WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Tank Talks 'Hells Kitchen' On Broadway With Alicia Keys, R&B Awards, Jamie Foxx, Babyface, +More 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.400 Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.200 Everybody is the DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the God. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.920 We are the Breakfast Club Lawla Rosa Filing. And for Jess, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.160 we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.120 seemed like he's trying to take our job doing all 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:16.960 these interviews and stuff. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.119 Ladies and gentlemen, we have R and B sigat tag Tank. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.600 I'm not trying to take your job. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.960 Doing a phenomenal guess. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:30.240 I am just catering to my people, Okay. I'm making 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.519 sure that my community has a place to go, that 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.120 the conversation is bridged from the old to the news. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:37.680 I love it. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.479 You know what I love about the Army Money podcast. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.839 There's always so many hip hop podcasts, and you know, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.920 the rappers got a place to go. The O g 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.040 rappers got a place to go. R and B Money 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.040 has created that space for the R and B world. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.599 And now and now the you know, not too much disclosed, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:57.680 but now the R and B Music Awards. What you mean, 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.320 you guys have a dedicated hip hop don't you? Pop 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.440 has a dedicated award show, right, whereas the R and 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.400 B dedicated award show so that we can cover the 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.000 entire gambit of R and B. R and B is 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.319 so many things, it's so vast you can't cover it 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.920 in two to three categories at at at some award 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.520 show and think that that's going to do it all justice. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:21.600 I want to. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:29.120 Yet, as an R and B icon like you are, 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.880 what are the categories of R and B? Because all 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:31.600 we think is R and B. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.559 Well, I mean, let's let's let's do this right, let's 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:40.880 go let's go soul, right, let's go progressive. Do you 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.960 do ballots? Huh? Ballots? What do you mean? Ballots? Slow? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.240 I mean, what do you mean categories? Do you do 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.320 army ballots? No? I don't think you do ballots. But 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.800 I think you get into the songwriter aspect of it, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.280 the producer aspect of it, even the performance aspect of it. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.880 You know, all of these things are so different. Like 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:11.480 a Jill Scott is uh is way different from from 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.880 a Smer Walker, you know what I mean, It's way different. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.079 Calvin Richardson is way different from Chris Brown, you know 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.640 what I mean? And so how do we how do 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.160 we create these tiers and levels to where all of 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.040 all of the nuances of R and B can be recognized. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:32.720 Give me an example of progressive. Oh c B is progressive? Okay, completely, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.239 He's He's the current state of R and B. Me. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.560 You know what I mean. Even if we want to 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.760 say what what Drake and Party just did? You know 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.320 what I mean? That's very progressive, very progressive R and B. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.160 You know what I mean? If you want to say 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.840 what is more traditional, I'm more in the middle of 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.840 a traditional progressive R and B artist because I can 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.040 do a record with Chris Brown. But you know, I 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.120 can also do a record with God Rest their Stot 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:58.480 and Stone. See. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.840 I like traditional, and I said that. When the Party 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.520 and Drake album dropped, I was like, that. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:04.000 Ain't for me. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.480 And it was like, well, you know, it's for the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.040 ladies because the R and B, I'm like, no, God 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:07.560 like R and B. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.840 I just don't like that type of arm exactly exactly. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.920 There's a difference. And so we have not we have 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.600 not had the conversation about all of these things together. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.840 We just say best R and B album and then 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.239 you got you got Chris Brown in the same category 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.880 with Robert Glasberg. It's like, how do you do that? 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.040 We're not all just one thing. So when are you 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:33.760 doing this? Is it thought out to that where it's 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.360 going to happen. It's been, it's it's been great conversations, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.680 you know what I mean, Me and my brother Jay Valentine. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.240 We've actually had this conversation with Jessic Collins and so 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.600 you know, all of this. What I'm doing right now 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:49.240 is just kind of creating the anticipation and the desire 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.839 and hopefully there's enough comments will come and people will 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.680 see the value, because that's where it starts. People have 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.920 to see the value in what we do in order 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.240 to create this next level platform would only. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.880 Black effect and I heart out the conversation, you know, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:05.240 to put together a good award. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.200 Show, Well, what do you want to do? 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.560 I want to help with the Harvey Money Award show. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:09.960 That'd be fantastic. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.040 There you go done. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.760 Announce the categories and nominations. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:22.279 Absolutely, Like we need a we need a Babyface Award, right, award, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:27.280 which is the songwriter and Producer. Right. You need a 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.120 Michael Jackson, right, there's one. They need a Michael Jackson 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:36.520 Award Ultimate Performance, Right. We need a Smokey Robinson Award, 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.440 which is just the writer. Right, we need a Uh 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.200 I can't take I can't. I can't take writer out 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.560 of Jimmy Jametary Lewis because they write it too. But right, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.840 you need a standalone producer award. Right, all of these 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.880 things are so different and we don't get an opportunity 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.400 to highlight them. But all of these awards need names 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.240 from our legends. You know what I'm saying. The R 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.919 and B Label Award, the Motown Award, where who's who's 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.200 the dedicated R and B label? That's R and B money, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.400 That's what we're doing, right. So it's all of these 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.240 things that we need to now highlight now that R 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.040 and B has happening, this big, big conversation, right. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.159 I want to know how is it for you, right 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.040 knowing all these R and B stories, Right, And I'm 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.880 watching your podcast and I know you know the answers, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.960 but some of these times it hasn't been put out 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.120 there and you're just feeding the person, right, Like I 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.960 look at Stephen Hill, but the Chris Brown situation, Yeah, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.520 you're leading him because you knew what happened, but making 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.239 him explain the story was amazing. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.400 I didn't know what happened, really, I didn't even know 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.279 he was part of it. I knew from Chris's side 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.560 that they had they had they got him all the 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.760 way to the point of where it was about to happen, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.920 it was about to happen, and then pulled the rug 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.880 out from under him. I didn't know the intimate details 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.400 and who all was involved. And hearing Steve like Steven 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.480 is like, you know, he loves he loves that, he 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.640 loves that. He felt like he was getting ready to 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.520 create one of the most iconic moments of all times, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.600 and he worked for that rehearsal Jesus. He was. He was, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.200 and it hurt him that now he you know, has 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:18.400 to go back and tell c B that it's not happened, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.800 you know what I mean? Like that, that crushed him 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.160 more than anything. And he was like, man, if you 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:23.680 could ever talk to him, just let him know I 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.719 love him, I want you know, I wanted that for him. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.800 I just they pulled it from me. Nothing I could do. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.000 I was going to ask that you put them on 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.000 the phone after that, because he said in your interview 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.840 that they hadn't he hadn't gotten well. He wanted to 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.680 see him in person to apologize and stuff. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.160 Like that. So no we didn't. We didn't get a 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.280 chance to make that happen, okay, but but I'd love 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.280 to make that happen for him. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.279 Another one of my favorite R and B Money podcasts 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:44.520 recently was the l A Red. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:46.599 Like. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.320 He really sparked a real conversation and it just had 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.799 me thinking about, Yes, you need, you need Black Boutique 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.480 everything you need that. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.120 We need to be able to operate the way we operate. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.280 Just let us do what we do. Like even with 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.720 what you guys do. You guys do what you do, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.920 which is why it is what it is. There's nobody 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.800 micromanaging or policing you. You get your paycheck, whatever that is. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.440 But it's because of how you do your thing. Nobody's 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.760 interrupting that, which is why it's what how many years 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.480 in the making, Jesus Christ, Imagine if you had no 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.720 control of that, you know what I mean. Imagine imagine 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:31.760 you being subject to somebody else's ideas, somebody else's and 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.520 then you lose with that. That hurts worse than anything 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.240 I lost listening to you. No, Noah, I'm gonna go 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.440 down with me. I'm gonna go down with me. And 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.600 that's what we've lost, We've lost the people that have 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.880 done it from here. I just believe, Like think about 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:56.080 DeAngelo's untitled. If somebody just doesn't say, ah, I just 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.960 feel like this is different, they never get to the 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:04.480 third single, which is a life changing record. Don't have that. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.360 No more analytics say we're losing here, We're that, We're 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.400 gonna move on right? Well? How does the Feel? Wasn't 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:10.920 the third single? 