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Speaker 1: That's a touchdown, and the Cardinals continued to pour it on.

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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifty, comes back

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Speaker 1: to them left at the party. He's lost at the thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's at the twenty ten touchdown. Cardinals rise up and

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Speaker 1: make a play. Hit one hit. Oh my goodness, he

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Speaker 1: got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney. Come off the ball

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Speaker 1: with malice. Here's Paul Calvc. Well, I'm thinking I could

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Speaker 1: start this edition of Cardinals Underground by just kindly, not

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Speaker 1: so gently, maybe reminding Darren Irmann and Klotogard. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: two thy twenty. It's not gonna be easy. Nobody said

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be easy. In fact, that's our hashtag catchphrase,

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Speaker 1: Nothing's easy twenty twenty. Or in honor of the now

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Speaker 1: still waiting for an eruption. Or maybe it's the mean

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Speaker 1: streets that are going on At times, you know these

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Speaker 1: opponents are going to be running with a devil, but

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Speaker 1: at some point the Cardinals offense is going to be unchained.

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Speaker 1: I don't know any of those, Darren. Can you relate

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Speaker 1: Kyle's looking at me baffled because of his age demographic.

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Speaker 1: I think I think you're following me, Darren Urban I

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Speaker 1: am following you though. That's uh. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much you had that plane or how much that was

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Speaker 1: off the top of your head, Paul, but it is

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Speaker 1: a sad, sad day as we record this that Eddie

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Speaker 1: big deal. And I don't think you're wrong all those

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Speaker 1: Did you ever own a boombox? Kyle? That's gonna be

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Speaker 1: and you had a message right now for this Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's the main culprit here in looking

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Speaker 1: it's fixable. There's a reason the Cardinals have gone to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback together for the first time. We all

429
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Speaker 1: figured that a year later, same coaching, quarterback, same offensive scheme,

430
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the players coming back. We all

431
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Speaker 1: thought that they figured their identity out in weeks ten

432
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Speaker 1: through sixteen last year ten through seventeen, and they were

433
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Speaker 1: just gonna keep going with that, and hey, let's add

434
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Speaker 1: in DeAndre Hopkins, superstar wide receiver, and it's all gonna

435
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Speaker 1: be good because we just have more talent than we

436
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: did last year and things were going so well at

437
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Speaker 1: the end of last season. I was like a broken

438
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Speaker 1: record this offseason that they were number seven and offensive

439
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: efficiency down the stretch, and I think they're gonna build

440
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: on that, and so far I've been completely wrong. It

441
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Speaker 1: has them been close to how efficient they were last year.

442
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, maybe I don't know why the

443
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Speaker 1: running game isn't working as well, and I think that's

444
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Speaker 1: a part of it where defenses don't have to worry

445
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: about it as much. But I don't know. I think

446
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: Kyler has also just had two bad games. I think,

447
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: going back to his ceiling, I still think it's very high.

448
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: I think he can be a top seven, top eight

449
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: quarterback by the end of the season. I think with

450
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: what he's doing with his legs is amazing, and I

451
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: think his arm can be better. So I'm I'm not

452
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: ready to close the door on Kyler Murray having a

453
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 1: really good season. It's like you're going to take that exam.

454
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Are you better off with a multiple choice format or

455
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: true false? Because right now twenty twenty is multiple choice,

456
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: it's ABC, D and E, whereas last year is true false.

457
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: You either had the run game or you had the

458
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Speaker 1: tight ends. Christian Kirk was hurt you had rookie wide receivers.

459
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: At one point, Cliff Kings Murray looked around. He said, well,

460
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: only that I can make here is mac and cheese.

461
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: I got two ingredients. I got a running back and

462
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Speaker 1: a running game, and I have tight ends, basically, And

463
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going with. And that was your identity

464
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Speaker 1: by default. You had no choice. Now you have so

465
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Speaker 1: many options, and maybe you're trying to feed too many mouths.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't get the sense that's necessarily

467
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Speaker 1: the case. You know there's any sort of diva receivers,

468
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Speaker 1: give me the damn ball. There's but there are so

469
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Speaker 1: many options for Kyler that maybe it's hindering the game

470
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: planning and or the play calling. I'm not sure we're

471
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: searching for answers here at this point. All I know

472
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: is if you're going into New York and you're going

473
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Speaker 1: against the Jets defense, it has seven roughing the passer penalties,

474
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Speaker 1: and it's coming off a game where they had six

475
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: personal fouls in that game, you'd be well served. I

476
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Speaker 1: would think if you want to go against Greg Williams,

477
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Speaker 1: to put down the road greader and run the ball

478
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Speaker 1: a good thirty times. Ideally, protect your quarterback, run the ball,

479
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Speaker 1: and don't let them play to the echo of the whistle.

