WEBVTT - How Managers Are Breaking The Internet

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<v Speaker 1>More Zone Media. Hello, and welcome to Better Offline. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at Zetron. This episode is the first of a three

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<v Speaker 1>part series about how the tech industry has been snatched

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<v Speaker 1>from the hands of people who actually build things using

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<v Speaker 1>software and hardware by a bunch of managers that have

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<v Speaker 1>little or no interaction with the products they're actually profiting from.

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<v Speaker 1>The same managers also don't appear to do much work,

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<v Speaker 1>and today I'm going to walk you through exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>bad things have gotten as a result. In early April,

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<v Speaker 1>Meta revealed in Emotion Training to dismiss an FTC anti

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<v Speaker 1>monopoly lawsuit that Instagram made an astonishing thirty two point

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<v Speaker 1>four billion dollars in advertising revenue in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>That figure becomes even more shocking when you consider Google's

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube only made twenty eight point eight billion dollars during

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<v Speaker 1>the same period. I'd argue YouTube is significantly more useful anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg reports that Instagram made almost thirty percent of Meta's

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<v Speaker 1>entire revenue in the early part of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety six percent of Meta's forty point one billion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter twenty twenty three revenue came from advertising and

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<v Speaker 1>It's made over one hundred billion dollars a year since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, a trend that's likely to continue based

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that the only thing these platforms care

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<v Speaker 1>about is ducing as much revenue from these apps. Google

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<v Speaker 1>made eighty six point three billion dollars in the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of twenty twenty three, with forty eight billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of that coming from Google Search and its related advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>up thirteen percent from the previous quarter. According to Pew Research,

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<v Speaker 1>in America, eighty three percent of adults use YouTube, sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent of the meuse Facebook, and forty seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the mew's Instagram. Each platform both over two billion users,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the last three years, Meta and Google have

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<v Speaker 1>made over a half trillion dollars in revenue from these platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>I now want you to go to Facebook. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to scroll down, and I want you to see

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<v Speaker 1>how quickly you hit an advertisement or a sponsored content thing.

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<v Speaker 1>In my case, after a single post from a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>I was immediately hit with a suggestion for me to

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<v Speaker 1>join a group for adult Bluey fans. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>watch blue I have not watched Bluey. This was then

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<v Speaker 1>followed by a post from a friend, followed by another ad,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by two posts and friends, followed by a suggestion

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<v Speaker 1>to join a group called Aviation Meme Lords, followed by

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<v Speaker 1>another ad. On Instagram, I saw one post from a

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<v Speaker 1>person I followed, followed by an AD for a game,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by a suggested video, followed by something from someone

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<v Speaker 1>I followed, followed by a suggested video, followed by an

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<v Speaker 1>ad of followed by a person I followed posting something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then another yested piece of content the first ad.

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<v Speaker 1>When I clicked my Stories, a totally different and even

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<v Speaker 1>more confusing part of Instagram that's mostly just a rip

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<v Speaker 1>off of Snapchat, I got an ad for a game

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<v Speaker 1>using footage that isn't actually in the game itself, an

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<v Speaker 1>outright bait and switch employed by mobile game developers like

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<v Speaker 1>those who make Ebony, that make millions of dollars off

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<v Speaker 1>of these horrifying, annoying, micro transaction heavy games. When I

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<v Speaker 1>went to YouTube, my first result was for an eleven

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<v Speaker 1>minute long Taiwanese news video of some sort. The next

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<v Speaker 1>one was a video that appeared to be in Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't speak these languages. That's my fault, not theirs,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is kind of YouTube's wort for trying to

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<v Speaker 1>show them to me. In fact, when I went around

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<v Speaker 1>and I scrolled through, it was all in Chinese. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Google and I typed, why are my

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube videos in Chinese? The first result was a Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>post where several users were, for whatever reason, being served

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<v Speaker 1>random videos in Chinese. There was actually no conclusion to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I still do not know why this happened. I can't read.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only speak and read of like in English,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can barely do that. I'm very sorry anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>Google though, is especially annoying because while researching the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast, it took me about half an hour

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<v Speaker 1>to get the basics for the beginning because every time

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<v Speaker 1>I googled something like, say, what percentage of web traffic

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Google? Which I really was not able to find.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept being given these so called authoritative sources like

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<v Speaker 1>Forbes Advisor, which to be clear, is not Forbes magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an affiliate marketing arm of Forbes. It's very deceptive.

