1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: I have the energy of twelve wild bulls, and I 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: think I got that from Mick. I exercise the same 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: way he does. I put myself into a big empty 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: room with a. 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: Mirror and I just move and I go crazy, and 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: I lock it in, I lock it out. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 4: I go up, I go down, I go round, I 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 4: go round. 10 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast Music History on Foot. 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Join your host Buzz Night for a walk and talk 12 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: near Nashville, Tennessee with American singer, model, and New York 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Times best selling author Bb Buell. Bb has been around 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: so much music history, and you'll just love the conversation 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: as it happens. Next on Taking a Walk with Buzz Night, 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 4: Yes, it's a beautiful day in the neighighborhood. I know, 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 4: doesn't it feel like that? 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 5: It goes bbe. 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: We have to keep it a secret where I live. 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: But it's magical. We can say that much. 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 5: We're in a magical spot, uh, somewhere. 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 6: We're in a Nashville suburb, somewhere near Nashville, Yes, very 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 6: close to Nashville. Yes, And I'm so glad that we 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 6: got to take a walk in person. 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 5: I can't tell you how excited. 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: We just walked past somebody that plays with Reeba McIntyre. 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 5: Oh, there you go. 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: You're going to see a lot of country people and 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: a lot of rock stars in this neighborhood. But that's 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 4: all right. 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 5: Well, thank you for taking a walk. I'm so grateful. 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: I'm happy to be taking a walk with you. 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 7: Finally, yeah, we we had a date on the books 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 7: at one time, kind of and I think you were 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 7: you were playing in your band at that point and 37 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 7: got a little rockus. 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: I think, right, Well then, I I actually, when I 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: saw all the wonderful cool people you've interviewed, I'm like, 40 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: I better get my butt. 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: On that podcast cause it's a awful cool. 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 6: Well, so let's talk about some of those folks because 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 6: they intersected in your world. 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 5: First of all, this wonderful. 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 6: Photographer named Bob Grewin was on the Taking a Walk podcast. 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: Yes, well, Bob Grewin was one of the first people 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: I met in New York City when I was first 48 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: dating Todd. He had just gotten this brand new le 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: May gold suit from Granny takes a Trip that he 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: wanted Bob to photograph him in sort of looked like 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: an Elvis Presley kind of suit, except tailor tighter, and 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: went over to and he brought me along, and Bob 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: ended up taking the first picture ever taken of he 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: and I that was published. 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: It was a picture of me on the floor hanging 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 4: onto his leg. 57 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: And gosh, and I wasn't dressed up right, I didn't 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: have any makeup on. But the pictures are pretty awesome. 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: They're all over the internet if you ever wanted to 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: see it. 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 5: Was that in the West Village. 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, And then. 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, because I lived in New York City, I 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: would see Bob grewing everywhere. 65 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: He was a part of the fiber. 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was New York City as far as I 67 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: was concerned. 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: And he knew everybody, and everybody knew him and loved him. 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: He was one of those guys. He could kind of 71 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: be invisible. 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: He wasn't in the way ever, And that's why everybody 73 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: always let him come backstage, and he was always a 74 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: part of everybody because he had, as my mother would say, 75 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: he had perfect etiquette. 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could feel that about him. 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 6: Just the time spending and as we were walking in 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: that West Village area there. You know, he'd walk by 79 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 6: people and you know, somebody, Hey, Bobby, you know, I 80 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 6: mean he knows everybody. 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's only lived there for fifty years. 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean, my god, hass been in the same place 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: since I met him? 84 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and he took me by that first place that 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 6: he ended up running into. I guess you know John 86 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 6: and Yoko when they lived there. Yeah, that little spot, which, 87 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 6: by the way, even if you've seen it lately, it 88 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 6: looks it doesn't look like anything special, that place in 89 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 6: the West fourth area where John and Yoko lived, it's. 90 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: It's kind of dilapidated. 