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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I

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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Simpson with my sidekick

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Speaker 1: Jane Just Shane. We want to give you a little

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Speaker 1: update first of all, on the Lively and Baldoni case.

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked about it for a while because it

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Speaker 1: hasn't had a lot going on. You know, they go

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Speaker 1: to trial in March of twenty twenty six. However, there

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Speaker 1: have been some interesting things that have happened lately. So

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively has dropped the emotional distress claims against Justin Baldoni.

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Speaker 1: So I was reading about this yesterday and it was

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Speaker 1: actually kind of difficult to follow for me to actually

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Speaker 1: put a timeline together of what happened. But here's the

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Speaker 1: way I understand it. A few days ago, there was

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Speaker 1: a teleconference between both sides, which is normal when you're

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Speaker 1: in active litigation. Right, So you've got both sides, You've

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Speaker 1: got Baldoni's team, You've got Blake Lively's team, they have

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Speaker 1: a teleconference. I guess there was a conversation that had

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Speaker 1: to do with these emotional distress claims. There's an intentional

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Speaker 1: infliction of emotional distress and a negligent emotional distress claim

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Speaker 1: on Blake Lively's side against Justin Baldoni. And apparently during

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Speaker 1: this teleconference there was a conversation where Lively's attorneys had

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Speaker 1: suggested that they were going to drop those claims now

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Speaker 1: after Apparently immediately after this conference between the attorneys, Justin

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Speaker 1: Baldoni's attorney, Brian Friedman files emotion to compel her like

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Speaker 1: therapy notes or doctors against who against Blake Lively. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the way I understand it is they're like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: going to.

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Speaker 2: Drop these claims of distress.

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Speaker 1: So she's going to drop the claims of distress. Brian

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Speaker 1: Friedman then files a motion to compel basically stating that

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Speaker 1: she's dropping those claims in order to not comply with

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Speaker 1: their discovery requests of medical records or therapy notes.

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Speaker 2: A medical records. That's my guess. My guess is Lively's

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Speaker 2: team was like, oh, we're going to have to provide

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Speaker 2: all these medical records or conversations or anything to.

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Speaker 1: Show that there was some type of emotional distress distress.

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Speaker 2: And then they're and they're like, okay, Lively, can can

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Speaker 2: you start forwarding those documents? And then She's like, I

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Speaker 2: never went to the doctor. I didn't do anything because

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Speaker 2: I was not Yeah, I have some texts with Taylor

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Speaker 2: Swift where I was complaining, but I don't have anything else.

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Speaker 2: So they were probably like, then you don't have a

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Speaker 2: defense or a complaint. You can't you know, succeed on

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Speaker 2: this claim.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, then so the judge dismisses the motion to

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Speaker 1: compel because the judge is like, look, they said they're

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Speaker 1: going to drop these claims, and they did dismiss them,

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Speaker 1: and so why are you filing a motion to compel?

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Speaker 1: And then obviously Blake Lively's team says the only reason

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Speaker 1: that Brian Friedman filed a motion to compel was for

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Speaker 1: what reason?

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Speaker 2: Well, it would be probably to get her to not

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Speaker 2: comply and then maybe publicly it would look bad.

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Speaker 1: Right he did. They claim it's a press stunt, you know,

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Speaker 1: sounds like a dumb press seeking another round of press coverage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that. That sounds because he's

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Speaker 2: clearly experienced where if the claim is dropped, why would

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Speaker 2: you want to pursue discovery at a claim that's dropped.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess his thinking was, Okay, they're just trying

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Speaker 1: to avoid our discovery requests, so let's do a motion

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Speaker 1: to compel. But really, you know Brian Friedman's He's excellent

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Speaker 1: at working the.

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Speaker 2: No I know, so I'm putting my trust in him.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, seeing the order of events, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like it was poorly executed, but time will tell, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: So Baldoni's side argued that Lively couldn't have it both

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Speaker 1: ways by making claims of emotional harm while also withholding

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Speaker 1: supporting records like medical records. In response, Lively's attorneys dismissed

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Speaker 1: the request as a publicity stunt, as reported, and this

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Speaker 1: was an entertainment weekly. Actually it was an entertainment weekly.

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Speaker 1: But then I read several other articles because everybody jumps

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Speaker 1: was really interesting that Blake Lively's side consistently argues that

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Speaker 1: everything Brian Friedman does as a publicity stunt. But let's

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Speaker 1: not forget about the facts.

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget about Lively and Reynolds and their lifestyle

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Speaker 2: as we.

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Speaker 1: Go back in time. If you remember, the original complaint

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Speaker 1: filed by Blake Lively's team was on December twentieth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and The New York Times published a report

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Speaker 1: and published the filing on December twenty first, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So it was it's very I mean, it's easy to

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Speaker 2: Wasn't everything they do with publicity stunt, I believe.

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Speaker 1: So. So anyway, I also found it interesting that the

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Speaker 1: judge who is to judge Lewis J. Lyman, formally ruled

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Speaker 1: that Lively's emotional distress claims were no longer part of

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit. Baldoni's motion to compel was denied on the

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Speaker 1: grounds that Lively had already agreed to withdraw the claims.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I know, yeah, he meant to drop the claims.

