1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: I helped we enjoy this segment every week as much 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: as we do. And I know I've got some friends 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: and we get textures who really like Lan heat Chen, 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's good a conversation. You're gonna hear 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: about politics anywhere, always with him. You know, I don't 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: mind hearing my side trumpeted a lot. It feels good, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: but it's also great to get straight down the middle. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Here's what's happening, here's how to understand it. That's why 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: we enjoy Lan hea Chen so much. Lan He's David 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: and Diane Stephy, fellow in American Public Policy Studies at 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: the Uber Institution and the director of Domestic Policy Studies 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: at the university. Neither of one of us could hope 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: to get into Stanford University, lan He, how are you, sir? 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Happy Friday. Maybe some sort of sympathy admission, 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, listen, he's not very bright, but he tries hard. 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Something like that. At the end of this at the 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: end of this conversation, Joe said, over his dead body. 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: But at the end of this conversation, I'm just gonna 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: ask for your quick take. Since Caitlyn Jenders announced she's 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: running for governor of California. But at the end of 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: the conversation we'll get to that. Hey, Lonnie, did you 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: happen to see the opinion piece in the Wall Street 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Journal today by Kimberly Straussel about um voter turnout and 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: all that. I haven't seen it yet. No, I barely 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: got through my coffee, you guys. So the Secretary of 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: State in New Hampshire, Gardner, who maybe you know, or 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: you don't if you're super into politics. He's a highly 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: respected Democrat. He's the longest serving secretary of state in 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: the entire country. And he testified in front of Congress 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: yesterday as they were having a big talk about voting regulations. 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, we all know, right, the whole Georgia thing, 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: and Georgia changed some of those and people went crazy 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: and boycott and moving Major League Baseball and then the 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: voter suppression, voter suppression and whatnot. And this highly respected, 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: longtime Democrat was there testifying on the Republicans invited him 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: to say, these these everything's bad records. From what you're saying, 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: there's very little voter suppression going on. What the hell 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: are you talking about? And New Hampshire has some of 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: the most restrictive voting regulations in the state, partially because 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: it's in their state constitution. You have to show up 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: that day, one of the reasons you have they don't 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: have early voting. One other reasons is because their constitution 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: mandates that they release the results that night. You have 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: to show an I D though, because they want to 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: be very sure that and they regularly have among the 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: highest turnout, if not the highest turnout in the entire 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: country and the state of California, and that's one of 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: the reasons I bring it up. Nancy Pelosi was blasting 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and other states who require I D s 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and want to and and 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: and and are pushing for HR one, the federal government 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: takeover of federal elections, and she wants to impose the 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: California model. And he pointed out Mr Gardner from New 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Hampshire that California, in terms of turnout in the last 55 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: four presidential elections, ranked forty nine. So a lot of 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the we're gonna make it easier to vote um rules 57 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: that are put out there, you get lower vertic voter 58 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: turnout in some of the more restrictive states have higher 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: I just thought that was fascinating. What are your thoughts 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: and all of that, and what do you what do 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: you think the sweet spot would be? What should we do? Yeah? 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean this is a really tricky set of issues 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, you know, I think there 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: are certain common sense things about voting that you could 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: get a majority, a strong majority of Democrats and Republicans 66 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: and independence to nod their heads and say yeah, we 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: should do that. For example, you know, the idea of saying, look, 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: we want to have an election process that people feel secure, right, 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: they feel like if they vote, that vote is actually 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: the person who cast it as the person who claimed 71 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: to have cast it, that that vote was securely handled 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: and counted in the right way and accounted for in 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the right way. You know, I think most people would say, yeah, okay, 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And then you say, look, 75 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: can we create a mechanism where, in the context of 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: it being a secure vote people have an opportunity to 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: vote in different kinds of ways. Some people want to 78 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: vote by mail, absolutely they should. Some people want to 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: vote in person early yes, And if you want to 80 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: vote on election day, yes, you know, so this idea 81 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: that somehow we have to go and polarize this one 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: way or the other, you know, as Nanci Pelosi said, no, look, 83 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: we gotta have one way. We do it across the country, 84 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: regardless of the fact that, you know, there's reasons why 85 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: different states have different election laws and rules. A state 86 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: that's predominantly rural, for example, has to have a different 87 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: set of rules potentially in a different set of requirements 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: then a state that's more urban, right, and so there 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: are reasons why, in their infinite wisdom, the founders said, look, fundamentally, 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: when you look at something like an election, we want 91 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: that election to be primarily driven by the conditions of 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: what's happening locally in states, in localities, etcetera. So this 93 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a polarized issue. Unfortunately, it's become 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: a really polarized issue, and I think that's frustrating to 95 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: those of us who look at this and say, can 96 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: we have a little common sense here? You know, for example, 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: I'll just give one more example and I'll shut up. 98 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: In the Georgia law, there was a lot of um 99 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: noise made by particularly I mean, Biden amplified this. Unfortunately, 100 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: he said, oh, if you're waiting in line, you can't 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: get water. They want people to to to go without water, 102 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: waiting in line to vote when it's ninety degrees. Well, 103 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: first of all, how often is it ninety degrees in November? 