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: I wonder what that is. Oh boy, there's something going 92 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: on in there. Yeah, I wonder who it is. 93 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: But so we had Bob on and then there's another gentleman. 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 6: I think you probably crossed paths with. We walked in 95 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 6: the village as well. 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 5: Danny Fields. 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: Oh my god, are you kidding? Yeah, you saw that. 98 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: Danny Fields gave me, I think, probably the most ultimate 99 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: quote anybody has ever given to a publication. 100 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 4: About me for The New York Times. 101 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if you read that New York Times story. 102 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 6: On when you were when you had gone back for 103 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 6: the promotion of R when I. 104 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: Played the National Arts Club. Well, Danny, you can go 105 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: back and read it. He said something that just I 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: was so touched. Yeah, Danny was also one of the 107 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: first people I met when I came to New York. 108 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: But it was It's funny because the first time I 109 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: met Danny was just at Max's, you know, just casually. 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: And then when I met him again, we were Todd 111 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: was looking to trip on something, you know, he wanted 112 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: to try tripping, and we were sort of told that 113 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: Danny had the best stuff and that he had the 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: real stuff, the Timothy Leary you know kind of stuff, 115 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: and and and. 116 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 4: Todd's like, oh no, no, I don't want to take acid. 117 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: I I want to you know, take psilocybin or. 118 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: Something like that. 119 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: And so I went over there and I got it 120 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: and we. 121 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: Did that trip. 122 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: That was something that was the day too, that Todd 123 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: found that artist on Fifth Avenue, because we we literally 124 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: walked all the way from the village to the park, 125 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: that's how high we were. But but in a joyous, 126 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: wonderful way. It was just so much fun. And there 127 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: was this gallery and Todd. Todd was like, oh my god, 128 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: look at these paintings. 129 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: They were so surrealistic. 130 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: So we wandered in and got to know the artist 131 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: and he ended up doing a Wizard of True. 132 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 4: Star the cover. 133 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: Wow, that crazy cover that shows him face and if 134 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: you look at it another way, the side view it 135 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: as well. It plays an optical illusion with your eyes. 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 5: Oh god. 137 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's awesome. 138 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I miss New York because it's 139 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: not the New York I loved anymore. 140 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 5: Right. 141 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 6: So then there's one more person that we had for 142 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 6: sure that we had on the podcast who I know, 143 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 6: you know, and he's terrific And it's a Richard Baron. 144 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: Oh well, of course I adore him. 145 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, but a special guy. 146 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: He's extremely What I love about Richard is he's extremely positive, upbeat. 147 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: He just doesn't let the chips get him down. He 148 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: keeps on trucking, you know, keeps on staying out there, and. 149 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 6: He's such a student of what's going on around obviously 150 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 6: the music scene. I love his book that he wrote, 151 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 6: and obviously he's trying to pass it on to well. 152 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is very, very devoted, as is Bob Grew 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: and to staying in that community and keeping it intact. 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: Whereas I get the bug, I get itchy. I need 155 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: to try other things, you know, I need to experience 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: other scenes. And that was one of the things I 157 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: loved about Nashville back when I first came here in 158 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. It was so exciting. It reminded me of 159 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: New York City, that same energy and vibrants and bands 160 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: and everybody hanging out together and country people and rock 161 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: people mixing. And I can't stand Kid Rock though, But 162 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: we don't have to talk about him. 163 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 5: That's cool. 164 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: I know people think about Kid Rock when they think 165 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: about rock people in Nashville, but trust me, he's not 166 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: our favorite rock guy. 167 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: By any stretch of the imagination. We've got Peter. 168 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: Frampton, We've got all kinds of amazing rock stars. 169 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: In Nashville, and they aren't Kid Rock. 170 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: You know. I'm sorry, dear Lord, but I don't like 171 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: to ever feel that way about a person. But you know, 172 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: he's just a little too extreme for me, a little 173 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: too so. 174 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 6: Paint a picture of what a typical night at Max's 175 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 6: Kansas City was when we were hanging around there. 