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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one, and today

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Speaker 1: in the show, Dan, myself and Spencer new Hearth are

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Speaker 1: reviewing our favorite gear from the two thousand seventeen hunting

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Speaker 1: season and the latest and greatest new products at the

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen A t A Show. Okay, let's do

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Speaker 1: this then, Dan, Dan, I didn't hurt your feelings with

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Speaker 1: that Facebook review today? What you just called me dumb

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Speaker 1: right on social media? Okay? What you what are you

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Speaker 1: talking about? Spencer? Yeah? I ran it by Dan first.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I thought we were we

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Speaker 1: agreed on something else, man, not to actually insult my intelligence.

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Speaker 1: But like so we're talking about that time that when

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Speaker 1: we were posting updates on the A t A Show

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Speaker 1: on the Wired on Facebook page, Spencer you posted a

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Speaker 1: picture of Dan's four fingered hand up and I think,

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Speaker 1: what what did it say? Uh? The two thousand eighteen

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Speaker 1: model is much dumber and still if that was that

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Speaker 1: exactly what you put, I can't Yeah, sounds like it

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Speaker 1: all right, let's record so we get the good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh I've already been recording. So so welcome to Wired Hunt,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Siker Gear. And And as you've

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Speaker 1: heard today on the show, it's me, it's Dan Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and it's the Wired Hunt version of Erry White, Spencer

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Speaker 1: New Hearth, and we're talking about we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen a t A show. Uh, if you're

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Speaker 1: not familiar, this is the Archery Trade Association show that

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Speaker 1: happens every year where all the latest and greatest new

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Speaker 1: hunting gear is displayed. UM So we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: that a little bit. Dan was there, Spencer was there,

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Speaker 1: Spencer was slandering, Dan's good name there. Um I was

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Speaker 1: not there, So we'll we'll chat a lit about that.

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Speaker 1: And then also, since we're talking about gear, I've wanted

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Speaker 1: for us to have an episode where we just kind

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Speaker 1: of talked about some of the things that we've been using,

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Speaker 1: some of the gear we've been using. UM I get

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of questions about what you know, what

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Speaker 1: this thing do you use? What binos do use? What

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Speaker 1: bow do you use? What this thing, that thing whatever?

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Speaker 1: Um So the three of us can kind of share

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Speaker 1: some of our favorites. I thought, that is our very

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Speaker 1: are very loose um agenda for the day. So um,

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to a t. What do I mean

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Speaker 1: us out on Dan? You know, actually, don't time out.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me that. Don't tell me that, because before

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Speaker 1: we start record, you said you've got a good story

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Speaker 1: for us. Not really, No, it's another kid's story, dude,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm all about those now, okay, well here how

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Speaker 1: about this? And I were eating supper right and my

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Speaker 1: son's like, uh, he eats his chicken, but he doesn't

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Speaker 1: eat this rice dish that we made, and uh, I go,

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Speaker 1: I go, Mac, you gotta have a couple of bites

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Speaker 1: before you get down or no snap tonight, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to be that you know, a good dad, I

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Speaker 1: And like I gave him like a spoonful, and then

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Speaker 1: I was kind of paying attention to my daughter. She

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Speaker 1: so I put another spoonful in and then I put

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Speaker 1: chewing it and swallowing it. But then I go the

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Speaker 1: like but it's just like a big pile. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like the dog puked it up. But I know it

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Speaker 1: wasn't the dog because I didn't feed my dog Rice tonight.

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Speaker 1: spitting food out on the kitchen floor or on the

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Speaker 1: were measuring the circumference of your other son's head. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My uh, my mother in law, I don't. I think

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Speaker 1: by by Wild Game Innovations, Right, Yeah, it's just you

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Speaker 1: just use it to measure deer antlers. Well, I put

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Speaker 1: he's booner all day. He's got a seventy He does

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Speaker 1: so he was he was? Was he incentile when the

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Speaker 1: bless her heart? Yikes. Yeah, So Spencer, how many kids

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Speaker 1: wife pregnant so zero. You should just get av sect

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Speaker 1: to me right now, dude, just nip it in the butt.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine they get a lot of year old seconds.

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Speaker 1: That would be a surprising call. I imagine you're you're proactive.

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Speaker 1: me a long time ago. So so dear dear gear,

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Speaker 1: dear gear. But actually, before we get to that, let's

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Speaker 1: take this quick second to thank our partners at Sitka

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Speaker 1: Gear and listen to our Sickest Story of the Day.

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Speaker 1: For this week's Sits story, we're joined by Darton Hardwick,

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Speaker 1: who's going to be telling us about a memorable hunt

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Speaker 1: with his younger brother. Yeah. I picked my little brother

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Speaker 1: much action, and then it picked up really right before darkends.

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Speaker 1: He had a little six pointer come out that he

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Speaker 1: passed because he was really set on shooting an eight

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Speaker 1: Streatus system. If you'd like to create a sikest story

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Speaker 1: didn't see a ton, but I did see that one

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00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: particular stick out? And dude, I'm I'm going to follow

428
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: up on it because I want it. Did did you

429
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: see anything that made you laugh? Every year, I feel

430
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: like there's always a product that you're just like, what

431
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: were they thinking? Was there anything like that? This year? Dude?

432
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: I think my mind has become so good at blocking

433
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: it out that, you know, I look at it, I

434
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: say gimmick, and I walk away, and I like, I

435
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: don't even absorb it, right right, I don't know you, Spencer,

436
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: did you see anything like that? I'm kind of starting

437
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: to get that way in more of these last couple

438
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: of years with broadheads. Uh. I feel like that, you know,

439
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: with a lot of this stuff in the artist archery industry,

440
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: we're not making big strides anymore as far as things

441
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: getting better, and that's one of them that feels like

442
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: it's gotten really staggedt and so now it's become a

443
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: lot of gimmicky stuff, like just the biggest slicing thing

444
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: that you can put on there that looks like it

445
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: came out of a you know, a kitchen drawer, steak knife,

446
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: and it it's it's getting to be that way. That's

447
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the only thing that I can recall that. I'm like,

448
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, someone's gonna buy that, and someone's gonna

449
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: sell that. But that way with a lot of broadheads anymore. Okay,

450
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: So there is a new broadhead out right. It's called

451
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: thorn Archery, and I ran into like every row, every

452
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: rose has a thorn, right, absolutely, so check this out.

453
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a slip can a slip cam system,

454
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: but it has a fully the two blades are fully

455
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: enclosed in the housing. Um. A couple of years ago,

456
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: there was a company called uh what was it? What

457
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: was it called um Epic. Epic broadheads had yep, three blades.

458
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: This is much smaller and literally I mean it's it

459
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: is a small broadhead. But when you pop that, there's

460
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: like a trigger mechanism where the the ferrell goes down

461
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: into the shaft and then it kicks out too little

462
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: um things that two little pieces of metal which is

463
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: the top of the blade, and it slipped cams them

464
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: out and dude, I'm telling you right now, that looks

465
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty innovative because there is let's the n

466
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: A P tried to do it, but something happened and

467
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: that that broadhead didn't make it too. Uh, I guess

468
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: mass production and it didn't make it to the the stores.

469
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: This one, however, I mean the guys, the guy I

470
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: talked to said it. I mean, they're gonna be ready

471
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: for this fall. So uh, Thorn Archery is the name

472
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: of the company. H What did you shoot this pasture? Dan?

473
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I shot WASP Okay fixed blade, then fixed blade wasps

474
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: they I mean, WASP has mechanicals as well, but I

475
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of moving away to from mechanicals to go

476
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: to fixed blade because you know, a certain stage, Idaho

477
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: being one of them that when we hunted, I didn't

478
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: want to bounce around between mechanicals and fixed blades just

479
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: because I'm hunting a different state. So I figured, hey,

480
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stick with with fixed blades. I hear

481
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: you what I have. Since I've gotten really into archery,

482
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: I've made it a point to switch every year. So

483
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: for the last five years, I've shot different broadheads. Um

484
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: this year I landed on an ap Spitfire Max and

485
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: they're They're pretty popular and I killed a number of

486
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: different things with them, and I love that. You don't

487
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: need that, you don't need a differ Galus with that

488
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: whole litany of things you killed again this year? How

489
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: look how this year? Look? How we just slipped that

490
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: in there. He's like, Oh, yeah, I've used all these

491
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: broad and I killed many many things of this year. Well,

492
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: we gotta out an hour of talking less, so I

493
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: figured i'd get out of the way. Okay, so continue.

494
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: Uh So I switched broadheads every year, and so I've

495
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: shot a number of different things, and I really enjoyed

496
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: the spitfire Max. But I'll try something different again for cool.

497
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: Keep keep me post on that, because I've I've kind

498
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: of bounced around a little bit. I went. I shot

499
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: mechanical for years, and then a couple of years ago,

500
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: I switched to fixed blade shot that for two years,

501
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: and then I switched back to a mechanical. I'm shooting

502
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: the hypodermic rage now for white tails at least. Um.

503
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I can't speak to its effective this this year at all,

504
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: because I did not kill a single animal with my bow, um,

505
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: much to my chagrin. So um, we'll see how things

506
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: go next year. But um yeah, and I'm not jumping

507
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: around because like I'm like, oh, this is a terrible broadhead.

508
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: That's just one of the most fascinating parts of the

509
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: setup to me is the broadhead and so that's why

510
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: I enjoy um switching it up every year and seeing

511
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: how different broadheads form. So at what point, though, are

512
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: you going to like, how many do you to test

513
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: until you can look back at your his history and say, Okay,

514
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: of these seven years or five years or ten years

515
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: worth of broadheads I've tried, now I know that X

516
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: is the right one. Like, at what point are you

517
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: going to make a decision and switch to the most

518
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: effective I don't know. These these last couple of years,

519
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: I've really really enjoyed what I've used Spitfire Max and

520
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: then I use an ap sling blades last year. Um,

521
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: and I've only had one in like these five years

522
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: that I really disliked. I won't go into what it was,

523
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: but uh, maybe if I have another bad experience with

524
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: something that I know I don't like, I'll jump back

525
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: to something I know I I really enjoy. But until

526
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: then I'll probably just keep switching. Dude, time out. You

527
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: don't you don't have to tell if you don't want to.

528
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: But part of an accurate you know, like part everybody

529
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: right now listening is going man, what product is that

530
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: because I want to, like, I would want to know

531
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: what you had a bad experience with and what that

532
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: experience was. I think that's a fair point and just

533
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: realized that this company will never talk to you in

534
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: the future, Spencer, and not just kidding, no, I mean

535
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: I think it's fair right. Companies sometimes make mistakes, they

536
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: have a dud, they fix it. It's good to know. Yeah. Well,

537
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: one one reason I don't enjoy like trashing something like

538
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: that is because it's such a small sample size, like

539
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: one year, you know, one animal, or shooting it, you know,

540
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: a couple of dozen times. But that was a ram

541
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: cat Um. I was really intrigued by the idea of

542
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: that if it goes into something and it can't get

543
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: a pass through, that all rip on the way back

544
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: out as well. Um. But I didn't love the blade system.

