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Speaker 2: Michigan signs stealing scandal. More information came out and uh,
Speaker 2: it's getting interesting. I don't know where it leads to.
Speaker 2: I don't know by the time the NCAA would rule
Speaker 2: on something like this, it might be three years down
Speaker 2: the road. I think Michigan is still being investigated or
Speaker 2: waiting for the fallout from what happened during COVID when
Speaker 2: they have impermissible contact with recruits. But what if Michigan
Speaker 2: would win the national title this year? And now you
Speaker 2: have that feeling like the Astros that does Michigan need
Speaker 2: to do this? Do they need to steal signs? And
Speaker 2: what is the rule? Can I have an advanced scout?
Speaker 2: This has been around for I think thirty years where
Speaker 2: they came up with this rule, And I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's you know, cost efficiency that not all schools
Speaker 2: can afford to send somebody. But if you have somebody
Speaker 2: who bought tickets sat midfield and is videotaping the other
Speaker 2: team getting signals there, what if you go to a
Speaker 2: game and take notes and I don't videotape trying to
Speaker 2: figure all this out. I don't know if that's against
Speaker 2: the rule or not. But we'll dive into this coming
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Speaker 2: Best calendar we've made. It's awesome. We based it off
Speaker 2: famous portraits down through history, and there is nudity in there.
Speaker 2: Once again not safe for work. There's some nudity.
Speaker 1: Fritzy. I think is nude in this one.
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else nude in the calendar or
Speaker 2: at least partially nude.
Speaker 1: Mark that's for next year? Oh, next year is all nude?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes done.
Speaker 4: I usually start nude and then the French kid tells
Speaker 4: me if he actually needs me to put on clothes
Speaker 4: and then do Yeah.
Speaker 2: Todd goes in thinking you're supposed to be naked, and
Speaker 2: they go no, no, no no. Diamondbacks beat the Phillies,
Speaker 2: advance to the World Series against the Rangers, just like
Speaker 2: everybody predicted. Right, you have the Nuggets getting their rings
Speaker 2: banner raised. Last night they handled the Lakers. Golden State
Speaker 2: Warriors lose at home to the Phoenix Suns. Victor Wanbaiama
Speaker 2: makes his debut tonight against Dallas. The Diamondbacks had a
Speaker 2: regular season run differential of minus fifteen. That's the worst
Speaker 2: run differential for a World Series team since the nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven Twins.
Speaker 5: Stat of the day, stat of the day, that beast
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Speaker 2: It does make them interesting because they're not your typical Hey,
Speaker 2: we just sit back and hit home runs. They steal bases,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what Yes, they're old school Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: Staff was great. Give them credit. They won't get the credit.
Speaker 2: It'll be about Philly collapsing. You go back home. You
Speaker 2: need to win one game. You lose both of those
Speaker 2: and this is bad.
Speaker 1: That was bad.
Speaker 2: But the Diamondbacks jumped out early. Pitching kept him in there,
Speaker 2: silenced the bats. Top of the order was not good
Speaker 2: at all. And Arizona and Texas in the World Series.
Speaker 2: By the way, Dylan the graphics guy has Texas. He
Speaker 2: picked Texas to win the World Series at the start
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, and we'll update that, of course with
Speaker 2: the podcast tomorrow. Dan Patrick takes a gamble with Shan
Speaker 2: Irving and bad Larry.
Speaker 6: Yes, Marvin, do you think MLB's like great Arizona exs series?
Speaker 2: Okay, what else are they going to do? You got
Speaker 2: to embrace it now. You have to work harder at
Speaker 2: kind of spicing this up. A little bit because hey,
Speaker 2: Rice Harper's in there or the Astros are in there.
Speaker 1: You're going to get a tune in factor.
Speaker 2: Now, you don't have that to do a little bit
Speaker 2: of homework here, and you're gonna have to go above
Speaker 2: and beyond and try to bring out some stories that
Speaker 2: people will be interested in.
Speaker 7: Yes see, somebody presented the poll question which might be
Speaker 7: unfair more interesting series? Rangers Diamondback World Series or Astro's
Speaker 7: Phillies third place.
Speaker 1: Game Astros Phillies. Yeah, probably so.
Speaker 7: But is that just because we know those teams or
Speaker 7: are they just genuinely more interesting?
Speaker 2: They're more interesting and we know them, and you have
Speaker 2: an opinion about both of those teams, Like Texas, does
Speaker 2: anybody really have an opinion about them one way or another?
Speaker 2: Arizona they're like, okay, they won eighty four games. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's like we're getting introduced to the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: We are going to be in November and we're gonna
Speaker 2: get get to know your Diamondback.
Speaker 1: We should do that, PAULI know your dim I was
Speaker 1: not prepared for that. How about know your Arizona Cardon?
Speaker 1: Do I do the Coyotes? Oh, Coyotes or Diamondbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how about that? Yes, fun, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: tough to do.
Speaker 7: Know your Rangers, followed by know your Diamondbacks as the
Speaker 7: two World Series team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's I know, that is I know tough.