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: Well, if you were a model like I was, you know, 177 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: you have you had to. 178 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: Get your work done you would work and get done 179 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: around four or five, go home and sleep. Then you 180 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: get up around ten and get ready and you didn't 181 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: get to Max's until eleven or twelve, and then you 182 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: would stay there until four five in the morning, then 183 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: rush home, get a few hours of sleep's do it 184 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: all over again. It was just every night. And of 185 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: course there were those nights where when you're young, you 186 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: need more sleep and I, you know, I would sometimes 187 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: just not be able to function the next day because 188 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: I'd be so tired. 189 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, a typical night. 190 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: At Max's was you get there, It depended on who 191 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: you were sitting with or what the vibe was, where 192 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: you could eat because Mickey was very, very generous and 193 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: all of us could eat whatever. 194 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: We wanted, and. 195 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: Alice Cooper always picked up to check he did. Yeah, 196 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: he was so sweet. He would just buy everybody dinner 197 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: and drinks all the time. And I think he was 198 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: one of the first people I ever met that had 199 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: a credit card. And I think he was one of 200 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: the first people that they issued one two in his 201 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: business way, because credit cards weren't common until later in 202 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 2: the seventies. Yeah, people just I remember several rock stars 203 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: when they got their first credit cards. I was there 204 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: when I was Costello got his first credit card, but 205 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: that was in England, and I remember he propped it 206 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: up against his records and sat on the couch and 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: just looked at it and he said, Babie, look I've 208 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: got a credit card. I said, congratulations. I said, it 209 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: means you, you know, you're doing well enough that the 210 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: banks think that you should. 211 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: Have one of these things. 212 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: You've arrived. 213 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's funny how things have changed. And also, 214 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: you know, we did hi there. We also didn't have 215 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: answering machines and cell phones, and when you wanted to 216 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: get through to somebody who had to write them a letter, 217 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: and if you were super fancy, like a Jimmy Page 218 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: or somebody like that, you'd send a telegram, you know, 219 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: get a telegram. 220 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, of course I got. 221 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: I've gotten several telegrams in my life and I've sent 222 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: a few. And that was sort of like the sexiest 223 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: way you knew somebody really liked you if they sent 224 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: you a telegram. And but I remember too when we 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: first got our first answering machines, and they they basically 226 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: would just be a cassette that you put into this machine. 227 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, well, I've saved every single cassette. 228 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe some of the messages I have. 229 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 6: Oh my god, Now have you mastered them so they 230 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 6: can still exist? 231 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: No, actually they're on They're still in their cassette form, 232 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: but they're in my temperature controlled room. Oh yeah, I mean, 233 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I would ever, you know, invade 234 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: the privacy of some of the people who's but I've 235 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: got messages from Mick Jagger. 236 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 4: I've got messages from everybody, and David. 237 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: Bowie, I've got all kinds of very excited all my 238 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: modeling agents. 239 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: Bibe, you're late, you know, get to Reno. 240 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: I've got all that, and you know, and my mother. 241 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 4: Bibe, did you do Playboy? 242 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: Uh? You know, but this was this was you know, 243 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: later because in seventy four when I did. 244 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: Playboy, we didn't have answer machines. But later I did it. 245 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: I did another little picture for them, and when my 246 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: mother heard about it, she called me up. 247 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: And so I've got all that. 248 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: But you really had to be be creative when you 249 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: recording somebody in those days. So you really knew somebody 250 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,359 Speaker 2: liked you if they did a telegram or they sent flowers, 251 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: or they would send a car. 252 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 4: For you, you know, to come. 253 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: I want you to come to my show, I'll send 254 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: a car, and it would be a limousine, you know, 255 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be just a car, it would be a lemo. 256 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 5: And did anybody ever send a plane for you? 257 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: Yes? I have had a plane send for me. 258 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 5: Probably more than once, twice. 