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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's Friday. You got a feeling inside your loins,

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Speaker 2: on March fourteenth, twenty and twenty five, only three days

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Speaker 2: It's been fantastic. Hey the other guy, that guy DC's finest,

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Speaker 1: I think we have something interesting for the folks today.

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Speaker 1: So if you'll recall I know you do, BC, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, size normally matters, not when it comes nineteen paragraphs.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think we got any screenshots of any genitalia,

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Speaker 1: Right, We didn't get any screenshots of genitalia, but I

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Speaker 2: How about they were very bbl tastic to say the least,

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Speaker 2: those socials. How our socials, Jenny, pretty damn good? Right?

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Speaker 2: You also can subscribe to our YouTube channels, and that

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Speaker 2: not only includes Luke Thomas the BCX. How about that

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Speaker 2: main card minute with Luke no cita. In fact, we

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Speaker 2: Long Island. Luke, how the hell are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm hyped, guys, Roman dealeds a Marvin Vittori two this weekend?

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Speaker 2: This the shittiest card ever or just in recent shitty

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Speaker 2: I Reggie opened the door already, I got to close it.

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Speaker 1: Now. That doesn't mean that you're not gambling though, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it's almost like there's a person giving

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yesterday on my live chat, somebody asked me

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Speaker 2: You know it's a significant factor in his development as

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you something specifically about Vittori, and

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Speaker 1: Like this, Yeah, not just a decision machine a guy.

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Speaker 1: What makes any of those special? What is your favorite?

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Speaker 7: Obviously, welcome back, reg beIN what you've been up to.

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Speaker 1: We missed you.

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Speaker 6: You know, I've been in Miami, Big bouta latinas.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've been up to, you know. All of

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Speaker 1: No I'm teasing, he's not, but I was like.

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Speaker 2: I was not expecting that at that moment. That was great,

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Speaker 7: There's been a lot of changes in your division since

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's deep man division.

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Speaker 6: We raised the bar and the I mean they raised

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm want to be a contender and and get

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Speaker 4: That's where my head is.

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Speaker 2: And for the title.

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Speaker 2: You know, he kind of looks in that outfit. Did

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Speaker 5: out with the chicks with the white pet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly the episode you're talking about. Great,

434
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Speaker 4: thank you very.

435
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Speaker 2: Much, thank you. I feel I feel noticed.

436
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Speaker 1: I think Long Island Luke watches a lot of TV

437
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Speaker 1: I get the feeling we were talking.

438
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Speaker 4: Like early two thousand's MTV. Yeah, I was watching a

439
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Speaker 4: lot of TV.

440
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Speaker 2: I was on the broken leather couch and nothing.

441
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Speaker 1: But V is Long Island. Luke, what year did you

442
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Speaker 1: graduate high school? Twenty ten?

443
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Speaker 2: Okay, So would you say, Luke, it's it's not his fault.

444
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: He was born in the late nineties. Ultimately, probably it's.

445
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Speaker 1: In his case it's all his fault, early nineties, early

446
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Speaker 1: early nineties.

447
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Speaker 2: That is interesting, Luke. But I gotta be honest with

448
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: you right here. I don't have a lot of confidence

449
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: in victory in general. I want to see it. I

450
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: want to see him turn that corner. Here. We look

451
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: at the odds right now from our friends at DraftKings

452
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: minus one sixty two the favorite victory plus one thirty

453
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Speaker 2: six de leads a. This fight is interesting because of

454
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Speaker 2: sort of in some ways a crossroads nature of who's

455
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Speaker 2: coming and who's going. Who do you have more confidence in,

456
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Speaker 2: giving their age, recent injury history. You see that this

457
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: fight is not a pick them, but close enough in

458
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Speaker 2: terms of showing us on Saturday night that they are

459
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Speaker 2: headed toward contention. Again.

460
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand the question who do.

461
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Speaker 2: You have who's stock do you have more confidence in

462
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Speaker 2: this moment entering this fight?

463
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I'm trying to read your mind here a

464
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Speaker 1: little bit, which is why I was confused. It sounds to

465
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Speaker 1: me like I'm not saying you're suggesting this, but if

466
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Speaker 1: I may, you have more confidence in de leeds for

467
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Speaker 1: a very good reason, which is it's gonna almost I'm

468
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Speaker 1: gonna say almost always. It is routinely true that if

469
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Speaker 1: you are active, that just is gonna be better than

470
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Speaker 1: being inactive. And even if you can say BC to

471
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Speaker 1: the point we raised earlier about the confidence boosting properties

472
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Speaker 1: of you didn't have necessarily the two toughest opponents for

473
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Speaker 1: you in that moment, but just putting two back to

474
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Speaker 1: back wins together, like what this does for you. It

475
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Speaker 1: also just keeps you, like sharp in the gym active

476
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Speaker 1: doing those kinds of things, so then you can raise

477
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Speaker 1: your performance. It's much easier to ratchet it up against

478
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Speaker 1: a better opponent. And if you've had a couple of

479
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Speaker 1: ones that were a little bit you know, more of

480
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Speaker 1: a you know, an intro pace, so to speak. And

481
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Speaker 1: for that reason, I think it's not I don't know

482
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Speaker 1: what the odds are long on. Look, if you could

483
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Speaker 1: tell me if from our friends a.

484
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Speaker 2: Draft, so Luke, I literally just read them to you.

485
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Speaker 1: I didn't hear it. I'm sorry, I didn't hear it.

486
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Speaker 2: All right, I could read it back to you. We're

487
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Speaker 2: looking at minus one six two Vittori plus one thirty

488
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Speaker 2: six lead it.

489
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Speaker 1: Apologies, I didn't hear it. That's probably well, that's kind

490
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Speaker 1: of an interesting one. I'd be curious to hear what

491
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Speaker 1: longanan looks like. Betting pick is here. In other words,

492
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say this PC. I'm I'm torn because

493
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Speaker 1: on the one hand, the consistency of just getting out

494
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Speaker 1: there getting it done, what Deleads has done, and he's

495
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Speaker 1: got well rounded offense. He can grapple with you, he

496
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Speaker 1: can strike with you to a degree as well.

497
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Speaker 2: He's a bigger puncher, bigger puncher.

498
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Speaker 1: Bigger puncher. I think that's also true. And uh, I

499
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Speaker 1: understand that. I think that's a totally reasonable thing. Here's

500
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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. What I'm hung up on is

501
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Speaker 1: that I do believe that, at least in terms of potential,

502
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Speaker 1: the Tory should or could have a higher ceiling. What

503
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to actualize it. And

504
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Speaker 1: so that's where like, that's why I'm saying. You know,

505
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Speaker 1: if you go back and you watch their first fight.

506
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Speaker 1: We didn't really talk about this, but if you watch

507
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Speaker 1: their first fight, there's nothing interesting about it. It's a

508
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Speaker 1: fine fight, but it's whatever.

509
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Speaker 2: There's a little bit back and forth with the punching there.

510
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Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, not a technical thriller, is

511
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Speaker 1: what I would say.

512
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Speaker 2: Just I love that term. Oh, I love that term. Yes, yesesday.

513
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Speaker 1: Just a fine fight. It happened, It was whatever. But

514
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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say here is I

515
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Speaker 1: keep waiting, maybe stupidly, I keep waiting for Vittori to

516
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Speaker 1: finally turn that corner, and there's so many factors where

517
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Speaker 1: he actually does have the win that is back. I

518
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Speaker 1: want to see what happens on Saturday. So I'm actually

519
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Speaker 1: gonna lean Vittori and he won the first time. I'm

520
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Speaker 1: gonna lean Vittori. But I get having some faith in

521
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Speaker 1: Delidze as a bit of a wild card here.

522
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Speaker 2: Long isn't look if Dolidze's cardio is not an issue

523
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Speaker 2: in this five round fight, that could be a big if.

524
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Speaker 2: We'll see if that's the case. Who do you like

525
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Speaker 2: in this one and why I.

526
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Speaker 5: Think Regardless, I like Delidze. I'm not trusting Vittoria after

527
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Speaker 5: the layoff. Also, I was talking to Luke about this

528
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Speaker 5: pre show. If you go to MMA Decisions right now,

529
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Speaker 5: more than half of the media members scored the fight

530
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Speaker 5: for Deledze, including a couple of thirty twenty sevens in

531
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Speaker 5: favor of Deleading.

532
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Speaker 2: Oh really really, yep, I had one.

533
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Speaker 5: I remember, yeah, I exactly BC. I remember watching it

534
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Speaker 5: live and thinking to one delite as well. So given

535
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Speaker 5: that I think he won the first fight, you're giving

536
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Speaker 5: me him at dog odds here. I took him at

537
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Speaker 5: plus one thirty six like a week ago, so that

538
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Speaker 5: line really hasn't moved at all.

539
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Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I'm riding with Deeds on this one.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. I don't think any of that sounds crazy

541
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Speaker 1: to me.

542
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: Can't take him down, and it's more of a kickboxing match.

543
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Speaker 2: If de Leeds's got the fuel, I think you can

544
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Speaker 2: do it here. But it is interesting matchmaking, you know.

545
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Speaker 2: I don't love it as a main event. I don't

546
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Speaker 2: necessarily love the fight. I kind of like the personalities

547
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Speaker 2: the fighters themselves, but I got questions for both, so

548
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: this will be interesting. We do have more sound from Vitty.

549
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: Did he accept this fight thinking it was a different opponent.

550
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Speaker 1: It's not sound, it's just a graphic. Yeah.

551
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Speaker 6: Lol.

552
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Speaker 1: This whole time I thought it was Roman copy love,

553
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Speaker 1: but it's a Roman deal.

554
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Speaker 2: Oh oh my god.

555
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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm just like very different opponents, very different opponents.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Time I thought I was fighting John Jones. Turns

557
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: out is John coppenhavior. You know, probably there's no difference, right,

558
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: same thing, All right, there we go. One more piece

559
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Speaker 2: of sound, though, is the leads A. Let's hear from

560
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: him in terms of what could be different this time

561
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Speaker 2: around for him looking to avenge that first defeat against.

562
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Speaker 8: A tour were not lose, don't change nothing in me.

563
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Speaker 8: That doesn't define who I am. That's why it is

564
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Speaker 8: another fight and as always ready, this is mindset not

565
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 8: only for fight, this is my mindset for life. I

566
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 8: was very happy. I didn't expect that UFC will offer

567
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 8: me exactly this fight. But I'm glad because a lot

568
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Speaker 8: of people have questions after our last fight, and I

569
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Speaker 8: also think they didn't lost my previous fight with Marvin.

570
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Speaker 8: I want that fight, and I think this fight give

571
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Speaker 8: answers to all questions.

572
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Speaker 3: What everybody have.

573
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Speaker 8: No, I think I'm a little bit different fighter than

574
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Speaker 8: before than that fight. Back then I was fighting more

575
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Speaker 8: with anger, But now I am am more confident and

576
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 8: I more understand what I need to exactly do to

577
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 8: do to win fight. I think Marvin is very durable fighter.

578
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 8: He have a good heart going forward. Unfortunately that last

579
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 8: fight he didn't go forward with me. He was stepping back.

580
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 8: But I still think that he's a great fighter. Of course,

581
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Speaker 8: it's a little bit different preparation, but it's more understanding.

582
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Speaker 1: You get the idea.

583
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do get the idea there. He's very happy

584
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: these days compared to fighting angry in the past. Maybe

585
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: it's two kids, happy situation at home. We did see

586
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: on Cheyenne's Instagram stories three years ago on New Year's

587
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Eve that Roman was on the balcony just firing off

588
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: hand weapons. Looke. Just that must be Georgian culture right there.

589
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It's certainly an interesting one.

590
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: What I will say, b C is all an interesting

591
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: stat If you combine all of the Leeds's losses and

592
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Speaker 1: all of a Tori's losses, I believe this is correct.

593
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: They're all decisions. Neither has ever been stopped. So an

594
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: interesting possibility here at which I don't expect. I don't

595
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: expect this, But an interesting thing is because again Vittori's

596
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: got a really good chin and Delize is very offensive.

597
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: It makes it hard for this to get stopped. But

598
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: if somebody does get stopped, it would be it would

599
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: be quite novel.

600
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if Vittori gets stopped here, that's a that's

601
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: a you know, his career is going in the wrong

602
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: direction fast, so I would.

603
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: Agree that would be that would be For Delzea to

604
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: get stopped would be bad. But again he's closer to

605
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: forty than he is thirty. For Vittoria to get stopped

606
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: would be I think quite quite destructive.

607
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: Do we feel like? Look at rankings wise coming into

608
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: this fight, we currently have Vittori at number eight at middleweight,

609
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: roman Delize at number twelve. How far does the winner

610
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: go here? Top five, top five fight?

611
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: I think bubble top five. I think okay. If Vittori wins,

612
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: even though the opponent is ranked twelve, especially if it's

613
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: really exciting, I think he's got a chance to break in.

614
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: But I think if delidse wins. It's know, he's probably

615
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: just gonna take something approximating, give or take what Vittri

616
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: currently occupies. So it really kind of depends.

617
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Are we over looking the momentum of Georgian UFC fighters

618
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: at the moment?

619
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they are quite good.

620
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: Does it rub off? Does it just rub off on people? Luke?

621
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: They are good, they are excellent, but they've also hit

622
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: roadblocks too. I thought gerham Kute Deladze was going to

623
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: be the next big thing and that didn't quite that

624
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: didn't quite work. So we'll see, we'll see there. I mean,

625
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: these these these these people are tough as shit. I

626
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: mean we do know that, right.

