ashley Henley, a young Mississippi 54 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: state representative, the mother of one boy, left without a 55 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: mom to help raise him, and wife. She's out weed 56 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: eating doing the lawn of sister in law Katrina Jones, 57 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: who was found dead just a few months before of 58 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: what seemed to be a house fire. Let's start with 59 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Ashley the state rep tell me about her death. What 60 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: do you know, Tom Des I know that she was 61 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: out that according to the family, she had gone to 62 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: the property to clean it up. It had been the 63 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: trailer had been set on fire six months before. I 64 00:04:54,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: was on December twenty six, Ashley was out in the yard. 65 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to describe that to you. Where it is 66 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: where that trailer sits in the middle of kind of 67 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: a trailer community, is kind of it looks to be 68 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of a weekend getaway area for some folks, and 69 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: some folks go there full time. There's about twenty roads 70 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: in that community, but there's only two ways well there's 71 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: only two ways in or one way in and one 72 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: way out, depends on how you look at it. It's 73 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of Yallabusha County on Enid Lake. Now 74 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: it's about what tom Days tom Days Fox Start Team Memphis. 75 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: One way in, one way out. If you're in a car, 76 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: if you're on foot, you can kind of filter in 77 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: anywhere you want. Isn't that right? Well, if you're in 78 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: a car, yes, it's one way in, one way out, 79 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: but you're twelve miles from the interstates. You're twelve miles 80 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: from Yallabusha County, I mean from anywhere else in the 81 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: county from Water Valley, And the only other way in 82 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I would guess would be if you came in by 83 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: boat on the lake. So I'm trying to get this 84 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: picture in my head. You know a lot of people 85 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: mock trailer parks. They think, I guess olo class people 86 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: lived there. Have you ever driven through those trailer parks 87 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: down in Florida near the beach Tom Dee's. I mean, 88 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: those lots go for thousands and thousands of dollars their 89 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: vacation their vacation getaways like you just described, and they're 90 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: they're actually pretty ritzy. Then there are trailer parks that 91 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: are not posh. But I don't like it very much 92 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: because my great grandmother lived in a trailer. She had 93 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: worked her whole life, bought a farm in cash with 94 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: money out of Mason jars, and when the house filled 95 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: up later in her life, she let her daughter have 96 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the house, my grandmother, and she pulled up a little 97 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: airstream by the house because she wanted to live in 98 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: her own place but not displace her daughter. So I 99 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: don't take very kindly to that. Now I'm taking I'm 100 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: understanding time be said. You're saying this was a weekend getaway, 101 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: So it sounds like the ritzy kind of trailer park 102 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: with twenty two zero roads. Is that what you said? 103 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Or rose two twenty two roads R O A D 104 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: S r WS R R O A DS gotcha, So 105 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: not that much. Twenty two roads, one entry exit if 106 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: you're in a vehicle, and about twelve miles outside of 107 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: outside of Memphis. Now about twelve miles. That's about an 108 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: hour and a half from Memphis, but it's about twelve 109 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: miles from Water Valley, Mississippi. It's population from about three thousand. 110 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: Oh that's important. Yeah, that's very important. And let me 111 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: go out to you to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author 112 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: of Red Flags. That's important because you just heard Tom 113 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: d say three thousand population, you don't expect a lot 114 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: of murders to go down, but in my book, we've 115 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: already got two and we're barely into the year of 116 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's true you 117 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: don't normally expect the high murder rate and that type 118 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: of a rural community. But think about this. This was 119 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: a young woman who was researching another murder at the 120 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: exact same location. So that is one of the things 121 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: I would look at right from the beginning is while 122 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: generally speaking statistically that probably wouldn't be true, I would say, here, 123 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,359 Speaker 1: location matters. I think you're so right, location, location, location, 124 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: not to be trying. Okay, tom Ds, you're the expert. 