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.280 Was it? 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.040 How did it Feel? Was the third single? 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.760 The butt Naked Video was the third single. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.960 Wow, I did not know that. How do we not 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:26.520 get to That's gonna be the greatest songs of all time? Wow? 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.360 You know what I mean? Genuine so anxious. If Joe 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.600 Moore didn't say we gotta get to this month, we 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.760 gotta get to this one, this one right here is 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.560 gonna change it. Trust me. Maybe I Deserve was my 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.200 second single. If we were just going off for first singles, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.959 I'm not gonna name the first song I had out 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.560 that I was dancing and shipping, flipping and blowing up Chris. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.720 Yeah, we'll take for a se I remember, because I remember. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.640 Maybe I Deserve shouldn't have brought that up when you 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:53.960 said it. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.160 I just heard the song. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:03.960 Yeah maybe Wait. My first single was called Freaking, and 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.960 it almost destroyed my career before it started. The label 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.280 picked it, but I was very excited about it as well. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.560 When I googled it and said the song many have missed. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.080 His actually first single Freaky, which came out first, and 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.440 it's pretty much become obscure. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:25.840 Today I was performing the song. I was on promo 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.640 tour Fort Valley State homecoming and I'm you know, I'm 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.199 coming out. I got my freaky interlude. You know, they 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.480 want to get freaky, and then the song starts and like, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.000 right in the middle of the first hook, these two 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.360 little cute girls in the first row was like wack. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.959 I was like and this was in the dat tape era, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:53.840 so I couldn't stop it, damn, And I sweated the 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.480 rest of the song and I never sang that song again. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.520 I said, don't put on the album, erase it, get 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.800 rid of this song, and we did a hard turn 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.760 cut the single Winter Maybe I Deserve Thank God. Wow, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.040 rest is history. Rest is history. Yo. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.920 That's very interesting because I don't know whether I think 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.240 it's the labels not doing their jobs, like you know, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.199 I don't think they give they don't care about. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.079 The music like they used to. I don't think labels 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:20.720 care about music. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.040 Like what was your first budget for your first album? 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.120 Like it was a thing to be to get signed 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:26.880 to a record deal. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.839 I'll tell you like this, there was a budget. There 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.800 was a number in in the contract. But again I'm boutique. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.960 So they're like, well, let's just keep going till we 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.199 get it because we can't lose. Like, you know, at 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.600 that time, in terms of earners, you know, it was 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.120 Aliah rest Soul. She was, she was, she was making 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.040 the bank for all of us, right in order for 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.520 us to have budgets, Aliah was, she was funding us. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.679 So you know, we were in a position where we 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.760 couldn't lose. So Verry, you know, Barry, we was gonna 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.080 let me lose. Nah, let's go to the next one. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.520 Let's spend I spent four hundred thousand on my first 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.760 four or five hundred thousand my first video. Then I 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.800 spent another seven hundred on the next one. Like this 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.480 is what was happening. We blew up an actual building, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.120 Like we're running out of building, and slowly the building 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.800 blew up behind us. We had to dive onto a mattress, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.800 don't turn your phones on because you might kill the artists. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.920 That that's what's missing. But you see the difference in 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.000 between the people that are still doing that. You still 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.640 see Chris Brown spending real money to make real videos, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.880 still see Ponce spending real money to make real videos. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.200 You still see Drake spending real money to make real videos. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.000 That's the difference. It's why they're in arenas, that's why 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.440 they're in stadiums, all of these things. So we just 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:56.839 need that level of belief and that level of investment 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.280 in order to get it back to where it's supposed 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.679 to be. Like, look at movies. How much money spent 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.640 on promo? Yeah, put it on TV. They put it, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.640 they're they're doing it, and before other movies are coming on, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.760 they're out on the streets on the buses. Like we've 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.400 lost all of that, but they still want the same result. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:16.560 That's not how that works. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.520 Absolutely, you're so right. I mean, I'm learning that through 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.560 just dibbling, dimbling, dibbling and dabbling in the movie world. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.520 But you're right. It's like, Yo, if they'll. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.000 Spend money to promote a film, these labels will just 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.040 be like put it online. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.720 Literally, you can't tell a movie. You can't tell the 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.480 good to the people that are putting out the Wolverine. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:42.160 You know what I'm saying. Just we're gonna just use 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.520 our socials and we're gonna use our socials and hopefully 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:51.599 go viral and and see what happens. We're trying to 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.800 guarantee ourselves a return, right, low visibility. Low visibility is 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.800 going to get you low results, just is what it is. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.760 Does that have a change though? Again, we got to 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.960 get back to this boutique space where you know, where 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.880 a lot of the budgets and the freedom to do 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.400 it the way we know how to do it. We 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.760 come from the street Team era. We come from passing 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:19.240 out ten thousand flyers. You know what I'm saying, Bus stops, buses, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.520 you know what I mean. Commercials. We used to run 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:28.319 commercials on be et, actual commercials. Where's all that it's gone, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.000 But you still want the same results. There are outliers 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.800 with those things can happen. But R and B is 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.920 not a it's a it's not completely a viral genre. Now, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.800 the residuals challenge, I mean, you know that's a thing, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.760 but that's just fun. It starts out fun, but then 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:55.320 you then you tap into what's really out there, right, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.560 And so now what we're able to see is, oh shit, 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.200 look at how many R and B singers, songwriters and 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.880 producers are just waiting in the wings for an opportunity 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.679 that are really, really dope. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.360 Did you feel any guilt enjoying R Kelly's residual it? 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:17.240 I feel guilt in enjoying it. I mean, everybody knows 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.960 knows me, knows that I've always been an R. Kelly fan. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.600 They know I've always you know, I was as I 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.680 was raised in trying to be R and B coming 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.080 out of my gospel space, babyface R Kelly, Brian Knight, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.920 like those were my study guys. So no, I didn't. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.600 I didn't feel away enjoying it. I couldn't. He's talented. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.320 I couldn't. I couldn't grab it him posted on a page. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.600 I couldn't do that, you know what I mean. I 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.400 gotta I got Hell's Kitchen to promote, you know what 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.160 I mean? And and and I think it's tough because 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.080 you know, a lot of people have been in my 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.640 comments saying why you ain't post R Kelly thing? And 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.200 I'm like, I'm like, guys, why do I have to 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.120 insert myself into that back and forth? You know? You 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:04.680 know what I thought? 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.040 You know, listening to R. Kelly, he still sounds good 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.920 of shit right, he can still write. I wonder why 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.680 and I don't even know if he could, why people 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.760 wouldn't tap into his writing behind the balls because he 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.400 can still write amazingly and I'm sure he could put 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:17.520 still put numbers on the board. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.240 You don't have to say it's R. Kelly. I wonder 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.240 why that wasn't a thing? Why people don't go to 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:28.120 him for that same reason why you know, the younger 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:33.160 cats don't go to Babyface, same reason why the younger 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.640 cats don't go to Jimmy Jeanme, Terry Lewis, same reason 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.120 why I can go on and on why we have 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.600 a thing with us where if it just seems or 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.280 sounds old, we don't tap into it. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.000 You think that will R Kelly though he. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:52.760 Didn't sound old on it. He's an older artist. He's 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.360 done it, he's had his time. And to us, the 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.640 fad chasers, our culture that what's next or what's now 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.840 culture is what we are. We don't maintain a tradition 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:14.600 like like there's no way that new edition or any 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.480 of our elder statesmen shouldn't have sold out. Arenotaurs easily 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.960 Rolling Stones can come back anytime they feel like it. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.560 Do what sold out to a queen? Anytime they feel 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.120 like it sold out to Paul McCartney can say I'm 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.880 going out, sold out, sold out. We are the only 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.720 people that separate ourselves from our foundational and our traditional 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:42.840 moments and cast it away like it's old, it's no 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.840 and and that's us. That's what we So when you 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.360 say why not like me, I'm like, I gotta get 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.840 a Babyface came to the opening my opening on Hell's Kitchen, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.600 and as I'm looking at it, I'm like, Babyface really 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.480 pulled up to my opening. I got one of the 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:06.680 greatest singer songwriter producers of all times sitting right here 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.359 is a friend of mine and I don't have a 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:14.400 record from him. That can't happen again. I can't know him, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:15.440 and that not happened. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.240 And I don't understand why you look at I want 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:18.720 to say something. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.560 That's why you got to give people credit like Scissa people, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.560 baby Face produced news. You see how big snooze is 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.920 when you get an o G like that who gets 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.280 with a super talented young and you see what can 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:29.640 come about. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.159 I think that the artist because Scissa is like, like, 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.639 I'm not surprised that she understands and her like you 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.360 know what I mean, Like there's wasn't. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.359 On purpose either, So there's that because we're in the 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.000 room making something and she heard and you know there 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.560 was a it was a thing where it just people 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.800 in the right place here. Okay. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.399 I think sometimes too, it's about like who the artist is, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.159 because there are some artists who like understand you know 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.080 what I mean, like baby facing and like the moment 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.639 you had that are younger. But then other artists are 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.880 chasing the producers that are making things that go viral 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.960 on the tiktoks or the reels are created to because 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.440 their labels back to you saying that they're not doing 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.800 their jobs. Their jobs have shifted where that's all you're 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.680 looking at. So if you don't have those metrics, you're 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.920 not doing your job. But you might be the artist 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.320 A it's like your baby face needs to be in 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:17.200 this studio. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.040 There's no reason why I don't have songs with babyface. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:20.760 It's the true. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.480 And I was saying like, if you look at Quincy Jones, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.399 what age was Quincy Jones when he was doing all 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.960 that stuff with Michael he was yeah, yeah, that's my point. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.719 Maybe the greatest album of all time. He was fifty. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.560 We produced Thriller. It was fifty. Imagine the information he 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:39.080 was able to impart to Michael Jackson because everything that 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.439 he had done and everything that he had seen. You 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.679 know what I'm saying, Like, Michael, this is great. But 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.000 if we just take this two moments and just move 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.000 these things right over here, you trust me, you're gonna 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:53.240 love it. Like when you talked about the intro, we 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.080 can't kill that, Michael, That's that's the call out. Michael 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.920 wanted to kill it. What do we do better than that? 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.400 As soon as they come up with ship, that's Quincy Jones. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.120 And so in my mind, I'm looking at baby face 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.480 like my Quincy Jones. How do I how do I 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.080 not tap into that? How do I not ensure this 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.880 level of greatness somehow pours over into what I'm doing. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.960 I would have loved it here, Quincy. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.920 I have heard Quincy on R and B Money podcast man. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.960 By the way, but man, it's that information that that 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.600 that we need that needs to continue to pass down 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.679 and that's our job. We're the bridge. We want to 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.680 be the bridge. Like we we tell all the young 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.720 cats all the time, Hey, we were rocking with you. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:42.920 Whatever you need from us, And then we tell the 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.320 older cats like we when we had Smokey Robinson, we 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.320 was like, you know, we're coming to your house. We're 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:53.480 coming over. We want to talk to you like you 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:59.600 did it, like you talk about building something, build an 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:09.240 entire your uh uh franchise on his back writing and produced. Yeah, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.520 so we got the R and B Awards, which Charlemagne 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:18.520 and I Heart have committed to. Now we're going somewhere. 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.080 So what did you What were your thoughts when you've 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.280 seen how I will say he was disrespected at the 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.040 award show when he. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:27.480 Was doing an interview and they was like, okay, this 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.359 is this next baby news. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.760 Moment, oh with with baby face babyface when he was 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:33.840 on the carpet. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.760 You know, I definitely thought it was I thought it 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.640 was disrespectful, but I don't think it was consciously disrespectful. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.440 I think that no one's teaching people how to do 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.680 things anymore. They're just throwing them out there, right Because 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:57.040 if you're on that red carpet there. You have to 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.919 know who right, did who's well who? You have to 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.600 know who people are right in this music in this 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.800 music business. Right. But then two, you also know how 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.399 I have to know how to conduct yourself right. This 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:12.960 is these are the things you do, these are the 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.600 things you don't do. And that was just a thing 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.480