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Speaker 1: going College Football Jam Round two plus Yeah thirty three
Speaker 1: teams actually on the Tuesday show because we had a
Speaker 1: weird numbering issue and had to add in Georgia. After
Speaker 1: the fact, Georgia thankfully made it through with Matt Stafford
Speaker 1: and AJ Green. We're now down to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1: So I think if time permits, and we should have
Speaker 1: enough time, we can go through each of these matchups,
Speaker 1: we can select our winners, and we can eventually get
Speaker 1: to some conclusion where we're determining the best college football
Speaker 1: dynamic duo at associated positions in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be more specific, it's not necessarily the
Speaker 2: best I want to be as somebody who completely invented
Speaker 2: this out of thin air. It is the person who
Speaker 2: arouses your college football senses the most. Percy Harvin probably
Speaker 2: not the best college football player of all time. All
Speaker 2: go as far as saying he's not the best college
Speaker 2: football player of all time, No, but what he's able
Speaker 2: to do in the open field, or what he was
Speaker 2: able to do in the open field at Florida is
Speaker 2: something that's indescribable that maybe a crazy efficient quarterback like
Speaker 2: I would say that Percy Harvin would advance over Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, with Yeah, there's we're sort of gauging electricity and
Speaker 2: pants tightening is with the phrase I used the other day.
Speaker 2: So there is. It's that electricity quotient. And now that
Speaker 2: could be large dudes up the middle, that could be
Speaker 2: you know, anything. Positionwise, they're associated positions. So like somebody
Speaker 2: asked us about von Miller and Miles Garrett and we said, well,
Speaker 2: sort of an outside linebacker and defensive vent edge players.
Speaker 2: We want like a Stockton Malone. We wanted that, you know,
Speaker 2: Peyton Kemp element of NBA jam where you have two
Speaker 2: players who compliment each other but don't play the exact
Speaker 2: same position, because that, to me, was the way you
Speaker 2: played that game and approached strategizing which team you would select. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so pants, that's the explanation pants tightening. It's a very
Speaker 2: scientific measure that we're going with here.
Speaker 1: We're going to play this. I think by ear because
Speaker 1: I used I think both of my overrides okay last
Speaker 1: time around, and you may have used one. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but either way, you have one override that I do
Speaker 1: not have. We also, as you said, can make up
Speaker 1: rules as we go.
Speaker 2: You know, it's our cones of dun sure. Yeah, if we.
Speaker 1: Want to swap anybody out, we can. We can do that.
Speaker 1: So why don't we start here at the very top.
Speaker 1: It's a classic, shall we say, Rose Bowl potential matchup
Speaker 1: between your Organ Ducks and the Wisconsin Badgers, Dan Badgers.
Speaker 2: They've they've literally played, you know, I was both twenty
Speaker 2: eleven with Russell Wilson and Anthony Thomas involved. So we
Speaker 2: have Marcus Mariota and d Anthony Thomas taking on Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson and Melvin Gordon. Just in terms of pure electricity,
Speaker 2: pure you know, making you sweat, making your you know,
Speaker 2: heartbeat is tho is the word I'm looking for, palpitations.
Speaker 2: I think this is an easy decision. I think this
Speaker 2: is Mariot and de Anthony.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be Marcus and de Anthony.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For as good as Russell Wilson was, and for as
Speaker 1: much fun as we had with Melgre love Melgre, I agree,
Speaker 1: Mary was sensational, sensational. Mariota and Thomas though, that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to beat in my view. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, Mariota had four years of memories for you Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, now three years, three years of starting memories,
Speaker 2: so you know, we just didn't have that with Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson and Wisconsin. So I mean, I think the advantage
Speaker 2: in terms of big playmaking goes to Oregon, and so
Speaker 2: that's the direction I think we should do.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of debate over I think I
Speaker 1: may have even used an override to get Wisconsin through
Speaker 1: over Baylor. Insane with RG three and Kendall Wright. Would
Speaker 1: you have gone RG three and Kendall Right over Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota and d Anthony Thomas?
Speaker 2: Probably not. You have two Heisman winning quarterbacks who were
Speaker 2: dual threats. Obviously RG three a little bit faster, the
Speaker 2: top end speed is there. D' Anthony Thomas's versatility takes
Speaker 2: me over Kendall Right with his ability in the return
Speaker 2: game and as a receiver he played a position called
Speaker 2: the taser, the tad az R and sort of his
Speaker 2: slot back position. He would line up all over the field. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Z receiver. So I would not have taken Baylor
Speaker 2: over Oregon. But that's what is that? A Lake seastrunk
Speaker 2: match up. I'm trying to find the connective tissue something
Speaker 2: like that. But no, I go Oregon. There as a Homer.
Speaker 1: This next one is unfair. It's unfair these two are
Speaker 1: going to be matched up against each other. But look,
Speaker 1: it was probably gonna happen sooner or later. Anyway, We've
Speaker 1: got USC with our dynamic duo of Matt Liner and
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush squaring off against Texas A and m Johnny
Speaker 1: Manzel and Mike Evans. We're going to lose sleep over
Speaker 1: this matchup. I feel like I could lose.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that difficult because you're comparing two
Speaker 2: electric players to one. Now. The one in Reggie Bush
Speaker 2: is amazing, But I don't know if you've ever seen
Speaker 2: Matt Liner run.
Speaker 1: I've seen Matt Liner run.
Speaker 2: He runs like and not that that's the responsibility a quarterback,
Speaker 2: but with electricity, we need some athleticism. We need something
Speaker 2: in terms of like physical ability. And he read a defense,
Speaker 2: didn't have a big arm and was just crazy successful
Speaker 2: at USC. But Matt Liner kind of runs like a
Speaker 2: monkey stole his wallet in Cambodia. He's just making every
Speaker 2: attempt in his tourist clothes to run after something and
Speaker 2: it's not going to work out. So I think I'm
Speaker 2: going JFF and Mike.
Speaker 1: But is there not any kind of nostalgia value to
Speaker 1: the Bush era of USC football. I mean you didn't
Speaker 1: even want to put linerd in here. You wanted Carson Palmer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Carson Palmer has the physical capability. His
Speaker 2: arm was just enormous. If you were starting a football
Speaker 2: team in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: would there be any question to you whether you'd run
Speaker 2: Matt Liner, Reggie Bush, and or Johnny Manzil Mike evans.
