WEBVTT - Leaving It All Behind for a New Life 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.240 Well, this is a special episode of the podcast, and 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.040 I'm I am so glad that you two are with me. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.799 First of all, and I didn't plan this. I didn't 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.120 wake up this morning and think that I was going 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.959 to have you as guest on the podcast. But Jeremy 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.880 and Melissa, you came up to my house from Idaho 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.280 long ways to record a podcast with Amber and I 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.680 and your podcast New World, Old Soul, and it's it's 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:48.680 actually fantastic and very practical, and it is it's it's 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.920 from the perspective of good simple living. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:53.760 I guess you could. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:54.360 Say, correct. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.320 Yeah, I think that's accurate. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.120 Which is the vlog that you guys also have a 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.800 family vlog. And I'm fascinated by your story though, And 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.160 so as we were kind of setting up for your 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.640 podcast here at the house, I said, Hey, do you 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.000 want to get on my podcast? And you want to 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.600 join me because I think a lot of people could 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.240 benefit from your wisdom and the way that you process things, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.240 because a it's relatable the way that both of you 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:29.200 process things as a family, and it's it's also innovative 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.880 because you're also although you're relatable, you're doing things that 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:38.240 people only dream about. Doing. First of all, respond to that, like, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.080 what what does that mean? When I say to you, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.640 how do you feel? When I say you're living a 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:46.840 lot of people's dream. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.280 It's surreal for me. We have discussions about that very 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.640 thing on a pretty regular basis because for us on 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:56.960 all of this really has been a dream come true. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.920 And I think, you know, we felt called to do 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.440 what it is that we've done, and it's God that's 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.480 really seen us through. And you know, looking back for 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.120 that reason, I think it's just kind of been surreal. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.920 It's a big risk for us to leave familiarity and 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.959 take on a new chapter in our lives, and it's 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.520 just it's been a tremendous, tremendous buzzing. It really has been. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.800 Yeah, yeah, agreed. We live very conventional lives before. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.520 Okay, start with that where were you before? Because when 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.160 I say dream, it's like, this could be my dream. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:33.440 I woke up in the middle of the night and 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.000 I go, man, babe, I just had an incredible dream. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:41.000 What was it? We moved to northern Idaho, thirty miles 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.640 from the nearest gas station, started homeschooling the kids and 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:50.960 homesteading with the most beautiful mountains are the Sawtooth Mountains. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:51.880 What are they call it? 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.000 They are the Purcell Mountains, the Selkirk Mountains and the 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.880 Cabinet Mountains. We are surrounded by mountains, three different ranges. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.960 Yeah, so, babe, I had this incredible dream. Three different 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.240 mountain ranges in northern I are and we're living our 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.280 lives there. What are we doing? Well, we're still vlogging 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.680 and have a podcast, and you guys are living that dream. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.000 So start Melissa with the conventional life before. Where were 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.720 you before so we can get to where you are now. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.359 We were right outside of Portland, Oregon, and Jeremy was 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:24.040 a police officer and didn't love that because it was 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.360 just this daily grind and we were getting by, but 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:31.960 we couldn't get ahead, and times were getting funny for 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.440 police officers during that time. Yeah, there was a lot 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.240 of cultural stuff going on. And my biggest fear for him, well, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.400 I saw him start to almost despise the job, and 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.760 I felt guilty as a stay at home mom that 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.920 he was going to a job that he didn't like 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.760 and that was dangerous. And then when I saw police 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.400 officers being in prison for doing their job, that was 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.520 my greatest fear. And I thought, I have to get 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.960 him out of this because we're just depending on him only, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.560 and he had so much weight on his shoulders. And 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.160 I thought, well, there's a thing called YouTube and other 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.840 people are doing it, and maybe I could do it 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.840 because I raise rabbits. So I started making rabbit videos. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.200 That's how this started. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.719 Yeah. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.560 Yeah, you're living a conventional life, like in every sense 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.640 of the word, and you're what did you say, you're 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.479 you're getting by but not getting ahead. Yeah, and you're 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.160 in Portland, Oregon, which, by the way, the last time 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.880 I was there, when we played a show at the 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.120 Palace Theater or something something like that, I remember looking 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.120 out of the window of my bus and there was 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:46.200 a homeless man laying right outside the door with a 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.919 needle and is stuck in his arm and is the 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.160 curb was his pillow and he was dead asleep, so 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.160 that when we came out of the bus to go 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.080 into the venue, we had to step over him. So 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.040 that's that's the kind of the setting. You're outside of 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:05.400 Portland barely, Yeah, living a very unknown lifestyle as a 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.080 police officer, and how many kids at the time we 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.320 had four? And you thought I'd make I raised rabbits 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.039 so we could do YouTube well. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.919 We started having this drive to become more self sufficient. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.279 I don't know why. In twenty twelve, I just decided 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:23.919 we need to start learning to grow our own food 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.680 and raise our own meat. We only had an acre, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.000 so we started raising meat rabbits, which was very weird 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.320 at the time. People are like, you're gonna eat bunnies 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.120 and we're like, well, we can't have cattle, and chickens 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.200 are kind of gross. We did a couple hundred chickens 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.120 and we thought so I started raising rabbits. We had 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.479 a big garden. We turned our yard into this food forest, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.120 and then we wanted to do more. We were like, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.360 we need twenty acres. One acre isn't going to do it. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.880 And so we knew we needed to leave that area 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:54.279 because it was so expensive, and I just thought, I'll 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.320 teach people how to raise rabbits. So I was making 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.520 dozens of dollars on YouTube, and he was like, you 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.600 were wasting your time. This is never going to do anything. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.679 Please stop making these embarrassing rabbit videos because like people 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.520 at his work, we're being like and this is how 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.560 you take the hide off, and these are meat bananas 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:16.599 sometimes good times. Yeah, I just thought this is the path, Like, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:17.360 this is the way? 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:18.560 What did you think? 