480
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: If you're going in against the Jets, control the ball

481
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Speaker 1: and get out of there with a healthy quarterback. Especially

482
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Speaker 1: on that turf, you're just you're just having flashbacks to

483
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Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine Saints playoff game, Paul and

484
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: feeling bad for Kurt Warner, which we all did quite

485
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Speaker 1: frankly that day. But I don't think that's an unfair

486
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Speaker 1: thing to wonder about Greg Williams. But I do think

487
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Speaker 1: that if you're gonna be a road greater, it's got

488
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Speaker 1: to be with in the context of you feel like

489
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Speaker 1: that's the best way to win this game, or that's

490
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Speaker 1: the direction you want to go. I would hate to

491
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Speaker 1: see them decide to start running the ball because you're afraid.

492
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Speaker 1: You're fraid Quinnon Williams is going to pay in kake

493
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and leave him all over the turf. So

494
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Speaker 1: I think I think Kyler has shown that he can

495
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Speaker 1: take care of himself in a lot of ways. I

496
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: don't know what direction they're gonna do go in offensively.

497
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Speaker 1: I think the idea of having too many options is

498
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: an interesting one. You know. I don't think Larry Fitzgerald

499
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Speaker 1: is begging for the ball necessarily himself. But I can

500
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Speaker 1: tell you that the outside pressure of the world, I mean,

501
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Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, and I don't care

502
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Speaker 1: if your Cliff Kingsbury or Kyler Murray, and you're at

503
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Speaker 1: the top of your profession, you're going to hear the

504
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: noise of you know, you've got Larry Fitzgerald, why are

505
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: you not giving them the ball now? If they've just

506
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: kind of figured like he's physically to the point where

507
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Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of sense and they don't

508
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Speaker 1: want to say that that's a whole another thing. But

509
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case at this point,

510
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: And if the rest of the passing game was clicking

511
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: and Larry Fitzgerald was getting one or two catches for

512
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Speaker 1: five yards, that's the discussion you can have. But with

513
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: the way it's going right now, it's it's hard to

514
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Speaker 1: sit here and say, you know more, Larry Fitzgerald might

515
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: help a little bit more because here's a guy who

516
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. Again, I don't I don't know

517
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: what the best step is, but I do know they

518
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Speaker 1: need to find it quickly and do it against the

519
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: Jets because you're going to have more difficult games coming quickly.

520
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: And we do know they certainly did not win the

521
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. In Carolina.

522
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Quinnon Williams. Last we saw Derek Brown, He's

523
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Speaker 1: busting through the A gap and Kyler's got a big

524
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Speaker 1: bandage on his chin, you know. And then you had

525
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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight yards rushing by Carolina yet

526
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Speaker 1: another game more than five yards per carry. That's three

527
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Speaker 1: out of four that the Cardinals run defense is given

528
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Speaker 1: a five yards of carry is a can cern Kyle

529
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage right now? Yeah, I mean I think so,

530
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: especially offensively. And what I was thinking when you guys

531
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: are talking about the identity thing is maybe, I mean,

532
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: we talk about the air raid all the time and

533
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: these horizontal passes, and doesn't make more sense for your

534
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: identity to try to be like the Ravens where you

535
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: have this outstanding running game with this electric quarterback and

536
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: this running back that's pretty talented, and then completely build

537
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: it off that because the Ravens passing game is good

538
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: because the running game is excellent, and they're obviously a

539
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: run first team that goes play action and then also

540
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: has efficiency in the passing game, and the Cardinals are

541
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: passed first when maybe your running game is the better

542
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: one that you should be doing like they did last year.

543
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Cliff Kingsbury will look at that. But

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Baltimore's offensive line is very very good at run blocking,

545
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: and so far the Cardinals have been average or below

546
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Speaker 1: average at run blocking, So they'd have to prove that

547
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: where they can get those running backs going again. If

548
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: it was last year and you're getting five yards a

549
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: pop from Kenyan Drake and Chase Edmonds. It's an easy answer,

550
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: and the formula is there for you. But right now,

551
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: when you're averaging three point eight yards per carry with

552
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: your running backs, it's not as easy to just say, hey,

553
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: we want to run the ball when it's not super efficient. Kyle,

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: right back at your does Kenyan Drake look like a

555
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: different running back this year? We know the numbers are different,

556
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: just the eyeball test, what does he look like to

557
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: you in this year's version iteration of this offense? He

558
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: hasn't been in space a bunch, so I hesitate to

559
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: say that he's that much different. But he did have

560
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: a certain level explosive of explosiveness last season, especially early on,

561
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and that could have been also being completely healthy and

562
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: not playing much in Miami and just having the juice.

