1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: Book Club book Club, book Club book Club. It's the 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Cool Zone Media book Club, the book club where you 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 2: don't have to do the reading because I do it 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: for you. I'm Margaret Giljoy and this week and this 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: month on cool Zone Media book Club, we have missives 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: from the future. That's right, it's week two of Cool 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Zone twenty fifty four Reports from the dinoh War. And 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: what if we have from the future, Well, let's find out. 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cool Zone twenty fifty four Reports from the 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: dinoh War. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and alongside the 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: rest of the Cool Zone team, we're covering everything World 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: War three point five. Alongside some of the rest of 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: the team, I spent the past week in Helsinki, Finland 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: at Dino Con four and I'm excited to share with 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: you all what I've learned. But first, this podcast wouldn't 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: even be here if it weren't for our biggest sponsor, 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: the one the Old Dino Cadence. What started as an 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: avant garde dinosaur dance troupe soon became the world's premier 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: network of combat academies. If you're serious about dino riding, 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: you need to get serious about dino cadence. Admission is free, 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: but spots are limited. So apply today to save the 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: world tomorrow. When the wheels of the ancient seven thirty 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: seven hit the runway at Helsinki, Vanta, I wasn't the 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: only one to breathe out a sigh of relief. We'd 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: made it, we landed, we were on the ground, which is, 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: from my point of view, where we belong. You will 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: not catch me riding a pterodactyl, and not just because 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm far too old for it. And look, I wasn't 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: worried about the plane falling apart. Ever since the cooperativization 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: of Boeing in twenty thirty seven, when workers took over 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: the beleaguered company, it's gone from producing the world's least 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: reliable airplanes back to producing some of the world's best. No, 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: I was worried about getting shot out of the sky. 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 2: I just flown in from free Poland, which meant flying 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: over three different nationalists occupied Baltic states. Every journalist is 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: a war journalist. In World War three point five, the plane, 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: like any post war retrofit, was equipped for non electric 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: flight in the case of EMP. But I've been in 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: planes hit by EMPs twice in my life already, and 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: it is never fun. Capable of not crashing is an 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: entirely different thing from comfortable flight. Our seven thirty seven 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: was also equipped with its own Vishnu shield in case 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: of incoming surface to air missiles. But for the past year, 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: of course, nationalist forces in Estonia have had the habit 46 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: of firing dummy rockets at more or less everything flying 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: anywhere near their airspace. The whole flight, I told myself 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: I was getting too old for this shit, and I 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: tried to distract myself with work like I always do. 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: I caught up on about a week's worth of email, 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: and I figured out my dino kon itinery. Then we 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: landed and I stepped out into the unseasonably warm Helsinki 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: December air Can you even say unseasonably anymore? Does that 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: even mean anything anymore? Like It's like every morning God 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: spins a big spinny wheel with numbers from negative thirty 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: to about one hundred and thirty to determine how hot 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: it's going to be. I guess that only works if 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: you're one of us weird old poor people who can't 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: internally shift to celsius negative thirty to plus fifty. I 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: don't know, do your own Celsius math, you metric men. 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: I stepped out into that pleasant air, and we took 62 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: the train into town, and I looked out the window 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: and I remembered I love Helsinki, and I love my job, 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: and flying is just part of it, and danger is 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: just part of it. And that's okay. It's funny how 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: our conscious mind works to forget danger as soon as 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: it passes. Funny how hard our unconscious mind works to 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: hold on to the memory of fear. But unless you've 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: got that sorrophobia, there's nothing to be afraid of at 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: Dinocon besides having too much fun hanging out with dinosaurs 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: and their riders. Well, I mean besides the microraptor incident 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: at Dinocon too, but that won't happen again. Probably, when 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: you first come in through the gates, after the security 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: checkpoint that I'm legally required to not tell you about 75 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: in detail, the first thing you see is Captain Emily 76 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: Hanford Junior herself and of course her faithful Trigger, that 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: is to say, the most decorated dinosaur and dinosaur rider respectively. 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: Trigger was waving and smiling, hair pulled back into that 79 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: don't fuck with the librarian bun that they single handedly 80 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: brought back into style. Their uniform was gleaming with metals 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: from the war and little one inch buttons from bands 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: they listen to. Captain Emily Hanford Junior is, of course 83 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: an ankliosaurus, and I've never been able to tell a 84 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: reptile's mood by looking at its face, and I think 85 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: people who claim they can are lying. But she seemed 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: happy enough and occasionally nuzzled her massive head into Trigger's 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: shoulder for scretches. I wasn't able to catch an interview 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: with Trigger that morning, but if you listened to last 89 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: April's episode why do we use medals at all? In 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: an internationalist army? You can hear me and mi along 91 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: talk to them at length. It's mostly just war stories 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: that episode, but you know they're good stories. It's controversial 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: for internationalist forces to have any sort of mascot soldiers 94 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: at all, but whatever a claim Trigger gets, Trigger has earned. 