627
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about this undercard. It may be a

628
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: short conversation. Look, I mean we we hit it on Monday.

629
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: This is would you say, irreparably bad? I mean, it's

630
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: just it's not even mid It's just like you just

631
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: don't need it, you.

632
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Know, not irreparable, not irreparable. There is one Okay, so

633
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: if someone was like, what is the other fight on here?

634
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: You absolutely have to watch there. There is one clear

635
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: choice for me on this one, and it's actually gonna

636
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: be on I believe. On the prelims. If I'm looking

637
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: at this correctly, I have to double check, but it's

638
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: a guy who initially lost on the Contender Series, came

639
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: back and won spectacularly. Twenty three year old kid out

640
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: of Argentina, Kevin va Jehos again, as my wife would say,

641
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Va Jehos, but nevertheless, Kevin Vaejos out of Argentina.

642
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: He's taken on Siung Wu CHOI. This will be his

643
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: full on for Yehos. It'll be his full on UFC debut.

644
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: And if you haven't watched this kid, first of all,

645
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: when he fought Jayon Silva, he was twenty one, Silva

646
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: was twenty six. I believe I look this up earlier

647
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: this week. And then if you know, it's he was

648
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Speaker 1: still working on his development through the whole thing when

649
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Speaker 1: he came back on the Contender Series and fought this dude,

650
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Speaker 1: I think his name was Tigue, whatever it was. It

651
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: this ginger with the with the afro. I mean, Kevin

652
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Speaker 1: Villejos could not have looked better if he tried unbelievable

653
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Speaker 1: boxing combinations in the pocket, out of the pocket, smart

654
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Speaker 1: decision making. He looked like he was shot out of

655
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Speaker 1: a cannon. This should be a really, really, really fun fight.

656
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Speaker 1: Fourteen and one, the Argentine is BC. That is definitely

657
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: one of the young prospects on this roster you're gonna

658
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Speaker 1: want to pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot of Seriously, I've heard a

660
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Speaker 2: lot of great things about him Long Island. Luke, You've

661
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: made your place in this industry on caring about these

662
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: type of fights. I'm creating betting parlays of why people

663
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Speaker 2: can combine to demand black sheear with a Priscilla catcawera

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Speaker 2: and make some money. What are you looking at on

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Speaker 2: this undercard besides absolute slot?

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Speaker 5: Uh well, Luke just mentioned Kevin Vallejos. I do have

667
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Speaker 5: him in a parlay. I think he looks damn good

668
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Speaker 5: and you mentioned demon Blacks here. I mean, just parlay

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Speaker 5: those two together, add on a little Zalizi Eliza's er

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Speaker 5: Leski dos Santos.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right there.

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Speaker 2: Plus could be a banger, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like the odds are a little close

674
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Speaker 5: on that one. I feel like ZDS way better fighter

675
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: than Chitty and Jokwani. Also in Jokuani been taken down

676
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Speaker 5: in all of his career losses. ZDS is definitely a striker,

677
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: but he has taken down five different opponents.

678
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: I see him just mixing it up, taking him down.

679
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Speaker 1: You got to you gotta read on Hernandez and Hollibah.

680
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Speaker 5: I am riding with Hernandez for this reason and this

681
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: reason alone. He's lost four of his last six, but

682
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: three of those were at featherweight. This fight will be

683
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: at lightweight, where he's won three of his last four

684
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Speaker 5: and the only loss was to moy Kano.

685
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Speaker 4: So like he's not losing the scrubs, he's losing.

686
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: The top fifteen guys. Kurt Hallibah, I mean, who's he fighting?

687
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 5: Canaan Krushevsky? Yeah, I mean who the fuck is that?

688
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Speaker 1: You know?

689
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Speaker 4: So I'm I'm riding with.

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Speaker 2: For all these guys are Yeah, look, demon Blackshair reminds

691
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: me of this guy in New Haven who used to

692
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Speaker 2: sit out front of the analyifies bar and quote Shakespeare

693
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: and everybody called him Black Spear, and he would always

694
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Speaker 2: be shirtless, would be like spouting off with like a

695
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: British accent, like these these Shakespeare lines, and it was

696
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Speaker 2: always very poetic, and I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: What's he doing? Now?

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Speaker 2: What'd you say?

699
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Speaker 1: What's he doing.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would hope the same thing, entertaining folks, spreading

701
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Speaker 2: the good word, the good joy of Shakespeare. And you

702
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Speaker 2: know it's is that that could be a racist story,

703
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Speaker 2: though I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Favorite Shakespeare play of Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: The Merchant of Venice.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, there we go. All right. I was just

707
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Speaker 1: testing to see if you knew.

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Speaker 2: Any But no, I did that one, I did Hamlet.

709
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Speaker 2: I didn't go too deep on Shakespeare, not surprisingly given

710
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Speaker 2: my public school system and upbringing.

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Speaker 1: But I went to public school too, Tell me about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably went to a different kind of public

713
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Speaker 2: school though you were in dirt back Georgia, in different.

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Speaker 1: What was so, dude? You can okay, So, like when

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Speaker 1: you have a child, you have to look this up.

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Speaker 1: go to good schools, absolutely not.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: I appeared on his YouTube channel yesterday and he did

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Speaker 2: make mention about you know he would like if you

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Speaker 2: texted him back once in a while. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean I do.

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Speaker 1: Text him back once in a while, just not as

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Speaker 2: All right, well, Luke, we got another topic for you

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Speaker 2: action that we put out on was it Monday's MK

771
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Speaker 2: episode in response to the UFC three thirteen pay per view,

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Speaker 2: not just Alex Pereira's upset or not upset, but loss

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774
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Speaker 2: as the TKO era, the Endeavor era increases with power

776
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Speaker 2: and momentum, is the UFC battling not only a star

777
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: power issue, but maybe a change in philosophy that is

778
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Speaker 2: spurring this if it is true. We put out the

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Speaker 2: call to you using our email address Morning Coombat at

780
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Speaker 2: gmail dot com, and as we mentioned off the top

781
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Speaker 2: of the show, we got an interesting mix of opinions, reviews,

782
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: hopefully some insults there, Luke, why don't you take this over?

783
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So here's how this is gonna go, by

784
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: the way. One thing that we kind of well, kind

785
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: of one thing that we definitely messed up one. First

786
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Speaker 1: of all, let me just say one more time thank

787
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Speaker 1: everybody who responded. We cannot get to all of them.

788
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: It was simply too much in number. Also for next time, BC,

789
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: here's what we have to do. We didn't do it

790
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: this time. We got to put a word limit on

791
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: it and a video length limit on it because we

792
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of video. We got a lot of videos,

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00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: which was awesome, but some of them are like ten minutes, Like,

794
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: we just don't have time to play a ten minute

795
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: video on the show has to be like two minutes

796
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: or less. We'll set that up for next time. But

797
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: here's how this is gonna go. I have read some

798
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: of these responses, but I haven't heard any of the

799
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: video responses. So what we're gonna do is we're just

800
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: gonna go through as many as we can, and then

801
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: if some of them challenge you, some of them challenge me,

802
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: some of them challenge both. But again, one more time,

803
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: we as BC indicated we've been wondering what the problem

804
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: is with the UFC Star machine such that there even

805
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: is one? What about the water down cars? Is there

806
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: something missing here? And I know a lot of fans

807
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: see the product differently, so we said, this is your

808
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: chance to tell us what we're missing, almost like a

809
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: more thoughtful dead wrong all the way through. But we'll

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Speaker 1: have some debate about it as well.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll have a lot of male viewers here.

812
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: And do we have any submissions from women? I don't

813
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: think we do. I think it's all dudes.

814
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, real sausage Fest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mka, the sausage Fest. It's gonna be great. All right.

816
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: With that in mind, BC, let's get this party started

817
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: if we can. So. Our first response, and again we

818
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Speaker 1: may not watch the whole thing depending on the length,

819
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Speaker 1: but our first response comes to us from Clayton. It's

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Speaker 1: a video.

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Speaker 3: What's up, Luke, and BC just wanted to hop on

822
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: you guys, ask for some responses on kind of the

823
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: star power and if there's something that is maybe different

824
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Speaker 3: based on kind of the younger demographics. So to give context,

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Speaker 3: I'm twenty eight years old, white guy, live in a

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Speaker 3: predominantly white area, and one of the biggest things that

827
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Speaker 3: I've seen when I came to the sport, I viewed

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00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: it as I was always into combat sports. I was

829
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: started coaching kickboxing and then just fell in love right like,

830
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Speaker 3: so watch almost all the cards stay very much in

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Speaker 3: tune with kind of what's going on. One of the

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00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: big things with the progression that I've seen at least

833
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: within my sphere, is that a lot of young people

834
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Speaker 3: don't watch the sport for the sake of the sport.

835
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Speaker 3: They watch the sport for the sake of personality. So

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Speaker 3: when you're thinking about the biggest kind of content that

837
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Speaker 3: people can watch in the era of personalities and streamers

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00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: and these big kind of very polarizing kind of people,

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Speaker 3: they watch for that, they don't watch for the sport

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00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: for more necessarily in combat sports, like I work out

841
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Speaker 3: a place where we look and we put on USC

842
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Speaker 3: events for the guys. We put them on a big

843
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Speaker 3: screen for the guys to come watch. So many people

844
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Speaker 3: showed up for Sean Strickland and DDP. They did not

845
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Speaker 3: care almost about any of the other fights. All they

846
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Speaker 3: wanted to see was Sean Strickland just because he was

847
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Speaker 3: a personality and he somehow speaks to their views in

848
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Speaker 3: some capacity which for me irreparable, but whatever. None of

849
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Speaker 3: them watched this last card with Michael Madon, Clive and

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Speaker 3: Polton zero grand total because they don't with the personalities

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Speaker 3: of the people. They want that. They don't want a

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00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: good product with good sport. They want the clips and

853
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: the outrageous stuff and the things that they think are funny,

854
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Speaker 3: and that's just my experience with them, right, the only

855
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Speaker 3: people Okay, yeah, BC, your reaction.

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Speaker 2: So this does play into the ideal that people have

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Speaker 2: had that it has been a calculated shift on UFC's

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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: part in terms of what audience they're going after. Obviously,

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00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: everybody wants to go after young male between eighteen and

860
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Speaker 2: thirty four, whatever your metric is, and they're aggressive in that.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many of my kids, high

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00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: school friends or kids in my neighborhood here that are

863
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: in college that are suddenly out of nowhere UFC fanatics

864
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: and are watching this show and liking it and stuff.

865
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: So I think that everything from the aggressiveness of putting

866
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: politics to the forefront and having Trump and Kid Rock

867
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: and Tucker Carlson and all that, to the choice that

868
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: they're making in the specific celebrities and influencers that they're

869
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: not only you know, giving front row seats to which

870
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: you know happens in boxing too, and you're always gonna

871
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: want famous people there, but specifically the ones that are

872
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: almost becoming the journalists of this era. I agree with him,

873
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: they are aiming at a specific lifestyle, feel culture, and

874
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised when he said Sean Strickland is a

875
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: guy that people really wanted to see but didn't really

876
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: care about the rest of it. That's kind of always

877
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: in some way. That's why to me, big super fights

878
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: matter or what have you, because it's always something that

879
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: pulls people in. It doesn't address the quality issues to

880
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: their product, which I think is helping them not retain

881
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: fans over time, especially the recent run. But I love

882
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: that Clayton took the time to get you know, he's

883
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: not a he's a hardcore fan, you can tell, but

884
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: gave us that look into him. And also ginger Beard,

885
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: game strong Clayton, but him telling us as a disclaimer

886
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: that he's a white guy.

887
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Debate dude, yeah Clayton, Clayton, we know, we know, yeah yeah,

888
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: but in all seriousness, a thoughtful response. I guess the

889
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: one thing I would say to that is that sounds

890
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: like a Sean Strickland fandom thing less than it does

891
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: an overall fandom thing. In other words, like because he's

892
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: made his identity so much function of his political and

893
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: social worldview, it's it's almost like he's pulled like the

894
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: dynamic of fandom that he enjoys is separate from the

895
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of broader fandom question that we're having. I think

896
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: there might be something to that, but nevertheless, a thoughtful

897
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: reply you see if you can, I want to there's

898
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of these. I want to get through as

899
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: many as we can, so we think him all right,

900
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Our next one, I don't know if it's Lionel or

901
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: as my wife would say, Lionel, but Lionel. Lionel has

902
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: a video response as well.

903
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: Hello gentlemen, Lionel Rivera here.

904
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 9: I pretty much agreed Luke with pretty much your entire

905
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 9: assessmentsampion by champion, but BC, I did have a little

906
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 9: bit of an issue with your framing of the argument, right,

907
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 9: this argument about the UFC having maybe a star problem,

908
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 9: of boring champion problem, whatever you want to call it.

909
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 9: I think too much blame was put onto the UFC.

910
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying that the UFC delivers a perfect product.

911
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 9: The UFC can do tons of things to improve the products, right,

912
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 9: Fewer APEX cards, probably fewer events per year. I think

913
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 9: that there's a lot the UFC can do. However, some

914
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 9: agency needs to be reapplied to this cohort of champions.

915
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 9: We are not seeing the same urgency with especially this

916
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 9: current cohortive champions that we did see with previous champions

917
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 9: like Alexander Bolgkanowski and Israel at Assigna that did media

918
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 9: outside of their fight camp, fight week obligations to build

919
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 9: rapport with the fans, to put their personalities out there.

920
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 4: We're not seeing that with this current cohortive champions.

