1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You get a lot of athletes, especially superb physical specimens, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: who don't know how to rehab because they just basically 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: cruise through their entire career. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Well, Carol joining us right now injury expert, and make 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: sure you go check out his substack, his newsletter under 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: the Knife, give it a follow. He's awesome. He's going 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: to join us throughout the season to give us expert 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: analysis on the injuries that you need to know more about. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Will great to see you. I'm going to try and 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: do a little positivity. First. Let's talk about a couple 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: of players that are coming back. So I'll start with show. Hey, 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: o Tani. I don't think there's any past precedent on 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: what he's dealing with, so I'll let you handle how 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: he returns from a second elbow surgery to pitch and 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: to maintain his incredible hitting prowess. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. He should be comeback Player of 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the Year. But can you be a comeback player if 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: he didn't go away? You know, obviously he's kind of 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: two versions, so the hitting version pretty good, pitching version 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: also pretty good. But we've never had this kind of thing. 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: I do think Mark Pryor had a great point the 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: other day, and then he was saying, it's not like 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: he was pitching last year, but he was rehabbing, and 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: the rehabbing so regimented. You have to do all these things, 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: you have to get in your work every single day, 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: and he did that. So it's not like pitching and 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: hitting is unusual for him. He's done it for years. 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: What's unusual is being able to do it at the 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: same time and the type of surgery has which is 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: still something of a mystery. Doctor Neil la Trash for 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the Dodger still hasn't told exactly what he did. And 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: with these augmented elbow reconstructions, let alone a revision, we 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: just don't have a lot of data to work on. 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: Everything so far has looked really positive. So I'm curious 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: about the timeline. I'm curious how they're gonna work it 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: in with Clayton Kershaw coming back, but starting on the 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: sixty day, I'm just not sure how they're gonna put 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: things together, whether it's a five man or six man. 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: I just know what we've seen from Otani means everything 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: is online with that rehab. If he were just a pitcher, 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: we'd be talking about how good he looks rather than 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: what an unusual case he is. 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: Okay, we don't know what he had. I want to 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: know how slow are they going to have to take it? 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: And then who's going to be back to full strength 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: quicker Otani pitching or Acuna in his knee, because the 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: Braves have said they're going to take it slow. The 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: Dodgers have said they're going to take it slow with Otani. 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: So who do you think will be back to one 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: hundred percent more rapidly? 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: Do we get two hundred percent out of Otani? I 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: think with Otani there's no They're not just taking it slow. 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: They're taking it ridiculously slow. We know it was an 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: augmented procedure and that internal brace is supposed to get 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: you back faster. We've seen over and over in other sports, 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: European soccer, these guys are coming back from ankle surgery 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: in weeks. Even in baseball, if you remember when Mike 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: Route popped his thumb, we've had guys going all the 59 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: way back to Dustin Pedroia. It used to be six 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: to eight weeks. Now it's three to four because of 61 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: that augmented ucl same thing in the elbow, but we're 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: not getting guys back faster because we're using a rehab 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: that was designed in nineteen seventy four. Frenk Job came 64 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: up with it. Mike Marshall tweaked it a little bit. 65 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: Kevin wilk has done a lot of good into it. 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: But this eighteen month timeframe is ridiculous for something that 67 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to do it back. So I don't think 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: they're taking it slow. They're taking it ridiculously slow. On Acunya, 69 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: he's gone through this before. He obviously it was the 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: other knee. He knows the process. This was old hat. 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: He wishes he didn't have to do it. But I 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be a problem for him. 73 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, we see NFL running backs coming back from this. 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: We see pretty much everybody acls are six to nine months, 75 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: so again he's at the tail end of that. I 76 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: don't think they have to take it easy with him. Obviously, 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll run as much, but I don't 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: think there's going to be any day deficits. He sure 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: look good coming back from the first one. 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: Hitting on before I hit rendon, hitting on a Kunya. 81 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: His exact quote was, I feel way better than I 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: did the last time. Are there things you can learn 83 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: about players' bodies? I mean, he had the same injury, 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: just on a different knee, as far as how to 85 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: rehab them or how to break up scar tissue because 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: everybody scars differently. Are there things that you could learn 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: from one rehab process than to the other leg which 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: is rare for most people, but on the same player. 