563
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: This season, he was still coming off that injury which

564
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: he missed a lot of camp with, so it's possible

565
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: that that lingered early on. And then also, like we

566
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: talked about not having a lot of whole holes, I mean,

567
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: there's been some times when he got around the corner

568
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: and looked like he did last year. So I don't

569
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: think physically there's anything, you know, glaring with him, but

570
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: certainly he hasn't been as productive, and I think the

571
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: offensive line is responsible for some of that, but also

572
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Kenyon is too, because last year it was you know,

573
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Speaker 1: what you would hear from the old line was, man,

574
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: how refreshing it is to have that running back who

575
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: can just put his foot in the ground, get vertigal,

576
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: just go north, doesn't go down in first contact. And

577
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: we've seen flashes that. Of course, last we saw Kenyan Drake,

578
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: you could hear him exhale throughout the entire empty stadium

579
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: because he just got a helmet to the solar plexus

580
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: in the chest area. And I mean, what is the

581
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: latest he is expected to play this week? And it

582
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: really was a matter of an acute matter of him

583
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: just getting the wind knocked out of him. Is that

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00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: Is that our understanding on Kenyan Drake. Well, we never

585
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: got an official explanation of what it was, but he

586
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: should be fine, and so I don't think that's going

587
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: to be an issue. It doesn't seem like that's going

588
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: to be an issue. Happened to pass him just prior

589
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: to doing this recording, and he looked fine as he

590
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: was walking around so I think he's gonna be available

591
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: and perfectly find it. And I'll I don't know. I

592
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: other than the Carolina game, where I there were very

593
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: few Cardinals where I'm thinking myself, Okay, that guy had

594
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: a decent game. I think Kenyan Drake's looked more or

595
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: less fine. I mean, the plays that he's not getting

596
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: up the field. I feel like there's other issues there

597
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: beyond him. I don't personally think there's that there's a

598
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Speaker 1: big difference between Kenyan Drake, how he's performing, how he

599
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: looks individually compared to last year. And I throw that

600
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: out there because I noticed I'm not I'm not doing

601
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: the mail bag like you, Darren, but a little bit

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: that I that I hear, you know, from from the

603
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Speaker 1: Red Sea. I think that's a question that's being posed.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if there's any question going into

605
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: New York, we all know what Chase Edmonds looked like

606
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: in that stadium a year ago, going home the Fordham

607
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: guy and Kyle. I wouldn't hesitate to put Chase Edmonds

608
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Speaker 1: in this week against the Jets. That's what I was

609
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: going to say. I think it's you know, we can

610
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: debate the Kenyan Drake Thing and it's hard to know

611
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: exactly if he looks the same as last year, but

612
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: to me, Chase Edmonds is a guy who has looked

613
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: fantastic all season and it doesn't really show it in

614
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: the statistics. I mean, his yards per carry is pedestrian.

615
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: But he's made some impressive moves and he gets up

616
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: to speed quickly, and he's he's got a burst that

617
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: is pretty impressive. And you know, he's gotten probably thirty

618
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: five percent of the snaps at running back and if

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Speaker 1: he continues to play like this, he might force himself

620
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: onto the field even more. And we were on the

621
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: air and I was saying, well, the big question not

622
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: to get all metaphysical right now and the Cardinals after

623
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: four games, would be who are you? Are you the

624
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: team that won the first two, are you the team

625
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: to play these last two? What exactly what's your identity

626
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, etc. And then and

627
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: then there's a question where are you Chandler Jones and

628
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: Pat pe and does anybody have a theory as did this?

629
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Speaker 1: Is there a reason to be earned? Is this a

630
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: byproduct of other teams game plans where they're even throwing

631
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: a lot of attention at Chandler and or not testing

632
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: pat P as much, although it looked like he was

633
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: trailing a few receivers who had made receptions and the

634
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: interception that that pat P made was he playing safety?

635
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Do we ever get verification on that, because that's intriguing.

636
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: If you asked me hashtag Charles Woodson, I don't know. Yeah,

637
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, Kyle, go ahead. It was it was a

638
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: disguised defense. I mean, he lined up at corner and

639
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: then ran to safety. It was it was meant to

640
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: confuse Teddy Bridgewater. It wasn't. He didn't line up at

641
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: safety and play that. I think. I think if that happens,

642
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: you'll hear Patrick Peterson complaining about that pretty early in

643
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the week. If that's part of the plan, I don't

644
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: disagree with you. It's funny people have said, oh, well,

645
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: do you know what about Patrick playing safety? While I

646
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, with all due respect to you know, the

647
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams of the world or even Buddha Baker, I

648
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: think the first thing Patrick would think about at this

649
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: point about playing safety is I'm not moving until I

650
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: get a brand new contract being paid like a cornerback,

651
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: so you know, and that's a whole other thing. We'll

652
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: have to see how that plays out as we go forward,

653
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't Patrick Patrick is going to be

654
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys who sees himself as a cornerback

