1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Tell us where we are right now. We are in 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: my treehouse. This is a treehouse. You got a treehouse studio. Yeah, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: this is where I made Divide and where I now 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: do all my sort of work. While while we're here, 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: let me play. Let me play some number five. Number five, 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: number five. That was your original Alboration project. Yeah, two 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: thousand and oh god, I want to say ten, but 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: it actually came out first week of two thousand and eleven. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: So this is before like you were popping, piping. Yeah, 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: this is actually what what made me pop. How do 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: you think I do you think that ship held up? 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's still one of It's still one of 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: my favorite projects I've done. Okay, I play. I played 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: one another one from the top, and that's the project 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: that got you signed. Number five. Yeah, well I did. 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: I basically did five vps before I got signed, And 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: because I did, I did. I was into so much stuff, 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: much much like with the project here there was. I 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: was inplumed by so much stuff. So I had one 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: record that I just did fully with the bands. The 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: next record was like what my first album pretty much 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: ended up being. And then I did one that was 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: just completely acoustic that was all written with this one 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: girl as a duet, and then I did a live 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: DVD and a live album, all of those, and then 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I did this. So this was number five of the EPs, 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and it was kind of like the momentum of all 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: of those that ended up getting me signed was it 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: was your thought prices the same when you made number five, 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: like you're just gonna work with artists that. Yeah, back then, 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: you can only get the artists you could get because 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: you wasn't like no, no, because no, because at this 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: at this point, Evelyn and Wiley, P Money, Jamie Marcha, Payne, 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 1: Gets Random, Impulse, Way Wretch, Dot Rotten, they were all 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: top of their game, like and it was like I 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: actually had to like do a lot of convincing because 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I was quite you know, I was a new new artist. 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: But what I do is I just turn up at 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: like the studio with them, and then I was just persistent. 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: It was just like, we have to do a song, 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: we have to do a song, we have to do 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: a song, and then made it, made it happen. You 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: had a DJ Coward level of annoyance. Yeah, But I 44 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: think I've had that same thing on this one. Number six, 45 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: just because you have to be persistent, you have to 46 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: be on people to make it, to make it happen. 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: So what so this one got you signed? Or do 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: you hope this project though the number six? What do 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: you hope number six does for you? When I made this, 50 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't want to be. It wasn't like 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to get signed by making this. I made 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: this because it was so much fun to make, and 53 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: it was all all the artists I wanted to work with, 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: and I made these songs that I was just so 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: proud to play my friends. And it's pretty much the 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: same with this one. If I was like, oh, well, 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: it's going to help me do this and help me 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: do this, the fact is I've like I've already achieved 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: more than I thought I could, so right, and now 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm at a point where I'm just having fun. You're 61 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: not as Sharon two kings a part Why the hell 62 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: y'all did a rock record because exactly that exactly. I 63 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: think people do not expect that any time I play 64 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: that to anyone. The first called the first instantly, people 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: go instantly. And I love that. I love that we'll 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: kind of rocky of the school meal with the heavy metal. 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: I think it would just be rock, classic rock, classic rock. 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean we did loads of songs and loads of 69 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: different things, but we ended up on that song. And 70 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: it was purely by by by accident with having Chris 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: Stapleton and he just seemed the most interesting. So nobody said, hey, 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: we should do a rock song. It was just no, well, 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: I mean Chris, Chris had the riff. Chris was there 74 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: and then what was it? And he had he played 75 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: it's the riff, which is and then we were like, oh, 76 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: let's let's write write a song about that. Bruno took 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: it away and unbeknownst to me, him and Chris had 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: got together and fun with it a lot. Throughout throughout 79 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: my whole career, I've never had an excuse to get 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: a band, And now that's an excuse to maybe tour 81 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: with the bands, because I think play playing that live 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: would be different level. I've seen you live a couple 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: of times. That wouldn't be difficult for you on stage 84 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: with just the guitar. You think you can pull it off. 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Oh well, I had an idea to do both. I 86 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: think you know, people like my loop pedal and no 87 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: one's seen with a band, and I think you could 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: have a show that incorporate I think it's time to 89 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: have a show that incorporates both of them personally. I 90 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: want to be normal Bruner because I feel like y'all 91 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: have had a similar payers. I remember Bruno in twenty ten, 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: but I opened up for him at iTunes Festival, Yeah, 93 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and then I don't know, we just 94 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: we just hung out. I went and guested with him 95 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: a couple of times on tour, Like we've had nights 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: out together. It seems like you'll had an organic chemistry together. Yeah. Well, 97 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean he's a phenomenal writer. Phenomenal writer. I mean 98 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: he's written so many others like he did to see 99 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: Tho Green, Fuck You, and like God, I don't know. 100 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, Bruno's just like he's just a talented writer, 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: and he's so musically talent. He's played every every instrument 102 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: on that but Jones played the bass, played the guitar. 103 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Like he's like different level in the studio you really 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: respect for I write at the mote like it's like 105 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: the same thing you were listening to Howard Stern yesterday, 106 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: And Howard Stern is like one of the greatest radio personalities. 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: You've got to You've got to. You've got to look 108 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: at your peers and the people you look up to, 109 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I have a great respect of people 110 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: that can do things that I can't do. When I 111 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: was shocked to find out that you get no help 112 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: with your writing, like you write everything yourself lyrically, Yes, 113 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: but I think I need a lot of help with 114 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: production and making songs, you know. And there'll be songs 115 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: like the A Team and Perfects and stuff like that 116 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: that I'll just go in and I'd do a one 117 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: hundred percent myself. Whereas there'll be a song like Goalway Girl, 118 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: which is quite a collaborative thing. I'll go in with 119 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: a folk band and then we'll all write it together 120 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: with the folk band, but I would write the lyrics 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: for that and then it would be shaped in it. Basically, 122 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: did you look you look at other eithers different when 123 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: you find out the radio stuff, only if they have 124 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. I just find I'm just 125 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of need to write songs to make me feel 126 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: better about myself. You get out all your demons in 127 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: music and then it kind of clears out your head. 128 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: It's it's like it's exactly therapy I saw Elton john 129 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: car you want to like one of the best song 130 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: writer of this generation. It's very kind of I don't know, 131 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: I like writing songs, but I feel like I'm improving 132 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: day by day by going in the studio people like 133 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton and Bruno Mars. You're just expanding your palette 134 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: and learning new things. I think you're growing by just 135 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: living life like order. You get the more experience as 136 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: you get, but you can't you can't. You can't become 137 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: better unless you around people who can teach you things. 