1 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: He just barged right in with his buckmobile. Buck, great 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: to see you. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: How you doing. We got to come up with something else. 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: Guys, No, that was I'm not a Florida State fan. 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 4: I hope it went. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 5: I hope it's going miserably, just like that game last 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 5: Saturday where it went miserably. 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 4: For those lousy pieces of garbage. My wife went there. 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: By the way. 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 5: I love Johnny, but uh fuck, that's perfect because I 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 5: know when you were managing the Mets. That's how you 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 5: drove around Port Saint Lucy is in a convertible like 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 5: every other person your age, honking at everybody because they 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 5: think the light's green but it's really red. They need 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 5: their hair flowing. You know, that's exactly that's perfect for 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 5: you in Port See. 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 6: I'll tell you that for a guy that was there 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 6: when Saint Lucy first opened up. Let's put this way. 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 6: Not a lot's changed. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 7: It's real estate. You know, real estate prices have changed. Buck. 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: You used to be able to get a place for 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: like fifty grand, and those places are now five hundred. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, Cesspides, I think bought a big bunch of land 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 6: down there. I think he may still live down there 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 6: where his mom does. I don't know, but uh, it 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 6: was interesting. I knew when I was with the Yankees 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 6: we had three games we had to win. We had 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 6: to beat the Red Sox, we had to go beat 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 6: the Mets in Saint Lucie, and then later on we 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 6: had to beat Tampa Bay. The old man, mister Steiner 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 6: was adamant about that. So the guys knew they had 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 6: to make those road trips. Nobody complained about it. Just 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 6: get on the bus and you better bring your a game. 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, hold on, buck before you before you change the subject. 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 5: Were you with the Yankees when they're in Fort Lauderdale 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 5: or were you with the Yankees when they moved to 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 5: Tampa for Lauderdale. 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 6: Last thing we do the last thing we did there 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 6: stick and I helped design the Tampa Complex. 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 5: Okay, as I was going to say, you can't make 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: fun of Poort Saint Lucy if you were in that 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 5: ship hole that was Fort Lauderdale Spring Training Stadium, because 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: that place was god awful. 44 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 6: Well, that just all on the Ivy holder. We loved 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 6: it for a lot of reasons that weren't on the 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 6: field related. 47 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 5: AJ, But you like what you like watching the Jets 48 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 5: when They're like an airport and left field and the 49 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 5: Jets would take off. You're trying to warm up as 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 5: a visiting team and you got a seven forty seven 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: taken off in your ear. 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 6: Well, Aj, if you're in a proper level of concentration, 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 6: that shouldn't manner to you as a major league player. 54 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: But evidently you've had issues there. That's fine. 55 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: It's my life, Buck, all. 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: Right, we talked ball. 57 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk ball for a sec here, Buck, we'll 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: get tomorrow. 59 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 7: I want to I want to start with the Mets. 60 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: I just want to get your take on where they're 61 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: at this offseason, what you would do if you were them, 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: And I do want to press you on the report 63 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: that came out that we kind of mostly said was hogwash, 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: but talked about how Lindor and Soto are very different 65 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: and so maybe they're not best friends, and that Lindor 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: and McNeil got into it again, like do we care 67 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: about this or do we more care about this team 68 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: getting some pitching so that they can make it through 69 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: a full season. 70 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 6: Pitching the last part. The best teams win. You know 71 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 6: that's true in every club that you just may not 72 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 6: hear about it. There's you know, I used to tell 73 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: them when the season though, okay, we pick your friends 74 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 6: for you go pick your own friends. And you know, 75 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 6: Jeff and Francisco are different. You know, Jeff's a long 76 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 6: Beach state dirt bag, loves you know everything about the game, 77 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 6: you know, thanks to the worlds against him sometime with 78 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 6: line drives at people. And Lindor is a very stylish, 79 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 6: worldly guy. 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: And they're they're not, but it works. You know. 81 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 6: I called them together the first day I got there, 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 6: and I'd heard a lot of stuff and we didn't 83 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 6: have a problem. Jeff, I think led the whole globe 84 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 6: in hitting that year. Nobody on the globe hit for 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 6: higher batan average, and Jeff McNeil and I think if 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 6: you actually knew everything that went on behind the scenes 87 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 6: with the relationships and you're drawing, you're thrown together in 88 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 6: a locker room for eight months, seven months. I mean, heck, 89 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 6: I've been married forty three years and there's not a 90 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 6: day goes by. I don't have to just shut up. 91 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 6: But it's okay, it's okay, I don't. That's not the 92 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 6: reason why they had a tough year. Their pitching wasn't 93 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 6: very good, and Soto if he wants to. I mean, 94 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 6: he's a splendid offensive, unbelievable offensive performer. And I would 95 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 6: say to him, they see you about six thirty quarter seven, 96 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 6: and God bless you. I like the end game here. 97 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 6: You can over manage those guys. But if they get 98 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 6: better pitching, all these stories will go away. 