125 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: Fox start team Memphis back to where you were before 126 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: we so rudely interrupted. Go ahead. Oh, it's kind of 127 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: like you described it, and I'll go back to the 128 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: the trailer park. I lived in this railer park for 129 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: a while. I lived in a nice trailer park, and 130 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: I have a family that live in all the parks 131 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: in Florida. License think you described your family. This only 132 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: kind of runs again. Some of the lots very nice, 133 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: some of them not so much. But she was out 134 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: we eating the grass in the middle of the day 135 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you 136 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: just joining us, a lovely young mom, also a Mississippi 137 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: state representative, out basically cutting the grass with a weed eater, 138 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: and she's gunned down in my book, execution style, shot 139 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: to the back of the head. That's not right, nor 140 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: is it normal for water Valley, h population three thousand. 141 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: No Way, take a listen to our friends at Local 142 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: twenty four ABC, Memphis. Homer, Mississippi state representative, now dead 143 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: after she was killed outside the burn trailer her sister 144 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: in law was killed in nearly six months ago. The 145 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: Yellabusha County Sheriffs Department confirmed Ashley Henley of DeSoto County 146 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: was shot and killed in the Water Valley boat Landing 147 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: community last night. That's an hour and a half south 148 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: of Memphis. The sheriff says Henley was cutting the grass 149 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: outside a burn trailer. That trailer was where her sister 150 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: in law was found dead December twenty sixth of last year. 151 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: Her body has been sent to a corner that's where 152 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: an autopsy and her death is under investigation. Henley served 153 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: as a Mississippi State representative for DeSoto County from two 154 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen to two nineteen, when she lost by 155 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: fourteen votes to Hester Jackson McCrae. Back to you, Tom 156 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: deees joining us Fox thirteen, Memphis. Two things. It was 157 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: a boat community, so you could come up, buy boat 158 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: or go through the drive in if you're in a vehicle, 159 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: and it was in broad daylight. That's what That's what 160 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: the investigators are telling us. They found her body. It 161 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: was another neighbor that that I'm told her husband called 162 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: because Ashley hadn't returned home. Um, they called around later 163 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: that evening. They found her body at ten o'clock at night. 164 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: There was a lot of tall grass on the property. 165 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: From where I could see from standing outside the crime 166 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: scene tape, there was a wee weed eater that was 167 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of the property, right near the trailer 168 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: with canadas, and it looked like she really hadn't even 169 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: started doing the weed eating when when she was killed. 170 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: You know, everything matters, every single thing you know to you, 171 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupre, forensic pathologists from medical examiner and author 172 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: of homicide Investigation Field Guy, doctor d Pree. If her 173 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: body's not found till ten pm that night, then how 174 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: do we know, basically a physical inspection of the body 175 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: that she was killed and broad day right, how do 176 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: we know she wasn't killed at nine thirty pm or 177 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: nine fifty nine pm? Nancy, Those are good questions, and 178 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: that's one of the questions that we always ask Collin. 179 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Find a personal life best we go by many factors. 180 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: It's not like on TV where you can say, oh, 181 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: they died at nine oh seven pm. But we look 182 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: at the state that the body is in. We also 183 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: have to take into consideration the environment she was outdoors, 184 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: was she indoors, was the heat on the air conditioning whatever? 185 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: Since she was outdoors, the body is going to decompose 186 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot faster, and we take those things into consideration. 187 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: We also look at the state of the injury, and 188 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: we also look at the surrounding area to determine if 189 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: there are any other clues that might tell us what 190 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: time she was actually killed. Dodger, Michelle Dupree, Let's not 191 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: put perfume on the pig when you say you look 192 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: at the state of the body to determine time of death. 193 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: We already know cod cause of death. She's got a 194 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: gaping bullet hole, the gunshot into the back of the head. 195 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: But you look to see is the blood still flowing, 196 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: has it coagulated, is it dried? Has lybra mortis set 197 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: in or rigor mortis set into the body? I mean, 198 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: get real, doctor, Michelle Dupree. We ain't at a tea party. 199 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: How can you tell how long the body's been there? 