Speaker 1: I know, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 6: So, should we just go back to whoever has the
Speaker 6: best record wins the Pennant and meets up in the
Speaker 6: World Series.
Speaker 1: Yes, please, the way thank you the way it used
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the way it used to be.
Speaker 2: If you won your division best record and you know,
Speaker 2: the Red Sox would finish second, Ted Williams would be like, up, sorry,
Speaker 2: you're not going to the World Series.
Speaker 1: It's the Yankees, Yes.
Speaker 6: Mark, Dodgers Astros would be like what the Yankees Dodgers
Speaker 6: used to be back in the fifties.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go the World Series. This year would
Speaker 4: have been Braves versus Oriols.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's where if you're the Braves or
Speaker 2: the Dodgers and you're going the Diamondbacks, you have all
Speaker 2: this had great regular season the Diamondbacks, but it goes
Speaker 2: back to what we've talked about many many times, where
Speaker 2: you have these teams unlikely teams you win the wild card,
Speaker 2: and those teams are always the most dangerous because they've
Speaker 2: been in playoff mode. You know, Washington Nationals, the Giants
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, the Cardinals in twenty eleven. Then you
Speaker 2: had a three year run O two with the Angels,
Speaker 2: O three with the Marlins, O four with the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: all wildcard teams who went on to win the World Series.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, the Dodgers outscored their opponents this year by
Speaker 4: two hundred and seven runs. The Braves outscored their opponents
Speaker 4: by two thirty one. And let's see the Tampa Bay
Speaker 4: Rays outscored their opponents by one ninety five, the Rangers
Speaker 4: by plus one sixty five, and again the Diamacks were
Speaker 4: minus fifteen. But you know, you can't use fluke like
Speaker 4: I guess, like even the NCAA tournament, you could fluke
Speaker 4: your way to one win, but you can't fluke your
Speaker 4: way to Butler being in the finals against Duke like
Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks. You know, it wasn't a one game series.
Speaker 4: They earned their way there. And sometimes in football, a
Speaker 4: team that shouldn't be there got there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've seen college basketball teams get on a
Speaker 2: run where they might win three or four games, they
Speaker 2: don't win at all, but they do surprise a lot
Speaker 2: of these teams where you're like, where did that? Where
Speaker 2: did George Mason come from? It does happen?
Speaker 4: Butler was the one that made it to the title
Speaker 4: game and had a shot twice, Yeah, twice?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Are we going to dive into this Michigan story here?
Speaker 2: Austin Meek He is a staff writer covering Michigan football
Speaker 2: and basketball for the Athletic. He's written a couple of
Speaker 2: columns here did a deep dive on this. Austin kind
Speaker 2: enough to join us here? All right, help me understand what?
Speaker 2: What is Michigan accused of doing illegally?
Speaker 8: So there's an NCAA rule that's been on the book
Speaker 8: since nineteen ninety four. It says that teams can't scout
Speaker 8: their opponents in person during the same season, and the
Speaker 8: allegation is that the staffer, a mis Chigan Connor Stallions
Speaker 8: who's been suspended, was basically coordinating this off campus scouting ring,
Speaker 8: buying tickets at other big ten stadiums and other stadiums
Speaker 8: around the country, and then coordinating people to go in
Speaker 8: and watch the games. And film the signals of the
Speaker 8: other teams, which, at least according to the spirit of
Speaker 8: the NCAA rule, would be a violation.
Speaker 2: What if you're not filming, what if you're just observing?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, how deep does this go that makes
Speaker 2: it illegal? If I just going on watching, watching your mannerisms,
Speaker 2: your gestures, your signals, is that illegal?
Speaker 8: So there's actually two separate rules that would be applicable.
Speaker 8: One of them is about technology and filming, and one
Speaker 8: of them is just about scouting. And the definition of
Speaker 8: scouting is really vague in the rule, and I think
Speaker 8: that's part of what this is going to hinge on,
Speaker 8: is what actually is scouting. If you have somebody who's
Speaker 8: just a fan in the stands observing the game, does
Speaker 8: that person count as a scout of your school? And
Speaker 8: I don't honestly know the answer to that. I think
Speaker 8: there will be a lot of technical arguments made about
Speaker 8: the definition of a scout. And that's why I go
Speaker 8: back to the spirit of the rule is that you
Speaker 8: can't do this, But in terms of how the letter
Speaker 8: of the law is interpreted, I really don't know the
Speaker 8: answer to that.
Speaker 2: It's like to flategate. I think the rule is silly.
Speaker 2: But if you're going to lie to the NCAA or
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Harbaugh says they didn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 2: they're already under investigation. I guess for you know what
Speaker 2: happened during COVID. He says he wants to be the
Speaker 2: I think gold standard here with his program. It's did
Speaker 2: they offer him a contract extension this season?
Speaker 1: And is that on the back burner now?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we've reported that before any of this came out,
Speaker 8: Michigan was in the process of working on a massive
Speaker 8: contract extension for Jim Harbaugh. In fact, there had been
Speaker 8: hopes that that would get done in the next couple weeks.