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Speaker 2: Was informal.

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Speaker 1: It was on that it was on the teleconference, so

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Speaker 1: it was an.

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Speaker 2: Informal right, So he probably thought, I'm going to file

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Speaker 2: the motion and compel, and I'm going to keep pursuing

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Speaker 2: my defense until you actually drop it. Yeah, So he

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Speaker 2: probably filed the motion to compel to keep the momentum

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Speaker 1: Sure that they actually dismissed the claim.

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Speaker 2: I told you, I trust him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good attorney. I told you anytime, if

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Speaker 1: I'm ever in trouble, who's the first call. It's quite

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Speaker 1: Brian Friedman, It's my first call. Judge Lyman also directed

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Speaker 1: both parties to reach This is where it's going to

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Speaker 1: get interesting. He directed both parties to reach a mutual

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Speaker 1: agreement together on whether the dismissed claims would be permanent

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Speaker 1: with prejudice or allow for possible refiling later, which is

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Speaker 1: without prejudice. Regardless, the judgement clear that Lively would not

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Speaker 1: be allowed to introduce any evidence related to emotional distress

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Speaker 1: going forward because the claims have been officially dropped from

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Speaker 1: her filing. Lively's team responded to the ruling by calling

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Speaker 1: Baldoni's motion completely unnecessary and framing the court's decision as

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Speaker 1: a favorable outcome for their site. They always do that.

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Speaker 1: They always take every decision this judge makes and they

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Speaker 1: turn it around into some favorable like some big win

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Speaker 1: for them. So it's it's always.

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Speaker 2: Like, so, what was this big win was that it's

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Speaker 2: dropped without prejudice?

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Speaker 1: No, it's he did he didn't. He told them that

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Speaker 1: they have to figure out together whether the claims are dropped.

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Speaker 1: With prejudice or without. So what do you think is

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Speaker 1: going to happen there? You think they're going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're not going to agree. Neither party is going

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Speaker 2: to Neither.

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Speaker 1: Party is going to agree to that.

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Speaker 2: Let's explain what with prejudice and without prejudice means.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so both of the emotional emotional distress claims have

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Speaker 1: been dropped. However, Lively's team is going to want them

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Speaker 1: dropped without prejudice. Now you explain what that means.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it means. I'm just kidding you too.

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Speaker 2: Know what it means. If it's dropped with prejudice, that's

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Speaker 2: the equivalent or close to a judgment in favor of

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Speaker 2: right or it's it's as if the judge ruled on

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Speaker 2: it and they're it cannot be brought up. It cannot

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Speaker 2: be brought up without prejudice means it's just a procedural thing.

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Speaker 2: We dropped it, but you can still pursue it at

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Speaker 2: a later date if you wish exactly so, then with

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Speaker 2: that case, Baldoni would want it with prejudice, so that

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Speaker 2: way it cannot be brought up again. And then of

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Speaker 2: course Likely's team will want it without prejudice, and I

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Speaker 2: think it should be without without knowing much more, it

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Speaker 2: should be without prejudice because the judge didn't review anything

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Speaker 2: really not in detail.

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Speaker 1: No, but I mean that's where I mean. The judge

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Speaker 1: is basically like, Okay, you guys work it out together

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Speaker 1: and figure out if it's with prejudice or without, and

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Speaker 1: you think these two sides are going to be able.

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Speaker 1: That's very black and white. This isn't a gray area

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Speaker 1: where they can compromise and come up with something. There's

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Speaker 1: no middle ground on this. So I good luck with

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Speaker 1: those two deciding with or without prejudice.

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Speaker 2: So it'll allow for another update next week.

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Speaker 1: It'll allow for more letters from Brian Friedman and more

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Speaker 1: updates from US and more updates from US. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to Ditty Diddy. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: interesting that there was some testimony and Diddy that was

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Speaker 1: interesting this week. First of all, they called Eddie Garcia

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Speaker 1: La hotel where Combs attacked Cassie back in twenty sixteen. Now,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garcia receives complete immunity to testify because when you

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Speaker 1: hear his testimony he clearly was involved in bribery an

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Speaker 2: Justice, so he was offered immunity because you're thinking, well,

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Speaker 2: witness should just testify if but he committed crimes right

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Speaker 2: by taking a bribery and whatnot. Yeah, I mean, so

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Speaker 2: he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He's going to perjure himself in the federal court.

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Speaker 2: So he would just plead the fifth which is I'm

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Speaker 2: it would be self incriminating. So they're saying, well, we

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Speaker 2: bigger fish exactly, and so we'll grant you immunity and

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Speaker 2: then you can freely speak as to what took place

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Speaker 2: and keep your money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, keep your money. So Eddie Garcia takes a stand

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Speaker 1: So this is how it worked out. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Ditty's assistant. Her name is Christina Korum and she reaches

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Speaker 1: out to Eddie Garcia and says, hey, like, we would

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Speaker 1: to higher than me or you have to subpoena. So

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Speaker 1: she gets nowhere. Then she makes a personal visit to

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Speaker 1: this is all clearly under the direction of Ditty and

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Speaker 2: So she goes to the hotel she wants she wants

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Speaker 2: like the original copy to destroy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So she goes to the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Like this guy didn't make copies on his phone and

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Speaker 2: show his friend and so I don't know it until

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Speaker 2: you can pull it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So she makes a personal visit at the hotel,

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Speaker 1: then later on he gets a third phone call on

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Speaker 1: his personal cell phone. I don't know how they got

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Speaker 1: number somehow. She gets on the phone with him again.