104 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: But putting that aside for a moment, Georgia law actually 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: put putting aside from what the Georgia law actually said 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: is if you are not a poll worker, you cannot 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: give people who are waiting in line water. And that's 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: a very reasonable thing if you think about it. Why 109 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: do we why do we prohibit electioneering? Right? Why do 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: we prohibit people from going up while you're waiting in line, 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: harassing you about voting for one person or another. Those 112 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: kinds of laws prohibiting electioneering are very common. We have 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: them in California, they have them in New York. What 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: the Georgia law actually said is if you are not 115 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a poll worker, you cannot set up a water stand. 116 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: But in fact, if you are a poll worker, you 117 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: can put out a water dispenser and people can get 118 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: water on their own. So how did that become? You know, 119 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're going to dehydrate people while 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: they're voting. And that's Just an example of how polarized 121 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: we've become is we can't even have a reasonable dialogue 122 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: with the law actually says, I know that's what he 123 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: kept me from voting many times. As as a fad 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: to get too thirsty. It happens bones. It's like when 125 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: you climb mount has a reverst and the bones of 126 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the dead climbers and it I like that at the polls. 127 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: So a lot of this is being driven on both 128 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: sides by I think an unproven theory. Uh, Democrats want 129 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: higher turnout, Republicans would would like to have a lower turnout, 130 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: with the belief that the higher to turn out, the 131 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: more Democrats vote that that is there any fact behind that? No, 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think we have seen high turnout 133 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: elections that have benefited Republicans. We've seen high turnout elect 134 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: since that have benefited Democrats and vice versa. So I 135 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: don't think it's correct to say that high turnout always 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: hurts Republicans. Uh, that's not borne out empirically. Uh. If 137 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: you've got a good, strong Republican candidate that's able to 138 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: speak not just to Republican voters, but to voters across 139 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: the the ideological spectrum, you will see high turnout supporting 140 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Republican candidate. So I don't think it's the king. Well, 141 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: then this is a heck of a topic that's so 142 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: benefic So, so the the theory driving the whole thing 143 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: that higher turnout leads to more Democrats not true. The 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: fact that you'll get better turn out by loosening up 145 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: the the the ways to vote is not true according 146 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: to all Gardners stats yesterday. So the whole thing is 147 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: a stupid conversation. It would see, right, Lana he Chant 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: is with the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Lane, is there 149 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: any chance that the district of Columbia will become a state? 150 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: To why or why not? Um? The only way it 151 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: becomes a state is if Democrats decide in the Senate 152 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: they're going to get rid of the filibuster and and 153 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: and they're going to completely change the way that essentially 154 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: the Senate operates, and and they're gonna jam it through 155 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: on a party line vote. Now, even then the question is, 156 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: could a would a moderate like Senator Joe Mansion of 157 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: West Virginia, would he go for something like that? Would 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: he be supportive of something like that? Or does this 159 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: end up becoming some part of package package. You know, 160 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: some have suggested, for example, well, yeah, d C would 161 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: become a state, but at the same time, you've got 162 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: some Republicans that want Puerto Rico to become a state, 163 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: so you figure out a way to package DC statehood 164 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: with Puerto Rico statehood. I don't know how this is 165 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: all going to turn out, but in terms of it 166 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: just being a straight up DC statehood bill passing the Senate, 167 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: I still think it's less likely than more likely. Again, 168 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: unless the Democrats really want to burn you burn it 169 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: all down and say we're gonna get rid of the 170 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: filibuster entirely. George Will thinks that the twenty three Amendments 171 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: UH forbids it, and that there's no chance they're going 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: to overturn the twenty three Amendment or repeal it, and 173 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: so they're trying to pass and as he describes it, 174 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: almost inscrutable process to legislatively transferred to the new state 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: the electoral votes constitutionally given to the district, etcetera, etcetera. 176 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: It's not even doable constitutionally. Yeah, I mean, and I 177 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: think certainly you would see the legislation um litigated on 178 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: on those grounds, you would see people saying, look, essentially, 179 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: this is not a uh, this is not a constitutional thing. 