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Speaker 3: Corps MARSK SOCOM. Welcome to the show, John.

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Speaker 3: Would you retire as John if you don't mind.

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Speaker 1: I was a master sergeant.

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Speaker 3: you know today's air softer could be tomorrow's you right right,

434
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: you know they're out there, they're putting their boots on

435
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: the ground already. They've already got the gear. They should

436
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: just now. They's got to have a mentality in the

437
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: and the and if you're thinking about it, yeah, just

438
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: go get it done and give it a shot and

439
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: see if it's what is in your toolbox. You just

440
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: don't know unless you try. That's all I can say.

441
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, exactly, you know, because who knows.

442
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure there there are a lot of very successful,

443
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: you know, special operation folks across the services that have

444
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: got their start. I mean I got my start running

445
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: around in the woods with you know, recreation World War

446
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: two or stuff own er Vietnam, you know, surplus stuff,

447
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, pretending like I was on a long range

448
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: reconnaissance patrol, you.

449
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 3: Know, still wearing it. Look, these are R d L

450
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: Vietnam issued. You know how hard it is to find

451
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: a pair of six foot five issue Vietnam kit and yeah,

452
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: I can imagine that is hard. And when they showed up,

453
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 3: I was like, and they're so comfortable nineteen sixty eight

454
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: on the tag?

455
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow?

456
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 3: How many farts? Could this thing? Tell me about it?

457
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, I'm sure I've seen some things. One

458
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: time we were in the bush. These pants saved my

459
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: life I'm sure you did pants. I'm sure you did it.

460
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Now, okay, so how old were you

461
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: when you enlisted in the Marine Corps? I like to

462
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: find that out. Yeah, I was. I was seventeen.

463
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: I always just you know, graduated from high school and

464
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: I had already signed up and was already ready to go.

465
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: I had a date, you know. So it was about

466
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I turned eighteen in boot camp. So I had known

467
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: from the time I was little that, you know, that's

468
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And so I, you know,

469
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know, grew up in the era where

470
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, everything was about Vietnam, you know, from all

471
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: the TV shows and movies and Chuck Norris and Rambo

472
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: and and everything, and none of all of that just yeah,

473
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: just even the movies that were kind of meant to

474
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: be uh like anti war you know or whatever. I

475
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: didn't didn't that didn't click, you know, they were just

476
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: they were war movies, like The Dirty Dozen, the Dirty Dozen. Yeah, yeah,

477
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: absolutely one. I mean I think Rambo was supposed to

478
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: have some you know, uh.

479
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: It's never over, It's never over. It's nothing's over. Yeah it.

480
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Full Metal Jacket came out actually shortly after I joined,

481
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: but that was, you know, a hugely anti war movie

482
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: that didn't register with us. You know, we just we

483
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: thought it was the coolest thing ever.

484
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: So you were you went in after that came out.

485
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 3: So was anything like what you went through when you

486
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: saw Full Metal Jackets? You say, oh, hey, he hit

487
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: hit it on the head with his basic training, or

488
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: did you think, ah, you know, now it's that came out.

489
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: I saw that after I finished boot camp, so yeah,

490
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: and it was pretty quickly after. I mean, I think

491
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: within a couple of months. You know, we all were

492
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: in infantry school and we went to go see it.

493
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of I mean a lot

494
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: of similarities you know in boot camp and the some

495
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: of it it seems incredibly mindless. You know, he's getting

496
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: yelled at and so you know, he did a really

497
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: good job with that. I thought, you know, I really

498
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: kind of wish I would have seen it before I went.

499
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: I think it would have prepared me a little bit.

500
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I think so. I think I had

501
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: the uh fortune. I think, you know, I quickly realized

502
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: that you know, the good fortune and at boot camp

503
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: was a game, right, I mean, you've got to get

504
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: through it. It's serious and there's obviously stuff to learn,

505
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, a guy who can't be mad

506
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: at you, you know, because your brand new it this

507
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: thing screaming at you in your face. You know, if

508
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: you you could either take that to heart or you

509
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: could realize that hey man, he's he's doing his thing,

510
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: trying to make me better. And so you know, I

511
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: can uh, I can dig it right, So I'll uh,

512
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'll do I'll play the game, I'll uh,

513
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: I'll yell loud if he wants me to yell.

