1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Y'all, this is a special Wednesday episode. This case requires 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: not a crime roundup, but a full fledged Zone seven episode. 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: So I welcome my buddy and my partner, Joshua Schiffer 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: to Zone seven. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Hey, what a story for us to cover? And if 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: there's one that just has so many of the issue 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: and it's one that's just starting and the discussions. 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: Just happening, and they've got to happen, and they've got 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: to happen at every level of this thing. Because one 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: of the first things I thought about is this singer 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: songwriter who goes by David. Most people I think that 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: are going to hear this episode were unfamiliar with him 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: until this case started. But you know, as a defense attorney, 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: you have a pr problem. 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Oh a big one. And this guy's got enough fame 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: that as soon as this kind of percolated up into 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: my network, I was like, well, hold on, who's this guy? 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: And his fan base is Rabbit. It only took a 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: couple of clicks before I found, you know, full on 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: heart Throbby. This is my crooner. I love him, He's 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: the best, he will do nothing wrong. He's completely innocent 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: at and which you know that's the heart of fandom. 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: It's a classic trope. You know, pin ups and pop 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: stars have been popular for a long time. But I 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: was wholly unfamiliar with this gentleman. 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Likewise, the first thing that I heard was a fifteen 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: year old girl was found in the trunk of a 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: car that had been abandoned. And then the next thing 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: I read was that car had not been reported stolen. Well, 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: I got a problem off the rip because you got 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: to in your name that you have not reported stolen. 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: But there's a dead juvenile in that trunk. That's that's 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: bad all day. There's nothing I'm going to be able 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: to spend. There's nothing I'm going to be able to say, Hey, 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this happened, maybe that happened, because y'all, 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: in my world, coincidence they don't exist. They just don't. 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: And if I've got enough things that you know, kind 38 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: of resonate that some people might call, well that's just 39 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: a coincidence. That's not fact. No, that's a fact. And 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the more that came out, Joshua, you've got a fifteen 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: year old girl. She has been identified. What we learned 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: from that identification is that she ran away at thirteen. 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: Now I want to stop right there and you and 44 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: I just talk about runaways for a minute. 45 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: There's a couple of things. I also just want to 46 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: add a little bit of association. Cheryl's not talking about 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: some burnout JELOPPI that this was a tesla. I don't. 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that really abandons newsh What the 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: oldest tesla's what five ten years old? Highly automated, expensive, 50 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: A lot of them are least you can track them 51 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: all over the place. I think if they break down, 52 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: they connect to their own whatever roadside assisted that that 53 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: car didn't just end up. 54 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: There, no, sir, And let me tell y'all, I had 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: a crime scene my department. We are real near Delta Airlines. 56 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Oh boys, there was a pilot that parked his tesla. 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about that car except I couldn't 58 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: get one. 59 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: It's a mystery. When they first came out, Oh, they 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: were so beautiful now their planet woo. 61 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean the entire roof was glass. I mean it's 62 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: gorgeous car. Well, these folks we're in the parking lot, 63 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: not associated with the pilot or his car. One of 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: the subjects robbed a man, beat him and ran off 65 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: the establishment had no cameras. A day or so goes by. 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: This man comes to the police department as for the 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: crime scene investigator. I go to the lobby. He said, ma'am, 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to give something to you regarding the incident 69 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: that occurred the other day in the parking lot. I said, okay, 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: and he hands me this tiny I mean super tiny, 71 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: looks like a looks like something you would put into 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: a computer, but super little. And he said, my car 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: got the whole thing on tape, like on camera. Oh my, 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: it's the clearest, most beautiful. You can't imagine how perfect 75 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: that video is. 76 00:04:53,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: The availability of these in vehicle cameras, the latest versions 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: of the rings and the blinks and the other cameras. 