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<v Speaker 1>The sources inside the Forbes Advisor piece I found ranged

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<v Speaker 1>from things from blogging wizard to a literal list of

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<v Speaker 1>website names with no links. I'm talking about just a

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<v Speaker 1>plaintext list. The state of Google's very worrying. A year

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<v Speaker 1>long study from Leipzig University published last year and reported

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<v Speaker 1>on by Jason Kobler of four or four Media found

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<v Speaker 1>that the quality of good Google search results has decayed

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<v Speaker 1>at a remarkable rate. The incentives of content creators to

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<v Speaker 1>search engine optimize their content based on standards published by

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<v Speaker 1>Google has filled search full of crap, with higher ranked

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<v Speaker 1>pages that are on average, more optimized, more monetized with

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<v Speaker 1>affiliate marketing, and featuring predominantly lower quality text. To make

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<v Speaker 1>matters worse, the researchers found that only a small portion

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<v Speaker 1>of product reviews on the web use affiliate marketing, but

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of search results raised by Google do. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're unfamiliar with affiliate marketing, it's when outlets run pieces

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<v Speaker 1>about something, say top ten speakers or top ten laptops,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a bunch of links like Amazon or

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<v Speaker 1>Walmart of best Buy, and they get a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of cash from the platform. When everyone someone clicks that

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<v Speaker 1>and buys something doesn't even have to be the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they were originally clicking on. This revenue model incentivizes

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<v Speaker 1>sites to write lots of best of articles that exist

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<v Speaker 1>entirely to make click things to make the money. To

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, this is actually a perfectly normal business model

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<v Speaker 1>in the right hands. The Wirecutter has done a great

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<v Speaker 1>job of monetizing affiliate marketing while providing very thorough recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>The Verge has two there are decent people doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>The majority of them are not decent though, Just so

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<v Speaker 1>we're abundantly clear. To quote the study, search engine optimization

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<v Speaker 1>is a constant battle, and we in this case the

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<v Speaker 1>study people see repeated patterns of review spam, entering, and

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the results as search engines and SEO engineers take

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<v Speaker 1>turns adjusting their parameters. So in Layman's terms, Google is

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<v Speaker 1>in this battle with the people writing search engine optimized content. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, this content, the search optimized stuff, is

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<v Speaker 1>done so with Google's approval. And there are people at

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<v Speaker 1>Google who'll kind of nudge you in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>They never really give full directions, but they they're okay

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<v Speaker 1>with search engine optimization. You think they wouldn't be, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>think they'd want to fight for like standards and quality,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, they actively help these people gain the system.

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<v Speaker 1>So what Google will do is they will update Google

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<v Speaker 1>and then these people will change their means to beat Google,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Google will maybe update again. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem. You see. The Leipzig University researchers refer

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<v Speaker 1>to tweets to these algorithms to fight spam as only

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<v Speaker 1>really having a temporarily positive effect, and that search engines

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<v Speaker 1>always seem to lose the cat and mouse game that

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<v Speaker 1>is seo spam now. In March twenty twenty four, Google

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<v Speaker 1>announced that it was making changes to its algorithm that

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<v Speaker 1>would reduce spam and AI generated content by forty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>and very specifically said it would raise human authored content

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<v Speaker 1>to the top of Google. Everyone in the press was

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<v Speaker 1>gleeful about this. They're saying how good it was and

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<v Speaker 1>that Google was finally doing something. It's been a month,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's happened. Things still suck. Scammy outlets called things like

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<v Speaker 1>tech Gate and Daily Good Morning Kashmir wholesale steel articles,

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<v Speaker 1>and places like tech Crunch and coin Telegraph, and at

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<v Speaker 1>times these stolen articles will rank above or in place

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<v Speaker 1>of the original articles, depriving journalists and publishers of traffic

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<v Speaker 1>and revenue. It's insane. I briefly sparred with Danny Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the he's the search liaism for Google about

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<v Speaker 1>this and tech gate has now disappeared as of doing

