Speaker 1: Well, this is a special episode of the podcast, and
Speaker 1: I'm I am so glad that you two are with me.
Speaker 1: First of all, and I didn't plan this. I didn't
Speaker 1: wake up this morning and think that I was going
Speaker 1: to have you as guest on the podcast. But Jeremy
Speaker 1: and Melissa, you came up to my house from Idaho
Speaker 1: long ways to record a podcast with Amber and I
Speaker 1: and your podcast New World, Old Soul, and it's it's
Speaker 1: actually fantastic and very practical, and it is it's it's
Speaker 1: from the perspective of good simple living.
Speaker 2: I guess you could.
Speaker 1: Say, correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's accurate.
Speaker 1: Which is the vlog that you guys also have a
Speaker 1: family vlog. And I'm fascinated by your story though, And
Speaker 1: so as we were kind of setting up for your
Speaker 1: podcast here at the house, I said, Hey, do you
Speaker 1: want to get on my podcast? And you want to
Speaker 1: join me because I think a lot of people could
Speaker 1: benefit from your wisdom and the way that you process things,
Speaker 1: because a it's relatable the way that both of you
Speaker 1: process things as a family, and it's it's also innovative
Speaker 1: because you're also although you're relatable, you're doing things that
Speaker 1: people only dream about. Doing. First of all, respond to that, like,
Speaker 1: what what does that mean? When I say to you,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? When I say you're living a
Speaker 1: lot of people's dream.
Speaker 2: It's surreal for me. We have discussions about that very
Speaker 2: thing on a pretty regular basis because for us on
Speaker 2: all of this really has been a dream come true.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we felt called to do
Speaker 2: what it is that we've done, and it's God that's
Speaker 2: really seen us through. And you know, looking back for
Speaker 2: that reason, I think it's just kind of been surreal.
Speaker 2: It's a big risk for us to leave familiarity and
Speaker 2: take on a new chapter in our lives, and it's
Speaker 2: just it's been a tremendous, tremendous buzzing. It really has been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. We live very conventional lives before.
Speaker 1: Okay, start with that where were you before? Because when
Speaker 1: I say dream, it's like, this could be my dream.
Speaker 1: I woke up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: I go, man, babe, I just had an incredible dream.
Speaker 1: What was it? We moved to northern Idaho, thirty miles
Speaker 1: from the nearest gas station, started homeschooling the kids and
Speaker 1: homesteading with the most beautiful mountains are the Sawtooth Mountains.
Speaker 1: What are they call it?
Speaker 2: They are the Purcell Mountains, the Selkirk Mountains and the
Speaker 2: Cabinet Mountains. We are surrounded by mountains, three different ranges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, babe, I had this incredible dream. Three different
Speaker 1: mountain ranges in northern I are and we're living our
Speaker 1: lives there. What are we doing? Well, we're still vlogging
Speaker 1: and have a podcast, and you guys are living that dream.
Speaker 1: So start Melissa with the conventional life before. Where were
Speaker 1: you before so we can get to where you are now.
Speaker 3: We were right outside of Portland, Oregon, and Jeremy was
Speaker 3: a police officer and didn't love that because it was
Speaker 3: just this daily grind and we were getting by, but
Speaker 3: we couldn't get ahead, and times were getting funny for
Speaker 3: police officers during that time. Yeah, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of cultural stuff going on. And my biggest fear for him, well,
Speaker 3: I saw him start to almost despise the job, and
Speaker 3: I felt guilty as a stay at home mom that
Speaker 3: he was going to a job that he didn't like
Speaker 3: and that was dangerous. And then when I saw police
Speaker 3: officers being in prison for doing their job, that was
Speaker 3: my greatest fear. And I thought, I have to get
Speaker 3: him out of this because we're just depending on him only,
Speaker 3: and he had so much weight on his shoulders. And
Speaker 3: I thought, well, there's a thing called YouTube and other
Speaker 3: people are doing it, and maybe I could do it
Speaker 3: because I raise rabbits. So I started making rabbit videos.
Speaker 1: That's how this started.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're living a conventional life, like in every sense
Speaker 1: of the word, and you're what did you say, you're
Speaker 1: you're getting by but not getting ahead. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon, which, by the way, the last time
Speaker 1: I was there, when we played a show at the
Speaker 1: Palace Theater or something something like that, I remember looking
Speaker 1: out of the window of my bus and there was
Speaker 1: a homeless man laying right outside the door with a
Speaker 1: needle and is stuck in his arm and is the
Speaker 1: curb was his pillow and he was dead asleep, so
Speaker 1: that when we came out of the bus to go
Speaker 1: into the venue, we had to step over him. So
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of the setting. You're outside of
Speaker 1: Portland barely, Yeah, living a very unknown lifestyle as a
Speaker 1: police officer, and how many kids at the time we
Speaker 1: had four? And you thought I'd make I raised rabbits
Speaker 1: so we could do YouTube well.
Speaker 3: We started having this drive to become more self sufficient.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. In twenty twelve, I just decided
Speaker 3: we need to start learning to grow our own food
Speaker 3: and raise our own meat. We only had an acre,
Speaker 3: so we started raising meat rabbits, which was very weird
Speaker 3: at the time. People are like, you're gonna eat bunnies
Speaker 3: and we're like, well, we can't have cattle, and chickens
Speaker 3: are kind of gross. We did a couple hundred chickens
Speaker 3: and we thought so I started raising rabbits. We had
Speaker 3: a big garden. We turned our yard into this food forest,
Speaker 3: and then we wanted to do more. We were like,
Speaker 3: we need twenty acres. One acre isn't going to do it.
Speaker 3: And so we knew we needed to leave that area
Speaker 3: because it was so expensive, and I just thought, I'll
Speaker 3: teach people how to raise rabbits. So I was making
Speaker 3: dozens of dollars on YouTube, and he was like, you
Speaker 3: were wasting your time. This is never going to do anything.
Speaker 3: Please stop making these embarrassing rabbit videos because like people
Speaker 3: at his work, we're being like and this is how
Speaker 3: you take the hide off, and these are meat bananas
Speaker 3: sometimes good times. Yeah, I just thought this is the path, Like,
Speaker 3: this is the way?
Speaker 1: What did you think?
