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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room fouled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Roseatal.

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Speaker 1: What is the boys? What is happening? We're taping this

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Speaker 1: show at nine in the morning, and we've already had

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Speaker 1: three breaking news items across the network. On the website

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Speaker 1: ten posts up that time of year. Kevin Patrick just

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Speaker 1: sweat pouring off his brow and his Chicago bunker just

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Speaker 1: like typing away. It is the afternoon in most of

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Speaker 1: the country. Wow. Whatever, Well, the way here, the way

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Speaker 1: our newslim is set up. It's basically us and Connor

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Speaker 1: gets banged with every article of news. I'm miss Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Football League. We gotta we gotta either facilitate l a

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Speaker 1: bring him out, because Patri is one of those like

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Speaker 1: like fun guys to hang out with, because he's very

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Speaker 1: much he's very salt of the earth. He keeps it real.

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Speaker 1: He like he has like a certain way of things,

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Speaker 1: very gruff in his manners. You know, we miss Patra.

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Speaker 1: He's going on. Yeah, exactly. So Kevin Patrick, come on

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Speaker 1: out West has nothing to say. They have secret beef.

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Speaker 1: I think Patrick and always enjoy hanging out with Patrick.

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Speaker 1: We we are brothers and gruff. What is the what's

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Speaker 1: the beef about? I made that up completely. There is

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Speaker 1: no beef, Mark, how is your throat? You requested water

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Speaker 1: behind the guss, you know, a bottle of water, But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna you know, listen, it's it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun. We don't present ourselves as talent, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're just We're just a couple of dudes. Times d

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Speaker 1: got it, saved it, But you needed some water this time?

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Speaker 1: Nothing this time, but maybe next time it will be

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Speaker 1: some waters for you. But get more famous also, that

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Speaker 1: running or whatever it is. So they are producers response

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Speaker 1: it's pleasant. Today's edition of the Around the podcast and

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Speaker 1: you know why, and you know why because we got

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to. Long gone or the days

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Speaker 1: about today? I can't even do it. Flop sweat breaking out,

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Speaker 1: But no, a lot to get to, a lot of news.

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Speaker 1: There are people getting jobs, losing jobs. Um some people

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Speaker 1: you know, getting a lot more money than they used

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Speaker 1: to have a little payday. Not talking about you either, Mark,

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Speaker 1: no bottle of water, no rains anytime soon. Special time

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Speaker 1: for the players, but you know the rest of us too.

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Speaker 1: There are no raises coming. We gotta we gotta get

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Speaker 1: our profile up higher water and money will come. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about some preseason takeaways, a ton of action week three.

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Speaker 1: Of course, most teams play their starters at least the

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Speaker 1: first half a lot. You know, a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: do any anyway, So there's a lot to get to

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Speaker 1: know that you guys did this while I was on

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Speaker 1: quote paternity leave last summer. Uh, the around the NFL

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Speaker 1: Power Poll. But we're gonna be We're gonna stick with it.

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Speaker 1: A little longer this season. I'm gonna keep it going on.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna check in periodically on our power Poll.

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Speaker 1: But this is our preseason power poll one to thirty two,

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Speaker 1: where we all have our own lists and then we

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Speaker 1: Power Poll whose preseason takeaways all coming up? But before that, TD,

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Speaker 1: All right, we start in Washington. H huge hubbub building

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Speaker 1: Robert Griffin the third, status remains up in the air.

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Speaker 1: It's unclear Greg, what's going on with him, What's going

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Speaker 1: Jeff Darlington reports that Griffin will get tested again on Friday. Now,

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Speaker 1: saying Cousins is a world beater, but you can't watch

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Speaker 1: Rex Ryan told his team on Sunday the Tyrod Taylor

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Speaker 1: This is after Tyrod Taylor performed very well again on

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Speaker 1: I think rightfully questioning Rex Ryan for putting EJ. Manuel

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Speaker 1: No one seems to be concerned that this could mess

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Speaker 1: up Jameis Winston's career if he ends up going into

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Speaker 1: a buzz saw this year, and from every indication that

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Speaker 1: seems so far in the preseason, let's not get two

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Speaker 1: worked up. But that could be the case. For what

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Speaker 1: it's worth, I I take what Eli and Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: have said um about their careers, and they think that

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a great quarterback, putting them out

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Speaker 1: there as rookies and getting beaten up, it's not gonna matter.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna affect you long term. You're gonna learn,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna learn things from that experience. They think, if

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Speaker 1: you've have what it takes to get better that plane

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Speaker 1: and having the experience that Eli did, for instance, when

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Speaker 1: he was absolutely terrible. I don't agree with that's what

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Speaker 1: they think. I don't. I don't think everybody's built the

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Speaker 1: same or wired the same. I think I just disagree

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Speaker 1: with that. I think it all comes down to situation

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Speaker 1: and coaching and talent. Obviously. I think if you were

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Speaker 1: scouted and you were correctly picked as the number one quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You should have the traits to go in like the

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Speaker 1: Mannings did and get it done. But we're talking to

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks on the show that need more development and

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Speaker 1: Winston I don't think it's a good experience to go

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Speaker 1: in like Tim Couch did, for instance, a decade and

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Speaker 1: a half ago, to get shredded and wrecked behind a

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Speaker 1: team with lacking line and bad It's an interesting discussion

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Speaker 1: because Bruce arians has said that he swears up and

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Speaker 1: down that Tim Couch would have been one of the

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Speaker 1: all time grades if he wasn't ruined behind that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And if you're behind that offensive line also increases the

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Speaker 1: chance of injury. Tim Couch had a bum shoulder after that.