200 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: That's true, Nancy, We do look at that. We do 201 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: look at the liber mortis, which is the settling of 202 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: the blood according to gravity. We can tell according to 203 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: whether it blanches or not if we touch it, how 204 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: long has that person been in that position? We can 205 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Well, not everybody's a 206 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: medical examiner, doctor Michelle Dupre. When we push on that 207 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: discolored area of the skin that has the liber mortis 208 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: or that discoloration of the skin, we push on it. 209 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: If it blanches, if it turns, why that means that 210 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: it hasn't formed yet, it hasn't fixed, and so then 211 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: we can shorten the time down. We also do that 212 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: with rigor mortis, which is the stiffening of the joints 213 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: and of the muscles. And depending on again the outside 214 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: circumstances like the temperature, rigor mortis and labor mortis will 215 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: settle differently, So anywhere from five to six to twelve hours, 216 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: we can tell looking at those conditions of the body 217 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: approximately how long that body has been there. Guys, take 218 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Laura Barrett at NBC. She 219 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: was actually found shot in the back of the head. 220 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: She actually had a gun on her possession. It was 221 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: still in the holster it's safety on, so it suggests 222 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: that she didn't even know what was coming. She was 223 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: working to clean up the property where her sister in 224 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: law was living. They had had a memorial set up 225 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: there because her and her husband believed that the sheriff's 226 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: office here wasn't doing enough to get answers about the 227 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: sister in law's death here. Though today, six months after 228 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: the sister in law's death and now a week out 229 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: nearly a week after Ashley's we somehow any answers, any arrests, 230 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: or any leads in the case. The Sheriff's office neglecting 231 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: to respond to any comments here today. As we've we've 232 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: been working Againside multiple times to get some of those answers. 233 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: The family not getting any answers either, so they're expressing 234 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: doubt and making sure that anyone will be held account 235 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: of hold on Tom Deisher Porter or Fox starteamvs. The 236 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: sheriff isn't responding with even a comment. Who do they 237 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: think is paying their paycheck? Us? Why no comment and 238 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: why is it? The family says, the Sheriff's department is 239 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: not doing their job. I think to get to the 240 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: root of it, and I'm getting fingers pointing in both directions. 241 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Nancy, in the state of Mississippi, 242 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: there is a huge delay at the crime lab. Everything 243 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: that goes any homicide, any autopsy, anything to that degree 244 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: of goes through the state crime lab. Why two years 245 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: ago it was taking a year to get an autopsy done, 246 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Miss Jones autopsy took six months for the processing. And 247 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm taking this is coming from the Assistant District Attorney's office. 248 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Dubarro, and he's telling me that it took 249 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: six months to get the autopsy results back from the 250 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: fire hold. On second, Tom Ds, Okay, I don't believe 251 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: that for one minute, not even one minute. Yeah, I mean, 252 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: I've worked for ten years in inner city Atlanta. We 253 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: had a huge glutt of crime. Can you imagine all 254 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: those ter fours over drugs, all the murders and the 255 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: shootings that go along with that. A year for an autopsy, Well, 256 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: what do you keep the body on a cold slab 257 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: for solid year? No, you don't. I just don't believe that, Tom, 258 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Aecond Oh your coach uper jump in. 259 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking What they mean by that is depending 260 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: on the outside tests that are run. Absolutely an autopsy 261 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: has done within a matter of hours or days on 262 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: the actual physical body, but it very well may take 263 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: several months to get all of the toxicology results back 264 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: or the firearms examination. Every lab in the country in 265 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: firearms is backed up for many, many months. In a 266 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: lot of cases. I hear months, and I agree with you. 267 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I agree with many months. I've worked with many months before. 268 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: But when you've got a potential double homicide, the sister 269 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: and now her, she's leaving a crusade to find out 270 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: why the sister's case hasn't been resolved in Oh, this 271 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: isn't right. And yes, I understand toxicology lab results can 272 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: take a couple of months. I know that, but not 273 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: this long. Not this long. I believe the Sheriff's Department 274 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: and love the Sheriff's Department. I put Minia Share up 275 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: on the stand. It's my witness because I believe them. 276 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: But I don't believe that they're not giving answers or 277 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: at least a comment for Pete's sake because of the 278 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: crime lab. No, no, no, no, I mean, doctor Jory Crassen, 279 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: You're the psychologist. You work with the police, you teach 280 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: there at Saint Looi's University, you're a consultant with the 281 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: Blue Wall Institute, that's the police. This is complete BS. 282 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: Now that's a technical legal term. They probably didn't teach 283 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: you in your psychology classes. But to not even work 284 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: with the family the victims, that's key in police workers. 