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Speaker 1: We'll give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rosdam, I'm

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Speaker 1: Fran Froda, and we do have a secret third guest

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Speaker 1: as we have us and Oscar's commentary if she can.

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Speaker 1: Was told to be quiet, and we'll also be well.

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Speaker 1: I think okay. The big thing is that we did

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Speaker 1: finally see Sweeney Todd on Broadway. It's currently in previews.

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Speaker 1: We saw the previews version for sure. Yes, Fran has

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Speaker 1: never seen Sweeney Todd before. I of course it's one

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know. How we felt leaving the theater.

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Speaker 1: we got to the critiques, which are Josh Groban Annie

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Speaker 1: Ashford both about ten years too young to play either

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Speaker 1: that when I watched it. Annalie also doing a horrible

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Speaker 1: then with Josh Grobin it was a little too perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Non or like honestly, like any New York housewife, that's

426
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Speaker 1: like they want us to go to Brooklyn. Oh my god,

427
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: but um, you are in high school. I'm in lorn.

428
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Speaker 1: I mean you bring up a good point, which is

429
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: that my early trips here before I lived here, it

430
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: was all about the very touristy parts of New York,

431
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: seeing Broadway shows, going to you know, Chinatown to get food,

432
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: going to places like Fao Schwartz. I used to love

433
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: going to um, going to Jacqueline Hide. Have you ever

434
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Speaker 1: been to Jacqueline Hide? Don't even know what that? Oh

435
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: my god, it's a theme restaurant that's like spooky. It's

436
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: like a rainforest cafe Planet Hollywood. Yeah, but they have

437
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: like shows and it's like spooky vibes. So it was fun,

438
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: very fun. What about when you like finally moved here,

439
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Speaker 1: like do you like digging into I guess our mythologies

440
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: as you said, like what is there? Like do you

441
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: remember like first impressions of like because when you move

442
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: move here, it's a different it's a different thing. Yeah, well,

443
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, moving here from you know, I moved here

444
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Speaker 1: at eighteen for college, and it is crazy that the

445
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: that the first place where I had complete freedom to

446
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: do whatever I want with no supervision was New York City.

447
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: You know you kind of did that through your whole childhood.

448
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: But okay, yeah that's no. But I mean no, I

449
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. My mom like dropped me off

450
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: at my dorm and then went home, and then I

451
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: could walk out of my dorm and go and go

452
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: anywhere in New York City. And I did, and I

453
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: got into a lot of trouble. I did a lot

454
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Speaker 1: of stupid shit. It is really crazy to drop a

455
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: teenager off in you know, the this city where you

456
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: can do anything at any time and be like, okay,

457
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Speaker 1: figure it out. Do you look back at this like

458
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: ther first few years fondly or is it so absolutely okay?

459
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: Good good? Because you you were saying, like I did

460
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, stupid shit, I got in trouble.

461
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: No that was that was yeah, okay, good, good good,

462
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: because I think that you have to come to the

463
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: city and make a lot of mistakes, like you have

464
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: to be you have to get in trouble. You have

465
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Speaker 1: to um, meet the wrong people, follow love with the

466
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: wrong people, like go to the wrong party, like you know, um,

467
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Speaker 1: I think that some of my more visceral moments like

468
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: that are like, you know, I used to host I've

469
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: said this in the pub before. I used to host

470
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: like a terrible party at Union Essex that was cocktail

471
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Speaker 1: tire And I remember like sitting on the last step

472
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Speaker 1: at the jay Z metro stop like in a suit,

473
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: like barfing and like someone getting me into a cab

474
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: and like I lost my shoes or like something like that.