Speaker 8: And my understanding is, yeah, that's on the back burner now.
Speaker 8: I don't think Michigan can signed Jim Harbaugh to a
Speaker 8: huge contract tension with all of this going down, and
Speaker 8: it just the timing of it is not good for
Speaker 8: Michigan given the fact that Jim Harbaugh served a three
Speaker 8: game suspension to start this season, they already have had
Speaker 8: NCBLEA issues. Michigan stood by Jim Harbaugh in the midst
Speaker 8: of that, but I have to imagine for a similar
Speaker 8: thing to come up now in the middle of this season.
Speaker 8: As Michigan is undefeated and right now the favorite to
Speaker 8: win the National Championship, it has to be really disappointing
Speaker 8: for a lot of people around Michigan.
Speaker 2: Doesn't this come down to the Commissioner of the Big Ten,
Speaker 2: not the NCAA, because the Commissioner of the Big Ten
Speaker 2: is going to determine they have the authority, They have
Speaker 2: the exclusive authority to determine sportsmanship violations, if they've occurred,
Speaker 2: what the penalty should be. So this really isn't the NCUBLEA.
Speaker 2: This is the new commissioner of the Big Ten, I believe.
Speaker 8: I think Tony Pettiti is in a really interesting position here.
Speaker 8: The Big Ten was notified by the NCBLEA that the
Speaker 8: NCUBA was investigating this as a potential infractions case, and
Speaker 8: that put the Big Ten, I think, in kind of
Speaker 8: a bind. Because you're absolutely right, the Big Ten has
Speaker 8: a responsibility to ensure fair competition in its games. Tony
Speaker 8: Petiti has the authority to punish Michigan or Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 8: if they deem that to be justified. At the same time,
Speaker 8: I think that the Big Ten is trying to keep
Speaker 8: a little bit of distance and not get in the
Speaker 8: way of the NCUBLEA investigation. Defer to the NCUBLEA since
Speaker 8: they have been informed that the NCUBLEA is investigating. But
Speaker 8: I would think, knowing what we know about the NCUBLEA
Speaker 8: process and how long it takes, I think there will
Speaker 8: be some pressure on the Big Ten in the meantime
Speaker 8: to step in and do something if it seems like
Speaker 8: the integrity of Big ten football games has been compromised.
Speaker 2: And I wonder because if the NCAA is left to
Speaker 2: rule on this, this could take years, but the Big
Speaker 2: Ten like that could be something that they could rule on.
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess pretty soon if they found enough,
Speaker 2: or imagine Michigan winning a national title, that's going.
Speaker 1: To stoke this up.
Speaker 2: As you know, the further they go along this season,
Speaker 2: the more successful. It's like the Astros where you go, well,
Speaker 2: they're cheating, Well, you know they're somehow cheating. And then
Speaker 2: I know that there's some Internet sleuths who are posting
Speaker 2: photos here of the signals of videos of you know,
Speaker 2: people who are you know, trying to steal.
Speaker 1: Is that the proof here.
Speaker 2: That hey, they have a card, a placard that has
Speaker 2: signs on it that shows you know what teams are calling,
Speaker 2: or maybe they're they're audibles there.
Speaker 8: Well no, So a lot of the videos that have
Speaker 8: surfaced on social media, the ones of Connor Stallions on
Speaker 8: the sideline standing next to Michigan's coordinators, that's actually all
Speaker 8: perfectly legal. Sign Stealing isn't illegal in college football. Every
Speaker 8: program does it. Every program probably has a card with
Speaker 8: other teams signals on it. So the real question is
Speaker 8: how was Connor Stallions gathering the information that he used
Speaker 8: to try to decode the other team's signal. He had
Speaker 8: a reputation in Michigan's program as a guy who was
Speaker 8: really good at decoding signals, but was he doing it
Speaker 8: in a way that broke nc double A rules? And so, really,
Speaker 8: I think the incriminating evidence is going to be if
Speaker 8: there's somehow video evidence of people that can be tied
Speaker 8: back to Michigan in other stadiums taking video, If the
Speaker 8: NCAA is able to get Connor Stallion's computer and can
Speaker 8: see that people were sending him videos of signals, I
Speaker 8: think that would be much more incriminating than anything that
Speaker 8: would surface of him on the Michigan sideline.
Speaker 2: But Austin, why don't they get up, get up to
Speaker 2: speed with modern technology and have the communication in the helmet,
Speaker 2: just like you know, there are high school teams that
Speaker 2: have this. Why doesn't the NC DOUBLEA or at least
Speaker 2: you know, certain conferences have this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's been a big push. I think if anything
Speaker 8: comes of this, I won't be surprised if this situation
Speaker 8: is the catalyst for in helmet communication to happen in
Speaker 8: college football the way it happens in the NFL. I
Speaker 8: think there are lots of reasons why it hasn't happened,
Speaker 8: and one of the reasons maybe that teams still feel
Speaker 8: like they can get a competitive advantage by operating in
Speaker 8: these gray areas, and teams don't like to give that up.