259 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: Only twice, only twice. But yes, I have had that pleasure. 260 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: Do you do you can you reveal who? Well? 261 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: Mick Jagger once invited me out to mon talk and 262 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: I took a small plane that he arranged from Teeterborough 263 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: and that was a thrill. And I thought for sure 264 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: somebody else would be on the plane, you know, but 265 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: I was the only one, and so that was exciting. 266 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: And then when I got there, it was so funny. 267 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: You know. We were we were. 268 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Sort of we were really good friends. We sort of dated. 269 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: We it was our relationship was strange. But he was 270 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: seeing a mayor married woman over the hill. I'm not 271 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: going to say who, because they would sneak off. And 272 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: so when I got there, I wasn't really there as 273 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: his date or his girl. I had my own little 274 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: cottage because Andy had all these little separate little guest 275 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: houses all on the property. And what's his name arrived? 276 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: Oh he was so sweet. I loved him. 277 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: He was a keyboard Billy Preston. Billy arrived and he 278 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: was next to me, and. 279 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: It was just a rehearsal, rehearsals, so I was like 280 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: the only person there with Billy Preston as the other 281 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: guests and the Stones would rehearse in the big front 282 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: room and Andy's estate in Montalk and that was very 283 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: very And the other person that ever that set me 284 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: playing with Stephen And yeah, Stephen. 285 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: Had his own plane. 286 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: Mick used to check art of them, but Steven always 287 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: had his own planes. Mm hmmm, these boys, I'll tell 288 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: you silly things. 289 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 5: Right. 290 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: You'll be right back with more of the Taking a 291 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 292 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 6: So you have this unique trait that you've found a 293 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 6: way in your life to make everybody feel comfortable and 294 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 6: you know, just get a. 295 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 5: Great vibe from you because of who you are. Who 296 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: taught you that? 297 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure you can be taught that, but 298 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: I was taught etiquette and manners and cordiality from my 299 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: mother and my grandparents. It's just a tradition in my family, politeness, education. 300 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: If I'm gonna have dinner, like when I was young, 301 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: if Mick Jagger would invite me to some extravagant dinner, 302 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: or Brian Ferry or somebody invited me to a dinner 303 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: where I knew there was going. 304 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 4: To be royalty or. 305 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: Politicians, or I would really study up on what was 306 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: going on in the world so that I would know 307 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: what I was talking about when I was spoken to. 308 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: I was prepared, you know. I understood what the assassination 309 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: of Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King meant, whereas a 310 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: lot of people my age didn't even care. So I 311 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: understood the Vietnam War because my stepfather went to Vietnam. 312 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: I understand that I understood living on military basis because 313 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: my stepfather was in the military, as was my father. 314 00:17:52,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: But I think it becomes for me about karma. You 315 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: reap what you sew. I just believe that. So if 316 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: you have to treat people the way you would want 317 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: to be treated, and even people I don't like, instead 318 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: of being mean to them or shunning them, I just 319 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: tell them directly that I don't care for them, you know, 320 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: And I don't say it in a mean way, or 321 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: I just say it's best we just stay away from 322 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: each other. 323 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: We don't click. 324 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: You know. 325 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: I think that keeps you. 326 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: It keeps whatever karmic bond you might have left over 327 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: from a previous lifetime. 328 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: You can tear up that contract. I believe that. 329 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: I believe you can get away from certain situations because 330 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, you know how I feel. 331 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 4: I don't believe that this is our only. 332 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 2: Life, and I believe I've been here many times. 333 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: Oh my lord, And what. 334 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 6: Gives you the most joy now in your life? 335 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: The most joy? I think it's a combination of things. 