Speaker 1: On today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we talked
Speaker 1: Senior VP of Football Operations Brandon Whofras, Susna Susna we go.
Speaker 1: We got schedule released as from the player's perspective, do
Speaker 1: we care? Do we not care? Say to me to
Speaker 1: find out. And we got OTA's which you're always fun
Speaker 1: to talk about it. We've got VR training. What does
Speaker 1: that look like?
Speaker 2: It all starts right out.
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Fred Spoot and Santana Moss and guys. Well, first off,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this Fred. Yeah, just went on a trip.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did trip with the kids.
Speaker 3: Drove all the way down to Birmingham, Alabama for au
Speaker 3: tournament with you. Saw a lot of people down there.
Speaker 3: Then household Joe back to Virginia for the Dale Green
Speaker 3: Foundation Tournament golf tournament.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well I helped raise almost thirty five fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: in the auction. I'm the auctioneer, so I hear.
Speaker 1: You were not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an auction.
Speaker 1: Good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I get people to dig in their pockets. I'm
Speaker 2: good at that.
Speaker 3: Dig in the pockets, get that well, we take the
Speaker 3: kind at Jingles, but we'd rather have the kind of
Speaker 3: folk like that, just what it is. And we raised
Speaker 3: over thirty thousand dollars and forty five minutes yesterday.
Speaker 2: I mean you got he got a lot of practice
Speaker 2: from his dad in the church. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 2: know how it go. Hear that we take the kind
Speaker 2: of we love the you all heard of that a
Speaker 2: lot of time place around. Don't put no change in there.
Speaker 1: Yes, they still give like I didn't. I didn't been
Speaker 1: an auctional while do they still give like money? They give
Speaker 1: like checks and they get.
Speaker 2: Like, well now they can do it instantly.
Speaker 3: They can walk around with the credit card thing, or
Speaker 3: they can write a check and stuff like that. We
Speaker 3: had a couple of their jersey's self up close to
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars. Yes suff we was even selling just
Speaker 3: regular golf shirts. I talked to them and just buying
Speaker 3: them for three hundred dollars. So whatever he is selling,
Speaker 3: you need a salesman. And see, I think in my
Speaker 3: former life I used to be a daughter door a
Speaker 3: vacuum salesman in the early seventies.
Speaker 1: That's tough, living, man, It's rough. You got a vacuum
Speaker 1: I don't care, dude. I had a guy come buy
Speaker 1: my house the other day and you don't like they're
Speaker 1: selling pest control or whatever, and you know usually sow.
Speaker 1: You know, sir, we don't spray, Like my wife doesn't
Speaker 1: want to spray because you don't want to touch. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because we got dogs or something. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, so we don't. We don't. We've never used it.
Speaker 1: We've in our house for ten years. You don't spray
Speaker 1: for pests. Yeah, he goes, I appreciate that, sir, But
Speaker 1: what about this? And I was like, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I'm talking. This guy came back at me relentlessly five
Speaker 1: or six times.
Speaker 2: That's the skills.
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not exaggerating. It was like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, thank you. Oh what about this?
Speaker 1: You showed me a picture or something about this. This
Speaker 1: is scary. You want to go? And I was like,
Speaker 1: he showed you.
Speaker 2: A praying man could be tech. They need his one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they need one person. Man.
Speaker 4: I couldn't be a salesman because once you tell me no,
Speaker 4: you won't turn around and going to the But that's
Speaker 4: how they do.
Speaker 2: They knock on your door.
Speaker 3: They'd be like yeah, look like you need a roof,
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, no, this roof just got put
Speaker 3: on three years and they're like, oh okay, uh in
Speaker 3: five years you need to return, you need to replace
Speaker 3: the No, no, no, these are supposed to be thirty shit.
Speaker 1: If everyone they go like, well, you know, like with
Speaker 1: those big storms we've had, you might want us to
Speaker 1: go up and look and we'll replace it. And then
Speaker 1: they're like pulling ship off knowing not that we're saying
Speaker 1: anyone do anything untoward there, but of course.
Speaker 2: They thet salesman like this, like that's what we are
Speaker 2: in the in the United States. We know things a
Speaker 2: certain way, but then we just we choose not the
Speaker 2: liok it. We know what cost salesman. It's sleazy.
Speaker 3: I saying what you want to they're gonna say it
Speaker 3: you a car by any means necessity.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about Tannem was just talking with
Speaker 1: Jason about cars and how that is and anyway, that's that.
Speaker 1: But the reason I know we started talking about salesman
Speaker 1: for whatever because friends of salesman. But I really wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up your trip to Birmingham because your daughter
Speaker 1: got a scholarship offer them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did cap Berkeley for this weekend.
Speaker 1: Thinks she's you know, she she's getting there where she
Speaker 1: get that from that basketball?
Speaker 2: But she got it from my daddy Russell has Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's built exactly like me.
Speaker 1: We got video evidence fight no listen.
Speaker 3: I was exhausted, like he's a tank, all right, and
Speaker 3: sometimes like they say, you can't fight a tank with
Speaker 3: a dirt, boy, Now you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do it.
Speaker 2: And then he was just leaning on men.
Speaker 3: He would literally take the ball out and hand it
Speaker 3: to me like an inch, Like who does that? Like
Speaker 3: this is a guy that felt like if I let
Speaker 3: his quickness come into this, I won't be to stop.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: He had a plan.
Speaker 1: You didn't. I did.
Speaker 3: Really, That's that's who you are. But that's what I
Speaker 3: gotta say this. Congratulations to Kendrick Ghosted and you're right.
Speaker 3: And of those guys they would take on the head
Speaker 3: coaching job and stone Bridge and Virginia, I can't Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see that staff.
Speaker 2: You I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 2: I'm not coaching. This is what I will do.
Speaker 3: I will train, I will help guys, and I will
Speaker 3: talk to him and I will mentor then coaching.
Speaker 2: Man, that's too much time, man.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of time. They give you a something.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a stip, but it's literally like
Speaker 1: seven dollars. It's like seven dollars an hour.
Speaker 2: I can't do that in low count. Yeah, you cannot
Speaker 2: leave while coaching in lowcot.
Speaker 1: It's it's one hundred percent true. All right, So just
Speaker 1: a reminder, we got that hawk outside dot com, that
Speaker 1: hawk outside, that hawk outside dot com. Yeah at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. G maybe, Yeah, let's make sure that's clear,
Speaker 1: that hawk outside at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so we got we're getting out shirts, right.
Speaker 2: Fred, Yeah, free shirt, free shirts shirt.
Speaker 1: Twenty winners for a free shirt this is and then
Speaker 1: five money lucky winners for us, signed shirt by all
Speaker 1: three of us. Yeah, and this is the last opportunity.
Speaker 1: This is last time we're gonna do it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make our selections here very soon, right, Jason, that's coming
Speaker 1: up making those selections. He's nodding, last chance. So make
Speaker 1: sure you get that those submissions in. You guys done
Speaker 1: a great job. And also that's a great spot to
Speaker 1: leave show ideas moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us. What you want us to talk about
Speaker 2: any subjects in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about the mailman segment, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mailman, the milkmandy, whoever it is, these jobs
Speaker 3: have all died.
Speaker 2: Preacher Man by the way, you know it was Man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever anything and with Man, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And then we got a live show coming up right
Speaker 1: on June fourteenth. We're finalizing the location now, but make
Speaker 1: sure you guys keep an eye out for that. We're
Speaker 1: going to kind of determine the best spot to get
Speaker 1: that done and hopefully you guys come out and support
Speaker 1: us for the live event. That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: No, it's going to be very exciting.
Speaker 1: I can Is it like at a bar you think,
Speaker 1: or like an auditorium?
Speaker 2: I think it should be at a bar. You need
Speaker 2: alcohol flowing? Where you went to the spot that will
Speaker 2: be doing that?
Speaker 1: Right? No?
Speaker 2: No, we we don't know. Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, finally, everyone calm down.
Speaker 2: Yeah everyone, we haven't figured it out. I heard some
Speaker 2: names and I gotta look, it's all good. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: in talks. We negotiate, feel very we're at the we're
Speaker 2: at the five yard line.
Speaker 1: You just got to punch it in sometimes handed off.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no is a game man, She's finished in.
Speaker 1: That drive can be really tough, Yeah, really really tough.
Speaker 2: So depending on who you haven't running back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Christie watched some yesterday, just watching it
Speaker 3: coming up the highway.
Speaker 2: We're listening to it.
Speaker 1: You's doing driving the car like I do a.
Speaker 3: Good like when I'm driving long distance. I don't listen
Speaker 3: to music. I don't listen to sports talk. I listened
Speaker 3: to YouTube breakdowns, nerdy stuff. And then I happen to
Speaker 3: come pile as a gang clip and I We're watching
Speaker 3: the two thousand and one game Panthers against Washington at
Speaker 3: the time, and the old Baya cast Stephen Davis was
Speaker 3: running it all down heels man.
Speaker 1: It does help having a big guy down there inside
Speaker 1: the five yard line, all right. So that's it. So
Speaker 1: it makes sure you come out, stay tuned to all
Speaker 1: of our content for that live event. The time that
Speaker 1: the date is June fourteenth, the time to be determined, yes,
Speaker 1: location to be determined, So you have to stay tuned
Speaker 1: to find out on all that stuff is how do
Speaker 1: So let's stay stay with it all right now in
Speaker 1: Commander's news. We've got some kind of exciting news this
Speaker 1: I was. The more research we did for this show,
Speaker 1: the more excited I got about this. We have a
Speaker 1: new senior VP of Football off Operations, Brandon Sosa.
Speaker 2: Sosna is sona, sona, sona.
Speaker 1: You're bad with pronunciations on I'm bad.
Speaker 2: I'm worth too, but I've heard.
Speaker 1: So we'll call him Brandon fro.
Speaker 2: Jason put whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically he is the new Senior VP of
Speaker 1: Football Operations. But man, he has a crazy crazy resume
Speaker 1: but also crazy like job description at the moment. So
Speaker 1: first off, he reports directly JP. He's the lead contract negotiator.
Speaker 1: He oversees not only analytics but also health and performance
Speaker 1: and also football administration. He's the liaison to business operations
Speaker 1: get their stadium bill, and he's got a major role
Speaker 1: in roster, construction, salary, cap and the CBA. Heude's thirty
Speaker 1: one years old. Yeah, like, and that just seems like
Speaker 1: he's got his hand in everything.