Speaker 1: Man. It's tough not to go. Reggie Bush. It's tough
Speaker 1: not to go. I hear you clearly. For you, the
Speaker 1: pants tightening is coming via physical tools.
Speaker 2: If this were a literal video game, who would be
Speaker 2: more fun to play with? Is that what you want
Speaker 2: to do? Who would you rather? You know, after eating
Speaker 2: your Tomorrow and your orange Julius in the mall, do
Speaker 2: you understand those reference? I? Okay, and you sidle up
Speaker 2: into the Golden Nugget Arcade whatever it's called that your
Speaker 2: local mall? What was your local mall called? Growing up?
Speaker 1: We have? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you selecting Matt Liner and Reggie Bush knowing you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to like buy time and throw the ball
Speaker 2: downfield and like an NFL blitz style game. I know
Speaker 2: that was more players than just two, but are you
Speaker 2: going to select Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: If we are using NBA JAM as our go by.
Speaker 2: Here whatever college football dunk is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there there is a Muggsy Bogues quality to Matt
Speaker 1: Liner in that he was very limited, sure, very limited
Speaker 1: in the game. Fun to play with, but limited in
Speaker 1: the game. Reggie Bush, though, Reggie Bush is just you're
Speaker 1: picking this team because of him, explicitly.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: With that, With that being said, now yeah again, NBA
Speaker 1: JAM is the go by. Manzell is very versatile and
Speaker 1: fun as hell, and Mike Evans was just a freak records.
Speaker 1: So I mean it comes down to what are we
Speaker 1: using as that pants tightening variable? For you, it seems
Speaker 1: to be the physical tools you're you're all about that.
Speaker 1: For me, Look, maybe I'm an old school romantic. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but the nostalgia, man, the nostalgia of Liner
Speaker 1: and Bush, to me, I still think rules out here.
Speaker 2: You think, no, absolutely, Matt Liner. It's like a video
Speaker 2: game out there.
Speaker 1: No, no one's ever said that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not this game after not to.
Speaker 1: Find what leads to the pants tightening. So for me, their.
Speaker 2: Physical physical attraction to their abilities.
Speaker 1: For you, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: There's a nostalgia factor here.
Speaker 2: I'm over writing going Jff and Evans. I mean it's
Speaker 2: just a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I'm fine at that selection. I mean, okay, I said
Speaker 1: going in this is going to be impossibly difficult.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine any like who would Matt Liner be
Speaker 2: if he were a street fighter character?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I couldn't make cases for most of these guys. You
Speaker 2: have a big arm, you're sort of a huge defensive
Speaker 2: tackle like. There's analogs there.
Speaker 1: But you need to define what the measure is here
Speaker 1: for who's making it through and who isn't? Is it
Speaker 1: the pants tightening thing? And if so, what about the
Speaker 1: pants tightening? Are we allowed to pick otherwise? Is it
Speaker 1: a video game thing? Who would you like to play.
Speaker 2: In a video game?
Speaker 1: You need to pick here, Dan, this is your game.
Speaker 1: You need to tell me what the rules of the
Speaker 1: road are here when.
Speaker 2: You play a video game? Is there an ability bar
Speaker 2: for nostalgia? Generally?
Speaker 1: You did not define this game.
Speaker 2: It is whatever we wanted to did. It's an electricity,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush is the most electric player in the last
Speaker 1: twenty five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could even have a more nuanced conversation if
Speaker 2: it we're like Sam Darnold and Reggie Bush. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: no respect for a liner is an electric video game
Speaker 2: esque player.
Speaker 1: All right, fine, fine, have it your way, use your overhead.
Speaker 2: I know you got destroyed by him on fourth down.
Speaker 2: I didn't in South Bend.
Speaker 1: I really did, no personally. Yeah, okay, fair enough that
Speaker 1: that's a good override. Dan amazing quarterback, probably better than
Speaker 1: my Wisconsin override. But well, you know, I applaud you
Speaker 1: for using it smartly. Florida with Tim Tebow and Percy
Speaker 1: Harvin or Texas and Vince Young Jamal Charles. So look,
Speaker 1: if we are going to follow the same logic as
Speaker 1: that previous matchup, this should be a clear winner in
Speaker 1: the t Bow and Harvin direction, shouldn't it?
Speaker 2: Not? Necessarily? I would argue that Vince Young is a
Speaker 2: lot more athletic and electric a player than Matt Lioner.
Speaker 1: Sure, but what about Jamal Charles?
Speaker 2: Amazing and I'm very good running back for Texas. Amazing,
Speaker 2: amazing running back.
Speaker 1: But I feel like you've got two stand out electric
Speaker 1: players on the Florida side. And sure, Jamal Charles is
Speaker 1: really good. All these guys are really good. But the
Speaker 1: standout on the Texas side is Vince Young.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this whole game is subjective. Vince Young
Speaker 2: physically is in a class with very few other players
Speaker 2: at quarterback or with the ball in his hands to
Speaker 2: be able to move that quickly with the ball and
Speaker 2: play that most important position. Tim Tebow really strong runner,
Speaker 2: obviously strong power runner between the tackles. Vince Young, I
Speaker 2: would say, had a bigger performance on the biggest stage.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a take of any kind, more
Speaker 2: so than what Tim Tebow is able to do on
Speaker 2: that same stage. Percy Harvin a more electric player than
Speaker 2: Jamal Charles, a more versatile player with what he did
Speaker 2: in the return game. It's a receiver taking sweeps out
Speaker 2: of the backfield. This is tough because Vince Young has
Speaker 2: the highest ceiling I think of any of these players. Yes,
Speaker 2: and you could make that case for Reggie Bush as
Speaker 2: well in the previous matchup. I understand if I were
Speaker 2: playing college football jam the video game with the Golden Nugget,
Speaker 2: who would I be more likely to play with? I
Speaker 2: think it's Florida.
Speaker 1: It's got to be Florida, right.