Speaker 8: But I think, certainly from the Big Ten perspective, and
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people around college football are
Speaker 8: going to look at this situation and say, this is
Speaker 8: just a scandal waiting to happen, to continue to not
Speaker 8: have the in helmet communication and create this gray area
Speaker 8: that it appears that Michigan and probably some other programs
Speaker 8: have been trying to exploit.
Speaker 2: Well, you had Dion saying it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle said, it's not a big deal. It's almost like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I know my pitcher is scuffing up the ball and
Speaker 2: your pitcher's probably scuffing up the ball. Let's just call
Speaker 2: the whole thing off. We're not going to tattle on
Speaker 2: each other. But the importance of this with Ohio State
Speaker 2: and their media, this isn't going away anytime soon. But
Speaker 2: I'm just curious what happens next.
Speaker 8: Well, Dan, I think you're right that the Big Ten
Speaker 8: will have some decisions to make, and if we're looking
Speaker 8: for some sort of punishment to happen soon, I think
Speaker 8: it would either have to be something from Michigan or
Speaker 8: something from the Big Ten, because we know how the
Speaker 8: NCAA works. But it's hard for me to see that
Speaker 8: happening unless there's something really really conclusive. I don't think
Speaker 8: the Big Ten wants to step in and suspend Jim
Speaker 8: Harbaugh or declare Michigan ineligible for the Big Ten championship
Speaker 8: game when this team is ranked number two and undefeated.
Speaker 8: That certainly wouldn't be good for the league if Michigan
Speaker 8: is not eligible. So I think there are going to
Speaker 8: be some hard decisions to make. As more comes out,
Speaker 8: there may be increasing pressure for something to happen. But
Speaker 8: it's just hard for me to see anybody really stepping
Speaker 8: in and derailing this Michigan team that could very well
Speaker 8: play for a national championship.
Speaker 2: You've done a great job on this the last two columns.
Speaker 2: I've read a lot of information in there, Austin, thanks
Speaker 2: for joining us.
Speaker 8: All right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: Austin Meek staff wrighter covering Michigan football and basketball for
Speaker 2: the Athletic Yeah. I don't know where this goes. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it goes anywhere anytime soon. But a
Speaker 2: source just said to me it's really up to the commissioner.
Speaker 2: The commissioner of the Big Ten has exclusive authority to
Speaker 2: determine if sportsmanship violations have occurred and what the penalty
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 1: This isn't the NCAA.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Tony Pettiti, who just got there
Speaker 2: as the commissioner, wants to hurt Michigan's chances of maybe
Speaker 2: bringing the Big Ten a national championship. All right, Well,
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Speaker 2: minutes from now, Fritzy's Diamondbacks song his tribute to the
Speaker 2: Arizona Diamondbacks. It will be to the tune of Hire
Speaker 2: by Creed, So we're forewarning everybody in Arizona maybe it's
Speaker 2: time to take your kids out of school. It'll be
Speaker 2: a beautiful moment, rejoiceful moment when todd sings his tribute
Speaker 2: to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Doc Rivers will join us coming
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Speaker 2: It'll be Celtics and the Knicks coming up tonight at
Speaker 2: seven the Eastern on the Mothership and then Warriors King's
Speaker 2: Friday Night that'll be on the Mothership as well. A
Speaker 2: couple of phone calls in here, Michael and Fort Wayne. Hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Good morning, Dan, Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I
Speaker 9: feel morally or more obligated to talk about Fritzy's song
Speaker 9: that's coming up. I like, I want to support him,
Speaker 9: but after hearing what he did to the Olivia Newton,
Speaker 9: John and Bert Young tributes, I think we need to
Speaker 9: up the ante a little bit here. When Fritzi ignores
Speaker 9: the beat and just speeds ahead of the song like
Speaker 9: he does, it causes me physical pain. So I propose
Speaker 9: if he wants to proceed with his song, there should
Speaker 9: be some kind of risk in order for him to improve.
Speaker 9: I think if it happens again today, he should get
Speaker 9: a pie to the face on behalf of your captive audience.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well, thank you, Michael. I'll take that
Speaker 2: under advisement. I did hear Fritzi practicing the song? Is
Speaker 2: this going to be a true tribute to them? Is
Speaker 2: it going to be? Are you going to try to
Speaker 2: make it good?
Speaker 6: Yes, it's not a spoof, and I will try to
Speaker 6: go slower in the actual stinging of it.
Speaker 7: Maybe the song is can you take these pires like
Speaker 7: pie instead of higher higher?
Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport is reporting the Titans are going to go
Speaker 2: with rookie quarterback Will Levis starting on Sunday. Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 2: with his ankle, is likely out Paul and Iowa. Hi Paul,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10: Hey Dan, I have a comparison on Big Ten football
Speaker 10: fan bases with this Michigan situation. But first shout out
Speaker 10: to Andrew Down's program director k X and O of
Speaker 10: you're affiliate in des Moines. They're losing the great guy
Speaker 10: there and we're going to miss him on the radio.