514
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: I'll run as fast as he wants me to to run.

515
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: And then you know, when I get get through with

516
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: this kind of proven you know that I'm I have

517
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: what it takes, then I'll be ready to you know, learn,

518
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: you know whatever it is that that these guys have

519
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: to teach.

520
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: Me, right, and they want to see you succeed. They're

521
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: there to see you succeed. They're not there to see.

522
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah they don't do it, yeah they uh, I mean

523
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: it's varies, I think, you know, but as long as

524
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: you're somebody that's that's putting out doing a good job, yeah,

525
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: they they want you to to be successful. I'm sure

526
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: there are people that they they're doing everything in their

527
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: power to get to get out.

528
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: But uh, and I.

529
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Never I came close, really close, but I never went

530
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: back to be a drill instructor.

531
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: I never. You know, it's really something I wanted to do.

532
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: That's like a perfect marine right there.

533
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's absolutely value. And I mean

534
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: you're you're making the next generation. It's it's super important.

535
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: But it's just really wasn't. It wasn't for me. I'm

536
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: not much of a screamer, you know.

537
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'd have to, you'd have to. It's constant.

538
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, the running and just the

539
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: complete rigorous torture on your body. You know, to be

540
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: a drill instructor has got to be just in its

541
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: own just like your reek, just like going through Marsk

542
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: and everything he did. You guys have to just consistently

543
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: be badass. You can't catch it fault. It takes.

544
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: It takes its toll, you know, but you can. All

545
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: you can do is keep after it, right, you know.

546
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: Keep well. You got lucky because you were able to

547
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: cross into it, right. So we have a lot of

548
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: veterans that I don't know, maybe there's like just like

549
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: a stigma out there, like how do I transition from

550
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: military civilian life? You know, I don't know if it's

551
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: something that is more said than is actual. You know,

552
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: I have been reached out by people through media and like, hey,

553
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: how do you get into podcasting? You know, I'm interested

554
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: in that, or how do I write a book? What's

555
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 3: your take on the transition from I mean, you went

556
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: into the same kind of gig, right.

557
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: So I always tell and I do a lot of coaching,

558
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, like performance coaching, personal coaching, and talk with

559
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who are getting out and it's

560
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a pretty real thing. You know, if

561
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: you've spent your life in the military now getting out

562
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: at you know, you're kind of the big cock on

563
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: the walk. You know, you're you know, a master and

564
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: master guns or whatever your rank is, and now you're

565
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: getting ready to go into an absolutely unknown world, you know,

566
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: whether that's back to school, which I you know I did,

567
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: is like a forty year you know, forty some year

568
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: old man kind of scared to death, you know, going

569
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: to school with college kids right to you know, going

570
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: out into a real that we call it the real world.

571
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: But you know, a job market and trying to get

572
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: a job, and there's just it's it's challenging. I skipped

573
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: a lot of that because I never really left. I'm

574
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: starting to think about, you know, actually going into the

575
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: real world one of these one of these days, I

576
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: just got to figure out what I'm gonna do when

577
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: I grow up, what I grow up?

578
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. Uh.

579
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: The The thing I think for you know, veterans to

580
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: realize people that are getting out is that, I mean,

581
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: you bring a lot to the table. You know, you've

582
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: there's so much that you've seen and done that that

583
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: will be value added, you know, any sort of organization.

584
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: I but I generally tell people that's don't rush into anything,

585
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't It's a little bit different than it

586
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: was on our parents' time, you know, you kind of

587
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: My dad was in the Navy for a couple of

588
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: years during Vietnam.

589
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: Got out.

590
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, you work at a job until you die, basically,

591
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's not the way the world works anymore.

592
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, people, you know, take a job, you know,

593
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: until you find something else. You know, they kind of

594
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: work to live, not live to work, hopefully, and I

595
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: think that's a good way of looking at it. But

596
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: there's absolutely a lot of opportunities and I think it's

597
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: not something that veterans immediately think of, but uh, you

598
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: know in writing and creative spaces, right, even if it's

599
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: not something that you make your living at because I'm

600
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, I don't have all this because of

601
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: the book, right, It's that book's not gonna It might

602
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: put a couple of meals on the table, but it's

603
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: it's not going to allow me to retire. But I

604
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: think there's a huge benefit and kind of veterans getting

605
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: out and exploring those things.