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Speaker 1: So Winston struggles. Marcus Mariotta again plays very well against

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Speaker 1: the St. Louis Ramsey completed seven of his final eight passes,

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Speaker 1: let a pair of scoring drives, beat some blitzes on

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Speaker 1: a seven play forty three yard touchdown drive before the half,

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Speaker 1: and is a completion percentage guys over through three preseason games. Again,

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Speaker 1: these are vanilla defensive schemes. Let's not get too crazy,

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Speaker 1: but the Titans have to be feeling pretty good right now.

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Speaker 1: They also had three points halfway through the second quarter,

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Speaker 1: or at no points. I don't think they had moved

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Speaker 1: the ball at all, so he started. So I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this Winston Mariota Week one game. As bad

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Speaker 1: as Winston's looked in the preseason, he's been up and down.

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Speaker 1: These are two lousy defenses, so I think these rookie

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks at least get a nice soft landing for Week

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Speaker 1: one where they could both look pretty good. If Mariota

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Speaker 1: is gonna struggle too, but the Titans have to be

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Speaker 1: really impressed with his poise. Uh He's shown in every

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Speaker 1: game so far, and their offensive line looked bad the

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Speaker 1: first week. They put rookie right tackle Potosi I think

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Speaker 1: is his name, and he's been donned the last couple

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Speaker 1: of games. He's been great. They bench Lavitre. This looks

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Speaker 1: like a much better line. I agree he's gonna struggle

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but you have to be impressed with it.

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Speaker 1: He's just been unflappable. Favorite moment of that game for

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Speaker 1: me was after his worst play, which is that he

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Speaker 1: held onto the ball too long and Justin Houston ran

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Speaker 1: them down for a sack when he could have gotten

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball, and Houston did a little celebrating

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Speaker 1: kind of on the top of Marriott, and Mario had

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Speaker 1: just jumped right up and got right in justin Houston's face,

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Speaker 1: which you know, it's you know, you might not be

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Speaker 1: the smartest thing in the world, but it kind of

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Speaker 1: likes this kind of like the fiery side out of him,

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Speaker 1: like one of the best players in the league. He's like,

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Speaker 1: get off of the he was the combine is kind

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Speaker 1: of a ridiculous thing. But there were people writing serious

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Speaker 1: stories and tweets about his body his body language on

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Speaker 1: the field at Lucas LL Stadium, and he just seemed

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Speaker 1: to be not really plugged in, a little laid back

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian dude. That's good. That was exactly what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: We talked about some young guys, talk about an old man,

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Speaker 1: an old geyser, Peyton Manning, who was trying to like

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Speaker 1: fit into a new offense in Denver. It's still a

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Speaker 1: work in progress. He finished uh fourteen of twenty one

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Speaker 1: passing for a hundred and twenty four yards in a

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Speaker 1: pick couldn't get Denver in the end zone against the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners. In the nineteen twelve win. I should mention

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Speaker 1: the final score because it's very important in preseason games. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then afterwards Peyton had this to say, we're still

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Speaker 1: very much figuring out who we are and what we're

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Speaker 1: going to be as far as things we can really

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Speaker 1: hang our hat on, trying to develop an identity. Mark.

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Speaker 1: Are you nervous about hate Manning? Well, it's not just

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Speaker 1: this game. It was the one previous where you get

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Speaker 1: in the past with Manning and the arm has been

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Speaker 1: a problem for a while in terms of the arm strength,

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Speaker 1: but he just was so at home in the offense

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Speaker 1: he played in for years and years to switch it up. Now,

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Speaker 1: I trust Kubiak and I trust Manning to pick it up.

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Speaker 1: I think he's right there working through it. You know

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Speaker 1: what he is physically, there's not a whole lot of different.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't looked better. They said that his arm was better.

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Speaker 1: That's not good. It's his throws and throws even into

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Speaker 1: the flats and stuff. It's like I think you noticed.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed in his last two games a lot more

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Speaker 1: defensive backs and linebackers are getting their hands on the

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Speaker 1: ball knocking it away, which means he's not able to

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Speaker 1: squeeze throws in the tight window. The biggest problem for

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Speaker 1: me is he was sacked three times in four drives.