475
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: It's just like I think messie knights like that are

476
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, they stick in your mind because it's like

477
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: when you're experiencing it in real time, it's not like, um,

478
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: oh I'm in trouble. It's oh, I'm in trouble in

479
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: New York City, Yes, right, And that I think feels

480
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: bigger and scarier, but it makes your freedom. The New

481
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: York is what I've always thought is New York is

482
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: a place of limitless possibilities. Yeah, anything can happen at

483
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: any time, and it will and it does. And that

484
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: has true been my experience of it. Um, what are

485
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: all the different neighborhoods you've lived in here? I've lived

486
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: in uh So, I went to I moved to New

487
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: York for a graduate certificate program at NYU and briefly

488
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: lived in Grammercy in a dorm. Moved to Williamsburg and

489
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: then South Williamsburg um like the hasidic part of Williamsburg,

490
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: and was there for three years. And now I live

491
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: I moved to like redacted. Right, we're not going to

492
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: say where we live, right, right. I moved to Crown

493
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: Heights and now I'm in another another neighborhood. I mean,

494
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm in beds, an undisclosed location. Everyone knows I'm in beds.

495
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Diet It's fine. It's a big neighborhood. When I moved

496
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Speaker 1: to New York for college in two thousand and six,

497
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: which is the year after the Devilors product came out,

498
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: so you know, I was really feeling myself. Um. I

499
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: lived my dorm was in Midtown, Okay, and then after

500
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: that I moved to the Upper east side of the

501
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: edge of Spanish Harlem. My first New York apartment was

502
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: on Fifth Avenue. So when we walked out the front

503
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: door of our building, Central Park was right there and

504
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: it ended a block up, so that was really nice.

505
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: I lived there for through the rest of college. Was

506
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: it chic being on the upper upper It was not

507
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: the way we lived in that apartment was not cheek.

508
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: Nothing chic about it. Um. And then I lived on

509
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the Lower east Side in a two bedroom apartment with

510
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: four other people. O god, are those are my crackhead days?

511
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: And then I was one of the early Bushwick gentrifiers.

512
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I moved truly. I moved to Bushwick in two thousand. Oh. Well, no,

513
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I briefly lived in Chinatown, which I actually loved. That

514
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: also sounds cheek. Um, it was chic. And then I

515
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: moved to Bushwick. And then I lived in Bushwick for

516
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: eight years until I moved until I moved to LA

517
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and then moved back here and now I live and

518
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: beepy Okay, I for a while you you kind of

519
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: really wanted to be a Manhattan girly. You were like,

520
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: I think I want to live in Manhattan. Yeah, I

521
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: do think that at some point in my life perhaps

522
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I will want to live in Manhattan again. I always

523
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: my fantasy, for sure was West Village, always growing up.

524
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: Once I found out that that's where Carrie's actual apartment was,

525
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: it's well, it's on Perry Street if you've never been,

526
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: and like every a list of celebrity whatever, Julianne Moore,

527
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Meryl Street. But I always wanted to live in a

528
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: brownstone in the West Village. But then when I was

529
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: in my early freelancing days, I went to interview lev Grossman,

530
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: who is the author of The Magicians, which I think

531
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I've talked about on the show before, and I went

532
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: to interview him at his house in this beautiful brownstone

533
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: that he lived in in the neighborhood that I currently

534
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: live in. And I remember thinking when I went to

535
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: interview him and we hung out his house, we like

536
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: drank a bunch of whiskey, and I remember thinking this

537
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: is the life I want. I want to live in

538
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: this neighborhood one day, and now I live a couple

539
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: blocks away from there, and so it is like very

540
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: much like I have finally the aversion of the New

541
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: York life that I really imagined myself having a long

542
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: time ago. Honestly, same with my apartment. I truly I'm

543
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: like living in the apartment of my dreams, a very

544
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: expensive apartment of my dreams that like I want to

545
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: live in forever. Your apartment as well, again not telling

546
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: where it is. Your apartment is a forever apartment. It is.