138 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: If I just worked in this studio, things would start 139 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: sounding a bit stale after a while. Which is what's 140 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: so great about doing this collaborations project is I've worked 141 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: with so many different people and seeing how like Bruno's 142 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: process versus Travis Scott's process versus Chances process, we'll get 143 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: we'll get onto it. But he literally puts a mike 144 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: up and he just has the verse repeating, and he's 145 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: just there in the studio and it's kind of starts 146 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: off as a mumble and then like words go in 147 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: every now and then, and then like the first sentence 148 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: is done, but the rest of mumble and he'll just 149 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: do it over and over and over again, and then 150 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the verse has done. The most amazing thing I've seen 151 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: people do it line by line, but in terms of 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: like he's memorizing all his mumbles and the cadence of 153 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: the mumbles, and then thinking of the lines, and then 154 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: memorizing the first lines and then getting totin like there 155 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: was no point that he stopped. It was just two 156 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: hours of that and then the verse was done, which 157 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: was a completely different thing for me to see. So 158 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm learning stuff like that every day and since then 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: have tried that, tried putting putting, I mean I can't 160 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: do it yet, but putting songs together where you find 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: a melody and then you mumble the words and keep going, 162 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: keep going, and then it starts to fit. So it's 163 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: like learning stuff every day from people. So what do 164 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: you learn from Bruno? So as you look at him 165 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: as another amazing songwriter, or there any tricks you got 166 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: from him and it could make you better. We kind 167 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: of have the same approach for a lot of things. 168 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, you throw a lot of ideas at the wall. 169 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: His ideas are just different to mine. When I was 170 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: in there, he was like, look, the reason we're working 171 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: together is we're both trying to get something from each other. 172 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: And if you just play the usual cause that you do, 173 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: you might as well just be working on your own. 174 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So what would work as your melodies and lyrics over this? 175 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: And then if you have some chords that will go 176 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: over this, then my melodies and lyrics go over this, 177 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: and then that's what makes it interesting. So that chorus 178 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: on the Blow song is you know, a mixture of Chris, 179 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: a mixture of me, and a mixture of Bruno and 180 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: it all kind of came together like that. Basically, do 181 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: you find yourself battling battling him? Oh yeah, massively? Yeah, yeah, 182 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: that make the amount of arguments, which is kind of like, 183 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, I think at the time he might. I 184 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: think he had two Diamond singles at that point and 185 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I had one and he and he was just like, 186 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: but I've got two diamond singles and like it. They'd 187 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: be kind of like back and forth like that, and 188 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: then the next time I went in with him, I've 189 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: got two as well. So we've kind of had a 190 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: battle on that front for US world pop star problems, 191 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and what's the next South of the Border. 192 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Why why did you pick those two young ladies to 193 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: collab on network. I've always wanted to make a song 194 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: with Hardi Bi Cardi b just personality wise, even even 195 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: if you just had a talking on the song, like 196 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: I've just I love her, Cherry's obsessed with her. She's 197 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: just I've got some meter review times. She's very animated, 198 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: very lovely, and so that. Yeah, I always wanted her 199 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: on a record. But I met comed in twenty thirteen 200 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: at the VMA's when she was in Fifth Harmony. We've 201 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: kind of always kept in touch and she's I don't 202 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: know if you've met her, but she's very, very very sweet, 203 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: very very nice. It has a Latin flavor, you could 204 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: say that, yeah, you know she's from Cuba. She speaks 205 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: fluent Spanish and Cardi's Dominican. Yes, yeah, And I just 206 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: felt like it was it was a good, good mix. 207 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 1: Does since since you and Bruno have such a friendly competition, 208 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: when you see him have these records with Cardi, you know, 209 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: does that make you want to do that type of collabiration. 210 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: I definitely saw the Finesse tune and like was like, wow, man, God, 211 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: I wish I had done that, but then I couldn't 212 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: have done it. I can't dance like that, dude. It's 213 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: just it would have been weird. It would have been 214 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: a weird thing. So I feel like that is me, 215 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: and I like Bruno does his thing with Cardi, but 216 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: then Cardi's like Cardi's on a lot of records. She's 217 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: just you know, I like Bruno doing really well because 218 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: it spurs me on to do really well. Hopefully if 219 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: I do well, it spurs him on. It's not like 220 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: there's never a vindictiveness in it. It's just like, oh shit, 221 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: he's doing that. I should I should work harder and 222 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: do this, rather than a like I want to be 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: doing better than you. You and Cardie got similar energies 224 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: to her because Cardi is authentically herself and you're authentically yourself. 225 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: You think that's why you gravity toward Yeah, I mean, 226 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: I just I love how unfiltered she is. You know, 227 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: she literally she's me so media trained not to be 228 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: media trained. You know, like her whole stick is she 229 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: goes on and says whatever she wants and that is 230 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: what works for her, whereas I never had a media 231 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: training either. And I feel like I get to just 232 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: say what I want, and she's successful because she is 233 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: who she is. She's there's no one else that can 234 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: be Cardi B. And there's going to be countless people 235 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: now that try to be Yeah, she had had her 236 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: success and it's going to be fake. Yeah. I feel 237 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: like I was trying to be fake real and you're 238 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: trying to be fake authentically. Yeah, trying to be fake 239 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: cut yeah, yeah, yeah. What's next next is the chance 240 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: to refer from P and B rock song about that's 241 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: my scene. That's all the snow. If you cross hard 242 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: and you cross me cross I made you want to 243 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: get a chance? You want to record a bunch of lady. 244 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: You can just tell just from the way that he 245 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: his approach was to it. His whole verse was like 246 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: this that line we were talking about yesterday, They never 247 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: say hi to me without her Like it's just like 248 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: there's just a you can't teach that level of respect. 249 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: He's obviously brought up with a very very strong, loving mother, 250 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: you know, and probably with a lot of women around him, 251 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's good. I'll play you what we 252 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: what we actually got the sample from, because it's a 253 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: P and B sample, it's a P and B rock sample. Yeah, 254 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: so freestyle, how is it anything she needs? She can 255 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: call me, don't worry about it. That's my scene of 256 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: that saw me to snow. If you cast her and 257 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: you cost me up. P and B made it a 258 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: hot line. You made it a hot song. That's hard. 259 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: You said it's hard to right about. No, it's easier 260 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: to write about heartbreak than it is about love. But 261 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: I feel like you captured well. No, I don't know. 262 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I think it's easier to write multiple songs about heartbreak. 263 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like to find the right 264 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: fucking angle to write a love song about, which isn't 265 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: just you make me feel this way, and it's like 266 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: find it. It's about finding different angles. Now, for me, 267 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: it's not about I've done thinking out loud, I've done perfect, 268 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: I've done the the love songs about finding different angles. 269 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Now to do that, that's a different type of love song, 270 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that's expressed in love nicely, and I 271 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: think I think my view of it is that because 272 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: it has so many ups and downs in the song, 273 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's the bit where it just cuts out 274 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and then just suddenly you and your girl everyone will 275 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: be doing that. I think it'd be fun. What was 276 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: your lady's reaction when she heard that song? Just say, finally, finally, 277 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: you didn't make a depressing song about me, something we 278 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: can dance to. Yeah. No, she likes it. She likes 279 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: a lot she but she likes um. I think she 280 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: likes the message of it because it's quite. It's quite. 