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Speaker 1: She puts Ditty on the phone this time and he

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Speaker 1: testifies that Ditty is nervous during this phone call. He's stuttering.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, hey, man, you know I'll take care of you.

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Speaker 1: How can I get a copy of this video I

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Speaker 1: need to destroy. It's going to ruin my life. And

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Speaker 1: you know I'll take care of you, which he testifies

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Speaker 1: that he understands that I'll take care of you. Is

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Speaker 1: you know I'll hook you up, I'll get you.

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Speaker 2: You're on the party list, but you're gonna you are

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Speaker 2: now a lifetime supply baby oil.

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Speaker 1: For you, sir, Yes, you get a Costco membership baby oil.

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Speaker 2: Costco doesn't sell baby oil. It's for freak out.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right, that's right. We established that.

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Speaker 2: organized or sophisticated cover ups and carry out, carrying out

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Speaker 2: further crimes, exactly paying off right, exactly.

439
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: At the direction of Diddy. So I think they're they're

440
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: doing better of establishing.

441
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: You from needing a money counter being in a cell.

442
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: That sucks.

443
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: That's all right, So let's go into the chrystalies. This

444
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: has been all over the news lately, so I feel

445
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: like we have to go down this road and talk

446
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: about it. So, first of all, how did Todd Julie

447
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: Crisly first rise to fame? We know that they have

448
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: reality show, but I had to do some deep digging

449
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: because I've only seen one episode of the show. And

450
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess you've never seen them never.

451
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: Never. I've seen them in headlines all over the place

452
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 2: years ago and then now again. But I don't know them.

453
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 2: And I was surprised they were married. Yes, yes, he

454
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: does not look like he would be married.

455
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't look like the marrying type.

456
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: No, let's leave it at that.

457
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: Todd Chrisly and his real estate empire. So Todd Chrislely

458
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: originally built his wealth in the early two thousands through

459
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: real estate investment and development. He ran a company called

460
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: Chrisly Asset Management, which claimed to manage and liquidate distress properties.

461
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: During the housing boom, Todd made millions by flipping homes

462
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: and investing and property. He projected an image of financial success,

463
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: frequently referencing lavish spending, designer clothing, upscale homes, and at

464
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Speaker 1: their peak, the Chrystlies lived in a thirty thousand square

465
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: foot mansion Geez and traveled extensively. In twenty fourteen, they

466
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Speaker 1: launched They Have a Counter. I'm sure they have a

467
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: money Counter. In twenty fourteen, they launched Chrisly No's Best

468
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: on the USA Network. It was a reality show portraying

469
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Speaker 1: them as wealthy, outspoken Southern family navigating parenting, business, and faith.

470
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: It became a hit, known for Todd's dramatic personality and

471
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: strict parenting. Success from the show led to spinoffs and endorsements,

472
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: and the family made hundreds of thousands per season. Todd

473
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: and Julia used their fame to their benefit, conducting brand deals,

474
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: public appearances, and even podcasting with their show Christly Confessions

475
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: back in twenty eighteen. But along the way, there were

476
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: always some red flags with his family.

477
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Speaker 2: So the show is what put them in the spotlight.

478
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: Yes, there were nobody's normies. Normies, yes, we now know

479
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: the term Norman.

480
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes, ormies.

481
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's some red flags throughout these years where

482
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: they're building this real estate empire, and I put empire

483
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: in quotations, enterprise, criminal, enterprise. Yes, well, so Todd filed

484
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: for Chapter seven bankruptcy back in twenty twelve. According to

485
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: court records from his bankruptcy filing, he had claimed to

486
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: have forty nine point four million in debt. He reported

487
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: just four point two million in assets and listed only

488
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: fifty five dollars in a checking account and one hundred

489
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: dollars in cash. His monthly expenses were more than fifty thousand,

490
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: including twelve thousand on clothing, six thousand on food, and

491
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand mortgage and written other household costs. He also

492
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: owed twelve million to Regions Bank and millions more to

493
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: other lenders.

494
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: Wait, he owed twelve million, Yeah too, he found only

495
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: be four and a half million in debt.

496
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: No, forty nine point four million.

497
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: Forty nine million.

498
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you miss that? That was the first thing

499
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: I said.

500
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: I thought you said four million.

501
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: Forty nine point four million in debt. Fifty million dollars

502
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: in debt.

503
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Speaker 2: What did he do for income before his TV show? Well,

504
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: I just told you that he Yeah, tell me again

505
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: now that it's forty nine Millionay, I want to know

506
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: what he did for work.

507
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: He was flipping homes, he was building, He building a

508
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: real estate home. Well, that's what he claims.

509
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: He opened off the banking industry, is what he was doing.