78 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm just setting some up here. I've got a trail 79 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: cam now on my lamp. I saw that to the 80 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: Internet and although the picture I post is not particularly sharp, 81 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: in fact, it may be bigfoot out there. But really 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: it's amazing to see how effective this this latent surveillance 83 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: universe has become. And I know people freak out about product. Listen, 84 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: it's public space as far as I'm concerned. Put cameras 85 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: everywhere you want to go get privacy, go into a 86 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: private spot. 87 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: And to your point, nobody just ditches that car. 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: No, come on, now, you gotta be nuts, gotta be nuts. 89 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: And they record everything. And you know, this comes back 90 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: to the first round of when we started communicating with 91 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: vehicles through manufacturers. There was that whole line of cases 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: from on Star, which I think was a Chevy or 93 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: Cadillac product, something like that, and there was a series 94 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: of cases where the FEDS figured out, you just turn 95 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: on the microphone if you got a warrant. 96 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right. 97 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: There are a couple of sporty cases that in that line. 98 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: That car's got a black box. They're gonna know what 99 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: door was open, when the trunk was open, when it moved, 100 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: when it moved forward or backwards in real time. So 101 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to go to correspond and 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, ring cameras on neighbors. 103 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna find out how that little girl ended 104 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: up it there now the pathway to there. There may 105 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: be some questions, but you'll have the ability to track 106 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: where that car may have begun, may have spent time, 107 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: where it last was. It's one of the dumber tools 108 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: you could use as a criminal because it's gonna tell 109 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: the police, Hey, we were just here and then we 110 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: were here, and this is where we were, and we 111 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: might have some pictures of it. And here's some other 112 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: if there was another tesla nearby, I think that they 113 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: can talk to each other. Kate, there's all kinds of 114 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: different ways that that car registers on things. 115 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the flot camera, that'll get a good picture of 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the driver. And here I want to go back now 117 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: to the runaway because it's the core and nobody's talking 118 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: about it. 119 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 2: You and I at the same time, kind of earlier 120 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: this week both go hey, did you hear what's up 121 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: with this story? Like the True Crime Universe, we see 122 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: headlines upon headlines upon headlines, and so many of them 123 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: are you can tell there's a really compelling issue behind it. 124 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: But this sticks out like a sore thumb because the 125 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: fact that thirteen year olds don't disappear and this one didn't. 126 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: People looked This wasn't a child that was unloved or abandoned. 127 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: This was a child that had a deep connection to 128 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: community and for all intents and purposes, from this pon 129 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: now she was almost hiding in playing sight. 130 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: A thirteen year old with no parents. She's not going 131 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: to school, so no teachers, no principles, no pediatrician, nobody 132 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: knows where she's at. Got food, got clothing, got shelter, 133 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: got jewelry, got tattoos, at least one that we know of. 134 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: She possibly got drugs and other things. How how does 135 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old do that without a job and 136 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: without a home base, y'all? The answer ain't good. It's 137 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: not good. 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: It's really going to throw a lot of tough questions 139 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: that don't have good answers out there because you've got 140 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: a thirteen year old that goes missing. Okay, so where's 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: the community? How do you track her down? It's now 142 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: turned out that clearly she knew this David guy in 143 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: some way, whether as a fan or whether someone that 144 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: was eventually it looks to be very closely associated with 145 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: him at such a young age, and then just to 146 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: disappear with all the people that love her not being 147 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: able to find her. Other people saw this child the community. 148 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: You don't just disappear. You're still out there in the community. 149 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: Where was the see something, say something? Universe? Right? 150 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: And Mama knew she had a boyfriend named David. Mama 151 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: has come forward and said that, so, what are the 152 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: odds it ain't this David. 