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.599 I thought it was crazy. I literally thought it was 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.640 a waste of time. I remember I recall conversations that 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.160 we were having at home, like we can find better 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.080 things to be doing with our time that will probably 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.960 be more fruitful. But it we enjoyed doing it. It's 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.160 what we were passionate about at the time, and so 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.520 we just kind of kept going. She posted a video 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.360 about how to process a meat rabbit. Didn't really check 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.000 on it for a few weeks, and by the time 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.320 we went back, we had YouTube asking us if we 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.919 wanted to be monetized, and the video had like a 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.200 million views, and so all of a sudden we saw 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.000 some potential in it. We're like, hey, maybe we can 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.080 devote a little more time, some you know, additional resources 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.920 to this and just see what happens. It'd be great 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.680 to cover a bill on a monthly basis, or you know, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.960 be able to cover our groceries what have you. And 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.160 it just kind of took on a life of its 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:02.720 own from there. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.000 Yeah, what kind of police officer were you? 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.159 I was at a patrol officer for ten years and 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.640 then I needed a break. I was burnt out with 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.680 chagging nine to one one calls and going to the 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.840 same house as repeatedly dealing with the same offenders, the 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.720 same people. So I left the road and became a 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.640 school resource officer. Did that for additional three years, which 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.600 was a great assignment. I actually genuinely enjoyed doing that. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.760 It was great just interacting with the kids on a 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.800 day to day basis and then feeling as well as 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.640 having an impact on these very young, malleable minds. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:40.320 So Kentucky Ballistics Daniel Arms from Arms Family homestead. He left. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:47.680 He was a Oklahoma State trooper state trooper, which is funny. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.600 Lunkers TV Rob Turkla is he's back in the He's 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.200 back in the police academy now, So there there is 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.480 a connection between being a police officer and a YouTuber. Yeah. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.280 I watched Daniel's specif for a really long time, and 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.120 of course I was drawing to his content given that 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.040 we had, you know, this shared profession in common, and 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.200 was able to have a couple of full conversations with 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.520 him prior to us deciding to leave law enforcement and 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.640 devote ourselves to YouTube. So he was a huge source 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.360 of inspiration for us with what it is we were 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.520 desiring to do. But it is really interesting. There are 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.960 a lot of people with law enforcement backgrounds that somehow 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:21.960 managed to work their way. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.960 Into YouTube trying to figure out how to get out. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.000 Yeah, so okay, so get me to the getting out. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.960 So now in the world do you get to Idaho 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.600 from here? This sounds impossible? 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.360 Yeah, Well, we had this retirement plan of retiring in 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.400 Idaho because we just thought it was a beautiful area 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.400 and we felt that it was a very safe area 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.160 to do the whole homestead. We're kind of prepper minded 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.600 and we just like diving into stuff like that, like, hey, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.600 no matter what happens, you could have this safe little homestead. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.240 And it was kind of a bug out property for us. Okay, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.560 And we thought ten year plan, fifteen year plan, maybe 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.280 we sell it. If the we probably would have ended 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.160 up selling it if we hadn't done YouTube, because prices 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.800 went up so high during the pandemic. Yeah, And we 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.760 had this property for about six months totally off grid 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.600 field in the middle of nowhere, no water to it, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.640 just nothing, and I was like, we should move to it, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.000 we should just and He's just what are you talking about. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.600 She's making all these kind of decisions, which are crazy decisions, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:22.319 very bold woman. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.640 They were, they were nuts, but I just felt like 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.760 God was calling us out there. We called it the 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.959 Promised Land, and we just I called him at work 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.560 one day and I said, I think we should go 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.400 and we should YouTube it and we'll just I mean, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.720 I was like, I made eight hundred dollars last month 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.040 on YouTube, and I'm like, it's not going to go 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.080 down if we go there, it'll only go up. So 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.360 maybe we could figure out some other stuff, like we 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.360 can get by, we'll live in the trailer, we'll sell 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.200 the house. And he's just like, uh okay, and like 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.640 two weeks later he quit his job. It was basically 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.040 like we were running on adrenaline in faith and I 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.680 don't know why. We just both felt like that's what 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.280 we were supposed to go do. But it was insane 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:09.280 looking back at it. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.880 Yeah, that's wild, man, I mean that is just Daniel 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.600 Arms didn't even do it that way. He had to 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:21.319 get to a certain amount of income. And two but 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.520 during the pandemic, all of us did crazy things. And 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.120 do you think, actually, if you think there wasn't a pandemic. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.880 Do you think you would have been motivated to to 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:31.640 make that leap. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.800 I don't know. I think that the desire definitely would 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.240 have been there. I don't know that we actually would 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.319 have followed through, though, But. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.720 We didn't go till April of twenty twenty, and it 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.120 hadn't actually started. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.960 When we left True House. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:47.640 So when we started doing showings like it all happened 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.360 the same week, and then it felt very meant to be, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.920 like we're supposed to get out of here, and so 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.720 we felt like because we didn't even know what it 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.560 was at that time, we didn't know how serious it was. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.920 Remember the first initial reports were really scared. Knew how 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.160 serious or not serious it was, and we thought like, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.160 if this turns into bolop, will be out in the mountains. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:10.439 Did you guys get vaccinated? 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:10.640 No? 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.280 Did your Did your department require it? 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.280 I don't know if they ultimately did. I know a 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.440 lot of agencies in within Washington State did. I wasn't 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.280 willing to do that and take that risk, so that 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.160 would have been something that we would have had to 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.840 confront head on at some point. I assume I don't 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:27.800 think they required it, but. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.840 There are people I know that are in eastern Oregon 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.480 that want to be part of Idaho. Yes, they want 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.199 to secede from from. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.400 The greater Greater Idaho movement. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.600 Yep. Yeah, I also know I have some dear friends 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.560 that have to travel the world with that. They're in 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.400 Campus Valley, Oregon, down down south, and so there's and 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.960 it's the same in California. Yes, you get in New York, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.280 you get all these people that are kind of trapped 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:57.120 in a state that's led by the ideas of the city, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:02.200 the liberal city that is pushing people out. And it's 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.320 it's a shame because Oregon is an incredibly beautiful state. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:06.800 It is. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.480 And so it's California, so it's New York. In Texas, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.040 we feel that same pressure out of the city of Austin. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.120 And and so you're gonna get a trailer. You're going 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.880 to go to the Promised Land, the Promised Land, and 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.120 all the people in Idaho are like, no more Oregon 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.760 people stay out, you know, But you guys are going, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.959 we're gonna, We're gonna do this. So at what point 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.120 did you start to formulate the idea of homesteading and 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.800 homeschooling And we're not just gonna We're not gonna make 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.320 a slight jump. We're going all in, neck deep. We're 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.480 going thirty miles. You told me earlier from the nearest 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:50.600 gas station. Where did all that come from? 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.440 The land we bought, we've I never actually thought we'd 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.400 live on it. I thought like, this is just really beautiful. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.640 It's a great investment. It's somewhere to put cash that 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:04.760 we've been saving our whole lives. And so when we 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.920 moved out there, it did feel very remote. We had 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.720 already homeschooleder that's what we did. I was a public 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.240 school teacher before, and then when I had my daughter, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.880 I didn't want to put her in the system because 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.280 being someone who experienced it, I thought this doesn't fit 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.840 all kids, and I feel like I could probably do better. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.400 I would know my kids better, and so I quit teaching. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.679 I called my principal from the hospital and said I'm 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.600 not coming back, which stinks because it was August and 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:35.800 she's like, what am I going to do for a 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.120 kindergarten teacher. I'm like, oh't no, I'm not coming back. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.320 And I never did. So we had always homeschooled, so 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.520 that was an easy transition. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:43.760 Okay, okay, and so. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.360 We weren't uprooting our kids from schools and these big 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.640 friend groups. So that was an easier decision to make 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.040 because if you have kids that are plugged into schools 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.960 and programs and sports, you're now changing their whole lives. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.320 So what about sports now? Are their sports involved with 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:01.840 your kids? 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.360 Yeah, they do gymnastics. Novella. Our oldest is now eighteen 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.640 years old, but she I told you she plays guitar, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.800 has done music her entire life. Our youngest son, Eli, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.599 is actually really into bull riding somehow. That's kind of 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.600 taken on the life of its own as well. But 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.760 he's been doing little rodeo events in northern Idaho and 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.120 had a lot of fun with that. But they each 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.040 get to choose one thing that they want to devote 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.120 themselves to when it comes to extracurricular activities, and. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.160 So they have because it costs fifty dollars just to 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.360 get to their place because fuel, for sure, that's a. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.680 Fact, especially in the winter time. Yeah, it's definitely it's 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.920 challenging when you're homeschool. There's challenges that go with that. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.080 It's it's not like, oh, they have every opportunity like 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.960 you're kind of lying to yourself if you say that 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.400 it is different and they are more isolated, and they 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.240 have a smaller friend group and they get to pick 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.920 one activity, and it's just the reality of it. I'm 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.040 not going to say it's perfect. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.080 Well, there's also a big difference. We built this house 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.160 here that we're in, and we lived in the trailer 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.280 in the barn, so there's a little bit of a 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.400 parallel with the Smiths and you guys there except for 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.320 one huge difference in it's three letters the I why 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:17.920 do you build that house? 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.160 We built the overwhelming majority of it. Yeah, the structure itself. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.400 We had things like plumbing an electric that we're done 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.320 just because I'm not real familiar with the code, so 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.800 we just brought in contractors to take care of that 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.960 aspect of it. But pretty much everything else, you know, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.120 we put up all the walls and did all the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.680 sheet rock, dryer wall. Yeah, there's a lot of work 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.480 every day. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:36.600 A lot. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.800 How self sustaining is this home? 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.680 It needs to be better. So we're going to start 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.920 doing solar projects and things this year. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.120 But I have no doubt you will. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.440 We're totally self sustained with water. We have a huge garden, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.520 big food storage. So it's pretty much just power we 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.080 need to improve at this point. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.320 Do you think solar's to take it for this so far? 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.880 That's what we're doing. Yeah, that's our plan for this year. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.120 That's our big infrastructure project that we're gonna be working on. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.160 It's gonna be a big solar array. You know, We've 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.160 considered like propeane generators as well, but I think solar 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.960 for us ultimately is is gonna be the ticket. Yeah, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.080 so to making sure that we can provide for ourselves 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.280 when we have to do. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.520 You get a little bit of anxiety thinking like it's 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.320 not there yet and if something hits, you know, if 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.920 the world goes down in flames, and yeah, we were 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.280 almost there but we didn't get it. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.160 It's always kind of in the back of our minds, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.200 which is the reason we're prioritizing it this year. It's 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:32.880 just been such a long journey to get to this point. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.760 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, definitely. We felt more of that when 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.200 we were in the trailer. It's like, oh, jeez, if 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.080 everything went down now, like we're stuck in this trailer. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.920 So it was night one, we're sleeping in the trailer. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.080 We had no home. There was like we had burned 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.200 the ships. There was no going back. He quit his job. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:50.840 Unbelievable. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.800 So we're in this tiny trailer. How big was the trailer? 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.320 Twenty four fet It was a twenty six. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.920 Twenty six feet. It wasn't like one of those big 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.680 fifth wheels or anything. It was not eight And it 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.080 was like night one. It was freezing cold, and the 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.320 water pump broke. It froze and water just poured throughout 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.880 the trailer night one, and I thought, what are we doing? 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.679 Like so the very next day we started building the 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.480 tiny home in the shop. Okay, I was like, we 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.719 can't do this. This isn't fair to the kids. So 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.800 there's guilt and stuff that goes along with that. It's like, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.320 are we living our dream? Are we just being crazy? 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.400 Are we going to have to go back with our 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.719 tails tucked? Beg for you to do that? 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.520 Nine months in the trailer, it's doable. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.040 As a parent, though, your dream is their dream. They 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.600 don't get to have a dream, yeah, not yet at least. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:40.920 How old were they at the time. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.760 Oh gosh, theil was thirteen. Yeah was thirteen. 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.359 I think thirteen year olds don't get dreams. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.120 She's along with the ride. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:49.680 Yeah, she wasn't along for the rids. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:55.000 She get thirteen ten eight and four or five. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.920 Yeah, he was little, yeah, was four. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.840 We were in uh we were paralleling you guys, and 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.919 around the same time. And so although we didn't have 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.000 the the Idaho winters and we were in. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.800 A barn that was you had Texas summers. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.360 And we had Texas summers though, lots of scorpions and 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.640 crickets and daddy long legs. Fascinating because you said burn 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.600 the ships. That's a that is what we think is 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:32.280 something Cortes said or did at one point in my life. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.600 I looked that up and we're not sure, like, no 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.520 one's really sure if Cortes did that story. But it's 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.879 so romantic that he you know, he hit the shores 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.760 and he said, we ain't going back to Spain. I'm 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.960 burning the ships down. So that all you could commit 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.080 to the new cause, because if I don't burn the ships, 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.639 then you'll think there's a chance if it gets bad enough, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.680 or if something if we get sick enough, or whatever happens, 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.280 we could always pull the cord here, pull the parashue 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.000 and jump in the ships and go back to Spain 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.479 and Cortes burned them so that you have to commit, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.080 and you guys committed. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.480 Yeah, we had to sell the house and everything. We thought, 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.760 should we rent it out? No, because it's too easy 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.040 to go back. So I heard this advice, if you 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.800 really want to succeed at something, put yourself in a 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.200 place where you cannot fail, like if you fail, you're 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.480 gonna die and so and then that's how you succeed, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.399 because it's sheer desperation. You will just keep going. And 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.359 we had the kids depending. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.320 Yes, it's a ba set, it's a philosophy, and it 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.080 became our driving force behind getting everything done. I mean 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.760 we'd wake up on days. We had a composing toilet 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.600 system that we use for two and a half years. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.800 It was not fun, it was not easy. I was 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.160 responsible for that task and it just like I said, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.040 it was just a mentality of no matter what, state committed, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.639 Like you said, keep going for. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:50.119 What was it? 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.119 What was it? It was a five gallon bucket system 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.040 of rotating five gallon buckets that had to be cleaned 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:58.159 out on a day to day. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.840 Basis with pine shavings. It was much those fancy composting. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.480 So I would literally dispose of everything on the far 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.160 or far end of the property, which was a long walk, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.960 especially when we had two feet of stow on the ground. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.080 And that was our life for two and a half years. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.320 We called it the walk of shame. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:16.560 So you're walking poop literally through the snow. Yeah, man, 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:17.760 what a story to tell the kids. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.600 You had the burden of the entire family in those buckets. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.399 So you say composting, But what I mean is that 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.720 like improving the land or did you act did it? 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.119 Or you just dumping it? 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.359 It was being dumped, So it's technically composted down since 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.200 you know, over the past couple of years. So yeah, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.080 it's composting in place we went planting. Plant the tree 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:38.520 there one day? 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.480 Maybe don't let's just say we don't garden over there. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:42.960 It's it's on the far far end of the property. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:43.200 Man. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.440 As crazy as it sounds, though, I love that, And 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.879 I remember, I remember our time was such a special 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.600 time living in that RV because, for one, we were 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.360 just so in tune with the weather, with nature. If 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.240 it was raining, we all knew it. If it was hot, 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.320 we all knew it. If the temperature was dropping, we 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.159 all knew it. If if there was a bat that 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.919 got in the barn and the dogs were chasing her, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:10.840 we all knew it. If there were you know, if 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.760 a skunk made it into the barn, which happened, we 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:18.159 all knew it. And and I there's a part of 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.560 me that laments that living in a house that's you know, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.520 kind of air conditioned in the insulated walls, and you 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.840 you don't is it raining outside? Is it dark outside? 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:27.040 Wow? 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.480 I didn't know it's it's already dark in the r V, 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:30.960 you know everything. 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.720 Yep, that sounds so familiar. I actually missed that era, 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.119 that period of time. For as as miserable as it 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.320 as it was at times, I relished in just the 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.560 adventure of it. And kind of like you're saying, yeah, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.760 you you were very familiar and aware of everything that 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.680 was happening. And I missed that as well. 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But I 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.200 think we do that with our content creators too, or 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:47.160 our podcasters would become very attached to these online personalities. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.920 I have been kind of like preaching this to my 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.520 band and crew for at least a decade, and for 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.400 a while they were like, you're grainder yourself stupid. Would 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.679 you stop talking about this? But as we as we 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.720 talk about AI and this interesting thing to think about, 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.920 as you're like homesteading and you're you're so far from 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:15.600 the danger of these things. I believe wholeheartedly that first, 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.920 you know, AI will be in robotics, and we all 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.639 know it's going to be doing laundry and cleaning houses 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:28.520 and mowing the grass and shuttling cars back and forth. 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.920 I understand all that. And ELI is saying that every 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.600 house will have one, and I agree with them. I 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.960 think it's going to be eventually, it's gonna be like 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.879 cell phones and it'll it'll really help when you're talking 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.960 about like elderly and childcare. Even though it sounds horrifying 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.000 right now, it's coming. But I think the thing that 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:51.159 most people are missing, it's this your episode. I think 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:56.800 what people are missing is people will develop relationships with 0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:02.200 these AI personalities and this will be a huge demise 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:04.000 to the human population. 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.119 Agreed. Yeah, yeah, I think there is definitely an element 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.320 of evil to it. That's my personal take. 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.680 Yeah, well, we were just talking about the Elon worship, 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.840 which I know that maybe this makes me very unpopular. 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:16.520 What does that mean? 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.239 I feel like when Elon Musk kind of came to 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.160 the other side, right he joined the Trump team, everyone 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.880 got really excited to have him. Like Elon Musk, He's 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.720 a witchest man in the world. He's so smart, and 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.160 now he's dancing at Trump rallies and everybody rallied around 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:35.040 him without asking any questions. And he is such an 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.359 advocate for the AI, even though he'll go on a 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.640 Joe Rogan podcast and talk about how dangerous it is, 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.439 but he's pushing it, and it's I are we not 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.880 questioning what his actual motives are? Can we trust this man? 