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Speaker 1: Martin O'Malley, the former administrator of the Social Security Administration,

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Speaker 1: former Maryland governor, is making a run for share of

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Speaker 2: Great to see you. Thanks great to be to break

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Speaker 2: your message to us here.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to strike a tone of optimism and what

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Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats see is a dark time.

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Speaker 2: How do you do it well?

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Speaker 3: I have been talking to so many people all across

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Speaker 3: that we can win elections, because when we lose, everybody loses.

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Speaker 3: So these are the conversations I've been having. And we

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Speaker 3: have to do two things at the same time. We

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Speaker 3: have to rebuild our party and we have to reconnect

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Speaker 3: higher cost of living. That's what we need to do.

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Speaker 3: That's always been the core of our party since FDR.

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Speaker 3: It's really acknowledging that the most important place in America

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Speaker 3: untethered from that at the national level. But our politics

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Speaker 3: is not the politics of fear. Our politics is the

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Speaker 3: politics of hope, of making sure that working people can

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Speaker 3: issues that we have to get back to when we

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Speaker 3: do we win. Let me give you a few examples.

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Speaker 3: Since we're doing and thank you for calling it. What

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Speaker 3: did you call it? The This is not a post mortem.

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Speaker 3: We are not dead.

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Speaker 4: We are going to call estion analysis post election analysis,

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Speaker 4: the after action.

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Speaker 3: Our candidates left it all out on the field, and

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Speaker 3: in some places we were successful. You know, I was

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Speaker 3: We lost that state by two points. But at the

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Speaker 4: So it sounds like what you're talking about might just

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Speaker 4: be populism, if I could generalize. It's something that Donald

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Speaker 3: You know what I would call it. I would call

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Speaker 4: And what's the difference between those descriptions?

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Speaker 3: And when we have an economy that works for all

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Speaker 3: I guess the difference is this. As a Democrat and

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Speaker 3: When our country worked very very well and was the

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Speaker 2: But we came away from that over.

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Speaker 3: The last forty years, and now I hear the incoming

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Speaker 3: If we don't deliver the goods of the republic that

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Speaker 1: We heard from so many voters during the campaign who

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Speaker 2: So Democrats had veered.

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Speaker 2: The other guy. And I said, hell, no, we're not

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Speaker 3: And interestingly, you know, in a state like Missouri, get

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Speaker 3: So we have to be the party that makes life

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Speaker 4: A party well, and the party is comprised of all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, our party is a party that has an enormous

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Speaker 3: I mean, how sad is it? And what does it

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Speaker 3: Well, we will see. I don't believe that's true. I

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Speaker 1: Voters who are not experiencing tremendous success. You talk about

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Speaker 3: We have to not allow ourselves to become juked, distracted

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Speaker 4: which obviously are intimately familiar with, and Medicare, defense is

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Speaker 4: hard to touch as well. And I just wonder, no

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Speaker 4: matter what party is in charge in the years to come,

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Speaker 4: if you see a way in which the country can

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Speaker 4: find itself on a more sustainable path.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the things that's happened in our

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Speaker 3: country for the last I mean thirty years or more,

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Speaker 3: has been a great reduction in the amount of income

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Speaker 3: tax that our highest earners pay, or to merely return.

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Speaker 2: To a level that was.

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Speaker 3: What we had as a nation during the first term

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Speaker 3: of Ronald Reagan. I mean, a lot of those things

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Speaker 3: would start to be addressed, and would be addressed over time.

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Speaker 3: Let me say, as before I talk about Social Security,

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Speaker 3: that I am here in my personal capacity. I am

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Speaker 3: not here in my capacity as Commissioner of Social Security. However,

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Speaker 3: I do know enough about that math to be able

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Speaker 3: to tell you social Security does not contribute to the

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Speaker 3: national debt. It is a pay as you go system,

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Speaker 3: which means that as Americans pay into Social Security, those

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Speaker 3: of us that are still working age, we pay out

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Speaker 3: the benefits like an insurance company.

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Speaker 2: So last year one point.

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Speaker 3: Three to five trillion came in from people working one

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Speaker 3: point three to seven trillion went out to people who

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Speaker 3: surplus reserve that was built up to cover this era

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Speaker 3: of the baby boomers. That reserve is running out sooner.

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Speaker 3: That surplus reserve is running out sooner than anticipated. And

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Speaker 3: the reason is of income inequality. In other words, in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two, they thought they were setting a level

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Speaker 3: the hands of the top six percent.

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Speaker 2: That also reduced the bracket, if you will.

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Speaker 3: So they on it only applied to eighty percent of

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Speaker 3: income in America. So a simple solution to that is

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Speaker 3: to ask people who make more to start contributing. Again,

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Speaker 3: there's no cap on what people contribute to Medicare, and

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Speaker 3: social Security is off. I mean, it doesn't contribute a

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Speaker 3: dime to the national debt. It is a self sustaining program.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that this new crab can't break it.

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Speaker 3: If they want to break it, they can break. But

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Speaker 3: that's not what eighty percent of Americans want. They want

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Speaker 3: social Security expanded and strengthened so that it's there not

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Speaker 3: only in their lifetimes, for their kids and their grandkids,

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Speaker 3: which is also the same hopes and dreams they have

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Speaker 4: All right, sir, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Martin Andmalley of course no Social Security very well, but

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Speaker 4: he is also running to be the next chair of

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Speaker 4: the DNC. Appreciate you joining us here in our Washington,

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Speaker 4: d C studio