921
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 9: I think that that contributes to perhaps your interpretation of

922
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 9: the soldest product, because if a champion is only relying

923
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 9: on embeddeds and countdowns to build any report with the audience,

924
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 9: we can't really expect there to be any buzz or

925
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 9: any anticipation four or five six months out of a

926
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 9: big champion, a big championship fighter, even just a routine

927
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 9: title defense. We're not going to experience that excitement if

928
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 9: we don't even know them, and we can't just put

929
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 9: all of the agency on the UFC to make us

930
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 9: care about the champion. The champion has to want to

931
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 9: build a deeper report with the audience, and that starts

932
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 9: with their own channels.

933
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: Your response, Yeah, this is a thoughtful response right there.

934
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: It makes me ask a counter question in light of

935
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: what I've been saying about I guess the laziness if

936
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: you want to call it that, or maybe it's just

937
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: a financial decision not to do the same efforts of

938
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: the past. And I even have to wake up and

939
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: realize that when I'm talking about the past and the

940
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: way UFC used to spend money to aggressively promote new

941
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: champions and get them out there, we were under a

942
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: different time when it comes to social media, streaming and

943
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: the roles at all this play. In light of what

944
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: Lionel said right there, I do wonder, Luke, does the

945
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: UFC look at it? Not just me? When I say

946
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: look at I mean their decision not to market and

947
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: pay for the money aggressively to do these type of

948
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: media tours or what have you. Is that because of

949
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: how much social media has changed the fact that so

950
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: many fighters do have their own systems now to get

951
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: out there, whether it be a YouTube channel, camera crews

952
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: following them, more aggressive and understanding use of social media.

953
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: Is this the UFC's way of saying, in a lot

954
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: of ways, times have changed, We'd love to save this money.

955
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: It is, to Lionel's point, to some degree, up to

956
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: these guys to get out there and market and promote themselves.

957
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: I will put some responsibility in their way, but how

958
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: much do you believe the changing of the social landscape

959
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: effects this?

960
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: I actually think it's a much bigger conversation because, first

961
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: of all, I think his point as well taken. People

962
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: think this conversation is like, oh, what can the UFC

963
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: do better? And yes, obviously that's a big part of it.

964
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: But part of starmaking is, like, if not just part

965
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: of it, maybe principally about what the individual athlete does

966
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: and what kind of magnetism they have with the audience

967
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: that is aided by a capable promotion and that is

968
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: a very very important condition. But again, it all starts

969
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: with like is this person a magnetic personality? Is this

970
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: person interesting to audiences? And then how do you get

971
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: them in front of maximum audiences and blah blah blah. Right,

972
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: so it's a bit of a handshake deal with one

973
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: having more of a responsibility than the other. At the

974
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: same time, though, bec like this is something we haven't

975
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: really talked about, Like, yeah, you're right, Like fighters have

976
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: YouTube channels and they have podcasts. It's like, also everyone's

977
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, even with the extra content. It's

978
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: actually what's interesting to me is the extra content part

979
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: of it is actually harder than ever, even though you

980
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: have more options than ever, because there's so much homogeneity

981
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: in terms of what everyone just does the whole way through.

982
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: And in fact, it's kind of interesting that one of

983
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: the we talked about Sean Strickland, whatever your reviews of

984
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: him one way or the other, like, he does have

985
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 1: an audience that is very, very magnetized to him, and

986
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: he does spout a lot of opinions. And I know

987
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: he had a podcast for a little while with Chris Curtis,

988
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: but that fell to the wayside. I'm pointing out he

989
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do any of that stuff, and there yet still

990
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of is maybe even a much bigger appeal a

991
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: relative to some other folks in the UFC for him.

992
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a more complicated debate than than

993
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: just you know, whose responsibilities as the fighter or the

994
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: athlete in a world where what's available to the athlete

995
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: is Yes, there's a lot of it, but it's very

996
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: difficult to stand out when there's just this tidal wave

997
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: of existing content.

998
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I still feel like in the end, the

999
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: UFC is not making the effort to make the fighters

1000
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: the stars in general. I mean, you can't. You have

1001
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: to be able to concede that.

1002
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Here, here's what I would say. This is the way

1003
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: I would describe it. And this is something that hasn't

1004
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: come up yet, but I kind of wanted to pitch

1005
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: it to you as a little bit of here. If

1006
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: you came up watching MMA at the time that we did,

1007
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: and you watch them grow and they absorb Pride, and

1008
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: they absorbed Strike Force, and they absorbed WEC, and they

1009
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: just grew and grew and grew, and they went white

1010
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: knuckle with Affliction, they went white knuckle with you know,

1011
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: Elite XC, they went white knuckle with IFL, they went

1012
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, they just were I mean, they were absolutely

1013
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: ferocious competitors, ferocious promoters. It is hard not to notice

1014
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: that that doesn't happen today, in part because there's just

1015
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: not the same kind of competition. They're not at the

1016
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: same stage of development. There's just not as much of

1017
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: a need quite honestly, and in terms of that kind

1018
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: of adversarial approach to the industry. But it's also at

1019
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: the same time, like if you watch them do this,

1020
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: it is hard not to notice that just doesn't happen

1021
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: anymore at the same time. BC, Here's where I come down.

1022
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: This is the kind of lesson that I've learned through

1023
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: all of this, and we don't will have many more

1024
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: responses here. It's that I remember during the pandemic that

1025
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: I my wife convinced me to buy one of those

1026
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: monthly services where they send you a box of clothes

1027
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: and you can keep what you like and then the

1028
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: back what you don't, and then just you know, you

1029
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: tell them what you like and then a stylist picks

1030
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: it out and you get another box, and you get

1031
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: another box, and you get another box. Right. And I

1032
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: ultimately only did it for like two months because I

1033
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: hated everything that they sent. But the point I'm trying

1034
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: to make is you just it's just a surprise, like

1035
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: whatever just arrives in the mail. You know, maybe you'll

1036
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: like some of it, maybe you won't. You keep what

1037
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: you do and you move on. It seems to me

1038
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: like if you came of age, either during the pandemic

1039
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: or slightly after, and all you know is a world.

1040
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Whether the UFC has you know, forty two forty three

1041
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: events per year, they have a different relationship to the

1042
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: product you see their relationship is. Hey, you just turn

1043
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday morning or morning, sorry, evening, or whatever the

1044
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: time is, and maybe you like the fights, maybe you don't.

1045
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they're good, maybe they're not. You got the one

1046
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: special one each month and the rest of them, you know,

1047
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: just to surprise box that arrives in the mail. That's

1048
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: not our experience, but it is theirs. And there do

1049
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: appear to be a lot of people that seem to prefer,

1050
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: not prefer, but certainly enjoy the way in which they interface,

1051
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: even wasn't the way that we came up.

1052
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree with that. I also

1053
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: think that that to a lot of people, they couldn't

1054
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: like like like what said in these two videos already,

1055
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: like they're not worried about the business's financial future or

1056
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: anything like that. Right, we look at it from more

1057
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: of a ten that we're from a trend that we're

1058
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: almost like critical gatekeepers of trying to make sure that

1059
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: not only things are done ethically, but are done in

1060
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: a sense that's you know, lifting up the sport and

1061
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: growing in that regard. So I get that if this

1062
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: is your Saturday entertainment routine, if you connect with the vibe,

1063
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: then that's why there's so many people that sort of blindly,

1064
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: you know, protect UFC and defend them on these type

1065
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: of topics. I do get that, but that's the whole

1066
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: point though. To them, it's the brand that they love,

1067
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: and that's, you know, obviously what UFC would prefer so

1068
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: many of us. Maybe it's maybe it's different because you know,

1069
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: of my of our age group where like eighties kids

1070
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: that came from pro wrestling, it is about personality and

1071
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: storyline and truly making you care. But interesting conversations just

1072
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 2: the same. Let's hear another dog. I gotta see someone's

1073
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: face here.

1074
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: All right, very good, Well we have we have, we

1075
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Speaker 1: have an audio message. Next, this comes to us from

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Speaker 1: Josh M.

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Speaker 10: What's up, Fellas. I want to open up by quoting

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Speaker 10: the great George Costanzo when he said, without story, all

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Speaker 10: you have is masturbation. And I say that because I

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Speaker 10: agree with what BC said today on the show about

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Speaker 10: the UFC lacking storylines and developing stars and rivalries and

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Speaker 10: all that, and just you know, it's everything these days

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Speaker 10: just seems like about the bottom line, and there's this

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Speaker 10: and that and their new two V deal and just

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Speaker 10: making it super political. Anymore, and the way they treated

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Speaker 10: the media, and you know they're there, you know a

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Speaker 10: lot of the fighters. You know, I became a you know,

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Speaker 10: a really big fan of the sport, going all the

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Speaker 10: way back to the Chuck Liddel, Tito ortiz Ken Shamrock

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Speaker 10: rivalries back then in the mid two thousands, oh five,

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Speaker 10: oh six, whatever that was g Bjpenn and Matt Hughes.

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Speaker 10: I mean I bought eighty ninety percent of the pay

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Speaker 10: per views. I followed it, you know, listen to the

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Speaker 10: podcasts like you guys and Cole Maine event everything. Right now,

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Speaker 10: it's just like the product is like almost unrecognizable to

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Speaker 10: me anymore. I don't know any of these fighters. It's

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Speaker 10: everything's a paywall behind the paywall to watch it. It

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Speaker 10: is just it's a TKO and UFC has taken it

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Speaker 10: in a drastically worse direction for an old.

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Speaker 4: School fan like me.

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Speaker 10: Now I watch maybe fifteen to twenty percent of the

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Speaker 10: fights versus probably about ninety seven percent for eighteen plus years.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with b Okay.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's interesting right there, Luke, If you let

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Speaker 2: me jump in, she's definitely speaking to an extension of

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Speaker 2: this problem. Which is this this era of corporateness and

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Speaker 2: the whole you know, wal mortification of the UFC, and

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Speaker 2: that's that seems to be a TEA influence, and they're

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Speaker 2: already making those same changes in WWE, and that's part

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Speaker 2: of the fear, depending on which side of the line

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Speaker 2: you're on on this potential TKO boxing takeover, it's the

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Speaker 2: whole idea of just in my opinion, taking a lot

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Speaker 2: of that soul and personality out of it and being

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Speaker 2: more what we know they are about now, content filling

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Speaker 2: because ultimately that's who their masters are right now, the

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Speaker 2: broadcast deals they're trying to make and the government contracts

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Speaker 2: they're trying to create with major cities, putting the whole

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Speaker 2: TKO portfolio on the table. So I do kind of

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Speaker 2: completely agree with what he's saying right there. But something

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Speaker 2: kind of triggered my memory when he mentioned the era

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Speaker 2: that sort of sparked him, which seems to be the

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Speaker 2: tail end of that Randy Liddell Tito Shamrock era that

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Speaker 2: transitioned into the beginning of the GSP Anderson Silva and

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Speaker 2: sort of that first amazing modern pay per view killing

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Speaker 2: takeover era. And I wonder you know, we saw poets On.

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Speaker 2: If he had beaten Ankliev would have set the modern

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Speaker 2: record for most title defenses in a twelve month window

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Speaker 2: with four. Record you know is Tito Ortiz, who back

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Speaker 2: then was almost headlining consecutive pay per views on a

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Speaker 2: regular basis. Obviously they had less cards, they were stretched out,

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Speaker 2: but I think you could argue that when they had

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Speaker 2: less fighters back then, when they were more hungry and

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Speaker 2: fighting just for survival, it kind of in a way

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Speaker 2: had to be about the personalities, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: like pushing Shamrock into huge fights with his resume in

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Speaker 2: the WW crossover he had and all that, like Tito

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Speaker 2: Ortiz with the hunting to bad boy personality, Liddell. They

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Speaker 2: needed it back then, so they pushed it. These guys

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Speaker 2: fought off and they were in our face constantly. The

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Speaker 2: machine's too large for that nowadays. If you're really being

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Speaker 2: fair and honest, I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's a fair comment. I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: we get more critical voices than ones agreeing with us

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Speaker 1: for the purpose of the exercise. So if I may,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate Josh Emma's response, and in yours as well. BC.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear though if we can from another a video message,

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Speaker 1: this time from our friend Steve en.

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Speaker 11: Ball Island. Luke, my name is Steve Nullian. I thought

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Speaker 11: i'd send this in since you guys asked on your

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Speaker 11: last video talking about how we should send in videos

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Speaker 11: if we feel like you guys are missing anything in

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Speaker 11: the topic when it comes to creating new stars for

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Speaker 11: the UFC. I think one of the things that Luke

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Speaker 11: brought up that was actually outside of the subject of superstars,

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Speaker 11: but like later on in that same episode, was how

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Speaker 11: Mauricio Houfi and the Fighting Nerds have become like artists

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Speaker 11: in the sense of the word martial artists. They are

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Speaker 11: like bringing fire to the UFC. Every time they fight.

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Speaker 11: It's a must watch, right, And I think that's part

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Speaker 11: of the equation as to why the UFC isn't as

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Speaker 11: interested in marketing certain stars as much. They will market

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Speaker 11: certain fights, they will market certain values that they hold,

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Speaker 11: but I don't think they want to market people. I

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Speaker 11: think in boxing it's a lot easier to want to

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Speaker 11: create a superstar because there's so much competition. I'm pretty

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Speaker 11: sure Luke and Brian have talked about this before. There's

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Speaker 11: a lot of competition in boxing, like there's PBCWBC top rank,

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Speaker 11: there's Turkey, Like there's a lot of like independent moving

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Speaker 11: pieces always fighting for like smaller contract bids to keep

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Speaker 11: their boxers in their promotion, to give their boxers what

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Speaker 11: it is they want so that way they don't lose

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Speaker 11: out on that gate, that pay per view, whatever it is.