Speaker 10: But for Michigan, this just shows that winning and scoring
Speaker 10: points cures everything. Because nobody in the Michigan fan base
Speaker 10: is calling for Harbaugh's head, but two states over here,
Speaker 10: we have a fan base that wants the athletic department
Speaker 10: to circumvent the head coach and fire his oc son
Speaker 10: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're taking you You'll take any points you can get.
Speaker 2: When you're just coming off a horrible call on that
Speaker 2: loss and the over under was the lowest in college
Speaker 2: football history. They're begging for some signs stealing there, Iowa. Yeah, seton.
Speaker 7: By the way, Andrew Downs is a great guy. He
Speaker 7: was when I was in Des Moines, he was essentially
Speaker 7: if I was the mayor, he was like the chief
Speaker 7: of staff, and he opened up that whole city to me.
Speaker 7: Really really great dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we appreciate the support in Des Moin. Yeah, Pauline,
Speaker 2: I love the local reaction to Jim Harbaugh. He's never
Speaker 2: been in better shape as a Michigan head coach. They're
Speaker 2: about to give him a contract extension, which they want
Speaker 2: to do. He's beaten Ohio State every year. They're what
Speaker 2: second chance, best chance for the national title this year?
Speaker 1: His career has never been better in Michigan. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't want to lose him in the NFL. They don't
Speaker 1: want to get punished.
Speaker 2: They don't have a problem with is Oh. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: everybody else should be doing the same thing. It seems
Speaker 2: archaic though, that you can't go out and scout your opponent.
Speaker 2: You can't videotape, and they do that in high school
Speaker 2: where you can go out and scout your opponent. Chad
Speaker 2: in California, Hi, Chad, what's on your mind today about?
Speaker 3: All? Right?
Speaker 11: So, back in May, I was leaving an Angel Rangers game.
Speaker 11: I'm a longtime Angel fan. Regrettably, I might ads and
Speaker 11: Rangers just kicked our butts, walked out, sat in my
Speaker 11: car and put two hundred fifty bucks on the Rangers
Speaker 11: to win the World Series. It is two hundred three
Speaker 11: dollars to win eleven thousand dollars. And now I'm debating
Speaker 11: whether or not I should be hedging out of this,
Speaker 11: take the wife some more nice, or if I should
Speaker 11: let a ride have to hide my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know your financial situation, Chad. You can
Speaker 2: win eleven thousand dollars if you hedge your bet?
Speaker 1: What what? What can you win six thousand?
Speaker 11: I can guarantee six. I can get a little riskier
Speaker 11: do like a three to eight situation. But obviously my
Speaker 11: heart says let it ride.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can have a wonderful vacation at six grand.
Speaker 2: You could have two vacations for eleven grand. All right,
Speaker 2: let's let's let's now. I got five guys here, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do you want to take our advice? If
Speaker 2: I give you a yay or nay, do you let
Speaker 2: it ride?
Speaker 3: Will?
Speaker 11: I will take the group's advice.
Speaker 1: Okay, seat, and I'll start with you. Yeay, r nay?
Speaker 2: Let it ride for eleven grand for Chad in California
Speaker 2: on the Rangers to win it all?
Speaker 7: Man, two vacations sounds like a lot of fun, man,
Speaker 7: But how many awesome vacations could you have. If that
Speaker 7: hits many more, what is your answer?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Let it ride?
Speaker 7: I think just for the content I'm saying, let it ride.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I hope that your marriage and life goes well.
Speaker 1: Marvin, let it ride? Head juice, Bet?
Speaker 6: How is he financially?
Speaker 1: I don't, It doesn't matter. Oh then let it ride.
Speaker 2: Okay, Paulie, let it ride. Let it ride A big vote,
Speaker 2: paul is a big vote.
Speaker 4: All right, Let it ride and let your wife know first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chad, good luck, good Huck. What could go wrong?
Speaker 11: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: She's in good die.
Speaker 2: Then she's a real all right, Now we have a
Speaker 2: reason to watch the World Series. Chad in California, Doc Rivers,
Speaker 2: he'll be on the call Celtics in the Knicks tonight. Oh,
Speaker 2: you got to dust off the microphone? Do you remember
Speaker 2: how to do this?
Speaker 8: Doc?
Speaker 3: But I don't know, Dan. I'm looking at the picture
Speaker 3: behind you.
Speaker 12: You got I think that's how Michael's if I'm met
Speaker 12: you in My eyes are still right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I'm gonna try to dust them off.
Speaker 12: And at least I'm not talking about, you know, golf
Speaker 12: or something I don't know, you know, So let's hope
Speaker 12: it all works out.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you a coach when you're a commentator. Are
Speaker 2: you a former player when you're a commentator. Are you
Speaker 2: a fan when you're a commentator?
Speaker 3: Well, hope, I'm all three. You know.
Speaker 12: It's interesting. When I first did this, I think Dan,
Speaker 12: you were eleven. With my first broadcast, I sit next
Speaker 12: to Berne Lunquist and he told me, listen, son, you
Speaker 12: can do this a lot of ways. The way I
Speaker 12: would do it, I would celebrate the game. I would
Speaker 12: make sure everyone leaves the game happier with knowledge and
Speaker 12: they enjoy it.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm going to try to do.
