WEBVTT - Nothing Nowhere Never Ever 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.000 I'm so glad I use my last adderall for this. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:13.280 I feel on welcome to like a virgin the show. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.640 We'll give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rosdam, I'm 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.840 Fran Froda, and we do have a secret third guest 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.400 in the studio right now currently, I think waiting for 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.239 an uber and much will be revealed, much will be 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.480 Are we even allowed to say, we're allowed to say 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.160 this is our podcast. I don't know. I don't know 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.480 what friends in the studio right now. We just record 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.080 an episode of her. She's going to exercise a strain 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.040 as we have us and Oscar's commentary if she can. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.120 Was told to be quiet, and we'll also be well. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.360 I think okay. The big thing is that we did 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.160 finally see Sweeney Todd on Broadway. It's currently in previews. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.040 We saw the previews version for sure. Yes, Fran has 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.360 never seen Sweeney Todd before. I of course it's one 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.040 of my favorites. Um top line, I'm gonna say seven 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.520 point five out of ten. Wow. Honestly, I didn't know. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.360 I didn't think it was going to be that high. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.479 I thought, I don't know. How we felt leaving the theater. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.120 I was like, I'm not sure how I overall experienced this, 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.600 but as you said, like, I've always wanted to see 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.360 a staging and so I was just kind of like 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.520 so happy to be there the whole time. I was 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.440 happy to be there too. And the reason it's so 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.760 high is because it's Sweeney Tide. It is an incredible 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:25.160 staging of the show. The scenery is amazing, the twenty 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.280 six piece orchestra incredible. A lot of the voices are 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.840 very good. Joanna's sounds really great. That kid from Stranger 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.560 Things is Toby is really good. The conductor of the 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.000 twenty six piece orchestra was suckable. Suckable. Josh Grobin would 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.640 suck but that's kind of the problem. Okay, So now 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.399 we got to the critiques, which are Josh Groban Annie 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.360 Ashford both about ten years too young to play either 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.960 of the roles. An have thought of because I'm not like, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.800 I'm not like as in the theater the theater. I 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.920 didn't know that, Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't thinking about 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:03.040 that when I watched it. Annalie also doing a horrible 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.600 Cockney accent, which was baffling to me because when I 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.760 watched the Monica Lewinsky like kind of show or whatever. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.600 She does an amazing she's really good accent work, and 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.000 she's such a classically trained Like what I was just 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.080 I was like, isn't Cockney like one of the asier ones, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.120 you know, And the most unfortunate thing is just she 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.920 just can't sing it. Her voice isn't powerful enough. Her 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.240 voice sounded great, yeah, but with the accent, it like 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.560 kind of muddled it. I think no, I mean she 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.280 she couldn't hit the notes. And I think she acted 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.120 the role really well. Like the comedy of it was great. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.400 She's such a great physical comedian. She had the only laughs. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.120 There's a moment where she slides down the stairs that 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.080 were super funny. Her by the sea like brought the 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.760 house down, but it didn't bring the house down. Vocally, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.919 none of her vocals were quite where they were. And 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.960 then with Josh Grobin it was a little too perfect. Yeah, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.480 he needed to be a little more gruff. And I mean, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.799 Sweeney Todd is supposed to be scary and Josh Grobin 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.880 is not scary. Know. Tommy's like, You're like, no, um, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.520 I I feel like, yeah, the thing with me was 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.560 like I Um, I feel like Josh's vocal quality lent 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.040 itself perfectly to like the you know, the operatic vocals 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.760 of a Todd of like Todd right as a character, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.120 but like the only I mean again weird. I was 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.720 dming someone else who's like in the Broadway world about this, 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.080 who maybe have some friends in the production, and he 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:26.560 was defending it a little bit to me, and I 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.920 was like, Okay, we saw a very very previews, like 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.519 it had only been in previews for like a week 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.399 or two, and so we saw a very raw staging. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.240 But like the only acting choice Josh Grobin made was 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.640 to like have a limp, and I was like, I 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.760 was like, no other choices. I was like, make choices 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.600 be scary, be weird, be funny. And the thing the 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.800 thing that I appreciate about Annalie Ashford's Missus Lovett, even 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.960 though we you know, you said she's a little young, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.360 she didn't have that coarseness. I agree with that. Um. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.000 I felt like, you know, she added this modernity to 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.600 miss to Missus Lovett that I appreciate it. I was like, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.360 that makes she put her own little spice on it. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.360 I see and love like everything that she did and 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.320 I was like, this is this is working for me? Tommy, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.120 you want to chime in before you exit the building. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.880 I haven't seen it yet, but I did think the 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.720 announcement was weird, and I'm going to try and see 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.840 it this month. And it's one of my favorite musicals 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.880 of all time. Favorite song. Who would you play? Oh 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.599 my god? I mean I could see as the beggar woman. Yeah, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.240 the beggar woman? Is that how? I'm a bottom Carter's 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:32.160 yeah that is unfortunately, yeah, okay, she's she's going to 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.280 exit the studio hunch. I just really loved Joanna honestly 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.640 as a song, it so incredible and like just the 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.640 movie version of that. I actually haven't seen it on stage. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.520 Before I'm realizing I only know the movie version. Yeah. Unfortunately, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:48.200 Anthony in this production was not great. Anthony Prosky's kidding here, Yeah, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.320 that shockingly. But we have to say the worst part 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.240 of this production of Sweet Todd was the choreography. What 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.440 was going on. The thing about Sweeney Todd specifically is 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.680 that the music is so powerful and the voices singing, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.400 especially the first song, the Ballad of Sweeney Todd, is 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.040 that the music and the voices women together are so 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.320 intricate and powerful that literally nothing else needs to happen 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.560 on stage, and yet they undercut that in this production 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.880 by having them do, as Friend pointed out, all this 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.479 Martha Graham ass choreography like they're in a high school 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.280 production of Hair. Yeah, it was Martha Graham is exactly 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.600 the vibe. It was this kind of pseudo contemporary like 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.720 fluid bodies like one of the So honestly, I think 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.599 Rose and I, I don't know if this is your experience, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.400 my experience from the first song, we immediately felt this 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.920 like awfulness about what about this kind of like how 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.760 the ensemble was stage and something that they try right 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.080 from jump is the classic, the classic Martha Graham like 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.720 kind of a pulsating body blob of like you know 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.520 on someone members, like pulsing whatever, anything like turning into 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.240 each other like one writhing mass of flesh. And I 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:05.919 think it might have been a previous thing. But I 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.800 also was like, the people in this cast are vocalists. 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.760 I did not see them all as like choreo girls, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:16.040 and I think when you do the perfectly synchronized human blob, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.880 it's like you do have to be perfectly sac They 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.720 were not. It just doesn't need You don't need choreography 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.680 with this music, specifically with Sandheim. You should just stand 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.120 there and sing. It should be good enough that you 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.680 can do that and it will be powerful. And there 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.360 were moments where they did small movements like little jerky 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.960 head things. That is as much as you need to do. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.880 It was so overwrought and over choreograph and over choreographed, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.320 and it just didn't need to be. But I still say, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.920 if you love Sweeney Todd, if you want to see 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.440 a big, splashy Broadway production of it, definitely go see 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.200 it's It's absolutely worth it. I still had a fantastic time, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.480 and you'll probably see a better version than what we 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.279 saw from the previews I feel. I mean, it probably 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.640 won't change that much from opening, but it might change 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.840 a little, and I would be interested in seeing it again. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.520 After it opened. You were saying, you were like, what 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.000 did they just cut all the correo or something? I 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.000 like they could, but you're so right. It just they 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.720 just need spotlight lit from underneath so their faces look 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.400 really scary, and they need a park and bark spooky spooky. Yeah, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.120 speaking of ooky spooky, last night were the Oscars Hollywood 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.000 spookiest night time of record. Yeah, last night were the Oscars. Yes, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.000 I had a little I had a little Oscars gathering. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.960 It was my first time entertaining that many people in 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.760 my home. How did I do as a hostess? The 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.680 couch was doing a lot of work. The snacks that 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.320 you that you laid out do that, and we didn't 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.280 even eat them all. I have so many dips in 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.280 my fridge. I took cheese home. I also last night 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.440 I was so worried about people eating on the couch. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.560 And I was because I have a white couch. Well 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.880 it's like an ivory color, and I was so worried 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.120 about it, about someone like spilling on it. Nothing happened 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.600 this morning. I like checked it over. I was cleaning 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.400 it was perfect, and then what did I do? I 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.320 cut my leg and bled all over the couch. This wording, honey, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.960 But it's a it's a performance fabric. It's I already 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.720 cleaned it off. It is I bought I bought up. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.280 I'm not going to get a white couch in a 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.600 in a fabric that would not like be cleanable. As 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.560 a seasoned hostess, I mean you're also a seasoned hostess, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.119 but not with this house. Um, I will say, little tip. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.160 I do not serve foods that can stain anything. So 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.600 that blueberry cheval you had, which nobody ate, I ate it, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.160 you were and you took it home. I love the 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.000 Trader Joe's blueberry chevro. Okay, I love that cheese. I 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.160 bought so much food less yesterday, like I bought it 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.040 as if I was hosting fifteen people because I haven't 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.080 hosted in a while. But we horked it down. I 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.480 thought I did a good job. The punch was delicious. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.720 Another thing I would not have allowed in my home stainable. Okay, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.800 well but but but it was delicious. It was delicious. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.440 That is a classic recipe of sorbet and sprite and 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.880 sprite and like grenadine and cherries. Um. So, our experience 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.480 of watching the Oscars last night was basically every time 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.880 a new person was showcased on camera or friend Hilton 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.320 or I would say would suck or talked about how 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.319 much we needed their loads, And that was kind of 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.120 our Oscars experience. There was a kind of low doometer. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.680 It was just like how many loads? And when Pedro 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.720 Pascal came up to present work off there all screamed, well, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.160 we screamed, I think before you got there. Pedro did 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.560 some red carpet interview and he did a thing where 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.520 he like looked at the camera and we all daddy, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.080 We like, we all climaxed instant here. We all became 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.880 his baby girls. Um, I he's the baby girl, is 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:41.000 the reality, and he his his oscars joke was gay. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:47.840 It was gay. Well he's aged. But what we can 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.760 talk about is that he had that post that was 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.040 kind of alluding to the fact that like when he 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.920 was like the answer is like in the wind or whatever, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.280 he's kind of staying like, if you're asking questions about 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.440 my sexuality, I don't give a fuck, Like, yeah, it's there, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.280 it's there for the taking. I don't need a comment 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.760 on it. Further, if that was your interpretation of the post, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.440 which some people would not interpret it that way, I 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.880 feel like, if you're in your fifties and you're at 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.320 the what is the prime peak of your career? His 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.320 sister is transum Bella is you know, non binary. You 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.240 have so many people in your life where this is 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.319 like a prescient issue, and for him to be like, yeah, 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.160 why not, Like I thought it was gorgeous king behavior 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.600 um oscars, you know, as expected everything everywhere all at once, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:34.079 swept no oscars for Tar. It won literally nothing and 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.400 went home empty hand at Toddfield and his giant hot 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.080 must have been pissed. Yeah, it was, honestly, there was. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.160 That was something that I thought was interesting about. Like 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:49.439 the group that we had watching is between you, Me, Hilton, Peyton, Tie, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:54.040 Michael QB. Like Twitter people were we were there like tweets. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.480 It was the kind of situation where it's like laptop, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.360 you hear the tweets before you see them on Twitter. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.800 We were like, weren't shopping everything live. That's like someone 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.720 would say a joke and then if I got enough laughter, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.400 you would see them pull out their phone, and I 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.640 think that, you know the I think our surprise about 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.439 the tar of it all was kind of that, right, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.360 Like Tar was a Twitter movie. Um, not to reduce 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.600 it because it's obviously an amazing film, but like we 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.960 get into these like little echo chambers where we're just like, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.960 this is the best thing ever created, right over and 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.840 over and over again, and then it's like and then 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.920 you know, but then also Kate did win a lot 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.120 of a lot of the awards shows leading up to 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.440 the Oscars, she was the front runner. I mean Michelle. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:41.760 I would say Michelle was more the populist choice. But 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.200 you know, for both Brendan and Michelle, like these are 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.000 career wins more than I think specifically for the performance 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.320 they deliver. As much as we didn't want that fat 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.280 suit to have an Oscar, the fat suit literally won 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:01.240 an Oscar. So insane to say out loud. I mean, yeah, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.480 it was wild. I mean rose a victory for us, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.440 a loss for you, for everything everywhere all at wants too. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.840 So it's not like I hate it kind of, but 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.400 I'm I'm just means, I'm glad. I'm glad that it's over. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.559 I'm glad that award season's over. I'm glad that almost 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.480 a year after I saw it, that we can now 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.800 stop talking about everything everywhere all at one. I have 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:30.760 to I've nothing nowhere all and never ever, never ever. Okay, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.120 I have been thinking about that record about your about 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.000 your everything everywhere diet tribe for lack of my fatigue. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.160 It's really what it is. I have to say. I 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.000 was thinking about it and I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.880 it's exhausting when things were talked about for a year. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.000 Avatar Way of Water has been talked about for seven years. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.120 Do you not grow tired? But like as of last year, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.480 I didn't even believe it was really coming out, So 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.160 it's kind of a different thing. Okay, sure, okay, some 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.920 stuff we couldn't get into the Last of Us finale happened. Friend, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.520 don't watched it yet, so we'll we'll um hit it 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.480 next week. And also we have a very special announcement 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:12.680 coming next week, So multiple announcements, multiple loads. Uh, hang 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.160 on to your butt. The looter is is that that 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.640 little thing it's gonna break, It's going all the way 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.839 to glast is going to shatter. It's like that the 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.640 side that where it goes all the way over is 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.439 like bright silk and there's gonna become everywhere. Yeah yeah 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.200 yeah yeah. Um so whatever, it is, just like, do 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.920 not miss next week's episode. That's what we're saying. If you, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.480 if you sometimes skips skip episodes, which if you are, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.679 you're not a real virgin, um, do not skip next 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.079 week's episode. It is going to be packing. No, make 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:58.599 sure you are extra submissive, unbreathable next week. It was 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.600 a wise woman once said I was in the two 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:06.920 one two. Oh yeah, a wise woman. I think she's 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.600 wise beyond her years. Um, you know, for for not 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.840 very wise women. One said that New York was the 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:20.040 fifth character in a TV show. Shirt are sure? Um, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.600 Today we are doing a cute little episode on New 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:31.280 York City, Love of our Lives Concrete Jungle. That will 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.320 never not be funny to me. That should be a hat. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:39.960 Everything should be a hat. Everything should concrete jungle. Um. Anyways, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.920 in this concrete Jungle, Rose, we're doing this. We're doing 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.440 this episode on our beloved Concrete Jungle to honor you know, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.480 the my return following your return. Yeah, we are both 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:56.200 New Yorkers once again. And I okay, I think this 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.360 is like a I'll wait till you open your roy 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.600 my La. Sometimes you forget that sound travel also gets 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.160 picked up by the microphone. I'm not the only one. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.440 I'm not the only one, but I am usually the 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.800 one usually the Um, when do you think, how long 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.200 do you think you have to live here before you 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:20.160 consider yourself a New Yorker? Um? Um, I'll just say 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.320 six years because that's how long I lived in New 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.520 York until I moved to La. See, I will say ten. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.040 I think everyone says everyone says ten. I think it's 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.040 that's like kind of the standard. But I was trying to, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.400 you know, put a spin on it too, for you 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.680 to validate your your own experience. Yeah, well, I mean 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.240 if you account no, never mind continue. So you think 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.280 it should be ten, I think it's ten. I don't know. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:46.760 A decade just sounds right to me. But also the 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.320 real ty, honestly is it's not. It's not that you 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.240 have to be in New York for ten years. To me, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.880 you're a real New Yorker when you want to move 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.480 to LA and when you want to move to LA, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.240 like the magic of New York has worn and it 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.120 does kind of happen around ten years. Yes, yes, it 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.240 really does. I know so many people that move to 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.240 LA for like one, two or maybe three years and 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.080 then come back. Yeah. Well, well we'll get to that. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.480 But I do want to talk about the our you know, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:20.400 our personal New York mythology, because New York City um 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:25.160 does loom large and the cultural consciousness. It is a 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:31.440 real place, but it is also a like very um fictionalized. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.320 Yeah it is. It is an idea as well as 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:41.120 a real place. And I think everyone grows up consuming 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.680 media about New York City. Everyone grows up thinking they 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.080 understand what this place is, and um, I know what 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:55.240 when I am what? How How did New York show 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.280 up for you in your childhood growing up? Like when 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.000 did you become conscious of it? I think my earliest 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:07.199 consciousness of New York is James and the Giant Peach, which, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.040 you know, a lot of the arc of that movie 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.639 is about getting to New York City, being on the 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.639 Empire State Building. Um, there's this kind of grand adventure 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.480 and then the Emerald City at the end. And I 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.360 think that there are a lot of media like that 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.320 with New York as this kind of like you know, um, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.520 Final Domain or whatever, Yes, the Final Doll. I loved 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.760 