655
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a very hard discussion to

656
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: have him move to safety at any point in his career,

657
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: whether it's here or somewhere else. Well here, oh, I

658
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: mean you look at that. As far as the targets,

659
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: they were certainly throwing at him in that game. And

660
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: when Terry McLaurin was being guarded by Patrick, the Washington

661
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: was willing to throw at him. So it's not like

662
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: teams are just ignoring the receiver that Patrick Peterson is

663
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: guarding like they used to. And I certainly think it's

664
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: something that has to get ironed out because you want

665
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: him to be that lockdown number one corner and you

666
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: want Chandler Jones to get that consistent sack production, and

667
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: I know that's not everything in the pressures are good,

668
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and I thought against Carolina, especially early, he got pressure

669
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: on Teddy Bridgewater and that seemed throws the ball fast,

670
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: so it is hard to sack them. And I thought

671
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: he might have played his best game against Carolina. But

672
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: still one sack in four games for a guy who

673
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: you're counting on to be an All Pro isn't up

674
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: there with what you expected. So I think if the

675
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: defense is going to be you know, average, at the

676
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: very least, you need Patrick and Chandler to play well.

677
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: One of us was popping off last week saying, you know,

678
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: maybe the Lions provided a Honolulu blueprint as to I'll

679
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: go against the Cardinals and then well, according to people

680
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: I talked to, including the head coach on his TV show,

681
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: it really wasn't the case. Carolina didn't really use a

682
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of the exact same principles that matt Patricia did,

683
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: so that's out the window. However, what if I said

684
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: that there was a blueprint provided by Matthew Stafford in

685
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: terms of getting rid of the ball quickly against the

686
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense, and that just seemed to be a big factor. Now,

687
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater didn't have nearly enough pressure, as he had

688
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: no sacks and he got pressured what three official pressures

689
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: seemingly looked like he had a lot of time, but

690
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: he also got rid of the ball pretty quickly and

691
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: made it pretty difficult on the Cardinals. What's alarming to

692
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: meet Darren going back almost full circle here is just

693
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: how easy some of those completions were. Is that a

694
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: byproduct and no Buddha Baker, no Jalen Thompson. Is that

695
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: Is that something that's gonna be a concerned long term

696
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: you think for this secondary? I think that's a good question.

697
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back to the late in the

698
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Washington game and Okay, we're playing off because we had

699
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: a big lead, and then the Lions are able to

700
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: drive down at the end of the game and it

701
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: seemed like there was a lot of open people, and

702
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: then what you had in Carolina. I do think the

703
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: safety thing had something to do with it. And even

704
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a direct coverage, part of the safety

705
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: is being missing and very much could be about. Okay,

706
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: the last thing we want to do right now is

707
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: put our cornerbacks on on island, play a lot of

708
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: man and man and then expect one of these safeties

709
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: to be quite frankly up to speed enough to cover

710
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: over the top if something happens and not get beat deep.

711
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: And maybe we'll just play back overall and protect the

712
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: fact that we don't have the guys as safety. We

713
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: want I don't know any of that for a fact,

714
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: but that's the stuff that pops into my head. You know,

715
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: there's a change if they get some of these safeties back.

716
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: You know they're hopeful Buddha and Jalen Thompson and Banjo

717
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: will all be back. As Cliff Kings where he has

718
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: said a few times quote unquote soon, whether that's this

719
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: week or not, I don't know, but you know, after

720
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: what it kind of how the defense kind of went

721
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: in Carolina, you're you gotta hope that there's something there.

722
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: And we haven't even talked about Devon Knard, who I

723
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: think we really saw how much they missed him because

724
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: with his all the good things that Hassan Reddick has

725
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: done this year a linebacker, I think having Reddick playing

726
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: more and using Kylie fits you can see that not

727
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: having Kennard made a difference. I would agree with that

728
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: as son. Reddick seems to be that sort of situational guy,

729
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: come in with a burst of athleticism and yeah, on

730
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: a down to down basis, the Cardinals most definitely missed

731
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: Devon Kennard. What was it Twice we saw Isaiah Simmons

732
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: at deep safety where he rotated back at the last

733
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: moment pre snap and dropped into a center field type position.

734
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: One time the play was killed by a flag pre snap.

735
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: They both both times he did it, both times the

736
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Panthers false started. It was really weird to me, as

737
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: like did they were they freaked out that he went

738
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: back there? I mean, I've never that the chances of

739
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: that happening seems so and I wanted to see it

740
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: because that was what stunk was he dropped back to

741
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: safety both times they false started, and then I think

742
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: in both cases he left the field before the next play,

743
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: like before they false started, they took the fiery penalty

744
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: and then Mance took him off the field. What was then?

745
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: How many people in the mail bag what's the death?