547
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: So it's definitely I think this is the last apartment

548
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: that I want to rent. I think I will move

549
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: when I'm ready. I mean, who knows when this will happen,

550
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: when I'm ready to buy something, hopefully in a couple

551
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: of years. That's even something we're able to do by

552
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: property in New York. But it is, it's not it's

553
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: not the apartment of my dreams, but it's definitely something

554
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: that I always fantasized about, which is aloft in New

555
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: York City, And that is what I have now, and

556
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: it is it is a certain kind of fantasy. We

557
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: are honestly being so unrelatable talking about like a renting

558
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: our one bedrooms in cute little neighborhoods. But like we

559
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: have the virgins have to know, like we came from

560
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: the bottom, we've lived scum like well, I mean I

561
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: just said I lived in a two bedroom partment with

562
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: four other people. And this is how it worked. So

563
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: in each of the bedrooms there was a loft in

564
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: each of them. So one person's bed was in the loft,

565
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: and one person's bed was on the floor, and then

566
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: our fifth, the fifth person in the apartment, her bedroom,

567
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: her her bed, her loft was in the living room

568
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: above the refrigeration. And we lived on Rivington and Clinton,

569
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: which you know is like a very gaggy intersection. And

570
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: we all paid five hundred dollars a month that is

571
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: parais like, and like it didn't matter that we were

572
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: all sleeping on top of each other because this was

573
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: the time in my life when I was like out

574
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: every night every day. I was like partying all the time.

575
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: If I was home, we were having a party there

576
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: or just like sleeping or whatever. You know. That was

577
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: my my young wild days. Although like pre my wild

578
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: party girl days, this was my wild straight partying days

579
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: when I would just like party with my straight friends

580
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: and then like go out and hook up with randas

581
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh my god, that was that fun

582
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: or not? Yeah, it was fun, you know, it was living.

583
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: I was like sewing my wild oats, Like that's the

584
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: apartment where I did. I turned twenty one. It was

585
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: like right after I turned twenty one, So it was

586
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like New York was my oyster. I feel like it

587
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: has to. You have to hit the ground running in

588
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: New York. You have to live paycheck to paycheck. New

589
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: York has to be your oyster to some extent. I

590
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: one of my I think my first year in New York,

591
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I had like eleven addresses in like one year. Like

592
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I was just moving and moving and moving and moving.

593
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: I remember subletting a place in Williamsburg for six hundred

594
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: dollars a month that had no windows, none. It was

595
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: like so awful, but like you know, you're just happy

596
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: to be there and you it's a make it work.

597
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: It's always a make it work moment. When I first

598
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: moved to New York, I actually slept on the couch

599
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: of someone that I met on Tumblr. Isn't that amazing? Yeah,

600
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: Like Umbler really brings people together, and honestly, it was

601
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I will be so grateful for this as like my

602
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: induction to New York, or rather the inductor like indoctrinating

603
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: me into New York in my first few weeks, because

604
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: he was a more crunchy like artist Williamsburg type, and

605
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: so he showed me those parts of New York, like

606
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: he took me to Reespeech, he took me to again. Yeah,

607
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: I love Reespeach. We have opposite of I. Um, you know,

608
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: he took me to Metropolitan. I saw. I had never

609
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: seen a drag show before he showed me. My first

610
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 1: drag show was I'm pretty sure my first drag show

611
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: was severely mame. Oh, that's I think a really good

612
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good first show. And I

613
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: just didn't really know what drag was. But I think

614
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that when you can because a lot and I think

615
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the reasons that I didn't know what

616
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: it was because of my background, but also like drag

617
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: is something that isn't really good on a video. You

618
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: have to be in person to see what it feels like.

619
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Speaker 1: And I think that that you know, said a lot

620
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: about the kind of New York that I was attracted

621
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: to and immediately found myself inside of. You know, it's

622
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: like the space is being in a drag performance. So

623
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: we talked about how we kind of now have achieved

624
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: a sort of real life version of the New York

625
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: that we fantasized about. But was there a moment for

626
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: you when your real life experience of being here really

627
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: clashed with the fantasy New York, Like, do you remember

628
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: a moment of that, like fantasy New York kind of

629
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: shattering for you? My Jone didion goodbye to all that momentum.

630
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm the first one that comes to mind is when

631
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend in New York broke up with me.

632
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: It's the only time I've ever been broken up with

633
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: And I just remember like crying on a bus, like

634
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: leaving Park Slope. Crying on a bus is so humiliating.