Speaker 2: That seems like he's a nerd.
Speaker 3: And yeah, this is what I that's what I like.
Speaker 3: And by the way, rhythme is a French word. By
Speaker 3: the way, back to me right at.
Speaker 1: The end of the day. I think, no, he's.
Speaker 3: So, he's one of these He's one of these brainy
Speaker 3: exit I'm just so happy, man, Like they're not cutting
Speaker 3: any corners. Like you look at what we had in
Speaker 3: the front office and just people taking on like nine
Speaker 3: and ten.
Speaker 2: Jobs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I could just wonder how scratch for their job as
Speaker 3: being for the last ten to fifteen years. And now
Speaker 3: we got people in here to do certain things and
Speaker 3: people overlapping each other, yah doing these things. And I
Speaker 3: think that chicken balance system is gonna help us out
Speaker 3: in the long run. And we're cherry picking from some
Speaker 3: of the best franchises in the league, and we're promoting
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 2: That's the way things are supposed to be.
Speaker 4: I just think, you know, it's a brilliant way these
Speaker 4: guys have been doing things, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: if you really sit back and watch, I guess you
Speaker 4: could say the Harrison Crew, Harrison Company when it comes
Speaker 4: to just everybody you know who putting their hands into
Speaker 4: this party and is stirring it up and making sure
Speaker 4: that they get the right guys for the right job.
Speaker 2: I mean for each and every job. It's very strategic
Speaker 2: and cutting.
Speaker 4: They come out from a guy you're pulling from other
Speaker 4: teams that was using these guys and probably sitting in
Speaker 4: the situation right now.
Speaker 2: We're they hate to have this loss on it. They
Speaker 2: got to replace. Yeah, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I'm like I said, I can't say it anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm ecstatic just to see how this thing really comes
Speaker 4: to you know, I guess bruition, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean when it comes to all the different things that
Speaker 4: they have to do that we never think about or
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 2: We just play ball here.
Speaker 4: We never knew how important a guy like this meant
Speaker 4: to the team, you know what I'm saying. Or further,
Speaker 4: you know, So when I heard the resume, you know,
Speaker 4: I briefly listened to a couple of people who talk
Speaker 4: about him coming over here and how Detroit is going
Speaker 4: to miss him, and how some of the other places
Speaker 4: that he's been things that he'd done well, you know,
Speaker 4: I was geeked about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think like you guys both hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head there, like getting good people to fill important
Speaker 1: positions in your organizations, and he's got a history of
Speaker 1: success and taking on a lot of responsibility. I read
Speaker 1: off like ten things he's going to be responsible for.
Speaker 1: But I think when you look at his resume, right
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns, he was a salary cap and
Speaker 1: contract analysts. In twenty eighteen, he goes back to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: which was a alma mater. He's the chief revenue officer there, right.
Speaker 1: And he goes to usc and he's the executive senior
Speaker 1: Associate Athletic Director and chief of staff, so he's responsible.
Speaker 1: He's not the athletic director, but he's responsible for all
Speaker 1: of the athletic program. And then he goes to the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions and is the senior contract negotiator there, right.
Speaker 1: And then he comes here and has that same title
Speaker 1: in addition to some other responsibilities. So he's a young dude.
Speaker 1: He's very hungry, very experienced, very smart and he and
Speaker 1: the other thing that I love about it is he's
Speaker 1: got like a diversity of experience according to this resume,
Speaker 1: and he's handled different responsibilities and seem to handle them
Speaker 1: very well. And then you pair that with his experience
Speaker 1: in Detroit and the and the that the roster construction
Speaker 1: that they went through there, because I mean, we talked
Speaker 1: about rosters that get you.
Speaker 3: They own guy, they got their own type guys with
Speaker 3: their own vigion, and let's just look through these stuff
Speaker 3: and let's just fine comb these things.
Speaker 2: University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: This is when they had danz Manrita South Gardiner, Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 3: Audi does. I'm talking about probably seventeen eighteen pros off
Speaker 3: in his time. It would be called the Golden era
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati football. They made the playoffs that year, they
Speaker 3: got blew out, but they made the playoffs the year
Speaker 3: hence go to the Cleveland Browns. He left the Cleveland
Speaker 3: Browns in a better condition than he found the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing that with everybody that I'm straking off of.
Speaker 3: He left them all in a better condition than he
Speaker 3: left USC. Not only did he get them Lincoln Riley,
Speaker 3: he comes back, turn around and get them put into
Speaker 3: Big ten.
Speaker 2: And we know how important that is.
Speaker 3: With the PAC twelve signing with the c W with
Speaker 3: a three dollars TV contract, they tell you what's going
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 2: So now that tells me he has future visions. No,
Speaker 2: he can see, Hey, I know he can see.
Speaker 1: You just got a good feel for the dollars and sons, yea,
Speaker 1: which is what his new role.
Speaker 2: That's the most important all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he goes to Detroit, and Detroit one
Speaker 3: of the top six teams to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: right now, left their roster in a better situation than
Speaker 3: he found it.
Speaker 2: So his track records tells me he blows. He glows
Speaker 2: up everywhere go. You know, how to handle money, he
Speaker 2: knows somehow his math is mathing. Boy, he does. He
Speaker 2: does well behind those numbers.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, that's the first thing I saw
Speaker 4: when I when I saw the things that he's done,
Speaker 4: and it all pertained to the dollar and just getting
Speaker 4: things around here, you know, organizing and flowing the right
Speaker 4: way we gott I go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the other thing is like when
Speaker 1: you look at like an important position, you know, like
Speaker 1: when I was with the Atlanta anytime I negotiate a
Speaker 1: new contract, you negotiate with the lead negotiating to the organization.
Speaker 1: And having a guy in that role who understands contract value,
Speaker 1: your role in the organization and what they will or
Speaker 1: will not spend on you, and position a position of
Speaker 1: value is extremely important because I think about, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that that's an overpay, that that's he overpaid. That's what
Speaker 1: he's doing. That's his job. So hopefully he's shown. He
Speaker 1: showed a history of the dollars and cents of the experience,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's a again. You got to
Speaker 1: see him in this new role and see how it
Speaker 1: works here. But in terms of on paper resumes, just
Speaker 1: like Dan Quinn, just like Adam Peters, this guy has
Speaker 1: the resume they make you say, man, he's the right
Speaker 1: guy for the job and can handle all this responsibility. Also,
Speaker 1: Nicki Javala reported that David Blackburn will be the Director
Speaker 1: of Player Personnel. That is unofficial at the moment, but
Speaker 1: once that is finalized, we'll talk about that. That makes
Speaker 1: you stay tuned to get our thoughts on whoever that
Speaker 1: the final version of the director of Player Personnel is.
Speaker 1: But obviously we're very excited about Brandon and we're looking
Speaker 1: forward to see what he does here with this organization.
Speaker 2: We will, we promise we will get your last name correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give it one more time because I
Speaker 1: did call it. It's not yeah, it's senate.
Speaker 2: We know we didn't get that right, So I apologize him.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I wish it was not what you want to say.
Speaker 1: Not so bad.
Speaker 2: That's a football name.
Speaker 1: It's so funny, like this is a little bit appeal
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, like you get in these like little
Speaker 1: ruts mentally with names, and I'll stop saying a name.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2: Not because he said enough. I didn't even think about
Speaker 2: let me not.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, so that's out of the big news.
Speaker 1: We're really excited to see how that and that's more
Speaker 1: of like in terms of judging success, that seems like
Speaker 1: it will be a long term thing, but we're can't
Speaker 1: wait to see what that looks like. Also, in other news,
Speaker 1: we have not talked about the schedule release because before
Speaker 1: on our last show we kind of said, oh, these
Speaker 1: are some games we have highlighted circle we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: the final schedule release. So let's just talk about this
Speaker 1: super high level as a player, do we care? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said you did on the show, so like I
Speaker 1: do at bit because circling game.
Speaker 3: Think about it, all right, you're gonna always circle the game.
Speaker 3: Let's say at Santana playing the Dolphins. That's a home
Speaker 3: game for him. Now I know it feels like away
Speaker 3: game for him, but his family gonna be there ramping,
Speaker 3: all right, So you circled that game.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's just say I got a beef with
Speaker 2: a certain.
Speaker 3: Football player, I like Steve Smith. I'm circlingly the Panthers game.
Speaker 3: If I got the rivalry of the Cowboys. Of course
Speaker 3: that games are automatically circle, so I think in particular situations,
Speaker 3: one on one, it's some intimate was inside of that.
Speaker 3: Let's just say I get to play against the Vikings
Speaker 3: that I just left, I'm circling that game.
Speaker 1: But you do that now? Are you to do that
Speaker 1: the week before the game? No? I would do that,
Speaker 1: but before the season started with I would be like,
Speaker 1: like you got it on your wall and see circle
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm circling that game. Because they didn't believe in me. No,
Speaker 3: it's something like like some channel playing the Jets. He like,
Speaker 3: you know, just y'all ain't do no, y'all drafted me.
Speaker 3: It's all good, but they go with the butt comes in.
Speaker 3: But I'm finna show y'all two hundred yard. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give it to you. Did you feel what I tell you?
Speaker 3: I did everything opposite?
Speaker 4: Then you know you got like you take a special
Speaker 4: person to be wired that way like and I and
Speaker 4: you can't knock them for being so a lot of
Speaker 4: guys like this, especially playing this sport, A lot of
Speaker 4: guys take things person very. But I don't take stuff
Speaker 4: personal because it interferes with my game.
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But if I'm a guy that plays with
Speaker 2: that kind of that that fees my game, then I'm
Speaker 2: want to be personal. I don't feed off of that.
Speaker 4: I feed off of just being clear minded going out
Speaker 4: there handling it as another game. So I wouldn't do
Speaker 4: none of that stuff that Fred just said. You know,
Speaker 4: I would not even look at me like I told
Speaker 4: you we was to get schedules. I didn't want to
Speaker 4: see him. I'm that superstitious.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't somebody start talking about all in week five,
Speaker 2: I go walk.
Speaker 1: The other way.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I want to focus.
Speaker 4: I just want to know when you say, when we
Speaker 4: go to training camp, we got so and so on
Speaker 4: September first, so September eleven.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 4: I'm worried about that first game because I want to
Speaker 4: be zoned and worried about them.
Speaker 2: And then once things get flown.