153 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: And now we're hearing all the rest of the keys 154 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: to this story that connect and allegedly, ostensibly this David 155 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: gentleman is cooperating in some sort of limited manner with 156 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: law enforcement. He is apparently on tour, because this gentleman 157 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: has some sort of hit or two or three and 158 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: is quite the beloved entertainer for a certain group. He's 159 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: been coming, certainly not a national name, but here we are. 160 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: He's on tour and an abandoned tesla with the body 161 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: of a no longer thirteen because it's been way over 162 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: almost two years since this child disappeared, and here is 163 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: her body popping up in a tesla owned by him 164 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: that does not appear to have been moved or seen 165 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: much or or messed with. It looks abandoned. Her body's 166 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,479 Speaker 2: inside it. And now we're finding out there are songs 167 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: connecting them. 168 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: A song title is her name. They have matching tattoos 169 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: with s ajjh like sh like Rayhanna has on their 170 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: pointer finger. I noticed in her runaway poster they said 171 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: she was wearing Hello Kitty, shoes. In one of the 172 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: images where he's singing, he's wearing Hello Kitty earrings again. 173 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: She's in his car in the trunk, decomposed. He's the 174 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: number one suspect right this minute. There ain't nobody else 175 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: you should be concentrating on right now. And I want 176 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: to go back to something because I want to be 177 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: super clear. Any teacher that's listening, any detective, any police officer, 178 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: any parole or probation officer, y'all know I'm telling the truth. 179 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: A thirteen year old cannot sustain themselves for years without 180 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: actively being in prostitution, being trafficked, having some type of 181 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: underworld where they're in the drug game and they sell 182 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: a little and use a little, or in some type 183 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: of domestic violence relationship. If this started when she first 184 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: ran away. How does a thirteen year old meet an 185 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: eighteen year old? How does a fifteen year old meet 186 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: a twenty year old? A thirteen or fifteen year old 187 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: that's on the street, They don't meet them in any 188 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: situation that's not a bad one. 189 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: When you see that kind of relationship in public, you 190 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: notice it. And wherever they were staying, whoever they were with, 191 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 2: where were they shopping, like, how does that not catch 192 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: the attention of the people who are supposed to be watching? 193 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: And that's what gets us back. And it's a discussion 194 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: that I think is really valid. And I never like 195 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: to beat up on parents or to criticize parents, because 196 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: I don't know the journey their child has put them through. 197 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: I know that children are all different, and I have 198 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: had parents as clients and just seeing what they have 199 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: to I don't have that skill set, I don't have 200 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: that tools. I would need help. But at the same time, 201 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: parents allowing things so far out of acceptable, when do 202 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: we start really questioning and holding them responsible. If your 203 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: child is of a substantial age difference, you kind of 204 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: got to say something thirteen year olds and eighteen and 205 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: twenty year old No, no, it just doesn't work. And 206 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: we see that in this case, But then it brings 207 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: up all these other cases of this kind of the 208 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: arena where we have young women being winked and nodded 209 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: into the private presence of predators. 210 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: I hear people say, oh, you know, I only date 211 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: girls that the dad's not in the house. I have 212 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: literally heard people say that, can you think of anybody 213 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: more vulnerable than her? She has no parents. She has 214 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: no teachers, no coaches, no preachers, no neighbors. Like when 215 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: you and I grew up, our neighbors would correct us, 216 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: don't you get in that car with that fool boy. 217 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: It was the community that we relied on because we 218 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: were so interacting with each other. And it's yet again 219 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: of spin off of the dehumanization of modern society that 220 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: you may not even know your neighbors, let alone know 221 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: them well enough that they'd be comfortable grabbing your kid 222 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: in protecting them, acting as a substitute. You know, community 223 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: parent where I was raised in the eighties in the 224 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: burbs of Atlanta, and even then in the subdivision, and 225 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: none of the parents had a problem grabbing all the 226 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: kids running in a pack, and that's what it was. 227 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: And lord knows if you did that now, probably some 228 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: be knocking on my door, going, Josh, I want to 229 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: sue this parent he yelled at my kid. And you 230 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't believe the number of cases where we get nice 231 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: citizens who believe they have been wronged or aggrieved in 232 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: some way that even peels my eyes back. Who thinks 233 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: he's hurt everything because they're coming up with new stuff 234 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: and it's just how sensitive people are. And it's the 235 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: decline of that connected community that as America I believe 236 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: we've just lost. I think that's the cost of growth. 