336 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: I can't pick one thing, but I think it's enjoying 337 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: being able to live. 338 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: Like I lived. I've earned this. 339 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: I've worked my whole life for this, as my husband, 340 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: who I've been with for twenty four years. My daughter 341 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: is very successful. I think the joy I get from 342 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: watching the productivity and the success for people I love, and. 343 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: Especially my daughter. 344 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: But mostly I get from animals and from cooking food, 345 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: you know, being having people in my home cooking for them. 346 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: Joy. 347 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: I get it just from joy. Surprising me every day 348 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: brings me joy. 349 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 5: That's something you didn't expect. 350 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I enjoy reading. I enjoy my Instagram page. 351 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: I love what it's done for my ability to reach 352 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 4: my fans. 353 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: Because I'm an eclectic taste, I'm a cult figure more 354 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: than I am a household name, and Instagram has helped 355 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: me reach more people. And I've noticed it in the 356 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: last couple of shows I've played. They're sold out, They're packed, 357 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: and I think that I owe that to social media. 358 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 6: I think so, yeah, But you know there's a double 359 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 6: edge to that sometimes, right in terms of. 360 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but I keep away from that element. 361 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 5: I balance. 362 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: I don't spend a lot of time on Facebook where 363 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: people get into those disgusting arguments. And as far as 364 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: Twitter goes, I've still got the account. But he took 365 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: away my blue check as he did, everybody didn't want 366 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: to pay him. I just replaced it with a little 367 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: blue heart and a few people followed suit. I keep 368 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: that page because of some of my fans that are there, 369 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: but I really don't dip into I don't chat, I 370 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: don't do any of that. 371 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 6: So a lot of music has brought you joy through 372 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 6: your life and continues to bring you to. 373 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's the rolling Stones for me forever and ever 374 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: and ever. That's the band that will always make me 375 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: the happiest. If I need my mood elevated, it's the 376 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: Rolling Stones. If I need melancholy, it's the Rolling Stones. 377 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: If I need to feel peppy, it's the Rolling Stones. 378 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a Rolling Stones girl. And you 379 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: know Mick Jagger. I remember seeing a picture of him 380 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 2: the first time when I'm nine to ten. So I 381 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: look at the Stones and the Beatles. They're part of 382 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: my life. So if I had been born at any 383 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 2: other time in history, I wouldn't be connected to these people. 384 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: So I think I chose when I was going to 385 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: be born, and I think I knew when I was 386 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: very young who my friends were going to be. I 387 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: think I've been a patron of the arts in every 388 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: life that I lived, But I've also been an artist. 389 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: So I've been a patron and I've been an artist. 390 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: I've been both. And I think that they hold hands. 391 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's beautifully put. It really is. Let's taunt you 392 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 5: a little bit more sure. 393 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 6: Yeah. You know, people listen to the podcast sometimes and 394 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 6: they go, well, it sounded like when you were walking that, 395 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 6: you know, they say it to me, you were you know, uh. 396 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 5: Breathing heavily and because we're walking, so we are walking. 397 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, well, we'll try not to breathe heavily. 398 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 5: I didn't mean it that way. 399 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean. 400 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: Even though you're supposed to supposed to be we're supposed 401 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: to go when you walk. Oh, there's a I'm not 402 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: going to say the name of it, but see that farm. 403 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: That's where you go to get your pumpkins and all 404 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: your fun stuff. 405 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 5: So back to the Stones. 406 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, do you remember the first time you saw them 407 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 6: perform like live? 408 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and at Sullivan. 409 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean like a concert. 410 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: Wise, Oh, when I was twelve, Oh really going on thirteen. 411 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: It was July fourth, nineteen sixty six. I turned thirteen 412 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: ten days later. It was at the Allen B. Shepherd 413 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: Convention Center or the Dome as they used to call. 414 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 4: It in Virginia Beach. 415 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 5: Oh wow, with my. 416 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 4: Best friend Joni Gross. 417 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: We met in the fifth grade and we bonded over 418 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. 