746
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: Cohn reading one on Isaiah Simmons in the mail bag

747
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: this week and then number two day Win's site Jeremy

748
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: chen and in the rookie who was dubbed Isaiah Simmons

749
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: light out of Southern Illinois coming out of the draft

750
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: a round two pick. Is he had a pretty productive

751
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: game in that Carolina Now he doesn't have it, de

752
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: Andre Campbell in front of him keeping him from getting

753
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: snaps at his position. But I was just curious. I mean, Kyle,

754
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice that Jeremy Chin for the

755
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: Panthers had a pretty darn good game as a rookie. Yeah,

756
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: and doesn't help that Derek Brown, the guy had taken

757
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: one spot ahead of Isaiah Simmons, had those two highlight

758
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: worthy plays in the run game, and he didn't get

759
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. So it wasn't a perfect performance

760
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: from Derek Brown, but he's obviously playing more than Isaiah

761
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: Simmons at this point. And I think, like we talked

762
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: about last week, I think it was notable that Isaiah

763
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Simmons didn't get on the field much at all, even

764
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: though Curtis Riley was struggling and Deontay Thompson was a

765
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: little bit up and down, and they went to Charles

766
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: Washington as the third safety when they took Riley off

767
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: the field for a bit. So I think clearly Isaiah

768
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: Simmons is still learning things mentally and still adjusting physically

769
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: to the game. And I think back like, I don't

770
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing that he hasn't seen the

771
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: field regularly yet, because most first round picks, despite no offseason,

772
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: are on the field already but I do think back

773
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: to Buddha, Baker didn't play basically on defense the first

774
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: eight games. David Johnson was used very sparingly until late

775
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: in his rookie season. So it's not exactly a death

776
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: sentence to not play early in your rookie year. So

777
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. I mean, in a perfect world,

778
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: he's already excelling, and he hasn't yet, but I do

779
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: think it's certainly too early to shut the book on him.

780
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: And we'll see as a season goes on what kind

781
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: of package they have for Isaiah Simmons, because you would

782
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: expect it to continue to expand if you start talking

783
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: about rookies and rookie seasons. I mean, DJ Humphreys didn't

784
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: get into a game as rookie season, and they just

785
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: gave a giant extension to be their left tackle. And again,

786
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna listen to me and say, well,

787
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: that's just excuses and all this stuff, and I just

788
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: I think every first round pick, every draft pick, is

789
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: going to be a certain there's there. They're gonna be

790
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: their own people, and it's all gonna be different situations

791
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: based on how they're doing and what all's going on

792
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: in this game, and if you put in and maybe

793
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: at some point at this point, people are like, I

794
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: don't care anymore. But let's go back to that first game, Paul.

795
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: If if the if the Cardinals would have lost that

796
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: first game, and everybody's saying, well, if it wasn't for

797
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons getting beat for seventy six year a touchdown

798
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, they would have won. You know,

799
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: are you angry he's in the game at that point?

800
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I could see it being the other way around. If

801
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: he's playing a lot and making a bunch of mistakes

802
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, why the hell are you got a

803
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: rookie in there? It doesn't know what he's doing. You know. Again,

804
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: the difference the issue right now with Isaiah Simmons isn't

805
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: just he's not playing. It's that fans are upset because

806
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: he's not playing and they're losing. If this team was winning,

807
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: you just don't people aren't going to say as much.

808
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: And that's what ultimately this comes down to it. After

809
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: the first two weeks, it looked like this defense was

810
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: going to be fine with him playing very little, and

811
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: now you're starting to wonder a little bit about it.

812
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: But that's how changes are made, that's how guys getting

813
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: the lineup, that's how you end up playing rookies sometimes

814
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: is because things aren't going the way you want. Okay,

815
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in the lineup and see what happens.

816
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: Did the Cardinals start that Niners game, the opener with

817
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the eleven most talented players on defense, Yes, they did.

818
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Kyle Shanahan said, Okay, you're gonna put

819
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: a rookie out there. We're gonna get him into space

820
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: and we'll test him. And it wasn't just the Mostard

821
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: seventy six yard catch and run. There were a few

822
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: other big hitters. That was Isaiah Simmons assignment, and so

823
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: they did have to get him off the field at

824
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: that point because it was a liability. He wasn't quite ready,

825
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: especially with that Niners offense, all the shifts and the motions,

826
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: the eye candy and messes with your eyes and everything

827
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: they do, and then they get into the West Coast offense.

828
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to Kyle Shannon's dad.

829
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: It's a tough deal for a kid who didn't have

830
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: a single preseason game in his first game. So it's

831
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: a great point, Darren, You're right. I mean, if he's

832
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: still in there and he's costing you touchdowns in big plays,

833
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: then what are the fans saying. I mean, my expectation

834
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: is going into New York, the defense is going to rebound. Defense.