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: No, it's more that you've just done it, you've gone 90 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: through it. Everything is new. The first time, he knew anything, 91 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: so he knew what was coming, he knew what the 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: schedule was, he knew he was going to come back 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: fine from it. You get a lot of athletes, especially 94 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: superb physical specimens, who don't know how to rehab because 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: they just basically cruised through their entire career. They're going 96 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: to be away from their teammates, somewhat, they're in pain, 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: it's a whole new process. So it wasn't a new process. 98 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: He'd probably be better with a third time, God forbid. 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: But it's one of those situations where I think he's 100 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: just more confident because he knows how well he came 101 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: back last time. 102 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: Okay, talk about another superstar that's been injured a lot 103 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: Anthony Rendon was a star and the injuries have been there. 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: Now he's got a hip that pops up when we 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 3: look at it, we say, ooh, you know chronic hip, 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: or wait a minute, it's chronic. Why was this not 107 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: taking care of in October? What is the what is 108 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: the prognosis of somebody coming back from a second hip surgery? 109 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really interesting the timing of it. It's 110 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: as if they were just going to say, you know, 111 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: how can we get him out of here? But there 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: is an injury. I'm not saying this is fraudulent. I'm 113 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: not saying they're faking this whole thing. It's just I 114 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: don't think they cared at this stage. They didn't know 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: whether he's gonna play, he's gonna get paid one way 116 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: or the other. I don't know whether there's there's a 117 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: disability policy on him. Most players don't have it because 118 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: they're really expensive and don't pay off. So it's one 119 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: of those situations where it's just tough. His body has 120 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: broken down, and someday we'll be able to go in 121 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: there and take a DNA swab and figure out whether 122 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna hold together. I find it really interesting going 123 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: back to Acunya. You know, do we learn anything about 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: his brother, who's an up and comer with the Mets, 125 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: because you know his brother has had bad knees. I 126 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know about genetics. But it's really 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: intriguing with Brenda and he's just broken down. The timing 128 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: is iffy, but I'm not sure how much he is 129 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: gonna play. The thing about him is it's not one thing. 130 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: He's been on the DL or excuse me, il thirteen 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: times and it's like eleven different things if you count 132 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: separate hamstring strands and things like that. So his body's 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: just broken down and you don't normally come back from that. 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: Well it comes to well, my DNA, it's perfect. By 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: the way, I'm just saying, just say, just say come 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: swab it. 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It's not 167 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: like he's playing out in the album throwing with both arms. 168 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: I don't know a time. 169 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a couple interesting things here. First, it's 170 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: probably not tennis elbow. I think he was looking for 171 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: something understandable, so like tennis elbow. When Aaron Boon said that, 172 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I think it was just trying to explain it. It's 173 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: it is tenanitis with tennis elbow. It's a very specific type. 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: It's because of the motion of the racket, which you 175 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: don't have with the bat. You know, some of that 176 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: vibration he is going into the elbows in the arms 177 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: not much, you know, even with these guys going in 178 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: there and taking a thousand cuts off the hit tracks 179 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: or the traject you just don't see this repetitive stress. 180 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Injuries like this are usually the result of you know, 181 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: these old wooden and metal rackets, and we've seen a 182 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: significant reduction of that. So I think it's just ten 183 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: and eightists. I don't know the cause, you know, he's 184 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: always been a very tightly wound guy, so that could 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: be part of it. He's big, he's huge, he swings 186 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: really really hard. But when we're looking at other guys 187 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: in that range, they haven't had these issues. I think 188 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: it's maybe a little bit interesting with Otani given that 189 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: he also pitches, so there's different stresses on the elbow, 190 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: but this is just a really unusual one. I think 191 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: the key here is that it was managed not just 192 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: last year, but the year before, so this is an 193 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: ongoing thing. They know how to get him ready to play, 194 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: and he certainly looked good. If they can just do 195 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: whatever it was they did in October for the entire year, 196 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that would be much better for the Yankees. 197 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: Is there a way to avoid that? I mean, talking 198 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: specifically about Geez Tennis elbows are the tendonitis that he 199 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: has in his elbows? Because as a player, if I'm 200 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: looking on I'm like, whoa John Carlos jacked? He is huge? 201 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: Like how could he get hurt? I always wanted to 202 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: figure out whatever it took, because if I got hurt, 203 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: I wasn't not going to make the team. 204 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: I was just not going to be playing anymore. 