Speaker 2: I thought it was crazy. I literally thought it was
Speaker 2: a waste of time. I remember I recall conversations that
Speaker 2: we were having at home, like we can find better
Speaker 2: things to be doing with our time that will probably
Speaker 2: be more fruitful. But it we enjoyed doing it. It's
Speaker 2: what we were passionate about at the time, and so
Speaker 2: we just kind of kept going. She posted a video
Speaker 2: about how to process a meat rabbit. Didn't really check
Speaker 2: on it for a few weeks, and by the time
Speaker 2: we went back, we had YouTube asking us if we
Speaker 2: wanted to be monetized, and the video had like a
Speaker 2: million views, and so all of a sudden we saw
Speaker 2: some potential in it. We're like, hey, maybe we can
Speaker 2: devote a little more time, some you know, additional resources
Speaker 2: to this and just see what happens. It'd be great
Speaker 2: to cover a bill on a monthly basis, or you know,
Speaker 2: be able to cover our groceries what have you. And
Speaker 2: it just kind of took on a life of its
Speaker 2: own from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of police officer were you?
Speaker 2: I was at a patrol officer for ten years and
Speaker 2: then I needed a break. I was burnt out with
Speaker 2: chagging nine to one one calls and going to the
Speaker 2: same house as repeatedly dealing with the same offenders, the
Speaker 2: same people. So I left the road and became a
Speaker 2: school resource officer. Did that for additional three years, which
Speaker 2: was a great assignment. I actually genuinely enjoyed doing that.
Speaker 2: It was great just interacting with the kids on a
Speaker 2: day to day basis and then feeling as well as
Speaker 2: having an impact on these very young, malleable minds.
Speaker 1: So Kentucky Ballistics Daniel Arms from Arms Family homestead. He left.
Speaker 1: He was a Oklahoma State trooper state trooper, which is funny.
Speaker 1: Lunkers TV Rob Turkla is he's back in the He's
Speaker 1: back in the police academy now, So there there is
Speaker 1: a connection between being a police officer and a YouTuber. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I watched Daniel's specif for a really long time, and
Speaker 2: of course I was drawing to his content given that
Speaker 2: we had, you know, this shared profession in common, and
Speaker 2: was able to have a couple of full conversations with
Speaker 2: him prior to us deciding to leave law enforcement and
Speaker 2: devote ourselves to YouTube. So he was a huge source
Speaker 2: of inspiration for us with what it is we were
Speaker 2: desiring to do. But it is really interesting. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of people with law enforcement backgrounds that somehow
Speaker 2: managed to work their way.
Speaker 3: Into YouTube trying to figure out how to get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, so get me to the getting out.
Speaker 1: So now in the world do you get to Idaho
Speaker 1: from here? This sounds impossible?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we had this retirement plan of retiring in
Speaker 3: Idaho because we just thought it was a beautiful area
Speaker 3: and we felt that it was a very safe area
Speaker 3: to do the whole homestead. We're kind of prepper minded
Speaker 3: and we just like diving into stuff like that, like, hey,
Speaker 3: no matter what happens, you could have this safe little homestead.
Speaker 3: And it was kind of a bug out property for us. Okay,
Speaker 3: And we thought ten year plan, fifteen year plan, maybe
Speaker 3: we sell it. If the we probably would have ended
Speaker 3: up selling it if we hadn't done YouTube, because prices
Speaker 3: went up so high during the pandemic. Yeah, And we
Speaker 3: had this property for about six months totally off grid
Speaker 3: field in the middle of nowhere, no water to it,
Speaker 3: just nothing, and I was like, we should move to it,
Speaker 3: we should just and He's just what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: She's making all these kind of decisions, which are crazy decisions,
Speaker 1: very bold woman.
Speaker 3: They were, they were nuts, but I just felt like
Speaker 3: God was calling us out there. We called it the
Speaker 3: Promised Land, and we just I called him at work
Speaker 3: one day and I said, I think we should go
Speaker 3: and we should YouTube it and we'll just I mean,
Speaker 3: I was like, I made eight hundred dollars last month
Speaker 3: on YouTube, and I'm like, it's not going to go
Speaker 3: down if we go there, it'll only go up. So
Speaker 3: maybe we could figure out some other stuff, like we
Speaker 3: can get by, we'll live in the trailer, we'll sell
Speaker 3: the house. And he's just like, uh okay, and like
Speaker 3: two weeks later he quit his job. It was basically
Speaker 3: like we were running on adrenaline in faith and I
Speaker 3: don't know why. We just both felt like that's what
Speaker 3: we were supposed to go do. But it was insane
Speaker 3: looking back at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild, man, I mean that is just Daniel
Speaker 1: Arms didn't even do it that way. He had to
Speaker 1: get to a certain amount of income. And two but
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, all of us did crazy things. And
Speaker 1: do you think, actually, if you think there wasn't a pandemic.
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have been motivated to to
Speaker 1: make that leap.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that the desire definitely would
Speaker 2: have been there. I don't know that we actually would
Speaker 2: have followed through, though, But.
Speaker 3: We didn't go till April of twenty twenty, and it
Speaker 3: hadn't actually started.
Speaker 1: When we left True House.
Speaker 3: So when we started doing showings like it all happened
Speaker 3: the same week, and then it felt very meant to be,
Speaker 3: like we're supposed to get out of here, and so
Speaker 3: we felt like because we didn't even know what it
Speaker 3: was at that time, we didn't know how serious it was.
Speaker 3: Remember the first initial reports were really scared. Knew how
Speaker 3: serious or not serious it was, and we thought like,
Speaker 3: if this turns into bolop, will be out in the mountains.
Speaker 1: Did you guys get vaccinated?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Did your Did your department require it?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they ultimately did. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of agencies in within Washington State did. I wasn't
Speaker 2: willing to do that and take that risk, so that
Speaker 2: would have been something that we would have had to
Speaker 2: confront head on at some point. I assume I don't
Speaker 2: think they required it, but.
Speaker 1: There are people I know that are in eastern Oregon
Speaker 1: that want to be part of Idaho. Yes, they want
Speaker 1: to secede from from.