545
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were always different levels of tightness,

546
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: as far as one could be kind of loose or

547
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: one was very stiff. Um. It didn't seem like it

548
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: left great exit or entrances on it. Um. Well, I

549
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: guess it cut as you would imagine, uh a fixed

550
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: blade would. It wasn't leaving like huge gaping holes like

551
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: a mechanical um. But that was one that I just realized, like,

552
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, this is one I'd probably never shoot again,

553
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't love it. If I'm gonna go with

554
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: a fixed blade, I would just go with something else.

555
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: If I want something similar to this, I would just

556
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: go to a mechanical So that was why a ramkad

557
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: is just something that I don't have interest in anymore. So,

558
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: So you just mentioned something that cued something in my

559
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: head that I've been meaning to mention the podcast. So

560
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: related to broadheads, UM, something I just realized that I've

561
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people also have not realized in

562
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: the past, was with with the new rage broadheads, Right,

563
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: these mechanical broad heads. The way that the blazer held

564
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: in place is with this collar. There's a little black

565
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: plastic collar that is in between the the the insert

566
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: and the broadhead when you screwed him. And the way

567
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: it works is that when the arrow hits your target,

568
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: your deer, it blows through that collar and releases the

569
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: pressure on the era on the blades, pushes that collar,

570
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: breaks it open, and then expands. Now on that little

571
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: black collar. Either either one of you guys seen this,

572
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm talking about. No, no, okay, Well,

573
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: for anybody out there who shoots a rage broadhead, which

574
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: is probably a decent number of you, this is your

575
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: your public service announcement. Really quick. On that black plastic collar,

576
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: there are little notches in it. There, these little slits

577
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: in the little plastic collar, and a lot of people,

578
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: from what I've heard, I've seen this in forums and

579
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: videos and stuff, people have been saying, this is not

580
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: just me, these little slits. They assume that you're supposed

581
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: to when you tighten down the broad head onto this collar.

582
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: The way it looks is that you should fit the

583
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: bottoms of the two blades into these little slits in

584
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: the collar, and that's what I've done. Well, come to

585
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: find out that's the exact opposite of what you're supposed

586
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: to do, and that has resulted in a lot of

587
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: failed openings of the blades because actually we're supposed to

588
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: be supposed to line up the solid part of the

589
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: collar with the bottom of the blade. So if you

590
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: shoot rage, don't line up the blades with the slits

591
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: in the collar, line up the blades with the solid piece.

592
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Random But I just had to make sure I mentioned

593
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: it because I would have been doing it the wrong

594
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: way if someone hadn't told me um or if I

595
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: had actually shot something this year, I would have found

596
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: out the wrong way. But so I had a good

597
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: conversation with someone a while back. It wasn't at the

598
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: A T A show, but about manufacturing failures. Right. You know,

599
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: you got all these people saying, well, my broadhead didn't open,

600
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: my broadhead didn't open. Well, let's say the failure rate

601
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: is two percent, right, two percent of all of their

602
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: broad heads don't open. And when you think about it,

603
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: two percent isn't a or not necessarily a raid. But

604
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: any broadhead two percent isn't enough for a company to

605
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: probably get worried about. However, two of two million is forty, right,

606
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: so forty thousand broadheads may not have malfunctioned. And that

607
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: is why you hear like a company like Rage, where

608
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: they're selling way more broadheads than everybody else, so they're

609
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: two failure is gonna be forty people. And if all

610
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: forty people bitch and complain, that's a you know, that's

611
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: for us. You're gonna hear that. You're gonna see that

612
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: uh and and not necessarily uh. To defend Rage, but

613
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: some of the bigger companies who sell a lot more product,

614
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: even if I mean that's just you just you're gonna

615
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: hear about a lot more than the broadhead company that

616
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: sells a thousand packs a year versus a company that

617
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: sells packs or whatever. That's a that's a fair place.

618
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I'll never I'll never shoot a rage. Well, that's that's

619
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: certainly your choice. There's you know, rage is one of

620
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: those products that that gets a lot of opinions on

621
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin. There's a lot of people

622
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: that know a whole hell of a lot more than

623
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: I do that shoot them like super good, smart, well

624
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: thought through archery. Guys smarter than us is what you're saying.

625
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Way smarter than us. But at the same time, there's

626
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: people way smarter than us that swear by never shooting them.

627
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: So who knows what about that premost ground blind dan

628
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: that I saw videos of that that actually looked like

629
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: a kind of new interesting idea. I'm telling you what,

630
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I buy that ground blind for

631
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 1: one reason, and that is because I want to take

632
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: my daughter turkey hunting this spring, and I can do

633
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: it and we can see everything around me. Us three

634
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: sixty degrees with the blind shut, and I don't have

635
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: to worry about being seen. Well, so explain that. How

636
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: does that work? So it's a it's a fabric mesh

637
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: that allows you or if you're standing outside of the blind,

638
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you know it's your ten twt away you're looking at it,

639
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: it looks like everything's up. You know, you can't see

640
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: into the blind, but the moment you step into the blind,

641
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: the fabric is somehow reversible, So I shouldn't say that.

642
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Imagine a two way mirror at a police office or

643
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, at a police station. Sounds like familiar with

644
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: that kind of location anyway, anyway, But that's what it is. Man.

645
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: You can see out of this fabric and you can

646
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: see three d and sixty degrees all the way around you,

647
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and it is like it is awesome. So you really

648
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you really can't see into it, Like if I'm a

649
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: if I'm a deer standing at ten yards, I really

650
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: can't see into you see into that, dude, And you

651
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: would have to have some kind of light facing directly

652
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: behind you and shining through to make some kind of shadow.

653
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: But I know, Spencer, did you see that? Yeah? That

654
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that was the biggest complaint that I heard about. It

655
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: was said, well, you know the light is going to

656
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: illuminate everything, and well, the top of the ground blind

657
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: is not that mesh material. So if it's midday or something,

658
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: that's not a problem. Um, and you know where the

659
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: sun is rising or setting every haunt, it's not gonna

660
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, it over there tonight. It's

661
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: it's setting, and so you you know, like ahead of

662
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: time how you need to use this ground blind to

663
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: your advantage. So I don't think that's the big deal

664
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: as people were making it. Um And as far as

665
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: something seeing you through the mesh, if you treat it

666
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: like it's still kind of a ground blind, you know,

667
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: as long as you're not wearing like doing jumping jacks,

668
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: you'd be fine. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a I mean,

669
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm I'm I'm critical when it comes to equipment,

670
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: and this is something that I really think would be

671
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: it would be worthwhile investment, especially for someone who has kids. Okay,

672
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: so are there any other products that either one of

673
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: you actually think you're gonna buy this year that you

674
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: saw at the show? Am I what I said? Are

675
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: there any other products that either one of you saw

676
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: at the show this year that you actually think you're

677
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna buy it, because you just said Dan that you

678
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: might buy that one. You've also said that you might

679
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: buy that pole trail camera thing. Um. Absolutely, are there

680
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: any other products that you actually think you'll spend your

681
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: own money on this year? I guess either one of

682
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: you whoever yells first before that. Let's go back to

683
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: the ground blind. The biggest problem that besides the lightning

684
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: that a lot of people and they had was with

685
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: it was that was five dollars. And so that's an

686
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: expensive ground blind that could get destroyed by a bear

687
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: or whipped into a fence or something like that. So

688
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: that needs to be stressed as well, that this isn't

689
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, a ground blind that you can just go

690
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: buy on a whim for for a hunter and fifty

691
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: dollars and uh So, But as far as things that

692
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: I think I would buy, I was really impressed by

693
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: what Havevlon did this year. They made a knife that

694
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: has like six blade options I think, um that go

695
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: from everything like a big filet knife, uh down to

696
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: it like a smaller blade knife that you would use

697
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: to get a deer and with a lot of options

698
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: in between, and it was like a hundred dollars and

699
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: it could literally be the last knife that you ever

700
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: need to get just because it was so versatile. So

701
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: that's something that I would can seriously consider buying so within.

702
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: So for people that aren't familiar with Havalon knives, correct

703
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, but you know that the

704
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: original Havelon was like one of the original replaceable blade

705
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: knives where you can it's basically a scalpel blade that

706
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: you could pop off and put a brand new scalpel

707
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: blade on, so you always have this absolutely razor sharp knife.

708
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: And so if I saw that video you posted, the

709
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: right spencer Havevlon's most recent knife now has replaceable blade

710
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: as well. But now it's not just the small scalpel

711
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: Now they've got different sizes, different strengths, so you could

712
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: use this for different applications. Is that right? Yeah, exactly.

713
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: And if you were somebody like me who's really poor

714
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: at keeping knives sharp, then this is perfect because that

715
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: just won't be a problem. You'll always have another blade

716
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: you can change into. Or if you do a number

717
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: of different things outdoors, like come springtime, if you're gonna

718
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: be fishing and turkey hunting, things like that, camping. This

719
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: is a great knife to have. It cleans out easy,

720
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's so unique that you can

721
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: do a diverse number of things with it. Yeah, I

722
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: also saw that this year. Um. It also has a

723
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: push button to to pop off the blade, when in

724
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: the past you had to kind of pry it off.

725
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: It was kind of funky how the past havalons were. Um,

726
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: I think that Garment or some other companies started using

727
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: this push button things, so it seems like have a

728
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: lot on is taking that too. Is that did you

729
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: see that? Yeah, the push button I believe is new

730
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: for them in the past. Like you said, you needed

731
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: appliers to get the other blade off, so that could

732
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: be something that I'm overlooking that the push button maybe

733
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: isn't the best way to do it. But as far

734
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: as I can see, you're not gonna lose a limb,

735
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: you know. I like the push button. That makes it

736
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: easier to get those on on. My might worry with

737
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: the old ones, and I have I have one of

738
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: the old ones and I like it a lot still. Um,

739
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: but I always worried, like you're in the middle of

740
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: butchering a deer couring an elk. The blade dolls. You

741
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: gotta get the new one on, and your fingers are

742
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: all bloody and slippery, and you're you're messing around trying

743
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: to get this blade off, and if one of your

744
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: fingers slips and hits that blade, I mean they are

745
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: so sharp. Um. The push button idea seems to be

746
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: a safer way to get those blades off and on.

747
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: So I like that. Yeah, if if I had to

748
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: summarize a t A with just my favorite product in general,

749
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: would be it? For sure? Nice? Anything else you guys

750
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: are gonna buy before we dive into other things you

751
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: don't not necessarily buy. But there is a this year.