606
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, you know, and maybe taking advantage

607
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: of the benefits that they have after they get out

608
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: of like their VA home loan or like using you

609
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: know the other benefits that are if they filed up

610
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: for their GI bill in basic or whatnot, how to

611
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: take it out and I forgot about it. Hey, go

612
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: take advantage of your school. Just get a c Okay,

613
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: it's make sure you get ces.

614
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's changed so that you don't even have to

615
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: do that. Everybody is blanketed the GI bill is really

616
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: that's the best. So I did when I was in

617
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: boot camp, we had to sign up, and we were

618
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, deducted one hundred dollars a month for a year.

619
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: And along the way, the uh they you know, after

620
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: post nine eleven, they did away with that, and so

621
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I was I was able to and I was not

622
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: a I mean I was on the first thing smoking

623
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: a book camp, right I had. I was not a student.

624
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really like Uh, I didn't like school. But

625
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, as I went through the Marine Corps, I

626
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, education is is super valuable. One

627
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: thing I've always loved to read. All right, So like

628
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: you guys book club, I think is a is an

629
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: absolutely great thing. But you know, before I retired, I

630
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: was able to finish a bachelor's degree online, all online

631
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: and homeland security. So my intent was to get out

632
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: and become a security consultant. That didn't didn't pan out,

633
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: and but I was able to use the GI bill

634
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: to I went back to college. Like I said, I

635
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: got a master's in in literature or liberal arts focus

636
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: in literature. And that really kind of got me, you know,

637
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: got me thinking that, hey, you know, I really like writing. Uh,

638
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: I should give this a whirl. So I went back

639
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: got another master of fine Arts and and creative writing

640
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: from the University of North Carol Carolina here in Wilmington.

641
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that just opened all these doors.

642
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: You know, you spend time around writers, you get opportunities

643
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: for write. So I'm you know, I can't talk highly

644
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: enough about you know, educating yourself. You know, if you're

645
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: a veteran or even if you're you know, a young,

646
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: younger person that wants to join the military.

647
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean, the.

648
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Smarter you are, the more value added.

649
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: You're going to be.

650
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: So you know, you just even if it's doing nothing

651
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: more than just reading books, but you know, getting getting

652
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: college in.

653
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: And now for.

654
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: The folks that you have the GI bill, they can

655
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: they have the opportunity to pass it on to their

656
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: kids so their kids can go to school if they

657
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: don't use it. And it's it's a pretty phenomenal benefit.

658
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, while I was going you you also get

659
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: a living stipend, so you get your college paid for.

660
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: You get this eight hundred nine hundred bucks a month

661
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: just to live on. So potentially it's I mean, it

662
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: would not be challenging for somebody getting out after four

663
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: years to say, hey, I'm.

664
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: Not going to man I'm going to go to school benefits. Yeah,

665
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: such a good benefit. It's huge, it's huge, you know,

666
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: I'm so many people don't take advantage you have it nice. Yeah,

667
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: it's phenomenal. My eighteen year old daughters like that, I

668
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: want to go to Arizona State and I'm like, but

669
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: we live in Utah. Yeah, out of state. Yeah, the

670
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: double surprise. Yeah, I'm like, but we live here. We

671
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: got the University of Utah.

672
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: You know.

673
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's like, but Arizona State, that's got the sun.

674
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like, look, whatever you need. But again, you know,

675
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: if she wanted to join like the Navy or the

676
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: whatever branch she decided on, and she put in four years,

677
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: her school would be you know, yeah, you know, and

678
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: that's a huge deal. Yeah, it would be paid for.

679
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I I you know, I was just reading something that

680
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's the percentage, well one, the percentage of kids,

681
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, high school kids today that are qualified physically

682
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: to join the military is like just tanking, all right, Yeah,

683
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's just not that many that could pass.

684
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: He's changed, right.

685
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: But then there's also like a like fifty percent of

686
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Americans like would not encourage their children to serve in

687
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the military, and I just read this morning.

688
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: There's in fact, I read it on software.

689
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, like thirty five percent of

690
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: people in the military wouldn't recommend anybody to join the military.