Speaker 4: And you know, you see it because you see the
Speaker 4: board everywhere. I don't want to get too far ahead.
Speaker 4: Of myself, because we all.
Speaker 2: Are wired like that.
Speaker 4: We have beefs in our own little mind, or have
Speaker 4: things we want to do against teams that may felt,
Speaker 4: you know, a certain way about us, or we you know,
Speaker 4: have someone finished business with them. But I don't want
Speaker 4: to put that into my way of getting ready for
Speaker 4: my season.
Speaker 2: But it when I always just beefs. I can remember
Speaker 2: my rookie year and we were going to play the forty.
Speaker 3: Nine ers, like the third game, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: finally get to check Jerry right, I've been dreaming about
Speaker 3: this my O.
Speaker 2: It was' you.
Speaker 3: Know what, I feel so bad that I feel so
Speaker 3: bad that I did the old man like that.
Speaker 1: I feel so bad.
Speaker 3: No, he was actually playing. Actually we played the forty
Speaker 3: nine and Stokes he was gone.
Speaker 2: He was right, he was at the Oakland.
Speaker 3: So I got to play him and Tim Brown, I
Speaker 3: mean Tim and Tim Brown, which I like, we beating
Speaker 3: up on the old folks home. So I played against
Speaker 3: older right, I played against dirty Rice. I didn't play
Speaker 3: against you know, fresh out Lone Grain. I ain't playing
Speaker 3: against Loan against San Francisco, Yeah, long Grain, right, But
Speaker 3: it was a dream, And then I also think about it.
Speaker 2: A dude coming in and lead young.
Speaker 3: Oh we got the vicers this year. Randy Mouse is
Speaker 3: the first thing coming to your mind. I got Randy,
Speaker 3: I got Chris Carter. So yeah, I think you open
Speaker 3: for the challenges, but now you get to see, okay,
Speaker 3: this is the day these challenges gonna be on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, I knew I was one of those guys that
Speaker 4: if I allowed whatever beef I got with you, it'll
Speaker 4: overtake me.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, It would like you know,
Speaker 2: I'll take you out your game, bingo.
Speaker 4: I'm not a guy like I allowed whatever it goes
Speaker 4: on in the game to affect me as that moment.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I say, Fanswains, I'm in the game and you yapping,
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna yap back. I'm gonna let you yap
Speaker 4: because I know all I gotta do is perform. You
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, And when I perform that that
Speaker 4: speaks louder.
Speaker 2: Than me yapping.
Speaker 4: Now if I yap, if I get into a yapping
Speaker 4: contest with you, you're gonna win because that's what you do.
Speaker 4: You're trying to do that and make sure I get
Speaker 4: off my game. So I used to laugh at guys.
Speaker 4: And I remember it gets to like my fourth or
Speaker 4: fifth year, I see a guy in the off season.
Speaker 4: Dude came to me and saying, I can't even be
Speaker 4: mad at you, Bro, you grinned at me, and then
Speaker 4: with for one hundred he said, you're the same way
Speaker 4: I was all built to say, grant at me, bro,
Speaker 4: And I was like, what I'm grinding at me for?
Speaker 2: And I say, bro, because I know when I the
Speaker 2: way I get back at you. You see in the
Speaker 2: back of my damn jersey. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so I'm not gonna get into that match.
Speaker 4: So but I also know me too that if I
Speaker 4: do start looking, I'm gonna just go to think about
Speaker 4: I'm trying me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And now I'm out my game already because I'm I'm
Speaker 2: really you emotionally spent. Well, I'm thinking about what.
Speaker 4: I remember this moment, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: that's why I try to make sure I just stay
Speaker 4: away from all that.
Speaker 2: Like smooth. I laughed nice of him and see him
Speaker 2: and Steve Smith go at it with words.
Speaker 4: Across the I said, boy, them boys built different, especially Chad, Chad,
Speaker 4: you since since stuff to start his list, man, you
Speaker 4: want to talk about schedule watching, Chad had a list
Speaker 4: of all seventeen dB He went on to talk about
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: DB's on his team, and he's just trying to cross
Speaker 3: us out. And he was like, you know, I got
Speaker 3: you this week, called me the week before the game,
Speaker 3: I got you this. We gotta say, no, you know,
Speaker 3: I got you this week. So at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I see you on Sunday and we had
Speaker 3: that battle. Now, like you can't scratch me out because
Speaker 3: you had as many of us against me as a
Speaker 3: dead man.
Speaker 1: So I got a question. This is just came to
Speaker 1: me right now. Why is it that receiversvs. Receivers and
Speaker 1: corners are such devus. It's like, get away from the ball.
Speaker 1: The more it becomes about me, me, me, even like
Speaker 1: tight End starts staying up, it's like, oh no, Like
Speaker 1: what's going on with that? Like do you know? I
Speaker 1: mean they get the ball lot, But it's like, and you.
Speaker 3: Gotta have it in somewhat insane personality to be out
Speaker 3: there on their freeway constantly baling these dudes, and we
Speaker 3: gotta do.
Speaker 2: Think about this.
Speaker 3: If I coad you out and say this is a
Speaker 3: position you play. You got to go backwards with the
Speaker 3: fastest at least in the world.
Speaker 1: Do forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta be a little insane to be really
Speaker 3: at you and the talking it's a way to psyche
Speaker 3: yourself out almost because you got to think about it.
Speaker 3: Cornerback is a position of imperfection. We're going to get beat.
Speaker 3: It ain't no if it ain't no win, it's you're
Speaker 3: going to get beat. Now, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: But offensive lineman, man, they have a very similar situation.
Speaker 1: They don't talk right, yeah.
Speaker 2: But they also don't get singled out like to get beat.
Speaker 4: See you understand some defensive backs and I can't speak
Speaker 4: for safeties, but they're in that same I guess you
Speaker 4: can say ballpark when it comes to the corners and
Speaker 4: the receiver there are they like basketball players when it
Speaker 4: comes to our sport, meaning meaning when it looks they're
Speaker 4: individually battling all day, one on one.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Like, regardless of what the
Speaker 2: coverage is, I see you, you see me? Yeah, Rather I.
Speaker 4: Get the ball now if I beat you, we counted
Speaker 4: against what I'm saying, it's a it's it's.
Speaker 2: A check, it's got you got it. I got so.
Speaker 2: I could look at him all day while I was
Speaker 2: tean thread up. If I ain't had.
Speaker 4: I he was open most so at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, we play individual sport amongst a bunch of
Speaker 4: guys on the team.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So me personally, I couldn't answer the question more than
Speaker 4: what I just answered because I never saw myself in
Speaker 4: that light.
Speaker 2: But I never tried to put myself.
Speaker 1: Inside you, never like talked you always a dude. You
Speaker 1: had your little celebration.
Speaker 2: Get it wrong, That's what I say. That's after the
Speaker 2: that's after I don'neal what I had to do when
Speaker 2: I do my job. Can't tell me how to celebrate.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. I have a different one.
Speaker 2: I'm going to spend the You know, I told you ill.
Speaker 2: I was watching film coming up the highway.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm having a hard time with this. Listen, I.
Speaker 3: Genuinely listened to it. Right, I'm watching Santanna. I don't
Speaker 3: know how I got to Santawn and I started noticing
Speaker 3: so every time he scored in college, especially when he
Speaker 3: first got in the league, when he crossed the end zone.
Speaker 2: He was gonna unbutton his up. He's gonna unbutton that.
Speaker 2: He had got to a point where he he had
Speaker 2: to think about it.
Speaker 1: I seen him.
Speaker 2: Somebody was tackling him going across the line.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He noticed that. I was like, what that was?
Speaker 4: That was part of my celebration that it was hit.
Speaker 4: Like people will get enamored with the bass bend. I
Speaker 4: laughed about that because I spent. I was spending the
Speaker 4: ball since I was Jay high. I remember I got
Speaker 4: a penalty in college. You know they come out, you
Speaker 4: know how they doing the league, how the refs come
Speaker 4: out and stuff. So in college, my first game back
Speaker 4: after my broke jaw, we're playing Cincinnati Bearcats.
Speaker 2: I spend the ball and they went to.
Speaker 4: Time We went to UH to a time out, you
Speaker 4: know how you get a break and when it coming
Speaker 4: things came back and say the ball still spinding from
Speaker 4: sixty and like it's crazy. The first meeting me had
Speaker 4: going into the next season, the officials told me, hey,
Speaker 4: you can't do this no more, really, And I'm like what,
Speaker 4: I grew up watching this guy spend the ball, that
Speaker 4: guy spinning ball, and.
Speaker 2: Now you you point me out for spending the football.
Speaker 2: So my coach told me tenam spent for every catch
Speaker 2: until you score, spend the ball. So you know, I
Speaker 2: would have to wait to score. But that was a touchdown.
Speaker 2: They told me I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: But besides the spending the ball thing, I was always
Speaker 4: that was like something that was like a swag thing.
Speaker 4: It's not that that button off because that's a Miami thing.
Speaker 2: A job done. Yeah, kind of sick. But I didn't
Speaker 2: know that you would notice that. I no, I just
Speaker 2: like it never failed, Like I like, let me look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check. I checked out.
Speaker 1: I said, you were watching, now you're talking.
Speaker 2: I would like, let me check.
Speaker 3: So I went back the team every touchdown from CODs
Speaker 3: and he did it every time.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always thought it was because the receivers and
Speaker 1: corners run camera a lot, so they had to do something,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying now.
Speaker 2: We also we almost independent contractors.
Speaker 3: We had the same battery as y'all, but we got
Speaker 3: internal wars going on outside.
Speaker 2: In our wars, I magnified, you know, like you can.
Speaker 3: You can have a good battery in the trenches and
Speaker 3: they won't talk about it till two weeks later, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get dogged that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I used to always do and now
Speaker 4: I know we want to we're gonna move on. But
Speaker 4: my other thing I used to do is just tapping,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I feel like that was
Speaker 4: just I feel like so many people was doing that
Speaker 4: haigh to change. I'm like, damn everybody doing the tap
Speaker 4: to the chest and yet better guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was thinking about the Thanksgiving game in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve and I remember you getting getting into it
Speaker 1: with a dB after you score a touchdown. I no
Speaker 1: remember how to grab you.
Speaker 2: It was like you grabbed me.