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<v Speaker 1>this day. The Good Morning Kashmir has them, And indeed

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<v Speaker 1>there are multiple journalists I know that have said that

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<v Speaker 1>their articles are regularly outpaced by these spam shops. And

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly every time I talk to anyone on the Google

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<v Speaker 1>side about this, they say, ah, I am I done.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do about it. Danny's a good bloke.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny used to run search engine land, I believe, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just part of the machine now and it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's a good bloke. I want to like Danny. But mate, Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna be the search liaison, it's art to

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<v Speaker 1>liaise with the search engine, it's time to promote the

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<v Speaker 1>journalists saying oh, mate, we don't know how to fix

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<v Speaker 1>the machine is not aloody excuse. Google, a company worth

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<v Speaker 1>around two trillion dollars, is either unable or unwilling to

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<v Speaker 1>fix the problem. But I think the truth might be

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<v Speaker 1>just a little simpler. There's just no incentive for it

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<v Speaker 1>to make things better, as Google Search remains one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most profitable businesses in the damn world. In episode two.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I'm going to tell you the people responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're led by a fellow called Prabhakar Ragavan. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hear that name a lot in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say it another time. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and saying it a lot though. Anyway, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the state of the modern Internet. Ultra profitable platforms outright

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<v Speaker 1>abdicating any responsibility toward the customer or even the wider

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<v Speaker 1>digital ecosystem. They're not offering a service or a portal

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<v Speaker 1>or an app or a useful thing, but they're finding

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<v Speaker 1>as many ways to interrupt you, the user, to push

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<v Speaker 1>you into doing something or seeing something that's profitable for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, I really I am describing modern business. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at Facebook or Instagram right now, can

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<v Speaker 1>you really tell me that's a service. Can you really

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<v Speaker 1>tell me you are getting to see your friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family on Instagram or Facebook. No, the whole thing's a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge, big, ultra profitable mess. The greatest lie in

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<v Speaker 1>tech is that Facebook and Instagram are for catching up

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<v Speaker 1>with your friends, because that's not what they do, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not what they've done for years. These platforms are

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<v Speaker 1>now pathways for this nebulous concept of content discovery, which

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<v Speaker 1>really means it's just a barely personalized entertainment network that

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally drizzles or dribbles things you choose to see on

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<v Speaker 1>top of crappy sponsored content, ads and groups that are

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<v Speaker 1>part of a relational database that has your name on it.

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<v Speaker 1>On some level, it's kind of hard to say you

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<v Speaker 1>even use these apps anymore. The term use suggests the

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<v Speaker 1>level of industry and user control that Meta has spent

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<v Speaker 1>over high for a decade destroying, and they've turned Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and Facebook into tubes to funnel human beings in front

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<v Speaker 1>of those who either pay for the privilege of visibility

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<v Speaker 1>or have found ways to trick Facebook's algorithms into showing

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<v Speaker 1>you their crap. And it's all the direct result of

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<v Speaker 1>what I call the rot economy, a growth at all

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<v Speaker 1>cost mindset built off the back of immovable monopolies where

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<v Speaker 1>tech companies profitably punish you as a means of showing

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<v Speaker 1>the markets eternal growth. In practice, this means turning these

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<v Speaker 1>platforms into something that offers you a service into something

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<v Speaker 1>that drives engagement, which, in Facebook and Instagram's case, means

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<v Speaker 1>finding the maximum amount of times they can interrupt you

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<v Speaker 1>before you close the app entirely. In Google's case, it

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<v Speaker 1>means making changes the search that made advertisements and sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>links kind of impossible to tell the difference between for

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<v Speaker 1>most people, and making it so that users had to

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<v Speaker 1>make more queries on Google. Now I sound paranoid when

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<v Speaker 1>I say that I realized the idea that Google would

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<v Speaker 1>have a metric that said, we need people to search

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<v Speaker 1>for more stuff on Google. I am quoting Google saying

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<v Speaker 1>this emails from the antitrust lawsuit between them and the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice. Episode two. I'm going to go into it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you worry? And really it is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>government's fault here. They've taken this optimistic, respectful and trustworthy

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<v Speaker 1>approach to tech. They've said, well, tech is providing something

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<v Speaker 1>for free, aren't they, so really can't be too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a bastard to them. And the result is we've

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<v Speaker 1>just got this Internet riddled with decay and pain. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an Internet that incentivizes mining human beings like veins of awe.