237 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: And it's said, well, you know one other thing, I 238 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: want to just cut off at the past. If anybody's 239 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: going to say, well, you know, she has run away before, 240 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: she's been living on the street. She's mature, She's more 241 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: grown than most people. My sister Sharon taught sixth grade 242 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: for thirty four years, and I remember one day I 243 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: went to her class to visit her, and you know, 244 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: all the kids in there looked like sixth graders, and 245 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: then this one student walked in. She had on a 246 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: cheerleading uniform. She was a beautiful child. Okay, like some 247 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: of them were embraces, you know that, you. 248 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: Know those years I just have one enter in high school. 249 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this child walked in. You couldn't ignore that 250 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: she was striking. And I think I made some statement 251 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: about man, she could go up to the high school 252 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: right now and blend in or something to that effect 253 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: and sharing whit nay talk to her for five minutes. 254 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: There is no way a twenty year old man doesn't 255 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: know he's talking to a fifteen year old girl. 256 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: It's one of those It's one of those things where 257 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: in all those you know, to catch a predator style 258 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: cases and you hear why you never make statements because 259 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna swear you think you're making sense. 260 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: You don't, you don't, don't. No cop doesn't employ any 261 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: super special interrogation tools to get you to sound like 262 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: a just. 263 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: Fool, right, and especially when every other man is going, yeah, 264 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: not a shot, no chance. 265 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: Who's worse on that jurney? The dads are the moms 266 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: like at some point it's like, nope, sorry, I've heard 267 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: the lines. You sir, are not being honest for right 268 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: and are trying. 269 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: To look because here's the reality. Men, no other. 270 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: Men, Oh well that's the that's the issue. 271 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: We may go. Oh my gosh. 272 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: All sex related cases. 273 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: Is absolutely but women we can we can be fooled. 274 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: You get somebody smile at you, right, bring you some flowers. 275 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: You're a sucker. Where you may go, Cheryl, you don't 276 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: need to be around him. He ain't right for you, 277 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: he ain't right for nobody. He's only in it for himself. 278 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: And I'll be like, oh Josh, you don't understand we're 279 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: in love because he brought me flowers once in seven 280 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: years and he's still looking for a job. But he's gonna. 281 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: Find all the self justification acrobatics that you see. And 282 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: here's the thing that I'll just and I'm sorry, I 283 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: rip this band aid off for all of the listeners. 284 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: Men are little monsters when they're being developed and growing 285 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: because some of the stops on the station between child 286 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: and adult male involved dealing with some fundamentally heavy duty 287 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: evolution creation based stuff. And even the best men have 288 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: at some point been exposed, laughed at, had the thought 289 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: themself some pretty wild stuff, so that when we see 290 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: it in the world, we know exactly what we're looking at. 291 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: And every man, you know, knows a guy that they'd 292 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: never let hang out with their loved one if it's 293 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: a woman. Everyone one of us, every one of us 294 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: knows at least one guy where it's like nope, never, 295 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: never be like guy like that. And every one of 296 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: us sees these men and we're like, man, it's gonna 297 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: take someone else special to marry that one. And it's 298 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 2: shocking because we've seen the behind the scenes, and we 299 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: believe in the goodness of change and how you know, 300 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: people are different in different settings, but uh, we know 301 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: the uglies out there. So when we see these FORCCTA situations, Man, 302 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: don't bullshit, don't bs me. Don't you got you got 303 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: a head and a torso of a fifteen year old 304 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: in a tesla in a plastic bin. She's been gone 305 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: for almost two years, with her whole universe looking for. 306 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: There's a lot more than a simple runaway. 307 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Going on, and photographs have already come out of the 308 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: two of them. There's the song that's already come out, 309 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: that it in an official song, the fact that the 310 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: song was released on her birthday. Mama just happens to 311 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: know your name. These are not things. I don't think 312 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to wiggle out up 313 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: and you know we can use allegedly, we can say 314 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: right now he hasn't been named as a suspect. All 315 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: of those things are true. But in my world, I 316 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: am single focused. I want the trunk of that car. 317 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: I want the plastic bag, the ben I want to 318 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: know what's outside. Is there any fingerprints? Can I swallow 319 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: for DNA? Anything inside the knots where it was tied? 320 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: And I want to know what's inside. People think, oh, 321 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: I can throw everything in this bag and nothing's gonna 322 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: come back on me. You are wrong. Even if something 323 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: is being decomposed and there's fluid and there's heat, trust me, 324 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: there's evidence inside that bag. Again, we already know the tattoo. 