752
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Spencer, and maybe this is

753
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm transitioning for you, and I don't mean to mark,

754
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: but the there is a lot of ozone companies that

755
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: have showed up this year. There was a ton of

756
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: scent companies that have popped up, whether that is you know,

757
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: like attractants or um, you know, cover spray. And I

758
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: noticed that compared to last year, there were a lot

759
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: less bow manufacturers there really, yes, humph were there any

760
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: of the big ones? Not there? Um, No, like all

761
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: the big ones are there, like so Matthew's PSC. Uh

762
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: why why am I only thinking of two right now?

763
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: But Elite was there, Martin. They're going through a rebranding there.

764
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: They've been sold and then purchased, so they were there.

765
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: Gear Head was there, um Bo Tech was there, Hoy

766
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: was there. You know, so all the big names were there,

767
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: but the second and third tier archery uh companies were

768
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: not there last year because I think, uh, last year,

769
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: my buddy Ryan I had him go and shoot a

770
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: lot of you know, as many bows as he could

771
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: possibly shoot, compound bows as he could shoot, and it

772
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: took him almost the entire three days to do that.

773
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: This year, he it took him like a day and

774
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: a half. So there he shot maybe twenty less bows

775
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: this year. And that's not twenty less companies, but twenty

776
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: less bows. So um. He he was telling me, man,

777
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: there's that there's hardly any there's hardly any like newer

778
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: companies or some of the smaller ones from last year

779
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: that either probably had to fold because there's two million

780
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: less hunters over the course of the past year. So

781
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, that has to translate into loss of some

782
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: kind of industry. Yeah, I wonder what that's about. If

783
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: it's if it's that, or if it's just just the

784
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: the might of the big companies that just squashing that

785
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: just because there's I don't know. It's a good question.

786
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, do you have an answer, Spencer? Uh? So,

787
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: last year I did a big A TA review for

788
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: North American Deer Hunter magazine, and one of the things

789
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: was that I pulled some quotes, um from some of

790
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: the A T A organizers and they had talked about

791
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: in like the last five years or even over the

792
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: last ten years, that the fastest growing thing at their

793
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: event has been crossbows. And so maybe that's it that, um,

794
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: the space that would normally be bought by a bow

795
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: company is now being bought up by crossbowl companies instead.

796
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Or it could be the same way for hunters that

797
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: people who were hunting with bow was five years ago

798
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: or now crossbowl hunters. So I definitely have an effect

799
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: on it. Did you guys see a lot of crossbows

800
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: at the show? Is that a big thing this year?

801
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's noticeable. Yeah, yeah, they're there. But

802
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have any crossbowl experience. That's something

803
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: that you know, usually just walk right past and and

804
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: don't notice, so I would have a good add answer

805
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: about any new crossbowl developments or anything like that. Yeah. So,

806
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: the big thing that I saw so much about from

807
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: a distance seeing online, the thing that everyone seemed to

808
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: be talking about, was this new site made by Garmin thing.

809
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: It's called the zero x e er Oh I believe

810
00:45:54,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: I remember being and this site, for whatever reason, got

811
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: me thinking about the age old question that we have

812
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: debated here a lot in the past, especially me and Dan,

813
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: which is when it comes to technology and hunting, when

814
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: is it too much like where do you draw the line? Um?

815
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know why this made me think that,

816
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I think that's the case

817
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: of this archery set or not. I don't know, um.

818
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna explain this site and then I gonna

819
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: get you guys thoughts on it. What what you thought about,

820
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: what people were saying about, and correct me if I'm

821
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: wrong on any of this. But the basic gist of this,

822
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: from the little product of video I saw and from

823
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: people posting on it, is that this is a site

824
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: just like any other site that attaches to your bow,

825
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: but it has a built in range finder in it.

826
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: So you draw back your bow, you point your site

827
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: at a deer, and you press a little button on

828
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: your um riser and it ranges that deer and it

829
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: shows you the range right there on your on your

830
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: site says excuse me, it says thirty two yards, but

831
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: then different than you know any other rest where you

832
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: would range it. And then you see it's thirt or

833
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: two yards, and you find your thirty yard pen and

834
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: you put the thirty yard pin on the deer. This

835
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: site ranges it and then it uses l e ed

836
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: like it creates a little led light where your rest

837
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: excuse me, where a site pin usually would be. That's

838
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: set exactly for that range. So it creates it creates

839
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: a pin out of an LED light set right where

840
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: you need to aime, so you don't even really need

841
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: to think about where you aim. You just draw back,

842
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: click the button, and it puts a pin where you

843
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: need to aim at. That is the gist of this

844
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: new site. UM and I did I describe that accurately?

845
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: First off? And what were your thoughts? What what we're

846
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: hearing from people that actually saw it, looked at it,

847
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Uh Dan, what did you think? First? Oh Man? I

848
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: held it. I played around with it. It's unique, it's awesome. Uh,

849
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: it's a thousand dollars, it's heavy. Uh. I played around

850
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: with it and instantly realized that as hunters we have

851
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: to deal with imperfect shots. And this from what I gathered,

852
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: this device that's on your bow has to be held.

853
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: You have to be straight, you know, you have to

854
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: be held still. You have to be I mean, it's

855
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: not like I'll just cut to the to the chase.

856
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: Here in the moment of truth, you're trying to do

857
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: this with maybe a little torque in your wrist or

858
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: your you know, you're a deer's moving left and right,

859
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: left and right. I I felt like that machine couldn't

860
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: keep up with how fast everything goes down. And therefore

861
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it has I I personally don't think

862
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: I would ever use it because in the moment of truth,

863
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: after you've maybe took a range finder and ranged some trees,

864
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: or you know, you ranged a trail beforehand, and then

865
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to do you know, pull back, hit the button,

866
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: try to get everything lined up. You're looking, whether you're

867
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: looking through a peep or not, and this this button

868
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: is jumping around on this digital screen, not button, but

869
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: the uh this dot where you're supposed to aim the pin,

870
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: so to speak. And then if there's a little torque

871
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: in your wrist, then there's this little circle with these

872
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: red arrows pointing to it saying that Okay, now you're centered.

873
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: So now instead of thinking time to shoot, you're actually

874
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: your brain is now having to think of one, possibly

875
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: two or three more things before you can uh pull

876
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: the trigger and shoot. So it's a hard pass for

877
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: me man playing Devil's advocate. Though, if you didn't have that,

878
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: if you had a regular site, don't you in that

879
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: same moment, don't you also need to pulp your range

880
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: finder with one hand, range the deer, figure out what

881
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: ranges is yet, now find the proper pin on your

882
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: on your site. Line that up. Now you still need

883
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: to make sure you're not talking your bell. You still

884
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: need to make sure you're holding it properly and straight,

885
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: because if you don't do those things, your arrow is

886
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: not gonna go where you're aiming anyways. Um So aren't

887
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: there still the same kind of variables in a in

888
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: a regular shot process too? Yeah, you're you're right, Except

889
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: on the digital screen there's one dot, there's no reference

890
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: point for anything else. So if if that technology, you know,

891
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: you range and then that deer takes a quartering away

892
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: or comes quartering into you, and that and then you

893
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: have to try to get that button again. When I

894
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: know that if a deer takes you know, four steps

895
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: toward me, I can I can mentally play around with

896
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: that a little bit. I just I just feel that

897
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: in the moment of truth, and if for anybody who

898
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: may get a little excited and have buck fever, it's

899
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, it's almost too much technology. Yeah,

900
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: what do you think, spencer? Uh yeah, kind of holding

901
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: it and messing around with it. It it felt like

902
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: a toy and I think that, you know, somebody could

903
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: treat it as so or that's how it should be treated.

904
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: This is something you take to the range and see

905
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: if you can, you know, hit a three D target

906
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: at a harder twenty yards or something like that. But

907
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: for real world hunting, UM No, I wouldn't be interested

908
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: in Uh. I wouldn't be mad either if I was,

909
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: Like if I knew the neighbor was using long I

910
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: would be like, that son of a bitch is cheating. Um.

911
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: But I would have a fear that this could lead

912
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: people to taking shots that they're not capable of that

913
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: most people on capable of. If you went analot hunting

914
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have something thing that

915
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: allows you to take a shot at ninety five yards

916
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: or something like that, problem and you're saying that's because

917
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: like all you gotta do is aim at it hit

918
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: the button and it says, okay, here's exactly where you

919
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: need to aim for nine yards, right, Yeah, all of

920
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: a sudden you have a ninety five yard pin or

921
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: you have a hunter and yard pin. I think that's problematic. Um,

922
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much this is going to

923
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: change the industry that it's been talked about like that,

924
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to have a big

925
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: impact at the end of the day. It's an interesting point.

926
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: So did you does this at all make you? Guys

927
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: ask that question to like, just have we gone too far?

928
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean, and you could you could say, I mean,

929
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: you could say this about a whole lot of things.

930
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: You can say this about certain things. I use UM like,

931
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, we've we've talked about this in the past,

932
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: and I feel like we all need to draw a

933
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: line in the sand for ourselves in different places. Um.

934
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know for some reason, I'm not knocking

935
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: the company or whatever. It's a it's an innovative interesting

936
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: to you. UM. But I felt the same way I felt,

937
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: even though I didn't actually get to try to use it.

938
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: I just felt like, I don't. I don't like that.

939
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't all right, for me, it wouldn't

940
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: feel like something i'd feel comfortably using. Just felt like

941
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: crossing some kind of threshold for me, some intangible threshold.

942
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes any sense. Um. And

943
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's hypocritical say that there's some threshold here for

944
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: me with this digital site. But then I use something

945
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: like osanics that blows this chemical into the air that

946
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: can help may not be um scented by as many deer. Um,

947
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean this whole idea, this whole

948
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Seeing this product and then watching a t from Afar

949
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: this year just got me thinking about that question a

950
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: little more this year, like how far is too far?

951
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: When are we kind of losing the big When are

952
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: we losing the moral of the story? Um? Did you

953
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: do you get either you guys want to feel that

954
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: way at all. I did, except and you know what

955
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: if if that if that product was cheaper for some like,

956
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, a thousand dollars, man, a thousand dollars. So

957
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: when I when something costs a thousand dollars, it has

958
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: to it has to function at a very high level

959
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: for me, right and just playing around with it. When

960
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: I was hitting that button, pointing it, trying to be

961
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: as straight as possible, it was right next to the

962
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: Reinhardt target um booth. So I was ranging it and

963
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: I was getting like ten yards fifteen yards, you know,

964
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: like random yardage, and I knew it was further than

965
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: ten yards away, So I I wasn't sold on it instantly.

966
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: That tells me that the technology is just not there

967
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: yet for it to be this is this is something

968
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: that's going to be like first to market. Right there's

969
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: other range finder sites on the market and they they're

970
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: they're just it's not at The technology isn't where it

971
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: needs to be right now for me to be sold

972
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: on it. In the future maybe, but right now, I

973
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: don't think that garment, uh, that garment product is all

974
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: that's made up to be, man, I think it's I

975
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: think it's it's cool to see a company taking a

976
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: risk and trying something new, like really pretty different. I

977
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: mean that's cool. I mean sometimes we complain about how

978
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: it feels like everything we see coming out is just

979
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: this tiny little iteration pretty much the same thing as

980
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: last year. But now they're saying it's the best new

981
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: things since sliced bread. So I don't you know, you

982
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: gotta kind of give them credit for trying something different.