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Speaker 1: He was not sacked three times in a game all

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Speaker 1: of last season. So I mean that's pretty that's pretty

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Speaker 1: telling that free rushers are coming through. It's a new system,

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Speaker 1: you have new starters, their mathis isn't ready to play it.

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Speaker 1: It's like that that would be the problem for he

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Speaker 1: isn't part of that though, calling protections which is so

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Speaker 1: good at the line and adjusting your offense and maybe

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Speaker 1: if you're in a completely new scheme, some of that's

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Speaker 1: not getting That's part of it. But it's also the

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Speaker 1: older at quarterback gets, the less he's able to avoid pressure.

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Speaker 1: Also struggling the Seahawks offense, who uh, listen again, let's

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Speaker 1: look at too crazy about this, but they're not moving

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Speaker 1: the ball too well. Six drives Saturday only had a

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Speaker 1: hundred thirty seven yards, went three and out three times.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson UH completed less than half his passes. Afterwards,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll said, we're all a bit a little bit

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Speaker 1: frustrated with it. I'm a little bit frustrated with it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not worried about it over the long haul.

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Speaker 1: Neither of you Greg, are you Tom not? This is

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Speaker 1: one preseason story that I don't care about because the

546
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Speaker 1: same offense that they've had, it's Russell Wilson, and they're

547
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Speaker 1: trying to fix things online. I think it's different than

548
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Speaker 1: the man any thing. I don't care about these I

549
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Speaker 1: don't think I want to see in the regular sety.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're showing much of their offense either,

551
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Speaker 1: and they struggled out of the gates though, to be fair,

552
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of seasons. Offensively, they stunk off

553
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Speaker 1: the lines an issue, but it was also an issue

554
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Speaker 1: last year and they went to the Super Bowl. It

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00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: might not be quite as good as last year, so

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Speaker 1: that's an issue. But I still feel like Jimmy Graham's

557
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: going to be a study and well, I think there's

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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of chemistry still building with

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Speaker 1: Graham and Russell. He was targeted five times. He finally

560
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: caught a bigger pass in the second half, but they

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Speaker 1: weren't on the same page. That just takes time. I

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Speaker 1: do wonder if the Max Unger removal to New Orleans

563
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Speaker 1: will affect this team. I think it will because the line,

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Speaker 1: that is one thing. You got new players playing together.

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Speaker 1: The line did not look good. All right. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: look at some personal or individual performances from this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with Navarro Bowman, who it looks like he

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Speaker 1: is a major front runner for comeback player of the year. Uh,

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Speaker 1: coming back from the nasty knee injury suffered in the

570
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Speaker 1: playoffs a couple of years ago. Just dominant against the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to play about ten snaps. He played

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Speaker 1: the entire first half and went nuts a game high

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Speaker 1: nine tackles, two sacks, and then one five place stretch. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This according to Kevin Patrick's just cranking out the stories. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He sacked Pete Manning twice and added two more tackles.

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Speaker 1: Just that domin performed from a guy that hasn't played

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Speaker 1: in over a year. It's the best quarter a quarter

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Speaker 1: and a half of football by any player I think

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Speaker 1: in the preseason. I mean he it was insane every

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Speaker 1: single place in the backfield. I like a guy who

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00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: just you could tell he's a great player that's so

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Speaker 1: fired up that he doesn't care if it's a preseason

583
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: He's going at regular season speed. I'm not happy to

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Speaker 1: see it. I questioned his knee was so torn up

585
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: and he's been missing for eighteen months. I've questioned whether

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00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: he'd be the same player. He looks like it, and

587
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the week before he played three plays and had three tackles,

588
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Speaker 1: almost all of them behind the line of scrimmage against

589
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He looks he looks like the real deal.

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00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you were in Vegas this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I hope you know, I know we're not a way

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. I'm just saying, you mentioned Boman

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Speaker 1: comeback player of the Year. That seems like I'll take

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Speaker 1: Sam Brad that was a good one. What are you

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Speaker 1: talking about Vegas like, Well, I'm just saying I hope,

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Speaker 1: I hope people were there and the options early on

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Speaker 1: before they're just sitting around and hanging out with their

598
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Speaker 1: buddy talking about who might be comeback player of the year.

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Speaker 1: That's what Greg was talking Vegas. Advice out to our

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Speaker 1: listeners are young listeners like for bachelor parties, it's not

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00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: gonna go where you think it's gonna go. Uh, Or

602
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: you're there for a fantasy draft, to not splurge on

603
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the suite because you're not gonna spend a lot of

604
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: time the Splurgs on the cabana. Get the cabana. I got.

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00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: That's some Vegas advice. Advice. I'm an old man who

606
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: knows that, and go somewhere fun. Oh please, Wes, Vegas

607
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: is great. He went once and he went with the

608
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Speaker 1: wrong people. That's what you think the people were great.

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack also dominant. By the way, speaking of linebackers West,

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Speaker 1: you know the Vegas. Come on, baby Vegas. Khalil mackdominant

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00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: for the Raiders again, the second year linebacker. Two sacks, uh,

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00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: just abusing the Arizona offensive line, darting through that defense.