691
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of you know, there's a lot

692
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: of negativity about a lot of things. But I mean

693
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: there's still some insanely amazing benefits you know, if you

694
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: join whatever whatever branch kind of strikes your fancy, you know,

695
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: and quite likely, like we said, there there are thousands

696
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: of different jobs across the services. So you know, if

697
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: you want to be a photographer, you know, we've got

698
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, learn learn how to do it. You know

699
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: you want to be uh.

700
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean there's there's even like probably people who learn

701
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: sound and engineering in the military. There's probably like you know,

702
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: there's production.

703
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: In the militarily, within the public affairs realm, there are

704
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: people that I mean, there's you know, podcasts, you know

705
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: that you know you might have the opportunity to do that.

706
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: If not, you know, the you've got you know, the

707
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 1: GI Bill to go to school for free and get

708
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: get paid while you do it. So it's I still think,

709
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I was not I didn't grow up. I

710
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: grew up in a relatively modest uh you know household.

711
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: John Day was not going to college. They were pinning

712
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: all their hopes on my brother, uh skateboarding.

713
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: I think he was a skateboard or something or what. No.

714
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: No, I lived up in the mountains of West Virginia,

715
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: so we didn't even really have skateboards, right. Uh there

716
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: was no sidewalks. We you know, mostly dirt roads and

717
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: it's a little rough to it wasn't quite that that

718
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: far out. But uh, now I never did get into

719
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: get into skateboarding. But yeah, they just there weren't high

720
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: hopes being held out for me, so they were pinning.

721
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, my smarter brother was I think the first

722
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: and our our extended family to go to college. Guess

723
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: just wasn't something that people did, right. You got out

724
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: of school, you went to work, or you went to

725
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: the military.

726
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: Right.

727
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: But h and I still think it's a great I mean,

728
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: it certainly served me very well.

729
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: For for over twenty years.

730
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: I had a blast almost not every day but most

731
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: most every day. And just I mean I got to

732
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, I tell people like, I got to blow

733
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: stuff up, I got to jump out of airplanes at

734
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, five miles in the.

735
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: Sky at nighttime. I got to scuba dive, you know,

736
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: shoot literally ride and tracked vehicles with team tracks on them,

737
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: and like like you're wearing bump helmets and all sorts

738
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: of gear. I love the gear. And let me ask

739
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: you something about jumping out of a out of an airplane.

740
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: Did you ever have like a close call on that.

741
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 3: You ever have something where it was like this is

742
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 3: my training kicked in and I barely pulled out the

743
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: only time, I don't know how close it was.

744
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Like so with the free fall parachute, so you have

745
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: the opportunity to with with your static line parachute, you

746
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: have a reserve, but with a free fall parachute, you

747
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: can cut away, cut away your primary parachute, then release

748
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: your reserve. And we were doing a parachute. I know

749
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: I never had to do that, but we were doing

750
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: a jump and it's one of our it's rare that

751
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: you get to jump from thirty thousand feet that's the

752
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: amount of airspace that's required. The there's just a lot

753
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: of complexities that go into that. But we were up

754
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: in the desert. We were doing a jump nighttime, thirty

755
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: thousand foot and in order to do that, you've got

756
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: to have an oxygen mask on, and see you're breathing oxygen.

757
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I jumped out and you count, I think to six,

758
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: all right, to just kind of let yourself get stable,

759
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: and then you pull. And you know, with thirty thousand feet,

760
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: it's probably like one hundred and sixty below zero with

761
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: windshill and.

762
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: Everything that's going on.

763
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: So you've got big, big honking sued on big gloves,

764
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: and with my big glove I had, when I pulled

765
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: my ripcord, I also pulled the oxygen hose out, and

766
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it until I started getting you know,

767
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: the whole world started kind of turning black, and so

768
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: I realized that, hey, there's you know, I'm trying to

769
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: figure it out, and there was nothing that I could do,

770
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: like I'm going to pass out. But I had a

771
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: parachute open, so that's.

772
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: A good thing.

773
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: So I come on the radio and I try to

774
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: like just let everybody know because everybody has their parachutes open,

775
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: and we're going this way and with from that height,

776
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: we were planning to land about forty miles from where

777
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: we jumped out. Wow, so we're just like screaming across

778
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the desert. I'm like, hey, guys, I'm about to pass

779
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: out here. I'll figure it out. No, but that didn't

780
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: come over. It was probably more of like a muffled

781
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: scream or whatever. But what I tried, I tried to

782
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: dump as much called dumping air, so you pull a

783
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: toggle down and that makes you fall faster. But there's

784
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: not enough oxygen to sustain consciousness until about twelve thousand feet.