635
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: And then as I was getting off the bus, still crying,

636
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I fell eight shitt like got like scuffed my knees

637
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: was like covered in blood and like crying, and it

638
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: was just it was a low moment for a lot

639
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: of different reasons, because you know, career stuff was always stressful,

640
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: boy stuff was stressful, trying to pay rent, was stressful,

641
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: and I think it. Yeah, everyone has a kind of

642
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: boiling point or a moment where it's just like, oh fuck,

643
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: like what am I doing? But you know it didn't

644
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: last that long. What about you? I think for me

645
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: it actually was that first time I went to Brooklyn,

646
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: because I think it wasn't necessarily a negative experience. It

647
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: was just a realization that the city was so much

648
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: bigger than what I had imagined it as or what

649
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: or what the version that had been sold to me was, Like,

650
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: New York City was not just Time Square, Chinatown and

651
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Bloomingdale's and Central Park. Um, there was There were all

652
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: these other boroughs and they were full of real people

653
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: living their lives. You just reminded me that my very

654
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: first New York tip, when I was in fifth grade,

655
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: I did make pilgrimage to the Balto statue in Central Park. Wow,

656
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: did you? I was not. I have always wanted to

657
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: piss on um. The imagine hippies would be so mad

658
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: at you. I love making hippies mad. No, I would

659
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: love to piss on the Balto statue. Um Balto was hot?

660
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: Can we say that? We can say that? Um? So

661
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: we both have left New York I've left New York

662
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but I think them we both did, like,

663
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, the real leaving New York when we moved

664
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. Um the weekend before I moved, which

665
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: was in Covid Um, so obviously like New York wasn't

666
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: exactly what it was. But it was June twenty twenty,

667
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: so things were kind of starting to to come back. Um.

668
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: My best friend did rent a cart so we could

669
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: do a goodbye tour of New York. And remember you

670
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, so the stops for my goodbye tour

671
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: were I believe we we maybe got bagels in the

672
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: morning and then went to Central Park. I went to

673
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: the Alice in Wonderland statue, which I love. Um. Then

674
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: we drove we drove over to the gershwin Um, which

675
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: is the theater where Wick it is, just to like

676
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: wave and say hi, um so Gorney. Then we virgins

677
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean not all the reasons know. You

678
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: are a corny girl. I am a very I'm Carrie Broadshaw.

679
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: You are carry um. Then we drove downtown and went

680
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: to CATS's and got Cornbee sandwiches. Was having I had

681
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: what she was having, um and then we went to

682
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: the West Village, went to Carry's apartment and all the

683
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: picture it took a video, and also there is a

684
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: video of us singing of us singing the Sex and

685
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the City theme song outside Carry's apartment. Then I think

686
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: we went we went to Magnolia Bakery and got cupcakes,

687
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: even though Magnolia is not the best cupcakes in the city,

688
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: real ones, no Billy's Bakery, which I don't even know

689
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: if it still exists. Nobody thinks Magnolia is good. Magnolia

690
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: is not good. Cupcakes are bad, cupcakes are delicious. This

691
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: is the first wrong. This was my first wrong take

692
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: on like a virgin. I remember when I told you that,

693
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you were like, what the fuck are you talking about?

694
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: But cupcakes are just not good. They don't make sense

695
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: to me. Did you do any sort of Goodbye New

696
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: York tour when you left? No, you're you're not sentimental

697
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: about stuff like that. I you know, it depends the

698
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: context of my leaving New York was like very fraught

699
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: and you know, very different from yours. I left York

700
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: when I wasn't really ready to. I was in love

701
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: with my Brooklyn fam. I was in love with drag

702
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: here I was. I felt like I had just gotten

703
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: a kind of new momentum in New York, and all

704
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I had this job in La lined

705
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: up for me, and it was something that I felt

706
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: like I couldn't pass up. And so I was like,

707
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, I can do this and come back to

708
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Brooklyn every month. And I kind of, I mean, when

709
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't a pandemic, like I kind of did. So

710
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: it never felt as much like a goodbye, but no, yeah,

711
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: my goodbye was pretty much like I sent an email

712
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: to like all my loved ones and that and like

713
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: and I was just like I'm so sorry, like this

714
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: job is happening an immediate immediately and I have to

715
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: go now, and it was. It was actually really sad.