281 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: It makes her feel like badass as well. You know 282 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: you you originally hear the song and it's it sounds 283 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: like it's me being like, I'm going to be protective, 284 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: but actually it's a scaring people might try right now 285 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: because you've got her artist looking like a tough guy. No, 286 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: because you know I'm not. I'm not a tough guy. 287 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: But I've got a security guy. Hey, you know he's 288 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: he's grumpy, so he's going away. What's next? The stormsy 289 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: one to the Sky. Yeah. Yeah, you're such an intriguing 290 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: artist because you perhaps sing R and B, but it 291 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: seems like UK rap has influenced you just as much 292 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: as all that other stuff. Yeah. Well, I think I 293 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: think rap in general, but UK rap was you know, 294 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: the first bit intro for me into this was me 295 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: doing that collaborations thing. And I've been working with UK 296 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: artists since since since then, you know, we've kind of 297 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: been friends for a very very long time, but never 298 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: really worked together. He did he remake Shape of You 299 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: for me, but never really worked together on a song. 300 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: Everything happens for a reason, and I feel like this 301 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: happened for a reason. What's the next next is the 302 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: y ever tune, which I'd like to say. I played 303 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: this to Charlemagne yesterday and I played him yeb just 304 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: just before I played in the song called Evergreen, and 305 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: he was obviously blown away because she's amazing. But then 306 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: I do my verse on this song. He's like, I 307 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: can tell she's just going to come and body you 308 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: about the body, and I was right. She bodied you 309 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: on this record. And this is why you're doing the interview, 310 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: because you're honest. My lungs black, my hardest, pure god, 311 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: we did that here actually really, Yeah, thank you for 312 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: introducing me to Hurry Yabba. She's phenomenal and she boded 313 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: you on that record. Thank you. But you know that, 314 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Like that's right. But I think, as I said to 315 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: you when the song was playing, you should only be 316 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: working with people that you think are better than you, 317 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: so it helps you grow as a person. Like when 318 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: I the song wo Beyonce, she definitely bodied me on 319 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: that did the song with hell like he definitely like 320 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: these people are the peak of their game. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, perfect as a lord. Debatable. That was a 322 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: good back and forth. Oh, I mean that was This 323 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: is a good back and forth too. But you know, yeah, 324 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, I'm not I don't 325 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: want to do I don't want to I don't want 326 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: to have a feature that isn't amazing. She hit a 327 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: note on there. I'm like, I don't even know what 328 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: there was. Yeah, it sound like you could have been 329 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: like some offects on or something like. Yeah. But like 330 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: if like if that had you know, someone that it 331 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: didn't compliment it, I don't know. I feel like it 332 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: if you have a song that you think is good 333 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: and you put someone that you think is amazing, it 334 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: instantly makes the song incredible. So yeah, it was. I 335 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: had taken her on tour in twenty seventeen, so we 336 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: were in touch anyway, and she came to see my 337 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Wembley show recently and we reconnected there and we've been 338 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: on email and she sent me demos of her songs 339 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: that I've listened to and stuff like that, so we've 340 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: always we've always had a really cool relationship. I got 341 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: on the phone with her one day and I was like, 342 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: I have the song, send it to her. She sent 343 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: back her verse and then and then I was like, 344 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: we have to get in and make sure that the 345 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: chorus lifts and we can sing it to and it 346 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: sounds like we've actually been in the same room and 347 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: made it. Something like that you can't really make remotely. 348 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: You have to be in the same room. Sometimes I 349 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: play people artists and some people will be like, oh 350 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: my god, been the best thing the world, and some 351 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: people like I just don't get it. But there's no 352 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: one that doesn't get her. It's so easy to get. 353 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: It's just like, Wow, she's incredibly talented. Yeah, I mean 354 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: people like her just let me know that. It's just 355 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: a matter of timing, because you know, you know, when 356 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: when you put me on her and I pulled it 357 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: over Green on Instagram, the people in my comments like, oh, 358 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: you're late. Oh I listened to that song a lot 359 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, but there's but there's late, and there's 360 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: there's late, like there's you know, there's people that would 361 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: have been on Travis Scott from the very, very very beginning. 362 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: You know that would be like, oh, you're late if 363 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: you got into him at goosebumps or whatever. It's so 364 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: I think you know you can't be there from the beginning. 365 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Was she willing to be as open as you were? 366 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Did you have to kind of like push her? Yeah? 367 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: Well I said it. I said it on on on 368 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: the phone. I said, like for me, for me, I 369 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: was writing stuff that was embarrassing to me, you know, 370 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: my deepest secrets that And I said, if you're if, 371 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: if you're going to write it, just make sure that 372 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: if each line is uncomfortable for you to write, we 373 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: will be like, oh gosh, I'll be telling people this. 374 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: That's the kind of vibe I wants you to have. It. 375 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: Is it healthy to think that the best of you 376 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: is another person? Though maybe not, but I'm sure you 377 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: think some of the best parts of you were your wife, 378 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's it might it might not be healthy, 379 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's a human flaw. But to 380 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: be like, like I'm constantly wake up every day with 381 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: Cherry and I'm just like, why the fuck are you 382 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: with me? Like you could be you literally be with 383 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: who who, whoever you want to You've chosen, You've chosen me, 384 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: And like I'm saying, all of the things that I 385 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: think are wrong with me, but you still want to 386 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: be with me. And I just find that amazing. But 387 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: doesn't they keep you in a content state of anxiety, 388 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: like constantly questioning whether or not no, no, because no, 389 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: because she doesn't she doesn't add fuel to the flame. 390 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: I think. I think I think if she was like, well, yeah, why, 391 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: then then you get anxiety. But I think it's quite 392 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: a sweet thing to I think it's quite sweet to 393 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: always think that the person you're with is out of 394 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: your league. Imagine imagine if you were like with your wife, like, yeah, 395 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: you're with me because I'm fucking amazing. Like it's like, 396 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: it's it's quite a sweet thing. It keeps you on 397 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: your tools. Yeah, and you don't ever take it from granted. Yeah, mate, 398 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: And that's the way. That would be the worst thing, 399 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: to just just be Yeah, to take it for granted. 400 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: And I tour a lot. I spend a lot of 401 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: time on the road, and I think I have to 402 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: go on the road and have this belief that you know, 403 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: with this is meant to be what's next eminem fifty cent? 404 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Remember the name? Yeah, I work wanted to make it 405 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: big ship. When you know a record is completely done, 406 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't if you know. If it's up to me, 407 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: I keep I'll keep tweaking it. It's weird, like the 408 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: musical side of it. If it sounds good, it's done. 409 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Like for me, like even if the guitar is like 410 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: slightly out of tune, or like the vocals are a 411 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: bit rough, Like, if it sounds good, it's done. But 412 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to mixing, it's just I don't know. 413 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: You have to listen to it on so many different speakers. 414 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: So we've got like two different speakers here, and then 415 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I'll usually do a mix on like just regular headphones. 416 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: I want it to be good on so many different things, 417 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: Like it could sound amazing and hearing you take it 418 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: in the car and it's all kind of so yeah, 419 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: that's when you don't know it's done. But usually the 420 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: deadline comes and then someone takes and it comes up. 421 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: I feel like that record is like a childhood dreamy 422 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: or like the Pub is the Pub in New York. 423 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: I had two songs I always wanted to do with Eminem. 