510
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: Ran a company called Christly Asset Management where they managed

511
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: and liquidated distress properties, and apparently allegedly he made millions

512
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: by flipping homes and investing in property. Then he files

513
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: for bankruptcy and he has forty nine point.

514
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Four million million dollars.

515
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: Yes, fifty million dollars.

516
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean he spent fifty million dollars or maybe more so.

517
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: During the bankruptcy process, there were allegations.

518
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: What would he spent fifty million dollars clothing? I know

519
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and forty four thousand year clothing.

520
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: He said, cars, trips, lavish. I could spend fifty million

521
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: a year.

522
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: Like that, fifty million dollars.

523
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: Yes, So during the bankruptcy process there were allegations of

524
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: concealed assets. Todd was accused of hiding income and failing

525
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: to disclose assets, including trust and property possibly put into

526
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: his wife's name. Prosecutors later alleged that Todd and Julie

527
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: used Julie's bank accounts and other people's names to avoid

528
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: revealing income to the bankruptcy court and to the irs.

529
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: This is all leading up to their twenty nineteen federal indictment.

530
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: So this is all going on right. Here's the way

531
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Speaker 1: I understand it, and this is what I was trying

532
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: to read and decipher. It was, basically, from my understanding,

533
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme that had to do with loans. So

534
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: they were taking out loans and then getting more loans

535
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: to pay back the.

536
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: Place, as you're saying, instead of getting investors to some

537
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: supposed snake oil, they were getting loans, helped pay back

538
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: other loans and then have more money, and they just

539
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: kept robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Exactly allegedly, well not allegedly, I mean they were prosecuted

541
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: for it. So this leads to their twenty nineteen federal indictment.

542
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Prosecutors charged the Chrislies with one bank fraud, submitting falsified

543
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: documents to banks to obtain large loans. So that was

544
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: the first part of this Ponzi scheme as I understand it.

545
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: First of all, in order to get all these loans,

546
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: they had to falsified documents to make it look like

547
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: they have more income or more assets than they do

548
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: in order to get the loans.

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00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: Second, this is why the world hates us, because people

550
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: go and get loans and spend all kinds of money

551
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: on clothes, then file bankruptcy and then thinking is walk

552
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: away right.

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Second, wire fraud using fake emails and bank records to

554
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: qualify for funding. Third, tax evasion not paying federal taxes

555
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: or filing returns for multiple years, and for a conspiracy

556
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: to defraud the United States. They pled not guilty and

557
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: claimed that they were being framed by a former employee.

558
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: And this former employee also when they went to trial.

559
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I think he was convicted of three years. He was

560
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: like a financial advisor or something, which you told me

561
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: when I was telling you about this. You get sick

562
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: of people blaming their financial advisors.

563
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: I do as stupid. It's because they still have to

564
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: sign everything and they still need to be responsible. You

565
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: can't just hire a financial advisor to alleviate yourself and

566
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: create some veil where it's like, oh, I didn't know

567
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: he did it, not me, fifty million. You were stuck

568
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: on that fifty Yeah, I had no idea it was

569
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars.

570
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: So then COVID comes along and delays their trial proceedings

571
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty to twenty one.

572
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: Flip homes and make that kind of money, so.

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00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: You think so you think, well, he's no. Well he

574
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: might have. He might have flipped a couple, or he

575
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: might have.

576
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: A couple couple, but not enough to.

577
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: Have fifty million dollars in debt, not unless.

578
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: You falsify the loan documents.

579
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: Well that's what they claim, and that's what they were

580
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: convicted of. Was falsifying loan documents. In June of twenty

581
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: twenty two, their trial began. The prosecution's main evidence was

582
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: fake bank and financial documents. Julie Crisley allegedly created fake

583
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: fake financial documents, including falsified bank statements, fake credit reports,

584
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: and altered financial audit letters. These were used to apply

585
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: for and receive over thirty million dollars in loans from

586
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: community and regional banks between two thousand and seven.

587
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: And they they got addicted. It was easy money, yeah,

588
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: and they just wanted more and more and more.

589
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: There's so other evidences, emails and text messages. Federal agents

590
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: recovered emails and text messages between the Chrystalies and co

591
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: conspirators that revealed that Julie allegedly emailed fake financial statements

592
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: to third parties who submitted them to lenders, and Todd

593
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: and other co conspirators discussed how to trick banks into

594
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: approving their loans golly.

595
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: And then when I go get like a loan for

596
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: a car, it seems like amount of paperwork, and I'm

597
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: like trying to state my case and make it like

598
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 2: I could afford it, and then these people just go

599
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: and get fifty million dollars.

600
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: And loans and then file for bankruptcy and not pay

601
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: back the loans and then get more. Sorry, I think

602
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: they probably get more loans to pay back as many

603
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: loans as they can. But then when they start to

604
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: get to the point where it's like loans, then you

605
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: just file for bankruptcy and you just start over, and.

606
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: You say it's a Ponzi scheme. You know, it's called

607
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: the Ponzi scheme.

608
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the history on the guy's name was Ponzi, Yeah, Charles,

609
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: Charles Ponzi.