Speaker 2: The greater Greater Idaho movement.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, I also know I have some dear friends
Speaker 1: that have to travel the world with that. They're in
Speaker 1: Campus Valley, Oregon, down down south, and so there's and
Speaker 1: it's the same in California. Yes, you get in New York,
Speaker 1: you get all these people that are kind of trapped
Speaker 1: in a state that's led by the ideas of the city,
Speaker 1: the liberal city that is pushing people out. And it's
Speaker 1: it's a shame because Oregon is an incredibly beautiful state.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: And so it's California, so it's New York. In Texas,
Speaker 1: we feel that same pressure out of the city of Austin.
Speaker 1: And and so you're gonna get a trailer. You're going
Speaker 1: to go to the Promised Land, the Promised Land, and
Speaker 1: all the people in Idaho are like, no more Oregon
Speaker 1: people stay out, you know, But you guys are going,
Speaker 1: we're gonna, We're gonna do this. So at what point
Speaker 1: did you start to formulate the idea of homesteading and
Speaker 1: homeschooling And we're not just gonna We're not gonna make
Speaker 1: a slight jump. We're going all in, neck deep. We're
Speaker 1: going thirty miles. You told me earlier from the nearest
Speaker 1: gas station. Where did all that come from?
Speaker 3: The land we bought, we've I never actually thought we'd
Speaker 3: live on it. I thought like, this is just really beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's a great investment. It's somewhere to put cash that
Speaker 3: we've been saving our whole lives. And so when we
Speaker 3: moved out there, it did feel very remote. We had
Speaker 3: already homeschooleder that's what we did. I was a public
Speaker 3: school teacher before, and then when I had my daughter,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to put her in the system because
Speaker 3: being someone who experienced it, I thought this doesn't fit
Speaker 3: all kids, and I feel like I could probably do better.
Speaker 3: I would know my kids better, and so I quit teaching.
Speaker 3: I called my principal from the hospital and said I'm
Speaker 3: not coming back, which stinks because it was August and
Speaker 3: she's like, what am I going to do for a
Speaker 3: kindergarten teacher. I'm like, oh't no, I'm not coming back.
Speaker 3: And I never did. So we had always homeschooled, so
Speaker 3: that was an easy transition.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and so.
Speaker 3: We weren't uprooting our kids from schools and these big
Speaker 3: friend groups. So that was an easier decision to make
Speaker 3: because if you have kids that are plugged into schools
Speaker 3: and programs and sports, you're now changing their whole lives.
Speaker 1: So what about sports now? Are their sports involved with
Speaker 1: your kids?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do gymnastics. Novella. Our oldest is now eighteen
Speaker 2: years old, but she I told you she plays guitar,
Speaker 2: has done music her entire life. Our youngest son, Eli,
Speaker 2: is actually really into bull riding somehow. That's kind of
Speaker 2: taken on the life of its own as well. But
Speaker 2: he's been doing little rodeo events in northern Idaho and
Speaker 2: had a lot of fun with that. But they each
Speaker 2: get to choose one thing that they want to devote
Speaker 2: themselves to when it comes to extracurricular activities, and.
Speaker 1: So they have because it costs fifty dollars just to
Speaker 1: get to their place because fuel, for sure, that's a.
Speaker 3: Fact, especially in the winter time. Yeah, it's definitely it's
Speaker 3: challenging when you're homeschool. There's challenges that go with that.
Speaker 3: It's it's not like, oh, they have every opportunity like
Speaker 3: you're kind of lying to yourself if you say that
Speaker 3: it is different and they are more isolated, and they
Speaker 3: have a smaller friend group and they get to pick
Speaker 3: one activity, and it's just the reality of it. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also a big difference. We built this house
Speaker 1: here that we're in, and we lived in the trailer
Speaker 1: in the barn, so there's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: parallel with the Smiths and you guys there except for
Speaker 1: one huge difference in it's three letters the I why
Speaker 1: do you build that house?
Speaker 2: We built the overwhelming majority of it. Yeah, the structure itself.
Speaker 2: We had things like plumbing an electric that we're done
Speaker 2: just because I'm not real familiar with the code, so
Speaker 2: we just brought in contractors to take care of that
Speaker 2: aspect of it. But pretty much everything else, you know,
Speaker 2: we put up all the walls and did all the
Speaker 2: sheet rock, dryer wall. Yeah, there's a lot of work
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 1: How self sustaining is this home?
Speaker 3: It needs to be better. So we're going to start
Speaker 3: doing solar projects and things this year.
Speaker 1: But I have no doubt you will.
Speaker 3: We're totally self sustained with water. We have a huge garden,
Speaker 3: big food storage. So it's pretty much just power we
Speaker 3: need to improve at this point.
Speaker 1: Do you think solar's to take it for this so far?
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing. Yeah, that's our plan for this year.
Speaker 2: That's our big infrastructure project that we're gonna be working on.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a big solar array. You know, We've
Speaker 2: considered like propeane generators as well, but I think solar
Speaker 2: for us ultimately is is gonna be the ticket. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so to making sure that we can provide for ourselves
Speaker 2: when we have to do.
Speaker 1: You get a little bit of anxiety thinking like it's
Speaker 1: not there yet and if something hits, you know, if
Speaker 1: the world goes down in flames, and yeah, we were
Speaker 1: almost there but we didn't get it.
Speaker 2: It's always kind of in the back of our minds,
Speaker 2: which is the reason we're prioritizing it this year. It's
Speaker 2: just been such a long journey to get to this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, definitely. We felt more of that when
Speaker 3: we were in the trailer. It's like, oh, jeez, if
Speaker 3: everything went down now, like we're stuck in this trailer.
Speaker 3: So it was night one, we're sleeping in the trailer.
Speaker 3: We had no home. There was like we had burned
Speaker 3: the ships. There was no going back. He quit his job.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: So we're in this tiny trailer. How big was the trailer?
Speaker 2: Twenty four fet It was a twenty six.
Speaker 3: Twenty six feet. It wasn't like one of those big
Speaker 3: fifth wheels or anything. It was not eight And it
Speaker 3: was like night one. It was freezing cold, and the
Speaker 3: water pump broke. It froze and water just poured throughout
Speaker 3: the trailer night one, and I thought, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Like so the very next day we started building the
Speaker 3: tiny home in the shop. Okay, I was like, we
Speaker 3: can't do this. This isn't fair to the kids. So
Speaker 3: there's guilt and stuff that goes along with that. It's like,
Speaker 3: are we living our dream? Are we just being crazy?