285 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: You've got to have that relationship. And you know, with 286 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: no comment, I mean any comment would be sufficient, even 287 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: if it is the crime lab, then simply move it 288 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: to the crime lab, say we're waiting on the results. 289 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: There's so many ways to even address the crime lab. 290 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I mean you could ask for federal assistance and it 291 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: could be unto Washington, so there's different ways. But just 292 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: to not comment, yeah, that would kind of make the 293 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: kind of suspicions. Well, typically, doctor Jerry Crossing, the last 294 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: thing I want to do is to drag Washington into anything. 295 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: And that's having been a fed myself for three years. 296 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: I agree. But in this case, since the local crime 297 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: lab can't handle it, and I'm talking about the state 298 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: crime lab, it's not a county crime lab, it's a 299 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: state crime lab, then I would send it to Washington too. 300 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I completely disagree with what the sheriff is saying. Crime 301 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about what I 302 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: believe to be double homicide and a very quaint Mississippi 303 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: town not far from water Valley Pop three. Thou take 304 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen, Memphis. Property 305 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: where Ashley Henley was killed is out in the county, 306 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: so far out there there are a few neighbors. The 307 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: coronor tells me she died from a single gunshot wound. 308 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: Relatives tell me she was shot in the back of 309 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: the head while weed eating the property where her sister 310 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: in law, Christina Michelle Jones died in December. Posters of 311 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: Jones dot the property, the weed eater and medical gloves 312 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: are still out here. State Representative Steve Hopkins of Southaven 313 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: was Henley's friend and spoke to me by phone. I'm 314 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: thinking the investigation is going to ran deep because this, 315 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: from what I understand and what I have read, goes 316 00:20:53,680 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: into another murder investigation as well. And personally calling on 317 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: the FBI to investigate this case, you know. Karen L. Smith, 318 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: forensic expert lecturer, University Florida, hosts of Shattered Soul's podcast, Karen, 319 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: I think she was snuck up on while she was 320 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: weed eating, because the sound of the weed eater masked 321 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: somebody sneaking up on her, depending on which way she 322 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: was turned, I believe she was snuck up from behind. 323 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't think she saw a shadow or any movement 324 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: to alert her, no sound. She maybe even had in 325 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: a protective earbuds for all I know, because the safety 326 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: was still on her gun and the gun was not 327 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: withdrawn from the holster. Absolutely, and you took the words 328 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: right out of my mouth. Two things, Anthony. Let's start 329 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: with the wheat eater, which apparently is still at the 330 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: crime scene. Why that's evidence that should have been collected. 331 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: And here's why. If you're correct, and she had started 332 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: weed eating that property, Yes, if it was a gas 333 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: word weed eater, which likely was, I can't imagine they're 334 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: being electricity And that burned out trailer. Was the gas 335 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: tank full or was it empty? Did it lay their 336 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: idoling while she lay there dead? Did they collect it? 337 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Did they look to find out if it had even 338 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: been started? Was the gas tank full? That's one thing. 339 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: Number two was a neighborhood canvas done who heard a gunshot. 340 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: We have a huge timeline here ten o'clock in the 341 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: morning until about eight o'clock at night. That's ten hours. 342 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: They're saying she was shot in broad daylight? Was a 343 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: canvas done? Did anybody hear a gunshot? Can we narrow 344 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: down that timeline to a point where somebody said, yeah, 345 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: I thought I heard a pop, or I thought I 346 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: heard a firecracker, anything like that. Who talked there? The neighbors. 347 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: This is a small area of trailers. Somebody had to 348 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: have heard something to narrow down that timeline. Nancy, it 349 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: scotta all go. I agree with you three. Karen Smith, 350 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: it's scotta all go back to the sister. Katrina tom 351 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: Das jump in. I think that's going back through the autopsy, 352 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna jump back on that for a second. 353 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: You've got two medical examiners for the whole state to 354 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: in fifteen hundred autopsy of a year. I want to 355 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: get that, get that out there. The crime Lab is 356 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: pointing at delays from their end, saying they're not funded. 