325 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: We know she was not well. Let me just say 326 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: it this way. We believe, we already know she was decapitated. 327 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: So that tells you she was killed somewhere else, placed 328 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: in the plastic, placed in the band, and put in 329 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: the trunk of that car where that car was disposed. 330 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: So we have another primary crime scene. You can't clean. 331 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: That up, Cheryl. Do you hear that noise in the distance. 332 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: That's the door opening and it's the closet. I'm gonna 333 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: have to take out my criminal defense hat and put 334 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: it on now because here comes the record skip, and 335 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: everybody turn around and go hold on, because everything Cheryl's 336 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: talking about makes so much sense. And it does, and 337 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: it makes me believe that this guy was absolutely at 338 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: the heart of this crime. But when I put on 339 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: the criminal defense hat, let's talk about what you just mentioned. Decapitated, 340 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: killed somewhere else, stuffed in a box, putting a car deposited. 341 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: You think that's one person, I don't. Do you think 342 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: that there's another crime scene. I'm pretty certain there is. 343 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: I agree with you, there's another crime scene with an 344 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: unknown number of people that could have had access to 345 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: this vehicle. For all we know, this dude owns thirty cars. 346 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: We've got some celebrities around here where thirty cars doesn't 347 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: even get you past the front row in the garage. 348 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: That's true. 349 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: We know you and I both know some celebrities that 350 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: have entourages that have a variety of mandates. And those 351 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: entourages can be involved in the legitimate running of businesses 352 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: and selling merchant planning concerts, or they can also sell 353 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: dope work sex workers do all kinds of nefarious things, 354 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 2: and it's the whole gamut. Body men get dope for people. 355 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: Body man can acquire lots of people. And so what 356 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: happened with this relationship with this girl and who else 357 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: was there? And that brings up the unfortunate third party defense, 358 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: which is super effective. And this guy gets charged and 359 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: it's just him standing there by himself in front of 360 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: a jury, and he turns around and goes, Nope, yeah, 361 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: I knew her. I was in love with her, but 362 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: then we broke up and I never saw her again. Yeah, 363 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: last time I saw her she was with you know, 364 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: security guard, Steve. 365 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: And Steve knows where the keys are to the tesla. 366 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: He knew I was going to be out of town 367 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: on tour. 368 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: Saying that that's an innocence defense, because it ain't. But 369 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: it sure as heck stops beyond a reasonable doubt with 370 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: a murder. And that's going to be part of this investigation, 371 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: which is why I think, and I think share. I'll 372 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: speak for you too. This case is just the tip 373 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: right now. We have not even seen this hit the 374 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: main news wire yet, but this is going to be 375 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: a big fascination because there's too many questions. 376 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: I preach this all the time. Patterns, patterns, patterns, pattern jaw. 377 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: If he did know her and they were in a relationship, 378 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: which is what I believe to be true from what 379 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: I know now, they had a rhythm of Texan and calling, 380 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: sharing pictures, I bet it stopped. I bet he ain't 381 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: been trying to get in touch with her while he's 382 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: been on tour, because she was found September eighth, his 383 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: first tour date. I believe from what I can find 384 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: online with Seattle September seventeenth, he has now canceled the 385 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: whole tour. Well, that tells me he doesn't believe he's 386 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: going to be able to be on tour September, October 387 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: or November. That to me is beyond cooperating with the police. 388 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: If I was going to cooperate, I don't think it's 389 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: going to take me three months and tell them what 390 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: I know. 391 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: And that'll be interesting because all right, so now we 392 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: get into how much can you plan a defense if 393 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: you're guilty? And this is of course completely hypothetical, but 394 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: we see it all the time. Something awful happens. Oh, 395 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: I hit it. No one's gonna know. Whoops, it got discovered. 