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.639 Just because he's at Trump rallies. Does that mean that 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:53.520 we need to put all of our support and trust 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.359 behind him? Or is what he's ushering in dangerous and evil? 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.640 And is it? I mean, it's clearly it's not of God, 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.560 not natural, it's not what God intended for mankind. So 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.200 why are we all just like Elon? 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:05.960 Look at him. 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.720 I saw him dancing to that point, and he was 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.679 like doing the fist pump in the air, and suddenly 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:15.320 I saw him in a new light. When I saw that, 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.639 I was like, oh, he Like, he's the guy in 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.480 high school that's like no one has ever noticed him 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.639 and right, and all of a sudden, this is although 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:26.639 he's had more money than anyone in the world, and 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:31.239 he's had, you know, incredible platforms, he's never had a 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.000 crowd of people screaming for him, and all of a sudden, 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:35.360 you could just see the kid in him. 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.000 He's like, oh, this is great elation. 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:38.920 Yeah. 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.119 I feel the same with like the zuck you know, 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.720 Mark Zuckerberger was always this nerd and now all of 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.760 a sudden, he's on Joe Rogan and he's feeling really 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.680 cool and he's getting invited to sit at the cool 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.440 kid table and he loves it. But we have to 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.840 question those motives still because you have to remember what 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.080 they just did in the past and what they want 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.440 to usher in in the future. I mean, his whole 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:03.200 platform is called meta or are we not worried about 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.119 this for the human race and for the human soul? 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:11.960 Yeah? So you guys have a very successful vlog in podcast. 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:20.200 How are you uploading these videos using starlink? That's that's 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.880 what I thought You're gonna say. That's interesting, right? It is? 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.520 Love it or hate it? 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:30.200 It? Useful me? Wrong? Absolutely, It's an incredible innovation, for sure. 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.800 I'm not trying to take that away from that. I 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.960 just think, yeah, I think the whole concept of AI, 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.000 especially when you start talking about human integration, just for 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.120 me again personally, I think there's an element of evil 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.000 to it, and it's it's terrifying. I think it should 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:44.280 be to most of us. 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:49.680 At what point would you pull the plug on the 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.120 public presence that you have? And I know you've thought 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.080 about this, yes, I know you've thought, like, I'm not 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.480 truly off the grid until I'm also off the Internet. 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.200 I think the response is gonna be different for each 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:03.440 of us. 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.360 Okay, Yeah, well, I think Jeremy would shoot the writer tomorrow. 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:09.560 I absolutely would and walk away from all of it. 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:11.320 But before you. 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:12.720 Go, what would what would cause that? 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:18.240 I just crave purity and simplicity and it was a 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.520 big part of the motivation for me to want to 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.320 move my family where where we did with where we are, 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.160 and I do feel like the the interwebs, if you will, 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:32.520 take take from that. So I'm not again incredible technology 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.479 and innovation, but I think it takes away from everything 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.600 it is that I desired for myself and my kids 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.640 and relocating my family, the blessing and the curse. 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.720 Yes, yeah, Like you're a blogger as well, so you 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.720 realize when you go on a vacation and you're just 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:48.880 trying to take something in, but yet you need to 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:53.000 make the vlog there is That's I think that's a 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:54.800 hard thing for the audience to hear too, because they're like, 0:29:54.840 --> 0:30:00.560 wait a minute. But as the person who's doing it, 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.640 or you're watching your kid blow their birthday candles out 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.560 and you're trying to get the right shot of that, 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.600 you sort of miss it in real life. So we'll 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.520 literally have we'll sing happy Birthday, and then we'll do 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.960 it again for the camera, because I want to see 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.600 my son blow his birthday candles out in your real life. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.960 So or we'll go on a vacation and five days 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.760 are for filming in five days, no cameras. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.080 WHOA, So it makes sense strategic. 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.480 Yeah, you have to be or it will. When you 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.800 vlog your life, it can become all consuming and everything 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:37.000 becomes content and now your real life is a show 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.640 and you miss your children growing up. 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.520 But that's that's a maturity that a lot of people 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.320 don't get to in a short amount of time. How 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.120 did you get to that? 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.320 I just had this innate internal sense of I guess 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.400 it's all it's going to be subjective, But for us, 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.000 it's like, yeah, we don't want to interfere with our 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.920 family's reality. You only have one got it raising your children, 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:01.959 and we want to make sure that we are as 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:06.640 present as possible for every moment ideally, And so you know, 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.400 cameras have a tendency due to interfere with that. And 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.080 I always tell her it's like, I don't want to 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.440 be making memories through the lens of a camera. I 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.520 want to make sure that I'm making memories for myself. Yeah, 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.360 it's an ongoing battle. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.600 It's very beginning. We would have our kids say certain things, 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.120 or we would do these little skits that were fun 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.520 and the audience loved them and they were clearly skits, 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.960 but our kids were having to play these roles. And 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.400 then we finally just decided we used to do this 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.320 happy dance thing. And then one time we got in 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.040 a fight over it because he was like, no, you're 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.840 not like gyrating right or something. I don't remember what 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:43.960 it was, but we had to keep redoing it, and 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.920 then we got into an argument. Our kids were standing 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.720 there like staring at us argue over the happy dance, 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.000 and that was the last time we ever happy dance. 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.400 People would bring back the dance were like, never, the 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.040 dance is dead. The dance coused to fight. 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.320 So that is such good parenting. That's such a good 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:06.680 foresight to to prioritize their mental health. Because I'm a woggert. 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.160 We're not saying none of us are saying that vogging 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.520 is bad or it's it's unhealthy. Uh, We're just saying 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:17.440 it's it's good to have limits and to prioritize certain things. 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.960 For this might be an example for me. I've filmed. 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:27.360 I have filmed many blowing out birthday candles. But I 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:36.600 also genuinely love cameras and filming and storytelling. Maybe that's 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.680 part of the old songwriter in me and the current 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.240 sermon writer in me. I love storytelling and I love 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.280 one of the ways I like to do it is 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:50.120 through a lens, and so I don't feel Amber does, 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.200 though she feels just like you. She's like, I don't 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.160 want to do this, and I'm like, hey, never you 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.560 ever have to vlog if you don't want to, And 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.560 so I don't. She hasn't done it a long time. 