WEBVTT - Matt Barnes 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.560 Damn. I mean this is gonna go viral too, Yep, 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:17.640 Jannis k d steph Indeed, I'm gonna take heat for 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:23.720 this last pick all my life and running all my 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:29.000 life sacrifice hustle back Prison wanna slice? Got the browner 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.600 dice to swad all my life? I've been grinding all 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.680 my life, all my life? Then running all my life 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.240 and up sacrifice hustle backer Brison, Want a slice? Got 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.640 the brolla dice to swath all my life? I've been 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:46.600 running in all my life. Hello, welcome to another addition 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.760 of the Club Sha Shay. I am your whole Shannon Sharp. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.320 I'm also the propriud of Club Sha Shake. And the 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.800 guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.080 is a fourteen year NBA vet. He's an NBA champion 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.920 and he might be the last of a dying breed, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.000 the last of the back had boys of the NBA. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.440 Matt Barnes and be what's up? Run It's going to 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.679 be here, man, Thanks for coming on. How you being? 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.040 I've been good, busy man, busy summer you know outside 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.920 of work, uh, you know, coaching my kids, you team, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.880 you know, traveling around the country with the kids. But 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.520 it was a blessing but it was fun. How how 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.039 did the boys do? So? We finished third nationally, so 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.560 I think we could have been one. We hit some 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.640 injuries and had one one of our center quit literally 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.560 two days before we hit Nationals. But I mean when 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.760 everything said, as a team, we did really well. Like 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.400 I said, we finished third, ranked number three in the 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.759 country for thirteen. You are not too bad. Congratulations on that, bru. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.200 Look I know on your your podcast up all the 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.720 smoke you guys smoke here at club we take a 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.759 drink of the Portier. Congratulations on what you and Stas 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.880 are doing. Appreciate that. Appreciate that said I said, I 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.480 smell this is smell like his money right here. Uh, 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.320 smell like money. Congratulations. Put the success on this as well. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.920 Appreciate it, Brun. Thank The hot button issue was I 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.760 made Dooka being suspended for all the entire season, and 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.560 initially when the news broke, You're like, you were very 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.920 much in support of I may the question would I 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.320 have for you? Were you support of how the Celtics, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.400 like damn they suspend a man for the whole year, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.160 or how they handled the situation in suspending it. I 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.880 think it started before that was we got the Robbert 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.840 Sarver information, right, and I've been saying he's a known 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.640 racist since I left there in twenty ten. So we 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.200 had that information for a couple of days, and then 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.000 following the Emay's situation loosely, and then once they dropped 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.160 a suspension, that's Robb just like because of course when 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.760 he reported, they say he's gonna be suspended, you know, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.639 for the entire season, but he's not gonna be fired. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.320 You're like, Okay, what is he gonna be suspended for? 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.400 So now all of a sudden, the information starts to 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.760 seep out he had a consensual relationship with a staffer, right, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.040 And so that was basically all the information everybody had. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.359 But obviously league you received some information yeah that the media, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.799 the public, the broad media, the public doesn't have. Yeah. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.600 So I mean with that, so again, initially, like you said, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.920 I went out there in defense from a standpoint of, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.520 you know, being in the league as long as I've 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.320 been in and being in corporations now, stuff like that 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.200 happens a lot, you know, So for me to hear 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.280 he was suspended the same amount of time as someone 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.280 who has sexually harassed and thrown racial slurs around an organization. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.000 It didn't make sense to me. You know, the way 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.919 Boston handle it could have could have been handled better. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.240 The way I came about it. Maybe I could have 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:36.720 handled it better, you know what I mean. But so 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.760 when I made the post in his defense, as soon 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.360 as I made the post on I tell you, maybe 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.520 two minutes later, I got a phone call and this 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.160 person that's telling me what happened, and I'm like, oh, okay, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.320 well maybe I should take down my post. So I 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.560 did it. But next morning I woke up and it's 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.160 still it hit the blog. So instead of being you know, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.240 I feel like so often in this space where if 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.280 you're wrong you just let it slide or or the 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.760 apology is really small. But I mean, and so I 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.920 came out and publicly said, hey, you know, I misspoke 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.480 before having all the information. I'm apologized. It's a lot 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.400 deeper than we know, and you know, I wish everybody 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.400 the best. And you know, some people respected the fact 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.000 that I came out and said that, and other people 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.800 are like, oh man, you're hating on this, dude, you're 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.480 doing this, or if you're in the media, tell us 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.279 what you heard. And I'm not someone that takes pride 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.279 and dumping on our people, right, you know what I mean. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.520 I think there's such a doubless sword and such a 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.280 double standard for us to even climb in the ranks. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.640 We climbed that. You know. When I found out something 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.839 the news, I'm just like, man, you know, if this 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.400 comes out, it's going to be ugly, but I'm not 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.000 going to be the one to have it come out, right, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.840 you know. So people started running with both sides of that. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.520 So it has been a whirldwin man, and you know, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.039 hopefully everyone can, you know, find some solace and some 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.560 peace in it and work itself out. I think a 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.440 lot of it had to do, especially coming from us, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.920 is that who he's dating, and you're like, man, how 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.960 he gonna do her like that? And it's it's deeper 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.640 than that, man, because you know, look, being a professional athlete, 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.239 we I think we're invincible, and then we've all done 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.400 some things that we threw caution to the wind. It 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.560 wasn't a fact that we making millions. It wasn't a 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.719 fact that it just came out. It's gonna be really 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.600 bad for us, and that moment at that time, that 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.520 was the most important thing. Damn the millions, Damn who 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.520 finds out about it? No, I completely agree. And the 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.599 one thing I definitely didn't touch on was the family 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:28.359 dynamic because I've done too many, too many things to 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.240 really even have a voice in that space. You know, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.640 I'm I'm the last one that's gonna tell anyone on 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.680 relationship advice or this isn't that because you know how 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.240 public and messy, you know, my divorce was so again, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.160 you know the fact that she is a you know, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.880 an icon in the space as far as acting, and 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.719 you know, has such an amazing reputation. That was something 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.359 that everyone else was harping on. But that's what I 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.680 didn't touch because I had already messed up in that space, right, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.680 you know what I mean. So I wasn't going to 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.400 be the one to criticize or you shouldn't have did this, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.359 or you shouldn't have did that. That wasn't me. Like 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.919 I said, I came to his defense initially because I thought, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.920 from what the information we had, that's a common thing 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.359 that happens not only in the NBA but across the board. Right. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.040 I think the thing is is that maybe if they 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.560 had said that, maybe they could have dressed it like 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.560 I may it's gonna take a year off to deal 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.120 with some personal issues, and then that would have gave 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.919 him some gave him some an opportunity to cover. But 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.360 when they leave it so broad and everybody started to speculate, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.320 and then a couple of like a day later, it 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.800 comes out, well, there's no covering for that. There ain't 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.440 no heat taking time off. We're suspending him because the policy. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.440 And I understand both sides and understand your point what 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.600 you're saying that this happens more time, more often than not. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.280 But I understand the corporation side of this because when 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.040 this thing hit the fan, the corporation is the one 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.880 that's that potentially could be out of millions and millions, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.040 so they try to cover it like bruh, let's just 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.599 the twenty million people that five million people in Boston, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.599 Go find you one of them. Leave what's here? But 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.719 it's a lot. Yeah, this person all the time, they 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.559 see these people all the time. You hey, how you doing? 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.640 You know what's going on? You because you know, you 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.960 develop a relationship with these people. But my whole thing 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.960 is is uncan you know, and you've been in professional 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.280 sports and you're in the corporate business world now, Like 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.400 this is not the first signed and I don't recall 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.920 anyone else ever having to have it put on front 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.560 street to begin with, right, you know what I mean? 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.840 Like normally like internal businesses, internal business where they want 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.280 to suspend them for a personal leave or personal reasons, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.280 that's fine. But I think again, the way it came 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.160 out that information, I'm just like, damn, Like I said, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.560 I didn't been in leave for a long time and 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.360 I hadn't seen some stuff. And although people came it 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.160 may have been found out, it was never brought to 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.600 the public, right, you know what I mean? So I 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.200 definitely think it was a smear campaign, and that's why 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.400 initially I had jumped to his defense. You mentioned your 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.760 public situation, your situation where you know you was going 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.720 through a divorce in situation, What did you learn from that? 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.440 What when you look back on it, what do you 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.480 wish you could have handled differently? I just think that 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.160 that you know, I had to come to terms with 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.400 a long time ago. As obviously, you know, being a 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.680 public figure, there's not much privacy to our lives to 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.080 begin with. A long time ago. But then the fact 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.720 that we jumped on a reality show as well, we 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.080 completely gave all of our privacy and private moments away, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.720 you know what I mean. So that's what I really learned, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.680 was obviously being an athlete. And I'm not even I 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.720 was a role player. I have no qualms about who 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.280 I was. I know exactly who I was, but I 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.400 was always on big teams and play with big guys. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.040 But then, like I said, when I opened the door 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.240 to my family situation via reality TV, I knew there 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.280 was no such thing as as as privacy anymore. And 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.360 that carried on through my relationship with my ex wife, 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.880 who we've been separated now damn youel seven years or 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.480 excuse me, divorced from a seven years too. You know 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.720 my current situation. So it's just, you know, the ability 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.600 to think back and wish that, you know, we could 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.719 have kept some things private. But you know, you learn 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.800 you wish you hadn't done that show. Oh absolutely not. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.360 And and and I you know, like I said, I'm 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.000 not speaking from my ex, but I'm pretty sure she 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.400 wished she didn't. You know, she didn't jump in the 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.400 in the show either. But again, you live and you learn, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.760 you're young, you have an opportunity. You want to, you know, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.439 give her an opportunity to kind of you know, build 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.080 out her her herself, what she was doing outside of 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.560 you know, our family stuff. And because when you look 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.520 at it, what you say, well, there's some good, but 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.080 it seems to me more bad good. Now we get 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.400 the Kardashians and we see how they made it, we 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.120 get parents, Hilton and how she took off, but more 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:25.600 time than not, break up, divorce. It's really too I mean, 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.600 you know the two people you mentioned, you know they're 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.920 not black, you know, I mean and and And I 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.120 say that with all respect because you know, when it 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:38.200 comes to black reality TV, it's it's such a an 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.440 untrue tale of who we are and we're about. You 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.640 know what I mean when you say basketball wives and 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.400 and and you know wives or girlfriends or whatever situation 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.400 may be. People don't act like that in the day 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.120 day They and we realized early on that they don't 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.400 want to see a happy family with kids and they 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.360 want out and forth. That sales, the drama sales. So 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.760 you know, just understanding again, no, what we got into 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.920 before we got into it, and we didn't and we 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.520 learned from it, but now we kind of sit back 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:09.520 and watch again. That was two thousand eleven. Well, you 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.680 know what I mean, and and and the reality world 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.960 is is you know, they say stuff comes and waves 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.719 and it's gonna fade. The reality TV has been here 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.040 to stay. But every time I you know, I jump. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.600 And this is not all, but I say, a majority 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.720 of the time you see black reality television, it's just 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.880 such a negative portrayal of who we are. It's just 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:29.280 it's it's disheartening the situation where you and a former 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.120 teammate of yours get into it. Do you wish you 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.560 to have that situation differently? No, No, I wish I 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.400 just wish that you I mean, I would hope it 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.200 for a little pausitan the real I mean, I mean, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:43.679 to keep it real. I mean, people die for shit 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:44.960 like that, you know. And the fact that I was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.840 an athlete that they didn't even come to my mind. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.720 I wasn't worried about. You know, I just felt like 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.280 it was the ultimate disrespect And it wasn't so much that. Yeah, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.840 you know, I divorced my girl, and and and and 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.240 you know, we both decided to actually, you know, even 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.840 though I'm the one the divorce. We were both done. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.480 It was a mutual thing. I just decided to file first, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.640 so we both go our separate ways. So you just 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.440 think if and to even give him a little bit, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.040 you know, you can't help for you fall in love with. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.199 I just wish from a standpoint knowing that there was 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.920 kids involved, right, Okay, I don't really like the way 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.200 you move on X wife. I'm not really tripping off that, 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:17.679 but the fact that you're gonna be around my kids 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.720 and don't tell me is where I had So I say, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.880 look at Matt, you know, hey, you and not we divorced. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.960 You know, we got the kids. But I'm I'm I'm 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.400 digging on someone else and you know who it is. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.560 So she comes to you and she tells, you know, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.920 he was an ex teammate of yours. I think they're 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.760 on the back of your neck gonna stand up. You go, like, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.520 who who did both? Are? I mean? And I would 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.160 say that, but at the standpoint, you know, again, after 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.520 we were both you know, we were out of love, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.880 you know, so I would have respected that. I may 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.800 not have liked it, but I can't do if you're 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.120 gonna be a woman or be a man and come 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.560 tell me the situation. Like, I can't do nothing but 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.400 respect it. Again, you may not agree, you may not 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.880 like it, but again I'm no longer in charge of 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.120 I never was really in charge. But you know her, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.240 she's are grown out woman. So what she decides to 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.200 move and do, it's fine. But again, I think the 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.040 fact that there were kids involved is where it really 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.160 bothered me that uh you know that that it wasn't 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.120 brought to me first right back to the IM it 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.960 says okay, consensual. Really they were involved in a consensual relationship, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.960 but at a later dating time it was unwanted advances. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.280 So that I think that's what through a lot of 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.440 people out there is that hold on how if we're 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:33.559 involved in a consensual relationship, I'm saying something that's inappropriate. Uh, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.720 I mean you think like okay, so somebody want to 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.839 end it and it kept going and then it wanted 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.680 to go. I mean it's like a or if someone 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.400 trying to say face after a fact, right right, you 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.640 know what I mean? So again this is this may 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.600 be one of those things, like I said, if details 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.760 come out and you know it's a crazy situation, you 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.040 know what I mean, but until we really get or 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.839 or someone breaks that news, I mean, it's gonna really 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.760 gonna be a lot of speculation. You know. That's what 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.480 foods involved, What's going on? What happened? Who happened? Like, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.280 it's a lot of different things, you know. I mean, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.120 so the person I talked to was very close to 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.280 the situation, and I got the information I got. But again, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.760 like I said, I'm not one that wants to break 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.400 negative news like that. Like I said, my whole purpose 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.640 from the beginning was to come in his defense, Right, dude, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.200 I think you and I both agree on this. I 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.360 think they're getting this thing up. I don't see how 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.360 he gets that job back. It gona be to man, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.240 it's gonna be really tough. And I know what they 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.520 were hoping. They were hoping that normally, in a situation 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.920 like this, the guy says, you know, I'm resigning, I'm 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.319 stepping down, and then they can just wipe their hands 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.440 of it. But he didn't do that, but to say that, Okay, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.200 he's gonna be away for a year and they're going 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.960 to reevaluate the situation. What is there to re evaluate 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.839 the situation? Happened? He's away It's not like he can 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.480 do something that can convince you this is not going 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.240 to happen again. All he can do is give you 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.600 his word. Yeah, all you could do. But but when 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.679 I look at it now, I kind of look at 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.760 it from a different standpoint of what a job he 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.840 did as a coach. Believable, you know what I mean. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.839 And I feel like, you know, when when we mess up, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.719 it's not an individual mess up, it's a blanket mess up, right, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.440 you know what what I mean, because black head coaches all 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.079 over there and that's how it happens, you know what 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.360 I means. So to me, it's an unfortunate situation one 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.680 because he was groomed under, you know, arguably one of 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.720 the greatest coach of all time, great Pakovich. You know, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.520 he paid his dues. And that team started off bad 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.600 last year where they turned the corner in January and 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.840 then they went on a run that was amazing and 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.000 made the finals. So I'm thinking, like, damn, they got 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.320 a young black coach, young talent. Boston is here for that. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.920 You know, they're they're going to be a team, you know, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.600 to wrecking with for a while. So now you look 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.440 at it, you know, five months later where you know 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.200 the coach is no longer in place, Who's you know, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:47.920 who's going to be the leader of this team? This 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.560 is a young, talented team. Like what happens to the 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.480 team because, like I said, there's so much you know, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.280 there's there's there's families that you know at Limbo now, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.240 but the Celtics themselves are at Limbo because again, this 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.240 is one of the best teams in the league with 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.520 one of the best young leaders in the gaming right 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.400 in Coach Udoka. And now you sit back and think, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.800 like the domino effect of the action that's going to 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.920 leave a lot of people kind of scrambling, like what's happening? 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.480 You know, when we're in our spaces as farmer athletes, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.760 you do a lot of stuff on ESPN. You have 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.880 your own podcasts. I do stuff here and if it's 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.200 one with Skip, I have my own podcast. We get 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.400 people are always asking us to comment on certain situations, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.960 and Shack was asking. Shack says, well, I'm not going 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.160 to comment for the simple fact I've been a serial cheater. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.080 But I think those things are two different things. I 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.800 can see and Shack is that he has corporations. I mean, 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.320 Shack is a tremendous businessman. But I think it's different 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.400 than you being a serial cheater and you being in 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.120 a position of authority and doing something outside of the 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.520 scope of what the organization says. Like you own a 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.240 corporation and you said, well, there's no fratnizing, there's no 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:56.120 relationship going on with someone subordinate or someone within that corporation. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:01.240 That's one thing. I mean, obviously we've all done things. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.240 I mean, let's not sit here and say we were perfect. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.800 But I don't look at it like Shan and you've 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.120 probably cheated on somebody as that. I can't comment on 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.720 that because I think cheating when I'm just a twenty three, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.400 twenty five year old man and I'm not in a 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.120 position of authority, it's different than kind of what I 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.320 think is going through. Well. I mean, like you said, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.120 I think you hit it on the head. We're always 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.360 asked to comment yes on everything, whether it's sports related 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.200 or not, and this happened to be sports related. So again, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.000 you know, again, I jumped out on a limb in 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.880 defense because although cheating is not right, I'm not judging 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.440 that far from perfect, you know what I mean. But 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.560 like I said, I didn't think the consequence off the 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.880 information we had before matched that, because again, if you 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.360 look at the Phoenix situation, this man is a serial 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.480 racist and has done all kinds of things, and they 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.480 got the same type of suspension. So that's it wasn't 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.400 I think if the Robert Sarvice ship hadn't broke a 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.640 few days before, I would have never commented on it. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.080 My whole thing was, how are these two things related. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.640 There's no way these are the same type of issues. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.240 Was an isolated incident and the other you had eighteen 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.399 year body of work and two hundred people coming in, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.000 you know, you know, coming to talk about that man. So, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.600 like I said, it was, my whole situation was, you know, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.040 to to try to you know, let you know we're 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.800 supporting you, because I know it's a bigger picture here, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.199 you know, Like I said, it's an unfortunate situation, but 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.800 you know, a great young black coach in the NBA 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.040 is is is you know, we got to take care 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.439 of those type of situations. And when something like that happens, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.920 it's not just him, it's us, you know. So that's 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.760 kind of the way I was looking at it. You 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.040 spoke that that you played in Phoenix, so you have 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.240 very first hand knowledge of the type of person that 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.879 Robert Sarver is not was is, and so you felt 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.320 very strongly that when you spoke out against him, you 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.480 had firsthand, you had intimate knowledge of the type of 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.879 person that you were dealing with. That they that the 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.520 report had come out and what it had laid out. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.040 You're like, yep, yep, yep, yep, Yeah, I mean it 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.600 was it was. I never ran into a racial situation 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.040 with him, per se, like face to face, because it 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:07.119 probably wouldn't ended well for him. But you know, former 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.399 teammate Earl Watson, who was the head coach there, you know, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.960 told me what happened with him, and it was eye opening. 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.800 I had seen him interact with people, and as soon 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.960 as people players walk away, i'd hear him say a 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.480 snide remark, but just his arrogance and the way he 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.159 carried himself, that he was the smartest and the richest 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.280 and the best person in the room kind of always 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:25.920 rubbed me the wrong way. And then a few years 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.800 after that, I went back to Phoenix and there was 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.560 a situation where we were playing them, and I was 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.120 I was someone in my career who didn't mind talking 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.920 to fans, whether we're talking shit or we're just talking 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.720 having a good time. So I think that makes the 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.720 experience better for our fans. So I'm talking to this 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.360 thirteen year old kid and his dad and we're back 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.720 and forth, laughing, and there's a free through being shot, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.200 and I hear someone say, don't talk to my fucking fans, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.400 like just like that, and I'm just like, huh, no way, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:51.840 he's talking to me. And I turned around and it's 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.560 him in the corner and sitting with his wife, and 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.199 I said, I'll come whether snicked the shit at you 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.440 right in front of your wife, and then ran back 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.240 down the court because the free throw was shot. He 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.440 told on me. I end up getting fined for twenty 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.000 five thousand dollars for inappropriate language to I don't know 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.600 if they said the crowd or to him, but I'm thinking, like, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.480 this guy is an owner, and he was the one 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.399 that said don't talk to my fucking fan. I'm not 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.199 just gonna say something to him. I don't even like 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:15.880 the guy, so I wasn't gonna say nothing to him. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:17.240 But the fact that he came at me first and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.959 I responded, how do I get find twenty five thousand 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.119 for it, you know, so that was kind of my 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.080 last straw. I really didn't like him, but it wasn't 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.479 something I was going to talk about at the time 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.199 because I really didn't care. But the fact that, you know, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.840 he costs me money, I'm this man like, fuck this guy. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.399 I think it was Earl Watson that said the story 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.480 that about how he was asking, how can Draymond say 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.080 the N word and he can't say it? And he 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.879 kept asking, well, what Draymond says it? Why can't I 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.479 see it? And MY question always is why is it 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.840 the way people in a certain group talked to each 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.199 other that people outside of that group. I want to 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.560 know why I hear women call each other b work. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.719 I never asked why can't I say that? I hear 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.520 people in the LBGT community say things to each other, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.359 and I've never asked, why can I say that? Because 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.040 I know why. I'm not a member of that community. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.239 We talk to each other a certain way. We call 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.040 in the black community. We'll call each other A But 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.520 I can let somebody else say that, No, it's it's 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.120 it's it's one of those things, like you said, you've 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.600 got to be along. It's it's almost the secret society 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.480 if you know, you know, you know what I mean, 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.080 And I think you made a perfect example with the 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.520 other community is just like we know why we can't 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.239 say that, but it's not right publicly. But again, if 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.960 you're amongst your people, your fans, your family, you know, 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.399 people you mess with and the world goes back and forth. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.199 To me, there's a different energy behind it when we 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:37.960 say it to each other than when someone else is 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.639 trying to implement it or say it. Damn you, you 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.560 seem to be at the wrong place at the wrong 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.480 time or the right place at the right right wrong 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.399 time because the Donald Sterling situation. You're on that team 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.920 and what trade. So when you hear that, now, did 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.520 you know that he was the way he was? So 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.359 y'all heard about it obviously, you know what I mean? Again, 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.440 you know, and you know because you play, we don't 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.679 play for the owners, right, you know, rarely do you 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.359 even interact unless you're a superstar. So I wasn't really 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.560 interacting with any of the owners. I played for it, 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.119 you know what it means. So when that hit rewind 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.359 a little bit. When I was in high school, I 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.439 senior in high school, you know, three months away from 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:21.359 going to UCLA. One white kid kept messing with my sister, 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.600 who was a sophomore at the time, calling her nigga, this, 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.640 nigger that, and I told her, you don't go tell 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.480 the principle, and she did and nothing happened. So one 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.760 particular day, this kid's calls her nigger again and spits 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.200 on her, and she just lost her mind, starts crying, 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.800 and her and her friends come find me. Kid happens 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.720 to walk by, and I do what a big brother's 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.280 supposed to do, you know, I mean I had, so 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.840 I get them get suspend. We go in there and 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.440 tell him. You know, my sister's complaining a handful of times, 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.680 you guys didn't do nothing. He spit in her hair, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.760 called her a nigger again, and you did do nothing. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.200 So I took it into my own hands where you 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.119 can't do that. And there's no proof he did that. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:58.720 This is and now I'm just like, so you think 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.000 my sister's crying, that's gonna lie about it. So fast forward, 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.040 I guess to spend it for a week. The KKK 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.520 comes and vandalized my school, burns down a classroom, swastika's 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.800 Die Nigger hung a mannequin from the football or from 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.560 a tree with my jersey on it. Die Nigger put 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.120 a green light on me, said that they were trying 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.120 to kill me. Had to move to a different part 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.919 of town in Sacramento. So I say all that to say, 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.400 when I heard the Donald Sterling stuff, I'm just like, yeah, 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.520 he's probably racist, but this is not a big deal 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.439 because he's not the only person that thinks like this. 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.600 He's just the only one dumb enough to get caught, right, 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.479 you know what I mean. So, like, I've seen so 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.239 much real racism and been in the midst of you know, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.919 literally burning down buildings and people trying to kill me 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.280 to think that what he said was wrong. But I'm 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.840 not gonna lose no sleepover again because he's not the 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:46.640 only one that think. There's a lot of people, not 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.639 just in sports, but are across the board that are 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.200 in positions of power who look at black and brown 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.480 people is less, you know. So when we heard that, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:55.960 obviously it was it was a huge situation, and and 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.479 all of our team, you know, all my teammates took 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.359 it a different way. But I think in the midst 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.600 of what was going on. We felt like we had 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.760 a good team. You know, we had won the Pacific Division. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.440 You know, there was that year or the year before, 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.359 we felt like we had a championship contender and we 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.639 wanted to play basketball. But this is the on the 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.080 urge of social media where athletes are starting to kind 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.840 of speak about more than sports, and all this other 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.360 stuff starts going on. So we're Uncle Tom's and you're 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.600 playing for a racist dude. You're doing this because the 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.080 world was trying to tell us what to do and 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.800 what not to do. So it was just it was 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.960 a tough situation. I think that cloud hanging over us 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:37.360 ultimately didn't make us lose, but kind of helped just 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.600 the energy, you know, of our team to end up 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.800 losing in the next round. How did you guys come 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.640 to the conclusion that you were all gonna throw your 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.119 one up top in the center? It was my idea 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.399 because again we were talking about not playing and looking back, guys, 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.159 I hear guys left and right saying, you know, we 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.119 shouldn't have played, but we didn't know what the you know, 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.360 how long do we not play? Right? Is it one game? 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.320 What happens that automatic laws head. It was so new. 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.880 You know, how do we do we not play until 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:06.800 he's fired? Is he gonna get fired? So there was 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.239 so much unknown again, and we felt like we had 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:11.960 a good enough team to win it that we decided 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.560 to play. So we wanted to do something in solidarity 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:16.960 that let people know, like we're not okay with it, 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:18.919 but again, we're not playing for this guy, Like we 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.560 don't care about Donald Sterling. We care about who's in 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.840 this locker room in our family. So you know, we 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:25.760 tried to come up with a bunch of different ideas 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.199 on just like, look, the most important thing right now 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:29.719 if we're gonna play, is we gotta beat this young 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.360 hungry Warriors team because if people remember we beat them 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:33.800 in Game seven, but the next year is they went 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:35.720 on their dynasty runs. So we knew we had a young, 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.000 hungry team that we had to take care of it 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.760 and it needed all of our attention. So if we're 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.920 gonna do something, let's do something that's get it done 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.600 early on and then try to focus on the game. 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:46.760 So you know, I came up with to throw the 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.320 ship in the middle of DS, try to go focus, 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:49.840 and I think we got beat by like thirty of 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.919 that game. So it was a mess. But we're actually 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:54.760 making so I just brought was brought on as a 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.320 consultant for Strilling Affairs. So FX is actually making a 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.560 six part series about that show that supposed to drop 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.280 you the later this year or early next year about Wow, 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:07.560 Well congress on bare. John wall the guy, unbelievable talent, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.720 an All Star tears as Achi lead. Then I think 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.439 he retears it. He dealt with the death of his 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.960 mom and he's talking about you know, at one point 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.040 in time, basketball was an afterthought because of what he 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.160 was going through, and he contemplated suicide. And we heard 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.320 Paul George speaking about this a couple of years ago 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.920 about in the bubbling what he was going through and Matt, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.639 you old Scott, I'm a lot older than you, with 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.240 you old school, and we like got athletes are supposed 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.359 to be invincible. We don't. We can't show weakness now 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.280 because if you weak, get your weak you know what 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.240 up out of here. But to hear guys that have 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.119 reached the top and to hear says man, I was 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.760 at my breaking point, John Waller specific. I don't know 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.720 what Paul George, but he just said he was dealing 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.000 with some things. But to hear John Walls so, man, 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:51.760 I was at I was at my breaking point many 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.080 I just had to reach out and say, man, hey, 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.159 I need some help over here to deal with this well. 