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, you mean good players win games? Okay, buck, Well, 100 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: then I have the I have. Then I have another 101 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: brainbuster for you. Has there ever been a time when 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 4: you managed a really good team where there wasn't some 103 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: arguments in the clubhouse and don't remember any good, good 104 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: stories where it's like, wow, that was a big argument, 105 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 4: but it ended up being like it ended up being 106 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: the best thing for our team because we did X, 107 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: Y and Z to finish the season out. 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: Well. 109 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 6: You know, I kind of when I had the good 110 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 6: ship Lollipop, it never really ended well. I liked a 111 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 6: little bit of an edge with the players, I know. 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 6: I remember Laret's Jim Larris early on I got pinch 113 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 6: hit for and he slams his hell. You know, he's 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 6: trying to get your attention and Donnie. Donnie just said, hey, 115 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 6: can I take care of this? I go go right 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 6: ahead in the dugout, completely quiet, He goes, boys, I 117 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 6: just want you to know the king has left the 118 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 6: building because Jimmy had stormed up the runway and the 119 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 6: whole place cracked up and everything was great and we 120 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 6: went on our bu of business. He used to get 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 6: on Paul O'Neil all the time about getting kind of whiny, 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 6: like the whole world was against him with line drives 123 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 6: at people. But having guys like that, those aren't conferences. 124 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 6: It's just you know, if you take yourself too seriously 125 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 6: and you're getting you know, you think the whole world's 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 6: coming to an the end after one bad game or 127 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 6: at bat, you're not going to survive very long as 128 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 6: you guys well know better than anybody. 129 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: True. 130 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 5: True, And speaking of if you brought it up earlier too, 131 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: you said their pitching wasn't very good? You did, were 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: not there with David Stearns, correct, you were not in 133 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 5: New York, you guys. 134 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 6: I had a conversation where I said, thanks for the 135 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 6: good luck and hope things work out for you. 136 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 5: That was about it, okay, Because he seems to like 137 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 5: to to not go after the big starting pitcher, not 138 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 5: go after the big fish. 139 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: He always wants to try. 140 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 5: To maneuver and be Look, I don't I hate to 141 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 5: say this because I like David Stearns, but like he 142 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: wants to say, like, oh look I found this diamond 143 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: in the rough all the time. Why won't he just 144 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 5: go after and get the guy, the best guy that 145 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 5: fits his teams? It's oh, look, we can get this 146 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: guy for a little bit better deal and he's not 147 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 5: quite as good, even though he's really not as good. Right, 148 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 5: Why does David Serves do that and actually forget David Serns. 149 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 5: Why don't most gyms try to do that? Why don't 150 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 5: they just go out and get the. 151 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 7: Best players pitching? Though, we're talking about Buck for Stearns, 152 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 7: by the way, just to clarify so people don't say, oh, 153 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 7: they got to Toto. 154 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: We know that we're talking about starters Buck because last 155 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: year he did what he did the year before, and 156 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: he's fighting guys like mon Toss instead of going for 157 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: the big fish. 158 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's the ideal situation is you're kicking 159 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: out your own players. 160 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: But if you've got three so called. 161 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 6: Big time prospects, you're lucky if one of them hits 162 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 6: between the physicalness, being physically fit. 163 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: But you know, David's kind of had that. 164 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 6: If you look at his track record with Milwaukee, which 165 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 6: he didn't do a lot of player acquisition there other 166 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 6: than I think trade and Josh Hader. You know, there's 167 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 6: not really a big track record of how he looks 168 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 6: at things. But you know, you can always say no, 169 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: you can always find a doctor that's gonna poop Paul 170 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 6: his physical status. You know, putting your arm over your 171 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 6: head and jerk it down violently one hundred times every 172 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 6: fifth day is going to hurt your shoulder and your elbow. 173 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 6: It's gonna give at some point. So the problem aj 174 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 6: is that when you've acquired enough innings and track record 175 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 6: to be good and be and everybody's going, wow, what 176 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 6: a great free agent, well there's a lot of wear 177 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 6: and tear on that arm, and who's going to be 178 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 6: holding that that player when it pops. I mean, those 179 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 6: are the conversations that happened trying to project health. It's 180 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 6: such a hard task, and that's why it's so important 181 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 6: that you develop your own pictures. But you know, I 182 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 6: think I'm trying to figure what what trade? Do you 183 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 6: remember that David Stern's made other than the Josh Hater trade. 184 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 6: I'm trying to think. I'm sure there were some. 185 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: The Yelich, the Yelich he signed, he signed Lo Caine, 186 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 4: Christian Yelich after I mean, those two guys had got 187 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: in the same year, after Domingo Santana had like a 188 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 4: thirty homer year in Milwaukee. I mean, he's made a 189 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 4: couple moves. But I hear what you're saying. I hear 190 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: what you're saying. But don't you want don't you want 191 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 4: to go all in and say, you know, at the 192 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: end of the day, we got bit by the injury bug. 193 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: Isn't that better then? Isn't that better than I hope. 194 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm not saying he's scared, don't get 195 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 6: me wrong. But if you're scared, you need you need 196 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 6: to get a dog, because you got to take chances 197 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 6: along the way. That's why it's so intriguing about the 198 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 6: the Japanese and Korean pitchers, and and you know they're 199 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 6: not all obviously the same. You got to really look 200 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 6: and do your homework on it. But let me ask 201 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 6: you guys a question. If you could only sign one 202 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 6: player and you were the mess, would you signed Pee 203 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 6: Alonzo or Edwin Diaz or Kyle Swerber. No, no, your 204 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 6: own two guys. You can only sign one of the two. 205 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 6: The owner said, Hey, David, pick one of which one 206 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 6: you want. 207 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: I'm taking Diaz right now because he affects games more 208 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 5: not no. 209 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: I listen. 