424 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: I was like, if I ever get to work with Eminem, 425 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: that's two songs I want to do, and it's one's 426 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: like an introspective storytelling one and one is something that's 427 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: kind of is more of a nod towards some of 428 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: the cheekier songs on the Marshal Mathers LP or like 429 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: the Eminem Show. And I was like, when I when 430 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: I when I work, when I work with him, because 431 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, it's always going to happen. 432 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: I've just gotta wait. I'll do those two songs. And 433 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: one led to the other. So I did the River 434 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: Song with him for the Revival record, and then through 435 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: that got to know him and then I was able 436 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: to sit down with him and Detroit and approach him 437 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: with this song and it didn't feel weird. And now 438 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: and now I feel like I've ticked my two boxes. 439 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: It feels yeah, it feels good. And you're verse you 440 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: talk about people will en being your private leves. You 441 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: started to go a little Eminem on the blogs on 442 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: ever just a little bit. It was actually before me 443 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: and Cherry got married, and I knew that we'd be 444 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: married by the point that the song came out and 445 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: so I said, watch how the lyrics might get twisted. 446 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: My wife always read the looks better without the lipstick. 447 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: And I was just like, someone's going to hear that 448 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: they're married, and I didn't know how that would be construed, 449 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: but obviously it's already come out. The other thing I 450 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: think it's funny, is I say I mentioned Ipswich in it, 451 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: which is a town near here, which is like Eminem 452 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: would never ever know ways, which is so to be 453 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: able to have a song with Eminem and fifty cent 454 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: and the first line is yeah, yeah, I was born 455 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: just to be able to have that. Just like whenever 456 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: I go to Ipswich now, they'll just be someone will 457 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: be like thanks, man. That's how it is in America. 458 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: If you shout out a certain compute or a certain hood, 459 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: they'd be like, yeah, oh good lookers. Was the same 460 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: thing over here. Yeah, And I mean, you know, there's 461 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: only there's only a few musicians that have ever come 462 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: out of Suffolk as a county. The whole county let alone, 463 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: shouted out Ipswich. So I feel like it's so you're 464 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: get free fish and chips Inwitch. I'd never get that. 465 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: They'd be like, you can afford it made. So I 466 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: made that song in Sweden with Max Martin, who's a 467 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: who's a really big songwriter producer, and I was writing 468 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: my verse and then cheekly at the end of it, 469 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: I just said, right, Max, I want to like, I 470 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: want to wish this into existence, like it's um listen 471 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: to my vestigating I would work. Yeah, I wanted to 472 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end of the verse, 473 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: I said, I want way more than I've already got 474 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: to give me a song with Eminem and fifty cent. 475 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: And I said to Max, I was like, I'm going, 476 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to London tomorrow to go and guest with Eminem, 477 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: so I'll ask him about the tune then and see 478 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: if he can get fifty cent on it. And I 479 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: walked in Eminem's dressing room and it's him in fifty 480 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: cent in there, and I was like, this, this has 481 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: to be, has to be meant to be. I think 482 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: they were quite they were quite weird about it because 483 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I was like, do you believe in fate and was 484 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: trying to make decision. Yeah, you know, I did walk 485 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: in and I was like, look, I'm I'm a great 486 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: believer of things. Things are meant to be the way 487 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: they're meant to be, because that like, you can't you 488 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: can't get to my stage in my career and think 489 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: that it's all down to some like just hard work 490 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: or just this like this definitely definitely things that I 491 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: was in the right place at the right time and 492 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: this and that. So it was actually quite a cool 493 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: meeting because I played him the song and I thought 494 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: we'd record it then, but he was just like, leave it, 495 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: leave it with me, because he writes and writes and 496 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: writes and writes and goes over. So we just sat 497 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: and chop. It was the day after Kamakazi had come out, 498 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: and no one knew it was coming out, and then 499 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: suddenly it came out and I was like, fuck, I'm 500 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: seeing him tomorrow. I get to kind of like talk 501 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: to him about it. Ya ya, y'all got a lot 502 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: of similarities in a weirdo because I really relate to 503 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: him and we have such different backgrounds, but I really 504 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: relate to him, and even even even even more so now, 505 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: like as a kid, I related to him just because 506 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: I felt like a bit of an outcast. But even 507 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: even now, like the way that we've we've both stuck 508 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: in our hometowns. We both we both live here. We 509 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: both got to a level where it's you're so famous 510 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: you cannot go outside, and so you have to kind 511 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: of live in your little compound. And having a conversation 512 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: with him about it and how he tours now, and 513 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm kind of looking at the way he 514 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: does things, being like, that's how I should do it. 515 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: When I'm like, because he's got kids and stuff, and 516 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: he's a very very good father and he's there the 517 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: whole time. But my greatest fear is not raising my 518 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: kids because I'm constantly on tour. So what he does 519 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: is he makes an album and then he goes out 520 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: and does like a month of touring, and then he 521 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: comes back home and then that's that's it. And I 522 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: can talk to him on a level and he can 523 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: understand where I'm coming from, and I can understand where 524 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: he's coming from. But yeah, that's how I'm menting on 525 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the same where you just described it defective if you 526 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: are still in your hometown. Yeah, And it's like a 527 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: level of self isolation, you know what i mean. Jerry's 528 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: trying to get me away from it. She's scared that 529 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: like the pub and the cinema, and like, just I 530 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: just I've like made it that my friends just can 531 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: come here out rather than me going out. So Cherry's 532 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: always trying to get me to go out more and more, 533 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: but it just gets to take her out in time 534 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: and let her, let her get mobbed, and then she'll 535 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: be like, you know, she's seen it, she's seen it, 536 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: and she doesn't she doesn't obviously doesn't like it, but 537 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 1: she's like, it's not healthy to do this. So how 538 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: do you stay at all? What's going on? Because like 539 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: your music, doesn't that sound like you're I listened to 540 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: your show every single day stuff like that. I read 541 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: the news every single day. I like keep I keep 542 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: up to date. I'm just I don't know. I lost 543 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: the ability to be able to go out to a 544 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: supermarket and buy a loaf of bread about not even 545 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: that long ago, like three years ago, and it's just 546 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: it's just different now there's certain places I can go. 547 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: That's why I live here, Like people around here treat 548 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: me pretty normally. But like London, because it's London such 549 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: a melting pot of so many different people, it's like 550 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: you can never sort of preempst what people are going 551 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: to be like. It was definitely very, very fun to 552 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: work with Eminem. Again, if you could have told twelve 553 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: year old me I would rap on a song with 554 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: Eminem when I was older, Like, you know, so many 555 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: people say that I can't rap, but I'm allowed on 556 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: a song with Eminem and fifty cent rappers, So like, 557 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: why does it matter twelve year old you was now 558 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old. Juice of this still around all 559 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: as you a later. Yeah, I've played as people of 560 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: my generation who have that, Like Shade Records was just 561 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: us when we were like fourteen, We were just obsessed 562 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: with it. So playing that to like my best friends 563 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: now are all excited about it, But there'll be people 564 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: from your generation. They're excited about it, and they're people 565 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: from a completely different generation who maybe haven't they're not 566 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: really that aware of it, but maybe they've heard Shape 567 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: of You and like Shape of You that will listen 568 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: to this project have a different impact on somebody that's 569 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: my age