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Speaker 1: This is another guy who we've talked. I think he's

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Speaker 1: making the leap guy, right, I was. I wasn't invited

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Speaker 1: to be a part of that series, so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: really know. But yeah, but uh yeah. But the point is,

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Speaker 1: Khalil mac ready, you have all of my guys next

618
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: year looking good. All right. It wasn't just Kalil Mac.

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Speaker 1: I think Dan Williams is a good addition on this team.

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00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Like the Raiders. Again, we have to kill. It's the preseason,

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Speaker 1: so nothing means anything. But they shut down the run.

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Speaker 1: They were not getting pushed around the way we've seen

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Speaker 1: over and over from this team, and Mac is the

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Speaker 1: real deal. The defense looks like an NFL on paper.

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00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: Now looks like an NFL defense For the first time

626
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: in a while that either side of the ball for

627
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Speaker 1: the Raiders kind of looks like an NFL caliber group.

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Speaker 1: Everybody doing pirouet stew about the Cardinals and their Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl favorite down fifteen three at the half to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Let's calm down about the Raiders. Next time they play

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Speaker 1: against somebody not named Bradley Soul, we'll see how they Well,

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Speaker 1: that's fair enough, alright. Moving on. Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith, oh my god, Chris Culiver has done stupid

634
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: things in his life. He said things on radio shows

635
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't have said. I think he's gotten in

636
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: trouble with It's That's what I thought multiple times. He's

637
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: messed up things, mistake every he got trying to get

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Speaker 1: into a fight with Steve Smith. Uh this weekend went

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Speaker 1: after Smith after this happened. In the of course, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens Redskins game. Linebacker for the Redskins, Keenan Robinson Pile

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Speaker 1: drive camere Aikin in a w W E type throw

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Speaker 1: down led to a big scuffle. Culver and Steve Smith

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Speaker 1: start going at each other. It becomes a glorified you know,

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Speaker 1: pushing match between the two. Both uh Culiver and Smith

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Speaker 1: get ejected. You know, a lot of fun in a

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Speaker 1: preseason game right here. This this had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of everything. Steve Smith bows to the crowd after he

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Speaker 1: gets kicked off. But to me that the most noteworthy

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Speaker 1: aspect of this where the coaches was John Harbor running

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Speaker 1: across the field apparently to get his players out of it.

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Speaker 1: And then Jay Gruden says something to John Harbor and

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Speaker 1: Harbor goes after j Gruden. Then he goes after his

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Speaker 1: own sideline reporter. Later in the game, John Harbor pipe

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Speaker 1: down John Harbor also running across the field like Kirk

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Speaker 1: Gibson in the World Series. There are new rules now

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Speaker 1: about players not involved in the original fight now jumping

657
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Speaker 1: into the fight. They they're going to be penalized and

658
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Speaker 1: find like, I'm wondering if John Harbot gets fine for this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how is it a good look for the

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Speaker 1: NFL for you to go running across the field. And

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Speaker 1: then John was arguing afterwards. Yeah, hey, look it's a

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Speaker 1: snapchat by the way, for people watching the video. Who

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Speaker 1: went to the stands afterwards and got a pose with

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Speaker 1: his son in the in the stands. Yeah, Jay Gruden,

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Speaker 1: when you're a linebacker pile drive someone on a really

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Speaker 1: dirty play, you gotta expect the other coach to be

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Speaker 1: a little peeved at you. That's certainly fair. Not a

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Speaker 1: good weekend for James. Another takeaway, Steve Smith looked like

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Speaker 1: early season last year. Steve. He was incredibly fast and

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Speaker 1: he threatened what damage wound and puncture everyone I think had.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Redskins organization, you definitely don't like the

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Speaker 1: Ravens because they came in and stole a big chunky

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Speaker 1: your regional fan base. How about that? It's true? What's

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Speaker 1: that's money? Whatever? John Harbaugh, you know we watched this

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Speaker 1: before we started recording today. Also, the Ravens that take

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Speaker 1: a lot of pride in their their team broadcast. They

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Speaker 1: have at the production values very high. They have a

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Speaker 1: guy on the sideline that it's his job to interview people.

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Speaker 1: He's just a team employee. He asks John Harbaugh about

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Speaker 1: what happened between Smith, uh and Culiver and Harball kind

681
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Speaker 1: of goes off a little bit on the poor Sideliner Park.