785
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: So from thirty thousand feet down to twelve thousand feet

786
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was out, and then suddenly you wake up,

787
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like waking up from a dream,

788
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: but you realize that, hey, I'm screaming at like sixty

789
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: miles an hour, you know, through the through the middle

790
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: of the night sky.

791
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

792
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: And from from where I was, I was able to

793
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: look back and see the lights of the airfield that

794
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: we had taken off from, so I was able to

795
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: turn and I just headed back to that and landed.

796
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: Didn't quite make it, but landed.

797
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Luckily. They still had payphones back then, and so I

798
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: had some change, so I went and threw some money

799
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: in the payphone, called the base and they the first

800
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: time they hung up on me. They're like, hey, we're

801
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: having an emergency, and.

802
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: They hung up.

803
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Second yeah, the second time, I'm like, hey, man, I'm

804
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: the emergency and they're like, so.

805
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: Uh, what's the code word? I'm the emergency?

806
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. But they're like, all right, we'll

807
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: just hang out. We'll come and get you later. So

808
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I went down walked down the street to a bar. Uh,

809
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: had a beer and uh usually.

810
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, did you see this last movie of his

811
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: where he is trying to go like mock.

812
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, similarly yeah, yeah, pretty similar thing to that,

813
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: Get cut a cup of coffee.

814
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 3: You're like just totally normal. I'll looking at you like.

815
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: Uh, I love that You're badass, bro.

816
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just that was just close. Uh. I

817
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: think that was the closest call that I've had.

818
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh that was Top Gun, the movie's Top Gun. I

819
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: was like, wait, what movie is that?

820
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: That?

821
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: Top Tom Cruise is showing that he's yeah, the new

822
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: top Gun. Yeah, and uh he walks into his full

823
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: gear into the restaurant and there was a staring at him.

824
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: They must have took that from you, bro. Maybe Yeah,

825
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who. Who's there to see some residual

826
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: from there. Let's put it a call to CIA real

827
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: quick here. Yeah, I should get some royalties or something made.

828
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Wow, Wow, you're the real version.

829
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit different. I mean, I I it

830
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: was all my fault. I shouldn't have you know, pulled

831
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: out your road.

832
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was.

833
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: The mistake I made there. But it, like I said,

834
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: with big gloves on, it's it's it's not impossible to do.

835
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: So they've they've sent changed the way that the system

836
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: is set up to make that a little more difficult.

837
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm not the first guy who's done it, who's popped

838
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: that off, and the hopefully yeah, hopefully the last.

839
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: That's the last thing you need to deal with when

840
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: you're flying so high altitude low opening halo or were

841
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: you high altitude high?

842
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, high altitude high opening. So we jumped already,

843
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: huh we're yeah, we were open and luckily, you know,

844
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: if if I had not had a parachute open, then

845
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: then that would have been a much different story. But so,

846
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a good parachute. It was just

847
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: a matter of passing out and coming to when the

848
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: air came back.

849
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Have you ever done that into the water, Like have

850
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: you ever hayhoed into water? And like, uh, you know,

851
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I'm thinking Navy seals Charlie Sheen

852
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 3: and those guys like not into a dive.

853
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: We've jumped into the water, which is which is cool.

854
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: The thing that's always kind of scary about that is that,

855
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, a parachute falls on top of you, you know,

856
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: in the in the middle of the ocean, and it's

857
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: just there's a whole lot of lines running from that.

858
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: So that's whenever we do those, we'll do some you

859
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: know practices in the swimming pool, you know, and just

860
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential for, you know, for things

861
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: to go go wrong.

862
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: So, you know, my dad told me a story one

863
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: time with guys that were like in Pensacola, Florida, I

864
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: think is what he said. Somewhere in Florida, and they

865
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: were doing some high altitude, low opening jumps whatnot. Maybe

866
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 3: it was just regular shoots, but they would release over

867
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: the water out of their shoot and one guy just

868
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: was like one hundred feet up I'm not sure how

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: far out, and like kind of hurt him. But you know,

870
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 3: these guys are always trying to pop a little higher

871
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: than the other to land in the water.