Speaker 2: I think Harvin is like, it's just a subjective thing.
Speaker 2: When you have that much speed, that can do that much,
Speaker 2: I think I'm going t Bow and Harvin. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's so difficult for me.
Speaker 1: I think I agree. I think I think I got
Speaker 1: to agree with you here. Dan. You know, we talk
Speaker 1: about Vince Young as a generational player, but Tebow's up there,
Speaker 1: of course, is one of the greatest quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: history of college football. Maybe not guite Heisman as a
Speaker 1: sophomore basically imposing as as view why, but nonetheless just
Speaker 1: an incredible body of work. Got to be t Bow
Speaker 1: and Harvin gotta be.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Jamal Charles was pretty good out of
Speaker 2: the backfield, but it was like, you know, one hundred
Speaker 2: and some odd yards a season, whereas Percy Harvin just
Speaker 2: all over the place everywhere. So I get it. I mean,
Speaker 2: Jamal Charles went for eighteen hundred yards from scrimmage his
Speaker 2: final season two thousand and seven for Texas.
Speaker 1: Not bad, No, not bout it all. Okay, this next
Speaker 1: matchup I think has potential to be very interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: We've got for Florida Jamis Winston and Dalvin Cook. Uh
Speaker 1: huh Florida State. Excuse me, for Tennessee, we've got Albert Haynesworth.
Speaker 1: Derek Barnett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another personal preference. So you have ball movement
Speaker 2: versus ball destruction. Right, So Dalvin Cook fantastic with the ball.
Speaker 2: An all time running back for Florida State, Jamis Winston,
Speaker 2: of course, highlighted by his twenty thirteen an all time
Speaker 2: successful quarterback, not necessarily a big time athlete, but just
Speaker 2: pinpoint at quarterback for Florida State, and just let an
Speaker 2: all time attack Albert Haynesworth Derek Barnett.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: Interesting because we've got two defenders against two incredible offensive talents.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's the magnitude of their ability to control
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct? Man?
Speaker 2: How many? How many teams have had noses or defensive
Speaker 2: tackles like Albert Haynesworth? Many Since that happened, We've had
Speaker 2: a lot of really strong quarterbacks and it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be a unique quotient to it. It's just what
Speaker 2: they were able to do themselves in the game. We've
Speaker 2: had a lot of great pass rushers like Derek Barnett,
Speaker 2: but a lot of good you know, all purpose running
Speaker 2: backs like Dalvin Cook, oh Man, in terms of pure
Speaker 2: video game, who you'd want to play with.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dalvin Cook should not be overlooked here, Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook had touchdowns so freaking good. In each of
Speaker 1: his last two seasons as Florida State running back. Came
Speaker 1: really close to seventeen hundred yards and twenty fifteen went
Speaker 1: over seventeen hundred yards. In twenty sixteen, did a lot
Speaker 1: more from scrimmage in the passing game. His final year
Speaker 1: at Florida State finished with something like I think it
Speaker 1: was close to twenty three hundred yards.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jamison and Dalvin Jamison, Jamis and Dalvin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I guess what happens when you put their names together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm gonna do. I mean, just that twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen season was just Jamis was unstoppable that year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was his red shirt freshman freshman ye opener. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when he started out like twenty four of twenty five
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Unstoppable to throw and complete sixty seven percent of your
Speaker 1: passes for over four thousand yards and forty touchdowns as
Speaker 1: a freshman. Mm hmm is quite the accomplishment, stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this wasn't even necessarily like a pass happy system
Speaker 1: like it was a pretty balanced offense at the time
Speaker 1: where they could do a bunch of different things, and
Speaker 1: Jamis was just a clear standout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going Jamis there, Jamis.
Speaker 1: It is next Notre Dame with Mike McGlinchey and Quintin
Speaker 1: Nelson squaring off against Miami Ed Reid an Entrell Role.
Speaker 2: Ah Man, these are two of my favorite football players
Speaker 2: of all time, in Quentin Nelson and Ed Reid. I'm
Speaker 2: going to go Miami because if you're talking purely about
Speaker 2: video game, you're talking about an emotion that comes with
Speaker 2: the character you're playing with. And I get more of
Speaker 2: an emotion from Ed Reid and Antrell role, who played
Speaker 2: all over the field, But I mean ed Reid was
Speaker 2: a pure safety andrel role played good amount of corner.
Speaker 2: I like Mike mcglinchy a good deal, but I don't
Speaker 2: think he pops in the way that Quentin Nelson did.
Speaker 2: Former top ten, top ten ish pick. I believe Mike McGlinchey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ninth overall, Quentin Nelson went sixth, and I believe
Speaker 1: McGlinchey went ninth.
Speaker 2: Nice. I I could watch Quentin Nelson Notre Dame highlights,
Speaker 2: especially that hit I think it was on Georgia. He
Speaker 2: might have had a big hit on Lcu as well.
Speaker 2: I could watch those all day. I don't have those
Speaker 2: for Mike McGlinchey. I feel like I have highlights for
Speaker 2: Edward and Entrell role that are more attractive than that duo.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Miami here in our Catholics First
Speaker 2: Convicts matchup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer here is ed Reid, Nontrell, Roll Dan.
Speaker 1: It has to be. I love mcglinchy, I love Nelson.
Speaker 1: There is definitely a nostalgia in looking back at that
Speaker 1: era of Notre Dame's offensive line. At one point they
Speaker 1: actually had Nelson mcglinchy and Ronnie Stanley on the offensive
Speaker 1: line at the same time. That was before they moved
Speaker 1: McGlinchey over to left tackle, who was playing right tackle
Speaker 1: when Ronnie Stanley was on the line. But I look
Speaker 1: back at it with almost a frustrated nostalgia that they
Speaker 1: that those teams didn't do better because they had such
Speaker 1: a boss offense of line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they had big running back seasons, so
Speaker 2: that was what Josh Adams had a big year in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I believe, but you know, the trigger man. The quarterback
Speaker 2: position was never never lived up to what the offensive
Speaker 2: line put forward as the standing.