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Speaker 11: Whereas with the UFC, I think their deal with ESPN

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Speaker 11: has allowed them to kind of give less of an

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Speaker 11: effort toward the entire idea of creating superstars because they

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Speaker 11: get a set amount of money and because they underpay

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Speaker 11: their fighters, I think it's not as big of a

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Speaker 11: rush for them, like to create the next set of

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Speaker 11: superstars due to some of these like mitigating factors, Like

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Speaker 11: you have people like the fighting nerds who are doing

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Speaker 11: that marketing for them themselves. MMA fighters are a hungry breed.

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Speaker 11: I train at a gym, I have a few amateur fights.

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Speaker 11: I have guys who are climbing the rankings right now,

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Speaker 11: amateur pro whatever it is. And they are always hungry.

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Speaker 11: They are always working. They're always grinding, including like trying

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Speaker 11: to market themselves efficiently, trying to reach out to the

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Speaker 11: correct people, trying to ensure that they are going out

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Speaker 11: and getting the sort of support they need from like

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Speaker 11: sponsorships and whatnot, and maybe in the eyes of the UFC,

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Speaker 11: they don't see that as a priority because the fighters

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Speaker 11: are already putting in the legwork. A star is going

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Speaker 11: to break out at a start once. Like Alex Pahera

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Speaker 11: wanted to be a star. He just wants to fight.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't care about anything else really, Like the money

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Speaker 11: obviously is an important factor for him, but he wants

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Speaker 11: to fight, and so he created a stardom for himself.

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Speaker 11: He had this it fact right, And I think the UFC,

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Speaker 11: since they are kind of the only competition out there,

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Speaker 11: like pfla tour isn't really even competition. And that's just

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Speaker 11: the truth. You guys have talked about a lot or pflatur,

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Speaker 11: pfl whatever you want to call it, is trying to

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Speaker 11: constantly market themselves with the smart kids or announcers, the tournaments,

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Speaker 11: you know, a new way of looking at fighting, when

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Speaker 11: in reality, I don't think most people give a fuck

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Speaker 11: about looking at it as just like a new way

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Speaker 11: of fighting what people usually want.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see any response there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's really touching deep on the whole

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Speaker 2: idea that it's a content farm nowadays. That's their angle.

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Speaker 2: I think it does play into the idea of they

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Speaker 2: still want the brand and data and the vibe that

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Speaker 2: they're selling to be the appeal, to be the star.

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Speaker 2: But it all plays into it. Luke Steve n by

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Speaker 2: the way, who said he trains a bit, looks like

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Speaker 2: he knows where the gym is. Looks like his dms

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Speaker 2: probably fall. We don't get many of those in this

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Speaker 2: MKA fandom.

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Speaker 1: The thing you have to kind of like ask is

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Speaker 1: is not whether it's more content pharmish than it was before.

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Speaker 1: I mean just by like scope and size with Contender series,

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Speaker 1: Road to UFC, all the APEX stuff, I mean, all

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Speaker 1: the you know, the regular content calendar. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just obviously is more I mean just like inarguably more

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Speaker 1: than it was even you know, five ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: with all of those additions. The question is is that

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Speaker 1: a good thing? That's the issue. The issue is not

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Speaker 1: isn't happening? The question is is that okay? Is that good?

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Speaker 1: And the answer might change now BC let's move this along.

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Speaker 1: Those are our video and audio responses. We had some

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Speaker 1: other ones. Some of these videos were insanely long, we

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Speaker 1: just couldn't get to them. Next time, we'll put some

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Speaker 1: parameters on this. Okay, the BC, this comes to us

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Speaker 1: from our friend k You you might have seen him

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at a time or two and he writes quote.

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Speaker 1: So I think BC is overstating the issue. UFC have

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Speaker 1: never been great at promoting stars unless they already had

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Speaker 1: the IT factor, like Connor Ronda Brock. They tried pushing

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Speaker 1: Page van Zen and Stage and failed because they weren't

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Speaker 1: at that level. Patty Stall has a chance, but his

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Speaker 1: hype azant matched his skills. They now only really know

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Speaker 1: how to promote someone that brings controversy, like Sean and Colby.

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Speaker 1: UFC is a concern about the stars that generate pay

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Speaker 1: per view by since they aren't reliant on them. Stars

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Speaker 1: would be a bonus but not a requirement. This is

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Speaker 1: why they can charge three hundred dollars for the cheapest

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Speaker 1: seats at Newark no matter the main event. Until the

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Speaker 1: model starts losing money, they have no incentive to try

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Speaker 1: and make more stars. I want you to react BC

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Speaker 1: to the initial point, which was they were never great

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Speaker 1: at promoting stars. The guys that they had just already

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Speaker 1: had the IT factor.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting point because I think there's been some

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Speaker 2: really good podcasts that have come out in response to

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Speaker 2: the TKO Boxing News, which is aligned with this conversation

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Speaker 2: from the whole idea of this triple monopoly that TKO

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Speaker 2: is trying to achieve right here. And I heard some

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Speaker 2: really good opinions, whether it be Zach Arnold or Kidnaate

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Speaker 2: on the MMA Draw podcast or I love John s

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Speaker 2: Nash's work of late, especially when he was on Kurt

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Speaker 2: em Hoff's Boxing Esquire podcast, and what came out of

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Speaker 2: that is interesting thought. The whole idea that maybe in

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Speaker 2: line with this opinion that the UFC has never necessarily

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Speaker 2: been great at building stars and that a lot of

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Speaker 2: their stars arrived in some ways fully formed. When you

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Speaker 2: consider the takeover of the Pride roster, they merging with WEC,

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Speaker 2: the buy out of Strike Force, and et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you can push back on that

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Speaker 2: to some degree and look at the times that they

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Speaker 2: were struggling to survive and they certainly needed Liddell and

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Speaker 2: Ortiz and like I said earlier, like they needed those

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Speaker 2: guys to be active and be on their cards, and

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Speaker 2: they were so it was easy to push them as

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Speaker 2: your brand their personalities because it was. It seems a

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Speaker 2: little harsh to fully agree with the idea that they've

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Speaker 2: never been good at building stars or they have no

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Speaker 2: ability in that area. I don't agree on that pretty aggressively.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, to a large degree, like they've take chance.

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Speaker 2: They've taken chances on people and put money into people.

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Speaker 2: I remember they put a lot of money into Stepe.

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Speaker 2: He used to show up at ESPN a lot. So

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Speaker 2: it's happened before. You're not always going to get it

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Speaker 2: right as a promoter, right, it's the gamble you take

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Speaker 2: of which which horse are you going to back? But no,

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Speaker 2: I think in general they used to have a firm

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Speaker 2: grasp on how to do it, a method, a system,

1286
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: And like I said, maybe that's changed over times with

1287
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: the changes around us, but it's definitely changed in their

1288
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: philosophy and how much money they're willing to spend on

1289
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: doing it. They believe they've won the war already. So

1290
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: because they've won the war already and they're making money

1291
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 2: hand over fist, now they're just trying every possible way

1292
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: to squeeze out every every coin out of every couch cushion.

1293
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: That's that's the problem. That's that problem to me bleeds

1294
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: out in every category that we're talking about.

1295
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: You see, I just want to get back to the

1296
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: argument like, oh, they've never been good at promoting, Well

1297
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: then why are they so successful? Like this this is

1298
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: a non like why are there no stars coming out

1299
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: of I mean Dakota Ditcheva a little bit? But like

1300
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: why are there no stars coming out of PFL or

1301
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, even to an extent Bellatour, Like why why

1302
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: is it just so happened all the stars come out

1303
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: of UFC? And of course there's bigger economic reasons in play,

1304
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: but I just want to point out something once again, BC,

1305
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: you know this to be true, Like just take Connor

1306
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: McGregor as like the APEX example, not the current version,

1307
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: but the twenty sixteen version, right, Like, this is a

1308
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: guy who, clearly, by his own magnetism, is the one

1309
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: forcing the issue. Right, He's the guy that almost because

1310
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: he was so popular, it almost forced UFC to do

1311
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: that world tour and everything else that they mean they

1312
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: he you can clearly tell that in many cases and

1313
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: in particular his the dynamism of the individual athlete in

1314
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: play is clearly the most important factor. I mean, I

1315
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: just cannot overstate that, and in that sense I agree

1316
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: with K. But it is also true that an effective

1317
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: promoter knows how to use that and a bad, bad

1318
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: promoter knows and does bury that. You cannot really believe

1319
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: that bad promoters because like, if you have somebody who

1320
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: is naturally a magnet and they work with a bad promoter,

1321
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: is that going to maximize their personality? You're effectively saying

1322
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: the promoter just doesn't do anything. This is obviously nonsensical.

1323
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: It is clearly a handshake deal. In the end, while

1324
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: recognizing same with Rond de Rousey BC Olympic you know,

1325
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: metalist obviously bronze, but the Olympic medalist, she's coming out

1326
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: to Jones yet bad reputation like this, this whole way,

1327
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: You've never seen this kind of thing before. Clearly, what

1328
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: she represented and who she was played the biggest factor

1329
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: in her star development. But at the same time, the

1330
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: way in which they match made her, the way in

1331
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: which they were able to promote rivalries, yes, and to

1332
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: an extent, the way her rivals stepped up to make

1333
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: it even more so. Again, it's everyone working in concert,

1334
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: but you're telling me any promoter could have done that,

1335
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: because it just comes down to whether the fighter it

1336
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: decides we be a magnet to the public. Obviously not.

1337
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: It takes skilled promotion on top of that to make

1338
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: all of that work. I think it's I think it's

1339
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to say that they've never

1340
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: been good at it. They clearly have.

1341
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, yeah, you're right, you're right. And speaking

1342
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: of promoters, Luke, are you I don't know if excited

1343
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: is the word, but Oscar de la Hoya Teasday, particularly

1344
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: saucy clapback Thursday, that still has I don't believe it's

1345
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: arrived yet, in which he's he teased that he's going

1346
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: to bring up Dana White's wife beating issues in backstory

1347
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: and dig up a lot of dirt. Does that interest

1348
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: you at all for them to go down a dirty

1349
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: rabbit hole with each other?

1350
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: No, in part because he's probably just gonna punt on

1351
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: that and instead put on a thong and then gyrate

1352
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: and cavort his genitals in front of the camera again.

1353
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be.

1354
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: Real awful pretty much pretty much.

1355
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: You see. I'm gonna skip one here from Caleb V.

1356
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: But let's jump if we can around Luke to tyler Z.

1357
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: Tyler tyler Z says, quote, what up, donks? I think

1358
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: BC a strong point, and I think Luke's point of

1359
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: a lack of American talent is a huge factor. If

1360
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: you don't have an international star that transcends the American pride.

1361
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: UFC fans have or don't speak English. Sadly, storytelling is

1362
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: an issue. The only star they were really pushing and

1363
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: bet hard On I think he means the American one

1364
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: was O'Malley. The UFC never put out instant highlights. Excuse me.

1365
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: UFCE never puts out instant highlights, and when he finished

1366
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: Alija that was all over the internet. That's what I

1367
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: for sure. But besides him, there's nobody with a star

1368
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: personality or performance style to push. Peyton Talbot is a

1369
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: character to advertise and he could bounce back, but right

1370
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: now it's not looking good. And then he has nice

1371
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: things to say about the show BC. I will say this,

1372
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: the lack of English again, it's never a light switch

1373
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: on or off deal. For example, Anderson Silva didn't speak

1374
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: English through the vast majority of his run and it

1375
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't really seem to matter. Again, it took a long

1376
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: time for him to become a star. It did delay it,

1377
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: but in the end, yeah, but I'm saying in the

1378
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: end he was still able to certainly overcome it. At

1379
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: the same time, I believe, like Jose Aldo, never speaking

1380
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: English didn't necessarily help him, as he was really nable,

1381
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, except through the Connor thing, wasn't really able

1382
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: to connect. But again with fad Or, Fador didn't speak English,

1383
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: and at his prime it didn't necessarily matter. The What

1384
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is a lack of English proficiency

1385
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: can and often does play a role. It's just not

1386
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: by itself always the limiting factor.

1387
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. And I don't look

1388
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: at the American thing as a curse or something they

1389
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: did wrong. Sometimes that's the movement of the sport or

1390
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 2: the evolution of the sport. I don't you know. I

1391
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: don't damn them for putting Pereira in there with ankle Ive.

1392
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: In fact, I had been criticizing them for over a

1393
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 2: year for seemingly actively avoiding that. That just sometimes happens

1394
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: when you get pockets of nations that are hot and

1395
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: producing so many, so much talent, it'll definitely hurt if

1396
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: these fighters have a style that the mainstream would think

1397
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: is boring, mixed with maybe they don't speak English or

1398
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: they don't have Dyna personalities. But that's always a bit

1399
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: of a gamble too. Are they again spending the money

1400
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 2: and taking the time to promote that. I think that's

1401
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: a good argument. I had one other argument to ask you.

1402
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: They tend to promote the storylines, meaning UFC ahead of

1403
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: big pay per view fights. Definitely that they feel produce money.