210 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 5: I love Pete Alonzo, but I'm taking Diaz because he 211 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 5: affects games. As you know, Buck a great closer. We 212 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 5: had Zach Britton on the other day and he was 213 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: complaining about that game. You didn't bring him in you 214 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 5: know how those games effected. Sorry too soon, but also 215 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 5: what I want to know. 216 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: He knows the whole story, there's more to it. 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: But I would rather have the great closer that can 218 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 5: close out because listen, you know there's no psychological advantage 219 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: more to the team looking down there and going, ah shit, 220 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 5: we gotta face Diaz in the ninth. We better get 221 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 5: them before the ninth, right, So but that's it to me, 222 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 5: it's easy. It's an easy one. I'll take Diaz. 223 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 6: I can negate Pete. You know, you can always negate Pete, 224 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 6: and I love Pete to death. I talked to him 225 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 6: a couple of times this season, but you know, try 226 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 6: and replace Edwin. You know you're you're going to end 227 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 6: up with someone that's unproven or someone that's done it 228 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 6: in the past, but you don't know which guy you're getting, Okay, 229 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 6: And you know, I I love taking a you know, 230 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 6: we did that with Britain. We did it with Jim Johnson. 231 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 6: I love taking a starter from a team that can't 232 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 6: afford these guys and make your own. You can make 233 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 6: your own. Just got to pick the right guy and 234 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 6: listen to people on the field. 235 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: But he. 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 6: Life without a closer when the guys are looking down going, 237 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 6: I don't know how much is enough. It's not fun. 238 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 6: It's not fun, especially in New York. And you know 239 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 6: you like to have both those guys on your team. 240 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 6: Edwin's gonna be really really hard to replace. 241 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 4: But you talk like you were a manager that had 242 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: to figure out how to replace Edwin Diaz, Like you 243 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: don't have any first hand knowledge of that. Do you 244 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: first an experience? 245 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 6: Oh, we had to replace Jim Johnson, had to figure 246 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 6: out Zach Britton. Don't get me started. We had I 247 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 6: would go back through my closer list and it seemed 248 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 6: like we always went to Plan B. We always ended 249 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 6: up with Plan b But it was funner in places 250 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 6: like Baltimore where you had to be a little innovative 251 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 6: and go get a starter. And you know, believe me, 252 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 6: Zach Fautus tooth and nail about going to the bullpen. 253 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 6: I think he kind of likes it now. He had 254 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 6: those little hands with that that he could get over 255 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 6: the top of that sinker. He's the only guy that 256 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 6: I've ever seen Big Poppy just completely two guys. They 257 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 6: had two left ers, Britain and Brian Mattis God wrest 258 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 6: his soul or teeth. Check out his numbers against those 259 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 6: two guys. Sometime he didn't even want to see him 260 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 6: come in the game. 261 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: Buck, I was talking about when you lost when you 262 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: lost Edwin Diaz in the WBC. Oh my god, your 263 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: first hand knowledge of that awful. 264 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot to that story about how 265 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 6: that all happened. I mean, we basically had him talked 266 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 6: out of it of going I'll never forget. I get 267 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 6: a call from Brandon Nemo about nine o'clock, and you know, 268 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 6: in spring train, I get up at four thirty five 269 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 6: o'clock and I love spring training. I love everything about it. 270 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 6: So I'm going night night, I'm ten toes up and 271 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 6: phone rings. I pick it up. It's them and I 272 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 6: go us up and them, and he goes, are you 273 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 6: watching this? I go, no, I'm going to bed, young man. 274 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 6: He goes, you might want to turn it on. And 275 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 6: our season was basically over. It was over when he 276 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 6: got hurt in the WBC. So I don't know whether 277 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 6: they should have it at some other time. You get hurt, 278 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 6: you know, stepping off a curb, but that one's stung 279 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 6: the next I wish. 280 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: I wish everybody could walk. 281 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 6: In the locker room the next day, and everyone in 282 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 6: that locker room knows that Edwin's not going to be there. 283 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 6: And basically we were in trouble in spring training, not 284 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 6: funait Buck. 285 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: Did you try and stop him from going because you 286 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 5: said there's more to the story, So you keep giving 287 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 5: us like more to the story, But then you're like, 288 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 5: I can't tell you, so tell us something, Buck, I 289 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 5: need something out of you. 290 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 6: Well, we had talked to him about the merits of 291 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 6: going or not going, and you know the expression be 292 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: careful about telling truths that hurt innocent people. That's where 293 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 6: I stand on it. 294 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair, that's fair enough. So then what do 295 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 5: you think about you brought up Nemo. Neimo took shots 296 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 5: at the team too when he got traded. Is he 297 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 5: is he justified in saying what he said, because. 