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.640 I mean, I mean take away the athlete first, our 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.560 community in general. It's a sign of weakness. We don't 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.959 talk about it as as a man. It's get your 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:04.720 weak ass up, or you're gonna be all right, or 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.320 if it's crazy, or get your crazy ass out of 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.760 here exactly. Mental was never a reason for anything for us, 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.120 you know. So to me, I think it's refreshing that 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.199 people can speak on this and they're taking serious. But 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:18.639 at the same time you still see a lot of 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.880 people with that kind of that old mentide like, man, 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:22.680 you make all this money with the fuck you talking about, 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.640 you've got no real issues. But again, that mental thing 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.720 is heavy, right. I mean, I never went to the 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.760 bubble and never had a significant injury, you know, the 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.359 John wall have. But you know, when people think, you know, 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.679 money fixes everything. Money fixes a lot of things, but 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:38.720 not everything, you know what I mean. And sometimes you 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.720 could be alone in a room full of people that's 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:46.320 the ownault. So you know, again, I commend these guys 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.840 to have the bravery to say it, because it's not 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.159 as many people who are going to receive it warmly 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.000 and understand to be Yeah, a lot of people are 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:55.520 gonna be like, man, look at these weak as you 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:56.919 know what I mean, which is crazy. So I mean 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.680 I commend them. And also, Kevin loved Marda Rose and 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:01.840 a lot of guys have come out and spoke on 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.760 him because I think it's important. Man. Ben Simmons, right, 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.280 another perfect example of just just mentally is a lot, 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.000 you know. And again I've been through so much growing 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.479 up that you know, I think I was, you know, 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:17.480 made for the critiques and the disrespect and all that stuff, 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.120 but at sometime sometimes it really gets to you. So 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.720 again I commend those guys, and I commend any with 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.360 anybody who's brave enough to come out and talk about 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.040 something like that. You mentioned Ben Simmons and what he 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:33.280 was going through. Here's a guy that's immensely talented, sixteen, 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.119 six eleven, can handle the ball. He was Rookie of 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.000 the Year, he's been an All Defensive NBA player twice, 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.320 He's been a three time All Star. But for whatever reason, 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.960 he does. He's I'm not saying he can't shoot Matt, 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.640 but he's a guy that's afraid to shoot. You see, 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.480 black people, we don't. You know, it's not that we 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.520 can't swim. We're afraid of the water. Well, if you're 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:54.960 afraid of the water, I can't teach how to swim 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.360 because I can't teach out to swim. If you don't 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:57.959 want to get in the water, gonna take a chance, right, 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.879 Ben is afraid to shoot because you watch him at 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.359 warm ups. He got a nice stroke for him. I've 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.320 seen him play open gyms where he's coming off picking 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.520 rolls and pulling up, coming down to transition, hitting full 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.959 up threes, and I'm just like, so to me, it 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.560 makes me like it's one mental with him. Yes, And 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.840 I think he has to understand that it's okay to miss. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.080 Everybody step missus, MJ missus, Kobe, missus. You know, so 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:20.840 it's okay to miss. So I think once he gets 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:25.000 over that mental hurdle, he's gonna be fine. But like 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:26.919 you said, all the other attribute he has to the 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.320 game makes him one of the best players in the world. 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:30.679 So I think if he can get out of his 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.960 own head and We just talked about this earlier on 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.680 the ESPN today, where Steven Nash came out and said, 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.720 I don't need Ben to shoot. To me, that's the 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.560 wronger person. I just don't think Steve, Steve, Steve Nash 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.840 wants any smoke right now, considering all the other ship 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.520 you don't want no smoke. So Steve, he's gonna take 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.240 the lat the path of resistance. But to me, it's 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.120 been keeping a tight circle and his teammates continuing to 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:52.440 hype him up. Like I said, if I was on 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.440 Ben's team, I would be in his ear constantly, just about, bro, 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.560 we got you. You know, whatever you need, we got, 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:58.200 we believe in you, we love you. One of the 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.880 best Black Sometimes people just need that positive reinforcement by 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.520 by the people around him. And he felt like, you know, 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.280 and in Philly he didn't get that, you know, And 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.320 b came out and said something, and but I said, 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.280 at that time, man, I think you might have came 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.320 with it. Y'all said it's over. I said, you can't 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.400 have the best players say what you said. And they 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.760 asked Doc after the game, and Doc might have been 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.560 men mean anything, but you cannot say I don't know 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:23.440 if I could win a championship with him my starting 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.760 point guard. If it's over, and it was over, I 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.840 think I did come over when that happened. And like 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.720 I said, when you get your your road dog, the 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.040 best player on the team with you and your head 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.360 coach saying that, I knew that situation was over. Oh 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.520 he's weak, he's this, he's at But at the same time, 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.080 like I get it, man, this generation is different, first 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:42.680 and foremost. But if you know, if you got your 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.680 coach and and and the guy's supposed to be your 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.960 right hand man, you know, saying things, and I don't 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:48.880 think they meant it in a disrespectful way. I just 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.840 think that they were hurt and frustrating, caught up in 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.440 the moment, you know. But but what came out came out. Yeah, 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.480 and because the way it beats, like, well, when did 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.520 you think you lost from the midium of the game, Well, 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.520 we had an opportunity for dump and we passed it 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.120 up and we make one free throw, right, Bro, you 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.240 went to that specific and say that was the reason, 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.440 not that that you had a three one that was 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.320 at the end of the game. So yeah, it's and again, 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.160 like I said, you know, Shannon. It's tough because I 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.960 commend anyone who's always cool, calm and elegant under pressure 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.120 because winning losing all that that, we were full of 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.640 so much emotion, you know what I mean, and to 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.520 have to take a deep breath and calm down and 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.480 articularly get across your point, you know, even though there 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.040 may be some still have some emotions the way, it's 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.880 hard to do. And like I said, I don't think 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.960 Joel or those guys meant to disrespect him at the time, 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.920 but they were caught in the moment and they took 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.000 that one play when you know, it's not one play 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:43.880 that ever loses you a game, serious, it's a whole 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:46.800 combination of things. And it came out publicly and then 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.800 everyone started jumping and taking sides, and I knew right then, 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.840 just like you do, that ship was over. Yeah, because 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.080 that's the thing. I mean, there have been time like this. Dude, 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.960 he called to us a game, he played terrible, that's 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:57.880 what happened, but you just like, you know, we win 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.240 on the team. Hey, you wouldn't playing a tea ball today. Bro. 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.280 You look at John Wall going to the Clippers and 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.160 he says he's in a better headspace, headspace. Now he 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.320 hadn't played. It's been so long since John we've seen 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.719 John Waller on the court, so I don't really know. 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.000 I know what he was before he got injured. I 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.320 don't know what he will be. Kawhi's been away for 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:22.320 a year, Paul George came back. They have the makings 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.959 of something good because I love Tyler. Tyler get them 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.080 great coach man, Tyler getting them to play hard all 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.240 the time. But they're gonna be in different roles now. 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.680 All those guys that were getting no free shots and 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.560 Reggie Jack just coming out and getting fifteen twenty shots 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.120 at night, and Marks and all these guys. Now Kawhi 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.560 gotta get his eighteen shots PG, gotta get his sixteen shot. 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.720 John Walla's gonna be coming up the picket roll getting 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.080 this eleven twelve shots. So now you're in a different role. 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.640 One plus one plus one doesn't always equal three, and 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.360 then you throw plus two, you might not necessarily get five. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.680 If Tyler wasn't a coach, I would be worried about that. 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.959 But Tyler having him as a coach and Noman as 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.680 a person, he doesn't hold his tongue for nobody so 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.200 he's gonna let everyone know who has an issue with 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.480 Kawahi getting his eighteen shots, PG getting his eighteen shots 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.360 and John getting other shots. I don't give a fuck 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:13.960 what you think. This is how it's going to go. 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.600 And I want to commend him because if you think 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.520 about it, the way he's been able to keep that 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.400 team afloat without their stars, you know. I mean, I 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.440 think they said something today since they've been together, that 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.280 they've only played one hundred and fifty games together PG 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.920 and Kawhi out of you know, almost three hundred games. 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.760 He's kept that. He's kept that team respectable and kept 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.120 them afloat and made role players up their games and 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.600 guys from the bottom of the bench get quality minutes. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.160 So now to me, when you reinsert two of the 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:42.880 best two way players in the game, and then to 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.960 me John Wall, who was one of the most explosive 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.760 point guards I've seen in the game. And although he's 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.680 been removed the one season he did play in Houston, 0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:51.640 although he was coming off I think two and a 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.400 half years of not playing three years and not playing, 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.760 he was nineteen and nine. I mean, so I don't 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.320 even think they need him to be that now. And 0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.600 I think why this is a great situation for John 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.880 because he always been called to be the savior. Right 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.200 now you can just come in and be one of 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.640 the guys and and and contribute the way you can 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.560 contribute Now. Obviously you're not the same player you were 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.160 when you were an All Star, but you still have 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.200 a lot of basketball to give. And I think he 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.880 has a lot to prove, not only to itself but 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.760 the rest of the world. But how how do you 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.040 when you've always been that, how do you tell yourself 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.720 I'm no longer needed. That's no longer needed for me. 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.120 And we don't talk about Russ, but Russ has been 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.840 the guy and he came in again. He still wanted 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.040 to be showed that I feel Russ, So how do 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.320 you how do you How does a guy that's been 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.440 the guy at the stops that he was at all 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.640 of a sudden say nah, I'm good, I can be 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.360 third fiddle. You gotta ask guys like that, because I mean, 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.240 you know what I mean. But I think again with 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.600 with with him, you know what, if you're a student 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:44.080 of the game, like I know, John is a very 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.480 intelligent person. He watches the game. He saw the game, 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.640 he knows the game. He knows he's older. Although he 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.560 hasn't played a lot in the last three or four season, 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.600 he knows he's a little bit older now. And then 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.640 you also know that this is not every team he's 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.400 been on pretty much has been his team, right, This 0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.680 is Kawhia's team and Paul's team, you know what I mean. 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.600 And then Abe even t lose team, right, you know 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.080 what I mean. So I think he's smart enough to 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:08.280 understand that where he comes in and is picking, choosing 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.960 his spots and being effective on both ends of the floor, 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.560 is what's going to be a small piece of something 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.040 big instead of a big piece of nothing. When you 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.520 look at PG and Kawai, they've been together almost four 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.200 years now, they don't really have anything to show for it. No, 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.719 and and what is it? Uh? PG is so what 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.880 Kawhi is two? So two on three Area Cold was 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.000 supposed to supposed to deliver some jewelry. But I think 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.920 that and this is not to make an excuse, but 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.960 to me, the only reason why they haven't had anything 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.160 to show for it is because of injuries. And you 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.480 know that's something that you know, the Lakers could possibly 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.080 say with a d with Milwaukee could say last year 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.000 when they lost middle ten as injuries are such a 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:48.359 big part of the game. But what they do have 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.160 is they went to the you know, the Western Finals 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:51.880 for this first time in the history of the franchise. 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.319 And although that's not gonna do anything, like I said, 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.880 it's it shows them that they do have the pieces, 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.520 and I think now arguably they have the deepest team 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.160 in the game. So on paper, this team looks good, 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.120 but like you said, we have to see it in 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.000 real life both of the course of the season, at 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.520 least sixty to sixty five games for PG and Kawhi 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:14.799 each to really understand play no. Sixty five games man, 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.680 that man, they played that many games since he left 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.960 San Antonio. Maybe fifty five to sixty man, but lower it. 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.560 But just like I said, understanding that it's it's a marathon, 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.920 not a sprint, and we need both these guys, We 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.239 need everybody healthy going into the playoffs. You look at 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.120 you like you like the Clippers in the West. Who 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:37.560 you like in the West going to stay in the Clippers? Man? Hey, 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.919 Lakers brought on Pat Bayff love it, love it side, 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.640 Dennis Shrewder. I don't know what he was thinking. I 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.600 don't know his age. I hope he fired his agent 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.960 because if you turned down eighty four million and now 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.640 you come back for he got eighty two million less 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.920 than he should have got. Yeah, that's tough. How do 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.359 you how do you? How do first of all, how 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:56.960 do you come back for that? Okay, man, I got 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.920 this contract for you. Here, here's eighty four million dollars. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.279 He's like, no, I want one hundred million. No I 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.600 got eighty four No I want a hundred You're like, okay, well, 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.600 I'm gonna test to I'm gonna go out here free agency. 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.560 And you don't get that? Do you fire your agent 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.200 or you kicking yourself? Like? What the hell was I thinking? 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.440 You gotta slap yourself first, and for must because I 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:16.880 don't give a fuck on my agents that if I 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:18.520 wanted that eighty four I'm gona get it. So now 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.440 there's no agents gonna say let me hold out for 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.239 sixteen more millions. So I think that was probably more 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.680 him than anything. And I'm not mad for people betting 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.600 on themselves, but this, I think is a perfect example 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.680 of when betting on yourself goes wrong. Because you think 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.520 he goes to Boston next year, some shit happens, he 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.040 doesn't really play there, and then he's out of the 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.160 NBA right and then clearly in this summer, you know, 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.319 basketball overseas, he showed he still has what it takes. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.279 So I thought it was a great pick up for 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.719 the Lakers. Just unfortunate that he didn't get his money. 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.880 And if you think about the historical significance of the 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.400 Lakers franchise and the fact that so many great players 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.560 that have played at that uniform and hung championships, never 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:55.200 got that offer right and he turned it down. So 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.480 I think it's something he's aware of, and he's probably 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.640 gonna hear jokes about it for a long time, but 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.120 jokes aside. I think Pat Bevan and Shoulder were great 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:07.880 pickups for them. What is your expectation for the Lakers? 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.720 It seems to me Russ doesn't want to be there. 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:17.520 They don't want Russ there, but they can't find a taker. 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.439 And if the takers, I believe any taker that takes 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.480 on Rust is looking to buy Am out and they 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.560 don't necessarily want Rust. They want to extract those two 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.839 first round pick that's unprotected in twenty seven and twenty nine. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.000 That's what they want. They don't want Rust. They want 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.320 those picks. They want the Lakers. You ain't got no 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.600 first round picks until twenty thirteen. It's twenty twenty two now, 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.120 so Lebron is gonna be gone. Then there's a possibility 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:48.040 AD's going to be gone. Then we got no picks. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:53.560 They gotta win somehow, period. But they got the You know, 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:57.000 to me, there's so much unknown. Like I said, we're 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.800 all guessing as far as does Rust want to be 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.560 or do they want him there? Do the players do 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.920 they collide do this? All I know is he's on 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.080 the team right now, yes, and they're gonna have to 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.600 figure it out. But I think they can figure it out. 