Speaker 1: How's the voice?
Speaker 2: Because usually when I talk to you, you got your
Speaker 2: coach for voice.
Speaker 1: I worry about that voice of yours.
Speaker 3: Oh I do too. You know. It's funny. My daughter
Speaker 3: played me a clip.
Speaker 12: A year before I took my coaching job, and that
Speaker 12: was a different voice. So I guess it's if you
Speaker 12: had you know, I don't know, twenty kids, you know,
Speaker 12: at a camp every day where the acoustics were awful,
Speaker 12: and you did it for twenty four years.
Speaker 3: This is what would happened to your voice?
Speaker 1: Have you gone to see somebody?
Speaker 3: Oh? I have.
Speaker 12: I actually, when I was with the Celtics, I had
Speaker 12: a pollop on my vocal cord.
Speaker 3: Had to get a removed, which is scary.
Speaker 12: You've heard those stories where you know, any bad incision
Speaker 12: on that and you're voiceless. Other than that, it's just
Speaker 12: my voice. It's just Thibodeau's voice. It's you know, it's
Speaker 12: a lot of screaming and lot arenas, and it happens.
Speaker 12: It does feel stronger now, but this is going to
Speaker 12: be my voice for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Fritzy does an impersonation of you.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? Okay?
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, okay, I've heard a lot of them. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, I want you to judge it. All right, Fritzy,
Speaker 2: how about you play Doc Rivers and I'm going to
Speaker 2: interview you after a big win and uh hey, coach, congratulations,
Speaker 2: how did you do it?
Speaker 1: You know, Dan, we played within ourselves. I told the
Speaker 1: guys before we took the court. Forget about the name
Speaker 1: of the back of your jersey. It's only about what's
Speaker 1: on the front. It was our first team effort in
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 13: I don't see guys running go to the scores table
Speaker 13: with a video board looking for the stat.
Speaker 1: Line and we went big, we went small. Proud of
Speaker 1: the guys. We got to shore up a couple of things.
Speaker 3: Thanks mam.
Speaker 12: Hey, that's that's really good. Slow to case, slow it
Speaker 12: down a little bit.
Speaker 3: Other than that, it's perfect. That was that was really good.
Speaker 3: That's that's better than Jamie Fox's impersonation.
Speaker 2: Well, Fritzi's kind of morphed into Kevin Harland there too,
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, Frenzy does a great Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 1: The Nuggets have gone up eight to six and the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder want to talk about it? A seven
Speaker 1: ozer run? This is the NBA on TNT.
Speaker 3: You know, Kevin is a good friend.
Speaker 12: I did games with Kevin and I remember one of
Speaker 12: his first games and now I'm you know, a season
Speaker 12: bet with Turner in my third year and it was
Speaker 12: a Houston Rockets game. It was the literally and I'm
Speaker 12: not is the third player of the game, and Kevin
Speaker 12: goes b you know, and he looks at me and
Speaker 12: he says, too early, maybe.
Speaker 2: A little bit all right, how would you use Victor
Speaker 2: one by? How how much playing time would you give
Speaker 2: him if you were coaching him?
Speaker 12: You know what's surprising is all the talk about playing
Speaker 12: time with him. You know, I think you're just gonna
Speaker 12: play him. They see him every day. You know, I
Speaker 12: wouldn't worry about the minutes with him early. I've never
Speaker 12: heard that much talk with rookies. Maybe because of Zion
Speaker 12: people are concerned, or because of his body tight you know,
Speaker 12: Check gets injured last year.
Speaker 3: I think Pop is just.
Speaker 12: Gonna play him, you know, thirty thirty five minutes a
Speaker 12: night if he's healthy. But man, I gotta tell you, Dan,
Speaker 12: he looks special, like special special to me in everything
Speaker 12: that I see, and you know, forget the talent and
Speaker 12: all that. What I see that I liked them most
Speaker 12: is he has this this competitive thing in him that
Speaker 12: you can actually see. You saw when they played Oklahoma.
Speaker 12: You saw it after the first bad game in the
Speaker 12: Summer League and that second game. He's done it. He
Speaker 12: did it a bunch last year too. He's played with
Speaker 12: grown men already in his life. Matt Broman, this talented. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I just think they're not gonna worry about it, and
Speaker 12: if something tells him too, they will. But I don't
Speaker 12: think that's the game plan. It's worrying about minutes with him.
Speaker 1: Talking to Doc Rivers.
Speaker 2: He'll be on the call for the Mothership Celtics and
Speaker 2: the next tonight at seven Eastern with Mike Breen. Also,
Speaker 2: he'll be working Friday Night Warriors and the Kings at
Speaker 2: ten eastern.
Speaker 1: Explain to me how Joe Kich does this?
Speaker 3: Boy, it's hard.
Speaker 12: You know. I made a comment like three or four
Speaker 12: years ago, like I mean this at the time. You
Speaker 12: remember when his body didn't look as good as it
Speaker 12: looks now. I was like, this big, overweight bartender is
Speaker 12: destroying us. He's destroying us, and that's how he looked.