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Speaker 1: But as you say, La Revelle magnificent, not a good thing,

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Speaker 1: not a good La Raville magnify call. That is for

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Speaker 1: those that are new to the show. When somebody doesn't

685
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Speaker 1: have to be sports could be like somebody that you're

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Speaker 1: getting to know, you're at a party, they say something

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Speaker 1: that reveals either let's say, an ignorance of sports when

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Speaker 1: they're pretending to be a real fan, or they say

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Speaker 1: something that really reveals themselves to be an or just

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Speaker 1: you know, something just comes out and sorry, guys behind

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Speaker 1: the glass, and and it's in your mind. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to say anything to him. You just in your

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Speaker 1: head you go magnifico, the great reveal, and you know

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Speaker 1: it all about them. They don't b knew that you

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Speaker 1: figured it out. I see I always thought. And that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much what you're saying. That it meant like here

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Speaker 1: is the little colonel that's giving you a window into

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Speaker 1: what their soul like this this is the true John Harbo.

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Speaker 1: All these other people in this group probably didn't pick

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Speaker 1: it up, or maybe one I know everything I need

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Speaker 1: to know about this, so it always excuse negative for

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Speaker 1: you though. It's never oh well, there's something about this

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Speaker 1: person that it could be good, but in practice it's

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00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: always been yes, bad. This is how people get removed

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Speaker 1: from your Christmas party list. And it's happened. It's happened

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Speaker 1: that that list, that holiday party, it is. The invite

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Speaker 1: is getting increasingly tougher to get onto the list. I

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Speaker 1: don't like inviting people into my house that I don't like. Fair'

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Speaker 1: That's just how I feel. People of fat Yeah, but

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00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: some people like say, oh yeah, let's invite him in

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Speaker 1: and trying to be a nice host. Get out of Wow.

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00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I feel about Twitter. I'm on out. That's why I've

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Speaker 1: been kissing up to damn lately. You've been at the

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Speaker 1: even at the party you're in and what you're in.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get out, but you can get out.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let's talk about the Power poll now, and uh, listen,

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Speaker 1: this is not the Power rankings. Do not please Jesus,

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Speaker 1: do not confuse us with the Power rankings. This isn't

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Speaker 1: a different this is a different entity of NFL media.

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Speaker 1: It's our individual We each uh and we'll do this

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Speaker 1: four times. We're gonna do this preseason, we've already done it.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it at the basically at the poll points

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Speaker 1: after the fourth week, after the eighth week, after the week,

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Speaker 1: and then at the end of the regular Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: So here we go. This is we've broken into tears

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Speaker 1: and we'll start with the elite tier here and then

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Speaker 1: we'll dig into it a little bit where we differ

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Speaker 1: where it gets a little saucy. The power poll. The

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Speaker 1: elite tier Seahawks one, Packers too, Steelers three, Broncos four,

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Speaker 1: Coults five, Eagles six, and Patriots them. So we'll start there.

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Speaker 1: How do we feel about it? Again? This is not

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Speaker 1: this is all of our picks averaged out. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: start mathematician stuff. Start with the Eagles, who are sixth year.

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Speaker 1: We definitely like them as a heavy NFC East favorite.

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Speaker 1: We'll show you where the Cowboys are a little later.

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Speaker 1: I found it interesting, Mark, after the preseason events of

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Speaker 1: the week, you bumped them up a few spots up

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Speaker 1: to number three. Yes, that came after the preseason events.

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Speaker 1: But when I did this poll was when I had

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Speaker 1: slept for about ten minutes and spent or just tell

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Speaker 1: me why you like them best team? Because because when

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Speaker 1: we do this, I find myself initially going block and

743
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Speaker 1: tackle with the teams that have proved a year after year.

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00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: But if there's going to be a jumper in this group,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Philly. I mean, everything that we've seen

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Speaker 1: from them in the choices, they look positive. Did you

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Speaker 1: look at the other people's power polls before changing your

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Speaker 1: power You didn't? Absolutely. I'm just as some of the

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: stuff I saw from the other people made me think

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Speaker 1: that you guys didn't sleep for more than ten minutes. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to all that. I would have put the

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Speaker 1: number three because I think it matters that Sam Bradford

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00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: looked good, because the quarterback is that important, and now

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00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: I feel like they have the quarterback. Well. The interesting

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: thing to me about them, and and really this top

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Speaker 1: seven in general, is there was a huge gap after

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, who are the number seven team, and the

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Speaker 1: next group, which we'll talk about, and that every single

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00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: one of us it's okay, you had him at three,

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Speaker 1: that was the highest you would put them in three,

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Speaker 1: But no one had them below seven. Everyone in the

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Speaker 1: group sees the Eagles as the NFC East champions and

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Speaker 1: sees them as a legit contender, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: that obviously, because I think the defense also has a

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Speaker 1: chance to be better than it was a year ago.

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Speaker 1: To be maybe it's not a top five defense, but

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00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's ten or pretty deep. Only the offense is

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00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: getting talked about. But one thing in game to game

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles, their secondary is playing aggressive. It does

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Speaker 1: not look like the preseason for them. They are going

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Speaker 1: after the ball. I think they're going to be better

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Speaker 1: on defense. Maybe we'll look back at this and you know,

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Speaker 1: rule it is a case of us getting sucked in

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00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: by overtly positive preseason. But how could you not get

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00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: in by this team the way it's playing right now.