Speaker 3: Are we going to have to go back with our
Speaker 3: tails tucked? Beg for you to do that?
Speaker 2: Nine months in the trailer, it's doable.
Speaker 1: As a parent, though, your dream is their dream. They
Speaker 1: don't get to have a dream, yeah, not yet at least.
Speaker 1: How old were they at the time.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, theil was thirteen. Yeah was thirteen.
Speaker 1: I think thirteen year olds don't get dreams.
Speaker 2: She's along with the ride.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't along for the rids.
Speaker 2: She get thirteen ten eight and four or five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was little, yeah, was four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We were in uh we were paralleling you guys, and
Speaker 1: around the same time. And so although we didn't have
Speaker 1: the the Idaho winters and we were in.
Speaker 3: A barn that was you had Texas summers.
Speaker 1: And we had Texas summers though, lots of scorpions and
Speaker 1: crickets and daddy long legs. Fascinating because you said burn
Speaker 1: the ships. That's a that is what we think is
Speaker 1: something Cortes said or did at one point in my life.
Speaker 1: I looked that up and we're not sure, like, no
Speaker 1: one's really sure if Cortes did that story. But it's
Speaker 1: so romantic that he you know, he hit the shores
Speaker 1: and he said, we ain't going back to Spain. I'm
Speaker 1: burning the ships down. So that all you could commit
Speaker 1: to the new cause, because if I don't burn the ships,
Speaker 1: then you'll think there's a chance if it gets bad enough,
Speaker 1: or if something if we get sick enough, or whatever happens,
Speaker 1: we could always pull the cord here, pull the parashue
Speaker 1: and jump in the ships and go back to Spain
Speaker 1: and Cortes burned them so that you have to commit,
Speaker 1: and you guys committed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had to sell the house and everything. We thought,
Speaker 3: should we rent it out? No, because it's too easy
Speaker 3: to go back. So I heard this advice, if you
Speaker 3: really want to succeed at something, put yourself in a
Speaker 3: place where you cannot fail, like if you fail, you're
Speaker 3: gonna die and so and then that's how you succeed,
Speaker 3: because it's sheer desperation. You will just keep going. And
Speaker 3: we had the kids depending.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a ba set, it's a philosophy, and it
Speaker 2: became our driving force behind getting everything done. I mean
Speaker 2: we'd wake up on days. We had a composing toilet
Speaker 2: system that we use for two and a half years.
Speaker 2: It was not fun, it was not easy. I was
Speaker 2: responsible for that task and it just like I said,
Speaker 2: it was just a mentality of no matter what, state committed,
Speaker 2: Like you said, keep going for.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was it? It was a five gallon bucket system
Speaker 2: of rotating five gallon buckets that had to be cleaned
Speaker 2: out on a day to day.
Speaker 3: Basis with pine shavings. It was much those fancy composting.
Speaker 2: So I would literally dispose of everything on the far
Speaker 2: or far end of the property, which was a long walk,
Speaker 2: especially when we had two feet of stow on the ground.
Speaker 2: And that was our life for two and a half years.
Speaker 3: We called it the walk of shame.
Speaker 1: So you're walking poop literally through the snow. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: what a story to tell the kids.
Speaker 3: You had the burden of the entire family in those buckets.
Speaker 1: So you say composting, But what I mean is that
Speaker 1: like improving the land or did you act did it?
Speaker 1: Or you just dumping it?
Speaker 2: It was being dumped, So it's technically composted down since
Speaker 2: you know, over the past couple of years. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's composting in place we went planting. Plant the tree
Speaker 2: there one day?
Speaker 3: Maybe don't let's just say we don't garden over there.
Speaker 2: It's it's on the far far end of the property.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: As crazy as it sounds, though, I love that, And
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember our time was such a special
Speaker 1: time living in that RV because, for one, we were
Speaker 1: just so in tune with the weather, with nature. If
Speaker 1: it was raining, we all knew it. If it was hot,
Speaker 1: we all knew it. If the temperature was dropping, we
Speaker 1: all knew it. If if there was a bat that
Speaker 1: got in the barn and the dogs were chasing her,
Speaker 1: we all knew it. If there were you know, if
Speaker 1: a skunk made it into the barn, which happened, we
Speaker 1: all knew it. And and I there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that laments that living in a house that's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of air conditioned in the insulated walls, and you
Speaker 1: you don't is it raining outside? Is it dark outside?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: I didn't know it's it's already dark in the r V,
Speaker 1: you know everything.
Speaker 2: Yep, that sounds so familiar. I actually missed that era,
Speaker 2: that period of time. For as as miserable as it
Speaker 2: as it was at times, I relished in just the
Speaker 2: adventure of it. And kind of like you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: you you were very familiar and aware of everything that
Speaker 2: was happening. And I missed that as well. You become
Speaker 2: too comfortable when you have a nice house and you
Speaker 2: don't go outside, heated.
Speaker 3: Go outside play and so the kids played more.
Speaker 1: They the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the next question is are our AI relationships more fulfilling?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break and I'm gonna get to this.
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Speaker 1: So I mentioned are AI relationships more fulfilling? What's the
Speaker 1: argument on that? This is an episode of the podcast.
Speaker 2: You guys did it is? What does stem from?
Speaker 3: It was a people developing those AI like actual love
Speaker 3: relationships and compatibility relationships, which is so crazy. But I
Speaker 3: think we do that with our content creators too, or
Speaker 3: our podcasters would become very attached to these online personalities.
Speaker 1: I have been kind of like preaching this to my
Speaker 1: band and crew for at least a decade, and for
Speaker 1: a while they were like, you're grainder yourself stupid. Would
Speaker 1: you stop talking about this? But as we as we
Speaker 1: talk about AI and this interesting thing to think about,
Speaker 1: as you're like homesteading and you're you're so far from
Speaker 1: the danger of these things. I believe wholeheartedly that first,
Speaker 1: you know, AI will be in robotics, and we all
Speaker 1: know it's going to be doing laundry and cleaning houses
Speaker 1: and mowing the grass and shuttling cars back and forth.
