WEBVTT - Ed Sheeran Gets Personal w/ Charlamagne Tha God 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:06.280 Tell us where we are right now. We are in 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.960 my treehouse. This is a treehouse. You got a treehouse studio. Yeah, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.200 this is where I made Divide and where I now 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.759 do all my sort of work. While while we're here, 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.919 let me play. Let me play some number five. Number five, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.640 number five. That was your original Alboration project. Yeah, two 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.079 thousand and oh god, I want to say ten, but 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.000 it actually came out first week of two thousand and eleven. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.440 So this is before like you were popping, piping. Yeah, 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:39.760 this is actually what what made me pop. How do 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.239 you think I do you think that ship held up? 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.360 I mean, it's still one of It's still one of 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.840 my favorite projects I've done. Okay, I play. I played 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:59.200 one another one from the top, and that's the project 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.800 that got you signed. Number five. Yeah, well I did. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.200 I basically did five vps before I got signed, And 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.399 because I did, I did. I was into so much stuff, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.160 much much like with the project here there was. I 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.840 was inplumed by so much stuff. So I had one 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.520 record that I just did fully with the bands. The 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.440 next record was like what my first album pretty much 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.360 ended up being. And then I did one that was 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.880 just completely acoustic that was all written with this one 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.959 girl as a duet, and then I did a live 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.039 DVD and a live album, all of those, and then 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.520 I did this. So this was number five of the EPs, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.640 and it was kind of like the momentum of all 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.520 of those that ended up getting me signed was it 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.720 was your thought prices the same when you made number five, 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.880 like you're just gonna work with artists that. Yeah, back then, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.440 you can only get the artists you could get because 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.720 you wasn't like no, no, because no, because at this 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.880 at this point, Evelyn and Wiley, P Money, Jamie Marcha, Payne, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.919 Gets Random, Impulse, Way Wretch, Dot Rotten, they were all 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.720 top of their game, like and it was like I 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.280 actually had to like do a lot of convincing because 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.600 I was quite you know, I was a new new artist. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.520 But what I do is I just turn up at 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.680 like the studio with them, and then I was just persistent. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.800 It was just like, we have to do a song, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:03.720 we have to do a song, we have to do 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.880 a song, and then made it, made it happen. You 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.600 had a DJ Coward level of annoyance. Yeah, But I 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.200 think I've had that same thing on this one. Number six, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.520 just because you have to be persistent, you have to 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.120 be on people to make it, to make it happen. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.200 So what so this one got you signed? Or do 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.480 you hope this project though the number six? What do 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.680 you hope number six does for you? When I made this, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.280 I wasn't I didn't want to be. It wasn't like 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.000 I'm going to get signed by making this. I made 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.800 this because it was so much fun to make, and 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.680 it was all all the artists I wanted to work with, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.120 and I made these songs that I was just so 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.800 proud to play my friends. And it's pretty much the 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.880 same with this one. If I was like, oh, well, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.120 it's going to help me do this and help me 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.360 do this, the fact is I've like I've already achieved 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.760 more than I thought I could, so right, and now 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:51.000 I'm at a point where I'm just having fun. You're 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.520 not as Sharon two kings a part Why the hell 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.840 y'all did a rock record because exactly that exactly. I 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.200 think people do not expect that any time I play 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:05.520 that to anyone. The first called the first instantly, people 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.160 go instantly. And I love that. I love that we'll 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.600 kind of rocky of the school meal with the heavy metal. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.520 I think it would just be rock, classic rock, classic rock. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.200 I mean we did loads of songs and loads of 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.000 different things, but we ended up on that song. And 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.720 it was purely by by by accident with having Chris 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.920 Stapleton and he just seemed the most interesting. So nobody said, hey, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.960 we should do a rock song. It was just no, well, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.119 I mean Chris, Chris had the riff. Chris was there 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.600 and then what was it? And he had he played 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:42.600 it's the riff, which is and then we were like, oh, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.080 let's let's write write a song about that. Bruno took 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.840 it away and unbeknownst to me, him and Chris had 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.360 got together and fun with it a lot. Throughout throughout 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.080 my whole career, I've never had an excuse to get 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.120 a band, And now that's an excuse to maybe tour 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.360 with the bands, because I think play playing that live 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.400 would be different level. I've seen you live a couple 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.320 of times. That wouldn't be difficult for you on stage 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.119 with just the guitar. You think you can pull it off. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.960 Oh well, I had an idea to do both. I 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.080 think you know, people like my loop pedal and no 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.839 one's seen with a band, and I think you could 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.800 have a show that incorporate I think it's time to 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.560 have a show that incorporates both of them personally. I 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.560 want to be normal Bruner because I feel like y'all 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.479 have had a similar payers. I remember Bruno in twenty ten, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.479 but I opened up for him at iTunes Festival, Yeah, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.880 in twenty eleven, and then I don't know, we just 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.880 we just hung out. I went and guested with him 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.599 a couple of times on tour, Like we've had nights 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.080 out together. It seems like you'll had an organic chemistry together. Yeah. Well, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.160 I mean he's a phenomenal writer. Phenomenal writer. I mean 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.400 he's written so many others like he did to see 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.359 Tho Green, Fuck You, and like God, I don't know. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.280 So yeah, Bruno's just like he's just a talented writer, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.360 and he's so musically talent. He's played every every instrument 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.400 on that but Jones played the bass, played the guitar. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.440 Like he's like different level in the studio you really 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.400 respect for I write at the mote like it's like 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.799 the same thing you were listening to Howard Stern yesterday, 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.640 And Howard Stern is like one of the greatest radio personalities. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.560 You've got to You've got to. You've got to look 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.880 at your peers and the people you look up to, 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.000 and you know, I have a great respect of people 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.880 that can do things that I can't do. When I 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.159 was shocked to find out that you get no help 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.960 with your writing, like you write everything yourself lyrically, Yes, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.600 but I think I need a lot of help with 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.640 production and making songs, you know. And there'll be songs 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.000 like the A Team and Perfects and stuff like that 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.479 that I'll just go in and I'd do a one 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.479 hundred percent myself. Whereas there'll be a song like Goalway Girl, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.440 which is quite a collaborative thing. I'll go in with 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.360 a folk band and then we'll all write it together 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.280 with the folk band, but I would write the lyrics 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.320 for that and then it would be shaped in it. Basically, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.120 did you look you look at other eithers different when 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.159 you find out the radio stuff, only if they have 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.000 nothing to do with it. I just find I'm just 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.240 kind of need to write songs to make me feel 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.719 better about myself. You get out all your demons in 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.640 music and then it kind of clears out your head. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.080 It's it's like it's exactly therapy I saw Elton john 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.440 car you want to like one of the best song 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.279 writer of this generation. It's very kind of I don't know, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.120 I like writing songs, but I feel like I'm improving 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.919 day by day by going in the studio people like 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.839 Chris Stapleton and Bruno Mars. You're just expanding your palette 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.599 and learning new things. I think you're growing by just 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.320 living life like order. You get the more experience as 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.839 you get, but you can't you can't. You can't become 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.360 better unless you around people who can teach you things. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.760 If I just worked in this studio, things would start 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.480 sounding a bit stale after a while. Which is what's 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.599 so great about doing this collaborations project is I've worked 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.200 with so many different people and seeing how like Bruno's 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.400 process versus Travis Scott's process versus Chances process, we'll get 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.480 we'll get onto it. But he literally puts a mike 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.520 up and he just has the verse repeating, and he's 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.760 just there in the studio and it's kind of starts 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.080 off as a mumble and then like words go in 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.480 every now and then, and then like the first sentence 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.080 is done, but the rest of mumble and he'll just 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.640 do it over and over and over again, and then 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.040 the verse has done. The most amazing thing I've seen 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.279 people do it line by line, but in terms of 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.960 like he's memorizing all his mumbles and the cadence of 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.240 the mumbles, and then thinking of the lines, and then 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.240 memorizing the first lines and then getting totin like there 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.600 was no point that he stopped. It was just two 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.520 hours of that and then the verse was done, which 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.400 was a completely different thing for me to see. So 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.440 I'm learning stuff like that every day and since then 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.240 have tried that, tried putting putting, I mean I can't 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.600 do it yet, but putting songs together where you find 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.760 a melody and then you mumble the words and keep going, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.400 keep going, and then it starts to fit. So it's 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.080 like learning stuff every day from people. So what do 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.000 you learn from Bruno? So as you look at him 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.160 as another amazing songwriter, or there any tricks you got 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.040 from him and it could make you better. We kind 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.200 of have the same approach for a lot of things. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.200 You know, you throw a lot of ideas at the wall. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.000 His ideas are just different to mine. When I was 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.680 in there, he was like, look, the reason we're working 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.680 together is we're both trying to get something from each other. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.960 And if you just play the usual cause that you do, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.440 you might as well just be working on your own. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:01.680 So what would work as your melodies and lyrics over this? 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.720 And then if you have some chords that will go 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.600 over this, then my melodies and lyrics go over this, 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.280 and then that's what makes it interesting. So that chorus 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:13.320 on the Blow song is you know, a mixture of Chris, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.400 a mixture of me, and a mixture of Bruno and 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.560 it all kind of came together like that. Basically, do 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.520 you find yourself battling battling him? Oh yeah, massively? Yeah, yeah, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.000 that make the amount of arguments, which is kind of like, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.440 you know, I think at the time he might. I 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.440 think he had two Diamond singles at that point and 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.960 I had one and he and he was just like, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.480 but I've got two diamond singles and like it. They'd 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.040 be kind of like back and forth like that, and 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.520 then the next time I went in with him, I've 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.520 got two as well. So we've kind of had a 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.640 battle on that front for US world pop star problems, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.840 Jesus Christ and what's the next South of the Border. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.120 Why why did you pick those two young ladies to 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.439 collab on network. I've always wanted to make a song 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:01.240 with Hardi Bi Cardi b just personality wise, even even 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:02.800 if you just had a talking on the song, like 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.520 I've just I love her, Cherry's obsessed with her. She's 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.880 just I've got some meter review times. She's very animated, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.160 very lovely, and so that. Yeah, I always wanted her 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.520 on a record. But I met comed in twenty thirteen 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.880 at the VMA's when she was in Fifth Harmony. We've 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.840 kind of always kept in touch and she's I don't 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.960 know if you've met her, but she's very, very very sweet, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.320 very very nice. It has a Latin flavor, you could 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.280 say that, yeah, you know she's from Cuba. She speaks 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:33.560 fluent Spanish and Cardi's Dominican. Yes, yeah, And I just 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.280 felt like it was it was a good, good mix. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.599 Does since since you and Bruno have such a friendly competition, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.360 when you see him have these records with Cardi, you know, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.160 does that make you want to do that type of collabiration. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:51.480 I definitely saw the Finesse tune and like was like, wow, man, God, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.040 I wish I had done that, but then I couldn't 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.720 have done it. I can't dance like that, dude. It's 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.280 just it would have been weird. It would have been 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.160 a weird thing. So I feel like that is me, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.080 and I like Bruno does his thing with Cardi, but 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.640 then Cardi's like Cardi's on a lot of records. She's 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.200 just you know, I like Bruno doing really well because 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.120 it spurs me on to do really well. Hopefully if 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.800 I do well, it spurs him on. It's not like 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.480 there's never a vindictiveness in it. It's just like, oh shit, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.320 he's doing that. I should I should work harder and 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.280 do this, rather than a like I want to be 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.720 doing better than you. You and Cardie got similar energies 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.400 to her because Cardi is authentically herself and you're authentically yourself. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.040 You think that's why you gravity toward Yeah, I mean, 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.240 I just I love how unfiltered she is. You know, 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:35.840 she literally she's me so media trained not to be 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.640 media trained. You know, like her whole stick is she 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.520 goes on and says whatever she wants and that is 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.760 what works for her, whereas I never had a media 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.800 training either. And I feel like I get to just 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.120 say what I want, and she's successful because she is 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.839 who she is. She's there's no one else that can 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.199 be Cardi B. And there's going to be countless people 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.400 now that try to be Yeah, she had had her 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.400 success and it's going to be fake. Yeah. I feel 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:58.760 like I was trying to be fake real and you're 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.000 trying to be fake authentically. Yeah, trying to be fake 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.800 cut yeah, yeah, yeah. What's next next is the chance 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.640 to refer from P and B rock song about that's 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.600 my scene. That's all the snow. If you cross hard 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.360 and you cross me cross I made you want to 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:13.800 get a chance? You want to record a bunch of lady. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.480 You can just tell just from the way that he 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:20.120 his approach was to it. His whole verse was like 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.160 this that line we were talking about yesterday, They never 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.079 say hi to me without her Like it's just like 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.600 there's just a you can't teach that level of respect. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.560 He's obviously brought up with a very very strong, loving mother, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.079 you know, and probably with a lot of women around him, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.240 and it's it's it's good. I'll play you what we 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.480 what we actually got the sample from, because it's a 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.120 P and B sample, it's a P and B rock sample. Yeah, 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.160 so freestyle, how is it anything she needs? She can 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.679 call me, don't worry about it. That's my scene of 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.520 that saw me to snow. If you cast her and 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.920 you cost me up. P and B made it a 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.000 hot line. You made it a hot song. That's hard. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.679 You said it's hard to right about. No, it's easier 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.880 to write about heartbreak than it is about love. But 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.040 I feel like you captured well. No, I don't know. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.520 I think it's easier to write multiple songs about heartbreak. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.160 I mean, it's kind of like to find the right 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.360 fucking angle to write a love song about, which isn't 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.480 just you make me feel this way, and it's like 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.040 find it. It's about finding different angles. Now, for me, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.000 it's not about I've done thinking out loud, I've done perfect, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.280 I've done the the love songs about finding different angles. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.560 Now to do that, that's a different type of love song, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.520 right there. Yeah, that's expressed in love nicely, and I 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.560 think I think my view of it is that because 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.400 it has so many ups and downs in the song, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.720 you know, there's the bit where it just cuts out 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:48.880 and then just suddenly you and your girl everyone will 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.679 be doing that. I think it'd be fun. What was 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.840 your lady's reaction when she heard that song? Just say, finally, finally, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.719 you didn't make a depressing song about me, something we 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.959 can dance to. Yeah. No, she likes it. She likes 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.320 a lot she but she likes um. I think she 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.200 likes the message of it because it's quite. It's quite. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.200 It makes her feel like badass as well. You know 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.559 you you originally hear the song and it's it sounds 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.280 like it's me being like, I'm going to be protective, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.600 but actually it's a scaring people might try right now 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.560 because you've got her artist looking like a tough guy. No, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.760 because you know I'm not. I'm not a tough guy. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.760 But I've got a security guy. Hey, you know he's 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.160 he's grumpy, so he's going away. What's next? The stormsy 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:35.800 one to the Sky. Yeah. Yeah, you're such an intriguing 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.760 artist because you perhaps sing R and B, but it 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.320 seems like UK rap has influenced you just as much 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:43.920 as all that other stuff. Yeah. Well, I think I 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.840 think rap in general, but UK rap was you know, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.120 the first bit intro for me into this was me 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.520 doing that collaborations thing. And I've been working with UK 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.000 artists since since since then, you know, we've kind of 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.920 been friends for a very very long time, but never 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.760 really worked together. He did he remake Shape of You 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.480 for me, but never really worked together on a song. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.080 Everything happens for a reason, and I feel like this 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.720 happened for a reason. What's the next next is the 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.760 y ever tune, which I'd like to say. I played 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.240 this to Charlemagne yesterday and I played him yeb just 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.240 just before I played in the song called Evergreen, and 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.960 he was obviously blown away because she's amazing. But then 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.920 I do my verse on this song. He's like, I 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.520 can tell she's just going to come and body you 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.160 about the body, and I was right. She bodied you 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.520 on this record. And this is why you're doing the interview, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:35.160 because you're honest. My lungs black, my hardest, pure god, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.280 we did that here actually really, Yeah, thank you for 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.760 introducing me to Hurry Yabba. She's phenomenal and she boded 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.240 you on that record. Thank you. But you know that, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.400 Like that's right. But I think, as I said to 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.240 you when the song was playing, you should only be 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.640 working with people that you think are better than you, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.520 so it helps you grow as a person. Like when 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.000 I the song wo Beyonce, she definitely bodied me on 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.920 that did the song with hell like he definitely like 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.560 these people are the peak of their game. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.800 you know, perfect as a lord. Debatable. That was a 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.400 good back and forth. Oh, I mean that was This 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.040 is a good back and forth too. But you know, yeah, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.240 but I feel like, you know, I'm not I don't 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.360 want to do I don't want to I don't want 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.000 to have a feature that isn't amazing. She hit a 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.360 note on there. I'm like, I don't even know what 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.280 there was. Yeah, it sound like you could have been 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.760 like some offects on or something like. Yeah. But like 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.160 if like if that had you know, someone that it 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.240 didn't compliment it, I don't know. I feel like it 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:30.880 if you have a song that you think is good 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.560 and you put someone that you think is amazing, it 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.200 instantly makes the song incredible. So yeah, it was. I 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.040 had taken her on tour in twenty seventeen, so we 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.960 were in touch anyway, and she came to see my 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.200 Wembley show recently and we reconnected there and we've been 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:45.880 on email and she sent me demos of her songs 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.480 that I've listened to and stuff like that, so we've 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.600 always we've always had a really cool relationship. I got 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:50.960 on the phone with her one day and I was like, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.320 I have the song, send it to her. She sent 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.080 back her verse and then and then I was like, 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.360 we have to get in and make sure that the 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.320 chorus lifts and we can sing it to and it 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:01.920 sounds like we've actually been in the same room and 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.840 made it. Something like that you can't really make remotely. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.000 You have to be in the same room. Sometimes I 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.040 play people artists and some people will be like, oh 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.320 my god, been the best thing the world, and some 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.040 people like I just don't get it. But there's no 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.280 one that doesn't get her. It's so easy to get. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.120 It's just like, Wow, she's incredibly talented. Yeah, I mean 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.880 people like her just let me know that. It's just 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.680 a matter of timing, because you know, you know, when 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.400 when you put me on her and I pulled it 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.120 over Green on Instagram, the people in my comments like, oh, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.040 you're late. Oh I listened to that song a lot 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.960 of times. Yeah, but there's but there's late, and there's 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.400 there's late, like there's you know, there's people that would 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.160 have been on Travis Scott from the very, very very beginning. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.080 You know that would be like, oh, you're late if 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.520 you got into him at goosebumps or whatever. It's so 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.760 I think you know you can't be there from the beginning. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.640 Was she willing to be as open as you were? 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:47.400 Did you have to kind of like push her? Yeah? 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.360 Well I said it. I said it on on on 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.680 the phone. I said, like for me, for me, I 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.080 was writing stuff that was embarrassing to me, you know, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.800 my deepest secrets that And I said, if you're if, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.240 if you're going to write it, just make sure that 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.680 if each line is uncomfortable for you to write, we 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.600 will be like, oh gosh, I'll be telling people this. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.440 That's the kind of vibe I wants you to have. It. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.520 Is it healthy to think that the best of you 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.720 is another person? Though maybe not, but I'm sure you 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.680 think some of the best parts of you were your wife, 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.480 And I think it's it might it might not be healthy, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.080 but I feel like it's a human flaw. But to 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.920 be like, like I'm constantly wake up every day with 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.719 Cherry and I'm just like, why the fuck are you 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.920 with me? Like you could be you literally be with 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.760 who who, whoever you want to You've chosen, You've chosen me, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.080 And like I'm saying, all of the things that I 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.879 think are wrong with me, but you still want to 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.960 be with me. And I just find that amazing. But 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.920 doesn't they keep you in a content state of anxiety, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.440 like constantly questioning whether or not no, no, because no, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.920 because she doesn't she doesn't add fuel to the flame. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.360 I think. I think I think if she was like, well, yeah, why, 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.360 then then you get anxiety. But I think it's quite 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.600 a sweet thing to I think it's quite sweet to 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.359 always think that the person you're with is out of 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.760 your league. Imagine imagine if you were like with your wife, like, yeah, 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.840 you're with me because I'm fucking amazing. Like it's like, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.960 it's it's quite a sweet thing. It keeps you on 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.760 your tools. Yeah, and you don't ever take it from granted. Yeah, mate, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.520 And that's the way. That would be the worst thing, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.560 to just just be Yeah, to take it for granted. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.040 And I tour a lot. I spend a lot of 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.240