357 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: The state legislature says it's a problem at the crime lab. 358 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I think in order for us to get some answers, 359 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: and it's not the only story that I've done on 360 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: this in the state of Mississippi, that the answers, the 361 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: answers for families where they die, where they have to 362 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: sit and wait on an investigation because the local folks 363 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: can't get the help that they need or get the 364 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: answers that they need, is repeatedly. It's repeated over and over, 365 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: and we've dealt with in a Mississippi for a long 366 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: long time. But that property sits, there's wide open. It's 367 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: wide open because then snuck up on on the back. 368 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: I do know that she had her ear budge in. 369 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: I know that she had her holster. And why was 370 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: she carrying a gun? Curious? I'm all about the Second Amendment. 371 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm not knocking carrying a gun. But well, in talking 372 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: to her husband and talking to Brandy, Brandy told me 373 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: and he made a stepent. I trained my wife well. 374 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: And she was also a politician, you know, actually also 375 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: a politician. But even Biden or Trump didn't have a 376 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: twenty two strap to their thigh, not that I know 377 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: of anyway, I've never seen their naked thigh. But I 378 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: find that interesting that she was carrying a holster weapon. 379 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: She never got it out of her holster, nor is 380 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: she even get the safety off? But was there a 381 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: threat on her life that we know of, Tom, No, 382 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: not that I know of, not outside of outside out. 383 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: She thought she needed to carry that gun for a reason. 384 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: And nobody have you heard a thing? You got twenty 385 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: roads of high scale trailers here and nobody heard anything. 386 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there if you live out 387 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: in the county, in Yallabusha County, I don't think because 388 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: people hunt, people shoot, I don't think a gunshot would 389 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: have gone necessarily gone notice. But did anybody hear one? 390 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: So I can get a timeline going I I haven't 391 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: heard that has not been apported. Now, huh, interesting, right, Nancy. 392 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: That tells me that an appropriate canvas wasn't done. That's 393 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: what that tells me, because even if somebody said, well, yeah, 394 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: we hear gunshots all the time, or if it was done, 395 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: they're not releasing it. I mean, I grew up in 396 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: the mill of as they say nowhere. It was somewhere 397 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: to me, and I would have noticed if I heard 398 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: a gunshot, much less one right outside my window. Well, 399 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: especially when you find out it was a woman has 400 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: been murdered in the same place that you're living. Of 401 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: course you're gonna say, yeah, I heard a pop. I 402 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it at the time, but now 403 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: it might be important. They need to go back and 404 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: question these folks who live around there the realities. There 405 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: should no way these two cases are not connected. Let's 406 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: cut forward to our cut number seven. This is our 407 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: friend Shep Smith. Take a listen to our cut set. 408 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: Forty year old Ashley Henley found dead this past Sunday. Henley, 409 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: the ex Republican state lawmaker, shot and killed. According to 410 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: local police, she was shot in the back of the head, 411 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: assassination ambush style. The victim's husband, Brandon Henley, tells local 412 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: reporters she was at the property where the day after Christmas, 413 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: firefighters found his own sister, Christina Michelle Jones dead inside 414 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: a burned out trailer. The former lawmaker there to tidy 415 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: up around the memorial they'd laid out. It includes this 416 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: sign begging the local sheriff to further investigate. She was 417 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: murdered and her body was burning. My father's house under 418 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: in the bed. There was a excellant port out throughout 419 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: the house, The local coroner says. The official cause of 420 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: death is undetermined. He says there were no gun shot wounds, 421 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: but that Jones had no smoke in her lungs, suggesting 422 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: she was dead before the fire. Oh man, it just 423 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: gets worse and worse from the local coroner. Is it 424 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: a coroner or is it a medical examiner? Because Tom 425 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: D's I mean, you could be the dogcatcher and be 426 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: a coroner, you just have to get elected. But a 427 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: medical examer, I'm pretty sure has to be an actual MD. 428 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: Right the coroner, the coroners locally elected, and the body 429 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: would have gone through the crime lab. Once again in Jackson, Mississippi, 430 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: the body went to the crime lab, or tissues from 431 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: the body, well tissues from it, well the body, the 432 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: body would have gone to the crime lab and tissues 433 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: from the body would have been been taken