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Speaker 1: Best running back duo in the league that I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's Sprawls is great too, It's not even an option.

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Speaker 1: One thing I saw interesting out of this group was West.

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Speaker 1: You have the Colts number two, your number two team

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Speaker 1: in the league that I don't I don't know why

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00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: that's a surprise, and in fact, what they actually they

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00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't have Packers Seahawks in some order as one too.

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Speaker 1: People have this thing about the Coolts where just because

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: they match up so poorly against the Patriots, they can't

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Speaker 1: be a good team. I think it's crazier that the

786
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Steelers are third. How do the Steelers have a better

787
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: defense than the Cools? Well, if that surprises me, and

788
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Speaker 1: I've heard Greg say he thinks the Colts we have

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Speaker 1: the best offense in the league. So if they have

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Speaker 1: the best offense in the league and a better defense

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00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: than the Steelers, why are the Steelers ranked ahead of them? Well,

792
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: it's if you look at the numbers. We honestly all

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: agreed on these teams so much that there isn't much

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00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: difference between the Steelers, Broncos and Colts. I think what

795
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: we showed is that we see them in throw the

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00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Patriots in. Although they were the fourth team, there as

797
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: really the four A f C powers, and that would

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00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: be kind of stunned if any of them didn't make

799
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Speaker 1: the play. It's not like I didn't like the calls.

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Speaker 1: I had them fifth. The difference between them slight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I look at the Steelers and I have no problem.

802
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I put them fifth, And that's easy for me because

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Speaker 1: you've got Big Ben with more talent around them than

804
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: you've ever had. I think the Steelers, of all these teams,

805
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: has and I put them high. I had them third,

806
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: but I think they're the team that could make us

807
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: look the dumbest of all the teams, Like you could

808
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: see things going wrong in a very tough tie. Right,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the second tier. Now, what

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Speaker 1: are we calling this tier? Uh? Greg? Wow, this is

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Speaker 1: a frisky tier. I think I said a tier where

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Speaker 1: friskiness is involved. Right, Okay? That number eight the Lions,

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Speaker 1: nine Ravens, ten Dolphins, eleven Vikings, twelve Cardinals, thirteen Saints,

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Speaker 1: fourteen Bengals, fifteen Chargers, sixteen the Cowboys right at the

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: Dalton line right there, and seventeen the Bills. I interesting

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Speaker 1: that the Vikings and Cardinals to a team of e

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Speaker 1: T N candidates eleven and twelve back to back. And

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Speaker 1: if if you're scoring at home, that would mean that

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Speaker 1: we have the Ravens and Dolphins as our our group

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Speaker 1: a f C wild card picks, And that would mean

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals just got edged out right as the last

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Speaker 1: it would be the Vikings and the Lions. And I

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Speaker 1: think some of west Is stumping for the Lions helped

824
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Speaker 1: sway the room I had, swayed me a little bit,

825
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: helped push them up a little bit. You know who

826
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Speaker 1: had them. The lowest of anyone was Kevin Patrick and

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00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: Connor or I found that the four of us agreed

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Speaker 1: a lot more than Connor and Kevin. They were kind

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Speaker 1: of the ones that were either the highest or the lowest.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is a Lions fan and he's been snake bits

831
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: so many times and that fact never in too hard. Yeah,

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00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: that's wise policy. But I feel like the Lions are

833
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: as just as strong as they were last year. We

834
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Speaker 1: disagreed on the Cardinals really in this room more than

835
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Speaker 1: any team. Uh you guys marking in West. What's this

836
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: side of the room called. We used to have a

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Speaker 1: name for it, for this confrontation corn or confrontation corner,

838
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: something like that. Whatever it is the wrong about the

839
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Speaker 1: Cardinals side of the room. Well, we have underrating the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals in the top ten. We have Bruce Arians on

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Speaker 1: our side. Over the weekend, he said this is the

842
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Speaker 1: strongest roster he's had in Arizona. So he's there every

843
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: day seeing them up close. Coach right before the season starts,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, is he or is he not? A straight shooter?

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Speaker 1: NFC West is I think weaker than it was a

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00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: year ago, and I think Arizona's record could be better,

847
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Speaker 1: and they're not going to lose their quarterback for half

848
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: the season this time. So you guys have them as

849
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Speaker 1: playoff teams. Hansas has them seventeen, so a little worse

850
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: than that. I just I'm starting to feel like they're

851
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a disappointment. And I'm not sold that Carson

852
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: Palmer is going to be that great this year. I'm

853
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: just I'm not totally sold on him, and as things

854
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: have gone along this summer, I've kind of fallen off

855
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: their bandwagon big time. I'm with you. I like the

856
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: Lions and the Vikings that like the Rams better too.