610
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the twenties, and he was making a fortune.

611
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: What was what was his Ponzi?

612
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: His original business idea was valid?

613
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Okay, what was this? This is the twenties, the nineteen twenties.

614
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: In the twenties, he he it was there was international

615
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: stamps posted stamps that could be used to mail internationally

616
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: to other countries. Like countries got together and agreed that

617
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: this was a universal stamp. It was cheaper in Italy

618
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: the stamps. Why then, I don't know, exchange rate or something.

619
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: So he was like, hey, I'll buy the stamps there,

620
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: I'll bring him to the States and I'll resell and

621
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: it'll be cheaper for the buyers, and I'll make a profit.

622
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Totally valid.

623
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: That's a legitimate business plan.

624
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Legitimate business plan. Okay, it got out of control and

625
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: then he then he just ended up going into a

626
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme where now he couldn't keep up with the

627
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: demand and he was just getting investors and he wasn't

628
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: actually buying the stamps, and he was paying people back

629
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: and he was then it turned into a true Ponzi scheme.

630
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: So a true Ponzi scheme is when you have people

631
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: invest in something and then you just use that money

632
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: to pay back some of your investors at the top,

633
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: and then you just get more people and sometimes usually.

634
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Just pay a little bit like so, then then a

635
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: newspaper came and wrote a complaint about him that it

636
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: was a Ponzi scheme. Of course they labeled back then,

637
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: but they said it was fraud. He sued the newspaper defamation, yes,

638
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: and won five hundred thousand dollars in the twenties ties,

639
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: even though he was a crook and in that time prior,

640
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: I think, when the media came out and said he

641
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: was a scam, he opened up his doors and said,

642
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: I will pay all my investors back and they came

643
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: and he would pay him back with a little bit

644
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: of interest or whatever the agreement was. And then he'd

645
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: be like, see, I have money, are you sure you

646
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: wanted it back? And then they eventual he said no, no, no,

647
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: keep it, keep it, keep investing in. Yeah, and then

648
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: he won five hundred thousand dollars. And he had like

649
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: a heated pool for his mom in like the twenties

650
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: and all this like fancy home and electricity and cars,

651
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: and I think he had a permanent cabin on some

652
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: yacht for his mom that would go across the seas.

653
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: He was out of control. And then he got busted.

654
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: How did he finally get caught?

655
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: That I can't remember. Oh yeah, I can't remember.

656
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: So that's the end of the story.

657
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: I didn't finish the book. But he didn't get caught.

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Speaker 2: He got extradited to Italy. And then Italy is supposedly

659
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Speaker 2: just like slapped him on the rest and said, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're the bad boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't do that again next time, don't get caught.

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Speaker 1: Right, here's some pasta all right. So other further evidence

663
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Speaker 1: in their original trial was testimony from a former business associate,

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Speaker 1: a former employee Mark Braddock testified against the Chrystlies in

665
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: exchange for immunity. He claimed he helped Todd commit fraud

666
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: for years and was involved in faking documents, forging signatures,

667
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: and submitting false applications. He also claimed they paid off

668
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: banks using newly fraudulently obtained loans, operating almost like a

669
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme, which is what we talked about. And then

670
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: there's also evidence of spending beyond their actual income. Despite

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: claiming little to know income on taxes and bankruptcy forms,

672
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: the Chrystlies spent tens of thousands monthly on luxury items,

673
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: paid for designer clothing, private school tuition, luxury cars, and

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00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: rent for multimillion dollar homes. The prosecution highlighted this to

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Speaker 1: show that the Chrystlies were not simply bad with money,

676
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: that they were intentionally living beyond their means while lying

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00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: to banks and to the government. And lastly, there was

678
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: a pattern of concealing the income. The Chrystlies use various

679
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: strategies to avoid detection, including routing income through a production

680
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: company controlled by Julie to shield it from the IRS,

681
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: and claiming to have little personal income while receiving thousands

682
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: per month via other entities.

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Speaker 2: Losers.

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: The conviction and sentencing, the jury found them both guilty

685
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: on all counts in November of twenty twenty two. Todd

686
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: was sentenced to twelve years, Julie was sent in to

687
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: sentence to seven years, and both were also given sixteen

688
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: months of probation following their following release.

689
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Speaker 2: Well, he had twelve years and so he got seven.

690
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: So they spent three years. Give her take what do

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Speaker 2: you mean?

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00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: Oh?

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00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, less than three years?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So in January of twenty twenty three, they report

695
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: to prison. Todd reports to the Federal Prison Camp in Pensacola, Florida,

696
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: and Julie reports to Federal Medical Center in Lexington, Kentucky.

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00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: So what happened to the children. At twenty five years old,

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00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: Savannah Chrisley became the legal guardian and family spokesperson. She

699
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: took custody of her younger brother, Grayson, who's sixteen, and

700
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: niece Chloe, who was ten. And this was Todd and

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Speaker 1: Julie's adopted granddaughter. Because Todd had two children from a

702
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: previous marriage, he was married before, so he's been married twice,

703
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: so he has two. He has two children from his

704
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: first marriage. He had a falling out I believe with

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00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: the daughter, and she was kind of a strange from

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Speaker 1: the family. I don't think she was part of the

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: reality show or anything, but I think she did offer

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: support for them publicly when they went to press.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, we won't judge the family affairs because

710
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: we don't really know any Yeah, but the stealing money

711
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: is a problem, Okay, and then I'll judge all day long.