Speaker 1: I understand all that. And ELI is saying that every
Speaker 1: house will have one, and I agree with them. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be eventually, it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: cell phones and it'll it'll really help when you're talking
Speaker 1: about like elderly and childcare. Even though it sounds horrifying
Speaker 1: right now, it's coming. But I think the thing that
Speaker 1: most people are missing, it's this your episode. I think
Speaker 1: what people are missing is people will develop relationships with
Speaker 1: these AI personalities and this will be a huge demise
Speaker 1: to the human population.
Speaker 2: Agreed. Yeah, yeah, I think there is definitely an element
Speaker 2: of evil to it. That's my personal take.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were just talking about the Elon worship,
Speaker 3: which I know that maybe this makes me very unpopular.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I feel like when Elon Musk kind of came to
Speaker 3: the other side, right he joined the Trump team, everyone
Speaker 3: got really excited to have him. Like Elon Musk, He's
Speaker 3: a witchest man in the world. He's so smart, and
Speaker 3: now he's dancing at Trump rallies and everybody rallied around
Speaker 3: him without asking any questions. And he is such an
Speaker 3: advocate for the AI, even though he'll go on a
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan podcast and talk about how dangerous it is,
Speaker 3: but he's pushing it, and it's I are we not
Speaker 3: questioning what his actual motives are? Can we trust this man?
Speaker 3: Just because he's at Trump rallies. Does that mean that
Speaker 3: we need to put all of our support and trust
Speaker 3: behind him? Or is what he's ushering in dangerous and evil?
Speaker 3: And is it? I mean, it's clearly it's not of God,
Speaker 3: not natural, it's not what God intended for mankind. So
Speaker 3: why are we all just like Elon?
Speaker 4: Look at him.
Speaker 1: I saw him dancing to that point, and he was
Speaker 1: like doing the fist pump in the air, and suddenly
Speaker 1: I saw him in a new light. When I saw that,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he Like, he's the guy in
Speaker 1: high school that's like no one has ever noticed him
Speaker 1: and right, and all of a sudden, this is although
Speaker 1: he's had more money than anyone in the world, and
Speaker 1: he's had, you know, incredible platforms, he's never had a
Speaker 1: crowd of people screaming for him, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you could just see the kid in him.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, this is great elation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel the same with like the zuck you know,
Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberger was always this nerd and now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, he's on Joe Rogan and he's feeling really
Speaker 3: cool and he's getting invited to sit at the cool
Speaker 3: kid table and he loves it. But we have to
Speaker 3: question those motives still because you have to remember what
Speaker 3: they just did in the past and what they want
Speaker 3: to usher in in the future. I mean, his whole
Speaker 3: platform is called meta or are we not worried about
Speaker 3: this for the human race and for the human soul?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So you guys have a very successful vlog in podcast.
Speaker 1: How are you uploading these videos using starlink? That's that's
Speaker 1: what I thought You're gonna say. That's interesting, right? It is?
Speaker 1: Love it or hate it?
Speaker 2: It? Useful me? Wrong? Absolutely, It's an incredible innovation, for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take that away from that. I
Speaker 2: just think, yeah, I think the whole concept of AI,
Speaker 2: especially when you start talking about human integration, just for
Speaker 2: me again personally, I think there's an element of evil
Speaker 2: to it, and it's it's terrifying. I think it should
Speaker 2: be to most of us.
Speaker 1: At what point would you pull the plug on the
Speaker 1: public presence that you have? And I know you've thought
Speaker 1: about this, yes, I know you've thought, like, I'm not
Speaker 1: truly off the grid until I'm also off the Internet.
Speaker 2: I think the response is gonna be different for each
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, well, I think Jeremy would shoot the writer tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I absolutely would and walk away from all of it.
Speaker 2: But before you.
Speaker 1: Go, what would what would cause that?
Speaker 2: I just crave purity and simplicity and it was a
Speaker 2: big part of the motivation for me to want to
Speaker 2: move my family where where we did with where we are,
Speaker 2: and I do feel like the the interwebs, if you will,
Speaker 2: take take from that. So I'm not again incredible technology
Speaker 2: and innovation, but I think it takes away from everything
Speaker 2: it is that I desired for myself and my kids
Speaker 2: and relocating my family, the blessing and the curse.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Like you're a blogger as well, so you
Speaker 3: realize when you go on a vacation and you're just
Speaker 3: trying to take something in, but yet you need to
Speaker 3: make the vlog there is That's I think that's a
Speaker 3: hard thing for the audience to hear too, because they're like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute. But as the person who's doing it,
Speaker 3: or you're watching your kid blow their birthday candles out
Speaker 3: and you're trying to get the right shot of that,
Speaker 3: you sort of miss it in real life. So we'll
Speaker 3: literally have we'll sing happy Birthday, and then we'll do
Speaker 3: it again for the camera, because I want to see
Speaker 3: my son blow his birthday candles out in your real life.
Speaker 3: So or we'll go on a vacation and five days
Speaker 3: are for filming in five days, no cameras.
Speaker 1: WHOA, So it makes sense strategic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be or it will. When you
Speaker 3: vlog your life, it can become all consuming and everything
Speaker 3: becomes content and now your real life is a show
Speaker 3: and you miss your children growing up.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a maturity that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't get to in a short amount of time. How
Speaker 1: did you get to that?
Speaker 2: I just had this innate internal sense of I guess
Speaker 2: it's all it's going to be subjective, But for us,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, we don't want to interfere with our
Speaker 2: family's reality. You only have one got it raising your children,
Speaker 2: and we want to make sure that we are as
Speaker 2: present as possible for every moment ideally, And so you know,
Speaker 2: cameras have a tendency due to interfere with that. And
Speaker 2: I always tell her it's like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be making memories through the lens of a camera. I
Speaker 2: want to make sure that I'm making memories for myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an ongoing battle.
Speaker 3: It's very beginning. We would have our kids say certain things,
Speaker 3: or we would do these little skits that were fun
Speaker 3: and the audience loved them and they were clearly skits,
Speaker 3: but our kids were having to play these roles. And
Speaker 3: then we finally just decided we used to do this
Speaker 3: happy dance thing. And then one time we got in
Speaker 3: a fight over it because he was like, no, you're
Speaker 3: not like gyrating right or something. I don't remember what
Speaker 3: it was, but we had to keep redoing it, and
Speaker 3: then we got into an argument. Our kids were standing
Speaker 3: there like staring at us argue over the happy dance,
Speaker 3: and that was the last time we ever happy dance.