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.800 I think the key to this team, obviously, outside Lebron's greatness, 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.279 is Anthony Davis's availability, but I think second is and 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.560 normally when you go to a team with the superstars 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.520 such as Lebron, everyone else has to kind of change 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.200 their game to make it fit him. I think this 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:29.680 may be the one rare occasion where Lebron might have 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.040 to sacrifice a little bit to get the most out 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.040 of Rust, because I think we Lebron did the past 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.040 two years is Lebron showed us that he can get 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.480 it from anywhere. Now. We never seen Lebron post up 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.440 as much as he's post up, and he's a monster 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.640 on the block, whether it's whether it's pinch, post or post. 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:46.920 We've never seen him be a screener and be a 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.319 dynamic roller and dunk on people, and he showed he 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.120 can do that. We also show that he can pick 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.400 and pop now and get the ball to the second 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.719 side and make action. Comes. So with Lebron showing us 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.879 that he has more, which I didn't think there could 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:02.399 be anymore to his fucking package, but there is more. 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.440 Braun showed us he can get the ball and get 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.080 it whenever he wants. So I think with that said, 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.600 I think Bron may have to take a small step 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.919 back to allow Rust to be Russ because you think, 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:13.960 you know, you get older, you're gonna your game is 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.600 gonna change a little bit, You're gonna find a way. 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:17.279 I think Russ is gonna be Russ, and I think 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.600 what makes him great sometimes is his downfall. But one 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.680 thing I do know is you can't put Russell Westbrook 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.080 in the corner. He's always had the ball in his hands. 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.359 So we all know the Lakers are at their best 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.520 with Broun has a ball in his hands. But I 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.080 think that what could happen is allow Russ to have 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.719 the ball in his hands the first two and a 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.200 half quarters to really get a feel. You know, obviously 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.799 Bron's gonna have it sometimes, they're ade'll have it sometimes there, 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.279 but allowing Russ to get his rhythm. So by the 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.399 time Lebron takes over at the middle of the third quarter, 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.600 in the fourth quarter, when he has the ball in 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.439 his hand, enjoy the time, Rust is already in rhythm. 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.279 Right most of the time, like I said, they put 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.360 Rust in the corner and make him crash the glass. Like, 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.719 that's not that you're you're not utilizing him to the 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.400 best of his ability. So I'm a firm believer in 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.040 you know, as great as Lebron, if Lebron can take 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:02.840 a small step back to allow Russ to take a 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.440 step forward, I think that's something they'll figure out. But 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.520 I also think that great players always find a way 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.120 to make it work, and they just haven't had enough 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.239 time together. We broke it down last year, like when 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.680 they both didn't play. I think Rust will average like 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.879 twenty five, nine and nine, you know, and when when 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:19.600 it was just him and a D he averaged in 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.160 the twenties, and then when Braun was in there, it 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.600 was only down to sixteen. So I say all that 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.000 to say, like, obviously we know how great Lebron is. 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:27.319 At the end of this year, will be the number 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.280 one score all time, and he's top ten and assists, 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.759 so we know his greatness. But I think Broun is 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.600 also smart enough to know that. You know, for us 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.160 to win, first of all, we need eighties ass on 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.000 the court, but we're gonna need something out of Russ. 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.000 So let me figure out a way I can get 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.239 Russ more involved and get rust feeling comfortab enough to 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.439 be himself because we're gonna need him. What does Pat 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:51.640 Beverley bring through the Lakers? Energy, dog, a toughness that 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:56.960 they lacked. I love Pat Bev, you know, same similar 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:58.799 player to me. You know, I mean someone that you 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:03.520 know doesn't always get appreciated what they should, but normally 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.480 is a key part to winning. So I think the 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.440 Pat Bev pickup was huge. I think he's gonna challenge 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.880 those guys. He has no filter, so you know, anybody 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.040 can get it. It It was something I love, and I 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.560 just think he's gonna help hold those guys accountable because 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.520 I think I've seen, you know, in the past couple 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.759 of years, and this is no not to anyone. It 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.400 just seemed like, you know, to wear that like your 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.440 uniform and be okay with losing should never be okay. 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.560 It just seemed like those guys were okay. So I 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.840 think when you have someone like Pat Bev, who was 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.320 always on a hundred, he's not gonna let that stuff obviously, 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:37.960 along with Lebron and Ad and the rest of the 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:42.400 leaders go, you know, unaddressed anymore. So I love the 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.319 Pat Bev pick up. You have some issues. I mean, 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:49.120 his first time out on television, he took he would 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.080 just he would just beating anybody over the head like ruh, 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:53.960 slow down now, yeah, I mean you act didn't like 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.040 Magic John, You talk like magic got like six ships 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.360 for fut of your bed. A couple of vps dain't 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.000 champions the brod back like in word low speaking on 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.719 private conversation to pray it Mofo's Outphoy, It's weird. What 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.359 what what did you take issue with? Because I just 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.279 praise the shit out of him, and I love him 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.080 as a player, don't really necessarily know him as a person, 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.560 will respect him as a man obviously, But everything I 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.279 just said in that locker room is okay if you 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.280 want to go off and yell and and and and 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.239 no one is safe. I'm good with that because that's 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:24.920 the locker room and people do that. You know, you 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:26.160 don always have to be the best player to be 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.760 a leader, right, So I know that he's a leader, 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.560 and I'm good with that. But when you bring that 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.720 energy and emotion on TV and attack someone like CP, 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.200 it's just like off some personal shit that happened, I 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.839 guess back from a high school campus where it started out, 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.920 and just like to me, I just think in media 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.920 so often it's just like it's not about you know. 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:49.440 To me, we have a tough job because we have 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.200 to critique, and as former players, you never would really 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.160 want to shot on nobody because we know how hard 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:54.520 it is. Yeah, I mean, but I think there's a 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:58.239 way to critique and still be personal, right, to still 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.279 be respectful. And I think of late now, it's just 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.200 so disrespectful that it's just like, come on, bro, like 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.040 you played, you know how tough this game is you 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:06.920 know how lucky we already even be in these seats, 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.759 Like I just didn't like the energy he brought. But 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.799 it's it's a double edged sword because as much as 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.439 I said something to him, you see, he's on TV 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.240 the next seven days because they like just like reality 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.759 Like reality TV, they like controversy, controversy. It's clicks and 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.160 views and viralness and that's what they want. So again, 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.000 I'll have no problem with Pabev. I'm a big fan 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:29.480 of his game, and I think he's going to be 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.360 a great commentator because he's he's a thinker and he 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.319 speaks his mind and there's always going to be room 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.560 for that when he's done playing. But I just took, 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.600 you know, offense to the way he came in at CP. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.480 And it was crazy because when I said that, I 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.759 got calls from league officials, old referee. I ran into 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:47.160 a grocery store. Players like a lot of people are like, man, 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:48.799 We're glad you said that, because you know, a lot 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.440 of people would have just let that slide. And I 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:51.719 just feel like, you know, if we're going to be 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.360 in this space, especially as players, I think there's a 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.440 way we have to conduct ourselves and hold ourselves and 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.839 give the fans a real unique look because, with all 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.480 due respect, people like it or Steve and Ay, we're 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.719 never in that locker room. Correct, They never shot that 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.760 free throw, never had to score that game winning touchdown. 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.239 So they're great at what they do because they're giving 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.920 their perspective as someone who's done a lot of researching 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.240 as a big fan of the game game for numerous years. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.920 But we played the games. To me, it's different, it's different, 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:17.960 and I feel like we have a responsibility to carry 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.080 ourselves in and give that back to the fans. What 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.200 about going like when you say something have players because 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.319 a lot of times with me, you know, I'll say 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.480 things that what I see and players get upset. Players 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.319 get upset with me, like, brou you trying to bring 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.359 a black man down. Bruh, I say you didn't play good. 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.120 How am I trying to bring you down? But I 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.399 said you didn't play good. The people at home see 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.919 you didn't play good. So me, I'm supposed to turn 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.200 a blind out. Now I'm gonna lose credibility because they say, oh, 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.399 you're covering for your boy. You know, man, you saw 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.920 that and wanted them to touchdown and you will talk 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.239 about he played good. Yeah. No, I mean, like I said, 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.200 we have a tough job. But I mean it's what 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:57.120 we signed up for. So there's a way to tell 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.360 you that you play like ship, but I still love you. 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.280 But I shouldn't have to tell you that I still 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.000 love you even though I tell you play like shit. 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.120 You know, just know that that the best where it's at, 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.440 Know that there's there's a respect level there. But I 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.799 think it hurts players more when it comes from us 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.640 because we play and and this is again this is 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.399 not a Blaker's statement, but this Nordy. They're not like us. 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.480 They're not And I don't even mean it from a 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.000 talent standpoint. I just mean like the thick skin a 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.359 lot more sensitive and because they've had so much given 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.160 to them so early, you know what I mean. And 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:28.920 I love it, Like get all the money, get all 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:30.799 the fame, get all the accolades, but you gotta remember 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.600 you gotta come out here and perform every single night, 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:34.799 you know what I mean. So I think it's it's 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:36.480 a double air storre for what we do because we 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:41.440 do have to critique and sometimes players are going to 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:43.920 take it the wrong way, and luckily I have I 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.000 haven't had no one have an issue, but always said 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:47.960 but I'm always willing to talk to someone if if 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.839 I said anything they felt was over the line or disrespectful, 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.080 because I really try to pride myself. And again, I 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:54.879 have to critique you because that's my job, but I'm 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.520 not going to disrespect you as a man. Right. You 0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.960 see sha shag of Barkley, they go by, they don't 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:05.400 give a shit, and I love it. Man, Charles is 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.920 crazy shot. They already know Shack gonna say what you 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.800 all because shacket Shack three hundred feet power. They nobody 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.480 go ever with Shack. But I'm like, I ain't really 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.080 tried to go I ain't tried to go there. I'm 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:17.920 gonna say, Brun, you should have caught the ball, or 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.439 you should have got out of bounds, or you should 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.920 have made this play. And guys get get upset, but 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:23.640 sometimes they get mad not to cut you off because 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.359 they know they should have did it. Like you said, 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.040 what else you can't fool us. I ain't be able 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.000 to fool the fans or that. But we know, bro, 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:30.719 and you know no better. And that's why I think 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.440 they'd be getting mad something because they know and then 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.080 Damn Shannon said, what I fucking knew when I should 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.319 have did it? And a lot of times I do. 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.520 I do try to hold back because the crime told me. 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:44.239 He's like, you have to understand coming from you, you 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:49.439 do understand. You got a gold jacket. You were I'm 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:54.480 two sixty seven, a big by no. I was the 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.560 two hundred and sixty seven member the Pro Football Hall 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.279 of Fame. I got super Bowls and when I left 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.880 the game, man, I had all the record. So a 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.040 lot of times when you when they talk about, okay, 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.520 what did you do? You tell us what we should 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.359 do and how would you? But what did you do? 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.320 They can't come at me like that because I want 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.440 I played at a high level. I got a gold jacket, 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.480 and they can't and they can't whoop you. So it's 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:20.480 like it's like, damn, So I'm like brouh all I 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.640 did would say you should have called the ball or 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.560 you should have done this, and somehow you turn that 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.359 into I'm trying to bring a black man down. It's unfortunate, man. 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.400 Like I said, it's it's a tough and it's almost 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.759 like you always have to pick sides yea now, which 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.319 is unfortunately you have to like me, giving respect to 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.880 someone else doesn't discredit anyone else. Run. I mean, it's 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:40.520 so much like you have to It's just such a 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.880 crazy because everyone has voices now right before when athletes 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.439 didn't have voice, you got social media that you got 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:48.400 you got how many you got like a billion? You 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.240 got a billion analysts, you gotta billion form the NFL 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.839 players MLB basketball like hello, bru the referee, but they 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.240 can't chew gum and dribble a ball. People who couldn't 0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.400 catch a ball to save their life, people who couldn't 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.720 swing a base ball back without hurting themselves. But everyone 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.920 as an expert what I mean. So we live in 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:05.440 in that kind of world, so we have to take 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.120 it with a grain of salt. But at the same time, 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.080 sometimes people just don't want to hear it. Help. Have 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.360 you ever played with someone that you had a beef 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.360 with and then you guys later became teammates because you 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:18.759 look at Russ and Pat Bell, I mean they tried 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:22.840 to downplay it, but look Pat Bell tried to steal 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:24.319 the ball from Russ when he was called the time 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.480 about and he Clipton and ever since then, for whatever reason, 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.200 they've been going at it. Now. I believe you consider 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.279 the side, but you do realize, man, you know my 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:33.960 knee ain't been the same since you did that bull 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.520 job because he tore something, right, Yeah, yeah, he tore something. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.640 I mean you can you can, you can forgive, but 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.280 you don't forget, right, you know what I mean. So again, 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.120 I think being grown man and kind of understanding that 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.359 you're on the same page for the same common goal 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:50.920 might be different. But I personally never had a real beef, 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:52.479 you know. I mean people thought me and Kobe didn't 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.359 like each other, but we really fucked with each other, 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.480 you know what I mean, so much that we almost 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:58.759 thought and he had me come to his team. There 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.439 was never really no no beef there. So I can't 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.560 really speak to if I had beef of someone I 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:05.200 had to play with him, but I can speak to 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.719 understanding that. Okay, I remember what you did to me, 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.319 But now we are on the same team, so let's 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.799 go get it together. Right. What do you expect from 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:16.600 Russ this year? I expect a big year from Russ. 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.600 I think that Russ has been one of the most 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:23.680 mentally strong players we've ever seen, because if you look 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:26.080 at his resume, it's first about Hall of Fame, but 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:29.239 he's taking criticism the entire time. And he's always had 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.160 a way of just, you know, saying, forget the noise, 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.000 I'm gonna go out here and play. But I always 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.400 tell people, come in to LA is so much more 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:38.000 than dribbling that ball boy, Like, particularly being a Lakers, it's, 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.359 you know, you're you're constantly under magnifying glass. There's no 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.920 safety for you or your family, no, you know what 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.200 it means. So sometimes it's it's unwarranted, but it just 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.480 comes with having that Lakers across your chest. So I 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.359 just think he, you know, he realized that I'm back 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.040 home shit and his sweet as I thought it was. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.040 But I gotta come out here and play because I 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:58.840 I'm a firm believer. Like I said that the numbers 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:02.720 don't lie. When he was playing by hisself, and obviously 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.759 he's not gonna be he could still produce so and 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.040 I think his numbers were like eighteen, seven and six 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.560 last year. Overall, that's that's still good, you know what 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.719 I mean. So I just think again, you know, he 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:14.279 had to look at hisself in the mirror because there 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.400 are some adjustments he has to make. This is not 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.759 everyone else's fault. There are times where he just didn't 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:20.960 play good. He didn't shoot the ball good, and he 0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.440 knows that. But I think again, he's smart enough to 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.600 know that. And I'm thinking he's coming in hopefully with 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.400 the clear head and understanding of you know, how can 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.000 I be the best me while helping this team? Not 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:32.400 how it can just be the best me, but how 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.479 can I be the best mean while helping this team 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.880 achieve our goal? I think the biggest thing and this 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.640 is what I tell Man when I talk to him, 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.719 I say, without expectation, there would be no disappointment. You 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.160 get disappointed in your kids because you have the expectation 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:49.239 for ye. You get disappointed in the Laker nation. They 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:53.719 got seventeen championships. They've seen great basketball magic. Kareem Will, 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.279 Jared Within shot Kobe this was that one. So you 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.879 can't be as you can't use the guys. I'm la kidd. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:02.279 I used to go to the raid and watch you. 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:04.759 They don't care. They don't care. Did you see when 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.400 it look at Lebron? Lebron came here as accomplished a 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:13.160 four time MVP, three time champion, all these NBA, all 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.640 NBA teams, all these All star you ain't doing none 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.279 of that for us, So why we care? Don't you 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:21.840 put don't you put another Marl up barn because if 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.239 you do, we gonna take it gard that people. You know, 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.200 he was out here, people really did. After everything he's 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:28.920 accomplished and the thing, he wants to come here and 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.080 help you guys win more. But he still had to 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.240 win people over, you know what I mean, they don't care. Really, 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:35.920 we live in a society so much or we don't. 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:37.319 You know, what have you've done for me lately? It's 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.120 not your your your credentials, don't travel with you no 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.919 more like you gotta shut don't do it for me, right, 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.480 So I mean that's the only thing they're on. So 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.680 I mean, obviously Bron was able to win. But still, 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.600 if I mean, if we're talking about Lebron, he's been 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.279 probably the most criticized athlete in the history of the 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.919 game sport and we could arguably the greatest athlete we've 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.440 ever seen, you know what I mean. So again, it 0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.760 comes with the territory. He's done a great job handling itself. 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:04.160 But it just kind of seems like, you know, they 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:05.960 found a hole to get to Rust, and you would 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:07.760 see it last year where he would let the outside 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.000 know his bothering, which is unfortunate. But we're human. Yeah, 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:11.799 you said early on, like they pay us a bunch 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.680 of money. We're not supposed to feel anything. You still 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.040 can hear you don't hear it? Guess what you got, homeboy? 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.919 And you I work out with his little brother Ray 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:21.799 every morning. Ray is my dog. We work out every 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:23.680 morning over at Boston's place, and that I could see 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.440 when like stuff is heavy on Rust, Ray comes in 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.120 with it like you know, they all you know, and 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.120 we'll talk like bros, you know you're gonna be all right. 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.120 So I try to encourage his brother just because I 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.319 know how much as Rust is going through. So just 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.239 to me as a fan of a fan of the game, 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.359 a fan of the Lakers, a brewing brother, I want 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.239 to see Rust have a great season because again, if 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.239 Ad is healthy, we know where Braun has given us. 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:47.680 If Russ can be Rust arrested helps his team, there's 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.400 no telling what that team could do. Darton Ham was 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.759 brought on his first year coach and first year coach 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.680 you're coaching the Lakers. We got Lebron and you got 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.839 a d and you know what the expectation. There's no 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:04.320 a Pacific Division championship, there is no winning fifty games, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.360 if championship or nothing, that's all that matters for the Lakers. 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:12.600 And this is what's been bestowed upon him, this is 0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:14.960 what is asked of him. How do you think the 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.240 Ham is gonna do? I hope he does well. DHM 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:18.759 is my guy. We talk a lot. Just talked to 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.040 him the other night and night before training camp. But 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.960 he knows when we've talked. I mean, you know, I 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.600 remember my ex wife's mom told me, when you pick 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.160 a mate, you're just picking someone to argue with it 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.000 for the rest of your life. So when you take 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.240 this Laker front seat, you're taking it to get yelled 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:38.359 at period, good or bad. You win, it's not enough, 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:40.319 you know, you make to the playoffs, it's not enough. 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.040 You get to the Western Finds, it's not enough. So 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.359 d Ham, I think understands what he's going into. But 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.040 he's bade his dudes. You know, he's he's learned from 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.239 some of the best minds in the game. And I 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.319 wish him the best you know, I think one thing 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.600 that again I wasn't in that locker room, but it 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:57.600 looked like Frank Bogel lost that locker room. They didn't 0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.399 give a shit what he said. And that's the worst 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.080 thing amongst man. If you don't have to control the 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.360 locker room, you might as well not even coach. And 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.200 I felt like, without being in a locker room from 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:08.080 the outside looking in, that Frank boga lost that locker room. 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.000 I think Dham is coming with a different energy, in 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.319 a different presence, and I feel like he's gonna have 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:14.319 that locker room. But he's still gonna have to prove itself, right, 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:15.520 you know what I mean. You're still gonna have to 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.200 make calls. You're still gonna have to make great in 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.840 game adjustments. You're still gonna have to sub Are you 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:21.680 bringing Russ off the bench or you not? Like there's 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.960 decisions decisions. He's gonna have to make these tough decisions. So, 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:26.960 although you know there's a lot of respect for him now, 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.880 he has to show improve just like the players do. 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.759 So I mean, I wish him the best, but that's 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:34.200 a tough head job. You think the head coach to 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.439 the Lakers, But this is a this is the Laker 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.040 team that's kind of in turmoil right now. So do 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:42.400 you believe that he would be willing to sit Rust, 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.200 bring Russ off the bench, or sit Russ in the 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:46.960 fourth quarter? You think he'll be willing to do that, 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.359 because I don't. I Frank Boga did it and then 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.520 he saw Russ get upset and he put it in 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:53.400 serting him back into the starting lineup. And if a 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:55.719 head coach, you gotta make tough decisions, and everybody's not 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:57.840 gonna like the decisions you make, but you got to 0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:00.319 be willing just say, hey, I believe this is the 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.960 best for the team. Damn what you think feelings right? Well, again, 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:06.960 I'm from the understanding that I hope it doesn't have 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.319 to get to that, because again, it starts off with 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.520 you know, a d being healthy and and and and 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.000 Russ buying into what's best for the team. But if 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.600 it comes down the point guards, man, it comes down 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:18.520 if it comes down to that, he has to you know, 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:20.120 whether he's gonna be able to or not. I think 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.080 he knows that, and that that's not just Russ, that's 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:25.479 you know, I'm going with people always trip who starts 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:27.959 It's not about who starts, is about who finished this game. Yeah. 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.520 So to me, obviously you know bron is gonna be 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.000 a fixture, But to me, everyone else, you gotta show me. 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:34.920 You gotta play the entire game well to show me 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.279 who's gonna get them crunch time minutes, you know. To me, 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:39.200 I feel like d Ham has to go there and 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.360 do it his way because he's gonna take get and 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.239 get ship no matter what. Going there, I'm gonna do 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.160 it my way, and this is gonna be my way. 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:46.960 So I'm going there and handle my business. And I 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:48.359 think that's what he's gonna do. What do they bring 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.520 you on? Like Jared Dudley, you know, may keep the 0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:54.759 locker room tight. I'll be cool with that. Yeah, I 0:55:54.840 --> 0:56:00.920 just well, it's funny. So we were caught on camera 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.080 at Summer League talking about that. Somehow I think you 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.319 got a race, but someone posted that shit about you know, 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:08.880 I need you to come to lock you know, I 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.320 mean we are having that kind of conversation, but again, 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.920 like you do need it. It's people don't understand how 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.600 important chemistry is. And I think the Lakers, you know, 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:18.279 to be able to build a team and win a 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:20.560 championship with which they did in the bubble is the 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.040 hardest thing in sports to do. Chemistry matters a lot 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.640 because so many teams look good on paper until you 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.800 get to those hard moments where you lose two or 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:29.600 three games in a row or someone gets hurt and 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.279 how do you handle adversity. Chemistry solves a lot of 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.680 that shit. So when you don't have chemistry, you really 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:36.520 don't have much again, so they found lightning in the 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:38.239 bottom of that bubble season to be able to not 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.640 have chemistry, have a completely new team and win. But 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.440 that's that's that's the norm. So I'm hoping that these 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.640 guys again have have have had some time under the belt, 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.600 can get more time together as a trio and to 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.239 really see what we have. If if everyone plays, if 0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.000 Braun plays sixty games and eighty plays fifty five to 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.920 sixty games, and Rust play sixty five seventy games and 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.040 they don't do anything, then you know that this is 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.400 not gonna work. But till I see that, or till 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:03.000 the world sees that, you really don't know what this 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.640 trio can do. Well, Russell ond have got one year, 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.720 russ ain't coming back. They're gonna look to move Russ 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:13.000 at the deadline. Say but but I'm i'm I'm a 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:15.200 huge Laker fan, but you're a huge Lebron fan, which 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:17.840 means you're a Laker fan now. But if Russ comes 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.920 out and comes out the gates averaging twenty four nine 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:24.040 and seven and is playing great basketball, and what if 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.360 he's doing that through the All Star Break, Well, if 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:30.040 he does that, they're gonna move him. So regardless he's 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.480 gone in here, they're gonna be able to get more 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:34.800 because I think the thing is because how does he 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.520 get those numbers with a D and Lebron? Because that 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.200 means if he's getting twenty four, Lebron's gonna be twenty eight, 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:43.200 D's gonna be twenty twenty four, twenty five. It's hard 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:45.400 to have believe that you're gonna have three twenty five 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.520 point Weill sly Russ down to twenty a game. What 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.960 if Russe's that twenty nine and nine, how efficient is 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:53.520 he going to be at getting that twenty nine forty 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.919 seven percent from the field and thirty eight from the three. 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:59.280 Now you know, damn well, Russe, they about to shooting no. 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.240 Thirty percent from the three. That's some good hennessy though, 0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:05.640 that's that's better. That's the that's top nine right there. Yeah, 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.520 but let me ask you about Lebron. Are you surprised 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:12.840 that Lebron we this is unprecedented what he's doing at 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:16.680 this stage of his career. How surprised are you because 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:20.479 we've never seen another historically great player played this well 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.480 this late until their career as great as Jordan was. 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.000 Jordan only made it fifteen years now. Yeah, he took 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:27.600 a year and a half off and then he took 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.240 three years off. And Kobe body, he had to run 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:32.640 his body into the ground from training and giving it 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.600 everything he had on the court, and his body just 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:40.440 just it just it just left it incredible, incredible, And 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.520 I wish people took more time to understand what we're 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.120 witnessing instead of critiquing all the time, Oh, he didn't 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:47.680 do this, he didn't do that. The fact that this 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:51.200 man is gonna be thirty eighth this year in year twenty, 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:54.720 but last year nine eight and six thirty seven years 0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:59.520 old year nineteen, and he's averaging probably could have won 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:00.960 the Suporting Out if he had a few more games 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:05.080 on himself. Like to see what he's doing is just unbelievable. 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.080 And with me being a student of the game and 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:09.040 a fan of the game and a fan of him, 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:11.560 I just wish people would appreciate what he's doing more 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.080 because it's it's not gonna happen now much longer. And 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:18.440 I think too often were so caught up in disrespecting 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.640 or or or or or or being negative towards people 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.080 instead of appreciate greatest. And that goes across the board 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.280 for staff and a lot of these people that are 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.560 out here displaying greatness on a daily basis, and people 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:32.760 still find a way to say negative things about him 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:35.720 because if you look at it, Lebron will score fifty 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:37.320 and the first thing they said, well, Correy would have 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:39.680 gave you sixty five, George would have gave you seventy. 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.600 It's never gooda the guy had fifty six against Golden 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:46.280 State and somebody still five. Well, he's still missed five threes. 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.680 He still did this. It's always it's like it's never 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.520 good enough. Do you realize the man for eighteen straight 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.600 seasons because average at least twenty five, he's been in 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.960 his prime since he got here. We've never seen we've 0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.920 never seen someone step in the game, you know, at 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.880 at eighteen years old, and here we are, he'll be 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:07.400 thirty eight and in December, and you've seen nothing but 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:10.720 him getting better and him being great the entire time, 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.880 which is which is unbelievable. I mean, you look at Lebron. 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.240 Lebron is six hundred and seventy eight days out of 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.280 the NBA, six hundred and seventy nine days in the 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.640 NBA half his life has been entertaining us, and we 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:24.800 take it for granted. I feel like you, but you 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.680 did question Lebron's leadership because you said you think he 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.280 should be tougher on his teammates because Kobe A. Jordan 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.120 would have not allowed the team to slip like he 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:35.440 allowed it. Do you think he's too? What is it? 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.280 Because you were around Kobe and we've heard the stories 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:42.720 about Mike with final teammates. That's not who Lebron is. No, 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.640 it was me too, And after I said it, I'm like, damn, 1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:48.760 why did I say that? Not from a standpoint that 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:51.720 I might be wrong, but I don't really know you 1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.600 know what I means? So to me, it seems like 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:56.480 he's just such a cool everyone everyone leads different right, 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.120 and there's no rule book on how to lead, Like 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:01.120 I remember Phil and said, you know, you can't talk 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:03.040 or magic. Johnson said, you can't as a lady. You 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:04.680 can't talk to everyone the same. You have to know 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:12.520 how to push a different buttons. Yeah. Yeah, so I 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:15.960 misspoke on that from a standpoint if I don't really know. Again, 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:19.480 I was guessing, like everyone seems to always do. But 1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:22.800 it just seems like from the outside looking in that 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:26.320 they were okay with the ship they were putting out there, right, 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:31.000 you know, and and and and and that wasn't okay 1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:33.240 from a standpoint of just being a Laker fan, being 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:35.400 a Lebron fan, like you would think, like I wish 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.200 Lebron would get on these guys ask But who's to 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:38.840 say he didn't get on their ass in the locker 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:41.240 room or in practice. So that was a situation where 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.080 I misspoke. But again, I think what makes Lebron great 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:46.640 is he does things his way. There's no rhyme or 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.200 reason on on on leadership or ways to do it 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:52.240 and way not to do it. He's found a way 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:56.160 to do it his entire career, and uh, that's just 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:59.360 what it is. He said his goal now is to 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:03.720 play with a son. I'm assuming Bronnie you got to 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:05.880 coming down there. Yeah, you got you coming down the pipeline. 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:08.240 And they're about to change the rule where you know, 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.160 I don't know if it's going to go in effect 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.280 this year, so it's probably not going to be applicable 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.960 to Bronnie. But he wants to play with with one 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.040 of his sons, or who knows, maybe even both of 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:20.280 his sons. Do you wish you could have played with 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:24.240 your sons if they were older? Yeah, you know, but 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:26.160 I mean who wouldn't want to, you know what I mean? 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:28.400 And if anyone should be allotted, you know, allowed to 1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:31.600 do that, why not him? You know, why not change 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:35.840 the rules and and and allow that to try to happen. 