Speaker 4: That was that was That was Pierre's touchdown and you
Speaker 4: were talking and that was a guy. Him and Pierre
Speaker 4: was going at it, but he pushed Pierre hard to
Speaker 4: the ground. So I was just defending my guy. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not I'm not one of those guys that
Speaker 4: liked to get into those you know. I guess you
Speaker 4: say contests, but when you and the heat of battle,
Speaker 4: man so much goes on. Man, you just react.
Speaker 1: You're a pure man, not dudee.
Speaker 2: I played Er when he was in the Bull Listen.
Speaker 1: Is he like that even when he was young.
Speaker 2: You know, some somewhere receivers don't take pride in.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: I was watching film on Pierre. I said, he actually
Speaker 3: blocking people to hurt them against He's trying to tire
Speaker 3: you out like so, because you know he could easily
Speaker 3: just get in front of you, shield you block. You know,
Speaker 3: he is literally he's trying to bury you and he's
Speaker 3: trying to hurt something on you.
Speaker 2: So when you have to check him.
Speaker 3: He was already hard to tackle with me, honest like,
Speaker 3: he one of the few big guys to just give
Speaker 3: me the ball quick.
Speaker 2: I keep running him and kwombole anybody built like.
Speaker 4: That took that, took it out of mind. I was
Speaker 4: going to say he had that and kwam bolting effect
Speaker 4: to me faster than an kwan. But they're so big,
Speaker 4: you know, they can bully guys outside and then they're
Speaker 4: gonna beat you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and beat you de boy just out you know,
Speaker 2: out route, you know, rout you up or whatever. But
Speaker 2: not hands. That was a good guy.
Speaker 1: I love the face.
Speaker 4: I got a chance to play with him because I
Speaker 4: watched him play with Reggie and I remember he came
Speaker 4: over here. I remember he said something to me. It
Speaker 4: was funny He was like, yeah, boy, you're different from Reggie.
Speaker 2: That's why I laughed.
Speaker 4: I say, we know everybody else he said, boy it
Speaker 4: was boy was like you want Reggie, want that ball?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean at that time because Marvin's gone,
Speaker 3: yeahge like this, this gotta be all me.
Speaker 4: But but Pierre had his last thing the year that
Speaker 4: he came here. The year before he came here, that
Speaker 4: was his best season over there in Indie. And I
Speaker 4: think he he out. I don't know if he had
Speaker 4: more I don't know if he caught Reggie or had
Speaker 4: more y. He had a great season.
Speaker 1: That's something that I think people need to do more
Speaker 1: now on today's game. It's like, sure, just try to
Speaker 1: wear that dude out. I used to do like blocking
Speaker 1: like people was like, why did you finish so much?
Speaker 1: Because I know I'm in a little bit better shape.
Speaker 1: And like this guy who's really talented, if I can
Speaker 1: get him on the ground a couple of times, get
Speaker 1: that jersey dirty, he gets a little I heard it does.
Speaker 3: And now I guess what, you catch that slint and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tack you and I slide down your bio.
Speaker 2: You know what, I hate it?
Speaker 4: And this for them dbs that did it to me,
Speaker 4: so they do just so happened to listen to our part.
Speaker 4: I remember having a guy that talked messed about me.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't said to.
Speaker 2: Me personally, said it to somebody else. And I get
Speaker 2: in the game with him. You know how you say
Speaker 2: you have people circle. Yeah, he was boy. I knew
Speaker 2: he was playing that team. I didn't really care about it.
Speaker 2: I say, if he on that team at the time
Speaker 2: we get there, I'm gonna get it. I won't. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna block him. I'm gonna out round him.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show him every play while you don't speak
Speaker 4: my name up like that in bank and Bro.
Speaker 2: When I say I got there, we was in.
Speaker 4: It was I was backside like I was going to
Speaker 4: get a stay your turnaround smart, I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking, what's up?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: You're good? Want to give me?
Speaker 4: You know the patter in the back all right? Not
Speaker 4: a family boy, Ain't no family boy. It's just every
Speaker 4: play I was doing something at him. So now I'm
Speaker 4: front side. I'm blocking good now man, he goneat he down,
Speaker 4: bir stopped telling me, I'm good. This is an all
Speaker 4: day thing. This is no negotiat, but they got to
Speaker 4: the point to where I saw I said, now I
Speaker 4: got him. He now I knew it was just talk,
Speaker 4: So now I got you want me my friend. So
Speaker 4: by the time I've had six and seven catches on him,
Speaker 4: he's so funny helping me about the ground. I said,
Speaker 4: you took his soul out because at that point you
Speaker 4: said something that he didn't even know. He cut me,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to tried me. So
Speaker 4: I was waiting for him. I didn't say nothing back.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to send no messages bas So I'm
Speaker 4: gona see him when I see him.
Speaker 3: That you you remember David Boston, right, yea, the evil man,
Speaker 3: David Boss.
Speaker 2: If y'all know, he was six three, like two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty pounds.
Speaker 3: Social you have to say then, when I told him
Speaker 3: before the game, I was like, humans don't grow this
Speaker 3: beg and he he looked at me.
Speaker 2: He had these red contexts context I like, is you
Speaker 2: the damn Are you trying to pretend to be the devil.
Speaker 3: He's like, no, I'm one the damn devil, and I
Speaker 3: get They tossed the sweep the first play. He cut me,
Speaker 3: like they play ain't even on the outside. I'm trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, take my break it. He cut me from
Speaker 3: the back. Oh my god, I said, dude, don't nobody
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 2: He said, I do it. I'm gonna do it for foe. Man,
Speaker 2: I got some blocking battle.
Speaker 1: What didn't do?
Speaker 2: I like, you wasn't winning that back with him? Too
Speaker 2: strong body building man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was sick, dude, He's he's a six dude. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I should have said we should get back to the schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had a fan.
Speaker 5: As a fan, I gotta jump and ask a question.
Speaker 5: Have you ever Fred? I know you've probably been on
Speaker 5: the opposite side of this batanna. Have you ever had
Speaker 5: somebody trash talking you during the game and then they
Speaker 5: just say something that's like funny and you're like, I
Speaker 5: should be mad at you.
Speaker 1: But that was pretty good.
Speaker 4: You know, it's so crazy appropriate before you said no,
Speaker 4: But so I'm gonna ask you the question first. No,
Speaker 4: I never had anybody, but I got a little I
Speaker 4: guess you said. I got to say a little nugget
Speaker 4: from a from a teammate that told me, Hey, man,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you do this, but you know
Speaker 4: what I do is going to media Guide and I
Speaker 4: read what they're who their family members are, and I
Speaker 4: get the girlfriend name and I say the girlfriend name, and.
Speaker 2: Bro, I swear to god, I never used it.
Speaker 4: But there was a guy that got on my nerves
Speaker 4: in college and he went to saying something before the game,
Speaker 4: like he talked.
Speaker 2: He didn't get up my nerve when it came to
Speaker 2: us playing. It's just he talks.
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, hey, how Felicia, if you're
Speaker 4: talking about seeing somebody just like hard almost leave their chesty.
Speaker 2: Me, how you know, Felicia, Hey, hey check this out. No, bro,
Speaker 2: we'll talk later, we'll talk.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about and it's a rap that's talking about
Speaker 4: like and I didn't know who the girl was. I
Speaker 4: didn't know who how much, But sixty minutes this man
Speaker 4: asked me about that.
Speaker 2: Girl out his game.
Speaker 1: Hey live.
Speaker 2: That's what I did in college with this dot com.
Speaker 2: That's what I told you.
Speaker 3: I supposed to be on a Twitter not even months
Speaker 3: swoopsm dot com. I gained information from the student body
Speaker 3: and I found out girlfriends sisters, and I weaponized it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about to the team. I'm glad no one
Speaker 2: ever used that to you.
Speaker 4: Know, use that me because I could just imagine like
Speaker 4: I felt bad after I said it.
Speaker 2: But that was the other guy too. He was like, man,
Speaker 2: this guy always talking.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say somebody's mama, or I'm gonna say somebody's check.
Speaker 1: I saw I saw a Naws do that once, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was just the guy's face was just like he
Speaker 1: was like kind of all up in his face. And
Speaker 1: I said something about his old lady and then it
Speaker 1: was just like it was over.
Speaker 2: And I just was like, they go, they go, Dorman
Speaker 2: on you. I've done it minute time.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 2: It's like whatever I can do to rattle you.
Speaker 1: Apparently that works pretty well. It does, all right. So
Speaker 1: the other thing, back to schedule. I know we took
Speaker 1: a little digression there, but that's always fun.
Speaker 2: We didn't really care about the schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, late by again this time? Do we care?
Speaker 1: Is that a big deal.
Speaker 2: I'm just tired of it.
Speaker 3: I'm just tired of because it seemed like this, let's
Speaker 3: sit there to watch the team up for Fie. Let's
Speaker 3: get him a buy in week seventeen, Like no, man,
Speaker 3: I wish that the bye was week seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 3: something that can get these guys.
Speaker 1: I need it.
Speaker 4: I need a break, Let me get away. I think
Speaker 4: I don't really get too caught up into it. I
Speaker 4: feel like now that we cover the team, it's more
Speaker 4: to talk about. As a player, you kind of you
Speaker 4: notice it and you be like, damn what you look
Speaker 4: at and and say, hey, bright side is if I
Speaker 4: can make it to this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I got, But you don't want to be on the road,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's the only thing about it, Like,
Speaker 4: if you make it to that point, you're not hoping
Speaker 4: that you're doing bad, but you're hoping I.
Speaker 2: Need a break. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to see the team flourishing at
Speaker 4: the top of that, you know, at the peak of
Speaker 4: their game, everything is clicking, and then they say here's
Speaker 4: the bye week, because that could be detrimentaly, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So hopefully it works out well.
Speaker 3: So the question is, also I think that by comes
Speaker 3: after a Thursday night game, two days, two.
Speaker 1: Weeks after two weeks afterwards game is I think we
Speaker 1: could eleven And.
Speaker 2: So they're trying to say that that Thursday night, so
Speaker 2: they extended.
Speaker 1: But last year ear Last year, the Commanders had a
Speaker 1: I think it was the Thursday night game, week eight,
Speaker 1: which makes more sense because it's kind of right smack
Speaker 1: dab in the middle. You get that little bye week there,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different schedule. All their breaks
Speaker 1: kind of come later in the season.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be interesting also just how the coaches,
Speaker 4: you know, notice what's going on with that, and just
Speaker 4: say how they kind of conduct things throughout the week,
Speaker 4: you know, each and every week.