857
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: I like that that division, it's possible the NFC North

858
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: gets three playoff teams. Uh. The other thing that stuck

859
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: out to me here is the Saints. I guess our

860
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: consensus even though they're only thirteen, they're well ahead of

861
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: any other NFC South team. I think I was the

862
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: only one who had a different NFC South champion. We'll

863
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: get to them in a little bit, but you guys

864
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: have the same well we had to the top twelve

865
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: teams are playoff teams, and I think that the Saints

866
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: gotten number twelve consistently because of that dynamic, they would

867
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: have been lower from some of us. Yeah, you can

868
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: roll the dice on that division. But I think to

869
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: me the biggest surprise on this entire list is the

870
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: dismance between the Eagles and the Cowboys. That's true. Only

871
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Connor Or has the Cowboys in the top fourteen teams

872
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: in the entire league. That's pretty crazy. I thought when

873
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: I said last week, I think the Cowboys are going

874
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: to fall off, that there would be more disagreement. No

875
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: one here has them. A lot of disrespect for the

876
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys in this room is a message though, because we've

877
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: been all kind of feeling, or most of us have

878
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: felt that their falls come in this year. And this

879
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: has really all and we all agree that Philly's come

880
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: into bloom right. The Giants have more weapons on offensive,

881
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: could be a dangerous to tough team to deal with.

882
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: The It's can stinct. We know that. But everything went

883
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: right for Dallas last year and they rarely followed that

884
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of a season up well, and if you look

885
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of how all the numbers play out, I mean,

886
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: we the Chargers. I have the Chargers as a playoff team,

887
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: but everyone likes the Charges as a contender. We still

888
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: have the Bills and the Bengals. Those we all see

889
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: as teams. Greg Bills is twelve best team in the NFL.

890
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: I got them twenty first, and everyone else is across

891
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: the map in between. We should note there was no

892
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: team we were more wrong about last year than the Cowboys.

893
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. We should point that out. We

894
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: could be dead wrong about them. Highest la and even

895
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: I had him, I had him under I'm surprised everyone

896
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: likes the Dolphins alright. Next tier, this is the Alex

897
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: Smith here, and that means you are a mediocre team.

898
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: And fittingly, it starts with the Chiefs at eighteen nineteen Falcons,

899
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: twenty Rams, twenty one Jets, twenty two Giants, twenty three Panthers,

900
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: twenty four Texans, Niners, guys drunk on preseason narratives, burying

901
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: my Jets at twenty one, John, come on, Dan has

902
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: the Jets, says why should they be high the tenth

903
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: best team in the league. No one else has defend

904
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: your Jets. I will defend my hero and the reason

905
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: why is because I thought that the Jets have one

906
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the a f C now

907
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: and I still believe despite all the distractions that they

908
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: have a really nice running game and improved passing game,

909
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: and I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is even better than Geno Smith,

910
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: So I'm happy about them. Now we're moving away from

911
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the controversy with the jaw and we can start getting

912
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: back to this just being a regular team. I thought

913
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: the Jets had a chance to win nine or ten

914
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: games and getting getting to the playoffs. I thought that

915
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: in June, and I still feel that way at the

916
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: end of August. So basically, wherever you ran wild card teams,

917
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: you have them tent double the number, and that's where

918
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: they probably will be with the rest of the ros.

919
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't see a huge difference in fairness to Dan

920
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: even though I have them too. It's not like I

921
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins are that much better or the buildings

922
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: do that much better. I do. Well, how do you

923
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: bend your mind around the fact that Ryan Fitzpatrick never

924
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: won than six games in the season, and not just him,

925
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: he usually gets pitched. We we always float with this,

926
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: whether wins and losses are on the quarterback or not.

927
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: This is not a playoff quarterback. I think that this

928
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: team could win nine to ten games, and I think

929
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: they could get a six seed in the playoffs. If

930
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: they're the team, they're going to have to probably win

931
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: ten or eleven. Yeah, I think they could win ten games. Yeah,

932
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: one of the of course, so whatever. One of the

933
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: takeaways here, I think there's a lot of there's not

934
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: a lot of bad teams this year. I don't think

935
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: on paper going into I think the NFC is really deep,

936
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: especially eight or nine really good teams in the NFC.

937
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: I mean, a team like the Giants, no one has

938
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: as a real contender. We have them twenty three. We

939
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: basically are saying that Tom Coughlin, Eli Manning, you know,

940
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Reese Era is going to end one way or another

941
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: at the end of this year, because if they're the

942
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: twenty third best team in the league, it's over. Well.

943
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: I like their offense, but how can you get past

944
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: how poorly their defense not only looks on paper but

945
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: in pre season and is injured. And no team in

946
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: this group got a higher rating then the Rams at

947
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: number nine from Rank They also have a number thirty

948
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: from Patra. Yeah that's pretty that's that's got to be

949
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: the biggest difference, right, Well, yeah, I think it is.

950
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: I boxed myself in the corner with the Rams, I'm

951
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: sticking by it. I just have a feeling that they'll

952
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: have a good season. They're obviously a boom er bust team.