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:07.320 But I am like, I love. I love filming, and 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.760 especially love now the collection of videos that we've put out. 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.840 That we get to watch these home videos, yes, in 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.920 a way that we just wouldn't have And so there's 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.560 a there's a plus and a negative. And I love 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.600 the way you guys are just thinking through what's what's 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:26.400 the priority here? 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.560 Yeah, yeah, it's just all about boundaries and balance. But 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:33.040 I'm with you. I ironically enough, I love having all 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.120 of those memories to look back upon them, just seeing 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.479 the kids get older over time, you know, with our 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.240 home build and seeing everything it is that we managed 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.760 to pull off for ourselves. It's they're so incredibly precious 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.880 to me. They're like highly polished home videos. So I 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.400 love having that it's just in your day to day 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.440 life and routine. When it comes specifically to the kids, 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.280 it's like, I want to make sure that we're setting 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.680 those boundaries and doing what I just personally feels right 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:55.640 for Yeah. 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:56.960 If it were just us, I don't think that we 0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:01.080 would have that these same tortured conversations. But yeah, kids absolutely, 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:02.480 it's always about their privacy. 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:08.480 And we'll link these videos in description and I would 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.040 encourage people listening right now, if you're not watching, to 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.000 go to the YouTube version of this episode and comment 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.600 what your thoughts are on this. And we've talked about 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.279 several different things, and I think vlogging that being the 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.160 least of these things, but more importantly probably homesteading and 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:29.920 the journey off. 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.160 The grid, which is where you guys are head. 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.919 So cool, and I would love to continue to touch 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.560 base with you guys and see others journeys going until 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.879 one day I text you and you go, we're off, man, 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.799 that was it? Or you just don't answer because you 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.160 literally don't have cell phones. 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.120 Shot the router. Yeah, without Wi Fi calling, there is 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:50.200 no calling phone. 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.720 It's fascinating. Can you guys help me answer some questions 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:55.000 on here? 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:55.560 For sure? 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.000 This is what we do typically on this podcast, and 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.920 this first one, and by the way, these man just 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:07.080 got me these like five minutes ago before we started recording, 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.080 five minutes before we started recording this one. First one 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.920 from Samantha and says Haig Grander, a close friend of 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.160 mine and I had a falling out for something pretty small. 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.800 But now it feels like our relationship and our friendship 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.560 is hanging by a thread. I want to fix things, 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.200 but I don't even know where to start. I'm afraid 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.080 it might just make things worse. How do you handle 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.120 disagreements with friends and know if it's worth trying to 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:30.520 repair their relationship? 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.719 Samantha, That'd be a tough one for me to answer. 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:35.680 I would say it's definitely worthwhile. I'm not always the 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.400 best when it comes to forgiveness. Let's say, so what 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.560 do you got, Mama? 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.160 So you're a grudge folder? 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:43.040 You agree with that? 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.040 Yeah, Jeremy, when he draws a line, it's a hard 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:52.640 line and it's permanent, and so it's something that we 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:57.080 talk about and I think you'll continue to work. 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.040 On maybe I'm a work in progress. I would say 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.120 it is worthwhile one, so it is it is worth 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.799 the effort, and I will heed my own advice here. Yeah, 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.160 it is worthwhile to put in that effort to maintain 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.759 those relationships or repair those relationships because ultimately, that's h 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.799 That's all we have in the end, right is your 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.480 loved ones, your friends and family. So definitely a worth 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:16.120 while investment. 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.960 Yeah, I'm going to say if something really caused a 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.600 big riff that was small, there was probably some stuff 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:28.800 that happened earlier that caused something little to cause something 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:33.280 to mountain, you know, turn into a mountain. So probably 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.600 look at what caused those little irritations in the beginning, 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.800 and whether or not your friendship is compatible or what 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.520 what was the problems? What's the actual problem, because it's 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.279 probably not what the small argument. 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:45.120 It gets small. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.440 So one of the part of a question is I 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.640 don't know where to start because she might make things worse. 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.640 Do you have people like this in your life right now? 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.799 Like when I read the question from Samantha, do you think, oh, yeah, 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:57.399 I know that guy. 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.000 Yeah, for sure? 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.400 Is it because of the home setting thing. Is it 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.560 because of the move from Oregon or no different? 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:06.000 No? 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.600 Yeah, yeah, yours is more childhood based. 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.800 Oh before that, yeah, this long standing family stuff. 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.440 Yeah, Jeremy's had to kind of protect himself from the 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.920 time he was a little kid, so his experience is different. 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.800 So defense mechanism. I know that I'm a work in progress. 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.600 So the host setting thing, it's getting even more complex 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.120 now when you think of it in that way, it. 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:33.800 Allows you to isolate yourself exactly. Yeah, where you don't 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.160 have to integrate. It's so easy to just pull back 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.839 and live in this little comfort bubble. We're both extreme introverts. 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.680 Usually an introvert, Mary is an extrovert, and the extrovert 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.319 encourages the introvert to get out there and patch up relationships. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.920 And when it's two introverts and our comfort place is 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.000 to pull back, we do that and then we tell 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:57.000 each other that's good. So that could be dangerous. Yeah, 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.000 we're like, this is cozy. We love living in our 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.279 our acorn and and in there we stay like a 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:04.280 little squirrel family. 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.839 So how in the world do you reconcile what you 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:13.439 just said with going out and getting podcasts and going 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:18.719 to Nashville and Dallas and now Austin. What do you guys? Yeah, 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:19.439 how are you doing? 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.719 It's a weird thing because it's not that we are 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.520 like so withdrawn that we don't like interacting with people. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.120 We actually love having these types of conversations, having an 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:31.120 opportunity to speak with you and amer today. We love people, 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.840 we love getting to know people, but we also relish 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.600 our privacy and having our own little cocoon of our 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.080 own rules that we get to set for ourselves. I 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:42.719 guess you could say, but there's a. 