298 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: What do you constitute a shot? 299 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 5: Well, he said he used the run prevention, the run 300 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 5: prevention thing, you know, and it was like a It 301 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 5: was kind of like a backhanded compliment, right, And listen, 302 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 5: if I'm bringing Nim, I'm like, I'm going from New 303 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 5: York to Texas. I'm gonna save about twenty million in 304 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 5: taxes over the next few years of my contract. 305 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: I talk to him the other day. I remind him 306 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: of that. 307 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 6: I said, you know that housing is going to be 308 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 6: a lot different, price of gas is going to be 309 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 6: a whole lot different. 310 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: I can tell you that. 311 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 6: But you know, it's a good move for both of them. 312 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 6: I think they both need a little change of scenery. 313 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 6: I'm glad Nim approved it, and I think Simeon. I 314 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 6: think it's a move that will work out for both teams. 315 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 6: I hope so. But Nim's he's at an interesting stage 316 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 6: in his career. It's pretty much a wash with the money. 317 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 6: So you don't see those trades very often. But it 318 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 6: fit in need for both teams? 319 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: Who wins that craft? Who's on the surface right now? 320 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: For you? You're managing both teams, your Skip Schumacher, your 321 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: Carlos Mendoza. Who is more excited about that trade in 322 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: the moment? And I know you're a company guy, so 323 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: you're like, I'm the Mets manager. I'm gonna say why. 324 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: I love how Marcus Simmy And he's a leader, He's 325 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: a quiet leader. You know all this stuff. Who wins 326 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: this trade? 327 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: Does it make you, guys wonder at all that when 328 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 6: a team trades its captain. I think that went through 329 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 6: a little bit. 330 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: I'll leave that one alone. 331 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: Trades their captain. 332 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: So you're saying, Simeon over Seeger is the captain of 333 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: that team. 334 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 6: I think that's basically he was the captain there. Okay, 335 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 6: So it's kind of it makes me kind of if 336 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 6: I was putting the trade together, I would ask that GM, 337 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 6: why would you trade the captain of your team? Is 338 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 6: there something else going on here? I don't know, I 339 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 6: don't know. That's just my suspicions. You know, those calls 340 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 6: are made a lot, and I'm sure that sometimes there 341 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 6: is no reason. It's just change the scenery. They need 342 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 6: an outfielder, they need a second basement. I'm not sure 343 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 6: you know what the all the second base and what 344 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: what that does to Jeff McNeil. You know, I don't 345 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 6: know if they're trying to trade him or not. Jeff 346 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 6: can play a lot of places. He's a Swiss army knife. 347 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 6: He's a useful piece. 348 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Hey, while we're on the transaction front, and I heard 349 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: you jumping in for a moment earlier before we interrupted 350 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: you back, But did you come across Cedric Mullins. 351 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Cedric, I'll tell you my Cedric story. So 352 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 6: we're in spring training. You now, you go on the 353 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 6: road and you take all the jicks. Those are the 354 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 6: justin case guys and the backups and or they play. 355 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 6: And I kept getting this not a very good grade 356 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 6: of player, and they were kind of, I don't know, 357 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 6: flat line, nothing exciting by him. 358 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: So I'd call the farm Dirrect. 359 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 6: I said, hey, can we get somebody's got some life 360 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 6: in their body that might you know, you know, wants 361 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 6: to be here and wants to play and wants to 362 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 6: He goes, yeah, yeah, he says, I'll send this guy 363 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 6: over names Cedric Mullins. Not many people think he's a 364 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 6: real prospect. He's a little diminutive guy. And so he 365 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 6: walks into Pirate City in Bradenton, and this guy has 366 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 6: a game. 367 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: And we're all looking around, going where's this guy? Ben? 368 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: We're going, Yeah, he was switched hitting back. 369 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: Then. 370 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 6: The thing that I like about Tampa they hardly ever 371 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 6: acquire a player that's not a plus defender, and Cedric 372 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 6: can play all three. He's he's going to be a 373 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 6: nice fit there for him. Turf will work good for him. 374 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 6: And h what a great kid too. He's thirty. I 375 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 6: think he's going to play a thirty one. He's got 376 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 6: some skills left, great body. I used to call him 377 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 6: the toy cannon. But I remember the first time I 378 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 6: saw him at Parts sitting and I looked around and said, 379 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: what are we missing here? Is this guy, you know, 380 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 6: done something to the owner or something along the way? 381 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: What are we missing? 382 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 5: Is he turned out to be He's had a heck 383 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 5: of a career and he just made seven million dollars. 384 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 5: So somebody got something wrong or something right, depending on 385 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 5: who you ask. Before we get into all the managers, 386 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 5: Tony Vaytela in San Francisco, Do Terra in Washington. 387 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: That's younger than your grandchildren. Buck? 388 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 5: At this point, how important is it for I don't know, 389 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 5: It's got to be close, right. 390 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: No, I got my oldest grandson is eight. 391 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 7: His children not grand children. 