205 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: So there's players out there that is there a way 206 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: to avoid this kind of thing, or is it just 207 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: like you know, some people have it, some people don't take. 208 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: A little of that. I mean, going back to the genetics, 209 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: it might be that, you know, some guys get really 210 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: really jacked and can't swing anymore, can't pitch. If they 211 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: lose flexibility, they lose the ability to recover. There are 212 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: so many things we just don't know about injuries and 213 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: susceptibility and recovery. There's some easy things, and when you 214 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: think about things like diet and sleep, these are things 215 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: that the European soccer clubs have been focus on for decades, 216 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: and baseball they're just getting dietitians out. They're not tracking 217 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: sleep because the union doesn't want that, and I can 218 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: understand why. But there are a lot of things that 219 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: players can do if we get away from this paternalistic model. 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: How can we recover better, How can we energize ourselves better? 221 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: How can we feed that battery that we have to 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: keep recharging. So there's a lot of things we don't know, 223 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: and baseball has done a very very poor job of 224 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: getting us into the game, researching it, advancing it, and 225 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: making it more widely available. Especially down the line, we 226 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: need to make the miners better. We need to make 227 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: the college game better, We need to make the youth 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: game better. 229 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 3: Lat strain. Frankie Montas has a lot strain, somebody that's 230 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: you know, was supposed to be one of the big 231 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: pieces for the Mets starting rotation. It's a high grade 232 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: lat strain. How does that? How does that differ? Because 233 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: any kind of latch strain, any kind of oblique strain, 234 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: people are like, whoa, we got to really shut it down. 235 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: How does that different from just like a regular lap stream. 236 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: High grade just matters how much tearing there was. You know, 237 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: you get a little tear. They're a little frame there. 238 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: You know, it tears in this big chunk that you 239 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: can actually stick your finger in what's called the palpable defect. 240 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: That's agreed two. And you know if it tears all 241 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: the way, then you have to sew it back together. 242 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: And if you think that's easy, go cut a steak 243 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: and then try to sew it back together, because that's 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: exactly what they would have to do. So with a 245 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: lat string, what's key is the location. The lat's a 246 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: big muscle. It's the muscle just below your shoulder blade 247 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: out there on the side. It's very involved in the 248 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: pitching motion as one of the breaks, so the location 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: is going to matter how deep it is and just 250 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: how well he heals. So this is a six to 251 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: eight week injury. They're not talking about surgery again. Surgery 252 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: is very, very difficult. So he can get back. He's 253 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: probably gonna miss all of April Seed's return and come 254 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: back into May, but most guys come back from this 255 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: fairly well. The lad is actually a muscle they use 256 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: in the rare case of having a transplant, a muscle. 257 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: You can lop off about half that thing and move 258 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: it around. I know that sounds really weird, but the 259 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: latin really does. Heal pretty well in most cases. 260 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: One more on the mets. While we're on them, how 261 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: do you handle could I Sanga? So he had a 262 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: shoulder strain. That was the arm problem for him obviously, 263 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: and then the calf I think was what happened later on. 264 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: I'm less concerned about that. I know with a calf 265 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: you got to give it time. But shoulder is is 266 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: that still the bad word? The worst word in baseball? 267 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: And for someone that barely pitched last year, how do 268 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: you make sure you keep him on the mound because 269 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: the Mets already lost Montos for probably half the season. 270 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: Senga's really good when he's out there. 271 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: You know. The calf injury in his first game back 272 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: was just absolute quirk. It was one of those things 273 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: you don't often see shoulder you do worry about. We 274 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: didn't have much of a sample size with him, you know, 275 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: we saw him come back. He had a really good 276 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: game before the calf injury, so the stuff should be there. 277 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: All the reports I've heard from the Mets are that 278 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: he's healthy. They're not too worried about it. Things healed up. 279 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: What you worry about is any time there has to 280 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: be surgery because there are so many moving parts, and 281 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: elbow is a hinge. It bends everybody, you know, it's 282 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: a hinge. Even I can fix a hane if it 283 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: breaks on a door. His shoulder does so many things. 284 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: It moves in so many different directions. There's so many 285 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: muscles and tendons and ligaments and capsules and labor ooms 286 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: and everything else. To put it back together, surgeons often 287 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: say it's like putting together a puzzle without the box top. 288 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: So getting it back in just the right way, with 289 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: just the right tension is really really difficult, even comparing 290 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: it to the other shoulder, which is what you'd normally do, 291 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: because you know, Pictuer's right shoulder is not the same 292 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: as his left shoulder no matter which way you go. 293 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: So I think with Senga they've done all the right things. 