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<v Speaker 1>And in these next few episodes, I'm going to walk

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<v Speaker 1>you through how big tech turned the Internet into a

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<v Speaker 1>multi trillion dollar social experiment. And I'm going to name

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<v Speaker 1>the bastards responsible underpinning these profitable torture machines. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>online advertisement industry built off the back of fucking advertisers

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<v Speaker 1>and users alike. In the mid twenty tens, Facebook mistakenly

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<v Speaker 1>told online publishers that their videos were receiving more engagement

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<v Speaker 1>than they actually did, leading to multiple publishers pivoting to video,

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<v Speaker 1>a disastrous industry movement that cost hundreds of reporters their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Led to a massive class action suit against meta media.

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<v Speaker 1>Companies based on Facebook's lies radically changed their operations, with

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<v Speaker 1>MTV News cutting its entire rating team and shifting to

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<v Speaker 1>short form video in July twenty seventeen. Vocative did the same.

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<v Speaker 1>The following month, Vice Media cut roughly sixty editorial roles

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<v Speaker 1>and expanded its video production capabilities. In response to this

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<v Speaker 1>so called growth, Mike, a much smaller company than MTV

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<v Speaker 1>newser Vice Media but quite beloved at the time, slashed

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<v Speaker 1>ten rolls and shifted the rest of its output to video,

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<v Speaker 1>going all in on a bet that, as you can guess,

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<v Speaker 1>failed catastrophically, with the company eventually being sold off the

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<v Speaker 1>Bustle Digital Group for a pittance. Those video roles were

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<v Speaker 1>of course cut or vastly reduced when it was obvious

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<v Speaker 1>that there really wasn't any engagement on these things that

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<v Speaker 1>I have a whole episode on this, please go back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to it. Meta is also currently the subject

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<v Speaker 1>of a class action suit led by Metroplex Communications, which

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that metas inflated metrics lwered advertisers away from competing platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>something that has been sued for before. When all of

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<v Speaker 1>your incentives are aligned around bigger and more and growth,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll take just about anybody's money. In Meta's case, this

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<v Speaker 1>means getting advertisers who compare the COVID nineteen vaccine to

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<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust, or quack doctors with phony cancer treatments, scammers

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<v Speaker 1>selling counterfeit phishing equipment, scammers offering fake discounts for puzzles,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course, cryptocurrency cons An investigation from late last

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<v Speaker 1>year found that a third of advertisements on Facebook marketplace

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK were scams, and earlier in the year,

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<v Speaker 1>UK financial services authorities said it had banned more than

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand illegal investment ads across Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok in twenty twenty two alone. A fifteen hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>increase over the past year, and as these platforms begin

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<v Speaker 1>to decay, things only get worse for the user. Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk's acquisition of Twitter and his obvious outright hostility towards

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<v Speaker 1>blue chip advertisers, and also his anti Semitic posts just

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of bad stuff with Elon. They've turned

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter into kind of the digital equivalent of Downtown Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Seemingly every post is replied to by a bot offering

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<v Speaker 1>nudes in bio, or pussy in bio, something in bio,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the moment, quite literally, just a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>a fully nude woman, which is pretty funny until you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that according to John Herman and New York Magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>these bots are afront for a series of very big,

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<v Speaker 1>nasty online dating scams that lose people tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. Elon Musk choosing to check the blue check

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<v Speaker 1>mark from something that was given by Twitter to say

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<v Speaker 1>that you are the real person into a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you buy for eight dollars has allowed cryptocurrency scammers, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Protos, to make millions by tricking users into connecting

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<v Speaker 1>their wallets to fund drain their entire thing like it's

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat technical, but you just click these websites and you say, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>i'll connect my whilet and then they take all of

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<v Speaker 1>your money. And it seems like they're even buying ads

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<v Speaker 1>on the platform to do so, using stolen credit cards

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<v Speaker 1>musks desperation for ad revenue has even led Twitter to

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<v Speaker 1>start pushing ads that don't actually say their ads, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to an advertising watchdog called check my Ads to file

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<v Speaker 1>a formal complaint with the FTC demanding that it investigates

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter and enforces its truth in advertising standards. Also, right

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<v Speaker 1>now on Twitter, there is something called the Creator program,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you have Twitter Blue, that's right, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay them to get paid. You can make a

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<v Speaker 1>little money off of advertising. When other Twitter Blue people reply.