Speaker 1: Incredible offensive line. And so I look in I see
Speaker 1: mcglinchy Nelson for sure, that's that's a tag team. But
Speaker 1: Entrell roll ed Reid. There's just like so much dynamic
Speaker 1: playmaking on the defensive side of the football. It's to
Speaker 1: find our error past that. It's hard to pass that
Speaker 1: Ed Reid's and all Timer. Yeah, of course, absolute all timer.
Speaker 1: So I think we got to go in the direction
Speaker 1: of Miami here, Dan as much as it pains.
Speaker 2: Think about Yeah, think about how hard it is as
Speaker 2: a guard to produce highlight tapes that our mainstream. That's
Speaker 2: what Quentin Nelson did. Yeah, okay, that's I mean occasionally
Speaker 2: you'll get that from guys. I mean, who had the
Speaker 2: out and running? Was it Joe Staley for the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers. Yeah, it's the Saints. Like we do get
Speaker 2: those eye popping highlights, but it's difficult.
Speaker 1: It just is. We have three more matchups here before
Speaker 1: we get to the Elite eight.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: The first is Georgia with Matt Stafford and AJ Green
Speaker 1: up against Denard Robinson and Braylan Edwards.
Speaker 2: So we're eliminating the Iowa offensive lineman because we've been
Speaker 2: biased against offensive line and clearly, Yeah, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: Stafford and Green over Pollock and Geno Atkins and oh man,
Speaker 2: this one's difficult.
Speaker 1: I think with Nard Dog, don't you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Nard Dog.
Speaker 1: I am Nard Dog man A.
Speaker 2: The best of AJ Green was an unstoppable force. But
Speaker 2: what the Nard Dog did in terms of carrying Michigan
Speaker 2: on its on his back when that defense cratered and
Speaker 2: fell off a cliff. I'm gonna go to Nard and Braylin,
Speaker 2: who had his own issues, but really strong receiver obviously
Speaker 2: for Michigan and big Dude, I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go blue here.
Speaker 1: Let's go blue. This next one might be the best matchup.
Speaker 1: This is wonderful Louisville with Louisville Lamar Jackson and DeVante
Speaker 1: Parker squaring off against Stanford with Andrew Luck and Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: So look, the obvious thing here right out of the
Speaker 1: shoot is that DeVante Parker, though an NFL player, though
Speaker 1: very good in college deserving of being on this team
Speaker 1: with Lamar m HM. Clearly does not rise to the
Speaker 1: level of the other three. He doesn't rise to the
Speaker 1: level of Lamar, of Andrew Luck, or of Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: In my view, he.
Speaker 2: Had some unbelievable catches.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable catches. But Okay, going back to your point then,
Speaker 1: which I think is the new scale for how we're
Speaker 1: determining who goes through and who doesn't in terms of electricity,
Speaker 1: in terms.
Speaker 2: Of who really gets who the palpitation. Yeah, like who
Speaker 2: gives the vapors? Yeah, you're picking DeVante Parker over any
Speaker 2: of these three. Well, it's essentially this comes down to
Speaker 2: who would you rather align your buttons and joystick with.
Speaker 2: I know that sounds weird now that I hear myself
Speaker 2: say it out loud. It's Lamar Jackson or Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: Like if we're going to cross out common denominators or
Speaker 2: something like that. Andrew Luck was fantastic, but not electric,
Speaker 2: you know, it's more cerebral, and Lamar Jackson mixed the
Speaker 2: you know, he grew as a cerebral quarterback and was
Speaker 2: an electric runner and bought time for himself as a
Speaker 2: thrower and definitely evolved as a quarterback. And then Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: who was the Swiss Army Knife of Swiss Army Knives
Speaker 2: of the modern era as an all purpose player running back,
Speaker 2: lined up at receiver and return guy wasn't touched in
Speaker 2: that first half against Iowa. Right, as I like to
Speaker 2: point out as often as humanly possible, who would you
Speaker 2: rather play with?
Speaker 1: To me, it's Lamar, I think for me it's Lamar
Speaker 1: as well, I think I think it's Lamar. I do
Speaker 1: have some sour grapes over this selection though, because it
Speaker 1: is well, I mean again, I know you don't really
Speaker 1: care for Matt Linert, but we're clearly selecting Louisville here
Speaker 1: on the merits of Lamar Jackson and not so much
Speaker 1: Devontae Parker, who is the Manchester to being a video
Speaker 1: game player. Devonte Parker and Matt Linert. Okay, again, enough
Speaker 1: with this, Okay, I will agree with you on Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson and Devonte Parker.
Speaker 2: We've named the game after another video game.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm bullying you like I did with what
Speaker 2: did we do at the end of the season in
Speaker 2: the years past.
Speaker 1: I think that was no. That was when we grated
Speaker 1: out our fantasy things, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's when I got the bullying accusations.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, I'm okay with this. By the way,
Speaker 1: I would have been okay with that same logic with
Speaker 1: Liner and Bush, so I'll split the difference. Okay, final
Speaker 1: matchup here, Wow, are probable most difficult? Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: actually impossible. Oklahoma with Adrian Peterson ap all day A
Speaker 1: D and Kyler Murray m H. Or Clemson with the
Speaker 1: Sean Watson and Sammy Watkins. This is a matchup Dan,
Speaker 1: this this is this is like Oklahoma got a stray
Speaker 1: eighth seed and they're squared off against a number one
Speaker 1: seed in the second round of the tournament.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I honestly don't know. So physically Adrian
Speaker 2: Peterson video game doesn't begin to describe the best of him.
Speaker 2: Sammy Watkins was incredible, but I debate whether or not
Speaker 2: he was actually better than Luke Hopkins for Clemson. And
Speaker 2: then Kyler was physically just different physically, his ability in
Speaker 2: his arm. You know, Deshaun Watson was fantastic and was
Speaker 2: a warrior and was a dual threat Kyler Murray, though,
Speaker 2: I mean even just watching him slide, there was a
Speaker 2: certain amount of comfort former baseball player, don't know if
Speaker 2: you have, of course I do. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go Kyler and ad are you? I am?
Speaker 1: I think really what.