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.160 Lot of bloggers like that. Have you experienced that? Yeah, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.800 that are total introverts, very different. 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.279 Yes, so you're you're right alongside Samantha going, I don't 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:54.160 know where to start? 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.719 Is that what you're saying? I would say, I have 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.640 an idea about maybe where you could start, but it's 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.239 not always easy to get there. Whereas and where do 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:07.200 you start by reaching out? You know, having those tough conversations, 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.759 potentially apologizing, saying sorry, expressing the love that you have 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.840 for your your friend or family member. Yeah, again I 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.680 would I would have to heed my own advice. 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:22.680 Here, But do you know what's hard is apologizing without 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.920 passing the blame at all. Yes, because we have a 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:33.439 tendency to say I'm sorry you feel that way, even 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.880 though I you know, I couldn't help it, you know, 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:37.560 like that. We don't always say it that way, but 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:38.399 that's kind of what we think. 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:39.719 Yeah, it's very disingenuous. 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:43.000 Yeah, so you don't what I have to learn. Interesting. 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:47.200 This is an interesting lesson for me. Uh it. This 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:52.520 is a recent lesson that I could do someone wrong 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:58.200 when there actually isn't something morally wrong with what I did, 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:04.880 but it could have been in the judgment of the 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:10.200 situation that started the whole thing in the first place. So, 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.920 for instance, here's an analogy. I could take Lincoln to 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:18.640 the zoo and then take him into the guerrilla cage 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.640 and then grab him harshly and say let's go, we 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.480 have to get out of here. And when I do 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.680 that to Lincoln, that's not wrong of me to be 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.239 very intense and grab him and say we have to go, 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.760 we have to get out of here. It's nothing wrong morally. 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:34.960 In fact, you would say you need to do that, 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.239 But the problem was the wisdom and taking him into 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.520 the grilla cage in the very beginning. So I could 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.880 have put in that situation, apologize to him and say 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.400 I was wrong knowing me getting him out of the 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.480 grilla cage. There was nothing wrong with that, it was 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:55.120 the wisdom. And so it's hard to apologize without bringing 0:40:55.160 --> 0:41:00.759 yourself into it at all. Samantha might be there, Oh 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:01.440 maybe you are. 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.400 Maybe so, maybe Samantha is helping you. 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.440 Maybe she thank you, Samantha. 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.560 Yeah. I think it's just human nature to want to 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.080 defend yourself too. So anytime that you feel like you're 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.640 being targeted or someone's attacking you, you want to defend 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:16.560 yourself and you want to say I did this even 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.640 though it was bad. Yeah, I did this because you 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.400 made me or it was your actions that caused me 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.120 to behave this way. Yes, even though that's not necessarily 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:26.960 it's truth. The way you react is on you. 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:29.680 Yeah. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:31.399 Do you have a do you have a spot where 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.279 you guys sit at your place and kind of look 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.640 at the mountain, the different mountain ranges and just think, 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:43.080 this is this is life, This is unwinding everywhere. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.040 But I'd say, our slider in our living room, it's 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.920 just slider. It's a big, just living room slider. It's 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.359 our primary entry into and out of our home and 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.960 we gaze out at a beautiful, sheer, rocky mountain face 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:56.600 that we have there. 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.200 I think going out with the horses is our online time. 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.480 There's something about horses because they're so simple, but they're 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:04.400 so complex. And when you just go out there and 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.480 just sit with them and watch them and the mountains 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.799 are there, that's where it's like the rest of the 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.400 world shuts off. You can be so stressed out and 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.360 it'll be like, let's go see the horses. 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:14.760 Soothing. 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:16.359 Yeah. 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.400 Can I ask a question that this is not an indictment, 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.080 but I'm kind of asking, like the rhetorical question of 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.640 all the listeners right now, what can you possibly be 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:30.840 stressed out about? In northern Idaho, thirty miles from the 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:31.360 gas station. 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:35.560 We're incredibly blessed. Don't get me wrong. Our stresses are 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.640 so insignificant to so many others. But we have, you know, 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.680 just some self imposed stress. I think it's more just 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.719 our own mentality and the pressures that we put on 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:49.640 ourselves is probably the primary source of our stress. 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.839 So would you tell people that, oh, you can escape it. 0:42:56.080 --> 0:43:00.000 A life has its burdens because of this following world 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.279 we live in, and even going to northern Idaho and 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.719 building a house and enjoying all the mountain ranges. You 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:07.799 can't escape it. 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.400 Yeah, maybe if you were fully retired, or you were 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.320 you won the lottery or something, maybe you really could escape. 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.080 And I don't know, you know the answer. You're saying 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.439 that it's not true. It's not true. 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:21.120 I know it's not. 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.800 Yeah, let's get someone right here that won the lottery 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.640 and ask and they would say, no, I got problems. 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:31.359 Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know if you can ever 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.680 escape it. I think we do a lot of it 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:38.640 to ourselves, with our own self imposed deadlines and schedules 0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:43.879 and expectations. And when is enough enough? That's the age 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:48.680 old question. So when you work for yourself, that's something 0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.120 that you have to just decide, otherwise it takes over 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.680 and you just keep working. And I think that's probably where. 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.279 It's not situational or based on your setting. You're not 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.080 gonna you know, you're not gonna be able to ease 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:08.920 those burdens based on a place. Yeah, there's there are 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.960 other means of hopefully pursuing and achieving that piece. 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.520 You guys have the uber driver problem. This is what 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:16.239 this is what I think when I'm right with an 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:20.319 uber driver, I'm always like, how do you stop? Like, 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.600 if you're out, how do you not get one more ride? 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.480 And then one more ride and then one more ride? 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:29.480 And that's kind of the problem you guys have. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.480 Yeah, one more video, sure, one more. 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:33.840 Guest, one more podcast. 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:35.640 Yeah, very true. 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.840 It's scary to not to not enjoy the very life 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:42.000 you escaped too. 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:46.440 Yes, I see that a lot with people that do 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:51.239 content creation. Is when you're in control of your own 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:55.120 destiny sort of say, like you know your own business, 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.920 but it's your life, those lines get so blurred. You 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.680 have to go into it making hard decisions. Otherwise you'll 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.200 lose control, you'll lose yourself. 