Speaker 1: Said, but I'm really glad you about that point about
Speaker 1: the late bye, because I remember being like we had
Speaker 1: a late bye. I forget we had this conversation was
Speaker 1: like two thousand and third, whatever, thousand and two whatever.
Speaker 1: I was playing pretty good and I didn't want to leave.
Speaker 1: I was like I was in like I was in
Speaker 1: like a groove, yeah, saying I understood my week was set,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's just play the rest of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, before we move on, what you can
Speaker 4: do as a player. I did this before, especially with
Speaker 4: the Jets. I was a young pup. We had a
Speaker 4: late by, and I'm just starting to feel like I'm
Speaker 4: a part of the team now, Like I it took
Speaker 4: me a while, I got hurried out the gate. So
Speaker 4: I'm starting to feel myself. When everybody left, I stay
Speaker 4: right there. I came back to Price, I came to
Speaker 4: the facility every day. I caught passes from Chad Pennington
Speaker 4: and like we did things individually that when we went
Speaker 4: the next week, I scored my first touchdown. So I'm like, look,
Speaker 4: that's by I took advantage of it by staying in
Speaker 4: town and just putting the work in.
Speaker 2: And I want I like the fact that.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever in my whole career took
Speaker 3: a vacation on the bath. I don't think I ever
Speaker 3: left out doing it. I started doing it, I just
Speaker 3: never did it.
Speaker 2: Like I just I feel like I know me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if I get in a certain mode, it's over.
Speaker 3: When I showed back up, I got a Sam brenro
Speaker 3: on it like, smook, we got weeks.
Speaker 2: No, No, you might not show back up.
Speaker 3: That's what's gonna happen. They might be looking for you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, don't you do that to yourself. So
Speaker 3: I would just shield smart.
Speaker 1: The other thing I get a lot when we're talking
Speaker 1: schedule released is predicting games. Yeah, and I think that
Speaker 1: is maybe, Like it's what I'm saying. It's a fun
Speaker 1: thing to do with sockymore run, but you can't do it.
Speaker 1: It's so early in the offseason to predict these games,
Speaker 1: like everyone's like, who's gonna win Week six against.
Speaker 2: We don't know who's even played. Like, you know, I
Speaker 2: was so disgusted with us saying we was gonna be
Speaker 2: ten and seven last week.
Speaker 1: Don't be discussed Like no, I was discussed.
Speaker 4: Because that was all of us together and it was
Speaker 4: about seven mold losses. I wanted to give us, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like I'm just being real, like
Speaker 4: because you really.
Speaker 2: Don't know, so I won't them top prove me wrong,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm just talking. But we
Speaker 2: don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 3: We might have played the game, but every season is different,
Speaker 3: every game is different, and do teams change and.
Speaker 2: Fluctuate by quarters? That's what I say, because you gotta.
Speaker 1: Go every four games it's a new team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it's just one of those things where
Speaker 3: it don't matter to us when game at a time.
Speaker 1: Producergation did a great job, Like think about this last
Speaker 1: week Week one we played there as on our Cardinals yeah.
Speaker 1: Last year Josha Yeah, Josh Jobs was starting. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was even on the team later in the year, right,
Speaker 1: the Giants past or not? Yeah, Giants week seven, Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor a little surprised there, and then the Giants week eleven.
Speaker 1: Who else, Tommy DeVito that was not on my big
Speaker 1: go card. So when people say people like tell you,
Speaker 1: tell me to be those late games in the year,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't even know who's gonna be playing.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: Spencer Rattler might be quarterbacking for the Cowboys week seventeen.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these teams have a they've got
Speaker 1: new peak players, yeah, but being probably more importantly and
Speaker 1: probably should be A they have new coordinators. Yes, offensive
Speaker 1: and defensive coordinators. And as we've seen over the last
Speaker 1: probably five or six years in the NFL, those coordinators
Speaker 1: drastically impact the effectiveness. Hey do they do?
Speaker 2: So I think it's always good for the sake of conversation.
Speaker 2: You know, Bob Shop, He's great, good Biba Shop.
Speaker 4: Because if because I get caught up in the whole,
Speaker 4: like I got friends that would call me ready to debate,
Speaker 4: and they know I'm not a debater, I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 4: I don' want it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bro, And they be like thinking that.
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy that thought too, because Tanny, you
Speaker 2: played in the league, you know this. I still don't know.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? I don't know what
Speaker 2: do you mean? What I think about it? And it's
Speaker 2: just funny, so I think now.
Speaker 4: So just having this platform and us having this opportunities
Speaker 4: to kind of chime in on some of this stuff,
Speaker 4: it's interesting just to see our take or here our take.
Speaker 4: But Bro, as a player, if someone would have said
Speaker 4: that and I'm watching that show, I'm like, they get.
Speaker 2: Off the damn screen. You don't know the hell you're
Speaker 2: talking about because you really don't know. But one is
Speaker 2: full of optimism and one is full of because a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: Times we bury it in the ground again. So that's
Speaker 3: why when we get these predictions, everybody wants to look
Speaker 3: on the bright side, like a cup half full, not
Speaker 3: cup half.
Speaker 4: I always got to kick out of the person that
Speaker 4: told us or said that I wasn't gonna do something.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: That was what you like that?
Speaker 4: When I heard that, I'm like, okay, bingo, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: can turn the TV off now, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to, I don't go to I don't
Speaker 2: gotta be told anything else.
Speaker 3: And then imagine this world podcasters. Imagine people getting on
Speaker 3: TV and talking about you at your job and say,
Speaker 3: you know what, Cindy, Oh my gosh, I think we're
Speaker 3: gonna trade her to IBM. We'll trade her to IBM next.
Speaker 3: As matter of fact, her skills are starting to deplete.
Speaker 1: My dad. I used to tell my dad this, like,
Speaker 1: imagine you come in, you had a bad game, not game,
Speaker 1: tough game on Sunday Monday. You come in, they got
Speaker 1: a bunch of tight ends working out. Imagine you've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of people like that in your job, you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe not come in and all of a sudden, take
Speaker 3: Cody is sitting in the lobby.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, so that's how But see, that's the thing
Speaker 2: about it. Folks fail to realize.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the things about our life, you know,
Speaker 4: and especially just me my position. I go, I get drafted,
Speaker 4: I mean I get traded here in two thousand and five,
Speaker 4: have the season of all seasons, one of my best seasons,
Speaker 4: and then the next next year they bring in two
Speaker 4: other guys that I know, Rendu l and Brandan Lloyd,
Speaker 4: and paying the same.
Speaker 2: Money in there, like we are not the same.
Speaker 1: What the hell? I didn't know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So if you're if you're wired to worry about that,
Speaker 2: you're not fit for this. I literally had to be like,
Speaker 2: all right, come on, bring it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's every year.
Speaker 4: That's why I never looked at the you know, our
Speaker 4: draft stuff when I was playing this game.
Speaker 2: I didn't know who we drafted and what you thinking
Speaker 2: about this guy? Who is that y'all just drafted the
Speaker 2: first round? I see him in practice? I don't know,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is me. I'm a draft guy, so
Speaker 2: I pretty much knew everybody day we drafted.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the schedule. If you want to see our
Speaker 1: kind of full thoughts, our predictions, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: make sure you check out the schedule Elease special on
Speaker 1: the Commander's YouTube page. And now let's talk about something
Speaker 1: that I'm excited to talk about because I think it's
Speaker 1: important is OTAs. Let's talk about OTAs. So let's just
Speaker 1: talk about the off season schedule. So after two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven, with the new CBA. They basically changed the
Speaker 1: off season structure. So there's Phase one, which is just
Speaker 1: like lifting weights. You can meet with your coaches, install
Speaker 1: and there's no field time. That's what the meetings are, right.
Speaker 1: It's kind of laying the foundation for the end of
Speaker 1: Phase two, which is you can lift and run, but
Speaker 1: now there's meeting time with the coaches and you have
Speaker 1: an hour limit in the building. Now. Phase three is OTAs,
Speaker 1: which is actual practice, own field practice, right, and practice
Speaker 1: from when we did OTAs has changed pretty dramatically. It
Speaker 1: basically used to be like a full speed practice, but
Speaker 1: you just had helmets on, and when I first got
Speaker 1: in the league, we wore past Yeah, so obviously that's
Speaker 1: changed completely now because now they're out there for an
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes and they're getting good work done.
Speaker 1: I'm not smirching that anyway, but it just the structure
Speaker 1: is a little bit different. However, the thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about is that's all football time. They're installing
Speaker 1: the offense. So do you guys remember that from your
Speaker 1: time here and kind of what is an install and
Speaker 1: how does that go?
Speaker 4: You know, And just to chime in a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was throwed off when I saw that practice, how
Speaker 4: different it was from practice the other day I was watching.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we ain't gonna break up individually and do
Speaker 2: some of you And then it was over. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: something going on. Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 4: But just to get back to what you asked, I
Speaker 4: had to deal with a lot of different offenses. So
Speaker 4: this time of the year was always It played an
Speaker 4: integral part of my preparation for the season. Like I
Speaker 4: really had to dive in and say, okay, new offense,
Speaker 4: how are you going to take on this?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So I was, man, this is what I used to
Speaker 4: enjoy coming here, to put my time in and get
Speaker 4: home and get to my couch to watch TV. Because
Speaker 4: I know when I get here it's all work. It's
Speaker 4: all getting used to something new. And even if I
Speaker 4: didn't know it, even if it was us, it wasn't new.
Speaker 4: I want to learn something else about the offense, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like I told you, I always
Speaker 4: share with you guys that I was more worried about
Speaker 4: myself than anybody else. But once I had me down,
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna dive in to see what Logan got
Speaker 4: to do. Now I'm a dive in and see what
Speaker 4: CP do in the backfield or whoever it may be.
Speaker 4: So I pay you close attention to these times this
Speaker 4: time of year because I feel like you can get
Speaker 4: ahead of the curve by getting all that information.
Speaker 2: In right now.
Speaker 3: Listen, I played for so many different coordinators and head
Speaker 3: coaches that I had to be here for OTA because
Speaker 3: I had to learn the whole new defense year in
Speaker 3: and year out. And the scary thing about new coaches
Speaker 3: is do I fit they scheme?
Speaker 2: That's always your thing.