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<v Speaker 1>The significance of this is right now, Twitter is posting

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<v Speaker 1>tons of unlabeled ads for mister Beast videos so that

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk can give money to mister Beasts, so that

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<v Speaker 1>mister Beast will repost things from YouTube, allowing Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>to pay him money. It's a very confusing thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter is really bad. I won't call it X. I

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<v Speaker 1>think X is a stupid name. It's terrible to search for.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks. The whole site kind of sucks. I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>it until the end. It's like the Titanic. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the iceberg coming, but nevertheless it's in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet it's foolish to act as if the sorry state

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<v Speaker 1>of Twitter is really that different to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the web. Instagram is flooded with pornobots. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>for years, and what they do is they engage with

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<v Speaker 1>regular posts enough times through likes and replies as a

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<v Speaker 1>means of pretending they're real so that they can avoid

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<v Speaker 1>Meta's flimsy automated content moderation, and that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is only quasi auto. Meta also underpays, horribly underpays. I

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<v Speaker 1>should add people in other countries like Kenya, they make

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<v Speaker 1>as little as two dollars and twenty cents an hour

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<v Speaker 1>to view what Wired referred to as the most hideous

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<v Speaker 1>content on the Internet. Because that's what's important to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Meta is doing something. They're stopping you from seeing literal

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<v Speaker 1>beheadings and child abuse and such, and they're doing that

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<v Speaker 1>by paying basically prison labor rates in other countries. This

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<v Speaker 1>is also something that open ai and AI companies do

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<v Speaker 1>with training data. It's a disgusting practice. They should all

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<v Speaker 1>be in a lot of trouble for this, and they

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<v Speaker 1>never will be because no one ever eld them accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>Much like every major tech platform, Meta is just half

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<v Speaker 1>fastening its approach to moderation, and they're committing human rights

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<v Speaker 1>violations to do so, so that they can spend the

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<v Speaker 1>smallest amount of money possible to stop the things it

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<v Speaker 1>needs to stop you seeing. They need to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see someone being stabbed to death on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't really need to stop pornography or scams. They

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<v Speaker 1>should need to should be a government body that stops them,

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<v Speaker 1>but there isn't, so they don't. As you'd expect, these

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<v Speaker 1>standards have led to Facebook being flooded with generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>content spam, and a study came out of Stanford and

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<v Speaker 1>Georgetown that revealed that Facebook's algorithm is now boasting spam

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<v Speaker 1>content riddled with misinformation, and they're sending hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of impressions to pages that direct people to WordPress sites

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<v Speaker 1>crammed full of spammy and scammy ads. It's insane. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually really crazy. When you really look into this, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see that the web is falling apart in front

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<v Speaker 1>of us. And yet the most obvious sign of this

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<v Speaker 1>decay is just visiting a website on your telephone. Go

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<v Speaker 1>to IGN dot com lot could people work at Igana

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<v Speaker 1>Feel bad for saying this, but they have over three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million views and you go on there and you

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<v Speaker 1>immediately hit with two giant ads, one that fills the

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<v Speaker 1>top thirty page and auto playing videos. And this happens

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of sites. ESPN also another third for this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so weird. When I I went on there earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>I was hit with two giant acts. They took up

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<v Speaker 1>most of my screen, and on opening a story about

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<v Speaker 1>the new for that TV show, which is very good,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give them that, it then covered the top quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of my screen with another or playing at It's so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so weird when you see this happening. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like more people should be talking about this. This field.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if the road was just full of used condoms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if there was trash everywhere. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>web now anyway, Anyway, Reach PLC. They are publicly traded,

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<v Speaker 1>multimillion dollar business that dominates local journalism in the UK

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<v Speaker 1>and they hold basically monopolies in several regions and also