392 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 5: But I forgot how Buck. I forgot how old Buck is? 393 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 5: His hair got me off. And then him driving around 394 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 5: this talk in the horn here I got confused. So Buck, 395 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 5: what I want to know is these managers? How important 396 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 5: is the bench coach and the pitching coach? And I 397 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 5: don't want to say hitting coach because hitting coach is 398 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 5: kind of on his own island, But the manager and 399 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: the pitching coach and the bench coach are kind of 400 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 5: like the trifecta and then in the dugout right, So 401 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 5: how important of a hire is it for a manager 402 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 5: to hire the right bench coach and have the right 403 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 5: pitching coach with him? 404 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 6: I think I think kind of manters aj who the 405 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 6: manager is, Like you think Bruce Bochi is a big deal. 406 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 6: Who the bench coach is? You think, uh, you know, 407 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 6: Tito Francona's a big deal. Who the bench coaches depends 408 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 6: on what that job description is. 409 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: You know. 410 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 6: I was lucky to have John Russell and Baltimore as 411 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 6: good as it. Guess he had managed before, but he 412 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 6: you know, he was solid. You know, it depends on 413 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 6: how you choose to use them. But you're right. The 414 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: h the hitting coach now, I mean, heck, they barely 415 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 6: hit outside anymore after four o'clock. But if you look 416 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 6: at the Angels, that are really interesting to me. They've 417 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 6: hired Mike Maddock since their pitching coach. They hired Brady 418 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 6: Anderson as a hitting coach, and they hired John Gibbons 419 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 6: as a bench coach. And Kurt Suzuki, quite frankly, has 420 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 6: played a lot of baseball. The only thing not on 421 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 6: his resume is having managed a lot, and you know 422 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 6: that's not you know, I'm sure John can help him 423 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 6: wrong and if you're open to those things, you know, 424 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 6: I'm not sure about Tony's staff. Somebody said they hired 425 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: wash today Ron Washington. Have you guys heard that? In 426 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: San Francisco? They'd be a good hire. But you know 427 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 6: those guys, you know, it's gonna be interesting to see 428 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 6: how that dynamic works out, especially with San Francisco. You know, 429 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 6: that's a different gig than the one he came from. Completely, 430 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 6: but Tony's a smart guy, and I don't think he'll 431 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 6: let his ego get in the way of reaching out 432 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: for help when he needs it. 433 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: Did you ever think you would see today when you 434 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: would see a college head coach jumped straight to the 435 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 4: big leagues, not to pro ball, straight to the big leagues? 436 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 4: Think about the time. I mean, I want you to 437 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: go back through your time of like working for George 438 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: coming into Baltimore when they needed to like rebuild it 439 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 4: to what you what you guys build it up to. Like, 440 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: did you ever think you would see this? 441 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 6: You know, I'm one of those that doesn't confuse change 442 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 6: with a lack of respect for tradition. You know, they think, 443 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 6: you know, I remember I first started managing Yankees. I 444 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 6: was thirty five, thirty six, and you know, I immediately 445 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 6: surrounded myself with Cleete Barrier and Frank Howard and Willie 446 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 6: Randolph and you know, and I had Don Mattingly on 447 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 6: the team, who you know, was a real strong ally 448 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 6: for me in the clubhouse, and you know, and we 449 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 6: started winning more. That really helps. Okay, your words are 450 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 6: gonna get hollow if you don't if it doesn't start 451 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: showing up on the scoreboard and standings and doesn't help 452 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 6: their career. But I'm not one of those those that 453 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 6: fights the convinctionality. I mean, it come in all shapes 454 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 6: and sizes, and I want to say baseball is baseball, 455 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 6: but the college game is different. You know, you play 456 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 6: your weekend series Friday, Saturday, Sunday. The bullpen management's different, 457 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 6: the rotation management's different, the way you acquire players is different. 458 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 6: You're playing almost two hundred games counting spring train as 459 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 6: opposed to fifty or sixty in college. But it's nothing 460 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 6: that you can't make adjustment to. I'm pulling for them. 461 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 6: You know, life's too short. Everybody looks at this convention, 462 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 6: this is the way it happened, this is the way 463 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 6: it's supposed to happen. Well, let's just see how it 464 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 6: works out. Maybe, you know, maybe changes the way we 465 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 6: look at them. The experience factor is something that's going 466 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 6: to have to move. And I think the biggest thing 467 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 6: that people miss is that gms that are hiring these 468 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 6: guys are completely different than the gms I came up with. 469 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 6: Doesn't mean it's good or bad, it's just they're looking 470 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 6: for a different type of guy that's not gonna rock 471 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 6: the boat. But basically be a liaison down in the clubhouse. 472 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 6: You know, the collaboration of picking players doesn't really happen anymore. 473 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's go to Washington. Let's go to 474 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 4: but Terra. You said you were thirty six when you 475 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 4: became the Yankees. 476 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 6: Thirty five or thirty it was the off season. I 477 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 6: think I was thirty five in the off season. 478 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: What is a young manager like Buttera going to face 479 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: not even talking about any kind of chops like he 480 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: hasn't he has a young GM. It's it's a lot 481 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: of think think alike. But what's he going to face there? 482 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: And how is that inexperience in the big leagues alone? 483 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: And his age being younger than you were when you 484 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: first started managing the Yankees. 