95 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: My first stop at DINOCN four was, of course the 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: Swag Table flash, a little cool Zone media badge explain 97 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: that don't worry, you're not Robert Evans, and no you 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: haven't seen Robert Evans and know you will not be 99 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: commenting on the news about Robert Evans, and you are 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: set up with one of the coolest swag bags ever 101 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: produced this year. It was a plush anchor Leosaurus backpack 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: filled the overflowing with do dads in general promo, a 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: little floaty pen with a pack of raptors chasing away 104 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: a cartoonish Nazi. A mug that reads I survived the 105 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: dinoh War so far, but death is inevitable and comes 106 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: for kings and commoners alike. So really, my goal isn't 107 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: to survive, but to live a full life and live 108 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: free and or kill fascist for as long as I can. 109 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: The type is pretty small on the mug, except that 110 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: dinoh War is in big red letters. There was also 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: an edible wristwatch made out of protein plastic. Look. I 112 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: know most people say it's safe, but I am just 113 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: too old to start eating plastic on purpose, plant based 114 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: or not. A tiny SD card full of virtual training 115 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: environments in the latest military games, as well as full 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: scientific documentation on more or less everything on display at 117 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: the con, and this year an honest to God paperback 118 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: book called Heliotropum and the Egg that's going to come 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: out early next year from Helm, that best selling anonymous, 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: mononymous collective. 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After a nice young 160 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: person with a retro slicked back haircut gave me my 161 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: dino backpack, they gestured me towards the mobility aids available, 162 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: but instead went and got myself a Jurassic Park style 163 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: cane from a bin, complete with fau amber and faux mosquito, 164 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: and started off towards the biggest monsters. I know we're 165 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: not supposed to call them monsters, but dear listener, I 166 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: have been a trans woman for a long time now, 167 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: and I think like recognizes like dinos and trans people. 168 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: We've got a lot in common. There's a whole fifty 169 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: percent of the world population trying to de extinct us both, 170 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: but we've got too many teeth and claws and allies 171 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: and uh writers, depending on what you're into for that 172 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: fifty percent to succeed. It's no secret that the various 173 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: dino units compete with each other for a claim and 174 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: recruits alike. Terodactyl jockeys think that they're the best because 175 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: they are the hardest crew to get in with, and 176 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: they sharpshoot moving objects, well people, while themselves flying through 177 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: the air. The Ancliosaurus brigades are certain that they're the 178 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: best because they've got a real proletarian vibe and interface 179 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: smoothly with infantry. It's true that the Ankliosaurus brigades have 180 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: liberated more towns from fascist than any other because they're 181 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: the ones who roll in like tanks to capture. The 182 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: rex riders have their whole cowboy vibe whether they're mounted 183 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: or not, with ten galled hats over their polymer helmets. 184 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: The mother Hens don't ride dinosaurs at all. Of course, 185 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: they heard velociraptors the size of and attitude of overly 186 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: aggressive roosters, and the mother hens have got style. John 187 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: Waters would have loved the mother Hens, every one of them, 188 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: copying the quote armed drag fashion of the first six 189 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: folks who formed the first velociraptor unit. Then there are 190 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: the Amazons and their ceratopsian mounts, who are some of 191 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: the finest and most feared units in the war. I 192 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: went past recruitment booth after recruitment booth and talked politely 193 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 2: to the press liaisons of each of those units. You 194 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: can hear those conversations themselves in the extended episodes, which 195 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: are of course available to paid subscribers internationalists, soldiers and veterans, 196 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: and anyone in the civilian volunteer Corps or your territory's 197 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: equivalent thereof. But more than anything else, I was there 198 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: to talk to the newest unit, one with a terrifying 199 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: claim to fame. I was there to talk to the Dreadnoughts. 