872
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Is that something that Yeah, So when you are jumping

873
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: into the water, you start as you know, as you

874
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: are stable and you're you're coming down, you know, you

875
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: start preparing to get out of your parachute, so you'll

876
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: take off the the chest strap and you know kind

877
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: of set yourself in the into the harness and kind

878
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: of you're ready to go, so that as soon as

879
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you hit the water, and it's it's very difficult to judge,

880
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're above the water. So

881
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: that's that's the reason that they they don't want you

882
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: popping out too early. But as soon as your feet

883
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: hit the water, you're really being held on by your

884
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: leg straps, so that's the last thing you pop and

885
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: hopefully arch out of it, and the wind generally will

886
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: carry the parachute away from you because you land into

887
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: the wind. So so it's, uh, it's in a perfect world.

888
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of fun. There's just always always

889
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the potential in the world. Who is seldom perfect.

890
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, and then you're definitely and just yeah,

891
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: you're like, oh wait, am I one hundred feet or

892
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: forty five feet? Yeah, you know, it's like a little far,

893
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: a little far. Yeah that was. That was in the eighties.

894
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, things were I'm sure a little uh, I was.

895
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: I was in the Marine Corps well late eighties, but

896
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't start doing this stuff until and

897
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: then then, So I think, you know.

898
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: So you already get fifty? Are you in your five o's?

899
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: I am, Yeah, I'm fifty four. Fifty four.

900
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems really old, right, I don't feel it, so.

901
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: No, you don't seem it. Yeah, I don't get that

902
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: from you. I'm forty six. And so I just was like,

903
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: you know, you're a seventies child, right.

904
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was born in sixty nine, right, sixty nine. Yeah,

905
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I know that Vietnam was raging.

906
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, holy cow, seventy seven here, Yeah, okay, so that

907
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: makes total sense. No, I think you're great. I think

908
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: you're I'm so happy that you are on the show,

909
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: and I hope my listeners have been getting just awesome

910
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: stories and listening to your vibe. Dude, you're a badass

911
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: bro right on. I know that Tough, Rugged Bastards takes

912
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: a lot more than just writing the thoughts of that

913
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: book out onto page. I know there was probably things

914
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: in there that were real serious that just you know,

915
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: are hard to deal with, and you put it on paper.

916
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: Do you have anything that you want to talk about

917
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: that was just like kind of tough that you put

918
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: in there.

919
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: So the whole book started. The idea for it really,

920
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: at least at a like a kernel of the idea

921
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: started when I went back to college or went to college, right,

922
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: and uh, we had to write an essay of something

923
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: that happened to us, and I was it was it

924
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: was luckily I got it out of the way first.

925
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: But it was the first essay I wrote that really

926
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: started the you know, became the seed for the book

927
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: talks about Uh. I think of him as a kid,

928
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: but he was he was an adult. But he was

929
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: a guy that I shot in uh that Joff Iraq

930
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: with a sniper rifle, and you know, looking at him,

931
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I especially you know obviously it's like

932
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey, right, the older and I keep getting older,

933
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: but he stays the same age. Uh So, so I,

934
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, I wrote this essay called death Letter, and

935
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: it was kind of it was like written to him,

936
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: and that was really you know, and I wrote that

937
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: the professors were like, you know, dug it. You know,

938
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: They're like, man, this is really honest, and and I

939
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: was like, you know what I mean, maybe there is something.

940
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Maybe I've got something to say, and I've got the

941
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: ability to say it in a way that you know,

942
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: people would like to listen to. So I took that,

943
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, I submitted it to I think I wound

944
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: up submitting it to I was a one hundred percent

945
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: sure when I sent it off that you know, they

946
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: were going to like write me a big check and

947
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: publish it and something. And first place didn't, the second place.

948
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: Finally we got to like the twentieth, like two years

949
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: of submitting and I finally got it, got it published.

950
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: And that was the first thing like that that I'd

951
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: had published. So but you know, as soon as it does,

952
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, you go from being down and dumps to

953
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: being on cloud nine to see in your.

954
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: Name and things that you wrote, you know, in pages.