485 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 6: Not as much as you may think, Not as much 486 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 6: as you may think. You know, I didn't play in 487 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 6: the big league. I played in Triple A, and you know, 488 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 6: and a lot of time in Double A. And so 489 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 6: I had to, you know, keep your nose down, and 490 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: I had to out figure out what I could do 491 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 6: that other I could out work, I could out relationship, 492 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 6: I could out you know, know the game within the game, 493 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 6: know our players, know the background. You know whatever, and 494 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 6: there are ways to make up. I don't think it's 495 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 6: as big as it used to be where people. I 496 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 6: think because the people that cover the game day, the 497 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 6: day to day guys are kind of like that, some 498 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 6: of the people that are being hired, and I think 499 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 6: down deep, it shows that they like something new and unconventional. 500 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 6: It makes easier to write. You know, people ask me 501 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 6: what's changed the most. What's changed the most is the 502 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 6: people that cover the game, the more modern people they 503 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 6: I was always surprised after games guys about what they 504 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 6: didn't ask me, not what they asked me. I would 505 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 6: go because you know, they have different requirements. Now they're 506 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 6: up in the press box, you know, tweeting and typing 507 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 6: and the game and different thoughts, and they're not really 508 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 6: watching the game. So they missed something that happened in 509 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: the third ending that really decided the game. And I 510 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 6: can't times I left, I go wow to the PR director, 511 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 6: I can't believe they didn't ask that. So the way 512 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: the game's covered I think gives these guys a better chance. 513 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: That's fair, that's fair. 514 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 5: You did say something though, that I found interesting when 515 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 5: you said the back and forth between the GM and 516 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 5: the manager and picking players has changed. We'll explain that 517 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: because I always said, listen, when I first came up, 518 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 5: and that was nineteen ninety eight, Tom Kelly was our manager. 519 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: Terry Ryan was our GM. 520 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 5: Terry Ryan didn't really have a lot. It was it 521 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 5: was Tom Kelly liked you. Tom Kelly didn't like If 522 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 5: he didn't like you, you were out. Like there was 523 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 5: no Terry Ryan going to him and saying, I don't 524 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 5: care what you say, Tom like. 525 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: I like this kid. 526 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 5: He's got a chance to be a really good player. No, no, no, 527 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: TK was out on you. 528 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: You were out. 529 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 5: Nowadays that it seems like it's almost the other way. 530 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: The GM's going say, hey, Buck, here's your players. Make 531 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 5: him work right, And it used to be the other way. 532 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 5: So explain how that has changed and why it's changed. 533 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 6: Well, you know, along that subject, and when I see 534 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 6: guys giving up coaches, Hey, the manager is coming back, 535 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 6: but four or five coaches aren't coming back. That's why 536 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 6: I left the Yankees years ago, because I knew the 537 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 6: respect I would have in the clubhouse is gone. All 538 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 6: the things I asked them to believe in. So it 539 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 6: still drives me crazy when I see a manager go, Okay, 540 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 6: take my pitching coach, take my hitting coach, take my 541 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 6: third base coach. But as long as I'm still here, 542 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 6: I don't know how. I don't know how you get 543 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 6: through that. So when you start giving people up your 544 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 6: credibility in the clubhouse, hey guys, I'm going to be 545 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 6: there for you wit a minute. You weren't there for 546 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 6: that pitching coach that you said was the greatest thing ever. 547 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 6: So I think the collaboration. When the players know that 548 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 6: the manager and the coaches have no input on player evaluation, 549 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: it makes for a different mindset in a clubhouse. And 550 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 6: I think that's what a lot of front officers don't realize. 551 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 6: When the players know that that Tom Kelly has no 552 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 6: input at all on their future, there's a different dynamic 553 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 6: making your clubhouse. 554 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom Kelly, when he finally did get LEGO, the 555 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 5: Twins came to him and said, hey, do you want 556 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: to get rid of your pitching coach His name was 557 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 5: Dick Sutch And He's like, no. 558 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: It's either both of us or none of us. 559 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 5: And they said well, and then so Tom Kelly obviously resigned, retired, 560 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. He still work for 561 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 5: the organization, but he would go down with it. 562 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: I had Brian Butterfield, Mark Connor. I can go right 563 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: down the list. 564 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 6: Willie rant them people they wanted and I said no, 565 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 6: and mister Steinbrenner. Next thing I know, I was head 566 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 6: of Dara's own. 567 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: Hey, you know, all. 568 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 6: These things you preach to the players, then all of 569 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: a sudden, when you give up people, your words are hollow. 570 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 6: You can't go in the clubhouse and think you're going 571 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 6: to get that same respect. 572 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 7: It's good stuff, Hey, Buck, I want to finish with this. 573 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: So Sunday night they do the voting in the announcement 574 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: for who makes the Hall of Fame from the Contemporary Committee. 575 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw I'm nervous. I'm nervous, nervous. 576 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 7: Are you okay? Talk to me. You're on the you're 577 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 7: on the chair, talk to me. What are you nervous about? 578 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 2: For Donnie? Is that the guy? I think this is 579 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: Donnie's best shot. I do. 580 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 6: And there's got to be a wing for Hall of 581 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 6: Fame people. You know, it was so important for people, 582 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 6: his teammates. He made his teammates so much better. And 583 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 6: I don't know, you know, if his back had been. Okay, 584 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 6: you can say about a lot of people. He and 585 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 6: Del Murphy have my attention in this group. I mean, 586 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 6: what do you guys think? 