294 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: The question is how do you keep any picture healthy, 295 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: let alone one that's putting as much force on there. 296 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: I think the Mets are better equipped to do this. 297 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: They're one of the teams that are really taking sports 298 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: science seriously. One of the best biomechanists and workload specialists 299 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: there in the front office. So I do have some 300 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: positive hopes for Seena this year. 301 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: That's good news for Mets fans. I have one more 302 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: pitching question for you. Spencer Stryder will come back at 303 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: some point. I think the uniqueness there is the brace surgery. Right, 304 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: that's a newer concept. Do you know much about it? 305 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: And we don't really have a ton of long term 306 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: research on it for baseball yet? 307 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: Do we? 308 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. We've actually been doing this surgery for 309 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: a long time. I wrote the first article about it 310 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen after hearing just a ton of surgeons 311 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: at a convention back when Pebats did that, everybody was 312 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: excited about this, and here we are almost ten years 313 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: later and we're not seeing the benefits from it that 314 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: we were told In almost every other sport, well even 315 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: in baseball. I mentioned the thumb, guys are coming back 316 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: in half the time. So the theory was guys were 317 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: going to come back from half the time. When doctor 318 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,239 Speaker 1: j Do gets down in Birmingham was starting to do elbows, 319 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: we were seeing really really quick return times. Now, these 320 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: were high school kids who just wanted to play their 321 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: senior season. These weren't, you know, million dollar athletes that 322 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: have to think about a career. So they were willing 323 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: to take some short term risks. But again, these long, long, 324 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: eighteen month rehabs, they're ridiculous. For Tommy John, you know, 325 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been. You can go all the way 326 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: back to Tommy John, the original, the guy. Rather than 327 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: the surgery. It took eighteen months because he had a 328 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: pretty major complication. It had to have surgery again to 329 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: move a nerve. You don't have that today. We should 330 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: be getting these guys back in nine to twelve months, 331 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: not fourteen eighteen like we are. We have to fix 332 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: this rehab and there are people like Mike Reinold Ellen Jaeger, 333 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: a ton of people that have put work into whether 334 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: we can get a better rehab rather than using you know, 335 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: everybody goes back to the hundred and when he flip 336 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: mark and limiting people, which is actually Frank Job did 337 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: that because that was the room he had in a 338 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: parking lot that led up to the training room in 339 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: Vero Beach. That's how old this is. They're not even 340 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: in Vero Beach anymore. That parking lot is gone. 341 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm laughing at that, because, Wow, that's funny. It 342 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: hasn't changed. The Pirates made a big move. They got 343 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: Spencer Horowitz. Yeah, he's got a chronic risk now he's 344 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: just having risk surgery. Now, why didn't the Pirates do 345 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: something about this or did they know when they traded 346 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: for him? And what exactly is he having Because I've 347 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: had my handmaid out. You know that's a four to 348 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: six week thing, but most guys can come back a 349 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: little bit quicker. So what's going on with him and 350 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: his wrists? 351 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? I wish I could give you the details, but 352 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: they've been very very close with this. They did know 353 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: there was a problem he passed the physical, but you know, 354 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 1: you can pass the physical just because they want you to. 355 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: They didn't think it was gonna be a serious problem, 356 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: but as he was ramping up for the Seas doing 357 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: his work ahead of spring training, it flared back up. 358 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: The Pirates took care of it. He did have the surgery. 359 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: I think it was ten days ago. They hope he's 360 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: going to be back near the start of the season, 361 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: probably not at opening day, but they haven't said yet 362 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: what it is. I've heard two or three separate things. 363 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: They all have about the same timeline. They have all 364 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: about the same outcomes. I haven't pushed too much. You 365 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: got to save those favors for when you need them. 366 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: But with Horowitz, we normally see guys come back from 367 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: this really well. The tough part for the Pirates is 368 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: didn't make many other moves. He was one of the 369 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: guys who they were counting on to get them a 370 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: little bit better. And if he's out, they don't really 371 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: have a backup. I mean, they're going to be moving 372 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: guys around from the infield who were you know, slap 373 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: hitters up the middle. That's not who you want at 374 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: first base. 375 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: If only there weren't a billion first basemen available the 376 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: entire offseason at all levels of pricing, many of which 377 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: are super productive players. And I know it's been Arwitch 378 