955
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: So that kind of sat with me, and it took

956
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: a little while, and I had some fortunate just meeting

957
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: people that encouraged me to write, and you know, the

958
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: the fact that I was, you know, one of the

959
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: guys in this very small unit was I felt like

960
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: a story that should be told. So it's not it's

961
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: not a history, you know so much. I mean, it's

962
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: you know, called a memoir. You know, it's I mean,

963
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: it's my story, my recollections. I mean, some of it,

964
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I mean, there's obviously a lot of

965
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: an interesting time in history for anybody.

966
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: There's an interesting time, and.

967
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: Certainly a Marine Corps history, special operations history, but there's

968
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: also just a you know, it's just from my perspective,

969
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, Hey, here's how I felt when this was happening.

970
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: So some of it was tough to write, and you

971
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: know that one in particular. But since then, you know,

972
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I've had the opportunity with with several different groups, the

973
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Lethal Mince Journal, the Dead Reckoning Collective, and these different

974
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: veterans writing groups. You know, had the opportunity to work

975
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: with with veterans and writing, you know, get their stories

976
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: on paper. And I think it's hugely valuable. You know,

977
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: if if nothing else, it never sees a light of day,

978
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: if nobody ever reads it, you know, taking you kind

979
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: of get it out of your head and and process

980
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: it all right, And I think it's you know, I

981
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: think if there's any sort of you know, whether it's

982
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: a traumatic thing. I think there's absolute value in that,

983
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: right and putting on paper and it processes. It doesn't

984
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: have to live in your head anymore. It can live,

985
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, on a piece of paper that's shoved in

986
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: the desk or burned or whatever. But I mean there's

987
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 1: also just the simple fact that you know, whether they're

988
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, Savilians of any sort, but particularly people who

989
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: were interested in the military, people who you know, especially

990
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: people interested in wargames and anything like that. You know,

991
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: it's just the idea that hey, I can you know,

992
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: read you know what this what was going through this

993
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: guy's head. And my goal was to you know, I

994
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: grew up reading Vietnam books. You know, there's just tons

995
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: of them, right, and then the GAT books you know

996
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: that I've read a lot of them are very much

997
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: just kind of, Hey, I'm going to write an action

998
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: packed book and I'm gonna h you know, I call

999
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: it for I'm certainly not poking, you know, throwing rocks

1000
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: at anybody. But a lot of them aren't necessarily you know,

1001
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: they don't go into the fact that, hey, I was

1002
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: pretty fucking scared here, you know, you know, there's some

1003
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: honesty that that I was hoping, you know, as a

1004
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: guy with a Master of Fine Arts degree in writing,

1005
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: that I could bring a little bit of not only

1006
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: some craft to it, you know, look at different ways

1007
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: of telling stories and and hopefully keeping people engage while

1008
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: also being you know, true to the you know, everything

1009
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: that happened, and uh, you know, honorable to the guys

1010
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: that served with me. So but the goal I went

1011
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: into it with was, you know, I want to write uh.

1012
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty of books for people in the

1013
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: military about being in the military. You know, I want

1014
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: to write a book that that they'll enjoy and get

1015
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: a kick out of. But uh, you know that somebody

1016
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: who's a civilian could pick up and try to get

1017
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of understanding, you know, what goes on

1018
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: and through in the heads and hearts and minds of

1019
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: especially special operations. I think it's quite often misunderstood, you know,

1020
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: if he people think that we're just we're all a bunch.

1021
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: Of uh uh. I used to read these alert linebackers, right,

1022
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my dad would have these like books. You know,

1023
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: they're just books that were written a long range of

1024
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: conisance patrol books and these lurks. Oh yeah, and stories

1025
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: of lurps in Vietnam. Right, yeah, that was my bathroom material. Bro.

1026
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: Those are Uh, there's one you may have. He may

1027
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: have had Force ricon diary.

1028
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I had that. That one.

1029
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: There was two sineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy. The

1030
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: guy that wrote that was the first Force Recon guy

1031
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: that Uh. I actually he wrote me a blurb. I

1032
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: just had the opportunity to like talk, you know, a

1033
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: couple hours on the phone with him. You know, I

1034
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: reached out to him kind of cold and like, hey,

1035
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: I was in you know, the first Force Recon and

1036
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: here's you know, my my book.

1037
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: Can I send you the manuscript? And uh?