587 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: I agree, I listen, I agree. 588 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: I mean and and by the way, I'm going to 589 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 5: say this too, Del Murphy is my favorite player growing up. 590 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 5: Maddingly is one of the favorite, my favorite people I've 591 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 5: ever met in baseball. 592 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: Why but why why? 593 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 5: Because they're just awesome people to talk to, and they're 594 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 5: they literally would give you your their shirt off your back, 595 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 5: and they're just they were not unbelievable players first of all, 596 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: but then when you talk to him, you're just like 597 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 5: this guy, I mean, Del Murphy. Listen as a Braves 598 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: fan growing up, Dale Murphy two MVPs back to back 599 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 5: MVPs took the worst teams I've ever seen and carried 600 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 5: him for years, actually got into the playoffs, which is unbelievable. 601 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how, you know, four hundred 602 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 5: plus home I just don't understand how you he's not 603 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 5: in But and Maddingly, everything he went through in New York, 604 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 5: all the stuff with George and all whatever you want 605 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: to say, in the years he put together, he. 606 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: Should be in the Hall of fame. 607 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 5: But the problem I have but is also as someone 608 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 5: that played against Barry and Clemens and those guys, I 609 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 5: think they should be in too. I'm sorry I draw 610 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 5: the line of steroid use at two thousand and five. 611 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 5: If you got caught after two thousand and five, when 612 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 5: they told you he's stupid, you can't, you can't do this, 613 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 5: then you're out. I don't care who you are. Alex 614 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 5: Rodriguez out, Manny Ramirez out. All these got RAFFI pal Merrow, 615 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 5: I don't know. If you were there, then out right. 616 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 5: You got caught after they said don't do this. If 617 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: there's allegations of you before that, fine, you're you're fine 618 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 5: because that wasn't against the rules of baseball. It was 619 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 5: against the law, but it wasn't against the rules of baseball. 620 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 5: And trust me, we all know buck people have done 621 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 5: other things that are against the law, but not against. 622 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. That's a great point, 623 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: so to me. 624 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that that Mattingly and Murphy should 625 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 5: have been in a long time ago. But then I 626 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: think Clemens and Bonds and that crew should also be in. 627 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 5: So I think there's a lot of guys on this ballot. 628 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 4: That's why this ballot to. 629 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 5: Me, when I look at it, I'm like, Damn, I 630 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: can make a case for all ten of these people to. 631 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: Get in exactly, exactly exactly. You know, I always described 632 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 6: Donnie and I think you could say Murphy too. I 633 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 6: think they were very stylish players, and they go what 634 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 6: I go, Yeah, their substance was their style. You know, 635 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 6: Donnie hit a home run and it's like he had 636 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 6: done it before and by the grace of God, he 637 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 6: might again. To you know, my top three moments in 638 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 6: my whole career was when Donnie got announced in ninety 639 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 6: five playoffs. But the home run he hit off Andy 640 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 6: Bennis when it left the infield, I went, oh my god. 641 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 6: People think I got out of the dug out to 642 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 6: greet him. I got out so the I thought the 643 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 6: roof was coming down. Those old cinder blocks were shaking. 644 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 6: I'd never heard of place that loud in my life, 645 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 6: and I'm going, oh my god. We had to stopped 646 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 6: the game. Lupenella pulled his team off the field. A 647 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 6: lot of people forget that, but Donnie having those moments 648 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 6: and his substance was in style. I said that about 649 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 6: Jeter two one time. And that's what you know, they 650 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 6: didn't have any of this. Look at me, everybody, let 651 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 6: me do something that draws your attention to me. You 652 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 6: know what drew your attention is just how good he was. 653 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 6: I was telling my grandson about it the other day, 654 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 6: after he scored and went through all these gyrations. I said, congratulations, 655 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 6: the first one you've ever scored, and he goes, well, 656 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 6: that's not the first one. I said, it sure looked 657 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 6: like it. 658 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: Last one real quick. But did you talk to Donnie? 659 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Did you talk to him leading up to this? 660 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 661 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: And is he nervous too? Is he one of those 662 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: guys where he's like, no, Donnie, No? 663 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 6: You know, I think Donnie's son is like ten or 664 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: eleven out. He's got four boys, I think, but he, uh, 665 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 6: Donny's maybe he's just not letting on. I don't know 666 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 6: because I played with him. Remember the first time I 667 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: saw him, this long, skinny neck guy that hit six 668 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 6: or seven home runs, And you know, I was a 669 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 6: jerk to him. He was playing my position. After watching 670 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 6: him play for a month, I went, Okay, you better 671 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 6: find another line of workers. You're not gonna you know, 672 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 6: he's ahead of you, and you ain't catching up with him. 673 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 6: He could filey a ball as good as anybody aja 674 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 6: needed a hit. He could he could duck fart a 675 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 6: ball to left anytime he wanted to. 676 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: As a proud duck farter buck. I love that skill. Long. 677 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 5: That's a long lost art, the old duck fart to 678 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 5: the left field over the shortstop, said the magic wand Buck. 679 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, Eric, you never had one of those two, right, But. 680 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 4: What's what sucks about a duck fart? Hit? 681 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: Nothing? 682 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely nothing? 