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: could be that guy too, But yeah, they're not building 379 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: the depth because they're not allowed. They don't have the 380 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: budget for it. I mean, beating a dead horse, but 381 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: it is what it is, and that puts them in 382 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: a bad spot. One or two injuries and the lineups 383 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: gonna look like crap. So but let me tell you, 384 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: I really feel well, this was great. Thank you so 385 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: much for joining us. We had a lot to catch 386 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: up on, so we'll do this throughout the season and 387 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: obviously on your way out here, just let everyone know 388 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: where they can find more information on a more consistent 389 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: basis from you. 390 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you can find me at under the Knife 391 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: dot substack dot com, where I do this sort of 392 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: thing three or four times a week, cover the breaking 393 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: news when it happens, and hopefully we won't have all 394 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: of those. But thanks you guys for the time. 395 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: Thank you well, great to see appreciate you. Scott Pigford, 396 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: who's a regular in the chat, said, you know, the 397 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: more I think about this situation, if the Angels are 398 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: so worried about preserving Mike Trout. Can't they d H 399 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: him if they need is bad? So bad? Just curious 400 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: if you covered this on FT obviously, I replied, Scott, 401 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: who Mark Trout? Mark Marcus? Uh So when they signed Solaire, 402 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: I was like, cool, but. 403 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: They traded. 404 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: They traded for him, actually. 405 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: Traded and traded Hilaire. But I'm like, damn, you clogged 406 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 2: up your DH spot. The best player and hitter on 407 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: your team might need that. 408 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: They needed. 409 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: Put him in the outfield for twenty to thirty games 410 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: that Trout gets to d H. It's not ideal, But 411 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: you're also not a team that's looking at like, hey, 412 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: we are a playoff team. We're looking to win the 413 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: division type of thing. They needed to add slug, and 414 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: I think they added that slug. I don't think they're 415 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: going to play so lair in place of Trout's health, 416 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: in the sense that they're going to have Trout in 417 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 3: the lineup if it means Solaire needs to be in 418 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: the outfield more than what they anticipated, I think that's 419 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: the route they'll go. But they also want Trout to 420 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: be in the outfield. They don't want him to move 421 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 3: to DH yet, whether that's right or wrong, I think 422 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: they're hoping there's more still more value with him in 423 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: the outfield for the next couple of years at least. 424 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to present a quick case here. 425 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: If they waited or if they presented it correctly, it's 426 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: a longer term deal. But Anthony Santander has deferrals in 427 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: his deal that makes him about a fourteen million dollars 428 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: a year player on the CBT tax I know, don't 429 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: be scared by the ninety three. It's heavily deferred. Jorge 430 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: Solaire's making thirteen a year the next couple years. They're 431 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: almost the same. One can play the outfield for you. 432 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that, Scott doesn't work like that 433 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: because Cinten there, they had to get into a bidding war. 434 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: They just went and traded for Solaire, so they knew 435 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: what he was making. They didn't know what Cintentire was 436 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: going to end up on. If you look at predictions 437 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: before the seaton, before the offseason, since and Dare was 438 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: scheduled to get you know, huge huge money, not deferred money, 439 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: and not this and that, So you can't that's not 440 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: apples to apples. You can't compare them like that. They 441 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 3: knew what the price was for the layer, they wanted them, 442 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: they went out and got them. 443 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: They should have gotten an outfielder, though they got a 444 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: DH All Right, I'm gonna try to do three things here, 445 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: because I wanted to say this for a while. Number One, 446 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: the Red Sox had that documentary coming out, and it's 447 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: April eighth, and this would just be such a perfect 448 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: time to watch a documentary if it had any entertainment 449 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: value in drama to it. When there's no games and 450 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: people are excited for baseball season and football just ended, 451 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: but instead they're starting at April eighth, And if the 452 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: Red Sox are good, you're gonna want to spend a 453 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: few hours a night watching the Red Sox. Tell me, 454 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an executive. 455 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: This only one problem. This was from last year. 456 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: Though it was from last year, I understand. 