or because I'm thinking, damn, fifteen, am I 570 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: such an underrated combination because you start thinking about like 571 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: patiently waiting, you know what I mean, all the songs 572 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: that they've done together and you're like, okay, I like 573 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: hearing that was why I really really wanted to get 574 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: the two of them. I could have just done that 575 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: with with them, but it was like, I mean, the 576 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: hook that I wrote is so fifty cents. It just 577 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: had to it had to be the had to be 578 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: that one thing that's not missing the doctor Dre dramas 579 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: with I know, I just think it's weird to go 580 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: with someone with a complete track and just be like, 581 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: please just put your name to I think if Dr 582 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: J does end up watching this, which who knows if 583 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: if if he will, but like, he is someone I 584 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: would love to work with, and I wouldn't feel comfortable 585 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: being like, here's a song, put your name to it. 586 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: I'd want to go in and create a song. Bible 587 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: record a lot of tool at a party. I don't 588 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: want to be and I don't ever wear. What made 589 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: you want to reach under Bible? Right now? Bieber just 590 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: got married. I just got married. That song is about 591 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: being at industry event with the woman you love, or 592 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: even put the person you love and kind of being like, 593 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: fuck this, let's just have fun ourselves. And I was 594 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: like it was actually Cherry's idea because she was. She 595 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: was like, oh, why don't you get Bieber? Like perfect 596 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: for this fits it? And you know, I have quite 597 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: a good relationship with him. I met him at Ze 598 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: one hundred thing. He came up and said, oh, I'm 599 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: a big fan, and I was like, wow, have you 600 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: heard my music? So we kept in touch. I wrote 601 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: some songs for him and with him for his project. 602 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, we've just hung out a bunch of times. 603 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: I want to I want to work with Bieber. He's 604 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: got one of these voices that just works on anything, 605 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: and he's got personality on when he thinks. Were you 606 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: ever a social person? Because it seems like you're a 607 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: social which you only getting antisocial industry functions. So I 608 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: used to be super social industry functions I used my 609 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: My hobby was to go out to things and meet 610 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: people that I admired and then go out and drink 611 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: with them and end up at a bar. That was 612 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: not my favorite thing to do. So you know, I 613 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: kind of like ended up meeting all all my musical 614 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: heroes and go out to bars with them and having 615 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: fun with them. And then it's just now when I 616 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: go to these events, it's I just have social anxiety. 617 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: I just can't. I hate large groups of people, which 618 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: I run it because I played shows for a living, 619 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: but I just don't. I feel claustrophobic and I don't 620 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: like being around too many people. You think people it's 621 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: because you are a sharing and people demand too much 622 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, but it isn't even that. I don't 623 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: even mind talking to people. I have no problem with 624 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: having a conversation with people. It's just when people like 625 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: film me and shit and just kind of stare at me, 626 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: it's just makes me feel weird because it makes me 627 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: feel like I'm not human. You coming up and having 628 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: a conversation with me makes me feel human, even if 629 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: we've never met, even if you just come up. And 630 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: the thing that instantly shuts me off is having a 631 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: moment like that with someone that's so human and so 632 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: nice and at the end being like, oh but I 633 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: can have a picture, and it's like it kind of 634 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: then puts you back down to earth and it now 635 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: then you're just you're just that. You're literally just fifteen 636 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: lights on Instagram and you're that's that's what you are. 637 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if the conversation Yea we're having 638 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: was even yeah, because sometimes sometimes I have these conversations 639 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: with people in this where was it? I was it 640 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: a Marilyn Manson show and this guy just came up 641 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: to me and he literally just shook my hand and 642 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: when I like your music man, and then just and 643 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was like such a short 644 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: thing and such a simple thing, but that meant so much. Yeah, 645 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: So I think I get kind of anxiety because you know, 646 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: if I was eating in a restaurant now, it's I 647 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: would prefer to have a private room because if I'm 648 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: eating in the room with everyone, I get people filming 649 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: me eat my food while I'm with my wife. It's 650 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: just I've just find it. But it's a bit. It's 651 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: you feel you feel like a zoo animal, and I don't. 652 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be like complaining because I have 653 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: a very very cool job and life, but if I 654 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: can avoid it, I will. Yeah. I wouldn't want nobody 655 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: to record you eating fish and chips because let me 656 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: feel like able, but you eat like one as well, 657 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. If you could have the success 658 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: without the theme, you would would you take that? I 659 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: think my success has happened because I'm so recognizable you know, 660 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: it's like I make good well I think i'll make 661 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: good music, but I make people that music that people like. 662 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: But you can, you can remember who I am, and 663 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: it's something in my own fucking fault as well. Look 664 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: at all these tattoos I've got, and then I start 665 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: wearing glasses again, and then that's just another thing to 666 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: make me more more recognizable. So I definitely don't help 667 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: myself in that. What's the next song, my brother? The 668 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: next song is called Antisocial and it's the Travis Scott one. 669 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: It sounds cleaner, don't touch me? What's that recond about? It? 670 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: Sound self explainatory, but probably what we were talking about earlier, 671 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: having the anxiety of being in clubs. How often do 672 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: you get in the more you don't want to be 673 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: bothered every day every day? So I live here every 674 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: single day. I live here. Yeah, but when you go out, 675 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: you know that I'm Mary. Yeah. No, when I like, 676 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: I just have to be in a frame of mind, 677 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: like when I go to an award show, I'm like, 678 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: right today, like it's just happening, Like I'm not I'm 679 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: not going to get angry anxiety because this just has 680 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: to happen today I don't know if it just creeps 681 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: up on you and then it's just there the hat 682 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: load or signal to people that you don't want to 683 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: be bothered, that you letting them know, like, oh dude, 684 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: you see me out of my hadlaw. Well, that's what 685 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, 686 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good signal, and that's like you should. Yeah, 687 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: but I don't really I don't really go out to 688 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: clubs anyway. I used to when you know, Cherry used 689 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: to live in New York, so I used to live 690 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the Inner Apartment and we used to go out like 691 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: most most nights. But it was different then as well. 692 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: Shape of You brought me to a different level of fame. 693 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Like I thought. I thought I was like at my peak, 694 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: and then suddenly it was like a completely different world. 695 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: It's the world of your Beyonce's and your jay Z's 696 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: and your Dell's and it's just to suddenly there's so 697 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: much interest. You know, how hard did to protect your energy? 698 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you, your your mental world, being your 699 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: your mental speech. Well I found, I find, I find 700 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: I've been working on it for the past eight eight years, 701 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and whether whether it be getting rid of a phone 702 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: and only answering emails like you know, twice a day, 703 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: or whether it's like cutting down my friendship group to 704 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the bare, bare, bare minimum just so I trust everyone, 705 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: or whether it's living in the countryside in the middle 706 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: of nowhere and kind of closed off a bit from reality. 707 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: I think all of these little things are in place 708 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: to protect this. I think my mind and it's all working. 