180 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: To do it again it it sort of goes against 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: what the intent of of that part of the Constitution was. 182 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: And you know, the politics are very fraught, right, I mean, 183 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: obviously we all know the district of Columbia is extremely 184 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: tilted politically, and that automatically brings it from the vein 185 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: of a conversation about what is best for you know, 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: the United States into what is best for my party 187 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: or for the other party, and that, unfortunately, if never 188 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: a fun conversation. Can the Biden White House continue to 189 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: claim that we've got a real problem with racist white 190 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: cops shooting people of color despite the facts. Can they 191 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: continue to do that and win politically or is it 192 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: going to hurt them? Well? Look, I mean I think 193 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: there's a few things here. First of all, the that 194 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: what the Biden team wanted to do essentially was to 195 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: take this entire situation and and and in some ways 196 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: employ it to talk about the need for certain kinds 197 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: of police reforms. By the way, there's actually a bipartisan 198 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: consensus if you look last summer, Senator Tim Scott of 199 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: South Carolina actually put forward legislation that would have helped 200 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: to reform some of these police practices, would have studied 201 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: and tried to figure out what are best practices, what 202 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: are things that we can distribute as information, not as requirements, 203 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: but as guidance, so that police departments around the country 204 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: could do a better job essentially of enforcing the laws 205 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: and making sure that they were doing it in a 206 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: way that was fair to everybody. So there's actually a 207 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: bipartisan consensus around the need to do some of these reforms. 208 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: The problem, again, guys, just like we talked about with 209 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: the previous subject, is when you try to employ it 210 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: for political gain. That's when it runs into problems. That's 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: when the two sides can't get together. If we would 212 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: only get together and say, okay, what does the Tim 213 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Scott Bill say as a starting point, what do the 214 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: Democrats want? Can we get together and find common ground 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: and agree that there are certain things that you know, 216 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: certain practices, certain things that are happening we don't want 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: to be happening, but there are other things that are 218 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: strictly for political show. Can we separate the political show 219 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: from the actual substance. If we could manage to do that, 220 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: we could actually come up with legislation in some of 221 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: these areas. So that's the frustrating part about this is 222 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: that it's not like like Republicans are saying no, no no, no, no, no, no, 223 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: no reform at all in this space, and Democrats are 224 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: arguing no, no no, no, we're the only ones. I've got 225 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: the answer to this. In fact, if you look at it, 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: there are actually some ways we can get together. They 227 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: can be some common ground. And that's where I wish 228 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: we would start instead of trying to use this to 229 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: to one's own political advantage, boring who's the good guy, 230 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: who's the bad guy? See the world if Tim, if 231 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Tim Scott runs for president and maybe against Kamala Harris, 232 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: who's the one who stopped him from being able to 233 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: get this going? That that topic could be huge. She 234 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't even meet speaking of people running for office. And 235 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: if this is if this is a non starter, I mean, 236 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: if there's no chance, then we don't need to discuss 237 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: it for more than you here we are, right, Caitlyn 238 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: Jenner officially announcing today she's running for governor of California. 239 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: If you think she's got no shot and is not 240 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: a player, then we won't discuss it. What are your thoughts. Look, 241 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's a non starter completely. And 242 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: here's why. We all know how difficult it is to 243 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: break through in California. It is, it is a big state, 244 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: It has a lot of you know, massively expensive media markets. 245 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: People are either tension is divided. And if we think 246 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: back to the last week call, the only person who 247 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: could have broken through was the one who ended up 248 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: running and winning, and that was Arnold Schwarzenegger. And not 249 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: to put Caitlyn Jenner Arnold Schwarzenegger in the same category. 250 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there there there are differences in their candidacy, 251 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: but the only there are a number of differences between 252 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Arnold Schwartzenegger and Caitlyn Jenner. True, it is very hard 253 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: to break through. And if your theory of the cases 254 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: you need something completely you know different, and some would 255 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: argue outrageous, then that's what Caitlyn Jenner represents. So I 256 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: know enough to know that you never say never in politics, 257 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: and so look, I think I think this will this 258 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: will make the recall much more interesting even than it 259 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: would have been before. Let's put it that way. We're 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: not friends anymore because you had Jack on now. David 261 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: Stephy fellow, an American public policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, 262 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University lan he 263 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: thanks a million for lending us a bit of your time. 264 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Always appreciated. Have a great weekend. Thank you. I actually 265 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: don't think if I had to bet money, I don't 266 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: think Gavin Usan is going to get recalled. So it's 267 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: not gonna make any difference. No, there is no level 268 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: of incompetence high enough to get a Democrat recalled in 269 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: California anymore. The state is beyond saving. It is beyond hope. 270 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Abandoned ship, abandoned hope. All ye who enter here, art 271 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: strong and Jetty