983
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: That's cool. Oh yeah, I mean that's what keeps the

984
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: industry alive, right, So there's something we said for that.

985
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: But is there any is there any proct out there

986
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: right now? Guys? It makes you feel that like ick,

987
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: feeling like maybe this is too far when it comes

988
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: to this technology question that I'm kind of pondering right now,

989
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: just me. I don't know, man, I mean, what about

990
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: in ozonics and how I use ozone is as as

991
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: far as I will go, as probably as far as

992
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: like electronics is concerned. You know, if a company came

993
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: out with with an invisible cloak, you know, it's like

994
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: it's something that you throw over top of yourself, hit

995
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: a button and animals see right through you or I

996
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: don't know, for me, hunting is a chess game, right,

997
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: so there is the possibility of failure. Um, And I

998
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, if osonics worked so well that like it it,

999
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't know it was it was a pent effective

1000
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: within a forty yard range. Let's say that might change

1001
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: my That might change my my feelings about it, but

1002
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: it's not. And a majority of the products that I use,

1003
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: you still to use your brain and you still have to,

1004
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: I guess know how to hunt in somewhat shape or form.

1005
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: It's funny, yeah, And it's funny you say that because

1006
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way, Like how ironic

1007
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: and backwards? Is it that the qualifying criteria we're looking

1008
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: at to determine whether or not we want to use

1009
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: a product like ozonics is make sure it doesn't work

1010
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: a d percent at the time. As long as it

1011
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: doesn't work all the time, I'm in. But I kind

1012
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: of agree with you a little bit on that. Like

1013
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: I feel like if it was something that took away

1014
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: the challenge and the fair chase element of it, and

1015
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: if it was easy, then I think I would have

1016
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: a serious concern with it. Um, I still screw up

1017
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: so much of the time and get you know, I

1018
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: make so many mistakes and fail so often that it's

1019
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: it's very clear for anyone watching what I'm doing that

1020
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't have too much technology. Um, but but I

1021
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting point what we're gonna say with Spencer.

1022
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of same thing Dan said that, I

1023
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like hunting with a vertical bow is already, um,

1024
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, so difficult that I don't think there's anything

1025
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: on the market that makes it way way easier at

1026
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: this point in this site. Some people might think that,

1027
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: but that that's really not the case. This doesn't make

1028
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: it like, you know, you're guaranteed to heartshot something at

1029
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: sixty yards. So I don't think we have any products

1030
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: like that that yet that really make you rethink what

1031
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: hunting with a compound bow is. I mean, if you

1032
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: want to go taking a step further and think of

1033
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: a product that is so effective that it's almost you're

1034
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: guaranteed to kill a deer or or get in the

1035
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: general area of a deer, why not go hunt a

1036
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: high fence operation? Right? You know what I mean, there's

1037
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: there's there's not really a difference there. Yeah, but but

1038
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, you get you could look at anything though,

1039
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: and say, like everyone's going to draw their lines somewhere different.

1040
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: So like you and I might say, well, we're gonna

1041
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: use a compombo and we can kill something out to

1042
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: forty yards or whatever it might be. Um, that seems

1043
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: like a fair and reasonable use of archery equipment or

1044
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: something like that. And then we might see someone else

1045
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: by one of these new fancy crossbows that even now

1046
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: is being advertised as being able to kill at a

1047
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: hundred yards or something with an arrow. Um, someone might

1048
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: think that's okay for them. Um, I don't know. There's

1049
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: just there's all sorts of things like that that make

1050
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: me wonder. There's things like when it comes to long

1051
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: range shooting with rifles, even shooting deer at yards and

1052
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: crazy stuff like that. Um, what about trail cameras that

1053
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: not only can send you stuff on your cell phone

1054
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: right away, but how long until they live stream your

1055
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: tree steam? Sooner than we think? I bet? Oh for sure?

1056
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, technology is already there, Yeah exactly. So I

1057
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: mean I feel like we're gonna be looking at this

1058
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: question more and more going forward, because already we have

1059
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: and people have been looking at this question forever, right,

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean thirty years ago there were guys that looked

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: at bows with wheels on him and said, that's way

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: too much technology. You're taking away the essence of the hunt.

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: It's unfair to have this fancy contraption. Um. And then

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: when crossbells came out, the same thing, and when trail

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: cameras first came out, maybe people felt the same way.

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: So I've got no answers on it. Um. I'm gonna

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01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: tell you what I feel real quick, and that is

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01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett. I think it was last year the

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01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: year before made a statement about long range shooting. And

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 1: look for some of these companies to step in and say,

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01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: if you use this kind of contraption while you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: it will not go in our record books. Okay. That

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: the white tail industry today thrives off of inches and

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: being able to claim that you've killed a giant deer. Okay,

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: if that deer can't be entered into a record book

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: because you used a product, I don't think that. I

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: think there there is technology will halt at some point

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01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: if one of these companies or one of these organizations say, okay,

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: well you used a hyper thruster arrow whatever you know,

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: it has propellant it's a propelled it has a rocket

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01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: engine in it or whatever, that doesn't count. I think

1082
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. And if we're talking about ironies,

1083
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: how ironic would it be that the what I think

1084
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: is a misguided obsession with antlers and obsession over the

1085
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: just killing the biggest buck in the world all the time? Right?

1086
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: That that crazy that we you know, sometimes we worry

1087
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: can get to be too much. How funny is it

1088
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: that that craze to be able to get the highest

1089
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: scoring buck results in putting some type of hamper on

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: technology use, Like it's like kind of the two sides

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01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: of the same coin stopping the progress of the other. Well,

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's happening right now. You know,

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: we have these conversations with each other, like, hey, look

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: at this guy. He shot a three two year old

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: at a high fence operation. No one gives a shit

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01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: about it because it's a high fence operation. But if

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: someone if Hope and Young or Bood and Crockett says, hey, man,

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to use X product anymore, and someone

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01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: shoots a deer using X product, look, I I have

1100
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: this feeling. Look for the same type of reaction from

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: a majority of the hunters. Yeah, well, I think it's

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's fair for there to

1103
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: be debate and conversation around this issue, and like people

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: have to draw lines in the sands somewhere. I mean,

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: there's like, right, there's a fine balancing act that has

1106
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: to be played here between setting some kind of useful

1107
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: community guidelines and regulations within our own hunting community to

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01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: make sure that we're going about things the right way,

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're carrying on this lifestyle and

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: in a fair chase, respectable, reasonable manner. But at the

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: same time, though people always like to talk about, well,

1112
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be criticizing other people for doing things the

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: way they want to do it. If it's legal, they

1114
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: should be abill do it. If not, you know, you're

1115
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: you're dividing. You're dividing us, right, And I have no

1116
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: problem if people want to do that, I have no

1117
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: problem if people want to hunt high fence, you know,

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't even I mean, I don't care. If that's

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01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 1: what you're into, that's what you're into. Man, it's legal,

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01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: you can go and buy a hunt. I don't care.

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01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, we can we can get into a whole.

1122
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a whole different animal. I'm never

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's not for me, is it for some people? Maybe?

1124
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: Is it harmless? Maybe not? And I think that's where

1125
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 1: you draw the line. That's where I draw the line

1126
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: when it I can't remember who use this analogy. I'm

1127
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: going to steal it from whoever said it. Apologies, but

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01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: someone told me the analogy that you know. They say

1129
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't be rocking the boat every we're all

1130
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: in the same boat together. You shouldn't be criticizing us.

1131
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be, you know, cutting down other people in

1132
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: the same boat with you. But if you're poking holes

1133
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: in the boat with the stupid stuff you're doing, or

1134
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: the bad decisions you're making, if you're poking holes in

1135
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the boat and you're gon sink the whole ship, then yeah,

1136
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rack the boat and throw you overboard. Um,

1137
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: someone's gotta someone's gotta stand up for things sometimes, and

1138
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: if we don't, the whole thing is gonna go down.

1139
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: So that's why, in some cases, like for me, there's

1140
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot of concerns around high fence operations because that's

1141
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: a ship wrecker I think, um, and maybe there's some

1142
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: products or some uses of products that someday might get

1143
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: to that point too. Like I think one thing, for example,

1144
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: drones right off the gate, States have been banning the

1145
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: use of drones in relation to hunting because I think

1146
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: people saw that could be you know a lot of

1147
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: abuse ways that you could use that and immediately lose

1148
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: that fair chase element in certain ways. I think there's

1149
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna be other technologies. They're gonna keep on popping up

1150
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: like that. Um And every year when a t A

1151
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: shows up on the calendar, it just makes me think

1152
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: about this again. UM. And like I said, there's no

1153
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: real concrete answers here to any of these things. But

1154
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: I do think it's a worthwhile exercise for all of

1155
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: us to just be thinking about this, to be kind

1156
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: of looking at the stuff we use, the choices we

1157
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: make as far as gear and technology and hunting tactics

1158
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: even and just thinking through, you know, why are we

1159
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: using this stuff? Is this still preserving the I don't

1160
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: know if I want to say the essence or like

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01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: the the sanctity maybe of what we're doing. Um, I

1162
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Spencer, can you can you provide any clarity.

1163
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: Should we move on? I'm ready to get back to

1164
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: gear Spenser. Always I feel like you, me and Dan

1165
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: just ramble on. Do you listen in the past, Spencer,

1166
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: when you've listened to the podcast before you were, you know,

1167
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: part of the team here and doing stuff. Did you

1168
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: listen to us in the past, and just like want

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01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: to shoot yourself in the head every time me and

1170
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: Dan would ramble at the beginning for thirty minutes, because

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: all the time when we do rout Radio, you're always

1172
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: throwing in little jabs about how boring me and Dana

1173
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: are when we ramble. Is that was that just painful

1174
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: for you? I'm ready to get back to gears. Okay,

1175
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: touche um any other a t A products that we

1176
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: need to talk about before we review some two thousand seventy.

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Speaker 1: But actually, before we move on, let's take a quick

1178
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: second to thank our partners at White Tail Properties. This

1179
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: week with white Teal Properties, we were joined by Andrew Schultz,

1180
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Illinois. And Andrew is going

1181
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: to be telling us about what to look for when

1182
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: buying a piece of ground with intentions of putting in

1183
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: a small pond. Yeah, it's really attainable, and there's a

1184
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: lot of people that look to do that when they're

1185
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: searching for a piece of ground or the right piece

1186
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: of ground. And a large part of that is what

1187
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: are you intending to use the pond for? I mean,

1188
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: is this pond gonna be something that you can fish

1189
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: with your kids or grandkids, um, when you come out

1190
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: to visit the property, or is this pond gonna be

1191
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: the pond that your dream home overlooks when you're building

1192
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: on this property. So first identifying what it is that

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: you're putting the pond in for um. So once you've

1194
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: done that, location is everything. Obviously, if the pond serves

1195
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: a purpose for wildlife, you want it in the best

1196
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: location to do so, where soil is also going to

1197
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: be relevant. Depth is going to be relevant, Drainage is

1198
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: another thing that's relevant. So UM, once you've determined that

1199
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: a property is the right one for you, you know

1200
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: you've got lots of options as it relates to put

1201
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: in a pond. Um, just do your homework ahead of

1202
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: time and figuring out what you want to use it for.