Speaker 2: Kyler was able to do in terms now, are we
Speaker 2: going to give Kyler credit for playing in a slightly
Speaker 2: friendlier and more explosive offense because of Lincoln Riley. Now
Speaker 2: Clemson incredible offense, but Oklahoma otherworldly with Kyler Murray won
Speaker 2: the Heisman. I think there's that element of We've seen
Speaker 2: receivers like Sammy Watkins, Adrian Peterson's don't exist coming out
Speaker 2: of high school all that often. You have like Derrick Henry,
Speaker 2: you have Leonard Fournette. But this is like generational type
Speaker 2: builds and ability. So I think I'm going Kyler and
Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson because it just doesn't happen all that often
Speaker 2: when you have that after freshman year nflready type of player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peterson's once in a lifetime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the weakness he has is he wasn't that
Speaker 2: much of an all purpose player, Whereas I think you
Speaker 2: could probably do a little bit more creatively with Sammy
Speaker 2: Watkins in terms of taking you know, sweeps out of
Speaker 2: the backfield stuff like that. I don't have the numbers
Speaker 2: in terms of how much he actually carried the ball
Speaker 2: or you know, was a motion jet kind of guy
Speaker 2: for Clemson during his time. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: were running a lot of that then, but there is
Speaker 2: there is that element of you could do that with
Speaker 2: Sammy Watkins that wasn't necessarily you know, Adrian Peterson lining
Speaker 2: up out wide.
Speaker 1: In my recollection, it also should be noted that Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray accounted for fifty four touchdowns his final year, not bad,
Speaker 1: not bad, fifty four touchdowns, threw for forty three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty two touchdowns now, and ran for over one
Speaker 1: thousand yards and twelve touchdowns. So then he did it all.
Speaker 2: Totally did But if you get into counting stats, Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray probably on like a per game basis, was on
Speaker 2: the field longer because Oklahoma's defense during his time tended
Speaker 2: to keep opponents in the game, whereas Clemson's defense was
Speaker 2: locked down. So Deshaun Watson's probably not playing four quarters
Speaker 2: every week, so that is a difference. But yeah, there
Speaker 2: is something, especially given now I can't give them credit
Speaker 2: for their their height or anything like that. But Kyler
Speaker 2: Murray at five to eleven, Deshaun Watson considerably taller than that,
Speaker 2: six two sixty three whatever. What Kyler Murray was able
Speaker 2: to do in terms of withstanding big hits and avoiding
Speaker 2: contact and making plays, extending plays, man, Kyler Murray was
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 1: So now, to be fair, if we're if we're being
Speaker 1: fair about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also, Deshaun Watson scored, i mean, led a Clemson
Speaker 2: National championship in like a crazy shootout against Alabama, and
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray didn't for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, And I just wanted to, you know, as
Speaker 1: a point of comparison, here the Sean Watson in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty five touchdowns, twelve on the ground. In twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen forty one through the air, nine on the ground.
Speaker 2: So that's fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot. It's an awful lot. And he
Speaker 1: had forty five hundred passing yards his final season at Clemson,
Speaker 1: which is just, you know, remarkable that eclipses what we
Speaker 1: saw from Kyler Murray in his final season.
Speaker 2: What were their rushing numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Watson's best season running, which was twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: he had eleven hundred yards and twelve touchdowns. You'll recall
Speaker 1: he ran less in his junior season, only yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred and some. That was a story that they were
Speaker 1: saving his legs for the playoff, right, And in those
Speaker 1: playoff matchups he came through. He did what he had
Speaker 1: to do on the ground to get them to the
Speaker 1: promised land. I think I agree with you, though, I
Speaker 1: think I agree with you. You can get Kyler Murry
Speaker 1: if we're thinking of this an NBA jam terms, not
Speaker 1: the biggest player in the world, but very versatile. He's quick,
Speaker 1: he can do a lot of everything. And Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: is just sort of like a stalwart.
Speaker 2: Right, Adrian Peterson is more of an absurd video game
Speaker 2: creation than Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Agreed, all right, And like both of these teams, the
Speaker 2: cases for other players occupying these positions is quite simple.
Speaker 2: Like we could have a conversation about We've mentioned this,
Speaker 2: but any of these receivers that have come through some
Speaker 2: I JP Ryan going for what three hundred plus yards? Like,
Speaker 2: there are guys all over the field for both of
Speaker 2: these teams that are just easy, easy calls, easy cases
Speaker 2: and these just the ones that we had to take.
Speaker 1: I guess Alrighty, that brings us back up to the
Speaker 1: very top of this, Dan, We've got your Oregon Ducks
Speaker 1: squaring off against Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans from Texas
Speaker 1: san And it's Marcus Mariota the Anthony Thomas against Johnny
Speaker 1: Manziel Mike Evans. This is for a trip to the
Speaker 1: Final four.
Speaker 2: So Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel committed to Oregon at the
Speaker 2: same time. That was a thing, very briefly, but that
Speaker 2: was a thing, and then A and M offered Manziel. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now this is sort of a size and power versus
Speaker 2: pure speed from D Anthony and Mike Evans. Mariota and
Speaker 2: Johnny football both win the Heisman. I would say Manzel
Speaker 2: had a slyly higher all purpose ceiling as a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree or disagree beating Alabama
Speaker 2: on the road to the way that they did. Sure,
Speaker 2: it's right, Sure, freshman.
Speaker 1: Year, I think the answer is obviously A and M.
Speaker 1: It's obviously Manziel and Evans here.
Speaker 2: Now, Manzel did have some down games in the postseason
Speaker 2: and later on in the season, and Mariota the same
Speaker 2: against against Ohio State had some you know, a decent
Speaker 2: bowl game against I think it was Kansas eight twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: and certainly had a pretty good game against him. I
Speaker 2: say it was Texas and Mac Brown's last game in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. But video game wise, man, it's this one
Speaker 2: is more Johnny Manziel versus Anthony Thomas. D Anthony Thomas
Speaker 2: didn't really work out when he was handed the reins
Speaker 2: as a more full time running back, and that's not
Speaker 2: necessarily his fault, or it's not necessarily the coach's fault.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't his position traditionally, right, So.