Speaker 3: People would bring back the dance were like, never, the
Speaker 3: dance is dead. The dance coused to fight.
Speaker 1: So that is such good parenting. That's such a good
Speaker 1: foresight to to prioritize their mental health. Because I'm a woggert.
Speaker 1: We're not saying none of us are saying that vogging
Speaker 1: is bad or it's it's unhealthy. Uh, We're just saying
Speaker 1: it's it's good to have limits and to prioritize certain things.
Speaker 1: For this might be an example for me. I've filmed.
Speaker 1: I have filmed many blowing out birthday candles. But I
Speaker 1: also genuinely love cameras and filming and storytelling. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: part of the old songwriter in me and the current
Speaker 1: sermon writer in me. I love storytelling and I love
Speaker 1: one of the ways I like to do it is
Speaker 1: through a lens, and so I don't feel Amber does,
Speaker 1: though she feels just like you. She's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this, and I'm like, hey, never you
Speaker 1: ever have to vlog if you don't want to, And
Speaker 1: so I don't. She hasn't done it a long time.
Speaker 1: But I am like, I love. I love filming, and
Speaker 1: especially love now the collection of videos that we've put out.
Speaker 1: That we get to watch these home videos, yes, in
Speaker 1: a way that we just wouldn't have And so there's
Speaker 1: a there's a plus and a negative. And I love
Speaker 1: the way you guys are just thinking through what's what's
Speaker 1: the priority here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just all about boundaries and balance. But
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I ironically enough, I love having all
Speaker 2: of those memories to look back upon them, just seeing
Speaker 2: the kids get older over time, you know, with our
Speaker 2: home build and seeing everything it is that we managed
Speaker 2: to pull off for ourselves. It's they're so incredibly precious
Speaker 2: to me. They're like highly polished home videos. So I
Speaker 2: love having that it's just in your day to day
Speaker 2: life and routine. When it comes specifically to the kids,
Speaker 2: it's like, I want to make sure that we're setting
Speaker 2: those boundaries and doing what I just personally feels right
Speaker 2: for Yeah.
Speaker 3: If it were just us, I don't think that we
Speaker 3: would have that these same tortured conversations. But yeah, kids absolutely,
Speaker 3: it's always about their privacy.
Speaker 1: And we'll link these videos in description and I would
Speaker 1: encourage people listening right now, if you're not watching, to
Speaker 1: go to the YouTube version of this episode and comment
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on this. And we've talked about
Speaker 1: several different things, and I think vlogging that being the
Speaker 1: least of these things, but more importantly probably homesteading and
Speaker 1: the journey off.
Speaker 2: The grid, which is where you guys are head.
Speaker 1: So cool, and I would love to continue to touch
Speaker 1: base with you guys and see others journeys going until
Speaker 1: one day I text you and you go, we're off, man,
Speaker 1: that was it? Or you just don't answer because you
Speaker 1: literally don't have cell phones.
Speaker 3: Shot the router. Yeah, without Wi Fi calling, there is
Speaker 3: no calling phone.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Can you guys help me answer some questions
Speaker 1: on here?
Speaker 2: For sure?
Speaker 1: This is what we do typically on this podcast, and
Speaker 1: this first one, and by the way, these man just
Speaker 1: got me these like five minutes ago before we started recording,
Speaker 1: five minutes before we started recording this one. First one
Speaker 1: from Samantha and says Haig Grander, a close friend of
Speaker 1: mine and I had a falling out for something pretty small.
Speaker 1: But now it feels like our relationship and our friendship
Speaker 1: is hanging by a thread. I want to fix things,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know where to start. I'm afraid
Speaker 1: it might just make things worse. How do you handle
Speaker 1: disagreements with friends and know if it's worth trying to
Speaker 1: repair their relationship?
Speaker 2: Samantha, That'd be a tough one for me to answer.
Speaker 2: I would say it's definitely worthwhile. I'm not always the
Speaker 2: best when it comes to forgiveness. Let's say, so what
Speaker 2: do you got, Mama?
Speaker 3: So you're a grudge folder?
Speaker 2: You agree with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremy, when he draws a line, it's a hard
Speaker 3: line and it's permanent, and so it's something that we
Speaker 3: talk about and I think you'll continue to work.
Speaker 2: On maybe I'm a work in progress. I would say
Speaker 2: it is worthwhile one, so it is it is worth
Speaker 2: the effort, and I will heed my own advice here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is worthwhile to put in that effort to maintain
Speaker 2: those relationships or repair those relationships because ultimately, that's h
Speaker 2: That's all we have in the end, right is your
Speaker 2: loved ones, your friends and family. So definitely a worth
Speaker 2: while investment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say if something really caused a
Speaker 3: big riff that was small, there was probably some stuff
Speaker 3: that happened earlier that caused something little to cause something
Speaker 3: to mountain, you know, turn into a mountain. So probably
Speaker 3: look at what caused those little irritations in the beginning,
Speaker 3: and whether or not your friendship is compatible or what
Speaker 3: what was the problems? What's the actual problem, because it's
Speaker 3: probably not what the small argument.
Speaker 2: It gets small.
Speaker 1: So one of the part of a question is I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start because she might make things worse.
Speaker 1: Do you have people like this in your life right now?
Speaker 1: Like when I read the question from Samantha, do you think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1: Is it because of the home setting thing. Is it
Speaker 1: because of the move from Oregon or no different?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yours is more childhood based.
Speaker 2: Oh before that, yeah, this long standing family stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremy's had to kind of protect himself from the
Speaker 3: time he was a little kid, so his experience is different.
Speaker 2: So defense mechanism. I know that I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 1: So the host setting thing, it's getting even more complex
Speaker 1: now when you think of it in that way, it.
Speaker 3: Allows you to isolate yourself exactly. Yeah, where you don't
Speaker 3: have to integrate. It's so easy to just pull back
Speaker 3: and live in this little comfort bubble. We're both extreme introverts.
Speaker 3: Usually an introvert, Mary is an extrovert, and the extrovert
Speaker 3: encourages the introvert to get out there and patch up relationships.
Speaker 3: And when it's two introverts and our comfort place is
Speaker 3: to pull back, we do that and then we tell
Speaker 3: each other that's good. So that could be dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're like, this is cozy. We love living in our
Speaker 3: our acorn and and in there we stay like a
Speaker 3: little squirrel family.