1404
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: That's why, you know, DC versus John is arguably the

1405
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: greatest rivalry of all time because it was just such

1406
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: a soap opera we had to keep watching, especially when

1407
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: John would get in and out of trouble. That linked

1408
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 2: with that, and obviously Connor versus a Beab got to

1409
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, death stare threat levels of just insanity and intensity,

1410
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: and they certainly publicized Connor, you know, getting arrested throwing

1411
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: the dolly and used that as fuel, maybe in the

1412
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: same way as they're using this Bryce Mitchell thing as

1413
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: sort of propaganda fuel. But on the flip side, you

1414
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 2: can always argue that there's not as much money in

1415
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: promoting good news stories. It's why you're local newscast, right,

1416
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: you know you got to you got to wait twenty

1417
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: three minutes of the half hour to hear something good.

1418
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: It's always going to be the stuff that's gonna move

1419
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: and make people click or make people stay and watch,

1420
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: whether that's crazy weather coming or arrests or murders. I

1421
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 2: have criticized them softly over the years from this standpoint,

1422
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: they don't seem to really care or want to push

1423
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: that stuff in aggressive ways in which you spend money

1424
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: to do it. I felt like Francis had the best

1425
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: story ever, and it was almost a footnote to him.

1426
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: You know. The marketing for him was always he's MMA's

1427
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, He's got the hard you know, he's the

1428
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: MMA Deontay Wild. They're understandably so, but I never felt

1429
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: like they pushed that as a great story, and I

1430
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: don't feel like that's something that they are wired to

1431
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: look at as maybe just from the standpoint of black

1432
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: and white, it doesn't sell, but that goes a long

1433
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: way in humanizing athletes and getting you to really care

1434
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: and about them. Now, I know you can push back

1435
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: and say, well what about this instance where they did

1436
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: it or this instance I'm saying, largely in general, I

1437
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: don't feel like that's something they folk.

1438
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, let's go if we can here, I'm

1439
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: gonna move to Gabe C Brian Campbell greeting stalks. I

1440
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: was just listening to the UFC Star Problem segment and

1441
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: have some thoughts. Okay, this guy started watching in twenty

1442
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty sixteen, when the UFC had some of their

1443
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: best years. He writes, I agree that the UFC doesn't

1444
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: put in as much effort as they used to, and

1445
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: that there aren't as many big names as there used

1446
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: to be. I hate that they still use the apex

1447
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: and have zero much interest. He says. Inventory leads eight too. However,

1448
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: he writes, this is still a sport. At the end

1449
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: of the day, the UFC can't control who wins, and

1450
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: I don't believe the quality of fights and fighters have declined.

1451
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: I personally still enjoy watching fights just to see different

1452
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: styles and techniques clash, even if it's between fighters I'm

1453
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: not familiar with. MMA also moves so fast that stars

1454
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: can literally come out of nowhere. Nobody would have predicted

1455
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: Poeton success when he signed a few years ago. Nobody

1456
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: expected a twenty year old Max Holloway who lost his

1457
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: debut to go on and become a legend. I agree

1458
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: the UFC has gotten lazy, but I believe there will

1459
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,520
Speaker 1: always be enough talented fighters to make the sport watching

1460
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: and I don't see that changing. BC. What do you

1461
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: make of his optimism about it's just gonna take care

1462
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: of itself all over time.

1463
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: Well, I'll use that defense and what I just said

1464
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: earlier about the whole idea of there's not enough American

1465
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: charismatic champion. Sometimes that's a time and place thing and

1466
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: it changes with it. I definitely won't push back and

1467
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: say that now we're not seeing at the highest level

1468
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: the most sophisticated, talented, well rounded you know ev all fighters.

1469
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: We are that the sport grows over time. I mean,

1470
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: only boxing in some weird ways has aged in like

1471
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: a Benjamin Button way where you can make arguments that

1472
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: guys from sixty seventy years ago would mop up today. No,

1473
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: not an mma, I think though. That's not what we're

1474
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: complaining about and saying it's not the quality of the

1475
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 2: higher end guys. It's a their new style of what

1476
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: they promote and how much effort they do that. But

1477
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: also b. What's the effect of the Dana White Contender

1478
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 2: series assembly line factory at bringing too many people in

1479
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: that shouldn't be there or too early. And it's just

1480
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: this rotating wheel of the bottom forty percent of the

1481
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: roster is just so infinitely replaceable that you can't avoid

1482
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: or argue with the idea of we're seeing the highest

1483
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: most elite fighters ever. Also true on the highest level,

1484
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: but the levels change quickly in this and that's our

1485
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: problem when we tune in on a Saturday night and

1486
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: we're like one and a half of these fights around

1487
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: the level. The rest are sub level. And it's not

1488
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: to say that MMA and boxing have historically had younger

1489
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: fighters on the undercard or developing fighters. It's the it's

1490
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: how you do it. It's the machine at work. It's understandable,

1491
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: but there is a difference between who filled out the

1492
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: prelimbs ten years ago and the level and quality and

1493
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: experience of the fighters who are doing it today, and

1494
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: that regard it has gone in the wrong direction.

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. Just think about it

1496
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: this way, Like, if you've got the top, I'll say,

1497
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five fighters on the rosters, only fifteen

1498
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: or rank. But let's just say top twenty five people

1499
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: in each way class and obviously you know some are

1500
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: going to be in PFL, some are going to be

1501
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But basically you've got more or less the

1502
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: top twenty five be see. If you want to put

1503
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: them in fights all the time, you can do that.

1504
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: But if you want to grow the product, there's no

1505
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: other way to grow it except from twenty six to

1506
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: fifty or fifty one to seventy five or seventy six

1507
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: to one hundred. If you want more of the product,

1508
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: you can't grow it past the top ranked guys. Of course,

1509
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: you can find new talent, and getting by the way

1510
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: some of those twenty six to fifties and fifty one

1511
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: to seventy fives is actually pretty critical in order for

1512
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: the effective turnover to happen and for you know, the

1513
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: next set of fighters to come up. But it's not

1514
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: an all or nothing proposition. But the point I'm trying

1515
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: to make is there are more fighters in the UFC

1516
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: than there are players in the NBA, and the in

1517
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: basketball is much more of a global sport, Like when

1518
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: you're watching so many of seventy four versus eighty two

1519
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: it's it's not that there's not a place for that

1520
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: kind of a fight. It's just that we're talking about

1521
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: the premium brand engaging in sub premium MMA. And there's

1522
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with sub premium MMA. But you know, the

1523
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: NBA isn't pulling in people from your AAU teams or

1524
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: rec leagues or you know, just guys who haven't been

1525
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: playing very long. It's highly selective all the way through.

1526
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: Even the worst NBA teams would smoke the very best

1527
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: college teams. Like, there's not that line of separation with

1528
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: with the UFC product by virtue of the way in

1529
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: which they're trying to just grow the brand so expansively.

1530
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't have they're putting crap fights on

1531
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: pay per view cards. I'm not talking about the early

1532
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: part of the pay per view on the pay portion

1533
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: of the pay per view card. They're putting like random

1534
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: heavyweight versus random heavyweight. That's the shit that has to stop.

1535
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: You got to stand up against that kind of stuff.

1536
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: If I may, I think this is from roop h,

1537
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 1: I could be saying that wrong. I don't know he

1538
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: writes quote or she whoever quote building up superstars like

1539
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: Connor with press tours and creative creating massive hype of

1540
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: something a company would do when trying to get the

1541
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: maximum val you from a sale. BC. The presence of

1542
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: true superstars can be risky, but if you have a

1543
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: sale in mind, it absolutely will inflate the price. The

1544
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: Ferteinas gambled and it paid off massively. If they had

1545
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 1: been playing the long game, they too would have started

1546
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: to focus on maxing out the gates and the number

1547
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: of events. Those ESPN deals sure seem to create a

1548
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: constant stream of massive revenue, and it's all about predictable

1549
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: profits for these guys. Also, without building true superstars, the

1550
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: fighters don't have true leverage, which makes the costs aka

1551
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: fighter pay more predictable. For example, if Francis and Ganu

1552
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: had got the Connor treatment, pr wise, it would have

1553
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: been very difficult to let him go. Now the whole

1554
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: shit show has been swept under the rug pretty successfully,

1555
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: and then he does gets some bits there in the end.

1556
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: We appreciate the call b see, but this is the

1557
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: weird part. It's not even I disagree with that, but

1558
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: what they're trying to tell us is like, oh, well

1559
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is now and we're like, yeah, right,

1560
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: that's the problem. I don't certain people, it just seems

1561
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: want consistency and then some of us want punctuated, and

1562
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: it's there's just a hard reconcile between them.

1563
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, back to your original point on

1564
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 2: the first topic of this that we talked about the

1565
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 2: first submission, the video we watched about the idea of

1566
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: the life cycle of MMA fans and how you know,

1567
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 2: the fans that came in in the covid apex, you know,

1568
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: era don't know any better or this is what they

1569
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 2: like or this is what they expect. I do think

1570
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: that aligns with the beginning of Rupe's point with the

1571
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: sale in twenty sixteen, because if you ask anybody who's

1572
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: been in the journalism game a while, or fans you

1573
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: know that have been watching for more than ten years,

1574
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: we're all gonna say twenty sixteen, or maybe in particular

1575
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 2: that twenty fourteen to sixteen window, which did coincide perfectly

1576
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: with Connor McGregor's rocket launch, was just such a oh

1577
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: my god, the depth of cards, the excitement, the amount

1578
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,959
Speaker 2: of stars and personalities. Rondun Brock were still lingering, GSP

1579
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: and Silva Diaz Brothers. I mean, it was a special time,

1580
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 2: but Roupe might not be wrong that that the success

1581
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 2: of that and how much that equaled the entertainment level

1582
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 2: that came with that was so much more about that.

1583
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: The ultimate end goal for successful swinging corporate raiders like

1584
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: the Casino trained for Tita Brothers is to build up

1585
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: big enough that you can sell it for some astronomical figure.

1586
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: So for that era, I do have to be honest

1587
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: and say that era is almost like the steroid numbers

1588
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 2: era in baseball in the late nineties. It's like that

1589
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: era is just different in terms of how you have

1590
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: to look back at it and if you want to

1591
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 2: go even further. Okay, well, what about that two thousand

1592
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: and seven eight area where they were becoming such a

1593
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: breakout pay per view brand from the tail end of

1594
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 2: Ladell through Lesnar through eventually John Jones around the corner

1595
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 2: and the other stars Gesp and Silva. Well, that time

1596
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: they were hungry to become legitimized. That time was about

1597
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: not only are we doing better numbers than most big

1598
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: boxing pay per views outside of the really really big ones,

1599
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 2: but we want to get to where we're on network TV.

1600
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: Want to get to where we are a top story

1601
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: every day on Sports Center. So they had motivation, just

1602
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: like they had the same motivation around the time of

1603
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: the first Ultimate Fighter, Griffin Bonner one, to just stay

1604
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: alive financially and not go under. So I think you

1605
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,839
Speaker 2: do have to take light of what that era produced

1606
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: and the reasoning behind it in the financial reality of it.

1607
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 2: Right now is just a different game where they've already won.

1608
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: So it's starting to get to people that have endured

1609
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: it all, people that have seen it all like us,

1610
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: We're waiting for something to happen, and it's probably gonna

1611
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: have to be negative unless they sell off to somebody

1612
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: else for that culture shift to change. And maybe Roop's right.

1613
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: Maybe if Lorenzo and Frank were still here, they'd be

1614
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: milking every possible dime out of it. I feel like

1615
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: they'd have more pride because they seem to be more

1616
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: pure fight guys. But it all matters in the end,

1617
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: and maybe Roop's not wrong in that first point.

1618
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: Okay, we have a few more, but you know.

1619
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: BC, Yeah, hold on, I'm just fixing my thing. I

1620
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: thought you might respond, Luke, but you know.

1621
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: No, oh, sorry about that. No, I mean, I want

1622
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that we spend maximum time airing the

1623
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: viewpoints of our people who challenge us. You know what

1624
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean?

1625
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do challenge us, there's no question. Yeah, yeah,

1626
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: you know.

1627
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: They have a sweating is what they do.

1628
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: They do have a sweating. But luckily there is a

1629
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: cure for that. There is an anecdote for that. Luke,

1630
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1631
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1643
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1645
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1646
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do, BC. I'm looking at some of

1685
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: these responses, and in the interest of time and getting

1686
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: the right ones, let me bump down if we got

1687
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Speaker 1: if you can see it here BC to number twelve,

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Speaker 1: if we can go there. This is one that kind

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: of challenges us here pretty directly. Okay, this comes to

1690
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Speaker 1: us from Brandon Z. Brandon Z rights the following. I'm

1691
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: just gonna jump to point number one. Number one. I

1692
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 1: always feel like Luke and BC kind of missed the

1693
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: point in these conversations. I don't even really disagree. I

1694
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: just think UFC is so clearly a business, and the

1695
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: real issue is the conflict between what BC and to

1696
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: some extent, Luke want to cover versus what the reality

1697
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: of the business is. The whole point of the Aldo

1698
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,919
Speaker 1: McGregor World Tour is to drive pay per view purchases,

1699
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: which leads to an increased revenue, which leads to an

1700
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: increased profit, which leads to increased valuation. TKO Group just

1701
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 1: sees a different path to max out the valuation, and

1702
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: that's way less fun for Luke and BC to cover.

1703
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel like any of that is particularly controversial.

1704
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: Bec before we go to point number two. Your reaction there.

1705
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: You can always say that I mean I'm not. You know,

1706
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: we don't lie about our intentions. We are longtime fans

1707
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 2: of the sport, which is why we got into this profession.