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:37.960 I think again, for his body of working, what he's 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:41.960 been able to give us as fans, the way he's 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:45.480 carried himself on and off the court his entire career, Like, 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:49.520 why not allow that to happen? You do you wish 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:51.160 you to have? I mean, because I mean to have 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.520 that happened, Like Griffy Junior got this opportunity to play 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:55.360 with his dad, So clearly you're gonna have to have 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.800 kids at a fairly young age. Do you wish how 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.520 much how much of your career did your kids witness 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.160 they were young, but they they got Ah. So my 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:04.960 kids were born in two thousand and eight, and they 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:07.840 could obviously, so they started kind of getting it when 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:10.120 I came to the Lakers, so when they were three, 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:13.600 from three years old till I retired when they were nine, 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:16.640 So about five or six years of being in locker 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:18.840 room with Kobe and Powell being in locker room of 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:21.640 christ and Blake being in the locker room with Katie 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:25.080 Steph play, they got to soap the game up. So 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:27.120 I couldn't imagine what it would be like if they 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.439 actually got to get on they were teenagers, right get 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:31.320 on the court and have a chance to play with 1:03:31.360 --> 1:03:34.120 them or play with me. You know, as a father, 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:36.240 you know, your your whole mindset changes as a dad, 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:37.840 and you always just want the best and you want 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:39.520 to give your kids the best experience. So I get 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:41.400 my kids the best experience I could, because obviously they 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.720 were too young. But you know, wouldn't it be a 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:45.680 great thing. You don't see that in basketball, you know, 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:48.640 you've seen it in baseball, but to be able to see, 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.920 you know, arguably the greatest player of all time get 1:03:50.920 --> 1:03:52.320 a chance to play with one of his sons. I 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:56.480 think it would be dope. Dude. What do you expect 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:58.600 from Lebron this year? What do you expect me? Obviously 1:03:58.640 --> 1:04:00.240 with thirty eight and six, but it did and have 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:01.680 a whole lot to show for it. They won with 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.120 thirty three thirty four games. Last year, they didn't win 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.960 a whole lot of games, and if any, the simulations 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:08.560 done having him winning a whole lot of games this 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:12.760 year either. What is your expectation for Lebron and this 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.400 Lakers team? I think for him to pick and choose 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.360 his spots because we know that you know, obviously the 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:20.960 goal is for them is to get to the playoffs 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:25.640 and possibly compete for a title. But more of the same, 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:27.440 you know, I hope it's a it's a it's an 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:30.600 injury free season for him. I hope that you know, 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:33.600 Ad is able to bounce back and have a special 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:35.760 season that we know he's capable of stay away from 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:38.200 the nagging injuries. You know, I hope that Rust comes 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:41.880 out and is able to contribute because I feel like, 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:44.240 you know what what, Cob Cobe rolled the rode the 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.360 ship until it sank and you know, he could have 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.480 jumped ship and went somewhere else and possibly won a 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:50.200 six title, because that's all it was on his mind, 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.840 is being able to sit at the table. Jordan Kobe 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:55.400 ran the ship until it sank. You know, I hope 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:57.640 that Lebron doesn't have to go out that way. I 1:04:57.720 --> 1:04:59.640 hope that, you know, they're still competitive and there's a 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:02.000 chance for them to win. And on paper, they have 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:03.880 the personality, they have the best roster. No, you know, 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:06.240 does it need some tinkering, yes, but what they have 1:05:06.440 --> 1:05:09.920 now is Anthony Davis, Lebron, James and Russell Westbrook and 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:12.360 then not you know, some nice pieces. So how do 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:17.960 you get that to perform at the maximum level while 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:20.040 allowing Lebron to kind of pick and choose his spots 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:22.600 because again, he'll be thirty eighth this year. Man, and 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:25.840 it's it's it's what he's doing is incredible, but he 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.320 is obviously older, so you just have to be careful 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:32.040 with that. LeVar Ball he said, all my boys gonna 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:35.160 play in the NBA. Leangelo just signed with a non 1:05:35.240 --> 1:05:40.680 guaranton contract with the with the Charlotte Harnets. How how 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:43.800 is your your style? Your coaching style because he coached 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:46.760 all of his kids. How's your coach, how's your style 1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:50.480 as a parent as a coach? Similar or different than that? 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:53.480 With LeVar And well, I think before I think there's 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:56.920 a misconsception. People don't think I like him or appreciate 1:05:56.960 --> 1:05:58.760 what he did. And I come on, man, a black 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:00.880 father to get his kids where he even got him 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:03.280 to even have a chance. I commend them for When 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.680 I started critiquing him, it was because I felt like 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:08.440 he let these lights get to him, right, you know 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:10.360 what I mean. He became the star instead of his 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:12.640 sons that were the actual up and coming star. So 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:16.000 that was I never critiqued his fathering or anything like that. 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:17.520 I think, you know, what he did was a hell 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:21.480 of a job. Where are we different? Probably not much. 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:23.160 I mean, I really don't know a ton about him 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:25.080 from what I you know, I see he yells, I 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:28.400 yell uh. He had three very talented boys, and you know, 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:30.120 and now all three of them had a chance to 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:32.760 play in the NBA, which is great. But to me, 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.000 the most important thing was he was there right, And 1:06:35.160 --> 1:06:37.240 to me, that is the most important thing. Like my 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:40.440 whole thing is I'm always like I had my fun 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.680 in the sun. You know, I had my run, and 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.080 my whole thing is is is to play the background 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:46.680 on this journey for my kids. You know, obviously I 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:48.240 have two thirteen year old boys now, and then I 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:49.960 have a three year old who's a monster coming down 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:53.560 the pipeline. So you know, my oh he's a monster, 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:57.400 and I'm good. The a DM, I'm not sure and 1:06:57.480 --> 1:06:59.600 I'm okay with that. But my whole thing is, like 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:02.080 I said, I got my chance to see what these 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.920 lights are like and and and made the most of 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:07.600 my situations. So my whole thing is, you know, hopefully 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:09.480 I can be just liking from a standpoint and I'm 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:11.760 able to help my kids get there, but I would 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.640 just be doing it more from a you know, push 1:07:14.680 --> 1:07:17.520 them in front and put me in the back. Are 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:19.440 you gonna allow to do they want to play football? 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:21.480 Do they want to do anything other than play basketball? 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:23.560 So me and their mom used to go at it 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.640 because I'm a football player. First, I was a better 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:28.400 football player than I was a basketball player, so I 1:07:28.440 --> 1:07:30.960 always wanted the boys to play. And then we started 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:34.160 watching all these you know, because and all that kind 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:36.640 so you know, obviously it scared her and she was 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:39.840 from the understanding and they're not playing tackle, so with 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:41.880 her and I pick and choose my battles that I'm 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:43.640 gonna argue for, and that wasn't one of them. So 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:45.880 but I was also someone that didn't play tackle until 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.280 high school, right. I played flag up through eighth grade. 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:51.040 So you know, the boys were playing before the pandemic 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:54.360 hit and then they never got back into it. But 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:57.800 this is more for a kind of my three year old. 1:07:57.840 --> 1:07:59.760 We'll just have to kind of see when it crosses, 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:01.720 you know, when when when across that bridge, when it 1:08:01.760 --> 1:08:04.760 gets here. Because I love foot football is my favorite sport. 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:08.480 I'm a Sunday ticket fanatic, red Zone. I'm on my 1:08:08.560 --> 1:08:10.680 little love cycle, my joint and my drink and no 1:08:10.760 --> 1:08:13.080 one bothered me. So I love football. I'm a huge 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:15.120 fan of it. So this will probably be more for 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:16.680 my three year old when the time comes and we're 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:19.000 just gonna have to see. What do you think? I mean? 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.479 Trade Young? I as you, he said. Trade Young's dad said, 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:23.240 stop comparing my son to the other guards in the NBA. 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:25.120 At this point, he's an All NBA player, two time 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.679 All start starter, two games from playing in the NBA Finals. 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:30.080 They're more barely more than a handful of guards that 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:34.640 it has his resume, it's levels to this. Uh, what 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:36.519 do you think of trade? He's a small I mean, 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:40.240 first of all, normally small guards, there's only been two 1:08:40.760 --> 1:08:46.080 Steph and Isaiah that can say we lad teams. Yeah 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:49.600 to NBA Championship. Now I don't count magic. Magic is 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:51.840 a guard of magic six nine. Magic was the side 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:55.519 of centers and power forwards. So magic and I think 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.479 Magic is kind of a stand alone. But when you 1:08:57.520 --> 1:09:01.599 talk about small guards six two six three below Iverson 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.639 Obviously with Spectacle, he led him, but he wasn't able 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:06.040 to get past Shack and Kobe. What do you think 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:07.560 of trade? What do you think of trades game? I 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:12.040 love trades game. I think he's a almost a two 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:14.280 K version of what step is doing. You know, obviously 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:16.680 not the accolades or not even can really compare them 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.320 as players, but just similar styles from the ability to 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:23.519 shoot once you pass half court, ball handling, genius, make 1:09:23.600 --> 1:09:26.920 other people better on your team, and he normally has 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.680 a high eight or nine assists the game. Yeah, So 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:34.160 to me, it's just been you know who Atlanta is 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:35.760 able to put around him. You know, if you think 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:37.760 about it. He was traded for Luca, and I think 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:40.960 both teams really feel like you know, there wasn't you 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:42.720 can pick or choose, but I mean it's been a 1:09:42.760 --> 1:09:44.960 solid trade. You look at their numbers, very solid and 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:46.519 keep it real like they both made it to the 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:48.920 Eastern and Western Finals respectively, you know what I mean. 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:52.280 So I love what Trey Young does. I'm really interested 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:54.040 to see if him and Jan Tay can work together 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:57.160 because on paper, again the names look great, but getting 1:09:57.160 --> 1:10:00.240 to see them play will be something different. You know, 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.240 John Collins and they're able to add pieces, but I 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.240 think you know, they're just gonna need to add more 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:07.559 pieces to make that team competitive. I think I really 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:11.240 feel like they they possibly need another star, whether that's 1:10:11.280 --> 1:10:14.280 trading someone and and helping bring that person in. But 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.200 I just don't think they have enough, as heavy as 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.479 the East is to really make that that next jump. 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:23.240 But as far as just being a player, UH, big 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:26.400 fan of Tray his heart, he's built for the moment 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:29.439 that you know, he drives New York people crazy. I 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:31.800 always love that. So I'm a big fan of him 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:36.160 in his movement. Give me your top players under the 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:39.599 age of twenty five. You got Luca, jt Jason Tatum, 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:44.639 John Morant, Trey Mellow, b I, Zion Lucas one okay, 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:56.639 Jason Tatum is two okay, Jaws three Okay. I don't 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:59.280 know where to put Zion because he could be one 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:02.679 if he was healthy, but he hasn't been healthy. So Luca, 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:13.040 Jason Tatum, Jah Trey Lamello, and I would have to 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.080 put Zion six because we just haven't seen enough for 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:17.760 him right. But Zion could very easy to be going 1:11:17.880 --> 1:11:20.080 if if he comes out. I mean, people forget how 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:22.559 quickly and what kind of numbers he was putting up 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:26.360 as a young player, breaking field goal percentage records left 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:28.120 and right. In to me, he doesn't really even know 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.760 how to play NBA basketball. He's doing all that off 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:34.479 playing athleticism and strength. So once he figures out this game, 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.519 if he can stay healthy, Zion is gonna be a 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:40.960 problem build a franchise. I'm gonna give you Luca, Jannis 1:11:41.080 --> 1:11:52.160 or Jason. I'm gonna say Yannis because he can do 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:54.920 it on both sides of the ball. Are you surprised 1:11:54.960 --> 1:11:57.000 how good Luke is because I look, I mean when 1:11:57.000 --> 1:11:59.320 you look at it, he ain't got no business whatsoever 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:04.080 that body doing what he does reads ever, he's a gamer. 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:05.920 He's especially he's a unicorn, you know. I mean he's 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.040 gonna go down with all due respect to Dirk and 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.080 Drowsing and some of these other guys. Uh if not. 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:15.840 You know, a keen form greatest foreign born player in 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.519 the history of the game. And I think that, you know, 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.599 he was playing against grown man at a young age. 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:22.559 You know, I think today it's crazy because I coach 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:24.880 a you these parents are holding their kids back. We 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:28.600 played a fifteen year old seventh grader this summer, like 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:30.680 I'm as a sophomore at fifteen, you know what I mean. 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:33.240 So people always are trying to protect their kids, and 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:37.200 do they. But I say all that to say that 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:40.120 that Lucas parents threw him in the fire early. You know, 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:42.599 he's playing against men that are smoking cigarettes at halftime 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.000 and like twelve or thirteen years old. So he's been 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.960 in the wars, in the battles. He knows how to 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:49.960 play against people. So when he got to the NBA, 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:51.800 there was nothing new to him. You know, to me, 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:55.360 I think he was the most NBA ready offensive player 1:12:55.400 --> 1:13:01.360 we've ever seen. When Steph I said if Steph win 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:04.880 the title. He's a top ten player. He has four 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.680 he has four rings, a finals, MVP, two MVPs, one 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:12.040 of them unanimous. How would that resume? How do you 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:16.000 keep him out? I'm I don't have no rebuttal he's 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:18.479 a top ten player. He's definitely a top ten player, 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:20.560 and I think he has room to climb, you know 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.640 what I mean, whether he wins more or not. I 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:27.320 don't think we'll ever see another Steph Curry. The ability 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:29.640 and and and if you think about it, you know, 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.360 there's very few people that have changed the game during 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:35.960 the course of their career. But who has changed it 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:38.160 more than Steff I understand what kareem. There was no 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:42.120 Duncan because this isn't that. But again, me coaching AU 1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:45.840 kids now and seeing that kids put kids put their 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:47.840 shoes on and start shooting from the sideline or half 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:49.519 court like they don't even go in the paint and 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.280 get warm. Now, and that's the Steph Curry effect. And 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:55.599 I've never seen anyone change the game from the grass 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:58.120 roots to the to the top. I mean, you know, 1:13:58.200 --> 1:13:59.640 it's you know the old added you know, when I 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:01.879 first came in the league, it was inside out basketball. 1:14:02.080 --> 1:14:04.360 You live by the three, You're gonna die by the three, 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.680 and Stephen and Clay and the Warriors completely changed that. 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:10.320 So I have so much love and admiration for Steph 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:12.679 and always you know, competing against him, and to getting 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:15.280 a chance to play with them and see his work 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:17.519 ethic and really see he's just a really good like. 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:19.240 I don't see how you can't like him. He's a 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:21.360 really You might like him because he keeps busting your ass, 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:25.519 but outside they've been a great person, hard worker, and 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:28.080 one of the greatest players we've ever seen. You went 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:32.519 to Draymond wedding, all the guys showed up. What what 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:35.000 is Draymond? Because I think Draymond is the heartbeat of 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:37.080 that team. Obviously he's not their best player. We know 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:39.599 Steph is their best player. Clay might be the second 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:42.320 best player. Hopefully he rounds back and become that two 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:44.479 way player that he once was prior to that knee injury. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:47.200 I think a year removed from those serious injuries that 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.519 he had in mckenley's tear ACL tear, he'll be even better. 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:53.519 What does Draymond do for the Warrior? He's the hard 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:57.120 and soul of that organization of that city. And I 1:14:57.240 --> 1:14:59.080 knew it from the outside looking in, but once I 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.519 got there, it's it's you can clearly see it. I mean, 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:05.040 this team, again, he's not the best player on the team, 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:09.360 but this team wins no championships without Draymond Green. And 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:11.880 that's not a far fetched that's not a hot take. 1:15:11.960 --> 1:15:13.599 That's just facts. And I think if you ask Stephan 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:15.400 Clay that they would tell you the same thing. He 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:20.599 does so many things, whether it be offensively getting guys 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:23.639 the ball in their right spots and getting guys organized 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:26.559 like a quarterback out there, or being a six six 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:29.320 if you're lucky on a good day, defensive player of 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:31.559 the year that can cover for everyone else's mistakes. I mean, 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:34.200 and then just his energy and and and you know, 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:36.400 he walks that fine line and sometimes he crosses it, 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:39.200 but that what makes him dray Bond. So I think 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.640 he takes a lot of heat because you look at 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:43.560 the stat sheet and it's not going to tell the 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:45.360 whole story, you know. So when he goes in the 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:47.360 Hall of Fame, people are gonna be talking twenty twenty 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:50.040 five years from now, that motherfucker average eight points and 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:54.280 eight and eight assists like, right, you know what I mean. 