835
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Looked at the film. They said, wait a minute, Teddy

836
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Bridgewater just scored on an eighteen yard touchdown run up

837
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: the spine of the field, breaking tackles, his first touchdown

838
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: run since a horrific knee injury in twenty sixteen. They're

839
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: gonna look at the yards per carry. They're gonna look

840
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: at the total yards. They're gonna look at the you know,

841
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: there's a first down run with nine in the box.

842
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: I think the defense responds, and whether it's fans in

843
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: there or not in medlife, they're they'll have the energy.

844
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about the offense. I'm just totally

845
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: uncertain as to what to expect with the offense at

846
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: this point. Kyle. I think the defense will definitely respond,

847
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: and I think it helps when you're playing the Jets

848
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: and it seems like Joe Flacco might be the quarterback,

849
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: I would be less excited about a possible rebound if

850
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: it was the Cowboys at the Seahawks, like you're playing

851
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: the two weeks later. I think, I think the big

852
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: question to me is the secondary. And like you said,

853
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: how much does Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson matter? And

854
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I think they matter a lot because you look at

855
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, Buyer Murphy and Drake Kirkpatrick. I think at

856
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: this stage in the two older veterans' careers, they're not

857
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: super fast, and then Buyer Murphy was never a burner

858
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: coming out of college, so they don't have like elite

859
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: speed at corner. And I think Buddha Baker helps a

860
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff because you can play outside leverage

861
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: and kind of funnel things to him, and he's he's

862
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: the fastest guy in that secondary. He covers so much

863
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: ground and he does a bunch. So I think when

864
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: you get those safeties back, I want to see what

865
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: the coverage looks like against the Cowboys and you know,

866
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks, two really good passing teams. But offensively

867
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you look at the Jets defensive

868
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: numbers and they're not they're not too bad. Like the

869
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: offense is obviously really bad, but the defense has a

870
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: decent amount of talent for New York, so I think

871
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest matchup, And it'll be interesting because

872
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: the cover four I mentioned earlier, the Jets have only

873
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: played that in six snaps all seasons. So do they

874
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: play the zone deep drop that everybody else is or

875
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: are they going to play something different and and let

876
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: maybe let Kyler Murray see a different look and how

877
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: he responds to that. But I mean, I agree with

878
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: you that there's no there's no absolute things saying the

879
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: offense is going to bounce back. But I do think,

880
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, there's enough talent there to

881
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: where if they finally put it all together against the Jets,

882
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: that wouldn't surprise me. Well, we'll see what kind of

883
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: pressure Greg Williams wants to bring to Kyler Murray in

884
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: terms of blitzing and and rushing the passer. But um,

885
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: the Jets do not have a good secondary, and they

886
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: don't and they got rid of Jamal Adams and they're

887
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: they're having all kinds of problem as a cornerback. I mean,

888
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: this is a group that you would think can be exploited.

889
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, last week on Thursday, night, a third string

890
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: quarterback named Brock Rippin lit them up and beat them

891
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: in large part because they were able to go deep

892
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: and make a bunch of long passes in addition to

893
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: the run game with Melvin Gordon. That just destroyed the Jets.

894
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: And they have guys that can be picked on. And

895
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the question is can the Cardinals take advantage of that.

896
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the next two defenses

897
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: they're playing between the Jets and the Cowboys in the

898
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: passing game, can't get better in these two actually with

899
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. The Seahawks have a terrible defense too. Right now,

900
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: If you can't get better in the passing game against

901
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: these three defenses, and I'm not talking about how much

902
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and Seahawks can score against this the Cardinals defense,

903
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about Cardinals offense specifically. If you can't

904
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: get better in the passing game these next three games,

905
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: that's you. You got issues. And that's a great point.

906
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: As much as I enjoyed that that second to you

907
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: doing your Vic Fangio impersonation because he called him brock

908
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: Rippen when his name is Brett Rippon, and the head

909
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: coach of Denver has been calling him Mark Rippon, so

910
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: to the press, I mean, I got Brock. He's the

911
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: nephew of Mark Rippon, the kid out of Spud State,

912
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: Brett Rippon. I believe me. I had to look that up, Darren.

913
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: The only reason I even knew that is because Big

914
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: Fangio had had committed that, so I was by the

915
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: way we knew there was the connection between Cliff Kingsbury

916
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: and Matt Rule. There's also a connection between Cliff Kingsbury

917
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: and Adam Gae, is there not? Who would like to

918
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: pick up on that story and how it relates to

919
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the Jets two years ago. We're both

920
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: in the market for a head coach. Well, I mean,

921
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: ultimately it's not necessarily connection between the coaches as much

922
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: as the franchises that are that hired them. Because both

923
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: teams reviewed, both coaches, both guys to be their head coach.