1708
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 2: So there's that part of you that has a pride

1709
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: in ownership and a gatekeeping effect of wanting you know,

1710
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: this sport to keep growing or evolving or all those

1711
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 2: things mixed with you know, job control, wanting to feed

1712
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: our families, wanting this business to to the thrive and

1713
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,440
Speaker 2: be what it is in the sport, just the relevancy

1714
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: of the sport always growing. So it is a selfish

1715
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: way of looking at it in some way, but I

1716
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: also think it's looking out at the sport for the

1717
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 2: better of it. I get ultimately his key point there,

1718
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: and it's not that we've lost that point, the idea

1719
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: that their aim financially, which used to be about pay

1720
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: per views, is now about keeping multi year content you know,

1721
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: plans in full. So if there's a reason why we

1722
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: maybe aren't so aggressively fed the type of stuff that

1723
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: is catnip to us as fight fans that would get

1724
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: us fired up about fights, but that doesn't mean that

1725
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,440
Speaker 2: it's wrong from the standpoint of maximizing the entertainment experience.

1726
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean and this is the real right

1727
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 2: reason why it pisses me off and why why I

1728
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 2: probably you know, annoy people talking about it too much

1729
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 2: is because long term, you're turning away fans, ruining the experience,

1730
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: and removing the average hardcore, middle of the road fan

1731
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 2: from being able to even afford to do it so

1732
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: or to follow it, or to go to events and

1733
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: make vacations out of it as super fans do. That's

1734
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 2: those are the areas where I'm like, I've seen this

1735
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: happen before. I've never seen an industry greedier than boxing.

1736
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: All right, I've seen this happen before, and they could

1737
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: stop this, but the greed is ultimately where it's affecting things,

1738
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: and that sucks. That sucks.

1739
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Let me say this, there's a question of like not

1740
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: whether he's right, but whether this is inevitable, like this

1741
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: is the only way to do business, And it might

1742
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: be because he's sort of saying, well, well, this is

1743
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: just where we are, which technically true, but we're thinking

1744
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: about I have seen the UFC have to be ferocious competitors,

1745
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 1: but they don't have to be ferocious competitors anymore because

1746
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: they have total control in the industry. I think the

1747
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: point we're trying to communicate to the audience is this,

1748
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: Like people ask, what's the benefit of monopoly? Okay, one

1749
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: is that everything's under one umbrella. But the problem is

1750
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: they have no incentive to try harder, Whereas if there

1751
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: was a more robust competitive space, you would see what

1752
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: we used to see, which is them go you know,

1753
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: gas pedal to the floor, white knuckle with everyone, and

1754
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: like the quality difference you get. I think in situations

1755
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: like that is noteworthy. Back to point number two BC,

1756
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: he says, quote, back in my corporate finance days, we

1757
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 1: made a huge distinction between growth mindset and harvest the

1758
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: profits mindset. UFC used to be about growth. Now it's

1759
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: about harvesting the profits. If TKO followed BC's ideas, would

1760
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: that maybe get better top line growth? Yeah? Probably better

1761
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: long term health of the business almost certainly. But that's

1762
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: not how the TKO folks think about it. And to

1763
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: be clear, he says, he doesn't have inside info. He's

1764
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: just you know, he's been in this business. It's about

1765
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: quarterly goals, profit maximization to max value of the business

1766
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: in the line here and now focus on converting the

1767
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: UFC fan monoculture to the new boxing entity, to power slap,

1768
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: to grappling, whatever leverage the UFC brand to squeeze more

1769
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: money out of existing fans. Does that lead to smaller

1770
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: and less valuable entity in five plus years, Yeah, probably,

1771
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: But TKO folks will move on to bigger and better things.

1772
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: UFC will be someone else's problem to deal with.

1773
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is cage fighting. There was a feeling we

1774
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: used to have, and I'm not saying that a new

1775
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 2: generation isn't receiving that feeling in a different way and

1776
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,440
Speaker 2: thriving from it. I'm establishing here that there's an extreme

1777
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 2: amount of teenager and twenty somethings these days that are

1778
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: hardcore fans of this sport, and in reality, that's one

1779
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 2: of the most valuable ways of knowing your health and

1780
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: moving forward. Only I feel like it's all going to

1781
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: be cyclical and short lived from the standpoint because it

1782
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 2: got commercial when it was always the rebel. And I

1783
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: know they still present that they're still defenders of free speech,

1784
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 2: but you know, just whether you're you're on the side

1785
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: of them politically or not, it's too much politics. It's

1786
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: too much, you know. Cringey influencers. It's a lot of

1787
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 2: things now that it wasn't before. It was about fighting before.

1788
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: Okay, let me jump down to Schieto. Yeah, let me

1789
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: jump down to his last point if I maybe see

1790
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: because this is the one that's more interesting, and this

1791
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: is the one that I think is central to the

1792
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: entire debate. This is the one I picked up on

1793
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 1: as just really the difference now quote he writes, I

1794
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed the idea of weekly fight cards. I usually

1795
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 1: don't watch the cards, but if I'm home, I'll catch

1796
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: the main event. It's nice if I have nothing going on.

1797
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: It can be a nice way to fill a few

1798
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: hours in the background while I'm doing other stuff around

1799
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: the house. I'm a weirdo who likes to knock out

1800
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of reading during downtime and then pause my

1801
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: reading to watch the fights themselves. Then once the decision

1802
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: is read, I go back to reading until the next fight.

1803
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: I do that for most of the pay per views too,

1804
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: until the last few fights are on the pay per view.

1805
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: I've basically just adjusted the way I watched to deal

1806
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: with the way the UFC content is presented. Now. I

1807
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: don't really see it as a big issue for my

1808
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: fandom BCE. This is really where we're at on this one,

1809
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: and we just kind of have to admit people are

1810
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: going to have difference of opinions and we have to

1811
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: respect the audience here a little bit. Not that we

1812
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: have to agree with them, but we have to put

1813
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: ourselves in their shoes. They're just are people and appears

1814
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, it's hard to know. We don't

1815
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: have any raw data on this, but it seems like

1816
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: there's enough. We have to take it seriously that they

1817
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: just experience the product differently than we ever did and

1818
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: they're totally okay with it. And if they're okay with

1819
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: it and the UFC is okay with it, two old

1820
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: focks like us can bellyache about it, but they're never

1821
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: going to change and that's just the way things are done. Now.

1822
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: We kind of have to accept it to some degree.

1823
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean, but look at what it's

1824
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: actually doing, because this is the exact same experience I

1825
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: went through as a born again wrestling fan turned wrestling journalist,

1826
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 2: meaning pro wrestling from the stretch of like twenty sixteen

1827
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty. It essentially, you know, I mean, and

1828
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 2: that happens during certain eras of Vince McMahon's booking in WWE,

1829
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: and like the UFC having such a grip and power

1830
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: control over everything in the industry, so did Vince obviously

1831
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: in WWE. But like, you know, getting to that point

1832
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: where it's like it's cyclical, monotonous, not you know, the

1833
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 2: quality of the craft isn't the dedication isn't there. It's

1834
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: a business. It's blah blah blah. But where does that

1835
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: lead to? It led me to get out of the business.

1836
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: And maybe there's some that want me to hear in

1837
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 2: MMA two, but it's ripping our heart out as fans,

1838
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 2: Like that's the bottom line. Like we're talking a lot

1839
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: about money, and we can always bring the job security

1840
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 2: of journalism in there for us, and that's a big

1841
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 2: part of why we care so much. But it's always,

1842
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, rooted in fandom. Maybe

1843
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: it's great in fun as a fan right now just

1844
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 2: to experience it for this new generation for the first time,

1845
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: but we not only have experienced that in different generations.

1846
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 2: We experienced it with crossover superstars and rivalries that we

1847
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 2: still talk about today. That shit still matters when you

1848
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 2: remove that you remove the soul of your product and

1849
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: in place it's a corporate cash register. That's really the

1850
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: root in heart of this issue. It's why I mean,

1851
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there aren't fight fight, real fight

1852
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 2: people running the UFC. Still, I'm not saying that, But

1853
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 2: it's TKO's it's Endeavor now that's really running the show.

1854
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: And these aren't fight people, which is fine. You look

1855
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 2: credit to the UFC for getting to that level where

1856
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 2: they can be in a situation like this, But we

1857
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 2: rip PFL all the time because it's non fight people

1858
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: making fight decisions all the time.

1859
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 4: Let's be fair.

1860
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: The people that are really making decisions in UFC right

1861
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 2: now are financially trained people, not fight people. It's why

1862
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Dana White seems to have lost interest in the UFC,

1863
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 2: It's why he's throwing himself a power slap in such

1864
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 2: shameless ways, and why he seems to be set up

1865
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 2: now for almost day pivot full time into boxing. Even

1866
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: he the purest fight fan of us, all the guy

1867
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: we used to align with and cheer for as he

1868
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: was taking this ridiculous sport of fighting in a cage

1869
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 2: with almost no rules and was cleaning it up and

1870
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: bringing it out there to the messes. Well, it's been

1871
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: in the masses for a while and the character, in

1872
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 2: charm and integrity of it has been stripped away. Even

1873
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: he's kind of done with this. What does that say

1874
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: to you?

1875
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 5: Right?

1876
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe with the point. I'm looking

1877
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: at a bunch of these other ones, and it's a

1878
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: lot of the same points. But there is a good

1879
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: one here at the NBC from Corey P. It's the

1880
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: very last one. I think, long on Luke Corey P

1881
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: by the way from Valdosta, Georgia. So shouts to him, Wow, yeah,

1882
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: not much else to do in Valdosta, but watch himma,

1883
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, But neither hear nor there. All right,

1884
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: here we go. He has a few points and he

1885
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: really takes us to task here. Okay, one he kind

1886
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: of agrees quote there used to be a lot more

1887
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: big North American stars GSP, John Jones, Bjpenn blah blah

1888
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: blah bah. He goes on. I won't keep going, but

1889
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,480
Speaker 1: you get the picture. Islam is a huge star overseas.

1890
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Shot Cut seems to have a huge following. Jong Wy

1891
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: Lee is a huge star in China. So I think

1892
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: some of what we're feeling is a lack of North

1893
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: American stars, not overall stars. I definitely think this is true.

1894
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can really disagree with this.

1895
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: This Peers. This appears to me like it's not just

1896
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: you had American champions, when you had DJ and John

1897
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and or North American anyway and GSP, you know, you

1898
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: had like these were like the pinnacle of the sport,

1899
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not just champions at the time,

1900
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: but like they stood the test of time for like

1901
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: all champions, and they were all at the same time.

1902
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to replicate that. Okay, But here's where

1903
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: he begins to disagree too. He writes, quote, I think

1904
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: UFC isn't motivated to create stars like Connor like they

1905
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: used to. Connor got big enough that he was able

1906
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: to call the shots. I'm not saying I actually he

1907
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: agree with us here. I agree with Dana and team here,

1908
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: but I think they've learned their lesson and are comfortable

1909
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: making huge profits by putting on content and making the

1910
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: trains lead. The station is loose, like to say all

1911
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: the time. Okay, Here's where he begins to take us

1912
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Speaker 1: to task three. I feel like MMA media doesn't do

1913
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Speaker 1: a lot to boost up up and coming talent anymore,

1914
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Speaker 1: partly because their jobs have been outsourced to podcasters and

1915
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Speaker 1: askus heers. But I used to see a lot of

1916
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Speaker 1: stories about potential stars and now it's just he writes,

1917
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Speaker 1: I have no beef with her, But he just writes,

1918
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Speaker 1: now it's just Nina drama asking people weird questions. BC,

1919
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Speaker 1: why don't in his mind, what would you say? Is

1920
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Speaker 1: the answer about why MMA media doesn't cover up and

1921
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Speaker 1: cooming fighters anymore. I have a very good answer for this,

1922
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Speaker 1: but I'm curious to hear yours. This is this is

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Speaker 1: an easy one.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the answer is the relation to

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Speaker 2: clicks aggregation and MMA media kind of you know, five seven, eight,

1926
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Speaker 2: ten years ago becoming just an aggregation of trash talk

1927
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Speaker 2: on social media. So it can feel that way because

1928
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Speaker 2: when you work for websites where you're based upon you know, clicks,

1929
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Speaker 2: that's that's the currency. So I mean, I think that's

1930
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Speaker 2: part of it. The idea of the written word has

1931
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Speaker 2: gone away, right. We thought when the athletic came into

1932
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Speaker 2: combat sports and they were spouting you know, the return

1933
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Speaker 2: to that, and I know there's still you know, the

1934
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Speaker 2: Ring or on Crowned or whoever your favorite thing is

1935
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Speaker 2: where Yes there's still smart things being written, but in

1936
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Speaker 2: general it's it's not about that anymore.

1937
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is an easy one. The answer

1938
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: is we've destroyed media generally with the way in which

1939
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Speaker 1: we have destroyed advertising, and so we've destroyed the jobs.

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Speaker 1: There's just not as many people who are doing this

1941
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Speaker 1: at a professional level. Yeah, there's like people doing it.

1942
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: There's like a bunch of people who do it like

1943
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Speaker 1: a semi pro level or a hobbyist level. But there's

1944
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Speaker 1: not a bunch of pros doing it anymore. But more

1945
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Speaker 1: to the point, you just have to understand something. If

1946
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Speaker 1: you make content now online media content for audiences, you

1947
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Speaker 1: have to take into consideration what will what will the

1948
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Speaker 1: audience respond to and will they not because they're going

1949
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: to sell ads against your content, And the more reviewed

1950
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: it is, the more viewed it is, the more you

1951
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: can pump ads into it and then get that money back.