419 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: And uh so I was home from boarding school that summer. 420 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: I did sixth, seventh, and eighth grade at Villa Maria 421 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: Academy in Lynchburg, Virginia. 422 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 4: So that summer. 423 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: Then I turned thirteen. Was the summer that changed my life. 424 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: But I saw them way before. 425 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: That on TV, sure, and I had every record, of course. 426 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 5: And when you see a concert like that and it's so. 427 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: Okay, how doy? 428 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 5: When you see a concert like that, that changes you. 429 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: It alters your DNA basically, right, or or it ignites 430 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: whatever your DNA was that was connected to it in 431 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: the first place, right. 432 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 6: Right, So you were hooked then, you were hooked before, 433 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 6: but you were really hooked after that work. 434 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: Well yeah, Well, I. 435 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: Think that I've been connected to music and art and 436 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: every lifetime I've ever lived. So all it did for 437 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: me was confirm who I was, and I started to 438 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: have glimpses into who I was, my spirit, my soul, 439 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: why I'm here, etc. And it just. 440 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: Rock and roll music. I don't just love rock and 441 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 4: roll I love everything. 442 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: I love classical music, I love Indian music, I love Eskimo. 443 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: Music, I love all music. I just love. 444 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 2: There isn't a genre that hasn't got something that appeals 445 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: to me. 446 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 5: What is it about music? What is it? Why is 447 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 5: it do this to us? How does this happen? In 448 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 5: your view? 449 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's it's supernatural. It's all vibrations. 450 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: I think that we all live on frequencies, and I 451 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: think that everything is a frequency, including the earth spinning. 452 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: The earth is a living being as we all know. 453 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: And I just believe that everything has life and frequency. 454 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: And I think music is probably throughout the entire universe. 455 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: Wherever there's other life, I'm sure music exists in some form. 456 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 457 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: I just think that music is part of the vibrational 458 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: connection that the human element, because we're only human for 459 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: a short period of time and then our spirit either 460 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: comes back again or continues upward. 461 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 4: Into the realm. Oh gosh, I know this isn't it. 462 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: I know that that that this, you know, this isn't 463 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 4: the end. 464 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: I just wish they didn't wipe your memory between lifetimes, 465 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: because you go back, you do all this work, and 466 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: you do all this studying on the other side. You 467 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: learn so much, and then you choose to come back 468 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: to work on stuff again, and then as soon as 469 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 2: you get here, you you you you're drawn to certain 470 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: people because of your karma contract and connection to them. 471 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: But it's just incredibly mysterious to me. How you know 472 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: that somebody is connected to you. 473 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: When you meet them. 474 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: You know immediately I know that person, or you can 475 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with somebody like I'm just meeting you right now, 476 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: but I feel comfortable comfortable with you. Who knows, maybe 477 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: two lifetimes ago we had dinner together, or we weren't 478 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: the same gathering, or you were doing this job. 479 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 4: Then who knows a phone? 480 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 5: Right? Thank god I wasn't then. 481 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 4: Well, but I'm just saying that I agree. 482 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 6: I agree with everything you said and how it all 483 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 6: comes back to vibration and what you feel. 484 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: It's all just energy that I'm a big Dolores Canon person. 485 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: She is a spiritualist and a hypnotist. She died in 486 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. I was lucky enough to meet her and 487 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: be regressed by her. You know, I grew up in 488 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: Virginia Beach too, which was Edgar Casey Territory. My house 489 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: was literally I could ride my bike to the Edgar 490 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: Casey Center and we used to be so infatuated with 491 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 2: the place because people would talk about past lives. And 492 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: that started with me when I'm six seven, eight years old. 493 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: That stuff made perfect sense to me. And that's why 494 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: my next book that I'm writing is about animal reincarnation, 495 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: because I believe that we have connections to our pets 496 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: that are much deeper and more profound than we give 497 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: credit for. 498 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: But I just. 499 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: I feel that, I feel like I still have so 500 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: much to learn in this life. I would like to 501 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: be here for at least another twenty five year. I'd 502 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: like to make it as far as my parents. You know, 503 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to. 504 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: Make a quick exit. 505 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: But when you get to be seventy, you start to realize, Wow, 506 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: you don't think about so much what you've done. 507 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: Who you think about? 