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:06.520 Our biggest battle is contentment. 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:08.760 Yeah, finding contentment. 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:13.279 That's because you have red blood and you are have 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.640 a heart beating, and you're human. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.280 Amen. Absolutely. 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.840 I remember in the music days, touring, it was it 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:25.000 was so easy to take one more tour date or 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.040 one more tour date, and so I would decide my 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.239 brother was my manager, which is, you know, by God's grace, 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:34.440 Tyler would help me through this, even though he you know, 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.560 managers make a significant amount of touring, so it's hard 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.279 for him too, but I would be like, hey, you know, 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.399 we're gonna take off December. And every time I would 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.000 say it, we're gonna take off December and January sometimes, 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.239 but every time I would say that, an offer would 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.719 come in on December fifteenth that paid more than we'd 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.520 ever made the whole year. And so then you're up 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.359 against this dilemmas. Then you start compromising, like, well, it's 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.640 just one date. See you called the bay and they're like, well, 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.319 once my wife and I was anniversary and we I 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.239 kind of thought we were off December and so we 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.440 were gonna, you know, had a nice dinner planned. And 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:11.719 I'm like, you know, but but this will you know, 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:14.480 I'll give you a bonus because this and you just 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.919 never that never ends. And it's not just touring, it's 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:23.120 in it. It's content creation, it's taking another uber ride. Yes, 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.040 even in the beautiful northern Idaho. 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.560 Yeah, very true. We are not immune. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.680 It doesn't seem to matter if you change your environment. 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.239 We're still humans. We still have those human tendencies in 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.719 that fallen nature of wanting more. 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.160 Would you recommend people to homeschool their kids, Yes. 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.880 I would. I'm very passionate for homeschool because I think 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.120 kids are built so differently, especially little boys. Little boys 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.279 are little boys, and I think it's so important to 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:57.440 let them be And the classroom environment, especially kindergarten first grade, 0:46:58.120 --> 0:46:59.840 is just not set up for little boys. It was 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.360 designed for little girls. And if you look at the 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.800 psychology of the classroom, it's very and then it becomes 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.880 very military. You stand in line for your lunch, you 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.640 have to raise your hand to go to the bathroom. 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.839 You have to stand in Little Rose. You learn in 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:16.040 Little Rose, you don't speak out a term. And I mean, 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.799 now the schools are kind of they've kind of lost 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:22.200 control of that. But that's not good either. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:27.319 So well, what to that point. I've studied a little 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.640 bit of the Commanches that they were the tribe that 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.920 ruled where we are right now, Like if it was 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.320 eighteen thirty, we would be dead, because they ruled this land. 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:44.319 And they were the most brilliant that the most effective 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:49.719 warhorse tribe that we know of that has ever been 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.759 on the face of the earth. They were incredible. It's 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:57.960 an amazing study. The Comanches are unbelievable. And one thing 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.040 that they did was day let their little boys be boys. 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:05.240 They didn't put them in any kind of school until 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:09.160 they were about thirteen, when they were becoming a man. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.720 They would go with the different men of the tribe, 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.440 which is also interesting something we don't do. We just 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.359 have dads today. But they would have the father and 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.799 the rest of the tribe and they would take that 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.200 boy and they would take everything that he learned and 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.880 harness it, harness all that wild energy and focus it. 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:32.839 And these men were incredible warriors. So the boys would fight. 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.080 They would ride horses at like three years old, like 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.040 Maverick's age. They would be on horseback on little ponies. 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:42.839 They would be shooting blunt arrows. They would fight each other. 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:44.840 They would punch you, you know, give each other black eyes. 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.319 They would swim, and they would the tribe would just 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.440 let the boys go. Yeah, that's the opposite of what 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.560 you just said about elementary school kids. 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:55.240 Yeah, they tell they tell kids to you know, hold 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.040 that question or don't ask questions out of term. Like 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:00.879 my little boy has a million in one questions. And 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.600 you know Maverick too, He's just chatting the whole time 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.680 and he has so many incredible things to say. And 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.680 I feel like we lose that as we get older 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.640 because it's trained out of us. We have to conform 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:14.960 to survive in the school environment. And when you just 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:20.919 let him be wild, they become these curious, innovative little 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:22.960 kids and they keep that. What they have at three 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:26.240 years old they still have at thirteen, and they're interested 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.640 in all kinds of weird stuff, and no one ever 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.600 tells him they're weird. So are nine And well, he 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:37.040 just turned ten. He's into some different things, and he does, 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.800 in a way struggle to find friends his own age 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:43.400 because he'll start talking about like the history of bulls 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:49.919 and yeah, just like really funny things. And he's really 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.160 into engineering and rockets and he's all over the place. 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:53.719 But when he tries to talk to another ten year 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.480 old about it, they'll be like, you're weird, and then 0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.000 he goes, am I weird, But he doesn't. He didn't 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.680 ever consider himself weird, just curious. 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:05.640 So people that can't see you right now, and even 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.280 if they can, you're behind the table, but you're very pregnant, yes, 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.880 and you do not know this baby, if it's a 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.520 boy or girl, might just be a little warrior in 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.520 there or a very special woman. 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.040 I think that it's a little boy. 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:21.120 You think it's a little lawyer in there, Okay, a 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:24.440 little Idaho wild boy running through those rivers. 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:25.920 Wild boy. Yeah. 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:27.400 Well, I'd like to have you guys on again and 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:27.880 then we'll know. 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:29.279 Yeah, but. 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.480 Maybe I'll just come visit you guys. Maybe that's now, 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.600 Hey man, maybe we'll do that. Maybe Okay, maybe we'll 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:38.319 go visit. But hey, thank you guys so much for 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:44.080 sharing incredible wisdom. And it's just I love the journey 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:45.960 you're on and like I said, it's just like you're 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.040 living a dream and I think it's fantastic. 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:50.239 Thanks for sure. 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:54.920 Thank you, Yeah, thank you guys. Thanks for joining me 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:58.240 on the Granger Smith Podcast. I appreciate all of you guys. 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.160 You could help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes. 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.560 If you're on YouTube, subscribe to this channel, hit that 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.000 little like button and notification spell so that you never 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.680 miss anytime I upload a video. 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:11.279 Yi