709 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: I think it's all working. I think if I lived 710 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: in central central London in less Less Square or Mayfair 711 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: or something like that, and then hanging out with people 712 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: that I'm not really sure whether they're friends with me 713 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: for who I am or who I am you know, 714 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: or you'll never you'll never know a death fields like again, 715 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: especially with the new people that are coming to your life. 716 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: You'll never know of there like you y like, yeah, 717 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: but I don't ever really let people. I like, I 718 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: like let people in from a from a let's like 719 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: hang out out place like that. You know, these these 720 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: boys have come to film now when we hung out 721 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: in the pub yesterday, like there's there's letting in and 722 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: there's there's letting in. You know, when you had that 723 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: conversation with Travis about their record. Did he understand where 724 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: he was coming from the hall? Yeah, because I think 725 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: he he has it and here we're talking about it. 726 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: I think he's very lucky with you know, the girl 727 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: that he's with. He says that, you know that they 728 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: have a similar thing where they just have their little 729 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: little circle, but he's with the biggest. Yeah. But I 730 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I think in the world almost Yeah, but 731 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: I think they're all different on they they all want 732 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: different things. Um, yeah, I don't really know. I didn't 733 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: really know. But he he struck me as someone that 734 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I had a lot of comment in common with. Basically, 735 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't He doesn't seem to me to 736 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: be the type of person that's chasing fame. I think 737 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: it's all it's all to better himself as an artist. 738 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: What's the next record? Next record is Beautiful People, Beautiful 739 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: People featuring a lad Well. Why could lead for this 740 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: particular regged you don't think he's a beautiful person? No, 741 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: he didn't know. I mean a couple of reasons. His 742 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: voice is so crisp and warm and soulful, but in 743 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: a very weird way. He's got he's got runs that 744 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: aren't soul runs. He's got runs that are more folk music. 745 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: Like he kind of he kind of he's a soul 746 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: singer who sings like a folk artist is It's a 747 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: very he sings in a very unique way. But that 748 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: song for me is warmth. It just feels cozy, and 749 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: that sounds weird to say. His voice is cozy as well, 750 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: but that was like my initial thing. He's definitely the 751 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: same as me. He doesn't really strike me as someone 752 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: who's glitz and glam. Well, how unhappy were you living 753 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: in early Miserable? I hated it. I hated it. Yeah, 754 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm now like I like going to LA because I 755 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: go in for like three days and I see people 756 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: I love and then I'm gone. But it's the same everywhere. 757 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Like I was miserable when I lived in New York 758 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: as well, because it's just I just have to be home. 759 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: It's like there's a book. There's a book that I 760 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: read called His Dark Materials, and it's about parallel worlds 761 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: and you basically there's this guy that has ane that 762 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: can cut into other worlds and his dad's discovered the 763 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: worlds before him, and his dad ended up dying because 764 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: he was away from his world for so long and 765 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: it justly drained him being in this other world. And 766 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: for me, it's like being in not just England, but 767 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: being in Suffolk just keeps my Even on tour, I'll 768 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: like come back here and I'll feel revitalized and just 769 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not American. I don't belong in America. 770 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: Just like you, living here, you'd probably get sad at 771 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: some point and be like, I need to go back 772 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: to Carolina, or I need to go back to Jack. 773 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Get fair as hurl him in here between all the 774 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: beer and the fish and chips. I'm fair as fuck. 775 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment where you felt like you 776 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: were about to conform and become one of the beautiful people? 777 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: I definitely did, though, I definitely did for like, yeah, 778 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: for like six months, I was that was it. I 779 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: was in and I was hanging out with fucking people 780 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: that were on Disney shows once upon a time, and 781 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: we were like, you know, hanging out in backyards. Every day. 782 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: I'd meet someone new and I'd be like, oh, this 783 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: is so and so who was on this movie? And 784 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: then so and so who did this song? And just 785 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: I don't know you kind of you kind of get 786 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: sucked up in that world and there's always a different 787 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: event to go to. You go to one Oak, or 788 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: you go to fucking is it beatsy bellows, and there's 789 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: there's always something on and it's just that every single day, 790 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: every single day, and it just I just felt myself 791 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: getting a bit drained from it. Why are they hard 792 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: for people to be themselves in the industry? And does 793 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: the industry allowed it? Yes, it does, yeah, but you 794 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: have to have success being yourself. So it's quite easy 795 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: for me to be myself because I've been every every 796 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: step of the way, every time i'd be myself, I've 797 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 1: had success in it. But I think it's hard when 798 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: you've had a lot of success musically, maybe doing something 799 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: that you didn't leave in one hundred percent. You know, 800 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: sometimes the success that you find isn't actually you being yourself. 801 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: But also I think it's the fake it till you 802 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: make your attitude of if you let people think you're successful, 803 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: then you will eventually become successful, but you have to 804 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: really put that on. I think I just think being 805 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: yourself is so powerful and I feel like a beautiful 806 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: person without sounding weird about it, but because of it. 807 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: I have now a confidence in myself because because of 808 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: being myself, all of these great things have happened. So 809 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: now I can I can walk into it an awards 810 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: show addressed however I want, and be super confident about 811 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: it because it's like I've I've done what I because 812 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: to achieved without compromising. Imagine like when you were standing 813 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: next to Beyonce thege performing perfit great moment in Johannesburg. 814 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: If you if you're paying attention to what you should 815 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: actually be painting attile, which is just a talent, You're like, damn, 816 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: that was a great due. But then you go look 817 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: online everybody's clowning you because how you looked standing next 818 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: to her what you were wearing. Well, well, I know, 819 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: but I think the main argument was just men and 820 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: women's stands standards being held. The main thing was just like, 821 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: look at this, He's allowed to wear that and she 822 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: is allowed to wear that, when really what they should 823 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: have been saying is like they've both made a choice 824 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: to do this, like Beyonce and wear whatever the hell 825 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: she wants, and I can wear whatever the hell I want, 826 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: and that is because we've we've worked to be where 827 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: we are to be able to do that. I quite 828 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: I quite liked that. I found that quite quite funny 829 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: because it was it was ridiculous. You look at it 830 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, actually that's pretty weird. And like 831 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: the skate company that I was wearing the T shirt 832 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: off were like really excited about it because it was 833 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: on every single blog in the world and they were 834 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: having people by the T shirt. They wanted to send 835 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: one to Beyonce, but I was like, I don't know 836 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: if she'd I always say this is the kids that 837 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: get meet. A lot of kids and their dads are like, 838 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: they're going through a tough time at school, and I'm like, 839 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: although it's like super tough. Now, that's the best thing 840 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: that can happen for you. If you fit in. You're 841 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: just boring, you know, you're just you're just one of 842 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: many people. If you're like there was this one kid 843 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: the other day and she was like proper out there, 844 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: proper quirky, and I was like, you're going to be 845 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: such an interesting adult and you're going to do such 846 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: an interesting job because you're you're allowed to be artistic 847 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: and don't let anyone fucking dim your light, like you 848 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: should always shine as as as bright as that. But 849 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: it's about instilling confidence in people. And I think me 850 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: having success, I can say to her, look, I was 851 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: really weird and I've managed to have success. So if 852 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: you just carry on doing you you're you're you're going 853 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: to have the same thing. Yeah, it's like wife been 854 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: in when you're born to stand out. Like That's why 855 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: I feel like all of us have our very own 856 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: unique DNA. They can't be duplicated. There's there's no one 857 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: in the world that can do what you do, but 858 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: there is someone in the world that's going to try 859 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: and they're going to fail because they should be doing 860 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: what they do best. Absolutely. So the next song is 861 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't want your money with her? Fuck your money? 