508 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've only got this much time left, 509 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: this or that much time? 510 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: Who knows? 511 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 6: But who are some of the mentors that have been 512 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 6: important to you? 513 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: Oh? 514 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: Well? 515 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: It started with Oscar Wild, Lily Langtree, Albert Einstein. I 516 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: was obsessed with him, his hair, I thought it was 517 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: the best. And Edgar Allan Poe, these were this was 518 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: child stuff. And then as I've gotten older, Patty Smith, 519 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: you know, Debbie Harry, of course. 520 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: Mick and Keith. My god, they're like the Monk and 521 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 4: the Friar to me. 522 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: And I love, love, love, Dolores Cannon, the woman we're 523 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: talking about. Gosh, Stephen Greer, He's another person I want 524 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: to meet. He's a ufologist, and uh, I. 525 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 4: Think what happens. 526 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: Is you stop thinking about people as mentors and you 527 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: start thinking about them as kindred spirits. 528 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: You know. 529 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 6: Well, so Rick Darringer was a kindred spirit, right of course. 530 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: But I haven't seen Rick in a thousand years. And 531 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: his wife, his first wife, not his current. Liz is 532 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: still one of my best friends. 533 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, you were with her in New York when you Oh. 534 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean. 535 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: We've been friends since nineteen seventy two. But Rick Deger, 536 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, he lives a whole different life now. I mean, 537 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: I think he still plays, but I think he found Christianity, 538 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: got married and lives that life. 539 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 4: I think he still plays live. 540 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 5: I think so too. 541 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all those people. Everybody I know is a 542 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: kindred spirit, I feel. 543 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 6: So what bands or artists do you think are underappreciated? 544 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's a question I could have answered differently, 545 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: maybe ten or fifteen or twenty years ago. But with 546 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: social media, I have found that most bands that I 547 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: like eventually do get attention. 548 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 4: I love Star Crawler, I love the Struts. 549 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of exciting energy, and you know, those 550 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: bands all did well. And I love Lawrence Rothman and 551 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: who's become quite the producer DuJour here in Tennessee now. 552 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 5: He worked with Amanda Shier, Yes. 553 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: With Amanda and Jason and and Margot Price. And so 554 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: it's funny because I knew him when he was in 555 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: Living Things, when he was a singer in a band, 556 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: and this transformation that he's gone through, well, I don't 557 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: I think he likes to be called they, so I 558 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: probably shouldn't say he that this transformation that they have 559 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: gone through. I appreciate that if people wish to be 560 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: not identified by a certain. 561 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 4: Gender, I'm fine with that. 562 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 5: Right. 563 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: He's got a beautiful wife, he's got a beautiful daughter, 564 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: he's got some beautiful dogs. 565 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: But Lawrence is quite a special talent. 566 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: And he spends a lot of time in Nashville now. 567 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: And how do you discover music these days? 568 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 6: Just through friend recommendations or your own discovery. 569 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: Just from being present. 570 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: If I get invited to something, I try to go, 571 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: but also from. 572 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 4: Playing my own shows. 573 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: Usually the band'll get to open for me, or the 574 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: kids I meet that come to the shows. The thing 575 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: about my following that's so interesting is that they're very young, 576 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: and I don't think that they've really put it together 577 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: yet that I'm seventy. 578 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 4: I don't think they've connected that. But I am not seventy. 579 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 4: When I hit stage, I have. 580 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: The energy of twelve wild bulls, and I think I 581 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: got that from Mick. He inspires me to keep those exercises, 582 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: those movements going. I exercise the same way he does. 583 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: I put myself into a big empty room with a. 584 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: Mirror and I just move and I go crazy, and 585 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: I lock it in, I lock it out. 586 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: I go up, I go down, I go round, I 587 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: go round. You know some people, oh, do you do pilate? 