Speaker 3: So once I found out who my coordinators is, I
Speaker 3: remember marvel Lewis, we hired him, I went write, start watching.
Speaker 2: I want to see what was they doing in Baltimore?
Speaker 2: What were they doing here? What were they doing to see?
Speaker 2: Do I fit they scheme? Hell.
Speaker 3: The only time that I almost felt like I didn't
Speaker 3: is when we signed Mike Tomlin when I was in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Him is our defensive coordinator, and I knew I feel
Speaker 3: to play a majority of Cover two, which I could
Speaker 3: play Cover two, but hey, I like to play man
Speaker 3: and man.
Speaker 2: I like responsibility.
Speaker 3: So all that off season I tried to pack on
Speaker 3: a couple of pounds because I know I'm now part
Speaker 3: of the run front. But I also said, you know what,
Speaker 3: let me get used to like literally get my jam
Speaker 3: down pack.
Speaker 4: Like you know what my goal was too, And I'm
Speaker 4: glad you brought that up. Talking about fitting a scheme
Speaker 4: like I had a thing. And it's crazy as I
Speaker 4: think about announcer more so than I did back then
Speaker 4: when I was younger or when I was playing, I
Speaker 4: wanted to say I had a successful season with every
Speaker 4: coach and like you know, you want to put them
Speaker 4: all together every year you want to have a successful season.
Speaker 4: But I looked at success in my position was don't
Speaker 4: get me wrong, if you had a great If you
Speaker 4: had a good year by just being productive leading your team,
Speaker 4: that's good. Successful me was like man thousand yards Pro Bowl,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, being a being a contender,
Speaker 4: you know, being a guy that could have you know
Speaker 4: been in there, you know, got to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 4: or you know, got into the playoffs. And I look
Speaker 4: at it, so the jests I had herm that was
Speaker 4: that was one head coach here. I had Gibbs, first
Speaker 4: had Zor, then I ended up having Mic and I
Speaker 4: had Jay to leave out the door. Jay was the
Speaker 4: only guy I really didn't play for that was my
Speaker 4: last year he I was J came and and I
Speaker 4: left the next year. But all those other four coaches,
Speaker 4: I was putting up numbers in every different office, and
Speaker 4: you know, you just brought something back to mine. I
Speaker 4: never looked at the offenses as I couldn't be successful
Speaker 4: in them. I just wanted to get into it and
Speaker 4: fire your and find my niche like, what is it
Speaker 4: going that I'm going.
Speaker 2: To be able to do well here?
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because the I guess I could say
Speaker 4: the later in my years, which I learned this in college.
Speaker 4: Me and Reggie used to switch positions all the time
Speaker 4: just to trick guys who who you know, who's going
Speaker 4: to be basically diving in Santana's going to be Z
Speaker 4: or he's going to be in the slot. I can
Speaker 4: play every position if they allowed me to, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, certain offensive schemes you here. But Mike
Speaker 4: started letting me play every position, and you know, Coach
Speaker 4: Gibbs had me everywhere.
Speaker 2: He didn't care. Yeah, New York had me just at Z,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So you know that's what I always found a success
Speaker 4: in and like just making sure that no matter who
Speaker 4: offense it is, coming in here, no matter what coach,
Speaker 4: I want to have a great year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And yeah, just to kind of give some
Speaker 1: more like those are great stories, but you give some
Speaker 1: more like kind of specific context. So like in phase one,
Speaker 1: you're probably talking about huddle, you're talking about cadence, you're
Speaker 1: talking about kind of offensive, high level philosophy. Phase two
Speaker 1: you might actually start putting in some places because you're
Speaker 1: on the field. You're gonna do routes on there, You're
Speaker 1: gonna do kind of situational football. Probably installed two minutes,
Speaker 1: and then phase three you're probably on like your fourth
Speaker 1: and fifth install by then, right, Which makes it tough
Speaker 1: for the rookies to come in because they got to
Speaker 1: catch up with everything.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's gonna make it tough for
Speaker 3: them because of them divided sal I'm on sale. I'm
Speaker 3: like we talked about it. He's not doing one on
Speaker 3: ones like I used to love one on ones.
Speaker 1: We received those are that minichemra.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but I also understand that they ain't real,
Speaker 3: Like it's so not real, Like it ain't no feel
Speaker 3: that me and town are gonna get on and it's
Speaker 3: just meet him in the quarterback.
Speaker 2: He got a hundred yards the work. It's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to get a lot from that.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the more team
Speaker 3: stuff they do, I think, the more mental reps did
Speaker 3: these younger guys get. And I think then what they did,
Speaker 3: I think they took some of the physicality out and say,
Speaker 3: let's go more mental so to make sure these guys
Speaker 3: got a mental chance when in my day they weren't
Speaker 3: caring about your mental chance.
Speaker 2: Your mental chance was your responsibility.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, like and then it was way more
Speaker 1: physical too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: So it's been fun to go watch the dueling seven
Speaker 1: on seven practices. That's been a lot of fun and
Speaker 1: it's just cool to see how they've progressed with all
Speaker 1: that stuff. The other thing I just wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about real quick is young guys, young guys with veterans.
Speaker 1: So the first day we were out there or not,
Speaker 1: rookiemitted camp, but the first ot A day, you know,
Speaker 1: we saw Luke and Luke McCaffrey and Terry mclaurran talk
Speaker 1: to each other. They're kind of in the same line, right.
Speaker 1: Johnny Newton has talked about how excited is to work
Speaker 1: with Alan and Payne. You know, you see the impact
Speaker 1: of Bobby Wagner, like how important is it having those
Speaker 1: older guys kind of mentoring some of these younger you know,
Speaker 1: Jordan McGee. Bobby Wagner talked about that out of time,
Speaker 1: like these younger guys and kind of saying, this is
Speaker 1: how we do things, what it means to be.
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I think you know it all.
Speaker 4: It's I guess you can say to each his own too,
Speaker 4: because if you if you were a guy that's really
Speaker 4: about ball, you might not even need that conversation, just
Speaker 4: the way you watch the game. Like I was a
Speaker 4: guy that I took every and from every every piece
Speaker 4: of information you got for me.
Speaker 2: I took it. I took it, I took it in,
Speaker 2: I absorbed it. But I was watching you regardless.
Speaker 4: I was gonna know what I had to do by
Speaker 4: the guy in front of me, or even even if
Speaker 4: even if I wasn't a guy behind anybody.
Speaker 2: If I did something, I was gonna make sure that
Speaker 2: I was studied up. I was, I was all.
Speaker 4: I was prepared enough to go out there and make
Speaker 4: sure I did it right. But when I was sitting
Speaker 4: on my knee watching the other groups go, I'm watching
Speaker 4: that guy who's been here longer or who's been the
Speaker 4: lead longer. So when I was in New York, I had,
Speaker 4: you know, Lavernie is he had just been there pre
Speaker 4: he just got there the year before.
Speaker 2: But he was, he was.
Speaker 4: He was to the point to where it's crazy. I
Speaker 4: want to shut this real quick. I remember going home
Speaker 4: after mini camp, my first mini camp. So he'll be
Speaker 4: around this time of the time of the year. And
Speaker 4: my receiver coach like, so, who looks good out of
Speaker 4: their receiver. Who's gonna be the best received on the team.
Speaker 4: I said, Remind you know, I'm the first round pick.
Speaker 4: I said, Man, Lavernia is cold, not even in the
Speaker 4: rotation like he's fourth or fifth. He's the best received
Speaker 4: on the team. And you know, my wide receiver coach,
Speaker 4: he's like what I said, Man, l C got it, Coach,
Speaker 4: I get hurt.
Speaker 2: That year, they wanted they wanted Matthew Hatchett to be
Speaker 2: the start and Z. They wanted Hatchet to be disease.
Speaker 4: They wanted you know, Wayne comes back to stay, to
Speaker 4: stay his position or vice versus. They want to have
Speaker 4: you to be the X and Wayne bet to be
Speaker 4: the Z and Coles kind of went in there and
Speaker 4: spoke up like, man, I need to get a chance
Speaker 4: to play. If you ain't gonna let me play, then
Speaker 4: then then trade me and they game opportunity. They ain't
Speaker 4: never looked back. And my receiver coach told me, say,
Speaker 4: you knew what you was talking about, so get back
Speaker 4: to the story. And I had to say that because
Speaker 4: Cole showed me a lot of stuff watching him LC.
Speaker 4: I took something from every guy who was already there.
Speaker 4: You know, I got here. I had David Patton, I
Speaker 4: had Thrash, you know what I mean, those guys with
Speaker 4: integral parts and me just watching them as veterans. You know,
Speaker 4: even though I was the guy, I remember trying to
Speaker 4: push everything to them, and David pat was like ten
Speaker 4: or no, you the guy that paid you to be
Speaker 4: the guy, so speak up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, no, I ain't evenna do that. So
Speaker 2: this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go out
Speaker 2: here and do what I do in the field and
Speaker 2: watch me.
Speaker 4: I always watched those guys who was basically who had
Speaker 4: I guess you can say more of a tender than me,
Speaker 4: you know, I think.
Speaker 2: It's it's good to have any brain trust.
Speaker 3: Like they say, if you can, if you can have
Speaker 3: an old person's mind in a young person's body, that's
Speaker 3: the perfect human being. So the one thing I had,
Speaker 3: I had a luxury nobody else in the NFL probably
Speaker 3: ever had.
Speaker 2: I made it to a dB room with three yellow
Speaker 2: jackets in.
Speaker 3: It, all playing my position them before I and I
Speaker 3: and we talking about Op five six rushmore guy. We're
Speaker 3: talking about Darryl Green, the US sada's Chump Bailey. But
Speaker 3: I do remember, because I do. I'm a sponge. I
Speaker 3: watch everything, and I'm sitting there watching Darryl. One day
Speaker 3: he just backpaling it this lift chopping.
Speaker 1: There's a clip around here, and that's how you when
Speaker 1: we black couldn't believe it's just these these steps. And
Speaker 1: he was like super high hip, like standing straight up
Speaker 1: because he's not that talk.
Speaker 3: We did one on one and Prime not practicing. He's
Speaker 3: told her and he's seen me do it was chop.
Speaker 3: He said, come in, don't you ever ever try to
Speaker 3: mimic that again? I like why he's like only Daryl Green,
Speaker 3: Darren Green. Everything about what he doing is incorrect, Like,
Speaker 3: why what you mean he like, look at how he is.