200 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Their booth was easy to find, plain black banners hung 201 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: vertically like medieval flags. Each of the fighters please call 202 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: them fighters, not soldiers, wore heavy medieval inspired armor with 203 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: plain black surcoats over them. Every soldier of every unit 204 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: proudly bears arms, of course, but the Dreadnought fighters they 205 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: are dripping with weapons, pistols and grenades and rifles and 206 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,239 Speaker 2: the occasional saber or labris. Behind their booth was a Dreadnaughtus, 207 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: one of the largest dinosaurs in history and one of 208 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: the largest dinosaurs in Helsinki. Though they ride any sauropod, 209 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: they use the Dreadnaughtis as their icon because its name 210 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: means fears nothing. In the banner over their booth. It reads, 211 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 2: joined the Dreadnoughts. We have the highest mortality rate of 212 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: any unit in the Internationalist Army. Their spokesperson, a very 213 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: short man with a bright pink afro and brighter pink 214 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: full plate armor, wore a large pin with their slogan, 215 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: live fast, kill racists, die young. That's right. Their claim 216 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: to fame is that they die a lot. The average 217 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: Dreadnought dies on their second engagement. Of the original thousand 218 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: fighters when the unit was formed in February of this 219 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: very year, only one hundred and twelve are still alive 220 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: in fighting. Their unit, though now boasts more than ten 221 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: thousand fighters. I swear to you World War three point 222 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: five is a war unlike any other in history. I 223 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: talked with their spokesperson, who introduced himself as Lord Glimmerdark, 224 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: for quite some time. The crux of my questioning was 225 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: quite simply, why why advertise based on a high mortality rate? 226 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: Half of you listeners are probably wondering the same thing. Well, 227 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 2: the other half of you, well, you probably know the 228 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: answer in your hearts. Lord Glimmerdark, Glimm to his friends, 229 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: answered honestly and at length, there's a whole lot of 230 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: simple answers and also a long answer. The simple answers 231 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: are things like, well, some people feel that the closer 232 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: you push towards death, the more you can feel alive, 233 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: or that some people just have a death wish, or 234 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: that every fighter in the Dinah War lived through a 235 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: war where a billion people died, and death is so 236 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: inevitable and it's better for your mental health to embrace that. 237 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I have a mug for my swag bag 238 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: that basically makes that argument. I've built my career on 239 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: the idea of radical optimism strategic optimism. I can't encourage 240 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: any of you to join the Dreadnaughts. But oddly, talking 241 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: to Lord Glimmerdark, I realized these two positions are not 242 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: a fundamentally at odds as you might think. The Dreadnoughts 243 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: are not pushing despair. My position and their position are 244 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: what the theory heads would call in a dialectic with 245 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: each other. Radical optimism and fanatic nihilism, as the Dreadnought 246 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: philosophy is called, can work hand in hand to build 247 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: a better world. Glimmer Dark argues, fanatihilism is, of course 248 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: the long answer to my question, Lord Glimmerdark told me 249 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: about a text I hadn't read in a good thirty years, 250 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: a text called We Are All Very Anxious. That piece 251 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: argues that every era of capitalism has had a dominant 252 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: affect that is utilized by capitalism to control its opposition. 253 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: Before the first couple of world wars, that affect was misery, 254 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: just keep everyone too miserable to rise up. After the wars, 255 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: until around the turn of the century, it was boredom. 256 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: The first century when that piece was written, it was anxiety. 257 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: Everyone was too anxious to do something. Then after World 258 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: War III, it was as thenotonihilism proposes morbid fascination. This 259 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: is now the dominant affect of our times. They call 260 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: it morbidity, though obviously that's a new way of using 261 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: that word. Everyone was too obsessed with death to rise up, 262 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: is the argument there. The problem for capitalism, glim argues, 263 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: is that each affect of each era can be utilized 264 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: as a form of resistance as well. The miserable created 265 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: the French Revolution, the board created the countercultures of the sixties, 266 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: the anxious started the fight for the future of the 267 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: twenty thirties, and the morbid Lord Glimmer Dark said, are 268 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: not afraid to kill Nazis because they're not at all 269 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: afraid to die. They merely wish for their deaths. They 270 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: have some sense of purpose. Lord Glimmerdark doesn't think that 271 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: everyone should become Dreadnoughts. Not everyone is going to want 272 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: to dress like a medieval knight, armed with rifle and grenade, 273 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: and ride a titanosaur into battle. They ride the titanosaurs 274 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: like the big dinosaurs, is not specific dinosaurs a type 275 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: of dinosaur. They ride them because they pack as many 276 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: as five people onto each mount. No Dreadnought dies alone, 277 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: is another one of their slogans. Not everyone is going 278 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: to want to join the army of the soon to die. 279 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 2: Most people want to live. I know I want to live. 280 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: I do like armor and swords, though I'm hoping a 281 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: more hopeful batch of medievalists pops up soon. In the 282 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Strange Larp we call this war. When I pushed back 283 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: against his points, Glimmer Dark's deep brown eyes gleamed. Indeed, 284 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: you could say they glimmered if I'm being honest. I 285 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: told him my work has always been to work to 286 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: accept death, but to use it to inspire a strong 287 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: desire to live, to fight back against death and killing 288 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: exactly exactly, he would scream excitedly from time to time, 289 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: even though I was trying desperately to disagree with the man. 290 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: It might all be very dialectic, but I've been at 291 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: this for a very long time, and I don't really, 292 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: at the end of it all, know what that means. 