588 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: You know, I do rock, I do the I. 589 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 2: Just get in there and do I mean, I'm sure 590 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: he does lightweights as well. You can tell by the 591 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: way he's built that he doesn't do extreme weightlifting. He 592 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: just does the sensible weights, stretching. He's got the yoga 593 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 2: body that we all envy. 594 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 4: But you know, he's always been like that. 595 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: Mick though, he's always been smart about taking care of himself, 596 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: but he's never been traditional about it. Ever, He's invented 597 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: his own his way to exercise, and the Jagger jog 598 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: I call it. 599 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, Okay, that's that's my exercise, I 600 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 4: do the jagger job. You go, so I guess the 601 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 4: Keith kick. 602 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 6: So you mentioned earlier about learning, So what is it 603 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 6: that you haven't learned that you would like to learn? 604 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 4: Patience? 605 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: And and I would I would like to be less judgmental. 606 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: You know, as far as uh myself goes, I'm very 607 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: hard on myself. I'm harder on myself than I am 608 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: on others. So what I'd like to learn is how 609 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 2: I can take everything I've learned spiritually take it with 610 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: me when I leave this realm and if I come 611 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: back again. I would like some possible way to have 612 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: a memory. But I think your memory start to come 613 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: back as you live. I think they wipe you clean 614 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: when you're when you're the baby. Then you come here, 615 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: and I think it's up for you, up to you 616 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 2: to figure it out, you know. I guess what I 617 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: want to learn is uh why. 618 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 8: I'm so grateful that we got to take this time, 619 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 8: and I'm most grateful of it in that we sort 620 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 8: of found each other, discovered each other organically. 621 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 4: Really, nobody else puts this together. 622 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: Well. As soon as I saw your eyes, I knew 623 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 2: you were a Pliodean. I think I'm from the Pleiades 624 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 2: star cluster. I definitely do. And when I meet people, 625 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: I can sort of see, oh, you're from the Pleiades. 626 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 4: The Seven Sisters. 627 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: There's I think there's seven planets within the Pleiades, and 628 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 2: I think that they're all connected, and I think a 629 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: lot of the people on Earth are part of that 630 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: star cluster. 631 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 4: And I think we come back. 632 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 2: If Dolores Canon is right, this is the learning planet. 633 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: There is no other planet like Earth in the entire universe. 634 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: There might be other planets with life, but we are 635 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 2: the only one that has hell and heaven and everything 636 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 2: in one place. And a lot of souls that come 637 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: here can't cope. I think some of them were in 638 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 2: the twenty seven Club. They come here and they've never 639 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: seen hatred and violence in their other previous incarnations. 640 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 4: And you come to Earth and you. 641 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: Get a real eye opening because one minute you can 642 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: be sitting in a field like it's paradise, and in 643 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: the next minute you're looking. 644 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 4: Into the face of war. 645 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: And I think that that is why Earth is such 646 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: a challenging place. Dolores Canon says, those of us that 647 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: you to come to Earth. 648 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 4: Are brave, and we are looked at from other people. 649 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: In the universe that are connected as very brave to 650 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 2: come here and take on this challenge. And if I 651 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: have to come back again, I will. I just hope 652 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: by the time I come back that we have stopped 653 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: killing cows and pigs. 654 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 4: And just. 655 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 2: Have a more sophisticated palate. We don't have to kill 656 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: so much. A lot of killing going on on this planet. 657 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: Too much killing. We kill too much, kill everything, including 658 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 2: the forest, and. 659 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 4: It's gotta stop. Just agree. 660 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 5: Thank you for being I'm taking a Walk. 661 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 4: Oh you're welcome. Let's do it again. I love it. 662 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 663 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 664 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 665 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 666 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.