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00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: That you're going to judge. And he also had a

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Speaker 1: son from his first marriage who had Chloe, who is

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Speaker 1: the granddaughter. And then I believe the son had some

715
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: substance abuse issues, so Todd and Julie adopted the granddaughter.

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Speaker 2: So they prior to going to prison.

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00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Prior to going to prison. Yes, she became the public

718
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: so we're talking about Savannah. Savannah became the public face

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Speaker 1: of the family, frequently speaking out in interviews and on

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Speaker 1: her podcast Unlocked with Savannah Chrisly about the injustice she

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00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: believed her parents faced. She continually expressed being overwhelmed. I mean,

722
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: she is taking care of the kids, so I get that,

723
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: but was committed to keeping the family together. Quote, I'm

724
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: helping raise two children while also dealing with the loss

725
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: of my parents being in a way, she said in

726
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three interview. Savannah's older brother, Chase, did

727
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: not become a legal guardian. However, he did support Savannah

728
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and helping with the two younger ones, Grayson and Chloe.

729
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: So Savannah has been the one that's been working tirelessly

730
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: to have her parents pardon. Let's just talk about pardon

731
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: power so that we know where that comes from. So

732
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: the president's power to grant pardons comes from. It's outlined

733
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: in article yes the Constitution, Article two, Section two, Clause

734
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Speaker 1: one of the Constitution. I like to give you guys

735
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: this little bits of like interesting legal to me, it's interesting.

736
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Speaker 1: I love the Constitution. I actually had a small pocket

737
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: version of the Constitution that I just had in my purse.

738
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean along with yeah, I would like to read

739
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: it along with like snacks and you know, sandwiches. I

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: also have a copy of the Constitution.

741
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: Okay. I never knew that this.

742
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Power is broad but not limitless, and it allows the

743
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: president to offer forgiveness and restore rights to individuals convicted

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00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: of federal crimes. Pardon power is explicitly limited to federal

745
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: offenses only, not state offenses, and this means the president

746
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: cannot pardon individuals for crimes committed under state or local laws.

747
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: So on May twenty seven, twenty twenty five, the presidential

748
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: pardon is granted. President Donald Trump issues full pardons to

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00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: both Todd and Julie Chrislely. The pardon cites claims of

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00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: unfair prosecution and procedural irregularities and the trial. The couple

751
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: is released from prison having served roughly two years. All right,

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00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: first of all, what is your thoughts. I know we

753
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: were having this conversation, but you were saying you didn't

754
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: think that they should be pardoned. If anything, you felt

755
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: like their sentence should have been commuted.

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00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: Right, because a pardon pretty much says you didn't do

757
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: the crime right, or you were unfairly prosecuted and you

758
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: know you shouldn't have been found guilty, or something to

759
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: that effect. I don't know. If there's there's paper trails,

760
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: it's a crime not of testimony, but of just like

761
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: their own signing documents. And I disagree based on what

762
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 2: I know, I disagree with the pardon. If anything, commuting

763
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: the sentence would have been better, because then it'd be

764
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: like Okay, you know what, that's more like, you did

765
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: the crime, You did enough time. Your sense was harsh.

766
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Speaker 2: This is enough. You're not a risk of society. If anything,

767
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: can be more productive, and we don't have to pay

768
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: for you to sit in jail, so you sent them out.

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Speaker 2: I think a pardon was not a good idea. I

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Speaker 2: disagree with that, and I think, and now that it's

771
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars, I definitely think they should be in jail.

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Speaker 1: Still in jail. Do you think two years was not

773
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Speaker 1: enough time?

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00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: No?

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00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: No, you know what.

776
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: The the should be an eye for an eye. It

777
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: should be like you're not allowed to have more than

778
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars in your pocket at any given time.

779
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: You cannot be rich anymore because your phony. So you're

780
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: saying they lived a life or luxury and now they

781
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: should suffer.

782
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: So you're saying, if someone commits fraud to live extravagant

783
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: life style, they should never be able to live in

784
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: extravagant lifestyle again, even if they earned it legitimately after

785
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: they came out of prison. You're just not allowed to

786
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: ever be rich again. That's your punishment.

787
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: So.

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00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: In other news, Savannah Christly addresses rumors about her parents' pardons.

789
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: Days after Todd Christly and Julie Chrisly were released from prison,

790
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: their daughter addressed conspiracy theories about her year's long efforts

791
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Speaker 1: to free her parents from behind bars.

792
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the biggest misconception right now is that I either

794
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: paid for a pardon or I slept for a pardon,

795
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Speaker 1: Savannah told the media.

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Speaker 2: A lot.

797
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Speaker 1: You Well, she's very attractive.

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Speaker 2: She looks like him. He is pretty. He is pretty.

799
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Speaker 1: Okay, she's pretty. They're both pretty. Savannah told the media

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Speaker 1: alongside Todd during a May thirtieth press conference.