Speaker 2: Look at him chopping steps. You don't want do that.
Speaker 3: Your legs too long, No, you got to mimic people.
Speaker 3: That's more like your body tight. Indeed, you gotta realize
Speaker 3: what make this guy special won't make you special.
Speaker 2: Learning that leadership that's great, man, that's that was great
Speaker 2: insight too. I mean, just think about it. How I
Speaker 2: can't say we immature, but we oblivious to We don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know nothing but the world.
Speaker 4: You're trying to just say, man, okay, that's that's how
Speaker 4: you do it. But then you find out, like it's
Speaker 4: almost like when we were talking the other day. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if we had this conversation together or with
Speaker 4: someone else I was talking to. When you're in college
Speaker 4: and you know they giving you all this food training table,
Speaker 4: you got this food. And I remember being around Andre Johnson.
Speaker 4: You know he's young, he two years younger than me,
Speaker 4: but we both receiver us. And I remember I had
Speaker 4: a strict die after I broke my jaw. Came to
Speaker 4: the point that I wasn't eating no no kind of
Speaker 4: red meant. I was trying to eat light as possible
Speaker 4: because I found out the weight I was at when
Speaker 4: I came off, the broken jaw was me, this is
Speaker 4: where I want to stay at. And I saw Drake
Speaker 4: throw down this damn two whoppers and fry and drink
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there like, damn gonna treat myself today,
Speaker 4: I felt like, And then I see this creature, this
Speaker 4: beast of a man. Yes, go out here at eighteen
Speaker 4: years old up talking about it was nothing to him.
Speaker 4: He went out there and ran one teams after that,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, I can't do what he does.
Speaker 2: We all want different, but that's just how you are
Speaker 2: as a you know, it's like quick to identify, you
Speaker 2: need to identify who you are.
Speaker 1: Yeh yeah, No, absolutely, And it's I think it's so important.
Speaker 1: Like one of the things about the last regime that
Speaker 1: I always had a hard time with. It's like they
Speaker 1: come in and they let Ryan Carrogan go. When they
Speaker 1: bring in Chase Young, they bring in Montes Sweat, like.
Speaker 2: They don't need somebody to grow up.
Speaker 1: You need that guy in the room. And I don't
Speaker 1: care if they're the best football player, but you need
Speaker 1: someone to kind of saynt. This is how we respect
Speaker 1: the coach, This is how we take notes this is
Speaker 1: how we you know, that that stuff that you don't
Speaker 1: learn from a coach.
Speaker 3: And that's why I wish Bobby Wagner was here two
Speaker 3: three years ago, because that locker room needed somebody to say,
Speaker 3: sit down, sit down, sit down, you've done nothing.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 4: They didn't have anybody, and they was leaning on Allen,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And not to say that
Speaker 4: he wasn't a man fit for the job, but we
Speaker 4: talked about it.
Speaker 1: He was young, and I think it's I think so
Speaker 1: that's why I think like all the all of these
Speaker 1: like young to old relationships like Luke McCaffrey, Teramnor and
Speaker 1: all these guys. Austin Eckler for the running backs is
Speaker 1: just going to be so incredibly important. The other thing
Speaker 1: I've noticed when you watch OTA practice is just how
Speaker 1: locked in Jade Daniels is, Like he is ready to.
Speaker 2: Go, no bs, He's literally out there to work.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that's come out about
Speaker 1: him is this VR training stuff, virtual reality training, so
Speaker 1: basically they take the oculus, which is that kind of cool,
Speaker 1: you know, virtual reality.
Speaker 3: He's sitting in the locker room, I'm sitting in the
Speaker 3: living room out date with it all blind and why
Speaker 3: don't you do I see him throwing get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so basically that that thing is pretty cool, I
Speaker 1: know if you guys, but it's it's it's like totallyculus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so when you look around, it kind of puts you there.
Speaker 1: So this German company for him when he was at
Speaker 1: Ye l s U, and now the commanders are using
Speaker 1: that same company here. They input stadiums and they were
Speaker 1: able to input d fences and able to input offenses.
Speaker 1: So he's able to kind of sit there with this
Speaker 1: oculus on get a rep. But it's a real rep
Speaker 1: because it's against a real defense. So one of the
Speaker 1: things you're always chasing as a football player is how
Speaker 1: do I So you watch film, right, but there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's a disconnect, right because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to kind of if I'm blocking a six,
Speaker 1: I gotta he's right over my head. Oh but he
Speaker 1: plays it a little bit tighter and you don't get
Speaker 1: to see the spacing exactly, so you're always kind of
Speaker 1: projecting that he gets the exact spacing. Now, it's really
Speaker 1: hard because you have to input a ton of plays
Speaker 1: to get these reactions and get these things, but in
Speaker 1: terms of him being able to pick up this offense
Speaker 1: so quickly like a he's studying a ton on his own.
Speaker 1: But I think this is such a cool tool to
Speaker 1: put these guys in the cauld You imagine and you're like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I get the coverage rotation in my VR headset. I
Speaker 1: don't even need to put the film on it here.
Speaker 3: It is these I think they're gonna take it to
Speaker 3: the next line. I mean, can we always see technology
Speaker 3: meet sports? It always happens. Think about it, just something
Speaker 3: lit like a video game, like man, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean people didn't learn how to read a playbook from
Speaker 3: playing sad And again.
Speaker 1: My first year in college, I learned more from Madden,
Speaker 1: just in terms of like basic coverages. Yes, because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is what he's talking about covering too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I totally agree.
Speaker 3: So now imagine getting it with doubt that that they
Speaker 3: press on your nie. Imagine getting it rip and being like, oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't see that last time. Let me let me
Speaker 3: rewind this right, we like, So it's that visual rep
Speaker 3: that I think that's gonna take them to the next level.
Speaker 2: Was making the quarterbacks better today and early ready to play.
Speaker 3: They did a thousand reps and sell on Selvy in
Speaker 3: high school and college, so passing the ball is second
Speaker 3: nature to them. When I came out, uh as good
Speaker 3: as Peyton Manning was, he didn't pass about fifty times
Speaker 3: a game at Tennessee Like, so this reps were so
Speaker 3: far and in between that they had to get him
Speaker 3: exactly right every time.
Speaker 2: I think this give them time to fail before they succeed.
Speaker 1: So like I was at the combine and I was
Speaker 1: at a bar and I bumped into the sky normal dude,
Speaker 1: and I find out he runs like the VR program
Speaker 1: for LSU. Yeah, and so we started talking and we
Speaker 1: should see if we can get him on really good dude,
Speaker 1: just try to get him on here. So we'll keep
Speaker 1: that in the loop of guests. But anyway, he was
Speaker 1: saying in a week, I said, how many you know, like,
Speaker 1: how many more reps is he getting a week? Like
Speaker 1: are we talking here? He's like anywhere from two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty to three hundred reps a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you think about it. In a practice, you're out
Speaker 1: of practice. You're getting about thirty reps, forty reps maybe
Speaker 1: if you're throwing the football ton and that's over the
Speaker 1: course of five days, you know what I mean. There
Speaker 1: are four days, so that's one hundred and twenty reps.
Speaker 1: So you're trippling. Yeah, your repping take and.
Speaker 2: Are you resting?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not, like you're not putting, You're not a
Speaker 1: deserting energy. So to me, it's like it's like cheating.
Speaker 2: No, No, it is.
Speaker 4: I think it's dope because one I never heard of
Speaker 4: is I heard about the little virtual.
Speaker 2: Reality thing, but I just didn't know to what extent.
Speaker 2: But I do recall.
Speaker 4: It's crazy you bring up MAD. I wasn't big and
Speaker 4: mad playing. I will play it with my kids or
Speaker 4: something like that. And I caught on to it one day.
Speaker 2: I was like, hold on, do they have the real
Speaker 2: coverages on here?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: So I get in the game one day and like,
Speaker 4: I literally was running our plays just to see the coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just to see the coverage from the other teams. Yes,
Speaker 4: And I wanted to see tannel when you're gonna be
Speaker 4: opening this coverage? Yeah, when you're gonna be.
Speaker 2: Opening and I am the door. Promise to God it works.
Speaker 2: I worked.
Speaker 4: I will literally see cover two and say oh this
Speaker 4: round here, I'm gonna be opening the scene. I would
Speaker 4: literally see how they played me in six and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: so we're gonna get four over here and get two
Speaker 4: on this side.
Speaker 2: So this guy gonna be I promise you. It elevated
Speaker 2: my game. It's giving you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, why why I didn't think of this before?
Speaker 4: But it was just because I'm watching the game one,
Speaker 4: I'm watching my kids. But I'm like a courage Yeah,
Speaker 4: I said run back, and then you ask Madden. You
Speaker 4: asked Madden for a coverage and they give it to you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, hell, now they got the same book.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I went on the game and started using I
Speaker 2: played with nothing but me and just try to find
Speaker 2: my way of curves taking you I raps different.
Speaker 4: But the reason I was doing reason why I thought
Speaker 4: it was so interesting because later in my later in
Speaker 4: my years of playing, I remember knowing everybody positioning like, hey,
Speaker 4: pr Is coming to you.
Speaker 2: Come on, Perre get ready and Pis come we come
Speaker 2: back to it up. You're like, now I knew what
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: I saw the rope, I saw the rotation of the coverage.
Speaker 4: I'm the dec I'm going I'm gonna slow, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take this guy. So you're coming in on the the
Speaker 4: one opening up, open it up.
Speaker 2: So it was mad and I was I was getting
Speaker 2: those repts beforehand, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But to that point, imagine if they could give you
Speaker 1: like so for example, everyone's running all these like a
Speaker 1: morphous like quarters like match coverages. But imagine being able
Speaker 1: to see that see it now like like the real
Speaker 1: like in Madden, it's all spot dress right, it's all
Speaker 1: over for cover two, cover three quarters like traditional quartershere
Speaker 1: the general spot That's incredibly helpful. I found it incredibly helpful.
Speaker 1: But now I can see what cover four match looks like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I see it meshes, I can see it
Speaker 3: mesh with these days.
Speaker 4: That's the difference that you not getting the man you
Speaker 4: got when you got the real rep because he going
Speaker 4: Nick level now with mixed level.
Speaker 2: It's just like when we played they want clocking as speed.
Speaker 3: I bet if they was clocking as speed, we wasn't
Speaker 3: blowing some of these speeds away because we was.