1952
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 1: Understand something. That's why you can just put a post

1953
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: up about what Connor McGregor is tweeting and it will

1954
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: massively outperform fuck even just any other UFC fire. Certainly

1955
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: a UFC prospect wouldn't even come close. Let me just

1956
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: be as clear as I can. You will go bankrupt

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Speaker 1: covering prospects in this sport. But based on the way

1958
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Speaker 1: we now incentivize media, and I'm not happy about it,

1959
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: but it's just the media warned everyone. If we don't

1960
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Speaker 1: put limits on what Facebook and Craigslist and what these

1961
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Speaker 1: kinds of folks are doing, it's going to decimate the business. Well,

1962
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Speaker 1: welcome to the era of decimation. There is absolutely from

1963
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Speaker 1: a financial standpoint. And when I say that, I don't

1964
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Speaker 1: mean like getting rich. I mean paying your fucking bills.

1965
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Speaker 1: There is zero incentive to cover prospects anymore. No one's

1966
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Speaker 1: going to click on it. No one's gonna care. It's

1967
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: a waste of your time. That's unfortunate because it doesn't

1968
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Speaker 1: mean it's not an important It actually is, to his point,

1969
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Speaker 1: a critical job. But I'm simply not going to shoulder

1970
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Speaker 1: any blame whatsoever for the larger forces in play that

1971
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Speaker 1: have decimated the ability of media to focus on what

1972
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Speaker 1: is actually important versus how do we create content to

1973
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Speaker 1: maximize revenue? And again I'm gonna say one more time,

1974
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Speaker 1: when I say maximize revenue. I don't mean getting rich.

1975
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Speaker 1: I mean just you know, subsisting on a basic level.

1976
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to say there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean that the company or

1978
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 2: not the company. But Dana has been at war with

1979
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Speaker 2: the media for like a long time, like full war,

1980
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 2: like you don't matter, we don't need you. Let's bring

1981
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Speaker 2: in the influencers. And I'm not saying it hasn't been

1982
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 2: a smart financial decision for them or creating this culture

1983
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Speaker 2: that is picking up so many young viewers, but all

1984
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Speaker 2: of that plays a role. It's all affected in that.

1985
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, James happens. We might just be the

1986
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Speaker 2: old guys that relate to the accepting the change. But

1987
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Speaker 2: I'm glad we at least created a forum to air

1988
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Speaker 2: that out, hear the other side of it, and kind

1989
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 2: of ask ourselves the hard questions in the mirror after

1990
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 2: the show, Luke, so, I hope you have a deep

1991
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Speaker 2: rooted conversation with yourself.

1992
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Speaker 1: I try, I try all right, Last, but not least,

1993
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Speaker 1: he takes us to task again, and he says, I

1994
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Speaker 1: mean this with all due respect, and I believe him, certainly,

1995
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Speaker 1: I appreciate this respect. We want these responses. We don't

1996
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: want the We don't want everyone to just agree with us.

1997
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Speaker 1: We want what you got, So Corey, don't worry, he says,

1998
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Speaker 1: I mean this with all due respect, and I've been

1999
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: listening to the show since even before COVID. I think

2000
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: you too, used to cover the fights more positively. Part

2001
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: of your job is to create excitement about up and

2002
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Speaker 1: coming talent or the fights more generally. But lately all

2003
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: I hear is you guys say about undercard fights and

2004
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: fighters is quote who gives a f about these fights?

2005
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Speaker 4: End quote?

2006
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Speaker 1: And he writes, aren't you supposed to? Isn't that your job?

2007
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: I have parts of my job that don't excite me either,

2008
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 1: but I still do them. And he does say he

2009
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: loves the show. Born and Raised Valdosta, Georgia hashtag two

2010
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 1: two nine BC. It gets to the center of the

2011
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: question here. Part of your he writes, part of your

2012
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: job is to create excitement about up and coming talent.

2013
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Speaker 1: I think he means to cover the sport more broadly.

2014
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Speaker 1: Isn't that your job? BC? Is that the job?

2015
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Speaker 2: It's part of the job. And I think maybe the

2016
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 2: better criticism is is are we making all of our

2017
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 2: takes and decisions about this promotion through the lens of

2018
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: some of these things that have become unavoidable for us.

2019
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Topics of fighter pay, you know, the over pushing of

2020
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: political narratives, and you know, and even the monopoly play,

2021
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:21,639
Speaker 2: you know, all of that, the TKO era, everything we're

2022
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: talking about. Are we playing? Are we swimming in the

2023
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 2: negative pool too much and always using that as the lead.

2024
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 2: I'll look in the mirror and talk about that. That

2025
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 2: might be the case. But as far as what our

2026
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 2: job is, it's all encompassing, if you you know what

2027
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I mean, are we pure journalists, no part

2028
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 2: in entertainment, part get the word out, but part hold

2029
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 2: the task critical reviewers. So it all matters. It's all

2030
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 2: part of the gig. Could we balance it better in

2031
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 2: terms of how we deliver it? Certainly we can be

2032
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:49,719
Speaker 2: more thoughtful in that regard.

2033
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a complicated answer. Actually, this one

2034
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: to me is a little bit different, like what is

2035
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: the job? Because on some level he's right, it is

2036
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: the job to cover the fights, whether you like like

2037
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: them all or not. If you're gonna do this like

2038
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: some level of coverage about it in a way that

2039
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: is not like, hey, guys, it's the best fight ever.

2040
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 1: But you know, enthusiastically leaning in to educate the audience

2041
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: because again, you're supposed to be the pro here. And

2042
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not saying that we you know, many times

2043
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: our audience knows better than us, but you know it,

2044
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: we have the dedicated ability to focus on these topics.

2045
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: So I do think part of that is correct. But

2046
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the problem, Like the other part of

2047
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: the job, Partly, the job is what you define it as.

2048
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, when you work for another outlet and they

2049
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: tell you what they want you to do, they tell you, hey,

2050
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: we need you to do. Like when I was at

2051
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: MMA Fighting. I was an editor at times, but there

2052
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: are also rules I had to fulfill and it was like, hey,

2053
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 1: you got to watch Belatour on Friday. You gotta do

2054
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Belatoor predictions. I didn't necessarily love that, but it was

2055
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: part of the job and fine, all on the all's well,

2056
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: that ends well, you do have to do stuff like that.

2057
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: But the reality about the current situation is it's again,

2058
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more time, it's hard not to

2059
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: notice the differences. These differences make the product different. Granting

2060
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: now that people interface with the product differently, and so

2061
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: we have to understand those differences. But you know, like

2062
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: to me, the fighters, not all of them, but many

2063
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: of them have taken the joy out of getting to

2064
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:11,959
Speaker 1: know them, you know, when they go and they're spouting

2065
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: pre meth Hitler stuff and you know, taking pictures with

2066
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: the takes, and you know, and then this is just

2067
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. It goes on down the list.

2068
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,879
Speaker 1: It's just not as like this is not very interesting

2069
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: to me. It's or at a bare minimum, some of

2070
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: the various decisions or turns that the company has made

2071
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily always agreeable. Do we have an obligation to

2072
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: also tell the audience that there are limits to that

2073
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: as well? I certainly recognize if you go want too

2074
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: far in that direction, you'll just drive everyone away. And

2075
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: what is the point of that? But what I'm trying

2076
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: to make is it's a complicated tension between what are

2077
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the things that matter, what are the things that are newsworthy?

2078
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: What is the job, even in some of its more

2079
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: unpleasant details, versus also what is the truth of what

2080
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: is happening? More broadly, what are these changes? Are all

2081
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: of these changes good? And how do we talk about them.

2082
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: We're in this complicated middle ground spot BC where I

2083
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 1: don't have a great answer to all of these We're

2084
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. It's not so simple all

2085
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: the time. It's a new world we're wrestling with that

2086
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:14,839
Speaker 1: is not easy. But I just hope people can understand

2087
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: from our perspective. We're not saying that we get that

2088
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: balance right, far from it. But we are saying we're

2089
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: asking you to notice we're in a different place now,

2090
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: and that it's at least worth considering that this new

2091
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: place and I know we drive it home, we can

2092
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: accept that some of it is just different and that's

2093
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: the way it's going to be. Are there bigger questions

2094
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: to be asked about whether it's better or just fine

2095
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: or worthy of ignoring? And I think that's a little

2096
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: bit more difficult to do.

2097
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's it. I

2098
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 2: think we've gone full circle. I appreciate the opinions and

2099
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 2: the thoughts of everybody, especially the ones that take us

2100
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 2: to task, because, like I said, you got to be flexible,

2101
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: self accountable. You got to look in the mirror. Okay,

2102
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 2: I got to look in the mirror and figure out

2103
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: a better beard presentation. But that's just me. Let's get

2104
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: into thank you very much for that. Let's get into

2105
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 2: our segment here where we offer the opportunity of the

2106
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:08,759
Speaker 2: fans to uh, well wait, wait.

2107
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: We got to do one more thing. If you don't

2108
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: if you recall.

2109
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 2: I might recall it. I may have already forgotten it.

2110
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 1: But well, remember that time, Remember that time where I said,

2111
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know what they sent to me in

2112
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: the mail, this gigantic It was a ten pound delivery,

2113
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: and I cause it, what is this? What could be

2114
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: ten pounds? Well, I'll tell you what it was.

2115
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 4: BC.

2116
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 1: It was freaking gold Belly. It wears wings in there.

2117
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: They even put a T shirt in there from Anchor

2118
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Bar because of course with gold Belly you can or

2119
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: from some of the best places all over the country,

2120
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: wing sauce. Directions on how to prepare it, all of

2121
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: it taken care of perfectly, all ready to use BC.

2122
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I've used gold Belly and I've had awesome freaking experiences

2123
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. The experience has been incredible. What matters

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01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 2: most though, the taste. Oh they got that too, right.

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01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 2: We're talking about iconic food that you get shipped to

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01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:01,679
Speaker 2: your door. Chicago Deep Dish pizza from lou mal Naddy's,

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01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 2: New York's Best Famous Cheesecake from Juniors. That's just an example.

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01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 2: We can go barbecue if you're craving that, and get

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Speaker 2: Franklin's Barbecue from Texas right to your door. So when

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Speaker 2: we talk about the experience getting that package in the mail,

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01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: the quality of how it's packaged to keep your ingredients cool,

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01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 2: all the fictions I told you before, we got Guy

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01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 2: Fieri's trash can nachos and I was like, all right,

2135
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 2: let's see what we got here. It was Super Bowl

2136
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 2: Sunday and the real MVP were those damn not shows.

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01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. So it's dishes from one

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Speaker 2: of the kind restaurants, world famous chefs like Ana Garten,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Bulloud, Jose Andreas Goldbelly. Here has you covered? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Mikey lives in Florida right now, right you know he

2141
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 2: loved to get some of that some of that Connecticut

2142
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 2: New Haven pizza sent to his door. This is a

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01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 2: very very cool service that makes it easy to enjoy

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Speaker 2: the things you love. So if you're looking for that

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01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 2: perfect gift or want to impress your friends and family

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01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 2: with an epic meal. The next time you're hosting one

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Speaker 2: of those get togethers. You got to go to goldbelly

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Speaker 2: dot com right now and you'll get free shipping and

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Speaker 2: twenty percent off your first order by using our promo

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Speaker 2: code combat with a K. That's Goldbelly dot com code

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Speaker 2: combat with a K for free shipping, twenty percent off

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Speaker 2: your order. Luke, I'm team Goldbelly. In fact, let me

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01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 2: get a little more of that, if you know what

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01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And by the way, they

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01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: were talking about Jose and Donasi's a DC guy. I want.

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01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 1: He's from Spain, but he's a DC guy. Tremendous food

2158
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: and I just want to drive it home. That's the

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01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: whole great part of it. You're not just getting some

2160
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: random takeout. It's not some random delivery from some of

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01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: the best places, delivered to you with quality and care.

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01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: We want you to go to goldbelly dot com and

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01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: use the code combat that's combat with a K, free

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Speaker 1: shipping as BC said, and twenty percent off your first order.

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Speaker 1: Tell them that LTNBC sent you and Kah great.

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01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 2: Great save there, Glad to Glad to bring goldbelly to

2167
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 2: the masses. They deserve that. But also it's time to

2168
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: bring maybe your artwork, maybe the tight T shirt, pictures

2169
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 2: of you and your significant other. We send out the

2170
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 2: email address morning coombat at gmail dot com, and you

2171
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 2: respond sometimes with genitalia picks. Mikey does not like that. Okay,

2172
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 2: Mikey does not like that. But this one's called fans admissions.

2173
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,520
Speaker 4: You've got mail fures.

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01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: The dulcin tones of one.

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01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Gaff Yeah, Gaffney Jim, that's my guy. Hey, let's hear

2176
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 2: from Ben B. This is the follow up video from

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01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 2: his last submission. Let's see what he's got going on.

2178
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Calm down, Down's not the type for fear. Dude. Wow, Okay,

2179
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: I believe that video was real. That's one of our

2180
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 1: viewers that did that.

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01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's Ben B. I wonder if the

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01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 2: bee stands for balls right.

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01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I looked beautiful but also frightening. That

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01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: is incredible. Would you do that?

2185
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 2: Bec the four to twenty sticker on there. I'd love

2186
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 2: to try something like that. See, I want to like

2187
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: skydive and stuff, but you know, I got kids. I

2188
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 2: guess I gotta wait.

2189
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 1: Would you do that? For like with it. You know,

2190
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: you'd have an expert crew help you and get you ready,

2191
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: and then twenty thousand dollars cash.