1038
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: And that was that was so cool. So, you know,

1039
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: if nothing else, you know, I've got to meet some legends. Yes,

1040
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: another one that uh kind of through the book, John

1041
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Striker Meyer, who is one of the Macvie song guys.

1042
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: He's written a bunch of books. You know, a great

1043
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: guy you know through the through this, you know, had

1044
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet him and become friends with him.

1045
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: So I've got like these legends you know that in

1046
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: some small way kind of emulating you know.

1047
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: What does that tell you about yourself?

1048
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: John?

1049
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: You have a legend on the left side and a

1050
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: legend on the right side. What are you in the

1051
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 3: middle there? I'm just a lucky son of a bitch.

1052
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And it's a it's an honor to

1053
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: talk to you, bro, And thanks for just being open

1054
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 3: with me and having just a casual conversation. We really

1055
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: have never met each other. This is something that I

1056
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: want my listeners to hear that you can still have

1057
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: normal conversations with people no matter where they come from

1058
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 3: on the waiver side, and at the end of the day,

1059
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: we all believe the same red blood. That's it. Hey,

1060
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: you guy, And so if you want to join the

1061
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: Marine Corps, I'm down for you to do that. If

1062
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: you want to join any of the military branches, give

1063
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: it a shot. I go talk to someone at a

1064
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: career center, ask him about the GI bill, ask them

1065
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: what benefits are available. Get that out of them. Ask

1066
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: them if they can work for you versus you work

1067
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: for them. At the career center, it's okay, but once

1068
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: you enlist, you work for them exactly. Now, with that said,

1069
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: I have had about an hour of time with our

1070
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: guest John today. It's been a pleasure to have someone

1071
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 3: from the United States Marine Corps on the show. I

1072
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: love the Marines. I think Chesty is my lord and

1073
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Speaker 3: savior and I have embraced him. I went out to

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Speaker 3: Camp Pendleton and got to do war games at the

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Speaker 3: Kilo two Mount facility. Wow, which yeah, which was legit.

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Speaker 3: And it was nighttime and the fog was rolling in

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00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: from ocean side and we had thermals. Oh being wargames. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So people are hanging out of like the makeshift mosques

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Speaker 3: and all the different positions, like where's the fog coming from?

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Speaker 3: We're like what, you just see him through the fog?

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Speaker 3: Nothing like thermals through the fog. Okay, all the night

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Speaker 3: vision was useless. Oh but that thermal man. So again,

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Speaker 3: I Chesty out there and I just want to say

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Speaker 3: thanks again, dude, You've been really a pleasure. And to

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Speaker 3: my listener. Go check out our book club. It's soft

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Speaker 3: Rep dot com Forward Slash book Club. Go check out

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Speaker 3: Brandon Webb's Instagram page. Hit him up and tell them

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Speaker 3: that I said to say hi on his Instagram page.

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Speaker 3: Also veteran and an author who's written many novels. You

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Speaker 3: know he puts it on paper. And again to my listener,

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Speaker 3: the number one thing I hear from my authors and

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Speaker 3: other people who I've interviewed, and I've interviewed a hundred

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00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: of them is put it on paper. You're not writing

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Speaker 3: anything when you're thinking about it. You're writing when you

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00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: start to actually put it on paper. So if you

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00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: can just take your thoughts and put it out there,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I'm going to say. John did in

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Speaker 3: his essay class. It took him a second. He's like,

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Speaker 3: how do I get an a What am I going

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Speaker 3: to do to draw these guys into my essay? Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell them about how I took someone

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Speaker 3: out in najaff as a sniper in the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 3: And they're going to sit there and say, shit, you

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00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: should submit this. Yeah, and he submitted it, and he

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Speaker 3: took a lot of and as an actor and someone

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00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: who auditions all the time, you gotta be okay with that.

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Speaker 3: You gotta have thick skin. You just got to believe

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Speaker 3: in what you want to believe in. You got to

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Speaker 3: be passionate about it and say you can't tell me

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Speaker 3: no because I believe in it and you don't understand it.

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Speaker 3: You just move on to the next I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's my coaching and if John agrees, that's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but just put it on paper. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well on behalf of John and Soft Breath and

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Speaker 3: you the listener and the viewer. I say, all right,

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Speaker 3: the rat say of peace.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to self rep Radia