953
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: It's like it wouldn't shock anyone if they were seven

954
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: and nine. But I do think a team is going

955
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: to be able to rise up in that division is

956
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: not as good as it used to be, and I

957
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: think that defense is gonna be great. Their owners got

958
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: a foot out the door, their coach would love to

959
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: be in l A. I don't like that whole factor.

960
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: That's a fair point that there are teams down here

961
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: like the Panthers and the Rams, and those are talented teams.

962
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: They could they could make some noise. Also, i'd have

963
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: the Chiefs higher after watching their third preseason game. I

964
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: think they're a little underrated here. I I know what

965
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: Greg's talking about getting boxed in the corner with this

966
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: podcast sometimes because I was going back we were working

967
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: on an assignment for this week where we were making

968
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: our predictions for awards, and I noted I went back

969
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: to like a Coach of the Year Rod Chudzinski, and

970
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I even wrote I wrote at the time, like I'm

971
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: championing Brandon Weed and I was like, you know what,

972
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna think Weeden is gonna be good and

973
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna win on in ten games, give Chad the trophy.

974
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens. I didn't believe when I wrote it,

975
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: but I had to do it. You gotta be more

976
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: like Scester. Don't worry about what you said previously. Just

977
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, go totally up. You were making fun of

978
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: people that like Chip Kelly too much. You believe the win.

979
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: You have to be flexible. Our beliefs change. I feel

980
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: bad for the former team of a TL teams still

981
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: close to my heart that I do root for and

982
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: I will continue to root for. The Carolina Panthers just

983
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: buried third place in the lousy NFCS. Exploding a c

984
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: L will do that. Let's look at finally, the final tier.

985
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: There's always next year tier. We can have done a

986
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: little bit better with that. They changed the nine was

987
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: the rest. The rest is not much better. We could

988
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: have done something better comedically about there's always next tier. Um, okay,

989
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: that's another option. Number twenty six, the Titans, twenty seven,

990
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, the Raiders moving on up, Oakland Raiders twenty nine,

991
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Bears thirty the Brownies, thirty one, the Bucks, and no

992
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: surprise here number thirty two the Washington Redskins. Uh, congratulations

993
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: on winning that quarterback job. Kirk Cousins. Well, but it's

994
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: interesting they're the number thirty two team. But I mean

995
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: they have they do have some good things about them.

996
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: They do have Andre Roberts, Pierre Garsone, Deshan Jackson, Alfred Morris,

997
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Reid, and Matt Jones. That's a nice little six

998
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: pack of skill position town. I wouldn't be that crazy, Cousins.

999
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: It was going to be their quarterback. How to rank

1000
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: them quite a bit higher than really how much higher?

1001
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Probably mid twenty Didn't you assume Cousins would start a

1002
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: bunch of games? Though? I wrote this list right before

1003
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: all the RG three stuff came out. I have the

1004
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Bears is the worst team in the league. These are

1005
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I think really the only truly bad teams in the

1006
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: league are the Bears and the Bucks. Personally that's me,

1007
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: But you guys think the Redskins are. It's like when

1008
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: you thought the RG three Redskins were the worst team

1009
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: in the league, not the Kirk Cousins Redskins. This group, though,

1010
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of It's like, listen, we don't

1011
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: we can't stand what we've heard for the last three months,

1012
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: or you've not shown it to us in a decade plus,

1013
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: so you're gonna gets stuck down here. I don't love

1014
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: our I know it's not all wins and losses the

1015
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: team of a t N but I don't love the

1016
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Titans tied for seven, that's true, that's what we're gonna champ.

1017
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: But in the end, we we had a hard time

1018
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: actually saying they were going to be good, even though

1019
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: we're excited. That's a pretty big bump from being non existent.

1020
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: That's true. They now have a number. We only did

1021
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: thirty one teams last year. By the way, Jags fans

1022
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: I got. I got them at twenty one, the highest

1023
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: of any team. I just feel like they're going to

1024
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: be that team that's not very good but wins seven

1025
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: games just because you know it's their turn. So there's

1026
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: the around the NFL power poll again, not the power rankings.

1027
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: I cannot make that more clear. So yeah, we'll check

1028
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: back into the Raiders. Moving on up to I think

1029
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: we actually see some signs of life six and ten maybe,

1030
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: which I'm not even jogging down that would be progress exactly.

1031
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: By the way, are We're gonna have our season preview,

1032
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: team by team. It's going up on the site. We'll

1033
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: also put up this power poll this week a little later.

1034
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna really start rolling into the true

1035
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: regular season preview. We're gonna talk about the awards, as

1036
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: I alluded to earlier what Greg just said. We're gonna

1037
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: check in on our training camp, preseason sandwich wagers and all.

1038
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: That's a lot more fun coming up around the NFL podcast.

1039
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: We got another show on Wednesday, uh, so be sure

1040
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: to tune in for that. That's it. This is Dan

1041
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: Hansis signing off for The Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the

1042
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: Boss TV, and all his friends behind the Glass until Wednesday.