924
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean Adam Gays came in here the same week

925
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury interviewed for the Cardinals and Cliff Kingsbury interviewed

926
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: with the Jets, just like they talked to Adam Gase.

927
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: And obviously I want to say, and I'd have to

928
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: look it up, but I want to say the Kingsbury

929
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: higher came first, because I seem to remember the Jets

930
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: being somewhat disappointed that Kingsbury picked the Cardinals, and so

931
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: they went with Adam Gase, and we are where we

932
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: are right now. And obviously, if if the Cardinals have

933
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: been able to win at least one of these last

934
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: two games, they'd feel a lot more, you know, high

935
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: and mighty about where they are with their coach. But

936
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam Gase is dodging conversation about him being

937
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: fired on a weekly basis right now. So you got

938
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: to feel like the Cardinals did the right thing, getting

939
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and letting him get Kyler Murray and going

940
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: from there. Now there's another rankle because there were stories

941
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: out sighting sources who said that Cliff Kingsbury was in

942
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: New York interviewing again with the Jets at the very

943
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: moment that Cliff Kingsbury was taking a tour of the

944
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals complex, and there witnesses at the Dignity Health Training

945
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: Center who were actually shaking hands with Cliff Kingsbury as

946
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: the reports were coming out that he was supposedly interviewing

947
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: with the Jets in New York at that exact moment.

948
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: That wasn't a Paul Kelvci report, was it? Heck? No, heck,

949
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: I'll take a lot of stuff around here, but I'm

950
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: not wearing that one. No. Hold, well, what did you

951
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: get that was really big breaking news? Herm Edwards or something.

952
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, let's go out. Do we have

953
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: enough time left on the podcast or me to run

954
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: down the scorecard on that one. Hey, there was the

955
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards. Kyle, all right, smart guy. There was a

956
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards. Uh, there was also a smart guy. I'm

957
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: sitting here praising you your reporting ability. There were there

958
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: were there were three big ones, and I'm trying to

959
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: remember the third, but it was Herm Edwards and it

960
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: was actual act. My report on Cliff Kingsbury was this,

961
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Everyone dismissed Cliff Kingsbury and the name on that list,

962
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean completely dismissed him. He just got fired by

963
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. He's an oct usc And I did come

964
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: out because I did learn from reliable sources, legit sources

965
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: that he was a real serious candidate early in the process,

966
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. So that was a report. I never called it.

967
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: I never said he was gonna absolutely be the Echoes

968
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: and said no, no, he is a real candidate and

969
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: we'll be a finalist. And then I forget the third one.

970
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: But whatever, you know, wait, wait, I gotta go here.

971
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about you in your history,

972
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean you can't. You can't talk about how you

973
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: were standing on the table for Ankom Bolden or you know,

974
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: to to draft John Brown in the third round and

975
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: then not tell us your missus, get us a good

976
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: miss Yeah, well you don't have to go very far

977
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: for the missus. My my polypigskin breakout player of camp

978
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: on the defensive side this year was saying Lewis so

979
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: Saint Louis there wasn't even a first cut, and say

980
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Lewis still got cut. So that's that was good? That

981
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: was that was not good? And um so yeah, this

982
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: is the humble pie portion of Cardinals on the ground.

983
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I didn't exactly hit it out of the

984
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: park with Jojoe Award either. Um. I kind of have

985
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: to go back to Tony Jefferson for my you know,

986
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: for an all time, right, I did have Tony Jefferson,

987
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: I had John Brown. Um, people still, people still written

988
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: me on Max Hall as my polypicks can break out

989
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: player of Camp. But wait a minute, Max Hall did

990
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: make the stinking team and did make two starts for

991
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. So that was sort of the point

992
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: is the unknown guy who comes out of camp and

993
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: actually ends up making a difference. And I'll always give

994
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: you credit for being the first one on the Kyler

995
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Murray hype train, driving that train from day one when

996
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen was the Entrench starter and everybody thought it

997
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: would be crazy, and he said, Nope, come for the

998
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: arm and stay for the legs and superpowered Russ Wilson

999
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: and I mean he's hit, he's hit a little roadblock here,

1000
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: but you just you just keep riding. That train took

1001
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: a lot of Ultimately, I was gonna say I took

1002
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of heat because the Kyler Murray stopped. No,

1003
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean people all over me. Oh he's a lunatic.

1004
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: Her Edwards when I came on with her and Edwards

1005
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: and Jerem Edwards head and coached to how many years

1006
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: people are like Kalbisi's a lunatic and then and then

1007
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: the Cliff Kingsbury. Okay, now you know anyway, I don't

1008
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: know why it is. I get the outliers, they get

1009
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: the outliers. You know that that I will say that.

1010
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: And unfortunately I can't really get into details. But and

1011
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to go public really with it either.