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:56.800 But at the same time, you know it's four he's 1:15:56.840 --> 1:16:00.679 a winner. Yes, it's it's four championships. It's God's All Stars, 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.479 it's an Olympic goal. That's a defensive of money, it's 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:05.760 a defensive play of the Year, and it's a chance 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:09.160 to Really he gave a lot of people, like how 1:16:09.280 --> 1:16:12.200 Steph gave smaller guards an opportunity. He gave a you know, 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:14.519 a lot of Swiss army knife an opportunity to even 1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:17.160 get a look in the NBA now because you don't 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:19.679 have to be able to you know, shoot like Staff 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.320 or jump like Lebron to to to play. I mean, 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.839 this guy is a really intelligent one of the smartest 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:28.120 people in general, but probably one of the highest basketball 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.560 queues I've ever got a chance to be around. So 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.200 this guy thinks the game, sleeps the game, and is 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:37.479 one the heartbeat of that team. It's also from Kevin Durant. 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:40.960 We know he is an immensely talented players seven foot talk, 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:44.720 can shoot mid range, shoot the three, great free throw percentage. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:50.280 But but the book, it's Happy Birthday today too, Happy 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:56.080 Birthday broke every birthday, Katie h. But no rings without 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:59.720 staff and there's no way you can get around it. 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.640 You can't. You can't get around it. You can't. And 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:06.160 step one this ring right here, with step one, this 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:09.920 ring means more than the two that he won with 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:11.960 k D. Yeah, no question, because you're byself or not 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.240 by excuse me, not by myself. But he did it 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.880 on his own gut final MVP. My question you before 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:20.880 I answer, what Katie is to Steph have two rings 1:17:20.960 --> 1:17:22.920 or four rings? If Katie never goes to Golden State. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:25.439 I believe there has two. I do not believe they're 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:28.519 gonna be And they knew that. The way Carrie and 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:31.240 Lebron had just tracked them down from three one, they 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:33.880 had gotten confidence. They're not beating them, right, They're never 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:36.800 gonna beat them again. And they knew that. Yeah, there 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:40.800 you go, okay, u k D one of the most 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:45.839 efficient players we've ever seen in the game. Another unicorn, 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:48.519 you know, a six to eleven guy that can handle 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:54.400 the ball like a guard, shoot like a guard. But 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:57.000 like you said, I think he will get his respect 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.760 when he if he's able to get that ring, you 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:03.519 know what I mean. And people criticize, you know, oh 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:05.360 you lost to them and went and join them. I'm 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:07.600 all for player empowerment. Like if you want to go 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:10.240 somewhere and then you're gonna be happy there, go play there. 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.040 I don't knock anyone on that, But again, I think 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.600 the criticism is like you won with Steph, you know, 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:19.920 can you win by yourself? And he's not even by itself. 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:22.479 I mean, I can't speak to if it bothers him. 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:24.360 But if enough people are saying anything and you feel 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:26.080 like it's not true, it's gonna bother you. Yeah, you 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:28.760 know what I mean. So I can't speak with people 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:31.200 on social media. Something bothered him. Yeah, But but see, 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:35.479 I like I like that too because again, like Kevin, 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:37.559 Kevin Durant just cussed me out, like how many people 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:38.880 are you gonna if you're a regular person, how many 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:40.720 people you're telling that to? You're telling everybody? You know 1:18:40.760 --> 1:18:42.320 what I mean? So people, why is he could? Why 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:44.479 does he interact? Or why? Because he wants to? He 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:46.280 has a lot of free time on his hands. He's 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:47.760 a good basket, you know, he's got time to do it. 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:50.920 So I don't knock that, but I think he has 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:53.400 to win, I think to get the respect he deserves, 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:59.080 you know, I mean he's got two rings v dominating 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:04.559 finals MVPs. You know so, I yeah, Like I said, 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:07.400 I think the only people think, the only thing people 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:10.080 question or want to see is, you know, can't he 1:19:10.160 --> 1:19:12.719 do it without staff? You talked about some of lebron 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:14.960 leadership skills, and I think that's one of the things 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:17.800 that come into KD is its leadership skills. He's made 1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:20.080 it abundantly clear he just wants to I don't want 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:22.720 the leadership. I don't want the responsibility of being a leader. 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:25.920 But I think he has to bear that because when 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:28.560 you go when you go to Brooklyn, you're trying to 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:31.640 establish a culture, and so you need to be the 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:33.840 boys that says, Okay, guys, we need to do this, 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.080 We need to do that. It's just not good enough 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:40.559 to let your play speak for itself. That's a tough 1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:42.640 one because we both know the best player is not 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:45.360 always the leader. No, and that's that's not just basketball, 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:47.720 that's across the board. But again, when you're trying to 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:50.919 establish something in the new place, your your voice outside 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:53.960 of your play does have to speak, and I think 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:55.680 that's what that team has been lacking. You know what 1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:57.559 I mean, you can't all of a sudden just become 1:19:57.600 --> 1:19:59.479 a leader, right, you know what I mean, Like that's 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:02.280 either in you or it isn't in you. So I mean, 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:04.080 it's no knock on him, you know, Like I said, 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:05.799 he wants to come out here. Who've ben play basketball? 1:20:05.840 --> 1:20:09.280 So it like him being the raw ra yelling type, 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:11.240 that's not necessarily him. He's going to speak his mind 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:13.360 when when it needs to be spoken. But you know, 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:15.400 I think when if people are looking for him to lead, 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.920 and that's not necessarily a quality that he wants or has. 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:22.120 You know, I think he does enough other things to 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.040 obviously get the stamp of approval. So to me, who 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:27.080 steps up in as that leader. Is it Steve Nash? 1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:31.880 Is it Kyrie? Committed Kyrie? Is it someone else lead? 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:35.320 If you can, you can't leave when people don't know 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:37.080 if you're gonna show up to play or not. Again, 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:39.040 I think like like hard, and I think Kyrie is 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:40.920 going to have a monster season two because you know, 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:42.840 I've been critical of him, you know, because I really 1:20:42.960 --> 1:20:45.760 felt like, obviously you're supposed to put yourself first, but 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:47.400 we're also in the team sport. Yeah, you know what 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:50.280 I mean. And to think that, you know, keV left 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:54.000 Golden State to come fuck with you because he felt 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.919 like you too, and we all do you remember the excitement? 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:58.920 There weren't too many people saying, oh, this team is 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:02.479 not gonna be good, like we all thought that man Katie, Kyrie, 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.240 oh man, they just got James too. This is arguably 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:07.280 the greatest trio, Like what is this going to happen? 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:09.519 So I think a lot of you know, and I'm 1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:11.000 never going to knock a man on you know that 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:13.679 that that COVID situation was a monster. And then whether 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:18.519 a lot of people, yeah, I mean to each their 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.880 own as far as whether you want to get get 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:22.880 backs or not. But I just think that you know, 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:26.000 along his road, in his path, he forgot that he 1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:29.840 was an integral part of a team, that that that 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:34.559 he was the driving force behind Kevin coming to Brooklyn. 1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:37.040 And I say this just from a stance and I 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.040 just want to see because I know how good he is. 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:43.640 The world knows how talented Kyrie Irving is, we know 1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:45.680 how talented Kevin Durant is, and I just want to 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.080 see them hitting on all cylinders. I think from a 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:52.080 fan's perspective, are you surprised that Katie Askport trade in 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:54.519 the manner in which he asked because it became public 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:59.680 go that was that was bold. I think if he 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:01.360 would have just asked for one, it might have worked. 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:05.160 He can't ask for both KD. He can't ask for 1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:07.080 the coach energy and he would It's just I get 1:22:07.080 --> 1:22:08.680 that motherfucker at it. They might have did it. But 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:17.000 am I surprised, Yeah, because nowhere, Yeah, No, you know, 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:19.960 I just think there's there's just a lot of a 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.439 lot of There's just a lot of stuff that goes 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.080 on behind the scenes and organizations that we just have 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:27.680 no idea whether it's you know, some sneakiness or some 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:29.639 backdoor and some other stuff. Like there's just so much 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.200 stuff we don't know that could have prompted that or 1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:35.240 just him just tired of the BS. But I think 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.360 no matter where Kevin Durant plays, there's always going to 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.320 be a circus around him because of what's happened in 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.439 the past and just how good he is. So, you know, 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:45.479 he asked for a trade. You know, New Jersey stood 1:22:45.520 --> 1:22:47.000 on their own and said like, we're not just gonna 1:22:47.040 --> 1:22:48.720 give you away. And I think he I think he 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:49.960 said the other day, it's like I know they're not 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:53.160 just Kevin Durant, so you know they tried to do it. 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:55.760 I think what happened with that is if the Rudy 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:59.160 Gobert trade messed up the whole pop I don't know, 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:01.400 I don't know who did that trade. If you can 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:03.760 get swaps in four first round picks for Rudy Gobert, 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:05.400 I mean that makes me think as an organization, I 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:07.599 want eight to ten first round picks that went because 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.639 they're not even in the same But yeah, but Brooklyn 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.880 said the team like just because just because they made 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:15.960 that hardway, we're not doing that. Yeah we're not. Yeah, 1:23:15.960 --> 1:23:17.680 we're not doing that dumbness. Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:19.880 So I think, you know, with all due respect, because 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.040 I'm I like Rudy Gobert, you know, defensive Player of Year. 1:23:22.080 --> 1:23:23.560 I think he's gonna help Minnesota. But I think that 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:26.479 Rudy Gobert trade messed up a lot of movement in 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:28.000 the NBA this ship because I think there would have 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.679 been a lot more movement if that kings Ransom wasn't 1:23:30.680 --> 1:23:33.519 paid for him. But what about the possibility they say, 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:36.360 hold on, wait a minute, now, Kevin Durant was in 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:41.599 Golden State. Ideal culture. You're not gonna win anymore than 1:23:41.680 --> 1:23:44.280 what he won there, and he didn't. He wasn't. He 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.000 went somewhere else. Okay, he's in Brooklyn with his homeboyd 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:50.519 best friend, and he wasn't happy there. So what's to say. 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:53.000 We give up a Jason Tatum, we give up a 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.640 Jalen Brown, we give up two first round pigs. And 1:23:55.720 --> 1:23:57.640 a year later he come does say hey, I need 1:23:57.720 --> 1:23:59.720 to move now. We don't gave up a twenty five 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:01.439 or two he sex year old, two first round pick 1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:03.560 and Kevin and Red wots to move again. Ain't no 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:07.160 tell him you just you really just don't know, Shannon, 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.280 You don't know. You know what I mean. You gotta 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:12.880 hope to build a surrounding around that he's comfortable in 1:24:13.040 --> 1:24:14.960 and then that that he can go out and drive it. 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:18.720 That they gave him everythings Brooklyn bread that Yeah, yeah, 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:20.240 I'm not I'm not saying they didn't. You know what 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.439 I'm saying. And it's still he still wanted to leave you, 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:23.760 you know what I mean? Like to me, there's no 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:25.519 rhyme or reason. The one thing I just know about 1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:28.280 KD is despite what he says, that what he wants 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:29.720 to do every time he steps on the court, you 1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:30.960 know what he's gonna give you. Yeah, you know what 1:24:31.000 --> 1:24:32.599 I mean. And that's the one thing that I'm always 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:34.719 gonna respect about him. You could say, oh, he fights 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:36.760 on Twitter, or he wants to be traitor, or he 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.120 can't do this or he can't do that. Every time 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:40.960 he steps on the floor, he's given it his all 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:46.360 and I gotta respect that. James Harden. Are you surprised 1:24:46.360 --> 1:24:48.240 that he went back at the price that he went 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:50.639 back at because he obviously he could have got more money. 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.080 But James Harden was not the James Harden that last year. 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:55.560 I don't know what happened. He said he lost a 1:24:55.680 --> 1:24:58.360 hundred pounds. I think he was just joking, but he 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:01.559 looked like he lost the weight. He lost it. He's thirty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:04.000 he might have lost some weight. But another player. Again, 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:07.400 I mean, I think that he's on a It's funny 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:11.160 too because it's it's to me, it's Kyrie, Russ and James. 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:14.519 I think all are going to have big seasons. And 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:17.160 I think that James, you know, there was always so 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:18.920 much to make you know, during his career while he 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:21.640 was killing that you know what he was doing off 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:23.320 the court what he was doing. We're always talking about 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:24.560 what he's doing off the court, but to me, it 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:26.960 never mattered because on the court he was killing. You know, 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:30.439 but one two time a little baby off, like I said, 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:35.200 I'm doing the run. Yeah exactly so. But but again, 1:25:35.320 --> 1:25:37.759 once the play is not up here and it drops 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:39.840 a little bit, then they're gonna start questioning what he's 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.080 always been doing, you know what I mean. So to me, 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:45.640 I think he heard the noise. He recommitted hisself and 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:48.040 he's still a great I mean, you say what he wanted, 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:49.920 but it was he twenty and ten last year. He 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:52.800 was still a twenty and ten guy. So I think 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:56.040 a recommitted James is going to be scary body in shape, 1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:59.920 mind and shape, and even if he's not giving you 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:03.240 thirty to thirty five. And by the way, they change 1:26:03.280 --> 1:26:05.880 the rule because of James Harden realize that, you know, 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:09.360 they that all that shit that he invented, and how 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:12.800 to you know what I mean, he he they change 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.639 the rules because of he had mastered That's how good 1:26:15.680 --> 1:26:18.160 he had got. So I think James is going to 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:21.040 have a really big year and I respect him for 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:24.400 for for you know, taking that contract cut to to 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:27.600 try to build a championship situation because he knew, you know, 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:29.639 as you get older, you just start putting different things 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:31.720 in priority. And he knew that they needed to add 1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:33.920 some shooting and then add some toughness. So him taking 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.200 that less money allow them to fill out the roster. 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.479 And now they have one of the deepest rosters in 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:41.960 the league. And I don't think they're getting enough consideration for, 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.760 you know, a real championship contender because I feel like, 1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:47.200 you know, if he's sitting on all cylinders and Bead 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:50.320 has been incredible the last handful of years, they've been 1:26:50.320 --> 1:26:52.559 able to fill out that roster. They stay healthy. Yeah, 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.439 that's the key. Health is the key. So again I 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:57.360 think that if this team can stay healthy with the 1:26:57.439 --> 1:27:00.600 recommitted James Harden, tell me a team this better than that. 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:02.680 Give me your top five players an NBA right now. 1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:06.920 Top five damn? I mean this is gonna go viral too. Yep, 1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:17.519 an order just five of them? Go order? Fuck? Well, 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:19.719 I'm happy. I'm my first one. Number one is Jannie. 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:34.240 I'm taking Yannie, Janis KD Steph Ebid. I'm gonna take 1:27:34.280 --> 1:27:38.960 heat for this. Last pick, Am I missing. Oh, shoot 1:27:39.280 --> 1:27:47.120 me back up, I forgot. Yeah, hold on Jannis k 1:27:47.280 --> 1:27:54.120 D Steph, Lebron and Ebide and Lebron has only slid 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:57.360 down that age just because he's older, not his body 1:27:57.400 --> 1:28:00.920 of work. Still the best player in the world, pol yo, 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:03.040 excuse me, one of the greatest players to ever played 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:06.200 the game. But yeah, that's hard. I leave. I leave 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:08.560 Luca off. I'm leaving the twue time, I'm leaving the 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:11.880 two time MVP off, the last back. I'm leaving the 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:14.960 mbat the odds on favor, Luca is odds on favor 1:28:15.040 --> 1:28:17.760 this year. But I mean, Yannis is incredible, honest is 1:28:17.760 --> 1:28:20.280 the one superstar you see Shannon that every single year 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:24.519 he comes back better on a different aspect. And that's 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:27.479 the thing that I said about being Simmons. That's upsetting 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:29.880 because I saw how Yanny shot the ball when he 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:32.000 got in the NBA, how he shoots it now right. 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:34.960 You see John Morant, you see the improvement that he's made. 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:37.599 You see the improvement loads of ball. I don't care 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:39.519 what you do. I don't care. I can take I 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:42.120 can start something to date and if you give me 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:44.519 sick heres, I might not master it. But I'll be 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:46.519 better than what I'm started. And I don't even think 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:49.000 I'm keep her. I don't even think he's a bad shooter. 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:52.040 I think it's mentally. He's afraid to miss, He's afraid 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:53.880 to shoot an airball in the big moment, He's afraid 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.080 to hit the backboard on the jumper. Like. I think 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:58.360 it's more that because, like I said, I've seen him 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:00.240 work out, and I've seen him play pick up games 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:02.679 and you'd be like, oh shit, this is in your bag, 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:09.559 you know so. But yeah, Yannis k d Steph Lebron 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:17.800 and indeed what was Katie was upset? Is the two 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:22.840 k ratings six. Who do you think right now the 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:30.040 best player in the world right now? I mean, to me, 1:29:30.120 --> 1:29:32.760 it's between Katie and Jannis. And the only reason why 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:36.439 I give Jannis the edge is because of the defensive 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:38.200 side of the game. I mean, if you look at 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.880 Katie's efficiency and how amazing is on the offensive end, 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:42.680 Janna is still still putting up He may not be 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:44.720 as efficient, but he's still putting up monster numbers on 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:47.600 the offensive end. But then also he's a defensive monstitute. 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:49.760 So Katie is someone that I think his defense gets 1:29:49.800 --> 1:29:52.240 overlooked because he is out there blocking shots and garden people. 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.120 I just think Jannis is a better defender, so I 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:58.400 have to give I have to give Jannis that nod. 1:29:58.439 --> 1:30:03.240 And Yannis is younger too. Right. You mentioned earlier about 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:05.639 the situation that happened with your sister. You got into 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:08.479 an alternation. The KKK showed up to your school. Showed up. 