Speaker 2: We was running, dude, like we was, we was running.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you now, I'm telling you, I think I
Speaker 3: got the like thirty nine mile out one day.
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 2: Maryland pulled me over, gave me a speed said, you're right,
Speaker 2: you got one of the cars driving. You're like, so
Speaker 2: are you running over field doing step? Yes?
Speaker 1: I was, hey, man. So we've also watched two practices.
Speaker 1: We've watched the first day of Rookie Minty Camp or
Speaker 1: Rookie Rookie Minty Camp. Let me watched the first day
Speaker 1: o Tas. It's not a ton. I think they've had like,
Speaker 1: what is that five total practices? They got one today.
Speaker 1: Anybody obviously Jane Daniels stuck out, So let's just obviously
Speaker 1: he's stucking out, so we're going next to it him
Speaker 1: anybody else that You're like, man, this dude.
Speaker 3: Mike Davis somebody didn't Nobody thought about when we signed him.
Speaker 3: He was just a flake of a sign. I think
Speaker 3: people forget his veeran Steve. He's been around a long time.
Speaker 3: He started a lot about six years six years he
Speaker 3: started a lot of football, and I didn't know he
Speaker 3: was built like that.
Speaker 2: Dude when I saw him, I'm like.
Speaker 1: Dude, all the corners now Greek gods out there, you
Speaker 1: know Museum, the guy from Yet the State huge and
Speaker 1: then Benjamin Saint Juice tall, Like It's just like the
Speaker 1: whole body type has changed.
Speaker 4: I think a guy that stood that two guys stood up.
Speaker 4: I told you how much of a man crushed. I
Speaker 4: got on McGee, but not on just looking at him,
Speaker 4: but he ran. Jordan McGee ran around well and just
Speaker 4: to know what he has. You know, who knows when
Speaker 4: he's a fifth round draft and who knows what's going
Speaker 4: to be his future. But when you got guys in
Speaker 4: front of him like he do, Man, he's in a
Speaker 4: great position, you know what I mean. But the guy
Speaker 4: stood out too to me with Hampton seeing how big
Speaker 4: was take the position like man, he wan four five,
Speaker 4: but Joy came back five, you know I mean, I
Speaker 4: mean he can make it out of something.
Speaker 2: But bro, I just like his presence alone. And then
Speaker 2: he got to pick.
Speaker 4: I believe I got to pick in that first o
Speaker 4: TA practice and I was impressed with just you know,
Speaker 4: how he went after the ball and just moved round.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's one of the things that stands out
Speaker 4: more than anything because we've been watching these guys for years.
Speaker 2: The athletic ability of these guys this year is just
Speaker 2: like top cheered than what we had, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And it's scary because now we know we're
Speaker 2: gonna cut some good activities. Like this's what good teams do.
Speaker 2: They cut good players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, I think the thing about Hampton
Speaker 1: to he's the guy other guy that stuck out to me.
Speaker 1: He's so he's so like long arms, and he's tall,
Speaker 1: and he runs well. And you're like, man, that is
Speaker 1: like you drop you look up of like a dime linebacker,
Speaker 1: Like that is the guy when you look at what
Speaker 1: they did in Dallas, and it's like, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in a lot of dime with curse one guy
Speaker 1: like that and a guy that's not afraid to fit
Speaker 1: a run. Not a guy you got you feel good
Speaker 1: at coverage.
Speaker 2: And a guy that threads to blitz so when you
Speaker 2: see him, you're thinking hot route.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. The guy with the and if this
Speaker 1: is another thing that people are sleeping on, they've got
Speaker 1: all these guys with these crazy long arms, you know,
Speaker 1: and that clouds throwing windows. Yeah, you know that that
Speaker 1: makes it harder to throw the football. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that stuck out. I think Luke McCaffrey every time I
Speaker 1: watch that, I run around, I'm just like, you're considering
Speaker 1: you've only played receiver for two years, Like you are
Speaker 1: so polished, so competitive.
Speaker 2: I mean, he runs with this mixture of speed and power.
Speaker 2: All right, reminds me.
Speaker 3: Of it all over again. I'm watching his daddy. But
Speaker 3: do you remember one Taylor Jacob Taylor Jakers. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: body being the only thing about Taylor Jakers. And I
Speaker 3: don't want to I want you to finish this story.
Speaker 2: He was light on he was light on his toes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he would light but.
Speaker 1: That was an old head that Tennis said that lighter
Speaker 1: on his toe Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but but when Taylor would know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about, he would run with power and he would
Speaker 3: he would like go in the room, I mean weight
Speaker 3: room with Taylor Jacob and he would literally get to live.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish I could have had more years
Speaker 4: when he's a guy like he's one of those guys
Speaker 4: when you have young talent. Yeah, you wish you could
Speaker 4: have just like come, come come with me. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I wasn't at the state to doing
Speaker 4: that with nobody that time. This was my first year here.
Speaker 4: I was all about trying to establish yourself. But when
Speaker 4: I look back and I'm like, he was going so quick,
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, we brought Brandon Lloyd Gift.
Speaker 2: It broke all the intangibles, Man Bailey said.
Speaker 3: The years I split with Champ, out of all the
Speaker 3: receivers we practiced with, Taylor Jacob gave us the most giving.
Speaker 3: Not Rod Gardner, not Michael Richbrook, got none of these. Dude,
Speaker 3: Taylor Jacobs had a mixture of route. He would disappear
Speaker 3: when the lights came on.
Speaker 2: It didn't come on. It didn't trans see that so much.
Speaker 2: And you know, and you know what, guys don't know.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't understand it.
Speaker 4: And everybody's like, I say, this game, you you meet
Speaker 4: so many different guys and they make they make it
Speaker 4: happen in a in a zillion different ways.
Speaker 2: Everybody just can't walk out there and make a play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometime you need help, sometime you need to pray something.
Speaker 2: It's something.
Speaker 4: And I remember him trying to dibb and dab into
Speaker 4: every way and I and I remember looking at it like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's trying to find that one is going to help
Speaker 4: him beat this guy. All the time, because he'll show up.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the mom I want to I want
Speaker 4: to see him.
Speaker 2: Again, and then you don't. Then you don't see it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I know Jason and the guy.
Speaker 4: Honestly, bro like I used to see him, try to
Speaker 4: tap into different ways of finding that guy, and sometimes
Speaker 4: you just got to say this is who you are,
Speaker 4: Like whatever you did that day, do it again.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And they had to be
Speaker 2: the most frustrating thing for a coach to have a
Speaker 2: player that go up like this, said practice and beat
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. I remember, I remember hearing the coaches ask
Speaker 2: questions like, wow.
Speaker 3: Where you at, Like why won't he show up on here,
Speaker 3: get right in the game, run that route and drop
Speaker 3: that ball?
Speaker 4: And Practice wouldn't drop it, not one hands. I mean
Speaker 4: you see small my hands, it is huge, strong, and
Speaker 4: you'd be like god, Taylor, like he's not missing nothing,
Speaker 4: you got it, don't don't think about it.
Speaker 2: And I think it's overthinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a hundred percent right, you know,
Speaker 1: Like as a you know, people ask me about what's
Speaker 1: it like to be an undrafted free agent or whatever,
Speaker 1: a low drafted guy. There's a lot of pressure you
Speaker 1: put on yourself, just put yourself in a bad spot.
Speaker 1: But in terms of other guys that have stuck out
Speaker 1: to me, Frankie Luvu, I mean looks like a U.
Speaker 2: He looks so good and it folds.
Speaker 1: Looks like a dude, Jeremy Chin talking about we talk
Speaker 1: about big, long guys like I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always impressed him when he was out there run around.
Speaker 1: He had a pick on that day against Mariota. And
Speaker 1: then two other guys. One is Bryson Tremaine's a guy.
Speaker 2: That you've been putting for. Bryson for like two years.
Speaker 1: He was a rookie last year, so it's impossible, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying like he he just like he's big. He
Speaker 1: looks different than the other receivers. Somebody just said that
Speaker 1: he's big. He's been making contested catches and and he's
Speaker 1: good on teams. So in terms of a guy that's
Speaker 1: like maybe like a I'm shot to make the roster
Speaker 1: if he keeps playing like this, that's a guy. And
Speaker 1: then Colston Yankov from my guy, Dude, this is my guy,
Speaker 1: way better than I expect.
Speaker 2: I told you about him.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you watched him though, because guess
Speaker 3: what he played for Little Millton University. But no, I
Speaker 3: looked up a lot of his past and I'm always
Speaker 3: intrigued when I see big guys play like four positions.
Speaker 4: This telling me you're so good at something that nobody
Speaker 4: knows where to play you at. And sometimes people don't
Speaker 4: grow into their body until they get to the league.
Speaker 4: Like we might have had a guy at wide receiver.
Speaker 4: It guy turns out to be a deepest man.
Speaker 3: This guy when you showed me you play the little
Speaker 3: quarterback and lit tight end and little tail back and
Speaker 3: like it's athlete right there.
Speaker 2: I want to watch him. Rogers look pretty good too.
Speaker 1: Our money. Yeah, I mean he looks the part.
Speaker 2: I mean he's just huge.
Speaker 1: He's like six seven, yeah, six six, he can run, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just.
Speaker 2: Like, how was he ever a quarterback in what universe?
Speaker 2: But I'm a quarterback? Do y'all remember like just the
Speaker 2: one season he had two years ago?
Speaker 4: He was like, we might got something we do, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? So I was, I was, I
Speaker 4: was pissed that we didn't have that last year. Man,
Speaker 4: But I'm hoping a guy like that, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be harder now with the tight endom and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I mean, hey, if you can make it, man,
Speaker 1: he can show what he showed like I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember having conversations with people from the old staff saying, all,
Speaker 1: we think he can play receipt and I was like,
Speaker 1: come on. Then he had that explosive screencat and yeah
Speaker 1: he's running people over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to go get my weird ast
Speaker 2: yank off shirt. This one weird ass yank all love it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rocket most definitely because I want him to
Speaker 2: make the team.
Speaker 1: So that's what we do it for the show. We
Speaker 1: do have one more practice that's open to the media
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, I'm gonna try and get out there.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are up to it. Yeah, try
Speaker 1: to get out there and watch practice, give you guys
Speaker 1: an update, and then we're gonna keep you posting on
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to do it, Fred, that's it.
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