Speaker 12: And you watch him play then it's absolutely beautiful. In
Speaker 12: almost everything he does is passing his shots.
Speaker 3: His shot and.
Speaker 12: Making ability doesn't get enough play. You know, obviously he
Speaker 12: could make the three. You know he has great post moves,
Speaker 12: but his unorthodox little flip shots in traffic through contact
Speaker 12: and we're talking all that, and then you forget the
Speaker 12: best part of his game in this passing he can.
Speaker 12: He's one of those guys Magic Johnson type that he
Speaker 12: makes his whole team better. Uh, immediately, everybody that plays
Speaker 12: on the floor, I would be I would be scared
Speaker 12: of I was a GM to sign a player from
Speaker 12: the Denver Nuggets, because you're really like, he makes them
Speaker 12: that much better, and so you're trying to evaluate, well,
Speaker 12: if we take them, will this guy.
Speaker 3: Be that good?
Speaker 2: When's the last time you were watching a game as
Speaker 2: a player or a coach and you found yourself just
Speaker 2: watching the game, not playing in the game or coaching
Speaker 2: in the game. You were admiring something that you were seeing.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 12: It's been a long time, I'll tell you that because
Speaker 12: once you once you coach, at if you've interviewed a
Speaker 12: million coaches, you never watched the game as just the
Speaker 12: game anymore. I'm watching the game last night and Golden
Speaker 12: State I thought, run a terrific play, and the next thing,
Speaker 12: you know, I'm jotting it down and trying to figure out,
Speaker 12: you know, different ways to stop it, different ways to
Speaker 12: run it.
Speaker 3: If you're on offense.
Speaker 12: You know, you see things a lot in games, you know,
Speaker 12: and so I think from being a player, but more
Speaker 12: from being a coach, it's just hard to watch it
Speaker 12: that way. But you still enjoy You enjoy beautiful basketball,
Speaker 12: probably more now.
Speaker 2: But you didn't find yourself as a player going damn,
Speaker 2: that's impressive, Like watching it that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did absolutely. You know, when you're playing guys,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 12: I did, Darb Michael, and there are times I was
Speaker 12: running down the course shaking my head, thinking, damn, that's impressive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you do it.
Speaker 12: Even as a coach, there's times where especially when guys
Speaker 12: do it on your team, but even when guys on
Speaker 12: the other team, you're just so impressed by some of
Speaker 12: these guys in the way they play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that absolutely still crosses your mind.
Speaker 2: If a GM called you to get your opinion on
Speaker 2: James Harden, you would say, what.
Speaker 3: That's the maybe the best question someone's asked me.
Speaker 12: He went playing right, and if you watch, I tell
Speaker 12: everyone go back to the first half of last year
Speaker 12: where he gave himself to the team. Then we were
Speaker 12: the best team in the NBA for a ten to
Speaker 12: twenty games stretch and it was you know, obviously we
Speaker 12: have Joel and Tyrese and Tobias, but we were because
Speaker 12: James was.
Speaker 3: Being a point guard. You know.
Speaker 12: It's funny a coach called me and said, I never
Speaker 12: thought anyone could get him to do that, and he did,
Speaker 12: you know, for a short term.
Speaker 3: So that's what I would tell them. And if you
Speaker 3: can keep them.
Speaker 12: In that and not want to chase numbers or wanted
Speaker 12: to score the thirst of scoring, then you have a
Speaker 12: terrific player.
Speaker 2: Change though, Doc, what changed? He was playing perfectly? I thought,
Speaker 2: for you guys, yeah.
Speaker 3: He really was.
Speaker 12: I would say not making the All Star team really
Speaker 12: bothered him. And I thought that that was egregious. You know,
Speaker 12: the coaches just didn't put them on. You know, he
Speaker 12: was only leading the league in scoring or an assist.
Speaker 12: He was having his best three point percent and shooting
Speaker 12: a year of his career. He was averaging plus twenty
Speaker 12: and the coaches didn't put him on the All Star team.
Speaker 3: And he would never say.
Speaker 12: This, but in my gut, I thought it changed almost immediately.
Speaker 12: Remember about a game or two after that, he called
Speaker 12: me and said, hey, I want to start coming and
Speaker 12: playing with the second unit more.
Speaker 3: And I know.
Speaker 1: Exactly what that means, more shots.
Speaker 3: More shots. I want to go back to attack it
Speaker 3: and playing. And you know, we had.
Speaker 12: Our ups and downs from that point on. You know,
Speaker 12: it was funny about our relationship. It was an honest one.
Speaker 12: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: It's probably why I'm doing TV right now. But you
Speaker 3: have to be honest as a.
Speaker 12: Coach and you have to you have to just keep
Speaker 12: selling it, like listen, when you do this, it may
Speaker 12: not be the best or most fun for you, but
Speaker 12: we are a better team. And I never relented on that,
Speaker 12: and I thought he appreciated that, even he've been at.
Speaker 3: The very end.