293 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: The Dreadnought seemed to have it figured out, though, or 294 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: they've got something figured out. 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There's another war, 339 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: the drone war, the secret War. It's still going on. 340 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: There's an arms race still happening. The other side builds 341 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: new EMP shielding and gets some murder drone in past 342 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: a vish new shield So engineers on our side rush 343 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: to upgrade their EMPs, and then our side builds new 344 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: shielding and gets murder drones past their shields, and so 345 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: on and so on, forever without the drone fighters, the 346 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: people fighting against the drones, we'd be back into the 347 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: horrors of World War three instead of I suppose living 348 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: in the horrors of World War three point five. Still, 349 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: I had a nice visit with the engineers of the 350 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: California Cooperative, many of whom traveled all the way from 351 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: Silicon Valley to show off some of the products they've 352 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: been developing for the rank and file soldiers of the 353 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: Dino War this year. The latest trend is single use 354 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: wearables most likely to save the most lives. There's the 355 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: Crab with two bees. It's a belt mounted Vishnu shield 356 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: that automatically activates when it detects any autonomous drone within 357 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: its range, which is currently ten meters, but they're expecting 358 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: to get it out to fifty meters by next summer. 359 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: That difference matters, of course, With a ten meter shield 360 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: you need just about one for every soldier. With a 361 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: fifty meters shield, you could get away with one per squad. 362 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: I asked the spokesperson for California Cooperative why the product 363 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: was called the Crab, and, with usual gen bean's attitude, 364 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: they told me, yeah, well, I guess it sounds cool. 365 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: Which look, I know, I'm old and groucy, but that's 366 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: sort of what you'd expect to hear from someone from 367 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: a generation that decided to call itself Jen Beans. That's 368 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: the most get off my lawn thing I'll probably say 369 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: all podcast I managed to always do at least one 370 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: get off my lawn, you dang kids, every podcast I 371 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: try not to. I want you to know that, I 372 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: want you to know how hard I try. Besides the Crab, 373 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: the new hot item is the Goosey. It's spelled like 374 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: goose but with two of every letter. I did not 375 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: bother to ask why it's called the Goosey, nor why 376 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: it's spelled that way. It's a wristwatch basically, and it 377 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: even functions as one until it detects incoming drones, at 378 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: which point it activates a two meters shield. Like the Crab, 379 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: it's single use. Also like the Crab, though, the Goosey 380 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: saves data about the attack, and if you return to 381 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: the California Cooperative, they'll extract the data to build better 382 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: systems in the future and return it to you recharged 383 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: and ready to save your life again. If you don't 384 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: bother to return it. It's still an analog wristwatch after 385 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: it's used up its single charge. They gave me one, 386 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: which is sweet because even though I'll never actually be 387 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: on the front lines at my age, the thing is 388 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: is that kind of everywhere is the front lines now, 389 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: and it's even more useful than my new edible wristwatch 390 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: that I will never eat. Maybe I'll give the edible 391 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: one to someone from jen Beans. I'm skeptical about these 392 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: single use personal shields. Drone fighters have struggled with the 393 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: same problem for ten years now. Everyone thinks that drones 394 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: are over nothing to be worried about. Why log around 395 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: a wristwatch or a belt mounted object you assume you'll 396 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: never use. Soldiers are famous for ditching everything they see 397 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: as dead weight. But still the drone fight goes on, 398 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: and the unsung heroes keep building new machines. It was 399 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: mid afternoon by that point, and the day was coming 400 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: to a close for me. I was grateful for my 401 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: John Hammond Kane, but one I'd prefer to pretend I 402 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: don't need, but I quite obviously do. I'd say the 403 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: sun was setting if I'd been anywhere further south than 404 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: fucking Helsinki. The sun had gone down hours prior. 405 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 3: At that point. 