Speaker 1: So how in the world do you reconcile what you
Speaker 1: just said with going out and getting podcasts and going
Speaker 1: to Nashville and Dallas and now Austin. What do you guys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing because it's not that we are
Speaker 2: like so withdrawn that we don't like interacting with people.
Speaker 2: We actually love having these types of conversations, having an
Speaker 2: opportunity to speak with you and amer today. We love people,
Speaker 2: we love getting to know people, but we also relish
Speaker 2: our privacy and having our own little cocoon of our
Speaker 2: own rules that we get to set for ourselves. I
Speaker 2: guess you could say, but there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of bloggers like that. Have you experienced that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that are total introverts, very different.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you're you're right alongside Samantha going, I don't
Speaker 1: know where to start?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying? I would say, I have
Speaker 2: an idea about maybe where you could start, but it's
Speaker 2: not always easy to get there. Whereas and where do
Speaker 2: you start by reaching out? You know, having those tough conversations,
Speaker 2: potentially apologizing, saying sorry, expressing the love that you have
Speaker 2: for your your friend or family member. Yeah, again I
Speaker 2: would I would have to heed my own advice.
Speaker 1: Here, But do you know what's hard is apologizing without
Speaker 1: passing the blame at all. Yes, because we have a
Speaker 1: tendency to say I'm sorry you feel that way, even
Speaker 1: though I you know, I couldn't help it, you know,
Speaker 1: like that. We don't always say it that way, but
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very disingenuous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you don't what I have to learn. Interesting.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting lesson for me. Uh it. This
Speaker 1: is a recent lesson that I could do someone wrong
Speaker 1: when there actually isn't something morally wrong with what I did,
Speaker 1: but it could have been in the judgment of the
Speaker 1: situation that started the whole thing in the first place. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, here's an analogy. I could take Lincoln to
Speaker 1: the zoo and then take him into the guerrilla cage
Speaker 1: and then grab him harshly and say let's go, we
Speaker 1: have to get out of here. And when I do
Speaker 1: that to Lincoln, that's not wrong of me to be
Speaker 1: very intense and grab him and say we have to go,
Speaker 1: we have to get out of here. It's nothing wrong morally.
Speaker 1: In fact, you would say you need to do that,
Speaker 1: But the problem was the wisdom and taking him into
Speaker 1: the grilla cage in the very beginning. So I could
Speaker 1: have put in that situation, apologize to him and say
Speaker 1: I was wrong knowing me getting him out of the
Speaker 1: grilla cage. There was nothing wrong with that, it was
Speaker 1: the wisdom. And so it's hard to apologize without bringing
Speaker 1: yourself into it at all. Samantha might be there, Oh
Speaker 1: maybe you are.
Speaker 3: Maybe so, maybe Samantha is helping you.
Speaker 2: Maybe she thank you, Samantha.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's just human nature to want to
Speaker 3: defend yourself too. So anytime that you feel like you're
Speaker 3: being targeted or someone's attacking you, you want to defend
Speaker 3: yourself and you want to say I did this even
Speaker 3: though it was bad. Yeah, I did this because you
Speaker 3: made me or it was your actions that caused me
Speaker 3: to behave this way. Yes, even though that's not necessarily
Speaker 3: it's truth. The way you react is on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a do you have a spot where
Speaker 1: you guys sit at your place and kind of look
Speaker 1: at the mountain, the different mountain ranges and just think,
Speaker 1: this is this is life, This is unwinding everywhere.
Speaker 2: But I'd say, our slider in our living room, it's
Speaker 2: just slider. It's a big, just living room slider. It's
Speaker 2: our primary entry into and out of our home and
Speaker 2: we gaze out at a beautiful, sheer, rocky mountain face
Speaker 2: that we have there.
Speaker 3: I think going out with the horses is our online time.
Speaker 3: There's something about horses because they're so simple, but they're
Speaker 3: so complex. And when you just go out there and
Speaker 3: just sit with them and watch them and the mountains
Speaker 3: are there, that's where it's like the rest of the
Speaker 3: world shuts off. You can be so stressed out and
Speaker 3: it'll be like, let's go see the horses.
Speaker 2: Soothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question that this is not an indictment,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of asking, like the rhetorical question of
Speaker 1: all the listeners right now, what can you possibly be
Speaker 1: stressed out about? In northern Idaho, thirty miles from the
Speaker 1: gas station.
Speaker 2: We're incredibly blessed. Don't get me wrong. Our stresses are
Speaker 2: so insignificant to so many others. But we have, you know,
Speaker 2: just some self imposed stress. I think it's more just
Speaker 2: our own mentality and the pressures that we put on
Speaker 2: ourselves is probably the primary source of our stress.
Speaker 1: So would you tell people that, oh, you can escape it.
Speaker 1: A life has its burdens because of this following world
Speaker 1: we live in, and even going to northern Idaho and
Speaker 1: building a house and enjoying all the mountain ranges. You
Speaker 1: can't escape it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe if you were fully retired, or you were
Speaker 3: you won the lottery or something, maybe you really could escape.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know the answer. You're saying
Speaker 1: that it's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 3: I know it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get someone right here that won the lottery
Speaker 1: and ask and they would say, no, I got problems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know if you can ever
Speaker 3: escape it. I think we do a lot of it
Speaker 3: to ourselves, with our own self imposed deadlines and schedules
Speaker 3: and expectations. And when is enough enough? That's the age
Speaker 3: old question. So when you work for yourself, that's something
Speaker 3: that you have to just decide, otherwise it takes over
Speaker 3: and you just keep working. And I think that's probably where.
Speaker 2: It's not situational or based on your setting. You're not
Speaker 2: gonna you know, you're not gonna be able to ease
Speaker 2: those burdens based on a place. Yeah, there's there are
Speaker 2: other means of hopefully pursuing and achieving that piece.
Speaker 1: You guys have the uber driver problem. This is what
Speaker 1: this is what I think when I'm right with an
Speaker 1: uber driver, I'm always like, how do you stop? Like,
Speaker 1: if you're out, how do you not get one more ride?
Speaker 1: And then one more ride and then one more ride?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the problem you guys have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more video, sure, one more.