Speaker 1: But more frustrating Harden or Ben Simmons.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, that's a good one.
Speaker 12: I would say maybe James, only because James can't, you know,
Speaker 12: like when he did, we were great. Ben was frustrating
Speaker 12: a whole different way, you know, you know, just the
Speaker 12: mental part, the health part, the injury part, you know,
Speaker 12: just the work ethic part. I mean, all those things.
Speaker 12: And so that was a different type of frustration. I
Speaker 12: didn't I didn't have the frustration when being thinking if
Speaker 12: Ben did this, we can win it.
Speaker 3: But I surely had that with James.
Speaker 12: And so because I'm in it to win it, I
Speaker 12: think maybe that would be more frustrating for you.
Speaker 2: Plus, it must be tough to coach somebody that you
Speaker 2: don't know if they love basketball. Certain guys are good
Speaker 2: at sports. You gotta love basketball. And I wondered if
Speaker 2: Ben loved basketball or he was just good at basketball.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I would say, I agree with that. There are times,
Speaker 12: and that's through the league, you know that, like, if
Speaker 12: you don't love the game, you can only be good
Speaker 12: at it. And I've always said this, the playoffs always
Speaker 12: exposes guys who really love them because the pressure of
Speaker 12: the playoffs and the intensity of the games. If you
Speaker 12: don't absolutely love it, it will eat you up. It does,
Speaker 12: and you can see it every year with certain guys,
Speaker 12: and so yeah, I would say you're right on that
Speaker 12: like that that I always look at Ben though, And
Speaker 12: this is the coach park that probably does us all
Speaker 12: in Dan, like every coach, if the if were like man,
Speaker 12: I tell you if he loved it, or if if
Speaker 12: I could get him to play this way, like he
Speaker 12: is a freak of nature athletically, body wise, vision wise.
Speaker 3: But the rest of the park wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the broadcasting community, Doc are you Are
Speaker 2: you here for good? Or is this just a temporary John?
Speaker 3: I don't even know the answer to that yet.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 12: Right now, I would say I feel like it's something
Speaker 12: that I want to just do. I'm having the most
Speaker 12: fun that I've had in a long time. And that
Speaker 12: didn't cause it three in the morning, you know, so
Speaker 12: it's a pretty good life. So I'm playing on staying there.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. We'll be listening tonight watching.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Doc oh always thank you. That's
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers.
Speaker 2: He is going to be on the Call to night
Speaker 2: Celtics Knicks with the Great Mike Breen and then Warriors
Speaker 2: King's Friday Night. Both of those games will be on
Speaker 2: the mother Ship. Some very revealing stuff. We'll discuss that
Speaker 2: when we return, plus Fritzi's tribute song to the Arizona Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 2: That was an interesting conversation with Doc Rivers took a
Speaker 2: left turn there talking about James Harden when things changed
Speaker 2: for James Harden, and Doc thinks when he didn't make
Speaker 2: the All Star team, he decided that he wanted to
Speaker 2: go back to being the old James Harden. He also said,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating because James can as opposed to Ben Simmons,
Speaker 2: and he was inferring that Ben can't. Ben has all
Speaker 2: the talent, But I said, what's more frustrating and he
Speaker 2: was saying, Harden because he can do all these things
Speaker 2: really well, Ben can't.
Speaker 4: Yees, Pauline, I learned more about how the Sixers season
Speaker 4: ended in the last five minutes than I learned in
Speaker 4: the last past five months. Yeah, that's a first where
Speaker 4: it felt like it was a real statement by a
Speaker 4: real person who is part of it.
Speaker 2: That was honest, Like, that's what it felt like. I
Speaker 2: was having a conversation with Doc privately and he was
Speaker 2: airing that publicly. All right, scene, would you update the
Speaker 2: poll results then? For she has his tribute song to
Speaker 2: the Arizona Diamondbacks that nobody asks.
Speaker 7: For it's very exciting that tribute song. Okay, Dann, we
Speaker 7: got two poll questions working right now? Okay, all right,
Speaker 7: who you got? Rangers are Diamondbacks?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 7: Seventy percent of the audience got the Rangers.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 7: And then are you more happy that the Rangers and
Speaker 7: Diamondbacks won or the Astros and Phillies lost? That also
Speaker 7: is seventy percent more excited that the Astros and Phillies lost.
Speaker 1: All right, Todd.
Speaker 2: Todd had some kind of inspiration at two in the morning,
Speaker 2: and this is based off the Creed song Higher that
Speaker 2: seems to have a resurgence. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: ever had a Surgeons, but it's a resurgence. Yeah, nobody
Speaker 2: ever says you got a surgeons. It's a resurgence. So
Speaker 2: Todd is Marvin gonna have music? Okay, here we go.
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Speaker 3: Astros, no O's.
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Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 13: T Boxer now Champions for Classic. No raidings, no shares.
Speaker 1: Alright, that's a lie. Who thank you, Todd.
Speaker 2: I hope Arizona appreciates that final hour on the way
Speaker 2: Dan in the days and Fritzie, more of your phone
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