801
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: I just have very little sympathy for people that take

802
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: other people's money knowingly. This isn't This isn't like a

803
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 2: business venture that went bad or they kept throwing good

804
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: money after bad because they were.

805
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: They were trying to have something.

806
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Speaker 2: Authornically, they were genuinely trying something, even if it was

807
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: poor decision, they should have known better. Yeah, this is.

808
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Speaker 1: Like intentional fraudulent. They were big fifty million dollars that

809
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: are doctored. Here's the argument, and this is where I

810
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: think people like when you talk about Menendez, there's clearly

811
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: victims and brutality. When you talk about a crime like this,

812
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: there isn't. I think people look at it people, but

813
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't think people see it that way. I think

814
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: people see it as a victimless crime.

815
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: It's not I don't I never really understood victim. I

816
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: guess meaning there's no individual person harmed, and I think

817
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: it's still a crime.

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Speaker 1: I think also people I have a problem with capitalism

819
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: a lot, and they feel like people like this are

820
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: just sticking it to like the you know, banks and

821
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, the like there's no there's there's no actual victim.

822
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, when people don't pay their car payments and

823
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: they're like, so what so land Rover doesn't get my money?

824
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Speaker 2: Or well, well that would that would be okay. If

825
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: the person was fell flat, flat on flat on their

826
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: fees at the term and they had no money and

827
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Speaker 2: they couldn't pay, then it's not a it's not criminal.

828
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Speaker 2: It's just a financial situation. This is criminal. I'm sorry,

829
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: but you take fifty million dollars or more so, you

830
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Speaker 2: because you think you should live a certain lifestyle. Screw them.

831
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Speaker 1: She also states during a press conference that if people

832
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Speaker 1: knew the countless hours and money in time I spent

833
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Speaker 1: going to d C literally with not a meeting scheduled,

834
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Speaker 1: and I just got on a plane and went and said,

835
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the right room and the

836
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Speaker 1: right time, I meet the right people. So basically, I

837
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Speaker 1: know she spoke during the RNC and I think she

838
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Speaker 1: her She alleges that her parents were unfairly prosecuted and

839
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: gone after because they were supporters of Trump, so that

840
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: it was a political She was wrong.

841
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: They were going after them because because they committed crimes

842
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: and owed fifty million dollars. She forgot that part.

843
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he claims in his press conference that they are

844
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Speaker 1: completely innocent.

845
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Speaker 2: So I would But you know what, that's the thing,

846
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: the pardon. I bet you a million bucks that party

847
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: may it like, see, we didn't do anything. See that's right.

848
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: Now they can run around and claim innocence. But if

849
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: it was just commuted, then maybe they could not run

850
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: around and say we didn't do anything. They wouldn't have

851
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: that argument.

852
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Well, I would love for them to take the opportunity

853
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: to prove how they are innocent, because as far they.

854
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: Already had an opportunity and they sucked at it and

855
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: they went to.

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00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: Jail for I know, but I'm saying now after the fact,

857
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: if you're going to do press conferences and continuously talk

858
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: about how you're innocent and you didn't do anything wrong

859
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: and that's why you were pardoned, then how are you innocent?

860
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Let's see it?

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00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: Are we going to see him out? Bravo? Con I

862
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: don't know, beause I have some questions.

863
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: Todd also spoke and maintained that he and Julie did

864
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: not commit the crimes for which they were convicted. Quote,

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Speaker 1: even though this pardon happened, I still was convicted of

866
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: something I did not do. It could be you, It

867
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Speaker 1: could be you, It could be any of you. He

868
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: said during a press conference that it.

869
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Speaker 2: Could never be me because I will never take out

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Speaker 2: a loan for fifty million dollars.

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00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Well it was falsified, fifi.

872
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: I don't care whatever. I wouldn't falsify paperwork to get alane. Yeah,

873
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: so it will never be me.

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Speaker 1: Chrisly Todd and Julie Cristly's alleged pricey demand for their

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Speaker 1: TV comeback raises eyebrows in Hollywood. This was an article

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Speaker 1: on Daily Mail. Apparently they are shopping or they're being

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Speaker 1: offered a brand new reality series documenting their return back

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Speaker 1: into their normal life post prison. According to sources, that

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Speaker 1: might not be a problem, as many TV production companies

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Speaker 1: are considering signing the couple. However, their price may be

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Speaker 1: a hindrance as they're seeking a seven figure payout. Recently,

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Speaker 1: some television producers opened up to The Daily Mail sharing

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Speaker 1: their thoughts about Todd and Julie's extremely high price tag. Quote,

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Speaker 1: we would love to work with them, but their price

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Speaker 1: tag is way too high.

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Speaker 2: One the complication has no assets. Now he's got to

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Speaker 2: build up his wardrobe, right, He's got to catch up

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Speaker 2: on whatever procedures he didn't get while he was locked up.

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Speaker 1: They also shared that they weren't entirely sure if Todd

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Speaker 1: and Joy would be worth such a huge amount, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Would people want to watch them? The producer asked.