683 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 6: You ever ever hit one that you're trying to pull 684 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 6: and it goes this way, and you you try not 685 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 6: to act like it was a complete luck. So instead 686 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 6: of you try not to look for the ball because 687 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 6: you're looking to left and it's over here to right. 688 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 6: That's quite a skill to make everybody think that you 689 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 6: meant to do that. 690 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 4: It's hard to get. 691 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: Oh god, I they used to call it the show 692 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: Walter corner. I could. 693 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 6: I could right over the third baseman's head for a 694 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 6: two bagger boys, and I was a left handed hitter. 695 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I missed those two. They don't pay for those anymore. 696 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: But that's another story. We can get into that next time. 697 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 6: By the way, the next time you guys are talking 698 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 6: about defense, they still haven't figured out how to if 699 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 6: you want to, if you want to create a niche 700 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: in baseball, if you got together a bunch of people 701 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 6: evaluating defense is still you can't do it analytically. 702 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: You got an eyeball them and you got to talk 703 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: to people. 704 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 6: And I look at some people that are in finalists 705 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 6: for Gold Glove, and I go, are you kidding me? 706 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: Who is making this list out? 707 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: That's different? Here's my thing real quick. I'm going to 708 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: come back at you for this book number one. I 709 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: think the metrics are better than what they used to be, right, 710 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: just going off like fielding percentage or something like that. Right, 711 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: So they're better. 712 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 7: I agree with you. There's a long way to go. 713 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: And sometimes you look at a metric for someone who 714 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: you're like, what. But here's the other part. The awards 715 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: are screwed. They are so screwed up right now, and 716 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: they're not a lot of it's not necessarily based on metrics. 717 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 7: Some of it's like one of them has like fan voting. 718 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: It's it's a ridiculous situation that needs to be fixed. 719 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, fan vote? 720 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 4: How was cal Ray not like he was? 721 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 5: He won the platinum glove and he was better he 722 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 5: had but he had zero pass ball zero and thirty games. 723 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: That's almost how about that. I know that one. 724 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 5: Throwing split after split after split, and he had That's 725 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 5: why he got danged. 726 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 4: That's why he got dinged because he went down and 727 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 4: his blocking and his his blocking went down. He saw 728 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 4: the most balls in the dirt over I think it 729 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: was eighty eight miles an hour of any catcher. So 730 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: all his numbers went down. That's why. 731 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 6: And I'll take him. I'll take him. All those numbers 732 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 6: going down, I'll take him. I'll signed me up. Okay, 733 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 6: and number two Like like you guys, I think you said, 734 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 6: uh Scott, that that arm strength Cedric Mullens has an 735 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 6: average arm. No he doesn't. No, he doesn't trust me. 736 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 6: He doesn't have an average arm. I'm not gonna say 737 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 6: it's an above average arm, below average arm under just 738 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 6: telling you it's the average in the major leagues. But 739 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 6: like arm strength, do not tell me about arm strength 740 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 6: just because what velocity they're throwing the baseball at. You know, 741 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 6: it's so much more than that. So to properly evaluate defense, 742 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 6: you've really got to have some people with trained eyes 743 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 6: and boots on the ground that know what they're looking at, 744 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 6: and how does it actually play in a game? You know, 745 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 6: how do they evaluate who can turn the double play 746 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 6: the best? Not by the number of double plays they turn. 747 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 6: You know, maybe they're playing with a team that doesn't 748 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 6: throw any ground balls. You know, how do you how 749 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 6: do you decide what a great tag or somebody? 750 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: If J. J. 751 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 6: Hardy was the greatest tagger I ever saw, but they 752 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 6: never gave him any points for that? How about fly 753 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 6: balls in the range? On fly balls for infielders or catchers. 754 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 6: There's so many variables to this to defense that they 755 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 6: miss out on. Okay, I'm done, thanks for letting me go, but. 756 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 7: Your spot on on that, we have a long ways 757 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 7: to go. 758 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 5: Here's the thing, Buck, Cedric Mullins might not have the 759 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 5: greatest arm in the world, but you know what he 760 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 5: does better than most outfielders. As soon as the ball's hit, 761 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 5: he comes and gets it right. So what as a 762 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 5: third base coach? What shuts you down first? How fast 763 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 5: the guy's coming in to get it. 764 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. 765 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 6: I coached third base and the rule of thumb was 766 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 6: if the if the runner is in front of the bag. 767 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 6: When the player corrals the ball, secures the ball, you 768 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 6: stop him. If he's past it, you send him. And 769 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 6: if he's on the bag, you got to make a decision. 770 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 6: If it's Simon Tank. But the I use to tell 771 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 6: the guys, if you guys will come get the ball. 772 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 6: You can have a thirty arm, you can have a 773 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 6: blowy average arm, but if you come get the ball, 774 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 6: you will shut some of these guys down that should 775 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 6: be sent. That's a great point. 776 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: Aj I love it well, Buck, this was a pleasure 777 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: as always. Good luck to your buddy Donnie Umbroton for 778 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: him two on Sunday, and we'll talk to you soon. 779 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks you guys, thanks for having me. 780 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: Take care. Thank you got the basketball.