Speaker 1: Man, I think I think it's gotta be Texas A
Speaker 1: and M And I don't think it's so much to
Speaker 1: Anthony against Johnny Manzel. I think I think Mariota and
Speaker 1: Manziel sort of cancel each other out, all right.
Speaker 2: For better or this.
Speaker 1: I think they sorts power speed versus power. And look,
Speaker 1: if you look at Mike Evans did how dominant he
Speaker 1: was in the college game versus the Anthony Thomas, who
Speaker 1: was good and fun to watch and fast, it's a clear,
Speaker 1: clear advantage from Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: Well, Mike Evans was slightly more dependent on quarterbacks, whereas
Speaker 2: d Anthony Thomas made his hay somewhat in the return game,
Speaker 2: somewhat as a running back that he would just take
Speaker 2: the ball and find himself in the open field. If
Speaker 2: you remember that Wisconsin highlight, there wasn't much that Darren
Speaker 2: Thomas did in that game. Sure, I know he did
Speaker 2: a good game, but there wasn't on that play to
Speaker 2: spring to Anthony Thomas for eighty or ninety yards or whatever.
Speaker 2: So there is an element of d Anthony Thomas just
Speaker 2: by the position ish that he played, that he was
Speaker 2: more responsible for his electricity than Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean Mike Evans caught nearly fourteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: of football's his final year in twelve touchdowns. There is
Speaker 1: not a single season here Ford Anthony Thomas where he
Speaker 1: got over twelve hundred yards total from scrimmage. Right, the
Speaker 1: advantage clearly between those two in my book, has to
Speaker 1: be Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm totally okay with this. Who who do
Speaker 2: you think is a rarer type of player at his position?
Speaker 2: Got it Evans physically?
Speaker 1: Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go JFF and Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is what six' five two twenty five something like.
Speaker 2: That Mike evans currently currently listed at sixty five two thirty.
Speaker 2: ONE i don't know what he weighed at AN a
Speaker 2: and m. Okay next, Matchup.
Speaker 1: Next, Matchup we've Got Tim tebow And Percy harvin Against
Speaker 1: Jameis winston And Dalvin.
Speaker 2: COOK i, THINK i, MEAN i like. That It's, Florida
Speaker 2: Florida state.
Speaker 1: Here, yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Nice i'm gonna go T Bo Percy. HARVIN i think
Speaker 2: it's got to be T Bo. Harvin, yeah, yeah for
Speaker 2: just the reason that do you want somebody who is
Speaker 2: more of which is more excellence downfield as a passer
Speaker 2: In Jameis? Winston or do you want somebody who's definitely
Speaker 2: not the passer but more of the video game? Character?
Speaker 2: Right And Tim tebow because AND i Think Percy harvin
Speaker 2: had a higher ceiling electricity wise Than Dalvin. Cook So
Speaker 2: i'm Going tebow And.
Speaker 1: Harvin Tim tebow accounted for one hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: touchdowns in his four years At, florida which is. Ridiculous
Speaker 1: that is absolutely totally. RIDICULOUS Tbo. Harvin it is moving.
Speaker 1: On that was moving, On, Yeah, miami Ed reid An Entrell, Roll,
Speaker 1: Michigan Denard robinson And Braylon. Edwards oh, man this is sneaky,
Speaker 1: tough isn't.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah i'm gonna Go miami here, Though i'm not
Speaker 2: gonna think twice about. It and it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with any deficiencies Of Denard robinson And Braylan. Edwards
Speaker 2: it's just those dudes were too.
Speaker 1: Good, YEAH i THINK i think what super superun too?
Speaker 1: Effective what swings this in The miami direction for? Me
Speaker 1: Whereas dinard And Braillen edwards were clearly the class of the,
Speaker 1: team the classes their generation and a ton of fun to.
Speaker 1: Watch Ed Reid nontrell role were Like alheimer's in.
Speaker 2: College, Yeah. Alzheimer's, No it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: you think about what came to define a program in
Speaker 2: the long. Term they do so more THAN i Think. Michigan,
Speaker 2: now that's not, electricity that's not pants. Tightening but there's
Speaker 2: a reason, why AND i think the reason is just
Speaker 2: like the crazy smarts and athleticism of those, two and,
Speaker 2: again nothing to do with any deficiency Of Denud robinson
Speaker 2: And Breylan. Edwards but If i'm picking, characters in a video.
Speaker 2: GAME i think they would just be more fun to play.
Speaker 1: With it's great versus all time, great and there is
Speaker 1: a difference between the, Two SO i agree with. You
Speaker 1: final matchup, Dead Lamar jackson And DeVante parker For louisville
Speaker 1: Versus Adrian peterson And Kyler.
Speaker 2: MURRAY i Guess i'm moving ou.
Speaker 1: Forward, WOW i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i, MEAN i thought the The Shawn Sammy watkins
Speaker 2: matchup was a little bit more. DIFFICULT i Think Devanta
Speaker 2: parker was a great, receiver but we're talking about to
Speaker 2: all timers And Kyler murray And Adrian. PETERSON i.
Speaker 1: Agree moving, On, yeah not even gonna think twice about.
Speaker 2: It lamar's an Al, teimer, period BUT i NEED i
Speaker 2: need two of.
Speaker 1: Them Final, Four final Four TEXAS a AND M Johnny,
Speaker 1: Manzel Mike evans squaring off Against Tim tebow And Percy
Speaker 1: Harvin dan sort of inverted. Duos, yeah this is extremely.
Speaker 1: Difficult The manzell side of, THIS i think is THE x.
Speaker 1: Factor manziel's not gonna have the numbers Of Tim, tebow
Speaker 1: not even.
Speaker 2: Close, WELL i only played two, years played.
Speaker 1: Two, years so if you compare them at least heads,
Speaker 1: up you're gonna see That Tim tebow's got a clear advantage, there.
Speaker 2: So laid relatively in the same, era And Johnny Manzel's
Speaker 2: heisman season was superior in terms of production and electricity
Speaker 2: To Tim. Tebow's does it.