1203
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: Um you know the best purpose and then how to

1204
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: go about achieving your goals. If you'd like To learn

1205
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Andrew currently has

1206
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com backslash Schultz.

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: That's s h U l t Z. Dude, I feel

1208
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: like I'm not covering the A t A properly. If

1209
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: I talk about the fashion right this year, last year,

1210
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: what was the fatis? It was like last year was

1211
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: like fancy geens, we call them bedazzled jeans. Not so

1212
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: much this year. Right, this year was flannels and flat

1213
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: brim hats. So everyone's trying to copy me then, right,

1214
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: because that might be and what I would have shown

1215
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 1: up on not even have a picture of in a flannel.

1216
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: That's good, it's a good look. I can't I can't

1217
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: really pull off the flat bill, but I do live

1218
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: in flannels. Interesting observation. Sanitizer, hand sanitizer, Yeah, lots of

1219
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer influences going around bad. Everybody was like juicing

1220
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: up rather did you get sick? And one gets sick?

1221
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: I was I already had the flu man, so you

1222
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: brought it? Maybe Spencer any final shot shot his way

1223
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: bigger than they said anyone's ever been the shot her in.

1224
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: But that's like this times three, and I mean literally

1225
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: this times three and so they always talked about the

1226
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: shot show flew there that you come home and uh

1227
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: just shook too many hands and did too many other

1228
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: gross stuff, drink too many beers that you just get sick.

1229
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: So it's a real thing. Yeah, that was one thing

1230
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: I didn't miss, was just like, I'm too old to

1231
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: do the a t a thing now where you go

1232
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: out every night for three or four nights straight and

1233
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: then you're up early in the morning going all day.

1234
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that too. I was like, oh man,

1235
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: thank goodness, I'm not doing that because I would just

1236
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: wreck myself. And uh, it's sad to think that at thirty,

1237
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: I think I'm too old, but it's nobody. Nobody warned

1238
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: me that the bars they're open till three am. So

1239
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: it was that was much rougher on me than I

1240
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: that I went in and expecting. Do you remember those days, Dan,

1241
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: when you and me were young and wild and we

1242
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: we closed down the bars in Louisville and those other cities. Yeah, man,

1243
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: that was fun, but I don't miss them. Like Friday

1244
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: night or no, wait, the first night I was in

1245
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: bed by or back in the hotel by nine thirty

1246
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: the second night was like eleven, and the last night

1247
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: was the latest, and I was out past midnight, but

1248
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: before twelve thirty. It doesn't matter because I was drinking

1249
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: ice water at the bar. So I mean it's like

1250
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: those days are over. Man, How times change? How times change?

1251
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: So all right, Well, I do appreciate you guys covering

1252
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: a t a for us and film in on stuff. UM.

1253
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: I'll be back next year, probably, I'm sure. So it

1254
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't bad though, to just chill out this

1255
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: year and watch from the sidelines. But what I can

1256
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: talk about is uh gear that we use this year.

1257
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: I've been meaning to do this for a while because

1258
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: we get so many gear questions. Um, to just walk

1259
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: through some of the different things that I use and

1260
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: that you guys use, maybe point out a few favorites

1261
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: or a few different new things we tried. UM. So

1262
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: I've got no good chronological or organized way of doing this,

1263
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that we just shout out things. Whoever

1264
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: yells first can get the floor and we can talk

1265
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: about something that we like, um, and then we'll just

1266
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: kind of see where the conversation takes us. But I

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Speaker 1: want to point out a product to lead this off

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: that I got sent to me to try this year,

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01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: and I will never not use this product again as

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01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: much as I can possibly make sure I will have

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: this product with me in the future. And that is

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: a hawk screw in gear holder thing of a bobber.

1273
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: You guys know what I'm talking about, the little things

1274
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: that you screw in to hold your bow or something

1275
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: in the tree, or to hang your binoculars or a

1276
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: grunt tube or something off of. And you used to

1277
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: buy these ones that cost like a dollar. You get

1278
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: them Walmart, their brown rubber brown. And what would drive

1279
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: me nuts is that maybe one out of every three

1280
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: of those would have like a blunted tip, Like it

1281
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a good enough sharp tips, so you can

1282
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: never get that sun of a gun to drive into

1283
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: the tree and bite get the threads won't bite. And

1284
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: so I'd sit there. With certain types of trees, you

1285
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: cannot get this stupid thing in the tree, especially if

1286
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: like you had to reach around the tree with maybe

1287
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: your left arm and being an awkward position, you couldn't.

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is just me, but I've

1289
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: had this where I get so frustrated trying to screw

1290
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: these stupid things in I got this one from Hawk.

1291
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how much it costs, maybe five bucks.

1292
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: It's a little it's more expensive, but it's got a

1293
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: really great pointy tip to it, it's got good threads,

1294
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: and this thing's drills into any tree. I throw at

1295
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: it the first time I needed, and it just brought

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: me joy. Every time I had to screw in a

1297
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: bow holder, I smile. I was like, God, this is

1298
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: so much less inconvenient than the old one. So that's

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: my product of the year right there, the little screwing

1300
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: bow holder do hicky from Hawk. Anyone who used one

1301
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: of those, Nope, I'm that guy who spends ten bucks

1302
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: for about forty four hangers, and uh I lose them

1303
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: all by the end of the year. But real quick

1304
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: go to and this is I have no affiliation with

1305
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: this company at all. My buddy Ben showed me this

1306
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: bow hanger system at the A T A show. It's

1307
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: called morph pro more I'm gonna say pro bow hanger

1308
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: system and it's by outright outright hunt dot com. Well

1309
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: what is it after? It's a bow hanging system. You

1310
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: screw these things into the tree and then it's like

1311
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:06,839
Speaker 1: a you know on airlines where they have that connector.

1312
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: It's like a slip connector. You pull the top part

1313
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: off and then you can put it back on. Has

1314
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: a male and female end, and then it has this

1315
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: system that you can connect to it. Dude, it's it's

1316
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: pretty badass. I don't know if I really followed your description,

1317
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: but that's why I say, let's look at us. Guys

1318
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: need to go look it up and we can move on. Okay,

1319
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: fair enough, it's a Boer system bo Hanger system. Alright,

1320
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: very good. Um so to bow Hanger system recommendations there. Um.

1321
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: Speaking of things that you put on a tree real quick.

1322
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: Another thing I tried this year for the first time, UM,

1323
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: was the fourth Arrow camera. A lot of guys have

1324
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: been talking about this new camera arm for guys that

1325
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: film their own hunts or who film other people's hunts. UM. So,

1326
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: for the longest time, I used an old muddy camera arm.

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: This year I tried out the fourth Arrow. UM. I

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: didn't use the carbon model. UM. I should have looked

1329
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: it up and seen what the model I'm using is.

1330
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the non carbon regular model. UM.

1331
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: What's cool about it? If you film your hunts. What's

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: really cool about it from my perspective is that you

1333
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: can adjust the level and angle of the arm almost

1334
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: infinitely because it works on kind of like a ball

1335
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: and socket type of technology. You know, like like your

1336
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: hip phone. I guess you got this ball in there,

1337
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: and then you can loosen or tighten this ball, and

1338
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: that allows you to move that arm in whatever direction

1339
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: you want, so that you can put this camera arm

1340
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: on a tree, no matter what angle the trees at,

1341
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: and then adjust the camera ar. It's just the camera

1342
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: arm to be level and where you need it, much

1343
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: better than the other cameras I've been used in the past.

1344
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: That was super nice. UM. The things I didn't like

1345
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: about it was that it seemed to be just a

1346
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: little bit louder than other cameras I've used. Like the

1347
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: arm itself is hollow, I think, and so any time

1348
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: that something brushed against it, like even um, like the

1349
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: cord that connected my camera to the little remote control

1350
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: I used to adjust zoom and record and focus and

1351
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: stuff on the handle. UM, if that brushed against the arm,

1352
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: it would just make a loud noise, or if you

1353
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: dinged anything against it kind of echoed. UM. That was

1354
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 1: a little thing, um, and then it has a ratchet

1355
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: strap on it to secure the whole thing to the tree.

1356
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: You have to use a ratchet strap. With my old

1357
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: camera arm, they had a different kind of strap system

1358
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: that used, um oh, what's the word? Oh gosh, I

1359
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: don't know. That one had a more silent strap that

1360
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: Muddy produced that I liked. So if I could get

1361
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: this camera arm with the Muddy silence strap, that would

1362
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: be my perfect camera arm right here. UM. I know

1363
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: neither one of you guys are filming your hunts anymore,

1364
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: so you probably haven't used that. But for the guys

1365
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: that are funny, you mentioned that because I had I

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01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: sat down at a bar, one of the bars this week,

1367
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: and I ran into a guy that I knew, and

1368
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: he he said the same thing about the fourth arrow,

1369
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: saying that it's it's really loud, but a different type

1370
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: of a different type of loud, not the hollow tube loud.

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: But like their bushings, maybe it's just a one off too.

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about you know, it could be good,

1373
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: could be bad, whatever. But he said it was loud

1374
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: when he's actually using it. Interesting, you're like when he

1375
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: was when he's moving it around, like at the jumps

1376
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: moving around, so it's a little squeaky. Yeah, yeah, I

1377
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: can see that being the case. I mean, it's got

1378
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: some really good things going for it. Um, the adjustment

1379
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: is really really nice, but like anything, could probably use

1380
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: a few tweaks to Uh, what's what do you got, spencer?

1381
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: You've got anything in your mind that you want to

1382
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: talk about. I was trying to think of something that

1383
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: I used on all of my haunts, whether it was elk, turkey,

1384
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: why tails or shotgun, archery rifle. Uh, and there's not

1385
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: much that crosses over to everything. I can think of

1386
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: one thing, uh, my Sitka incinerator hand muff, and I

1387
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: literally used it on every hunt I had this fall.

1388
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: I just hate wearing big gloves no matter what I'm doing.

1389
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: And I used to wear glomets, which you don't have

1390
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: the kind of the hand muff that you flip back,

1391
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: but then it's still a really bulky glove. And I

1392
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: use that for a while and it was okay unless

1393
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: he were like archery hunting, I didn't like it, but

1394
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: the Sitka incinerator mouff I I took it duck hunting

1395
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: when I was in a tree stand when I was

1396
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: haunting Elk and I love that ability to keep my

1397
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: hands warm but not have a bunch of stuff on

1398
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: my hands. Yeah, I I my buddy further he uses

1399
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: one of those further uses one of those mits, one

1400
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: of those what do you call it? It's a met

1401
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: right or incinerator muff muff that's where it's from. Muff um.