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Speaker 1: Another producer revealed that the specific amount Todd and Julie

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Speaker 1: were requesting. According to them, the couple is allegedly asking

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Speaker 1: for a whopping five million dollar minimum to make a

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Speaker 1: reality show post prison. That's where their conversation starts. Five million,

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Speaker 1: but they're hoping for a bidding war to take the

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Speaker 1: price even higher.

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Speaker 2: So it should be in the slammer.

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Speaker 1: So you're not a fan, you're a fan. Listen, here's

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Speaker 1: my thoughts on pardoning. I understand and I understand the

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Speaker 1: Constitution and the president has pardon power, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. I feel, however, just because of the work

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Speaker 1: that I do and the things that I'm involved in.

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Speaker 1: I mean I look at cases and things, see things

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Speaker 1: all the time and meet people involved in the Innocence project.

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Speaker 1: My mind, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Thinking, why are we at those cases?

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Speaker 1: Why are we not taking it deeper? Are why is

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Speaker 1: there not a consultantdenzar.

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Speaker 2: Or in addition to a pardons aar, they should have

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Speaker 2: a wrongly convicted zaar. Yeah, I would love it for

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Speaker 2: those because the lady that was appointed as the pardons are.

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Speaker 1: Alice.

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Speaker 2: She's awesome, she is and she's lived up to her

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Speaker 2: end of the deal of just being a good person

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Speaker 2: to society and trying to help those who you know,

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Speaker 2: need to get back up on their feet. And she's

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Speaker 2: the one that sought out the chrislies. I think in

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Speaker 2: some fashion. I mean, she was probably approached, but she

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Speaker 2: did her homework because I watched an interview with her,

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Speaker 2: she did her homework and she felt after doing her

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Speaker 2: homework that they were wrongly convicted or and definitely wrongly

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Speaker 2: sentenced or harshly sentenced. So I do know that she's

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Speaker 2: a pretty genuine good woman. So I hope that she

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Speaker 2: did her homework enough. But I still disagree.

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Speaker 1: Well, you disagree on I disagree.

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Speaker 2: Based on what I know, right, there might be things

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Speaker 2: I don't know. No, I know what I know, you

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Speaker 2: know what you know. I don't think I know what.

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Speaker 1: I guess. The point of what I was saying was

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Speaker 1: in the in the field and the things that I

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Speaker 1: work in, and you have been involved in a lot

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Speaker 1: of it, and we meet a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: have been wrongfully convicted, and my question is why are

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Speaker 1: we not investing more time and energy into those cases

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Speaker 1: that the Innocence Project picks up and puts all this

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Speaker 1: time and energy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess the argument is if they were pardon

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Speaker 2: then the argument is they were wrongly convicted. So they were,

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Speaker 2: But I would.

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Speaker 1: Rather I would just I would If we're going to

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Speaker 1: have pardoning power, we're going to pardon people. I would

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Speaker 1: rather pardon someone that has been in prison for a

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Speaker 1: long time that was either wrongfully.

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Speaker 2: Convicted, like one of the cases that you help with,

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Speaker 2: or it takes they have evidence and now it still

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Speaker 2: takes yes years, yes to actually yes, get it overturned.

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Speaker 1: I am released, right.

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Speaker 2: But you're saying so when the president can just come in, well,

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Speaker 2: assuming it's a federal crime, when the president can come

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Speaker 2: in or the guf A R could come in his

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Speaker 2: boom and get him out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I wish there was I just needed

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Speaker 1: maybe the Christie should have a reality show where they

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Speaker 1: go around the prisons and they talk to people. That's

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Speaker 1: what they should do. Did you hear that, Todd and

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Speaker 1: Julie Chrisly if you're looking for a reality show because

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Speaker 1: they did complain. You see an interview with Todd Christly

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Speaker 1: where he does talk about the prison environment and how

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Speaker 1: bad it is and how bad the food is, and

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Speaker 1: he did say he said that African Americans are treated

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Speaker 1: more poorly than the white prisoners, and he said he

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Speaker 1: received privileges because he was white, and he he made

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Speaker 1: that known. He said it in an interview.

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Speaker 2: See that's interesting. So you do your part and bring

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Speaker 2: all that to the public and expose those things and

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Speaker 2: try to make it better.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I there, that's a good solution. We together would

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Speaker 1: get behind a reality show with the Chrislies if they

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Speaker 1: want to do prison reform or do some type of

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Speaker 1: Innocent's project or or work with wrongly convicted and.

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Speaker 2: Then he has to give all his money back to

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Speaker 2: the bank.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, but because he has to give the money

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Speaker 1: back to all right, that is the Chryslies will keep

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Speaker 1: you updated and on things that have to do with

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Speaker 1: Diddy and Lively and if there's any more that comes

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Speaker 1: with the Chrystlies will be aware of whether they get

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Speaker 1: their reality show or not, or whether they listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and then we'll recap it, recap shot the

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Speaker 1: reality show. Yes, all right, thanks guys for listening to

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Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. We appreciate it. And as always a lot

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Speaker 1: of you send me dms and tell me your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about cases and cases that you think that we should

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Speaker 1: talk about. So I appreciate that, so please continue to

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Speaker 1: do that.