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:09.960 I don't know, did he show up to your house 1:30:10.080 --> 1:30:12.240 or just to school. We moved, We moved, Yeah that 1:30:12.400 --> 1:30:14.360 there was a green light, so we had to bounce. Okay, 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.519 what did that situation? What did it teach you? What 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.240 did it do to you? It showed me, although I'm 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:25.000 very proud to be African, American and Italian, that the 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:27.599 world looked at me as a black man. Like at seventeen, 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:29.960 I realized, because what are you going, I'm Italian and 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:35.200 black at that moment, like nah, they forgot that Italian part. 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:38.120 You're a nigga, Like yeah, like yeah, yeah, they look 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:40.040 at you as a nigger. That's how they look at you. 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:42.040 And that's what it taught me. It's just like, man, 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:45.160 I'm you know, I'm very proud of my heritage, of 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:47.519 my upbringing, but it showed me that the outside world 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:50.400 looked at me as a black person. I'm looking at 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:53.439 your story. You stayed all four years that the UCLA, 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:55.560 you got drafted the second round, you go to the 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:57.880 d League, played in the ABA with Denis Robin, the 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:01.000 Long Beach jam Well did this Robin like you gotta 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.040 crazy this Robbin story. I didn't get too much time 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.920 with him. I wish I had more time because literally, 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:06.639 like he came in two weeks later I got called 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:08.080 up to the Clippers. I wish we got with it, 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:10.720 got time. But I tell you, he used to come 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:15.160 with the whole entourage, barefooted, with his bulldog, and and 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:18.280 and just it was just a dope experience because you 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:21.400 gotta think, this is, you know, early two thousand, so 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.680 he's just coming off of, you know, a great run 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:27.680 and he's trying to get back. So just to be 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:29.600 around him for a little bit and chop it up 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:31.400 with him. It was like literally a week and a half, 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:33.040 two weeks before I got a chance to leave. But 1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:35.960 I don't really have no crazy robbing the stories. We 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:39.560 talked about going out, but we never got to. You 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:42.200 mentioned football is your favorite. What's your favorite sports still 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:44.400 is it's your favorite sport that you love to watch. 1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:46.559 What position did you play? And do you think if 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:50.000 you say, you know what, the way I devoted my time, 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.840 my energy, my effort to basketball, if you'd have devoted 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:54.240 that to football, you believe you could have made it 1:31:54.240 --> 1:31:56.719 to the NFL. So I never liked to disrespect because 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.000 it's you know, it's it's it's one in a million 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:03.360 to make these professional ranks. And I have so much 1:32:03.400 --> 1:32:06.760 respect for football. But I honestly feel, like you know, 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:09.880 at six seven, I ran a four three nine. I 1:32:09.960 --> 1:32:11.920 had a thirty nine inch vert and I can really 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:13.960 catch the football like I was a football player first, 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:18.320 like no one could stop me. Like my senior year, 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:21.720 I had it started off as a turf toe, but 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:23.320 it turned into a broken toe. But I had like 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:26.559 fifty two catches and twenty eight time. Like every other 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:28.040 time I caught the ball, I scored. And it wasn't 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:30.479 just deep routes. I was going across the middle stops. 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:33.120 I was running whatever route was needed to ran. I 1:32:33.200 --> 1:32:35.679 was ran. So I was just I think a little 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.479 bit before my time, outside of like you know, obviously 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.400 Harold Carmichael with the Eagles and him being six seven, 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:43.120 but there was no six seven, six to eight guys 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:45.920 at the time playing that, and I just felt that 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:49.880 I would have more longevity if I played basketball. I 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.519 was able to make basketball, but to me, basketball was 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.880 the harder route for me because I was a better 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:58.240 football player, right, Yeah, And you know there's more football, 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:00.840 they're more football players. They're fifty forty six fifty three 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:02.759 players on the team as opposed to twelve to fifty. 1:33:02.920 --> 1:33:04.680 But then also, you know, Shannon, there was a big 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:08.519 like there was a big kind of I don't know 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:10.080 what the word is, but there was a bunch at 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:11.519 a time where there was a bunch of guys that 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:14.120 were playing college basketball, couldn't go to the league, that 1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:17.200 were jumping into the NFL. Yeah, you mean Gates, Jimmy Graham. 1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:20.840 There's a handful of guys of these big athletic basketball 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:24.479 players both. But he knew like he was a football player. 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:27.599 Some of these guys, some of these guys were literally 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:29.680 jumping off the basketball court and finding space on the 1:33:29.720 --> 1:33:32.240 football field. But I was really a football player first. 1:33:32.280 --> 1:33:33.760 So that's why I said, So you could have been 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:35.400 a tight end, you could have put on like twenty thirty, 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:37.439 been a tight end because jim Jimmy is like six 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:39.880 seven and nine, could have could have again, just it 1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:43.040 was just a little early, and you know, basketball just 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:46.439 seemed like the way to go. I'm looking at you. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:48.880 You You you a partner a lot of stuff hop 1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:53.520 riotsha app, using using drivers based off interest, making documentaries, 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:58.720 all the Cannabish Swish founding athletes versus cancer. What are 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:01.960 some of your most What is Matt Barnes most proud 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:05.880 of now? Being a father? Hands down, I think being 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:08.240 a father is the greatest what do you want to 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:12.599 call a job opportunity? Greatest thing that I've ever done 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:16.040 is being a father. It's what I take the most 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:19.639 pride in. But I just think, you know, really Shannon 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:23.600 my way to just Dug my way and hart my 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:25.800 way through the NBA, and I mean second round pick 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.080 that bounced around, played on a handful of teams. But 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:30.280 if you look at every stop I made, I was 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:31.920 either a starter at the first and second guy coming 1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:34.240 off the bench. So I was always a contributor in 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:36.120 the NBA. So I think just to be able to 1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:38.760 have the career I had in the NBA, the longevity 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:40.960 I had, but then to be able to flip it 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:43.240 post career, you know what I mean. Normally I would, 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:44.760 like I said earlier, I was a role player. Normally 1:34:44.880 --> 1:34:47.120 role players fade off into ot security. You know. For 1:34:47.240 --> 1:34:49.320 me to to to be sitting here with you right now, 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:52.799 five years removed, with my name being bigger and stronger 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:59.640 than it's ever been TV makes you crazy, you know 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:01.760 what I mean. But just to even have the opportunity again, 1:35:01.840 --> 1:35:05.040 like there's so many stars or former stars that want 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:06.519 to have these seats that you and I have that 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:08.479 they're doing. Everybody can't do it, but they're not. They're 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:10.280 not cut out the likelihood. But what you can do 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:12.080 is that you can talk on camera. Just because you 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:14.360 play great doesn't mean you'll be great on camera, right, 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:16.760 And that's what I tell people. Everybody like, oh man, 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:18.720 but when that red dot go on different? Can you 1:35:18.800 --> 1:35:21.479 hold them out front? You can you carry on a conversation? 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:23.519 Can you explain it to the late person at home 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:25.840 what they're trying to do, what they're what's going on? 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:29.639 And everybody can't do that, can't And and like I said, 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:32.360 so I just think my run through the league and 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:36.080 and to be able to have success after basketball. So 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:39.840 I would say being a father, and then just kind 1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:42.880 of the path I've built for myself because I'm more 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:46.240 common than a Steph Curry, you know that, or Lebron James, 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:48.400 Like you know, I was a blue collar, hard working 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:50.840 role player. So if I can show these guys, whether 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:52.840 you make it the league or not, like if Matt 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:54.640 could do like, why cannot Like, That's what I want 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:57.120 people to think, right, So I'm hoping I'm showing people 1:35:57.160 --> 1:35:59.519 that too. You played on nine teams in fourteen years. 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:03.360 If you construct construct the starting lineup with your former teammates, 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:16.040 woo whoo woo, point guard, I'm gonna have to go with. 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.040 So you gotta think I gotta let's go go viral 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:22.920 you elsa? People are I think I played with? I 1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:24.439 didn't get a chance to really play in Philly with 1:36:24.560 --> 1:36:27.320 Alan Iverson was my point guard. Ye, Steve Nash was 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.800 my point guard. Ye. Steph Curry was my point Yeah, 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:33.320 Chris Paul is my point A healthy Baron Davis was 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:35.960 my point guard. So that's five right there. But so 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:41.280 we're gonna start at the point position. It's gonna start 1:36:41.320 --> 1:36:43.599 at the point position. The only reason why I'm taking 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:48.599 CP over step is because I only played a half 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:52.320 of season with Steff, So I'm taking CP as my point. 1:36:52.479 --> 1:37:02.160 I'm taking Kobe as my two. Okay, I'm taking taking 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:12.200 Grant Hill as my three. Okay, I'm taking Chris Webber 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:16.080 as my four and Shock as my five. Okay, man, 1:37:16.120 --> 1:37:19.320 I'm sorry, Steph, Dwight, oh I fort Yeah, see, I 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:23.720 don't care. Dwight and I played with Kate k KD. 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:27.519 But I'm saying I don't count them because I only 1:37:27.520 --> 1:37:28.720 I didn't get to play with him that like, and 1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:31.040 I didn't get to play with Katie at all. Yeah, 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:33.240 but I didn't. So the situation was I came in 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:36.160 when Katie got hurt, and the first game Katie came back, 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:38.000 I nearly broke my ankle. So I didn't really get 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:39.479 a chance to play with k D because I was 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:40.960 out pretty much the rest of the year. Like, by 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:42.680 the time I felt healthy was the Western Finals and 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:45.720 we were eight no already. So so I didn't get 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:48.000 a chance to play with Dre and and and and 1:37:48.200 --> 1:37:51.080 and Steph and Clay and Katie long enough to have 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:56.040 them qualify for this list. You played Kobe was eight 1:37:57.680 --> 1:37:59.519 played against Kobe. That was eight you played with him 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:01.640 when it's two. If you had to choose which one 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:08.200 was the best, I think the numbers are identical. I 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:12.639 would pick twenty four just because I just think off 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:14.880 the court, he was more open as a person and 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:17.360 had been through so much and and we just got 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:19.680 such a unique chance to bond. You gotta think we 1:38:19.840 --> 1:38:23.320 went from nearly fighting to him calling me from a 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:27.200 number I didn't even have saved to telling me, asked 1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:28.360 me if I want to be a Laker, Like I 1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:32.120 was literally about to go to Miami. So I'm talking hello, Hello, 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:39.880 you rejected the goal? Yeah, yeah, I'm been like, I'm 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:41.840 a Laker fan. Bro. So I was in So I 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.679 was supposed to re up in Orlando, and stan Vangunni 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:47.760 was acting funny. So I was literally talking to pat 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:49.519 Riley d Wade and they're talking about like that, well 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:51.439 we're about to build something over here. You know, there's 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:54.400 words of him coming, and there's words of Bosh coming, 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:57.720 and it's right up the freeway for me. And I'm 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:01.760 literally having conversation with pat I feel pat Riley. And 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:03.599 one day I get a phone call. I'm still out 1:39:03.600 --> 1:39:05.760 in Orlando, chilling, and I get a call from a 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:07.320 number I don't know, and I never picked up my 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:09.000 phone and I just happened to pick up the phone 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:11.839 and it was him. It's like it's cold. I'm like, bullshit, 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:14.800 who is this. He's like like, nah, it's me. And 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:16.560 we kind of start going back and forth, and he 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:18.439 asked me what I'm doing, and I literally tell him 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:19.920 like I'm kind of up in there. Man, I'm talking 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:22.160 to Miami right now, and I fuck, Miami, you want 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:24.960 to be a Laker? I'm like, hell yeah. Like four 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:28.439 days later, I was a Laker. You see the new 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:33.160 craze Now Matt is these celebrity boxing batches. Baby, you 1:39:33.240 --> 1:39:35.920 see Nate man. Nate told me he's gonna represent for 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:41.240 the coach Matt and dude got floorboarded. We saw who 1:39:41.280 --> 1:39:44.240 else swagging? He got knocked at the ring man. They 1:39:44.280 --> 1:39:47.280 got us looking bad out here. Well, my whole thing 1:39:47.400 --> 1:39:49.760 is like even when and I even talked to Nate, 1:39:49.880 --> 1:39:52.760 like I box to stay in shape, but I know 1:39:52.920 --> 1:39:55.280 how serious boxing is, and I think a lot of 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:58.880 these guys people don't want the toughest workout. Go just 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:01.080 go outside and just try to throw punches for a minute. 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:02.479 Because if you think, I mean, we've all been in 1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:05.120 our little skirmish fights, fights asked like twenty to forty 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.960 five seconds. These are three minute rounds with people that 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:11.120 and to me, I think where athletes underestimated. You saw 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:14.800 Adrian Peterson just get knocked out, but athletes underestimated would 1:40:14.920 --> 1:40:18.120 got knocked out. He fall liberty different talify the UFC. 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:22.040 But how how do you react when your cage gets rattled? 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:23.840 You know, you hit me with a straight ride or 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:25.680 uppercut or something. How am I going to react? And 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.479 how am I going to protect myself after I've just 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:30.160 been rocked? And I don't think enough athletes have been 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:33.439 rocked to understand that that's a serious part of the game. 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:35.519 I think. I mean, anyone can look good hitting pads 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:39.720 are doing all these one two three one two make 1:40:39.760 --> 1:40:42.599 it look so easy. They make it look so easy, 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:45.120 you know what I mean. But that that that's sparring 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:48.080 and getting hit it is so important. It's so it's 1:40:48.120 --> 1:40:50.840 the biggest bar man. Like I said, you can look 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:52.800 like you could look like Ali on them gloves, but 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:55.840 you ain't never been good. How do you react when 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:59.120 you get hit? You guys, yeah they got us like 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.680 a bad out there though you you do somebody care 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:03.439 for you. They say, Matt, we got two million for you, 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:10.160 we make it five. Yeah, but hold on, hold on, 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:13.200 who you who you gonna be in the celebrity match 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:15.559 with that? That's that's the point that, Yeah, I don't 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:17.240 really say I don't really have no beefs out there 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:19.320 of anyone I want to like me put in the ring, 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:20.680 Like I don't you know what I mean, Like I 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:22.680 don't really have no smoke with nobody. So I mean, 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:25.360 for five million, outside of Mike Tyson or any like 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:30.160 real fires anyway, if you really box, I'm not gonna 1:41:30.200 --> 1:41:32.040 box you, But for five million, I'll box someone who's 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:34.519 not a boxer or a MMA five or somebody that's 1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:36.599 on your level. Okay, you know you do this for fun. 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:38.400 I do this for fun. Yeah, we're getting that. We 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:41.439 go with five five round five two minute rounds. Yeah, 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:43.320 I'm gonna have to stop smoking for a little while. 1:41:43.720 --> 1:41:45.200 You're gonna stop a lot of things for a little 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:46.880 I need my lungs to be right. But now that's 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:48.720 the one. Yeah that that boxing is no joke. Man, 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:51.519 I like my hats offer always to these m these 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:53.720 boxing because it's a different world. Man, it's that's they 1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:57.040 practice their entire life to be there. And sometimes athletes 1:41:57.120 --> 1:41:59.000 think because we succeeded on one thing, we can jump 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:00.680 in at the one That ring of the cage is 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:03.439 one thing. And the booth, the ring the cage and 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:05.200 the rat booth, that's something we just can't jump in 1:42:05.280 --> 1:42:08.800 because we had success in a certain space. Go out 1:42:08.800 --> 1:42:10.360 there and jaw, go out there and run for like 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:12.600 ten minutes and then try to throw some punches for 1:42:12.640 --> 1:42:16.759 three raps. Man, Come on, man, who is your favorite 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:25.439 football team? Niners? Favorite player in football? Yep, h right now? 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:31.720 My favorite player is who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Man? 1:42:32.040 --> 1:42:34.720 I just go my all time favorite players Jared Ris 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:38.080 and Deon Sanders. Okay, who you got winning Super Bowl 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:44.920 this year? Man? Tom ain't looking the same? Is not 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:52.360 looking the same. I want to believe that. I think 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:53.920 my Homes thought to me, I think my Homes is 1:42:54.000 --> 1:42:55.880 the best quarterback in the NFL, and I think they'll 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.439 find a way to to be there. So I either 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:03.160 Buffalo or Kansas City, Okay. And I want to talk 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:05.280 about these four hundred fourteen man, how do you get 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:07.920 away four and twenty four and twenty thousand dollars? Oh? Man? 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:11.760 Because I can't shut up fines. Fine, if you had 1:43:11.800 --> 1:43:15.600 that money right now, huh yeah. And another thing, I 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.639 took less money to to to win too. I wish 1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:20.639 I had that money right now too. See, you could 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:23.160 win to Miami. They got no state tax. It's still 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:24.800 to come out here when you have one. They want 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:29.400 two rings. See, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't give that 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:31.360 up for the opportunity that got opportunity to play with 1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:33.640 cold labor cob and and even further play for you, 1:43:33.920 --> 1:43:36.240 play for the Lakers, become brothers and and and and 1:43:36.400 --> 1:43:38.880 and share and and go to his daughter's games, him 1:43:38.920 --> 1:43:41.000 come to my boys games, boys calling him uncle Coble. 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:44.120 I wouldn't change that for money or rings. So bruh, 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:48.600 I appreciate it. Yes, cheers, thanks for having me. And 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:50.280 I didn't mean to call this here earlier. This is 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:55.759 the congratulates. Yeah, this is dope. We got your bottle. 1:43:55.840 --> 1:44:00.679 We still drink that brown over here, Oh yeah we do. Man. 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:05.400 Appreciate it, bro, thanks for having me all my life 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:09.080 and running all my life sacrifice. I hustle Bay the 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:12.559 price I wanna slice, got the broller dice to swap 1:44:12.800 --> 1:44:15.599 all my life. I've been running all my life, all 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:19.639 my life, and running all my life. Sacrifice, hustle Bay, 1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:23.200 the price, Wanna slice, got the broller, dice to sware 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:25.439 all my life. I've been running all my life.