1012
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: But I remember, let's just say, long before Cliff was hired,

1013
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I was given the heads up that he'd be in

1014
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: the mix, at least to a point where I didn't

1015
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: really buy it at the time that I was hearing it.

1016
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: And in hindsight, I'm like, oh, man, um, because it

1017
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: was definitely out of the box. But I, you know,

1018
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: I still I still believe that he is going to

1019
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: be the right coach for this team. I still believe

1020
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: him pairing with Kyler Murray will be the right combination.

1021
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: And we'll guess, we'll see. And they got to get

1022
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: some of these games where they should be getting them,

1023
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: because we all know what this leads like if you

1024
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: don't do that in a short order. But I also

1025
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 1: wonder a little bit about and I'm not just talking

1026
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: about this team, just where things go over the next

1027
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: couple of years in terms of coaching changes. Because if

1028
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you're paying all these coaches all this money and you

1029
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: take a hit because of COVID and where things have

1030
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: gone economically. I'm wondering if teams, just in general, when

1031
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: like we're talking about Adam Gase, just in general, might

1032
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: be more willing to pump the brakes on a quick

1033
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: fire Bill O'Brien, notwithstanding, just because you're not gonna want

1034
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: to have all this extra money that you're paying out,

1035
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, the crazy head coaching status. Last thing I'm

1036
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: going to throw out there, the holy con only stat

1037
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: that I saw this week that Brown's head coach Kevin

1038
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: Stefanski is three and one in three years here Jackson

1039
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: was three thirty six and one. About That's stad How

1040
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: about that for an all time twenty times to be

1041
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: a Browns fan. And I just think you look at

1042
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: you look at Kingsbury, And this has been probably the

1043
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: most critical week of Kingsbury's tenure, with a lot of

1044
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: people being upset with his play calling and the team

1045
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: being flat because expectations this season are so much higher

1046
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: than they were last year. But I think it's a

1047
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: good reminder when you look at Adam Gaze, who is

1048
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: hired in the exact same year and is really really

1049
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: struggling into the point like Darren said, where people are

1050
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: legitimately asking about his job and the Cardinals were in

1051
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: just as bad of a spot when Cliff Kingsbury was hired.

1052
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean that that twenty eighteen team was clearly the

1053
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: worst team in the NFL, and negative two hundred point

1054
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: differential is really hard to do. So the fact that

1055
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: they turned it around this quick, and the fact that

1056
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about playoff expectations in his second season and

1057
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: being so mad that this team is two and two,

1058
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: I think that's a testament to how far the team

1059
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: has come in only nineteen twenty games under Cliff Kingsbury.

1060
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes. And it's still early

1061
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: in his tenure, but it sure feels like despite these

1062
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: recent hiccups, this team is in a pretty good spot.

1063
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: Right eruption unchained jump. These are all things. These are

1064
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: all burbs your guys are going to use in your

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Speaker 1: game story on Sunday, Week five after a big win

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Speaker 1: against the Jets to come full circle on Van Halen.

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Speaker 1: These are all things you guys can use out there.

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Speaker 1: I like it, Darren. We'll see what New York has

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Speaker 1: in store. Actually, the honest the hotel in New York yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll see what the hotel has in store. You won't

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Speaker 1: see New York, but you'll see the hotel, so New

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Speaker 1: Jersey probably all right, right, you can see what Greater

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Speaker 1: Jersey City has in store. So Paul, have a full

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Speaker 1: day to work your sources on Saturday and come up

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Speaker 1: with you next school. That's right, Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: are you the one that broke that? Um, what's the

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Speaker 1: UFA coach's name? Did you say he had coronavirus? Did

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Speaker 1: you get the No? I did not know. No, although

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Speaker 1: I did go for a walk on Saturday and I

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Speaker 1: saw a Cardinals player and I'm like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I don't really recognize that guy. And the only thing

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Speaker 1: that saved me, because we were walking down this path.

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Speaker 1: He was going one way, I was going the other way,

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Speaker 1: was the fact that he had his number on his

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Speaker 1: mask and it was number eighty Jordan Thomas, And I said,

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Speaker 1: that is so twenty twenty. Once a by the time

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Speaker 1: coach used to write your name or number on masking

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Speaker 1: tape and put it on your helmet. Now your numbers

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Speaker 1: on your face mask because of COVID. Now those are

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. I saw those around the hotel. Those are

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Speaker 1: pretty cool masks where they all the players have their own,

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Speaker 1: you know, proper numbers, Jersey numbers on their COVID masks. Darren,

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Speaker 1: you can put your nickname on your mask. What's your

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Speaker 1: what's your nickname? Darn, you should put your nickname on

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Speaker 1: your mask. Oh man, we're not going there. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: wrap this up right now. On Cardinals that's not to self.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're starting next week. You're on Cardinals Underground