862 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: You really wash your time slicely Yeah, And I find 863 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: myself always always thinking like why I'm out on the 864 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: road as much as I am, and now I always 865 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: come back to the conclusion is because I love it. 866 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's some something has to give, 867 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm starting starting a life with Cherry 868 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not twenty anymore. I can't go on the 869 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: road for three years and not come home. Do you 870 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: have guilt? Because you're not around, no, because I think 871 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's unhealthy because I'm only 872 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: not around because I'm living my dream trying to achieve, 873 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: And I think it's unhealthy to feel guilty about wanting success. 874 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: But I definitely I feel like I'm missing out. I don't. 875 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: I think there's not so much guilt and that, but 876 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I'm missing out on a lot 877 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: of things. You know, But it wasn't just with when 878 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: I was with Cherry. It was like I missed like everything, 879 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: go one of my friend's birthday parties or events or 880 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: New Years or stuff stuff like that. So I feel 881 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: like parents getting older. Yeah, well, actually I mean saying 882 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: that like that my success has allowed them to slow down. 883 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: And you know, my dad doesn't work anymore and he 884 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: can come out and talk. I actually had more quality 885 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: time with my dad now because it's allowed that to happen. 886 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: At what point did you realize it wasn't about money, 887 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,479 Speaker 1: it was about you know, your time? At what point 888 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: did you realize that sounds a bit ridiculous. But when 889 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: you discover something like a private jet and you're like, 890 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: I can buy another day with Cherry, I could I 891 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: can wait till tomorrow and fly home at five pm. 892 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: Or I can book a jet now and I can 893 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: fly home and I can gain an entire day. When 894 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: when I was like, money isn't the object, but time 895 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, I'd rather I'd rather spend more time 896 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: with you than save more money. Basically, if other ethnic 897 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: because you need the money, yeah, you'd be able to 898 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: create those those opportunities, and that's quite you know, that's 899 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: a very sort of first world problem have. I will 900 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: always turn down every single offer for like New Year's 901 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: Eve gigs, just because like I'd rather spend it with 902 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: my family and friends. And it happened very early on 903 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: in my career because I never wanted for much, and 904 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: I've i achieved a level of success financially very early 905 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: on that I was happy with. So ever since then, 906 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: I can now can't be bought because I don't need it, Like, 907 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: but that isn't because I've now doing a stadium. So 908 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: that was like back then doing theaters, I was like, well, 909 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: I don't fucking earn by playing the songs I want 910 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: to play. Why would I need to be able to 911 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: be bought basically, And you said, you know, you go 912 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: on a road because you love going on the road. Yeah, 913 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: I really love it. So there ever a time where 914 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, what do you love more? 915 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: Do I love going on the road or do I 916 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: love my wife? Um no, because again she she understands 917 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: and she comes out on the I mean she's got 918 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: an office job, so she doesn't come out as much 919 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: as she would like to. When you're so busy and 920 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: you're always doing a whole bunch of everything, sometimes it's 921 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: good to just sit down and do nothing, to watch 922 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,479 Speaker 1: that movie for the hundredth of time, Like, yeah, watched 923 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: the War War again. I feel like I feel like 924 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: doing nothing makes me want to work hard again. So 925 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: that's why I feel like I need to do nothing, 926 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: because it reminds me that I do love working. Only 927 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: will get more compile kid than once we have kids. Yeah, 928 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: but I think I think kids are are different because instantly, 929 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: whenever I've spoken to parents, it's like your life ceases 930 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: to exist for you anymore. Your life is for your kids. 931 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think i'd have it any 932 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: problem sacrificing things that I enjoy for them. If it 933 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: was really like, you can't tour for the next ten years. 934 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, that's why I signed up for 935 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: I've had kids, so true, you know, you could you know, 936 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: there's lots of things that people have to stop when 937 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: they have kids. Why'd you pick her for that particular record? 938 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: Because I've really I really liked her album and became 939 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: a fan from her from there. When I found out 940 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: she was a fan of me, I then asked her 941 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: to be on this because you can't ever assume that 942 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: people just want to do records with you. What's the 943 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: next one? Well, we yet, well we yat thousand Nights 944 00:41:52,040 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: with Meek Mill and a Boogie. It is being off 945 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: for a thousand night to me touring. You know, I've 946 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: been on tour for I mean it's not technically a 947 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: thousand nights but almost like seven eight, eight hundred knights 948 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: on tour, so it's basically New York to London's different 949 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: city every day. That all become a blur, to become 950 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: redundant when you out there like that. It definitely did, 951 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: Like so I don't really remember to twenty fourteen, two 952 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 1: and fifteen, Yeah it does. It does all become a blur. 953 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: But then I now bring my best friends on tour. 954 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: So I've got four best friends out with me and 955 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 1: we enjoy it all together now, so it's not really 956 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: a blur because we remember going to nice dinners and 957 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: then we go out to nice things and then go 958 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: back to my hotel room and like, have a bottle 959 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: of wine. Why did you grab Meek An a bookie 960 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: for that record, because I don't think I don't think 961 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: they can relate yet to that level of touring. Well. 962 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: For me, originally, I had a different beata. I had 963 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: a different beat originally, and when I've made the beat, 964 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: it was and Meek actually said it when I played 965 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: it to me, he was like, you know my tempo, 966 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: and for me, it just sounded like a Meek song. 967 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: It just sounded like a Meek song. I always try 968 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: and go two verses. I always try and go for two, 969 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: like twenty four bars and it's done sixteen butters, and 970 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: it just seems too short. And I just thought a 971 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: hoodie season and I thought I'd reach out to him. 972 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: What's the next record? The next record is put It 973 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: puts It All on Me with Lame You like this one? 974 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: I like their torn yeah you front when you say 975 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to make records about love. Bro, that's another 976 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: love record right there. And I've made so many records 977 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: though for this project, so many, Like obviously now you're 978 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: hearing the end products and you're like, oh, like it 979 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,919 Speaker 1: must be easy to write love songs. But I'd write 980 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: so many songs and then I just picked the best ones, 981 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: so then they end up being the good ones, the 982 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: good the good love songs. But there, I like the 983 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: Up Temple Love record all, like everything don't have to 984 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: be thinking out loud. I'm I'm meThe Man and Mary J. Blige. 985 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: All I need remix. That's what me and my wife 986 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: dance to it all wdding you know what I'm saying. 987 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: That's what's good to have those Up Temple Love records. 988 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: Why you why DoD you choose Lam for that one? Well, 989 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: I like the rest of the world. Herd boot up 990 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: And then I found out she's from Mitchell in London, 991 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: which blew my mind because I just didn't know she 992 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: because like, it's so it's so rare, one for English 993 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: people to have success in America, but two for people 994 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: to have English people to have success in America before England. 