396 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: Good thing. I've got my cover story already worked out 397 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: and it's perfect. Share. There's no way they're going to 398 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: be able to bust through this cover story. That cover 399 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 2: up is always the best pathway towards culpability, because the 400 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 2: cover up is so much harder than you think it is. 401 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: The cover up's the first lie. 402 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, the loosening that you don't even understand, or flapping 403 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: in the wind. 404 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: And let's just say, whoever killed her? The killer maybe 405 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: didn't planet and then in a panic, how do I 406 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: get her out of the house? How do I get 407 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: her out of the hotel? How do I get her 408 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: out of the woods. You got to chop her up 409 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: because she's too heavy. 410 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, because you're talking about a headless torso with no. 411 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: And now you've left a lot of evidence. 412 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: How that happens is just like Cheryl said, Wow, I 413 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: got a problem on my hands. I'm going to fix 414 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: it the way. Hold on, what do the movies tell 415 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: you to do? Okay, I'm gonna do that. 416 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: Right, Which is the reason I tell people all the time, 417 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna find somebody in a shallow grave because they 418 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: don't know how much work it takes to dig a 419 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: sixt grave. Yeah, never in my life have I responded 420 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: anything more than a shallow grave. 421 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: No, no, And if you ever see an actual grave digger, 422 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: they use huge, heavy machinery because six feet is a 423 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: couple of yards of sort. Man, you spend all day 424 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: doing that, and really, people are coburger. Not to bring 425 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 2: up a name that I'm sick of here and uh 426 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: so many of these individuals, when a crime has occurred, 427 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: feel that they can wrap it up, even the Tyler 428 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: Robinson from his texts his mistake. I had to leave 429 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: the rifle. Remember, had he not left that rifle, there 430 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: would be virtually no physical evidence for the for the 431 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: FEDS to investigate and absent his parents doing the right thing. 432 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: It was a it was a gold star week for 433 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: parents and true crime. We wouldn't know anything. 434 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you that there's going to be more 435 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: and more and more that comes out. There's gonna be 436 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: some people that have been around both of them. Some 437 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: will talk and they're going to be able to tell it. 438 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: They're going to have photographs on their phone, They're going 439 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: to have text messages from her, They're gonna have videos 440 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: of the two of them. This is not going to 441 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: be a one way street for David Joshua as a father. Well, 442 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: you just close this episode out and talk about the 443 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl. 444 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 2: Well, I really want everybody to know her name and 445 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: remember it because that's the only way we change things. 446 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: And Celeste Reevas Hernandez is unfortunately going to be a 447 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: famous and well known name in the crime universe because 448 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: of the egregiousness of this crime. Due to the common 449 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: themes of losing control of teenagers and children, and how 450 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: we as a community raise our kids, especially when kids 451 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: are coming out of tough situations. We don't need to 452 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: worry about the kids with both parents in a four 453 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: to oh one k and a college scholarship and a trust. 454 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: Those kids, sure they may have issues, but I don't 455 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: worry about them. It's those kids that were on the 456 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: fringe that fall through crack where a thirteen year old 457 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: can disappear for almost two years, show up tattooed, decapitated, 458 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: stuffed in a trunk in an abandoned tesla owned by 459 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: a celebrity. You're gonna tell me that our society is 460 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 2: functioning well when that can have no And these are 461 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: the messages and the lessons that we all need to 462 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: think about when it comes to law and or and 463 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: crime and justice and how we raise and take care 464 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: of our communities. Because all it would have taken is 465 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: some adult who cared in the right way to get involved. 466 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: And I hope that you're that adult. I try to 467 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: be that adult. It's hard to be the person doing 468 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: the right thing, but it's really the way we heal 469 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: the world and fulfill our promise as part of creation. 470 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 471 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: always do, with a quote in the back of my mind. 472 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: I killed you and I didn't even regret it. I 473 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: can't believe I said it, but it's true. I hate you, 474 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: David from Romantic Homicide. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is 475 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: Zone Saven.