1402
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like a handy tool. Speaking of

1403
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: sick of gear um and I can't remember if I

1404
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: mentioned this on a past podcast episode or not, but

1405
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: if you are interested in hearing about the entire sit

1406
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: of gear system that I wear in great detail about it,

1407
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: why I wear the stuff I wear, what I like

1408
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: about it, etcetera. I did a YouTube video on it

1409
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: this fall during hunting season. If you go to the

1410
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: wire Dunt YouTube channel or if you search Sitka Gear

1411
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: whitetail review, you'll find that you can get all my

1412
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on that stuff. Um. But I want to point

1413
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: out something I wore from sick of this year that

1414
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 1: I didn't wear for deer hunting. Um. But SIA actually

1415
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: just launched a new category. They launched a new category

1416
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 1: of clothes kind of just like lifestyle stuff, stuff for

1417
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: training or scouting or just hanging out. Um, And they

1418
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: sent me a few things to use this past year

1419
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: that I just wore all the time when I I

1420
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: was living out of my camper out west, you know,

1421
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: on my trips this past year. Um. The Sitka Territory

1422
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 1: pant is basically like a I don't know how to

1423
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: describe it, like a light, um soft shell type pant.

1424
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: Probably lighter than what most people would consider a soft

1425
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: shell pant. Just a really light kind of camping or

1426
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: fishing type pant that drives really quickly. Um, really comfortable,

1427
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: a little of stretched to it. I wore like on

1428
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: all my hikes I wore when I was fishing. I

1429
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: wore all sorts of things really like that. And then

1430
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: their new Redline performance shirts, so like a T shirt

1431
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: and a long sleeve shirt. Um, kind of like you

1432
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: know what people would wear for like, uh, I don't know,

1433
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: outdoor activities in the summer, really lightweight wi sweat absorb sunrays, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

1434
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: I wore that for all my hiking and stuff. Too

1435
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: great for waking away the sweat. Comfortable, Um, you know,

1436
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: just a nice light, convenient piece to wear in non

1437
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: hunting activities. So that was kind of a new thing

1438
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: I wore from them that I did like, um and

1439
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see how they expand that line,

1440
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, coming years and see if people use that

1441
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff more often. But that was a new

1442
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: piece of gear I liked on that front. Dan, you

1443
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: want to jump on something, well, I'll tell you what

1444
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: this year was different for me because I did I

1445
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: had a lot of change as far as my bow

1446
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: arrow broadhead set up. In full disclosure, the nine Finger

1447
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: Chronicles is sponsored by gear Head Bows and Wasp broadheads, right,

1448
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: so just know that before I tell you this. But

1449
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: we did a product review on all the bows at

1450
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: the last a t A show, and like Prime was

1451
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: up there and gear Head Archery was up there, right.

1452
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, I shot a new bow. I love it, um,

1453
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: so take that what it's worth. I shot my new

1454
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: uh Boss four blade broadhead that dude, I love, not

1455
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: huge broadheads, but the smaller broadheads with more blades. Right,

1456
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: So it's four blades. And I went to a four

1457
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: fletched arrow and in the front of the arrow it

1458
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: had an outsirt and that arrow was Zeller Arrows and

1459
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: it has an outsurd on the front end, so it

1460
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: it has a little bit greater fo c. Uh, it's

1461
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: a heavier arrow. It's for people, So for people that

1462
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know archery jargon, can you explain what an outsert is?

1463
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: And can you explain what foc you know, very very

1464
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: high level what that means and why that matters? Right? Right, So,

1465
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: an outsirt is instead of it's the opposite of an

1466
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: insert where you screw your broad head into the you know,

1467
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: the center of the arrow. An outsirt is glued into

1468
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 1: the arrow and then you screw your broadhead into the

1469
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: outskirt and it's just a little extra weight. And fo

1470
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: C is front of center and what when it comes

1471
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: to archery, a higher front o center or front of

1472
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: center fo C means that that arrow stabilizes a little

1473
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: bit quicker. Uh. And you know when you see those

1474
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: slow motions. You know, you guys have both seen the

1475
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: slow motion of an arrow, Uh, once comes off the bow. Yeah,

1476
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: just completely bends. Yeah, it's nuts. Right. So that along

1477
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: with the four fletch on the back of the arrow,

1478
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: is supposed to help like straighten that arrow out faster.

1479
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: And the what the four fletchings do is uh I'm

1480
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: sure there's people out there who may correct me if

1481
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because I am in no way, shape or

1482
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: form like a gear junkie when it comes to arrow

1483
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: set up and all the technical stuff. But it helps

1484
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: create more drag on the back end, which helps also

1485
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: straighten the arrow out. So I was shooting a heavier

1486
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: arrow with uh higher foc and more drag on the

1487
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: back end to get that arrow straighter faster, and so

1488
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: I was had a lot of momentum and a lot

1489
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: of kinetic energy. So did you feel like you saw

1490
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: that um when you were practicing? Did you feel like

1491
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: your group's tightened? Could you notice it or was it

1492
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: just something that, yeah, this is supposed to work, you

1493
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: trust that works, but it wasn't that noticeable. Yeah, man,

1494
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: I tell you what I could note. I noticed a difference,

1495
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: especially at longer ranges. Um. You know, you practice a lot,

1496
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: and you can have bad form at twenty yards and

1497
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: you can put a group together, but when you're backing

1498
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: up and you're shooting at you know, forty fifty sixty yards,

1499
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of that matters at that point. So I

1500
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I felt, and like we talked,

1501
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: this is what we talked about a lot whene we

1502
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: talk about gear is confidence, right. I felt really confident

1503
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: with that setup this year, and uh, it allowed me

1504
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: to take the longest kill shot I've ever taken on

1505
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: a white tail, and that was over thirty yards. And

1506
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I felt confident using that equipment,

1507
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: confident using that gear, and I was able to practice.

1508
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I and I did practice a lot this summer, probably

1509
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: more than I've ever practiced, so UM, that probably helped

1510
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, yeah, I I I did a

1511
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: little bit of the same thing and that I UM,

1512
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: I tried to increase my front center by using a

1513
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: heavier broadhead, so I switched from a hundred grain to

1514
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: t grains um to move that foc point farther up.

1515
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: And UM, that's something that I think helped to Um.

1516
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: Are you gonna switch releases this year? Because last year

1517
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: you talked about switching to a hinge style release to

1518
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: use it a little bit, and then you end up

1519
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: saying it's too late to make the switch. Are you

1520
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: gonna make the switch this year or what I'm gonna try? Um?

1521
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: And if anything, it's just gonna be to practice, right,

1522
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it to practice and practice and then

1523
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: I may just hunt with a trigger release. But um, yeah,

1524
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna give that the back

1525
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: tension a try again. Nice Why why why would you

1526
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: practice with it all the time though, if you didn't

1527
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: want to shoot it, what would be the point of

1528
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: practicing with that kind of release and then switching to

1529
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: a trigger puncher. Um, I don't know, man, just because

1530
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: you're still not confident that you well, I've write some things.

1531
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: I've just some readings people saying that you know back

1532
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: tension really and if this is just a couple of articles,

1533
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you who wrote them. But like,

1534
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: a back tension release is great for target archery and

1535
01:26:55,200 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: great for UM practice. But in the moment of ruth,

1536
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 1: when you I don't know, when you're wearing additional clothing,

1537
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: when you're where you know, when you know, do you

1538
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: are moving all around in the timber, it might not

1539
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: be the best possible bet. But I'm sure there's a

1540
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people out there who are going to listen

1541
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: to this that tell me I'm wrong, right, So that's

1542
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: just one article that I've read. I would love if

1543
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: someone would say, hey, no, dude, you're actually wrong. Uh

1544
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, message me or something. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

1545
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: I've always thought the same thing. So like when I

1546
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: was making a switch to a back tension type release

1547
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: process and when I've been looking at switching to an

1548
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: actual back tension release, I had the same concerns, but

1549
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: have heard from guys who said, no, you actually can control,

1550
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: like like our you know Andy may Our friend Andy

1551
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,440
Speaker 1: has been helping me work through some of my archery adjustments,

1552
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: and um, he swears by the fact that he can

1553
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: get a great release whenever he wants it using that

1554
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: kind of back tension release, So I don't know. Um.

1555
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: Back to bows, though, I switched to new bow as well.

1556
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: This year I started shooting the Matthews Halan thirty two

1557
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: and um Man, that was definitely a positive experience of

1558
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: that as well. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I didn't

1559
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: kill anything with it this year, unfortunately, but that wasn't

1560
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: the bow's fault. That was the hunter's fault. Um. But

1561
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: with that the thing I was most impressed with and

1562
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: with the Halan the past couple of years, when Field

1563
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: and stream or Outdoor Life did their big bow tests,

1564
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: they went through and tested all these bows on all

1565
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: these things, the Halan and then the Halan third two

1566
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: both finished the number one or number two if I

1567
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: remember right. Overall, I think and then also like as

1568
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: far as quiet, like sound and vibration, it was like

1569
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: tops in those categories, so I knew that coming into it.

1570
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: But that was the thing that stood up to me

1571
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 1: the most is just how weirdly quiet it seemed compared

1572
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: to pass bows that shot. I never thought I had

1573
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: a loud bow, and then when I shot this, it

1574
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: was just like weird. It sounded wrong because of how

1575
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: different it was, But as I got used to it,

1576
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: I just really liked the fact that was so quiet.

1577
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: So that was my big takeaway from it, or just

1578
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: a joy to shoot. Um decided to hopefully kill something

1579
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: with it this year, Um and tell you how that goes.

1580
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 1: But it was a beautiful thing to shoot and practice

1581
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: sessions at least, Um Spencer, what what were you shooting?

1582
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 1: I shoot a Halon six and I just started shooting

1583
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: that last year and it was kind of the same

1584
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of feeling that it was a huge difference, just

1585
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: noticeably better bow. And it wasn't because the last bow

1586
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: that I was shooting was you know, brand X. It

1587
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: was just because I had an upgraded since, like I

1588
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: don't know, two thousand eleven or two thousand and ten,

1589
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: and so seven years of technology on top of that

1590
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: made a huge difference no matter what brand you would

1591
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: go with. But I really loved my Halon six that

1592
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: I had. Nice, nice, Yeah, that's it seemed to get

1593
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: good reviews for most people. And it's hard to go

1594
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: wrong with a lot of these bows these days. I mean,

1595
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: all the new bows from most of the you know

1596
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 1: the man the reputable manufacturers, they're all pretty darn good bows.

