WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: Ruby Franke 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.600 Hi guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.320 will be your host Emily Simpson with my co host 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.320 Shane and we don't really have any updates on any 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.079 other cases, but I thought what we could do is 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.280 at the top of every podcast episode is we just 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.439 kind of talk a little bit about the crime going 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.040 on in the week, some interesting things. So I don't 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.000 know if you've heard of this, but there is a 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.919 recent case that popped up that I found truly disturbing 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.680 yet interesting. It's Kimberly's Sullivan. I don't know if you 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.960 heard this, but so Waterbury Police and fire responded to 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.239 Kimberly Sullivan's home around eight forty two pm on February seventeenth, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.120 So this just recently happened. Sullivan was able to evacuate 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.280 her home while her step son remained inside and was 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.000 later assisted out by Waterbury firefighters. This is what the 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.600 police said. The police report the man was suffering from 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.000 smoke inhalation and exposure to the fire. According to the department, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.000 her step son, who is five foot nine, thirty two 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.920 years of logo that was in there for twenty years. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.680 He weighed only sixty eight pounds sixty eight pounds. First 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:10.280 of all, I think our sons that are ten way 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.400 around fifty five to sixty pounds. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.479 No, I can't even imagine. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.320 And they are I don't even know how tall are they. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.600 They're not even five feet tall, four feet and they're 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.000 tiny for their age and they're ten. So you're talking 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.840 about a five foot nine, thirty two year old that 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.040 weighs sixty eight pounds. So, while he was being treated, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.560 the step son told the first responders that he intentionally 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.840 set the fire in his upstairs room using a lighter, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.679 hand sanitizer and paper. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.399 Oh oh smart. It was a little risky, but it 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:37.559 was smart. He was trying to escape. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.320 It was yeah, he was trying to escape. He stayed in. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.640 She just smothered her with a sanitizer, Yeah, throwing her 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.240 out the window. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.680 Well, that was he should have furthered his plan. I 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.440 wanted my freedom. He then alleged that Sullivan, who is 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.000 his stepmom, had been held holding him captive for over 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.680 twenty years since he was eleven years old. So the 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.680 step mom was arrested wins March twelfth and held on 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.240 a three hundred thousand dollars bond over allegations of crimes 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.120 against her step son. She is accused of first degree assault, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.320 second degree kidnapping, first degree unlawful restraint, first degree reckless endangerment, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 and cruelty to persons, and she has denied all of 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.720 these allegations. She posted bond last Thursday. She appeared briefly 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.919 in Superior Court on Thursday and declined to make any 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.720 statements before the judge and denied prosecutor's request to place 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.320 her under house arrest. Sullivan will be allowed to travel 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.400 within Connecticut where this took place, though she will have 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.840 to keep in close regular contact with probation officers. She 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.560 denies all of the allegations. My first thought when I 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.280 was reading this is where is the dad? But then 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.959 as I further investigated read more about the story, the 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.320 dad had died and then the step son was left 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.160 living with the step mother. So the steps on lived 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.600 on what place described as a back storage space on 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.520 the second floor of the residence. It was an eight 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.080 foot by nine foot space that had angled ceilings with 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.240 no heat in the winter and no air conditioning in 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.000 the summer. He said that a lock had always been 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.839 on the outside of his door, and it evolved from 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.400 a chain to a padlock and eventually to one of 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.400 those slide bolt locks. So the dad died in twenty 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.519 twenty four, which means, yeah, the father was a part 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.520 of this, so the step home was just continuing on 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.440 with the way that this child apparently had been treated. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.200 So following his father's death, the step son would only 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.360 be let out as this is what he alleges that 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.800 he was only allowed out one minute a day to 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.040 let the family dog out into the backyard, and that 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.960 he was locked in this small room between twenty two 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.560 to twenty four hours a day. He also alleges that 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.920 he was only fed two sandwiches and given two small 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.920 water bottles. I guess that's per day, two sandwiches and 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.840 two small water bottles, and that he was forced to 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.920 use newspapers to dispose of like when you ask go 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.200 the bathroom. In order to even bathe himself, he was 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.120 forced to ration the drinking water he was given, and 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.160 he was not provided any soaper shampoo. He hadn't had 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.960 a haircut in three years, his only He claims that 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.400 his only real connection to the outside world was a 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.920 radio that apparently was kept outside of his bedroom, so 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.440 he has a calendar in a radio. That's how he 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.320 keeps track of time. And for his education, I guess 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.039 he's only reading at a fourth grade level, but he 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.520 was given three to four books a year, and he 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.960 told police that he used the books and a dictionary 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.320 to ultimately educate himself. He also told police that he 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.440 knew hand sanitizer was flammable because he had read about that. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.640 So that's where he came up with the plan to 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.800 start the fire, so that the fire police so that 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:50.400 the fire. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.440 Is very lucky because he could have very well been trapped. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.160 Yeah, he did get lucky that he was rescued. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.080 I'm glad to do that. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.200 There was a former principle of this elementary school where 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.200 he used to go to, and the principal said that 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.640 there were concerns raised by teachers and him. He claims 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.600 that we knew it, we reported it, and not a 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.960 damn thing was done. That's the tragedy of this whole thing. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.240 So apparently this kid when he was in school, when 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.560 he did go to school, that he was extremely small 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.120 and thin, and when teachers asked him questions, he told 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.280 them that he wasn't allowed to have food at home. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.440 He said that teachers would even bring food in for 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.120 the student. After noticing that he was stealing food and 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.080 he was eating out of the garbage, the principal told 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.800 a news team in Connecticut or whatever this news cycle 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.160 is that they were on that he and his teachers. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.640 The team made multiple calls to the boy's stepmom, Kimberly Sullivan, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.200 and also called the Department of Children and Families at 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.120 least twenty times by the fifth grade. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.520 What does it take to get their attention? 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.040 I have no idea. I don't know. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.840 Apparently the fire department apparently. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.919 Yeah, that's his last recourse was that he had to 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.279 set a fire fire chief. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:00.719 My goodness. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.080 So by the fifth grade, he never came back to school, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.120 and the teachers and the principill never saw him again. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.000 And now this elementary school is closed. But I mean, 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.760 there's over twenty calls to DCF and nothing happens. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.320 Thank goodness. He's hopefully you can transition. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.920 Why how do you if you're sixty eight pounds, you're 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.039 completely malnourished, how do you recover from that? Is that blossful? 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.640 I would imagine it is. But it's going to take time, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.000 and you can't just like pick out the first day 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.679 you have to slowly introduce foods and stuff. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.680 Okay, So the question is did anyone else know? And 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.960 apparently the man said that in addition to the stepmother 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.400 and his father knowing about what was going on, he 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.520 has two half sisters and a late grandmother that we're 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.560 aware of his captivity of the boy man his name 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.159 is not given out, so we don't know what his 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.039 name is. It's kept private, but he claims that his 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.240 late father would occasionally let him out of his room 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.839 for longer periods to watch television with him or do 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.280 yard work together. He said the last time he had 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.400 actually left the property altogether was around age fourteen or fifteen, 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.880 and that was to dump yard waste with his father, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.119 and that his captivity and restraint got even worse after 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.840 his dad's death. When asked why he didn't speak to 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.080 anyone about his experience, the man cited that the threat 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.040 of longer lockdowns and further withholding of food, and the 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.520 false hope that his stepmom would let him out more 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.320 if he earned her trust. So I guess he didn't 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.920 speak out because he was worried that there were Well, obviously, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:24.640 if there's teachers and principles that know about it, and 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.360 they're making phone calls and nothing happens. This man has 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.800 no faith in humanity at all, so it's not like 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.960 he's going to go tell someone because he doesn't feel 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.840 like there's any type of And he knows that his 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.960 half siblings know, and he knows that his grandmother knows, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.520 and he knows that his dad was involved in it. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.920 This man was failed by everyone, not only his family, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:55.360 but society. The stepmom has an attorney, and the attorney 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.200 tells people that his client, Kimberly Sullivan, was not the 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.000 one making choices about how our step son should be racing, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.160 that it was ultimately the late husband and the boy 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.440 who was the boy's father. However, as for the victim's 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.120 allegation that he is on now. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.680 Because she got caught, right, I mean, he died in 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.560 twenty four Why didn't she do anything? Why does she 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.640 speak up to her husband then? I mean whatever, Why 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.640 wasn't her the loser? They just need to put her 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.640 in a freaking hole and give her, you know, two 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.000 small bottles of water for twenty years. That's what they 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:27.440 need to do. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.680 I agree. So the stepmamas do back in court on 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.960 March twenty six D hands her phony charges of assault 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.080 in the first degree, kidnapping, and all those other charges 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.560 that we went through. So we will see what happens 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.120 with this case. I think her defense is pretty weak. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.800 It's basically like, oh, it was it was the dad. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.320 I was just following through with his wishes. But this 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.480 is a terrible, terrible story. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.400 Being named Karen doesn't help. Yes, yeah, that's another person 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.680 making that name look bad. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.360 All right, So that was an awful story, but that 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.080 was the I'm not going to happen recently in the news, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.160 which it is compelling. It is interesting to talk about. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.320 I do feel sorry for him, and hopefully he gets 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.280 the help that he needs and he can move on 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.280 and be a functioning member of society. But I don't 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.400 know how you do. Not only is he physically impaired, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.800 but socially mentally. Oh I don't know. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.040 That guy doesn't know you? No? Was it twenty years? 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:22.720 My goodness? 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:28.720 All right, Well, let's move on to another enlightening, some 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.480 more positive. Well, it is crime, so it's not going 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.960 to be we're not going to be talking about rainbows 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.280 and unicorns. So we are doing crime. Let's move on 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.839 to the Ruby Frankie case. Now, Shane did not want 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.720 to cover this case. He does not like to talk 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.080 about child abuse. And if you've been following the case 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.360 or you saw the new Hulu documentary, you do know 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.320 that Ruby Frankie was in prison for abusing her two 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.760 youngest children is in prison. She's in prison currently for 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.439 abusing her two younger children. I think what's interesting about 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.000 this case and what there's a lot of discussion that 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.880 we can go through, is that it happened in Utah, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.480 in Springville, which Shane and I used to live in Utah, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.160 very near Springville. She's an LDS mom, it's an LDS family. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.640 A lot of her I think rationale or reasoning for 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:25.160 doing the things that she does. She uses religion, and 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.160 I just think it's an interesting discussion to work our 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.200 way through. So you, being an active member of the 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.959 LDS church, I think that. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.800 It's nothing to do with it. I just think you 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.880 being a female her thoughts. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.280 No, I'm saying that I think you can add some 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.719 insight into the church's. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.480 The insight is she didn't listen to any of the 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.800 teachings and she went did her own thing and was evil. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.760 That's what that's it. There's no like, well, that's it. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.080 There is no justification, there is no teaching, there's nothing 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.959 that would lead her to think this other than she's 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.120 just a mess up person. Selfish. I saw one episode. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.079 She's awful. Chaaw she's a terrible woman. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.200 Chasaw one episode. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.000 That's a terrible much to take to do. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.440 All right, Ruby Frankie, let's just give you a little 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.120 background in case you don't know the case and you 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.679 haven't watched the series. But Ruby Frankie is an American 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.320 convicted child abuser and former family vlogger who ran the 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.880 now defunct YouTube channel eight Passengers. That was called eight 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.120 Passengers because she and her husband Kevin have six children, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.000 so there's the eight passengers. She was born in Utah 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.880 in January. She was actually born on my birthday. It 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.640 was January eighteenth of nineteen eighty two. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.640 Oh relate? Can you relate? 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.040 Then you explain to us her thinking, I don't know, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.040 she's a Capricorn. That's all I know. Ruby grew up 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.240 with three sisters and started a large family of her 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.080 own after marrying Kevin, who was formerly a professor of 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.199 engineering at BYU. First of all, can we just before 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.880 we get into this further. Can we just talk about 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.920 how the husband is a very intelligent, educated man, and 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.240 I think we should just remember that because we're gonna 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.720 get that entirely intelligent, well book intelligence. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.120 He did all the proper steps to build a family. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.440 And that's what's sad is maybe I'm getting ahead. But 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.480 six kids, they all look healthy. Husband who's working, a 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.760 mom who has an opportunity to be with. She wanted 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.839 to be a stay at home runer, right loving yea, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.840 not everyone that, It's what she loved. So she's she's 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.880 able to fulfill her dreams. They live in you know 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.560 what is a nice state, They have a home, they 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.200 have all these things. And then she builds a YouTube 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.920 channel in which she wanted she makes good money that 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.720 way to supplement her husband's income. I mean, they had 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.880 all these opportunities and then she freaking screwed it up. Well, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.840 I you know, it's all those people that don't have 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.640 the opportunities and wish they could, and she screwed it up, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:47.520 all right. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.960 The Frankie shot to social media started with the YouTube 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.960 channel eight Passengers, which Ruby started back in twenty fifteen, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.880 and it was to chronicle the life of her wholesome 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.160 Mormon family in Utah. She eventually ended up with two 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.760 point five million subscribers more than a billion views, which 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:06.360 is insane to think about. YEA, not easy to do that. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.280 I mean, I'm on TV. I can't even get that 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:13.600 many follow the family earned up to follow her footsteps. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.440 I'm not thank you for that warning. The family earned 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.360 up to one hundred thousand a month at their peak. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.559 That's what Kevin says in the docu series, that they 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.400 were at their peak, they were earning up to one 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.440 hundred thousand dollars a month. The videos were a window 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.920 into her life, showing a typical Mormon suburban family, but 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.239 some moments raised eyebrows. There were a couple of moments 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.160 that she she uploaded and I think what she did 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.560 not realize and this is what I'm also. I've also 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.000 read a lot of Sherry. Sherry Frankie's the Oldest Daughter, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.280 and I've I've read her. She wrote a memoir and 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.640 I read most of it. I'm almost done. But Sherry 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:53.000 the Oldest basically says that whatever is in Ruby was 0:13:53.040 --> 0:14:00.040 always there. This this narcissism and egotism and all the 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.839 things they were innately in this woman, and then the 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.439 child abuse was something that was also there, Like she 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.760 was not a good person, she did not have a 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.120 good relationship with her mom her whole life. It's not 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:12.840 like there was something that happens. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.959 It's not like she was a wholehearted like saint right 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:22.000 and everything was great and yeah, yeah, but call it 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.160 what you want. It's terrible. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.960 So there were some there were some videos at first 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.080 that started to raise eyebrows. It's so For example, in 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.000 one video, she could be seen telling her sons that 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.960 they would lose the privilege to eat dinner if they 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.520 continued play fighting. In another one, you can't do that. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.120 You can't punish with food. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.480 I know. I don't understand that. Yeah, I don't understand that. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:42.600 Thinking that's where I want. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.560 To like, that's like, let's punish her with food. Let's 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.120 put her in prison and say you don't get any 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.960 food because you didn't sweep your floor or whatever it is. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.280 Oh no, it's terrible. In another, it's hard for me 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:54.160 to listen to this stuff. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.320 I know what you're gonna have to because I need 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.880 your opinion. In another, she said that her six year 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.040 old needed to go hungry after forgetting to take her 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.880 lunch to school. I actually Share actually elaborates on this 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.640 in her book, and she says that what happened was 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.200 the teacher called Ruby and said, your daughter forgot to 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.000 bring her lunch to school. Can you bring her lunch? 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.640 And she said to the teacher, absolutely not. She needs 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.560 to just she needs to starve, basically, like that's her 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.800 way of learning to be responsible is to go hungry. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.840 And so that was a lot of her A lot 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.600 of her thinking, according to Sherry, was that the mom 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.480 made it as if the kids had to earn her love. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.480 That was it wasn't just given. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.520 And you know, I bet you that was really all. Well, yeah, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.320 I guess if that's the way she was. But I 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.480 bet she also used that disciplinary style to get what 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.640 she wanted on camera, right, because I saw some videos 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.320 where she was like, pretend to be happy, make it 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.760 like you you're happy. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.920 Just fake it, breake it right. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.200 Don't she fake that you don't have kids and leave. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.400 But the video that did the most damage was posted 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.840 in twenty two. This is when her son Chad, this 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.520 is interesting that this is the downfall of Ruby Frankie 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.520 was that she's such a narcissist that she did not 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.800 even she wasn't even cognizant that what he was saying 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:13.840 in the video was bad. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.400 Well, she probably, like you said, with Blake Lively around 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.360 a bunch of yes people. Yeah, you have all these 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.280 people who follow her because she did portray a beautiful 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.280 family right, and that beautiful home right, like meaning the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.400 living right and the interactions and all that. Right, So 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.280 people were following her authentically like, oh, wow, this is great. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.720 I can learn from her. She's you know, inspiring. And 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.440 then so she probably got really consumed like, oh, I 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.920 could do whatever I want. Like she didn't realize like, oh, 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.240 you know, some people don't like this, and people don't 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:47.920 like that. It's just like, oh, everyone loves me, so 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.360 everything I do is awesome. Everything I touched her instack 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.320 gold exactly. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.640 And that's what had been happening up until this point. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.640 So they got canceled in twenty twenty with one post, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.840 which is crazy to think about, but one post. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.880 Even did I see that post? Is that that one 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:03.880 that was awful? 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:05.280 This is what she was? 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.879 Oh, go ahead, sorry, let me just suppose yes, it'll 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:08.320 make fun of it. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.960 Okay, the post wasn't twenty twenty and This is when 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.320 her son, Chad, revealed that his bedroom had been taken 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.280 away for seven months and that he had been sleeping 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.119 on a small beam bag and this is in the 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.960 basement after playing pranks on his sibling. The tone of 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.520 their discussion was light between Ruby and Chad, with the 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.040 story drawing giggles from Frankie and her child, but many 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.120 viewers were disturbed by the incident and they which prompted 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.000 petitions and tiktoks to be made against the family. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.680 I discrewed a little bit. I didn't find him to 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.199 be chuckling. She did. He was rolling his eyes. He 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.960 was not He was not giving in. He was like yeah, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.160 what like he like she was like, oh hell yeah 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.800 it was a while, and he goes, yeah, seven months 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.800 and then she's just like giggle and laugh and he 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.760 was not having it. Well yeah, I wouldn't say he 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.480 spoke up and told this, but he was not making 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.119 light of it. And I think that's what touched the 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.119 viewers is if he laughed, if he chuckled, if he 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.440 kind of made it like, you know, this is how 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.640 we operate, people would have questioned it, But I don't 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.840 know if they would have canceled it would have been 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.840 on alert. But he was not happy sitting there talking 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.960 about it. He was not okay. And I think that 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.760 resonated with people like, oh my gosh, she thinks it's 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.760 funny and it's not. Well. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:31.600 With one video, Ruby managed to completely she creates a downfall. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:32.320 Think goodness. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:37.680 She posted that their entire YouTube channel because sponsors pulled out, 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.080 brand deals pulled out, no one wanted to be associated 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.359 with her. She lost a ton of subscribers, so she 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.240 lost everything basically that she had built with just. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.680 Actually wanted that out because that video was posted. Yeah, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.639 it exposed her, but then now it probably made it 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.119 worse for the kids because then she goes off in 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.760 whatever direction she's going, right, Whereas if she didn't, maybe 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.520 it would have been the same crappy abuse. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.320 You're saying. It was just like a worse Yeah, well, 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:08.800 let me just write. Let me just I just want 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.440 to read this little passage about vlogging, because I did. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.160 I wasn't aware of this, but Sherry, the oldest daughter, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.320 in her book says that in my church, which is 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.679 LDS were encouraged to document our lives, meticulously, creating a 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.960 roadmap for future generations to understand their roots, and it 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.560 seemed as though the Internet was just an extension of that, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.199 another way in which to do the Lord's work. So 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.520 this is why I didn't really realize this. Maybe you 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.520 knew this, but a lot of LDS families do vlogging. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:43.040 Well. Diaries are encouraged to document your life, your journey, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.680 for future generations, for your offspring, for your kids. Okay, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.800 then how much would you love it if your grandma 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.719 had documented in a diary all of her ups and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.600