Speaker 1: Matter to you That tebow won a lot more Than
Speaker 1: manziel just in terms of, no you, know championships and
Speaker 1: high LEVEL A cec. Play, NO i mean the totality
Speaker 1: of The florida experience With Urban meyer Versus Kevin somelan
Speaker 1: and the defense That florida fielded for chunks Of Tim
Speaker 1: tebow's time there in terms OF nfl, Players and there
Speaker 1: were great players FOR a And m's defense, too but
Speaker 1: they were Just florida was a more complete. Team SO
Speaker 1: i don't Give Tim tebow Or Percy harvin credit for
Speaker 1: just being on more complete. Teams if we're just looking
Speaker 1: at this duo in a, vacuum, RIGHT i Think i'm,
Speaker 1: Going i'm Going manziel.
Speaker 2: And, Evans, okay why there was there's an element of
Speaker 2: top end speed and creativity For, Manzel AND i, mean
Speaker 2: What's Tim tebow's defining? Play the jump pass or like
Speaker 2: the touchdown run Against South carolina early on sort of
Speaker 2: weaving in and. Out it's something like, that Whereas Johnny
Speaker 2: manziel's is the ball popping out as he's getting rushed
Speaker 2: By alabama and then grabbing it and then throwing it
Speaker 2: to a wide OPEN i Believe Ryan swape or the
Speaker 2: play where he's just heaved it up after escaping a
Speaker 2: bunch of pass rushers And Mike evans caught. It the
Speaker 2: end Of Tim tebow's career where he was just used
Speaker 2: as a battering ram is not as. Fun, Now Johnny
Speaker 2: manziel had down, games but even the good That Tim
Speaker 2: tebow did was sort of there was a lot of
Speaker 2: three yards in a cloud of dust or seven yards
Speaker 2: in a cloud of, dust but it wasn't that exciting
Speaker 2: to watch essentially an h back play quarterback on those running.
Speaker 2: Plays So Percy harvin brings that electricity, up that arcade element.
Speaker 2: Up But i'm gonna roll With Johnny manziel And evans.
Speaker 1: HERE i think if we're talking arcade, element the arcade
Speaker 1: element Is manziell And. Evans.
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean think About Bo jackson weaving in and
Speaker 2: out In Techmo Super. Bowl there is that element Of Johnny, manziel.
Speaker 1: Almost reggie Bush.
Speaker 2: Lake you could, Say, yeah, DEFINITELY i.
Speaker 1: THINK i agree with, You, DAN i think I'M i
Speaker 1: Think i'm on board WITH a AND. M and that's
Speaker 1: really difficult for.
Speaker 2: ME A Cotton bowl game Against oklahoma that he was
Speaker 2: fantastic and he had That duke, comeback and, YES i
Speaker 2: know it Was, duke But duke was okay that, year
Speaker 2: and possibly The chick Fil A.
Speaker 1: BOWL i THINK i Go manziel And. EVANS i think it.
Speaker 2: Was more, fun more fun To Johnny, manziel the best
Speaker 2: Of johnny manzielvint to the best Of.
Speaker 1: Tiba the arcade, element to me is kind of key
Speaker 1: in determining That manziell is a. Pinball he was a
Speaker 1: pinball behind the line of scrimmage and he made circus
Speaker 1: plays on the. Regular whereas as he, Said Tim tebow
Speaker 1: again an all, timer let's be, clear all timer a million,
Speaker 1: touchdowns but definitely a different kind of. Player, Yeah manzell And,
Speaker 1: evans all, right, next next, up we've got Ed Reid
Speaker 1: nontrell role okay Versus Adrian peterson And Kyler. Murray this
Speaker 1: is this is.
Speaker 2: DIFFICULT i, mean this is just an offensive electricity versus defense.
Speaker 2: Electricity this is.
Speaker 1: Very difficult for, ME i feel Like i'm inclined to
Speaker 1: go Ed Reid nontrell role that is my.
Speaker 2: Initial Adrian peterson. Fun Adrian peterson electric and? Fantastic was he?
Speaker 2: Fun more of a straight ahead, guy one cut and,
Speaker 2: Go unlike perhaps anybody other than Maybe Derrick henry in
Speaker 2: terms of that power and speed combination the modern, Era
Speaker 2: all due, respect who's that who's that running back For Notre,
Speaker 2: dame who's helmet popped? Off and he was like in
Speaker 2: a model post, McDaniel all due respect to, Right, Yeah
Speaker 2: Adrian peterson was a. MACHINE i think there's a. Man
Speaker 2: this is so.
Speaker 1: Tough the answer here Is. Miami the answer here Is.
Speaker 1: Miami with no disrespect To Kyler, Murray Adrian peterson's an all.
Speaker 1: Timer BUT i feel like when we look back at
Speaker 1: the heyday of Edri Nontrell roll Versus Peterson, kyler my
Speaker 1: eye is drawn To. Miami my eye is drawn To
Speaker 1: miami because those two guys are just ridiculous out, there totally.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous not to say the others. Weren't BUT i like
Speaker 1: the fact that we've got a defensive matchup here that's
Speaker 1: meaningful to me to be inclusive of that side of
Speaker 1: the football because we don't have much diversity in terms
Speaker 1: of positioning. Here it's a lot of quarterbacks and running
Speaker 1: backs or. RECEIVERS i like the fact that we've got
Speaker 1: two just boss defensive. Backs So i've given this one To. Miami,
Speaker 1: Okay so here we. Go final, Matchup Dan TEXAS a
Speaker 1: AND m And Johnny Manziel Mike evans squaring off in
Speaker 1: our weird last second video game against The Miami. Hurricanes
Speaker 1: In Ed reid In entrell Roll, Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah you have a Lean, yeah My leen Is TEXAS
Speaker 2: a AND m because they complement each other physically in
Speaker 2: a way That Ed, reid an intro role on trail
Speaker 2: role don't necessarily. Do if we are parsing and picking
Speaker 2: apart this, matchup it's not like AND i know that
Speaker 2: we're going with associated. Positions But Ed reid not a
Speaker 2: huge safety in the way THAT i Believe Sean taylor
Speaker 2: was and who could have easily made this list. TOO
Speaker 2: i don't know the years he. Played if he, QUALIFIES
Speaker 2: i believe he. Does oh. Man it's just that complimentary
Speaker 2: element and it's a position group luck factor That Mike
Speaker 2: evans is a big receiver And Johnny manziel is a,
Speaker 2: smaller speedier. Quarterback WHEREAS i think if we are literally
Speaker 2: playing pitting these two against each, other which we can
Speaker 2: do we can do in a video, game, POSITIONALLY i
Speaker 2: THINK i would give the. EDGE i think there is
Speaker 2: that mismatch element with Having Mike evans be as big
Speaker 2: as he. WAS i can look up What Ed reid
Speaker 2: played At Ed Reid miami as a. Pro he looked
Speaker 2: like it was about two oh, five so not, small
Speaker 2: BUT i imagine In miami he, was you, know ten
Speaker 2: fifteen seventeen pounds. Less entrell ROLL nfl combine was two
Speaker 2: to oh. One, okay that's a pretty good size for A,
Speaker 2: dB but that's him probably putting on a few pounds
Speaker 2: for the. Combine and he's six feet Ed reid five
Speaker 2: eleven two oh, one so about the same size As,
Speaker 2: Manzelle whereas you're getting bodied By.