there. The 434 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: initial report, the initial report would have come out fairly quickly, 435 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: but the full report, including the toxicology that was spoken 436 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: to earlier, would have taken up to six months, along 437 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: with the examine that the fire Marshal's report, which would 438 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: have taken that long as well. And that was that 439 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: that evidence. That information was shared with the family the 440 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: week before Ashley was killed by the das Wow, that's 441 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: pretty significant timing time stories with Nancy Grace. I'm going 442 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: to circle back to the sister Katrina Jones's death. Did 443 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: I hear there was no smoke in her life? I 444 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: haven't seen the autopsy report, but they basically the cause 445 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: of death has not been determined as what the family 446 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: has been told. Well, I'm hearing from ship that there 447 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: was no gunshot wound and there was no smoke in 448 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: her lungs, absolutely suggesting she was dead before the fire. 449 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: And not only that, we learned that it wasn't a 450 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: light switch that suddenly exploded. It wasn't a cooktop or 451 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: a stovetop or gas left on. We're hearing that there 452 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: was accelerant i ate gas. That's what my understanding was 453 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: that it has been deemed in arson and she was 454 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: already dead, so she was dead and then gas was 455 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: poured and the place burned up. So there's no way 456 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: that she that had to be murder. Tom Deese And 457 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: another thing, Tom des why didn't I just hear about 458 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: a sign that maybe it was Ashley herself or her 459 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: husband that posted a sign asking the sheriff to, for 460 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, please do something about Katrina's murder. There was 461 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: a sign that was placed on the property that reads 462 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: I was murdered and it has her sister in laws 463 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: picture on it, and it is facing Billy brooks House, 464 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: who was the suspect wasted on. Brooks was arrested and 465 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: he has been charged with arson in the case of 466 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: setting the trailer on fire. He has not been charged 467 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: with the sister in law with Missus Jones with her death, 468 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: but he has been charged in the arson of the 469 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: trailer fire. Also on the side of the trailer it 470 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: has been spray painted I was murdered. But the sign 471 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: that was erected as memorial by Brandon Henley and by 472 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: Ashley Henley Henley is facing brooks House. Take a listen 473 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: to our cut eight. This is Shep Smith at CNBC. 474 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: This is the death certificate. Authorities released it last month 475 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: and Ashley Henley posted it on Facebook and wrote absolutely unacceptable. 476 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: My family waited five months for this to those granted 477 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: public trust and responsibility for ensuring justice for all. You 478 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: may think this is over and your job is done, 479 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: but you're mistaken. This is only the beginning. I will 480 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: leave no stone unturned in my pursuit of truth. Twenty 481 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: days after that post, cops found her shot and killed 482 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: at the memorials she built for her sister in law, 483 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: for whom she was demanding justice. I believe she got closer, 484 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: she ruffled some feathers, and whoever was responsible stepped up. 485 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it was because somebody 486 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: didn't like her. They just didn't like the fact that 487 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: she was poking around trying to get answers for who 488 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: had murdered her sister in law. Dan Eubanks is a 489 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: Mississippi state lawmaker and friend of ex Representative Ashley Henley. 490 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: It was an execution style murder, straight back out to 491 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: Tom Dee. So you mentioned the name Billy Brooks, who 492 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: is he in relation to Christina Jones, the dead sister. 493 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: He lives across the street from her. He's a neighborhoods 494 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: and his house would be facing the trailer that she 495 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: lived in directly. How he knew her beyond that? At 496 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: this point, I do not know. They're working to find out. 497 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: They certainly aren't playing this close to the vest, or 498 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: they're refusing to get out information, which is a really 499 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: difficult thing for the family of the victims. Doctor Jerry 500 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Cross and psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University and author. The 501 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: families just left hanging. Why, Yeah, They've got to be 502 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: extremely frustrated. And I mean, you know they've followed everything 503 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: by the law and to her murdered like that, you 504 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: know they still have answers that they can demand and 505 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: that they need to be answered. These questions to doctor 506 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologists for a medical examiner into author 507 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, I assume that you, of course have autopsied 508 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: cases that dealt with arson. You have been too in 509 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: arson seeing correct, Yes, absolutely, you know it's not really 510 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: rocket science. When you go into a home or any 511 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: structure that has been burned, you can almost immediately tell 512 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: where the fire started because that will be the most 513 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: heavily damaged part of the arson, part of the structure. 