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<v Speaker 1>own three newspapers. Very depressing, they're notorious for this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of aggressive approach to monetization. Their websites have been described

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<v Speaker 1>as an over monetized mess and impossible to navigate with

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<v Speaker 1>a poor digital experience. Named as a partial contributor to

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<v Speaker 1>the declining financial fortunes of one of the more loathsome

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<v Speaker 1>companies in the world. If you open a local new

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<v Speaker 1>UK news website, especially one owned by Reach, with just

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<v Speaker 1>Safari on your phone, for example, you'll be met with

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<v Speaker 1>an endless deluge of page covering ads that appear in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of articles as you're scrolling, and other ads

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<v Speaker 1>that redirect you to an external website without any warning,

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<v Speaker 1>or while you're on the page trying to read the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you went to the website for. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>giants of journalism haven't resisted the temptation to fuck their

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<v Speaker 1>users over. CNN, one of the most influential news publications

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<v Speaker 1>in the world by hundreds of millions of people. They

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<v Speaker 1>host their own journalism and they spice in spami content

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<v Speaker 1>from something called a chumbox company. And these companies make

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of millions of dollars driving clicks to everything from

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<v Speaker 1>just scams to straight up this information. And you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>them on CNN, you find them on NBC, you find

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<v Speaker 1>them in tons of major media outlets, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>them are these insane stories, like two steps to tell

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<v Speaker 1>when a slot is close to hitting the jackpot, or

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<v Speaker 1>the best hearing aid. It's really strange to see this

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<v Speaker 1>in the in between Pulitzer Prize winning journalists and like

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<v Speaker 1>international conflicts. These chum box companies. They're ubiquitous because they

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<v Speaker 1>pay well, and it makes them super attractive to cash

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<v Speaker 1>strap media entities because you can just plug this bollocks

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<v Speaker 1>in and you just get money, even if it makes

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<v Speaker 1>your products suck. And they're awful. They're super horrible. They're

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<v Speaker 1>ruining the web, and they keep making more money. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, the late great podcast reply All, which by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, was killed by the rot economy Fuck you

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify anyway. Reply All had an episode that centered around

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<v Speaker 1>a widower whose wife's death had been hijacked by one

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<v Speaker 1>of these chumbox advertisers to push content that, using stolen

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<v Speaker 1>family photos, implied she had been unfaithful to him. The

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<v Speaker 1>title of the episode and add for the worst day

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<v Speaker 1>of your life was fitting, and it was only until

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<v Speaker 1>a massively popular podcast intervene that any of these networks

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<v Speaker 1>ban the advert. These networks outbrain taboola, evil companies run

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<v Speaker 1>by evil people. They're harmful, They're harmful to the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>They're harmful to users, and they're harmful to the news

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<v Speaker 1>brands that host them. If I was working for a

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<v Speaker 1>major news company, I'd be absolutely humiliated to see my

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<v Speaker 1>work put next to this nonsense, this celebrity bullshit, these

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<v Speaker 1>diet scams, these get rich quick schemes, Tommy Chong's fucking

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<v Speaker 1>CBD chews. I apologize swearing, but it's just so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these outlets so unprofitable that they just have to

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<v Speaker 1>sell out like this? I refuse to believe that I

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<v Speaker 1>just reviews. The modern Internet was built on a social

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<v Speaker 1>contract that said the big tech gave us services for

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<v Speaker 1>free in exchange for some sort of nebulous concept of data,

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<v Speaker 1>which largely took the form of content and connections we

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<v Speaker 1>made between people and the things that we posted. As

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<v Speaker 1>a result, this social contract was both assumed and extremely

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<v Speaker 1>easy to enter into because all of these sites were free,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that there was really never any attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>regulate the terms of it. There are terms and conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's really it, and you what you're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna barter with meta And there were never conditions

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<v Speaker 1>set for what can't be done to a user, what

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<v Speaker 1>can be done with the data. Look at Cambridge Analytica,

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<v Speaker 1>look at all of the different ways that Facebook hads

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<v Speaker 1>hurt people. None of that matters to them because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to. They don't care. There's nobody stopping them.