1597
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: Um it's kind of a matter of finding the right fit,

1598
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: the right feel for you. You know what your priorities

1599
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: are as far as do I want a fast bow,

1600
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Do I want to really quiet bow? Do I want

1601
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: a really small bow? You know, looking at your whatever

1602
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: circumstances you're gonna be hunting in. Um So, there are

1603
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: a lot of great options out there, which is which

1604
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: is great for us as hunters. I think the matter

1605
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: going out there and shooting a bunch right absolutely, man. Okay,

1606
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: before we move on to our next category, I want

1607
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: to take our final break of the day and think

1608
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: our partners at Maven Optics, and you may have seen

1609
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: this across Facebook or social media, but Maybe has just

1610
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: announced that they're launching a new category of products for

1611
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: the brand this year, and that is rifle scopes. And

1612
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,640
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1613
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: a while, but not with rifle scopes. They've got a

1614
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,559
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1615
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,679
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1616
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: as Super High End e D class which is extra

1617
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: low dispersion glass. And what this means is that it

1618
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: prevents or minimizes chromatic ambiration, and in layman's terms, that

1619
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: just simply means that you get a cleaner and brighter

1620
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: image and of course terrific performance in low light conditions,

1621
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that you want when you're hunting

1622
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: with a high end rifle scope. So if you'd like

1623
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:25,280
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1624
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,960
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1625
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,000
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1626
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,920
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1627
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,600
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1628
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: two dollar off promo, so check it out at maven

1629
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: built dot com category. Well, I don't know, I think Mark,

1630
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: I know you you use them, but Spencer, what what

1631
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: tree stands do you use? Well? It depends for my

1632
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 1: permanent setups or set up set I throw up in

1633
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: you know, the spring or summer and even til winter.

1634
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: It is always the thirty five dollar on sale tree

1635
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: stand that I can find it Menard's or Dicks or

1636
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Cabella's whatever. My mobile set up. My mobile setup is

1637
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: I use a Hawk Helium for both the sticks and

1638
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: the actual tree stand. What do you think about this? Real? Sorry? Dan,

1639
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 1: I know you're going somewhere with us, but I want

1640
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: to hear what he thought about that set up real quick.

1641
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I I really enjoyed the sticks I've tried. I didn't

1642
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: buy all the other brand sticks, but my bodies have

1643
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: them and I've tried them out. My favorite sticks were

1644
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: by far the Helium's um. Now stand wise, I didn't

1645
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: notice a huge difference going from Hawk to lone Wolf

1646
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: to you know whatever. I really enjoy the Helium and

1647
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a helium xl um. So I like

1648
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: that set up. I don't do a ton of mobile

1649
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: hunts at this point where I have to throw something

1650
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: up in a hurry, but I would feel more than

1651
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: confident that this is one of the better setups out

1652
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: there using the Hawk Helium sticks and Entree stand. Yeah,

1653
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna comment on that because I tried the

1654
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Helium Xcel tree stand this year and the Helium climbing

1655
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: sticks as well. Um. The stand I liked. It was light, um,

1656
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: and I love the seat cushion, super comfortable seat cushion.

1657
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: I thought all that was good. Um. I wouldn't have

1658
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: gotten the Excel version again, just because it's too big

1659
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: of a platform for me. I like like small, because

1660
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: I want something that's just not going to be big

1661
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: on my backpack when I'm packing them in there, and

1662
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: it's I want as light as possible, So I would

1663
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: have gotten a smaller version. I'm pretty sure they have

1664
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: a smaller version. Um. The sticks I didn't like as much. Um,

1665
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 1: They're fine, Like, they worked pretty good. Um, they worked well,

1666
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: but it just they didn't fit together as nicely as

1667
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: quietly as some of the other ones. And then and

1668
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,560
Speaker 1: then I've had some issues with the buckle mechanism, the

1669
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: attachment mechanism for the straps that go around the tree. Um.

1670
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe these, but they they've

1671
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: got like a plastic cook within a spring loaded metal clip.

1672
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: And um, number one, it can be loud if they

1673
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: bang against things. Number Two, I had an example where

1674
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know how to describe how

1675
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I did this, but somehow I was testing the stick

1676
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and I clipped this thing onto the other side of

1677
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: the stick around a post in my barn. And the

1678
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: long story short of it is that it's got stuck.

1679
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: It got pushed into far I couldn't get the stupid

1680
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: thing off. It was really frustrating. Um. It just seemed

1681
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: like if you could accidentally push this thing in so

1682
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 1: far that you couldn't get it off again. That was

1683
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: that was a concern, like I may not be the

1684
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: smartest tool in the shed, but if it happened to me,

1685
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: maybe it would happen to other people too. So that

1686
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: was the one other thing. A little bit of an

1687
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 1: issue with their clip and attachment mechanism. But what are

1688
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: you thinking, Dan, You know what I'm gonna say, right?

1689
01:34:56,120 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the and I was It's not that it

1690
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: was a new piece of gear, but it's it's a

1691
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: it was an experience that I had this year. You

1692
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: know how how I killed my dear walk into a

1693
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: new piece of property with the stand on your back.

1694
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: I was a mobile. I was able to use it

1695
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: the way it was designed to be used, and I

1696
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: found success doing it that way. And it's just one

1697
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: of those things where again, you gain a little bit

1698
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: more confidence in your equipment when everything goes right. Yeah, yeah, man,

1699
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: I do. I do love those Lone Wolf stands and sticks.

1700
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe I'm a little bit critical of the

1701
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: Hawk sticks just because I'm so used to the Lone

1702
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: Wolf set up, like I do love. They call it

1703
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: the Versa button, right, It's just a cloth loop that

1704
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: you put around the button and you tighten it down.

1705
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: It's just easy. It's easy. It's pretty quiet. Um. Now,

1706
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: my favorite sticks are actually the Muddy sticks. They have

1707
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: the rope camp system. There's no buckle at all. You

1708
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: just put the rope around the tree and then sinch it. Um.

1709
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: That's my favorite stick. But um, but the Lone Wolf

1710
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: stands are still hard to beat for me too. Those

1711
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: are the ones I use for all my mobile setups

1712
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: as well. Um, there's there are there are more and more. Yeah,

1713
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna say there are more and more high

1714
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: quality portable setups. So like, it's nice to see more

1715
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: companies are focusing on that and putting out lightweight, quiet stands. Um.

1716
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's because more and more people are

1717
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 1: hunting that way, right, right, That's what I would assume,

1718
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, with it being harder and harder to find

1719
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: you know, private ground or have access to that kind

1720
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: of thing, and people are having to go onto public

1721
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: to hunt. Yeah. Now, Mark, you ed said that you

1722
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: thought the Helium x L was too big. Did you

1723
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 1: think it like way too much or the platform was

1724
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: too big or what did you think the problem was there?

1725
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: It was just um, it was just the platform is

1726
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: too big. So I I would have liked to get

1727
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: If I'm right, I think I'm right. Correct me if

1728
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. But I think that there's a regular

1729
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: healing them and then there's a Helium x L. Am

1730
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: I correct on that. The Helium I believe has been discontinued.

1731
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 1: Well not it, they just haven't been selling them online anymore.

1732
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: So I think unless you find them in a store

1733
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: that you won't have a chance to get one, gotcha.

1734
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 1: So I like the Basic Princess, I like the Helium

1735
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: XCEL I liked it. I just wish that I had

1736
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a smaller version of it because I want the smallest,

1737
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: lowest weight, smallest surface area tree stand I can get,

1738
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: because I just want something that I can get through

1739
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: the woods really easy, like when I'm sneaking in a

1740
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: hunt a new spot sometimes like in public land or something,

1741
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm like going through briars and crap, and like if

1742
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: there's something sticking way out outside of my backpack on

1743
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: my back that's clipping against branches or down trees or things,

1744
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: that's a pain in the butt. So I want just

1745
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: something as small and as light as I can possibly get.

1746
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: So the lone wolf stand I use as the assault,

1747
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: which is the really small one. UM. I know a

1748
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 1: lot of guys like the big platform because they want

1749
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: more space to be able to stand up there and

1750
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: spread the you know, spread out a little bit. Um,

1751
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: I am fine with a small platform, So this is

1752
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: a personal preference things. For the size that it was,

1753
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: it seemed pretty darn lightweight. I don't remember what the

1754
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: exact weight on it was, UM, but it did not

1755
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: feel significantly heavier than my long wolf as salt, and

1756
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: it did have a larger surface area, so that was.

1757
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lightweight. It's nice. UM. I

1758
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: just kind of like smaller, more compact, just from a

1759
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: portability standpoint. Anything else on tree stands. Oh thanks so man, Okay,

1760
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: I got touch on optics real quick because I tried

1761
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: two new optics this year. UM. And you know, we

1762
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: work with may even so I'm using Mayven Optics And

1763
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: they came out with a spotting scope this year which

1764
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 1: I used. Super nice spotting scope. I'm not I can't say,

1765
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, I've used every other spotting scope out there.

1766
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: I haven't used all the other all the others and

1767
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: compared them, so I can't say this, um, you know

1768
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: with that kind of context. But what I can say

1769
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,560
Speaker 1: is I used it out there, you know, looking for

1770
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 1: white tales in Montana. I used it here in Michigan

1771
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: doing my long range scouting for holy Field and in

1772
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: these different deer like that. UM, and it it just

1773
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: does the job really really crystal clear, great performance in

1774
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: low light. I was very happy with that. UM. But

1775
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: the thing that I think is more relevant for white

1776
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: tail hunters, UM is the new mid level by no

1777
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: they came out this year, UM called the C one

1778
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: in the past the past Maven binoculars that I've used

1779
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: their high end optics, so they're pretty expensive, you know,

1780
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: a thousand dollar optics more than that. Even the cool

1781
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,799
Speaker 1: thing about Maven was that because they only operate direct consumer,

1782
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: you have to buy them right from their website, they

1783
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: don't have the markups that you see with a lot

1784
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: of other brands that sell in stores, So that was

1785
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: like the kind of selling point. But it was still

1786
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: a high end optics. So those price points were probably

1787
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: more expensive than most white tail hunters want to spend

1788
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of white tail guys don't

1789
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: think that they need to really fancy optics like Western

1790
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: hunters tend to. Um. I feel like a lot of

1791
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 1: Western guys are willing to spend thousands of dollars and

1792
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: optics because they spend all day behind the glass, you know,

1793
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: searching out hillsides a mile or two away. But us

1794
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: white tellers, we don't do that that much. Um. So

1795
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: Maven put out this new binocular it's called the C one,

1796
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: and it tried to you know, hit the sweet spot

1797
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 1: as far as price point. So it's only a hun

1798
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: and what they were able to do is they were

1799
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of able to take the same kind of glass

1800
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: and technology that they were using in their higher end optics,

1801
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: packaged it a little bit, you know, not quite as

1802
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,600
Speaker 1: fancy of knick knacks and patty wacks on it that

1803
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 1: the higher end had, but still a damn good binocular

1804
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: UM that I used for most of this season. It was.

1805
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: It was very very happy with it again, good bye OS.