406 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: I went outside, passed the protests and got into a 407 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: pedicab to take me back to my hotel where I 408 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: wrote this, and now I'm recording it because the podcast 409 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: minds never stop. And now I'll pass it over to 410 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: my comrade, coworker and friend, Jamie loft as Per for 411 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: what she saw and did today. And before you write 412 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: cool Zone Media complaining about the airhorn noises, please take 413 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: note that Jamie formally changed her name to include the 414 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: airhorn noises or the party popper emoji when written ten 415 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: years ago now, and you can stop writing us to 416 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: complain about it, take it up with her, or just 417 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: you know, accept it. 418 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what the rest of you were 419 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: doing inside the convention, because there was clearly plenty going 420 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: on just outside the gates. And I don't mean the 421 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: street vendors, though their food was better than the food 422 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 3: court anyway, I mean the protest organized Dino d Denizen's 423 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 3: interested in not oppressing dinosaurs. And if you think they 424 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: didn't know, there's a little wink in a nudge going 425 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: on every time someone hears the name Dino D, well, 426 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 3: then you don't. 427 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: Know modern activists too well. 428 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: And look, the name is a little problematic considering the 429 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: allegations of impropriety currently levied against Dino D's discredited director, 430 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: David dorson Jen Bean's love of alliteration is just too 431 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: cashy and I'm not sorry, But the thing is, David 432 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: wasn't there. About forty protesters have been camped outside dinocon 433 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: for the past two weeks, passing out leaflets and holding signs, 434 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: and continuing the anemic chanting that has plagued certain social 435 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: movements since basically forever. I wanted to like the signs, 436 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: but they weren't much better than the chanting. 437 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 2: Besides the ubiquitous. 438 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: Friends don't take friends to die in war. There was 439 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Dino War equals Dino's No More and Free the Dinos. 440 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: And then there was one gal, maybe forty years old, 441 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: with one of those beanies with a tail that went 442 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: down to her knees, you know the kind I'm talking about, 443 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: whose sign read I think dinosaurs are cute, and I 444 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: don't like when they get shot, and so they shouldn't 445 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: be in war. I spent most of the morning talking 446 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: with the activists, most of whom expressed a disinterest in 447 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: being conflated with Dino D. Despite admitting Dino D called 448 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: for the protest, kind of like how vegans didn't want 449 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: to be associated with peta back when. 450 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: I was young and the world was new. The protesters 451 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: outside Dinocon have a pretty diverse range of opinions, from 452 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: the dinosaurs are our friend's angle to the new fangled 453 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 3: nihilist philosophical critique that using dinosaurs as the modern mascot 454 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: of war undermines our strategic efficacy. I couldn't tell you 455 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: if that's true or not. A woman who only gave 456 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: her name as Bethbert told me that, well, let's see, 457 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: she wouldn't let me record her voice, but she did 458 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: let me write a down word for word, so she 459 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: told me quote. The moral crux of the internationalist cause 460 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: is that you cannot make a better or even more 461 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: stable world by resorting to evil. 462 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: In the process. 463 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: You cannot resort to the evils of nationalism. You cannot 464 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: resort to the evils resurrecting dead tissue or synthesizing human 465 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 3: and animal. Then why should we bring animals back from 466 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: extinction just to use them on the field of battle. 467 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: These are living creatures with complex emotions and complex social structures, 468 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: and we use them as living tanks. We use them 469 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: as bullet sponges. It's not right unquote. There were only 470 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: two conflicts I saw the whole morning. First, a man, 471 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: I kid you not, he was wearing a fedora, came 472 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: over holding a re extinctionist sign that read let the 473 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: dead Stay dead. Dinos are fuel not friends with that 474 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: little re extinctionist logo at the bottom, the one with 475 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: the upside down stegosaurus. He tried to join the crowd 476 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: and was roundly kicked out. Then less than twenty minutes later, 477 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: a unit of new Amazons came out of the convention, 478 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: easily distinguishable by having only one breast each, some with 479 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: breast removed, some with breast added. Depending. There's a video 480 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: you can watch if you'd like. But the whole thing 481 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: just makes me sad. Two women at the front started 482 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: shouting the names of their centrosauruses that had fallen in battle, 483 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: whom they mourned, and whose contributions to the internationalist cause 484 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: they thought were being erased by the protesters. And while 485 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: I'm on the subject of the food court, was I 486 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: on the subject of the food court. If I were 487 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: on the subject of the food court, I would tell 488 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: you that the Helsinki Street fair is rockin' and by 489 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 3: that I mean the Somali finish food. For anyone who 490 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: didn't know, and how could you not. Somali immigrants make 491 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: up the largest African group in Finland and have been 492 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: embedded into finish culture for generations, and that means you 493 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: can get Sam Bossa's pretty much everywhere, and that includes 494 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: right outside of Dinocon. It could Happen here as a 495 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool 496 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 3: Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia dot com, or check 497 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 498 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: you listen to podcasts. You can find sources for It 499 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: could Happen Here, updated monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. 500 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.