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<v Speaker 1>The FDC won't stop them, lawyers won't stop them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very depressing when you say it out loud anyway. As

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<v Speaker 1>a result, these platforms were are a form of bait

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<v Speaker 1>and switch, which underpins coreytor else very good but annoying

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<v Speaker 1>to say in shitification theory, where platforms have built these

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<v Speaker 1>massive monopolies based off for in good, useful services and

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<v Speaker 1>then turn them into something terrible but very profitable. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I've noted before and shertification kind of misses one point,

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<v Speaker 1>these companies are not doing this out of a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of profitability or some sort of failure in their business model.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing so because the Internet has become something between

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<v Speaker 1>a social experiment and a mining operation. They're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>because they can. Nobody's stopping them. And doctor Oo has

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<v Speaker 1>upgraded his theory to the insure to see now he

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<v Speaker 1>has brought in some of these things. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just tired of people responding to the Rock economy and

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<v Speaker 1>saying in citification Corey Rock's I'm gonna have him on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast Jesus. But seriously, though, it's not because they're

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly left hand hand. They've just kept turning the screw

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<v Speaker 1>because who's going to stop them? What's you're going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Not use Google, not use Facebook, not use Instagram anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Warsall, who I've given a lot of shit. Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>did a good thing there. He framed this well in

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<v Speaker 1>a recent piece in the Atlantic published in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of April that described the overall techscape as a form

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<v Speaker 1>of hostage negotiation. Interactions with tech companies are no longer

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<v Speaker 1>a purchase or a two way contract, but kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a trade of information long after you've purchased the product itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Every interaction with tech now requires us to share our

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<v Speaker 1>email address or our phone number, to accept a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of subtle tracking. Don't worry it's anonymous, or of course,

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<v Speaker 1>to share your personal information that will probably be leaked.

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<v Speaker 1>It's try it at this point to say that human

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<v Speaker 1>beings themselves are the product, but it's kind of impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid saying when you look at the state of

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet now. Tech companies have found every imaginable way

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<v Speaker 1>to monetize every imaginable thing we do, all based on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they're providing us with something in return,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you really think about it, haven't really provided

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<v Speaker 1>a service at all. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Google. They're platforms

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<v Speaker 1>that only have as much utility as the content they host,

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<v Speaker 1>which is created by billions of mostly unsupported and unpaid users.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of shitty trade off was meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>something that was rewarded, with these platforms creating and hosting

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<v Speaker 1>this content in a way that was easier to find

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<v Speaker 1>and use and to help either surface to a wider

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<v Speaker 1>audience or quickly get it to people we cared about,

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<v Speaker 1>all while making sure the conditions we created it under

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<v Speaker 1>and posted it under were interesting and safe, something that

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can all agree is no longer the

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<v Speaker 1>case now. The state of the Internet's now far simpler.

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<v Speaker 1>The cost of using free platforms is a constant war,

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<v Speaker 1>a war with the incentives and intentions of the platforms themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We're constantly negotiating with Instagram or Facebook to see content

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<v Speaker 1>from people that we chose to follow. Because these platforms

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer built to show us things that we

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<v Speaker 1>want to see. We no longer search Google, but barter

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<v Speaker 1>with the seedy little search box to try and coax

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<v Speaker 1>out result that isn't either search engine optimized half answer,

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<v Speaker 1>or an attempt to trick us into clicking an ad.

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter in its prime succeeded by connecting real people to

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<v Speaker 1>real things at a time when the Internet actively manufactures

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<v Speaker 1>or experience in interactions with others. Now, Twitter is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>ads and pornobots. Great stuff, but the core problem lies

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<v Speaker 1>in the fact that these platforms don't really create anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and their only value exists in making an internet of

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<v Speaker 1>billions of people small enough to comprehend. Like seemingly every

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn problem with capitalism, the Internet has become dominated by

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<v Speaker 1>forces that don't contribute to the product that actually enriches them,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a result, they have no concept or interest

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<v Speaker 1>in quality. They only care about more, and this makes

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<v Speaker 1>them extremely poor. Arbiters of what good looks like. Inevitably,

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<v Speaker 1>this leads to products that suck as they become more

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<v Speaker 1>and more profitable, because the machine they've built is a