James the Giant Peach and that movie really is like 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.920 a love letter to York in a very weird way, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.879 and a love letter to Peaches, yes, and a love 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.400 letter to Peaches, and uh, you know, James the Giant 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.960 Peach walked, so that call Me by your Name could 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:48.080 run um I but the real answer is Ugly Betty, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.320 which we'll talk about in an Ugly Betty episode, but 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.439 definitely seeing Betty make it in New York, try to 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.480 make it in New York like constantly fail, constantly watch 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.560 people take advantage of her. I think was you know, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.600 definitely a fictionalized version of New York, but it was 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.280 also something that was a lot realer than the media 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.480 at the time. Like im, you know, have actually gone 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.280 through so many things that actually happened in the New 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 York life of Betty. So was your sex in the city? 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.919 Is that an accurate guess? Um? No? I mean, I 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.920 guess it's kind of different from me because I grew 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.040 up coming here so often, right, you know, my mom 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.280 is from New York. My mom is a long Islander, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.960 and when I was growing up, my mom's whole family 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:39.680 still lived up here. My grandparents lived here. Um, they 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.320 had a house in Florida. But I grew up visiting 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.960 New York City, and I think Broadway was probably the 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.960 entry point for me, because those are my earliest memories 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.480 of the city are coming in with my grandparents and 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.560 them taking us to see shows. Do you remember anything 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.960 about your very first trip or like what? Not very 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.080 first but definitely only one of the earliest ones I 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.200 remember was coming in with my grandparents to see Annie 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.640 Get Your Gun starring Bernadette Peters. Oh my god, it 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:16.480 was an iconic moment in my life, and I just, yeah, 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.439 I have lots of memories of like walking around Times 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:26.639 Square and seeing the bright lights, big city. But so yeah, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:32.880 for me, growing up the I had both the idealized 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.040 version of New York that existed in movies and film 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.959 and books, and then also the actual experience of it 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.560 I had coming here because like I spent a lot 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.200 of time here as a child, and then I came 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.239 to New York on my own on a lot of 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.520 school trips, so I had real life experience of the 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.439 city as I was also watching this fantastical version of it. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.560 And yes, definitely, I think Sex in the City was 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:07.240 the first time that I really experienced the fantasy New 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.960 York in media, the sort of the adult New York, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:17.040 the non you know, Broadway new York. I feel like 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.280 there comes a time like you and I are kind 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.560 of breaking down the difference between the fantasy New York 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.840 right and the real version. And I feel like, I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.760 think the first time you go to New York, it 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.080 is kind of immediately demystified, and then when you live 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.600 in New York after like the first like year or two. 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.920 It's completely demystified, like it's all over. Like I remember 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.240 my first trip to New York was I think probably 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.000 to see Wicked for something. My dad took me and 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:49.240 my cousin. I don't remember much of the trip much 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.879 like you, but I do remember like stepping off of 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.360 a train or something in Times Square and then just 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:03.320 getting that wave of like hot garbage, cigarettes, piss, and 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.800 halal food smell, you know what I mean? That Like 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.840 Time Square just smells like and it's not this if 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.840 you you know, have grown up with the Emerald City 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.399 version of New York. That's not what you think. You 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.560 don't know what it smells like, right, And that like wave, 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.720 the immediate immersion into what is like the worst part 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.679 of New York City was something that I was just like, oh, 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.959 this is New York. Like I was probably an interesting 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.560 fifth grade or something, because because we always came here 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.919 when I was a kid in the winter, because I 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.159 grew up in Florida, so we always wanted to be 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.840 here when it was cold because we didn't have that, 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.919 And so that was I never experienced like hot, piss, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:49.639 garbage New York until I was and maybe until I 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.240 lived here because I came here a lot in high 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.919 school for either school trips or my older brother moved 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.320 here after college, and I came and stayed with him 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.119 a couple of times, but again it was always in 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.080 the winter. There was one memorable time when he was 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.800 living in Chelsea in a studio apartment and I came 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.000 and stayed with him, and he worked at He worked 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:14.600 in the what is now the Viacom building, and he 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.560 got me into TRL, and I went to TRL in 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.960