457 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: But they should have released this last year for me. 458 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: For me, they should have released this last year during 459 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: the season when because there was a lot of drama 460 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 3: that happened in Boston last year, let's not forget. So 461 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: they're gonna go back and talk about that they should 462 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: have I know, they tried it once the franchise with 463 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: Ozzie and the Marks, and I think they did it 464 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: with the Giants one year. But like the hard Knock 465 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: stuff that did, I think, whoever does HBO? I think 466 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: does it? That's Stuff's incredible, man, especially if it's your team, 467 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: Like you're watching that joke. I watched the Bears thinking 468 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: the Bears win this offseason. The preseason, I'm like, they're 469 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: never losing a game, and then they went out and 470 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: played foot on like five and twelve. So you know, 471 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 3: but again, your bike as a fan man like they 472 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: should be doing it now during the season. They should 473 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: shouldn't do it about last year. I know they had 474 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: to edit in all that junk, but still, man, they 475 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: should do it live. Let's go. 476 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, it wasn't a good team either. 477 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: There weren't like big superstars, so I think they're going 478 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: to have a tough time. And actually the biggest superstar, 479 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: Endeavors is really quiet, so I imagine he's not very 480 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: involved with it. I know. I think it's going to 481 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: be like the Tristan Cosas show Kretz, which they might 482 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: want to just rename it that. But yeah, I don't know, 483 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm not excited at all. I'm even less excited that 484 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: it's coming out during the season because I will spend 485 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: six hours a night watching games. It will be much tougher. 486 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: You're going to have to tell me this is the 487 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: best shit ever, or I'm not watching. 488 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: I mean, what's the story line? I think Jaron Duran's 489 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: the best storyline from the Red Sox five hundred season. 490 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: And I love Jared Duran, my son. That might be 491 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: one of his new favorite players. Left handed hit or play. 492 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: Center field runs fast like you sit there and you go, oh, 493 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: I'd like to watch it for Jared Duran. Other than that, 494 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: What do you what do you? What are you tuning 495 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 3: in for? Is my thing, especially right when the season 496 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: starts April. You're even going to games and it's cold, 497 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: like put this out. Put this out when it's like 498 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: snowing in Boston something. 499 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right, I've got one for you. 500 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: I've been waiting to lay this news out for a 501 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: minute too, because it got buried behind a press release. 502 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: The Minnesota Twins have their own streaming service now, so 503 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 2: fans MLB takes it over. What do you get? You 504 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: get a couple extra camrangles and you get no more 505 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: pregame show on the road, and your postgame show on 506 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: the road is going to go from thirty minutes to 507 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: fifteen just reporting facts. 508 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: So postgame on that road, no post game on the road, right. 509 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: No pregame on the road. So they used to have 510 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: thirty minute pre and post just for every game. That's 511 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: what the standard is for most teams. Some have an 512 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: hour sometimes, So now pregames stay the same. Pregame doesn't 513 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: exist on the road. Postgame thirty minutes down to fifteen fifteen. 514 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: Imagine you just saw the game of your freaking life 515 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: and they're like, butt att, fifteen minutes are up, gotta go. 516 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: And we also had some commercial breaks in there. 517 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: No, I think it's brittle. 518 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: How does that grow the game when you're taking that 519 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: opportunity to do it's that expensive that you can't run it. 520 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: You can't get sponsorships. 521 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: My biggest thing, we play so many games, God forbids. 522 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: A fan misses a game, hey we can talk about 523 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: it tomorrow. In the pregame. Hey, you know, we build 524 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: up to see what the storylines were from last night, 525 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: how this person's injury is third, eight minutes is up? 526 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 3: Being banged boom like it's not tough, Like, Hey, when's 527 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: the game on? Oh, I want to watch the pre 528 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: game to see a few things. Catch up on your news. 529 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: If only there was a place where you could get 530 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: team info daily. Well, I'm gonna look for it. I'm 531 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 3: gonna look for it on the internet. I bet there's 532 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: a Yeah. 533 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: You let me know how that goes. It just plays 534 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 2: to why we exist. 535 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: I saw Frank Thomas the other day and I told 536 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: him the best thing that save the big thing, The 537 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: best thing that saved the White Sox season last year 538 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: was the postgame shows with Chuck and Ozzy and Frank 539 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: and Pods and those guys, because they would lose every game, 540 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: and those guys didn't have anything talk about because it 541 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: was the same old, same old, and they just it 542 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: was hilarious to watch Chuck, who's a super fan, and 543 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: then you have Ozzie who is Ozzy, and then you're 544 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: throwing Frank, you're throwing Pods, you're throwing whoever else they 545 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: have on there. Man, that was must watch TV every night, 546 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 3: especially they would figure out invent ways to lose. It 547 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 3: was incredible. So I'm not really for this, man, I 548 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: need pre and post game shows. 549 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going through it as a Twins fan. 550 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: Let's say they disappoint this season because they did nothing 551 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: in the offseason, and god forbid, they don't get sold 552 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: before the season starts, and you're still going through this, Yeah, 553 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: you want somewhere to vent.