Speaker 1: Guest, one more podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1: It's scary to not to not enjoy the very life
Speaker 1: you escaped too.
Speaker 3: Yes, I see that a lot with people that do
Speaker 3: content creation. Is when you're in control of your own
Speaker 3: destiny sort of say, like you know your own business,
Speaker 3: but it's your life, those lines get so blurred. You
Speaker 3: have to go into it making hard decisions. Otherwise you'll
Speaker 3: lose control, you'll lose yourself.
Speaker 2: Our biggest battle is contentment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finding contentment.
Speaker 1: That's because you have red blood and you are have
Speaker 1: a heart beating, and you're human.
Speaker 2: Amen. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I remember in the music days, touring, it was it
Speaker 1: was so easy to take one more tour date or
Speaker 1: one more tour date, and so I would decide my
Speaker 1: brother was my manager, which is, you know, by God's grace,
Speaker 1: Tyler would help me through this, even though he you know,
Speaker 1: managers make a significant amount of touring, so it's hard
Speaker 1: for him too, but I would be like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take off December. And every time I would
Speaker 1: say it, we're gonna take off December and January sometimes,
Speaker 1: but every time I would say that, an offer would
Speaker 1: come in on December fifteenth that paid more than we'd
Speaker 1: ever made the whole year. And so then you're up
Speaker 1: against this dilemmas. Then you start compromising, like, well, it's
Speaker 1: just one date. See you called the bay and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: once my wife and I was anniversary and we I
Speaker 1: kind of thought we were off December and so we
Speaker 1: were gonna, you know, had a nice dinner planned. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, but but this will you know,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a bonus because this and you just
Speaker 1: never that never ends. And it's not just touring, it's
Speaker 1: in it. It's content creation, it's taking another uber ride. Yes,
Speaker 1: even in the beautiful northern Idaho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. We are not immune.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to matter if you change your environment.
Speaker 3: We're still humans. We still have those human tendencies in
Speaker 3: that fallen nature of wanting more.
Speaker 1: Would you recommend people to homeschool their kids, Yes.
Speaker 3: I would. I'm very passionate for homeschool because I think
Speaker 3: kids are built so differently, especially little boys. Little boys
Speaker 3: are little boys, and I think it's so important to
Speaker 3: let them be And the classroom environment, especially kindergarten first grade,
Speaker 3: is just not set up for little boys. It was
Speaker 3: designed for little girls. And if you look at the
Speaker 3: psychology of the classroom, it's very and then it becomes
Speaker 3: very military. You stand in line for your lunch, you
Speaker 3: have to raise your hand to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: You have to stand in Little Rose. You learn in
Speaker 3: Little Rose, you don't speak out a term. And I mean,
Speaker 3: now the schools are kind of they've kind of lost
Speaker 3: control of that. But that's not good either.
Speaker 1: So well, what to that point. I've studied a little
Speaker 1: bit of the Commanches that they were the tribe that
Speaker 1: ruled where we are right now, Like if it was
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty, we would be dead, because they ruled this land.
Speaker 1: And they were the most brilliant that the most effective
Speaker 1: warhorse tribe that we know of that has ever been
Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. They were incredible. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing study. The Comanches are unbelievable. And one thing
Speaker 1: that they did was day let their little boys be boys.
Speaker 1: They didn't put them in any kind of school until
Speaker 1: they were about thirteen, when they were becoming a man.
Speaker 1: They would go with the different men of the tribe,
Speaker 1: which is also interesting something we don't do. We just
Speaker 1: have dads today. But they would have the father and
Speaker 1: the rest of the tribe and they would take that
Speaker 1: boy and they would take everything that he learned and
Speaker 1: harness it, harness all that wild energy and focus it.
Speaker 1: And these men were incredible warriors. So the boys would fight.
Speaker 1: They would ride horses at like three years old, like
Speaker 1: Maverick's age. They would be on horseback on little ponies.
Speaker 1: They would be shooting blunt arrows. They would fight each other.
Speaker 1: They would punch you, you know, give each other black eyes.
Speaker 1: They would swim, and they would the tribe would just
Speaker 1: let the boys go. Yeah, that's the opposite of what
Speaker 1: you just said about elementary school kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they tell they tell kids to you know, hold
Speaker 3: that question or don't ask questions out of term. Like
Speaker 3: my little boy has a million in one questions. And
Speaker 3: you know Maverick too, He's just chatting the whole time
Speaker 3: and he has so many incredible things to say. And
Speaker 3: I feel like we lose that as we get older
Speaker 3: because it's trained out of us. We have to conform
Speaker 3: to survive in the school environment. And when you just
Speaker 3: let him be wild, they become these curious, innovative little
Speaker 3: kids and they keep that. What they have at three
Speaker 3: years old they still have at thirteen, and they're interested
Speaker 3: in all kinds of weird stuff, and no one ever
Speaker 3: tells him they're weird. So are nine And well, he
Speaker 3: just turned ten. He's into some different things, and he does,
Speaker 3: in a way struggle to find friends his own age
Speaker 3: because he'll start talking about like the history of bulls
Speaker 3: and yeah, just like really funny things. And he's really
Speaker 3: into engineering and rockets and he's all over the place.
Speaker 3: But when he tries to talk to another ten year
Speaker 3: old about it, they'll be like, you're weird, and then
Speaker 3: he goes, am I weird, But he doesn't. He didn't
Speaker 3: ever consider himself weird, just curious.
Speaker 1: So people that can't see you right now, and even
Speaker 1: if they can, you're behind the table, but you're very pregnant, yes,
Speaker 1: and you do not know this baby, if it's a
Speaker 1: boy or girl, might just be a little warrior in
Speaker 1: there or a very special woman.
Speaker 3: I think that it's a little boy.
Speaker 1: You think it's a little lawyer in there, Okay, a
Speaker 1: little Idaho wild boy running through those rivers.
Speaker 3: Wild boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to have you guys on again and
Speaker 1: then we'll know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just come visit you guys. Maybe that's now,
Speaker 1: Hey man, maybe we'll do that. Maybe Okay, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: go visit. But hey, thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: sharing incredible wisdom. And it's just I love the journey
Speaker 1: you're on and like I said, it's just like you're
Speaker 1: living a dream and I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, thank you guys. Thanks for joining me
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