1806
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: I think where you see the differences in low light,

1807
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, so if you can, I've had many times,

1808
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: many times were almost you know, at darker after dark

1809
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: you can still see a deer hundred two hundred yards

1810
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: away and tell is that the buck up? And after

1811
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: is that a shooter buck? Is that a mature buck

1812
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: or something? With a really good binocular you can see that.

1813
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: I've had that coming really handy with these, so really

1814
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: happy with them. And I think that price point makes

1815
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: it a particularly relevant thing to mention for white tail

1816
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: guys if you're looking for a new binocular that definitely

1817
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: it's a significant bump up from you know, most of

1818
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: your stuff that you're buying at a Walmart. Cabellas Dick

1819
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: Sporting gives the basics, UM, this is a great way

1820
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: to get an improvement, but not spend a ton of money. Um,

1821
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: that was my my optics kind of new tests this year.

1822
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have been trying anything

1823
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: different or have any other things that you'd recommend. No, man,

1824
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I wish I had any something more groundbreaking. My my

1825
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: setup was other than my arrow setup was pretty much

1826
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: the same from previous years. You know, did you try

1827
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: anything else? Knew at all to Spencer any other gear otherwise?

1828
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: Any any Well, with the optics, I went with a

1829
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: new range finder this year and with the Vortex Impact,

1830
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,600
Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, with that hand off, I

1831
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 1: like things that cross over nicely that I can take

1832
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 1: l hunting, deer hunting, turkey hunting, stuff like that. And

1833
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 1: the Impact for Vortex was perfect because it did angle compensating,

1834
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: so it was great if you're in a tree stand.

1835
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: Um it had the ability to range out to like

1836
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: eight fifty, but it could still pick up a deer

1837
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 1: at like four hundred, so it was awesome for that.

1838
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: So it was just another piece of gear that I could,

1839
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, use for whatever. And it was it was

1840
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: really cheap too. I believe it was under three dollars,

1841
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: which for being feature rich like that, you usually don't find,

1842
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: and then the glass was really good on as well.

1843
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 1: I've used some cheaper range finders in the past that

1844
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: you could look through and you didn't know what you

1845
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: were looking at because there's not much for magnification there,

1846
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: and so if you don't have like quality glass, you're

1847
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: just not gonna be able to tell what you're looking

1848
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 1: at low lights. It was really excited about that and

1849
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: something I'll continue using going forward. Um outside of optics

1850
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: for new I went to a stick and pick mini

1851
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: mount this year. Uh for a lot of my trail

1852
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: cameras and how to go to we are the great planes.

1853
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:03,679
Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of trees, so I hunt

1854
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: a lot of slews. I had a lot of field edges,

1855
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: and the perfect tree just doesn't exist quite often. And

1856
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: these are awesome because a lot of people look at

1857
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: like a trail camera stick and be like, oh, yeah,

1858
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,560
Speaker 1: that one just stabs into the ground or whatever. But

1859
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: the mini mount folds up to be like I don't know,

1860
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, shorter than your arm, and it can fit

1861
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: in the backpack and they're really light. Uh, they can

1862
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: go three six degrees, they can look up or down

1863
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: whatever you want, and so that's become perfect for me

1864
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: for somebody who's really picky about, you know, where the

1865
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: trail camera goes, and it's allowed me to put it

1866
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: in places that I couldn't in the past. Yeah. Yeah,

1867
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: I use a couple of sticking picks too, and I

1868
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: really like those as well. Handy to have, that's for sure. Um.

1869
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: And speaking of range finders, that's something I need to

1870
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: upgrade this year. I haven't changed my range finder in

1871
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: like seven years. I'm using like a really old bushnell

1872
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: that just like you said, Um, it doesn't work well

1873
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: in low light, so I can't see anything in there.

1874
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: The the LED or the l c D numbers and

1875
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,679
Speaker 1: stuff are really dim. It's hard to read that stuff.

1876
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of just it's it's maxed out. It's life expectancy.

1877
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 1: So I might have to check out that one you

1878
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: mentioned or some others and and look at some options

1879
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: this year, because that's definitely spotted in an upgrade. Um.

1880
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: One of the big change I added this year. Um,

1881
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: And this is probably my final piece of new gear.

1882
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: Was I tried and you mentioned this earlier, Dan from

1883
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: the ozone standpoint, everyone's jumped on the ozone bandwagon, you know. Um.

1884
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: And probably the like Ozonics was pretty clearly the first

1885
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 1: one trying something with that. The second one to the

1886
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 1: game was this company sent crusher, and they sent me

1887
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: some of their products to try this year. So I

1888
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: used the scent Crusher bag and sent crusher tote um

1889
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: pretty consistently throughout the whole season. Um, And I don't

1890
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: know what I think about them, to tell you the truth,

1891
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think the concept makes sense mostly

1892
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,759
Speaker 1: um because I have seen ozonics work in the field,

1893
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Like that's something that I can kind of point to

1894
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I've seen a very different reaction from

1895
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 1: deer when using it versus when not using it, and

1896
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: that's like an impact you can see. So that has

1897
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: made it easy for me to say, yes, I think

1898
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: this helps when it comes to an Zox machine. With

1899
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: a scent crusher bag, you're kind of putting a little

1900
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: more more faith into it because you're doing something to

1901
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: your clothing before the hunt and then going out there

1902
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: in the woods and then hoping it made an impact.

1903
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 1: But it's hard to it's hard to quantify that, you know, um,

1904
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: So if you're not familiar. Essentially, scent crusher creates bags, closets,

1905
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: totes that you put your clothing in, and then it

1906
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 1: uh fills that bag or compartment with ozone, which changes

1907
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 1: scent molecules, breaks down scent molecules to the point where

1908
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 1: they cannot be recognized by deers human scent um. That's

1909
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: what an azox machine does too, But this just does

1910
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: it to the clothing beforehand. So I put all my

1911
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: stuff in the bag. I ran the ozone every night. Um.

1912
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: I assume it helped. I know it helped. I'm sure

1913
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 1: it helped some. I just don't know to what degree

1914
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: it helped. You can definitely tell. I would go out

1915
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: in the early season, like I was going out and

1916
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: hunting in Montana in September, and it was degrees and

1917
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: I was just drenched in sweat by the end of

1918
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: the hunt. By the end of the time I hiked

1919
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: to the stand really um, and so that stuff would

1920
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: have a bo smell to it by the time I

1921
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: was done the evening. I would throw that stuff in

1922
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 1: the bag at night, I would run it for thirty minutes,

1923
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: and the next day you don't smell that bo anywhere

1924
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: you smell. There's that ozone smell that I know. You know,

1925
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 1: dan um, But there's not the human sweaty stink smelled

1926
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: to it. So anecdotally from like a personal human nose standpoint,

1927
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: seemed to work. Um. I just don't know how that

1928
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: translates to, you know, did it help me five percent

1929
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: more on the field that it helped me two percent

1930
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: more to help more? I don't know. I didn't see

1931
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: like some noticeable reduction in the number of deer that

1932
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 1: winded me. You know, UM, any damage to any of

1933
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: your clothing. You know a lot of guys talk about

1934
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: the last dick on certain things. Once it stretches, it

1935
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 1: doesn't go back. Yeah. Man, So that was the next thing.

1936
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: I was going to mention that that was the one

1937
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 1: major downside. And this can be blamed on me because

1938
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: I knew that this could happen and I just made

1939
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: a mistake. So I've been told, um, the owner of

1940
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: sent Crusher, I think it's the owner of the President

1941
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: had told me that there are certain rubbers um that

1942
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: can be broken down by ozone UM. And so then

1943
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,560
Speaker 1: through people I knew it's Sia and other people that

1944
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: wear sick Of gear, they said that the rubber used

1945
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 1: in the suspender straps on Sitka gears bibbs. It's one

1946
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: of those types of materials that ozone will break down.

1947
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: So I knew not to put my bibbs into the

1948
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: scent crusher tote. I knew not to do that, So

1949
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 1: most of the season I didn't do that. But get

1950
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: to the rut and I had hunted, you know, days

1951
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 1: and days and days and days in a row for

1952
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 1: the full day, all day. And when you get done

1953
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: with a hunt at night, I'm so tired, I'm cold,

1954
01:47:58,120 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm wet, I just want to get inside the house.

1955
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 1: I just want to get home, whatever it might be.

1956
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: And one night I forgot and I just threw all

1957
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 1: my gear in the toe and turned it on. I

1958
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: didn't think about my bibs. Next day, when I opened

1959
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: up the toad, I've realized there's my bib strap that

1960
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 1: was like completely destroyed. Um So that happened. One of

1961
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: the straps is okay, one of the straps. I don't

1962
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: know how to describe it. It's just like all the

1963
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 1: rubber kind of just decomposed almost there's just a little

1964
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: strands of fabric that are still holding it together. Um

1965
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: So that was a that was a serious bummer and

1966
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: a lesson learned. Um, just be aware if you've got

1967
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: any kind of like rubber elastic bib or strap or

1968
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 1: something that if you're using any kind of ozone product.

1969
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: And like you said, Dan, there's a bunch of different

1970
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 1: companies now they are making containers, generators, different things that

1971
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: put ozone on your clothes and stuff. Be aware that

1972
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: it can damage certain rubbers. Um, and and try to

1973
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: figure out if your clothes or your gear as that

1974
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 1: and avoid that. Um. Because I kind of ruined a

1975
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: really expensive, nice pair of bibs because I've made that mistake,

1976
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: So that was a bummer. Any other final pieces of

1977
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 1: gear thoughts before we wrap this one up? I'm good man,

1978
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Have you rambled enough for your

1979
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:27,719
Speaker 1: spencer on this one. That's plenty for over ninety minutes,

1980
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: so that's really gonna educate some people. Yeah, alright, well

1981
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: then I think we'll we'll wrap it up. Hopefully this

1982
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: coming year, we'll troy out some new things and we'll

1983
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: actually pay attention to them while we're using them, and

1984
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:48,560
Speaker 1: we'll put together some well thought out, meaningful feedback on

1985
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: those products for the next year rather than having these

1986
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 1: random off the wall comments. UM. Hopefully there's something helpful

1987
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: here though, So let's just tie Nott on this one

1988
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: and wrap it up, and that is it. So I

1989
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: just want to, as we do every week, think again

1990
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 1: our partners who helped make all this possible. Big thank

1991
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: you to Sit to Gear Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics,

1992
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and

1993
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: hunt or Maps, and finally, of course, thank you all

1994
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: for sticking with us on this one, to hearing us

1995
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: out as we uh rant and ramble about gear. Hopefully

1996
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,679
Speaker 1: it was helpful. If you're one of those lucky guys

1997
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 1: that still has a hunting season going on, good luck.

1998
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: And if not, if your season is done like mine is,

1999
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: enjoy a little break, take a deep breath, and get

2000
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: ready to start preparing for two thousand eighteen. And so

2001
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: until next time, thanks again and stay wired to hunt,