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01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't fear like heights or

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01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 2: things in this category that much. I fear a lot

2194
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 2: of other things in my life. I'm trying to get

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01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 2: over them. Look, but not this. Okay. I certainly haven't

2196
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 2: feared gas station cuisine, but I probably should have. Our

2197
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 2: second one is from j Moss. He says, hey, guys,

2198
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 2: I should have sent this in so long ago, but

2199
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm lazy and anxious about being on a podcast. I

2200
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 2: also promised BC I would send these when he was

2201
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 2: door dashing, and we thought the worst. Anyway, I trecked

2202
01:47:56,120 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 2: the northern circuit of Mount Kilimanjaro and brought my MK

2203
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 2: hoodie to keep me warm. So did my girlfriend at

2204
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 2: the time, Tracy, were married now, and so did her daughter, Rachel.

2205
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 2: In fact, Rachel stole my first MK hoodie, so I

2206
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: bought us a family set. Obviously, the teenager hates that

2207
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 2: we watch, but that was a choice she made when

2208
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: she took mine. There's a bonus pic. Oh, I'm sorry.

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01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 2: Obviously the teenager hates that we match matching sweatshirts. There's

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01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 2: a bonus pick of Tracy and I on the beach

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01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,799
Speaker 2: in Cape Town, South Africa, if you want to use it.

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01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 2: With love from Kazakhstan.

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01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 10: Wow.

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01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Wow, that's insane. Yeah, dude, all the way from East Africa,

2215
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: then South Africa and then now I guess you know

2216
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 1: Eurasia or Asia basically, but still that's maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 1: that's incredible.

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01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: These are so many cool places in the world I

2220
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: want to see I am. We got MK fans doing

2221
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: it everywhere. It's amazing.

2222
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,719
Speaker 2: No, we had, we had that couple of Mount Fuji

2223
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,839
Speaker 2: wearing MK. We've had We've had so many great moments

2224
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 2: right here, kill him and jar This is incredible. Thank you, Jim,

2225
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 2: and shout out to your now wife Tracy and her

2226
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 2: daughter Rachel MK family. Baby, that's what we're talking about. Okay,

2227
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 2: we have something now from a name that just it's you.

2228
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Love this Francisco Luke right just off the tongue, right Francisco,

2229
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 2: good day Bong Island is what he says. I have

2230
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: a fan sub of Luke shaking all these damn haters off.

2231
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 2: Please enjoy. It's Francisco from Houston.

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01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 1: I wish I wish that was that is that prime

2233
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Arnold right there?

2234
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's prime Arnold Row.

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01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:35,799
Speaker 4: That's great.

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01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: I know that bodybuilders now are bigger, but like, to me,

2237
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: this is basically a perfect physique. This is basically what

2238
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 1: perfection looks like.

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01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, either that or who do you think is the

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01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,799
Speaker 2: Arnold of MMA at this exact moment, Luke at this moment,

2241
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 2: whose body is the biggest wonderland?

2242
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Probably Sarry yukin.

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01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 2: God, Yeah, those high ribs he's got Luke and that Yeah,

2244
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 2: that's that's This guy is a whole right there, right.

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01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they probably could add a few

2246
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 2: strawways search flatways to this convo too, but maybe on

2247
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:10,679
Speaker 2: our Patreon later. Also from Heavy Riff magnet, Hey, they're

2248
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 2: alpha donks. Here's a Luke Thomas Bingo card and I

2249
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 2: did it with love to make sure your MK viewing

2250
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 2: experiences are more fun. Keep on donkin in the free world.

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01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 2: That's at Heavy Heavy Riff Magnet on.

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01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, BC, I accused you earlier of the

2253
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: audience knowing you, I would be remiss if I didn't

2254
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: point out they also know me.

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01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, So we got a lot of shitting

2256
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 2: stories on there. We got a monopoly. Let me finish now,

2257
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying dot dot dot technique.

2258
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: Talk tuky. He got tuky at the bottom there.

2259
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Cannibal Corps. What's the other logo.

2260
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: There, Dying fetus, Dying fetus?

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01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 2: All right, a lot of shitting stories. Uh yeah, that

2262
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 2: is that is incredible.

2263
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Look if you look at the entire left column, it's

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01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: an entire shitting story column.

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01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 4: Wow.

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01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

2267
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 2: Shout out to add Heffy heavy riff magnet on the ig. Finally,

2268
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: Josh K has a trio of pictures for us. This

2269
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: will be the first time we're seeing these. I painted

2270
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 2: this for you, Luke. Luke responds, you're a bad faith

2271
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:31,480
Speaker 2: actor in the world of the arts. I mean, oh oh.

2272
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: This is the most beautiful thing in the world. Second

2273
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 1: to my brown Growler Joseph.

2274
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:44,839
Speaker 2: Second to my made with mammadic brown Growler. Wow. Uh

2275
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,520
Speaker 2: that is that is hilarious.

2276
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: That is that is amazing. That is The audience fucking

2277
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 1: knows us, bro. They do.

2278
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 2: Mikey, who I think was in the chat today, Uh,

2279
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 2: you know who's going to be mad at you? As

2280
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 2: Alan w said on this week's BC X ray that

2281
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 2: he's been trying to get a fans ub through Mikey's

2282
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 2: filter for us.

2283
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: I know that Alan W and H by the way,

2284
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: Danger Mouse, I know, is sending some stuff in. We

2285
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 1: couldn't play everything today. We appreciate you contributing. I promise

2286
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: we'll make time for you. I promise.

2287
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 2: Well, I think in particular, you know, Danger Mouse may

2288
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 2: have been trying to get us fired with the last

2289
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 2: submission that he's trying, So maybe Mikey's filter is necessary, right.

2290
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the filter is important. But I just

2291
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 1: want to say we appreciate everyone who and by the

2292
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 1: way again one more time, not just the fan subs

2293
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: and Danger Mouse and LW, but for everyone who sent

2294
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: questions in Morning Combat at Gmail, not questions, but challenges

2295
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 1: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. I think if we

2296
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 1: do this again, b seen, I would like to. We

2297
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 1: got to put we gotta put we gotta put a

2298
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: word limit, and we gotta put a time limit on

2299
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 1: these videos. I think we do, We'll be we'll be cooking.

2300
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: We got to keep that circle tighter, Luke, which is

2301
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: what everyone looks for. You know what I mean? That is, uh,

2302
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: it is that's disgusting, all right? Yeah, Hey, hey, we

2303
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:56,839
Speaker 2: had a decent show for you. I hope you uh

2304
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, saw through the uh even if you didn't

2305
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 2: like what we said, and saw our pure hearts at play.

2306
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 2: All right, that's what it's about, you know, young hots

2307
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:09,839
Speaker 2: beat fast. Yeah right, that was on the Karate Kids soundtrack.

2308
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 2: You got it. You had to be there, I guess, Luke.

2309
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 1: You know I was there?

2310
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 2: All right? Luke? Is there anything you want to say

2311
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 2: to the people.

2312
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 1: Monday and studio we'll talk a lot about these this

2313
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 1: middleweight main event. I'm not sure what else?

2314
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:26,799
Speaker 4: Uh are you guys dressing up on Monday?

2315
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 8: Oh?

2316
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:29,919
Speaker 1: First of all, I have to say something. The Irish

2317
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: don't like it when you say Saint Patti's. What they

2318
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: tell me is you can say Saint Patrick's or Patty's,

2319
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: but you can't say Saint Patty's. Apparently that's a big

2320
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: no no in Ireland. I didn't know they get bitter

2321
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 1: about it. But the question is, let me just say,

2322
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 1: as somebody who has worked in bars in his life,

2323
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 1: this is this is every bartender's nine to eleven. They

2324
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 1: have nine to eleven every year, and it's Saint Patrick's day.

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01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 1: It is It is fucking amateur hour. Every single time.

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01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: It's a lot of white people fist fighting again, thrown

2327
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 1: out of bars. That's really what that is, Luke.

2328
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of Building seven, I go, I still have a

2329
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 2: lot of questions. I know this is inappropriate to speak

2330
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 2: out loud, but I have a lot of questions. All right.

2331
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 1: You know they were probably already answered by capable architects

2332
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 1: and engineers, so you should just look into what they

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01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: had to say about it.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Long Island, Luke. I'm sure we can watch

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01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 2: the main card minutes content to preview the fights, maybe

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01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 2: even a live stream during de leedes A Vittori two

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01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:25,879
Speaker 2: on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going an hour before the main card six

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01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 5: pm Eastern time, so we'll watch the last like eight

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01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 5: fights or something.

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01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 4: Tune in. Gonna be a good time main card minute.

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01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, how's your girlfriend?

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01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 4: She's doing great, Luke.

2344
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 5: We spend six days of the week together, you know,

2345
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 5: Saturdays for me, Saturday is my dad.

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01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 1: Just sees it. I'm just sees it, Luke.

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01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 2: Did you see Keith Thurman this week?

2348
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 4: By chance?

2349
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,839
Speaker 1: Dude? One time gave Old Rock Jarvis the two times

2350
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Bob hit him with it, didn't he?

2351
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty vicious, and he was like a

2352
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 2: little sloppy timing off early, but he was aggressive and

2353
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 2: he h you know what his hand speed was back

2354
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 2: so three years a.

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01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 1: Foot speed was pretty good too. He's alwaysd pretty good

2356
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 1: foot speed. But first round was whatever. Second round he

2357
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 1: was tuning up Rock Jarvis and then putting them away

2358
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: in the third.

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01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 2: Good Rock Jarvis is not a world beater, but the

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01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 2: idea of Keith Thurman against Tim Zu or Errol Spence

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01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 2: or Damel Charlow, like there could be a couple of

2362
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 2: fun fights on the way out here for him that

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01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 2: where he can make some money, you know.

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01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: Also Fan Meo suing Ryan Garcia, yes, which is kind

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01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: of interesting. I don't know.

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01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 2: And I would love to get paid for hosting that

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01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 2: press conference, so you know that'd be he'd be wonderful. Yeah. Yeah,

2368
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: So hopefully they get to the bottom of that one.

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01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 5: I wanted to also mention guys, I wrote it to

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01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 5: you in the chat, but Dr Nergose, who is on

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01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 5: the main card tomorrow night, did missweight by five pounds.

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01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 4: He weighed in two ten and a half for a

2373
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:52,480
Speaker 4: light have you leave out?

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01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 5: And also we're waiting on still like four or five

2375
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 5: more fighters to weigh in, which is pretty late.

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01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're up against it. And did the main event

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01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 1: fully whan.

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 4: Main events good Colemyane. We're still waiting on Chitty Bang.

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01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: Did did vaejos wayn veheo.

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01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's good. His bowt is all good to go.

2381
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 5: This guy weighing in right now, josiahs Musasa. It's his debut.

2382
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 5: He's getting the old tent around him. So not looking

2383
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 5: good for this car, but we'll see what happens.

2384
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 2: And Luke. I haven't watched the fight yet, but did

2385
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 2: you guys hear about this top rank triple header. They

2386
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: had a couple of mornings ago.

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01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 1: In Japanese one.

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01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're ken Chiro that do that Flyway champion. I

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01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 2: guess rallied back in the twelfth round to score a

2390
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 2: knockout win, and it's being called the fight of the year,

2391
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 2: so I'm excited to take the time to check it out.

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01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: Dan Rayfield saying it's only the sixteenth time in I

2393
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 1: think boxing history someone who was down on the cards

2394
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 1: rallied to stop the opponent in the twelfth That's crazy

2395
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 1: something like that, So like like a rare historical event.

2396
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,200
Speaker 1: Whatever the actual number is.

2397
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 4: You know.

2398
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Ball defending his other way title this weekend

2399
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 2: against TJ. Dohane on de Zone and also Burlonga's in

2400
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:09,879
Speaker 2: a coalmine on de Zone in Orlando and openly feuding

2401
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 2: with match Room right now. He's fighting like a janitor.

2402
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 2: It's really interesting.

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01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should be. That's about the appropriate level for him.

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01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 2: I want to see him against Caleb plant you.

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01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I also want to or Jimi Munggia. I would

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01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: take either of those.

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01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would too. I hope if Mongia beats

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01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 2: in the rematch here, I'd like to see him against Caleb. Yeah,

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01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 2: that whole there's a couple of names there that can do.

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01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of good fights that could be made

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01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: with Caleb right now.

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01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 2: Indeed, and damn could they just make bev all Benefitez

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01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 2: already and let me call it? That'd be the greatest

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01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 2: one on my orks. Yeah, that's Luke Thomas right there,

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01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 2: suns out, guns out with the tats, right.

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01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,200
Speaker 1: Luke, it's just a short sleeve shirt.

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01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Is it cherry blossom season yet? In DC?

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01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: Ooh close? They're predicting. March twenty sixth was the last

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01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 1: one that I saw. I would I'm gonna go check

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01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: it out. That's when there's a lot of people down there,

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01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: and my recommendation is for anyone come to see them,

2422
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: don't drive, take the metro.

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01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Luke Thomas, always repping DC, always

2424
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 2: protecting it right like like Ceam Punk Rep Chicago or

2425
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 2: you know Larry Holmes reps Easton Pennsylvania. That's Luke and

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01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 2: d C. Those were our socials. You can follow us.

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01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 2: Thank you for watching h take care of yourselves too.

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01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 2: Okay for Long Island Luke Regular Luke and your boy BC.

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01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 2: We love you. Thank you for watching. Enjoy the fights

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01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 2: this weekend. For whatever reason you're watching them for, enjoy

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01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 2: the shit out of them because we are out of here.