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<v Speaker 1>profit excavator dressed up as a god service. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate the whole we're the product thing. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was very cheesy, but we are literally the product.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the content creator that makes Google money while

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<v Speaker 1>also the thing that makes Google money by search and Google,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very annoying. Look. By allowing and encouraging search engine optimization,

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<v Speaker 1>Google has handed matches to fucking arsonists and pointed them

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<v Speaker 1>on the most flammable parts of the Internet. The existence

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<v Speaker 1>of SEO is inevitable. People are going to try and

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<v Speaker 1>game any system. But Google should never have encouraged these people.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have terrified them. They should have set clear

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<v Speaker 1>standards about what to do and what not to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and heavily punished those who failed to comply. Except doing

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<v Speaker 1>so would mean less content on Google, because there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>less articles that say things like what time is the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl or best televisions to buy. Google actually would

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<v Speaker 1>fully have the ability to make most of these problems

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<v Speaker 1>go away. They should treat SEO people like scam artists,

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<v Speaker 1>and they should run them out of town with pitchforks. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they pat him on the ass and they say, good job, buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd argue that the state of search makes Google and

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<v Speaker 1>by extension, executives like Sundhar Peshaian Google Search lead Prabhakar Ragavan,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the greatest villains in business history. Well, one

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<v Speaker 1>can't forget about the damage done by Meta and Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg's failure, outright failure to maintain any kind of quality

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<v Speaker 1>standards on Instagram and Facebook. Allowing Google Search to decay

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<v Speaker 1>so severely for any reason, let alone one that involves profits,

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<v Speaker 1>is actively damaging to society and was an entirely intentional

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<v Speaker 1>act perpetrated by people like Ragavan, the former head of

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<v Speaker 1>Google's Ads division, who took over search not long after

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<v Speaker 1>his predecessor was burdened by the bullshit demands of the

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<v Speaker 1>ads department, led by Ragavan himself. And I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into that in episode too, don't you worry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough though, for me to just say how bad

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<v Speaker 1>the web has got. It's not enough. The web is

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<v Speaker 1>too bad right now for me to just sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh it sucks. It's so bad. You all

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<v Speaker 1>know that. I hope I've helped you find out a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about it. But this phenomenon, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come out of nowhere, and it has a cause, and

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<v Speaker 1>that cause is the rise of managers and the managerial

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<v Speaker 1>class in tech. These assholes have largely supplanted the voices

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<v Speaker 1>of actual technologists, coders, engineers, people who work in software

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<v Speaker 1>and hardware, actual innovators, and replace them with this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of zero sum McKinsey s loser, and all they care

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<v Speaker 1>about is profit. All they care about is growth, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>growth that destroys profit, and they're actively hostile to workers

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<v Speaker 1>and consumers and the actual products they're making. In the

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<v Speaker 1>next two episodes, we're going to take a closer look

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<v Speaker 1>at these managers and how they're destroying innovation. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to start with the tale of Prabakar Ragavan, a

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<v Speaker 1>man who has spent his entire life failing up overseeing

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo during its period of terminal client jumping ship to

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<v Speaker 1>Google in twenty twelve. In twenty nineteen, Ragavan used this

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<v Speaker 1>political influence to push out the head of Search, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy called Ben Gomes. A hero, a hero who fought

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<v Speaker 1>to protect Search from a man trying to turn it

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<v Speaker 1>into a growth machine even when it was still very profitable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's really crazy. While far from our household name,

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<v Speaker 1>Ragavan is emblematic of every single thing I've written and

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<v Speaker 1>podcasted about. He personifies this horrifying decline and the short

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<v Speaker 1>term thinking that's destroying the products we use every day.

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<v Speaker 1>He and people like him are destroying companies that we

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<v Speaker 1>used to respect. And as I'll explain, Ragavan's influence times

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<v Speaker 1>exactly with the deterioration of Google Search as a product.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, we're going to look at the managerial class

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<v Speaker 1>more broadly and how some people, such as Instagram's Adamisari

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<v Speaker 1>and of course open Ai CEO Sam Altman, have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to disguise their true intent and ineptitude through the

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<v Speaker 1>clothing of innovation disruption. It's a facade, one that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>withstand even the slightest bit of scrutiny, and I can't

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