995 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: She's big there before, but before here, So I was 996 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: intrigued by her anyway, but someone I knew had to 997 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: contact for her. So when when we were making that song, 998 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: I remember we were saying, what girl, what girl? Do 999 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: we know that we could we could go on this, 1000 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: and me and Fred, who made the tune, were both like, 1001 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: we should get Lama and I was like, I know 1002 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: someone that knows her. So we had that wrapped up 1003 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: I think like within two days, because usually you do 1004 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: the song and then you have to get in touch 1005 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: with the artist and then it's finding a day to 1006 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: do a studio. We sent it off to Lma the 1007 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: day that we wrote it, and then I think she'd 1008 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: recorded her bits two days later. I don't even know 1009 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: she was from the UK till I heard her album, Yeah, 1010 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: because in between she's talking and you hear the accident yea, 1011 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, she's from the UK. I 1012 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: an't even realize it. Yeah, and she's she's super sweet, 1013 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: but I just didn't expect her to be English. She's 1014 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: got the same the same kind of thing that I 1015 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: was saying about Kalidas. There's a way that she sings 1016 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: and the riffs that she she she does she'll go 1017 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: hard and soft and hard and soft in her vocal tones. 1018 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: It's a kind of operatic, kind of a sort. I 1019 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: don't know if she's classically trained or not, but it's 1020 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: a very different way of singing. When you do a 1021 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: collad with somebody like Alameda, you feel the need to 1022 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: even in the future, can still leave say hey, I 1023 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: wrote this for you just to keep the London thing up. Yeah, 1024 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, like as I said yesterday, I 1025 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: mean like it depends on timings and stuff. But if 1026 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: anyone gave me their time to work on this, like 1027 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm whether whether it just be any small favor in 1028 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: the future, I'm I'm always I'm always going to be 1029 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,919 Speaker 1: there to do to do something or after this record, 1030 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to go away for a bit. So I 1031 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: don't think we're going to be releasing anything like that. 1032 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just really appreciate that people are giving 1033 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: me the time. You know. So this is feels with 1034 00:45:52,320 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: Young Thug and Jay Hussy. You're not doing these records 1035 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 1: because you know of who's hat. You're doing these records 1036 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: because you actually like these people. So what what did 1037 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: you like about a Young Dog? I mean, I felt 1038 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: I first heard him when he did the Rich Gang 1039 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: did a lot of shit, just a live stuff, and 1040 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really get it. And then it 1041 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: was more I think it was that that that Jeffrey 1042 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: project that really made me understand it. And he's got 1043 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: he's got a tone that is sometimes you don't understand 1044 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,479 Speaker 1: what he's saying, but it kind of like the way 1045 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: that he does it is just musical. Yeah, So I 1046 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: was always very intrigued to work with him. House is 1047 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: someone I've always wanted to work with. There's not really 1048 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: anyone like him in the UK industry, so in his 1049 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: own lane. The worst thing I find is when you 1050 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: have latantly like label things where it is just they 1051 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: leave like a sixteen at the end and it's the worst. Yeah, 1052 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: And I never wanted to do that with House. I 1053 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: feel like, if you're going to do a song with House, 1054 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: it needs to fit in. I got his number and 1055 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: then my face timing. But usually every single person I've 1056 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: worked with, I've never not some sort of relationship with 1057 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: with with with them, So I hope I get to 1058 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: meet singles. I would think that's a difficult record to 1059 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: write because that's about heartbreak. Yeah, like you would love 1060 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: That was written from imagining what it would like now. 1061 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: Now it's all scenarios rather rather than like things that 1062 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: have actually happened in terms of like writing writing breakup songs. 1063 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: And I need you to dismiss those negative thoughts out 1064 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: in mine. Okay, I'm gonna tell you a person, like, 1065 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: whatever I want to happen, I constantly think about things 1066 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to happen. I don't think about it 1067 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: at all. Are same. I know that my job is 1068 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: writing songs, So sometimes you just have to write songs, 1069 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, Like people who write murder mystery books don't 1070 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: want to get murdered in their sleep. They're just they 1071 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: write books about murder. So that's not necessarily about you. No, No, 1072 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: that's that's like if it were to happen, that would 1073 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: be my reaction, and it's for whoever needs it, because 1074 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: somebody out there probably going through that. There's so many 1075 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,240 Speaker 1: people that make songs that aren't necessarily reflecting the situation 1076 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: that they're in at that time. Oh, trust me, but 1077 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: we've all but we've all felt that. Yeah. I listened 1078 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,359 Speaker 1: to a lot of hip hop. Okay, there's a lot 1079 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: of people saying some things that they are not really living. Yes, 1080 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: I get it. Well, it's rebably tallen on the road. 1081 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: Screw X, I mean i've I've I've worked with him before. 1082 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: We actually have a great fucking story about screw X. 1083 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: He came to Chicago to work on track. Afterwards he 1084 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: was like, let's go out to the bar. So just 1085 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: me and him and my touring crew went when out 1086 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: of this bar and he was like, fuck, man, this 1087 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: this bar sucks. Like the music, like the music is 1088 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: just not It was like they were I don't know 1089 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: what was happening, and he was just like, I got 1090 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: my laptop in my back, Shu, I just do a set. 1091 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: They were like okay, And so Screwlex got up in 1092 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: this like bar in the middle of nowhere in Chicago 1093 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: and just did a three hour set for anyone in 1094 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: the bar. And they just locked the doors and just 1095 00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: kept every running. It was amazing. How did you know 1096 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: Dave was gonna be good for this record? Because everything 1097 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,959 Speaker 1: I've heard from Dame that you let me here because 1098 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: you put me on a name, it was like deep. Well, 1099 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: I gave him, I gave him a deep song. I 1100 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: gave him the choice to two get because I really 1101 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: really wants to get him on the project. So I 1102 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: did two songs and he chose that one. But I think, 1103 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's I think it's good to have him 1104 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: on something a little bit different because he does a 1105 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: lot of deep stuff for his stuff, yakul Amory no 1106 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: more than just music store. Right. Yeah, we did a 1107 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: love Music Hate Racism interview. I like that whole concept 1108 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: of the love love music heat reef. You know, with 1109 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 1: both from two totally different parts of England and from 1110 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: totally different backgrounds and coming together and just talking. It's 1111 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: good to show how it can be completely normal. Yeah, 1112 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: I met him. There's an awarch over here called the 1113 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: Ivan Novellos and they have like three main awards, like 1114 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: there's best Song, most Played Song, and then Songwriter of 1115 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: the Year and that's and and that's it. And he 1116 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: I won a song Likeright the Year and he won 1117 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: Best Song and the they're like really difficult with it. 1118 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,720 Speaker 1: There's only like three of them. Yeah, they're really difficult 1119 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: to win. So I met I met him there and 1120 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: we kind of swapped emails and we've just been back 1121 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: and forth. I kind of like talking to I say, 1122 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: up and coming people, but I love I love the 1123 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: kind of new wave coming through and it was one 1124 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: of those things that I'm putting the projects together. It 1125 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: would just feel like a bit of a shame not 1126 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,399 Speaker 1: to have him on it, so I'm glad we could 1127 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: make it work. The other artist is a guy from 1128 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: Argentina that I've recently become a fan of called Paolo 1129 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: Longer we got him on, really like him. Listen Man 1130 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: number six, Thank you for having me. Rong, nice one.