Speaker 1: Mike, evans oh five six inches, taller twenty five pounds.
Speaker 1: MORE i think the answer here is. Clear It's manzell And,
Speaker 1: evans DAM i think think. SO i Think manzell And
Speaker 1: evans are our college Football jam national champions here.
Speaker 2: Because did they get did they get a fortuitous? Path
Speaker 2: would you, say like would you have Taken manzell And.
Speaker 2: Evans let me see who they, Avoided so they didn't
Speaker 2: have to play Against they didn't have to play Against
Speaker 2: Notre Day sean And Sammy, watkins like didn't.
Speaker 1: Have to play Against. Sean, yeah they Skipped Andrew lucke
Speaker 1: And christian. McCaffrey that's, Fine tua And davante because That
Speaker 1: Oklahoma clemson matchup was.
Speaker 2: Brutal BUT i guess choosing, YEAH i guess transitive, WISE
Speaker 2: i would take AND i THINK i said this in round,
Speaker 2: One i'm gonna have a hard time picking anyone Over
Speaker 2: manzelle And.
Speaker 1: Evans.
Speaker 2: Right, well you think about playing a football video game
Speaker 2: just in, general is they're having that element of that
Speaker 2: huge pass catcher that you know you can count on
Speaker 2: third and. Eight that that is very telling of The Mike,
Speaker 2: Evans TEXAS a AND m. Experience, MAN i did not
Speaker 2: see this, coming to be. Honest great, matchup great put this.
Speaker 2: Matchup thank. You, yeah when we put this, TOGETHER i
Speaker 2: didn't know. WHO i was. Thinking Probably. Oklahoma, now if
Speaker 2: we are looking At Kyler murray And Dede, Westbrook ceedee,
Speaker 2: lamb any of these like crazy, fast versatile receips instead
Speaker 2: of a workhorse running, back a straight ahead but physically
Speaker 2: crazy imposing running back in. AD i wonder if that
Speaker 2: changes the math on any of this the way that
Speaker 2: we grated.
Speaker 1: Out if we did, Jeps, yeah if we Did kyler
Speaker 1: And Ceedee, Lamb, Right, so.
Speaker 2: Who do we Have oklahoma losing To oklahoma has the deepest?
Speaker 1: Bench to, me we Have oklahoma losing To. Miami.
Speaker 2: Right so, hypothetically if we did Do Kyler murray And
Speaker 2: Cede lamb Or Hollywood brown or any of these guys
Speaker 2: that were just total game, breakers does that change anything for?
Speaker 1: YOU i still THINK i probably go Ed Reed natrell.
Speaker 1: Role but, okay it's it is slightly different, calculus isn't. It,
Speaker 1: yeah if it's something Like kyler And Cede, lamb or
Speaker 1: even if it's Like, baker.
Speaker 2: Even if It's, Baker, yeah and one of those.
Speaker 1: Guys SO i agreed to the extent That oklahoma's got
Speaker 1: a very very deep bench. Here there were some, teams
Speaker 1: as you, know we went through we struggled to find
Speaker 1: who the right counterparts would. Be good teams, Too, yeah good.
Speaker 1: Teams we're not talking bad teams, here but really good.
Speaker 1: Teams but we did not have that problem with With
Speaker 1: oklahoma at. All it was pretty clear that we had
Speaker 1: a number of guys we could pick.
Speaker 2: From did you like THAT i pivoted to what if
Speaker 2: they actually played near the end of the. Game, YEAH
Speaker 2: i just added an element to my. Qualifications, yeah that's
Speaker 2: WHAT i.
Speaker 1: Do all. Right so it's Late, april Late. April thank.
Speaker 1: YOU i am going, TO i, guess make A pdf
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Speaker 1: thoughts on our selections, here the, pathway the, bracket the
Speaker 1: whole nine. Yards would as always welcome your feedback on
Speaker 1: where we got it, right where we got it, wrong
Speaker 1: mostly where we got it, wrong because we know people
Speaker 1: are going to be talking about.
Speaker 2: That but so there is another what if in, here
Speaker 2: and that's if we went offense With Ohio, state and
Speaker 2: if we, did Like Justin fields And Zeke, elliott.
Speaker 1: Would you Mention Zeke elliott the other?
Speaker 2: Day did we we? Didn't somebody corrected us because we're
Speaker 2: surely going to forget people and you WANT. Jk. Dobbins,
Speaker 2: sure we could put IN. Jk dobbins. TOO i don't
Speaker 2: know if that changes the math for. You ON A,
Speaker 2: Kyler fields.
Speaker 1: And zeke is very, formidable isn't.
Speaker 2: It would you Do fields And zeke over To shaun And?
Speaker 2: SAMMY i think?
Speaker 1: SO i think. So remember how Good zeke was in?
Speaker 2: College of COURSE i, remember, Ty, yeah just, checking just
Speaker 2: making you forget. That so would you Take fields And
Speaker 2: zeke Over kyler AND a D? M? PROBABLY i might
Speaker 2: have Interesting, OKAY i still want to see why we.
Speaker 2: SHOULD i wouldn't have taken them over Man zell And,
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