514 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: That's where it started, that's where it burned the most. Also, 515 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: when accelerant is used, it's typically playing a day. In 516 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: every arson case I've or prosecutor where accelerant was used. 517 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: And proving an arcing case is it's an art because 518 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: first you have to prove that a crime even occurred, 519 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: this was not an accident. Then you have to prove 520 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: who did it. But with accelerant, not only can you 521 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: bring in a fire dog to smell the accelerant, they 522 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: can smell accelerant underwater. Often used in civil cases, rarely 523 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: used in criminal cases, with which I disagree. But with 524 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: a naked eye, a human can see the accelerant. If 525 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: there's enough of the structure left. It looks to me 526 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: like somebody poured a big jug of coca cola onto 527 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: the ground and it dried even after the fire. You 528 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: can see the poor pattern exactly, Nancy. And also we 529 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: can take elements from the crime scene, take them to 530 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: the laboratory, put them under the mass spect right, yes, exactly, 531 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: and we can open them under something called a fume hood, 532 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: which the gases from that accelerant will escape, and we 533 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: can measure that to determent what kind of accelerant was 534 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: actually you think, I'm sure you've had to do this 535 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: on the stand, doctor Michelle Dufrey. But did you just 536 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: dummy down for us what happens in a mass spectrometer? Sure? Sure, 537 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: Well there's actually two parts to that. One is called 538 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: the GC or the gas chromatograph is the technical term, 539 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: And what that does is it breaks down the category 540 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: of substance, whether it's an accelerant or drugs or whatever 541 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: it may be, then the mass spectrometer actually identifies the 542 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: specific drug or accelerant or whatever it may be that 543 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: you're looking for. It's incredible, and I can't tell you 544 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: how long I had to work with the crime lab 545 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: and the arson experts to nail down in my own 546 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: mind how a mass spectrometer works. What does it do? 547 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: What is the hood do? How can you determine exactly 548 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: what type of excelerent was used? But once you figured out, 549 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: I mean, even I, and I'm a j D, not 550 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: an m D like a lot of you guys are, 551 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: even I could figure it out. So there's no way 552 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Tom D's that they don't know exactly what happened. I'm 553 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out why they're looking at Billy Brooks. 554 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: Isn't it true, Tom D's that the sign that's been 555 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: put in Katrina Judge's yard is looking directly over at 556 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: Billy Brooks's place, directly at Billy Brook's house. Yes, ma'am, 557 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: it's plain directly out of there's no way for him 558 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: not to see it and spray painted on the trailer. 559 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: So if he's on the hook for the arson and 560 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: as if yet he has not been convicted, let's just 561 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: be clear about that. I'm sure he is insisting he's innocent, 562 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: but if he's on the hook for that, would logically 563 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: they would look at him in the murder, the execution 564 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: style murder of Ashley the sister, would I would think so, 565 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: But I can't say they haven't charged They haven't charged 566 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: him with her death. They haven't charged him with the 567 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: death of Jones. They've only charged him with the arson 568 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: of the trailer at this point. Any security cameras, Tom Dason, 569 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, I looked around and I didn't see any 570 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: I looked for. And sometimes folks in the country woman 571 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: and the folks may snicker at this, but they make 572 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: one of the best security cameras ever. Sometimes people will 573 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: put up deer cameras and people use for deer hunting 574 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: the monitor rose going in and out of neighborhoods because 575 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: they make great cameras. But I could not see where 576 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: there are any security cameras on naming of the homes 577 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: out there that would have caught this. If you know 578 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: or even think you know information relating to the point 579 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: blank execution style shooting. I'm not just a miss Mississippi 580 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: State Rep. But a mother of a young boy, a 581 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: wife Ashley Henley, or her sister in law, Christina Jones. 582 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Please dial eight eight eight eight crimes. That's eight eight 583 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: eight eight two seven four six three seven Nancy Grace 584 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,