716
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: But I think that there's a lot of like drama

717
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of Joe Diddy and goodbye to all

718
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: that energy when it comes to like leaving New York,

719
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: that like I didn't want to participate in because I

720
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm not leaving, like I know, New

721
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: York is my final destination. This is like a goodbye

722
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: for now, you know. And I was sad to leave it.

723
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: I really was, even though I appreciate the break, and

724
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: everyone I think needs breaks from New York. I felt

725
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: the same way. I knew that it was a goodbye

726
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: for now. I said to everyone that I was leaving

727
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: with the intention of coming back. But it did feel

728
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: to me like the end of an era, a very

729
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: long era, because I lived. But when I left, I

730
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: had lived in New York for fourteen years, just a

731
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: really long fucking time. You know. It was like my

732
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: whole adulthood took place here, and I just felt like

733
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: that time of my life was over. I was ready to,

734
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, move into the next part of my life

735
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: and my career. I thought that was in LA, and

736
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: like in certain ways it was. But then deciding to

737
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: come back, you know, I always knew I was going

738
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: to come back New York. I get the same as you.

739
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: New York does feel like home. I do consider myself

740
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: a New Yorker. I always knew I would be back here.

741
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I just thought I would be in LA for longer.

742
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: But I felt like I was in LA for too long,

743
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: like maybe like six months too long. But it also,

744
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the pandemic skewed so much of it, like

745
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: I was basically one year, like I was in Los

746
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Angeles for just under two and a half years. It

747
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: went by so quickly, and it feels like but it

748
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: feels like I was there for no time at all.

749
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: And I know that that's not actually that long of

750
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: a time, but I I just felt this place calling

751
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: me back. And I do think that most of the

752
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: people I know who are New Yorkers, like it's not

753
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: about the time that they've spent here. I do think

754
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: like there is a call that you hear that tells

755
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: you you need to be here, and when you find

756
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: your place, I think that's when you're a New Yorker.

757
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: I agree, it's when you find your people, like you

758
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: find your subculture. And yeah, that's so true. I think

759
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: it's something that honestly separates like New Yorkers from people

760
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: that move to Los Angeles or any other cities. Like

761
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: if you move to New York, it's like because you

762
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: you know who you are and you're waiting for like

763
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: everyone to like discover you right like you you're you're

764
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: you have bought into like who you are as a

765
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: person and everything that makes you great, and you're like,

766
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for everyone to like catch up with me.

767
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, and I think that there's

768
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: so much power in that like New York ambition that

769
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: like lets you, as we've been talking about, like manifest,

770
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: tryanifest your dreams and really create the job that you want,

771
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: create the world that you want, like anything you want.

772
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: There's also you have to be a masochist if you

773
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: want to live here. Yeah, you do, because it's so

774
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: hard to survive here, and the feeling of accomplishment you

775
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: get from you know, if you can make it here,

776
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: you can make it anywhere. It's so corny. But the

777
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: reason why all of these sayings, why like all of

778
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: those like corny, these ideas about New York are so enduring,

779
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: is because ultimately they're true. You have to hustle so

780
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: hard to survive here. It's like an extra job on

781
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: top of whatever it is you do is just you know,

782
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: making it, and once you have accomplished that, it does

783
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: really feel like doing that anywhere else is so easy

784
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: and like you feel like a big fish anywhere else. Yeah,

785
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds so kind of sending, but it's

786
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: like it is kind of true. It's it's I think

787
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: that it can be a bad and a good thing,

788
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: and you know, being being back here, it just feels

789
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: so much different. I feel like a grown up in

790
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: a way that I didn't the last time I was here.

791
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: And I just like, um, you know, like in season

792
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: five of Sex in the City, when Carrie said that

793
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: she was dating New York. M that's how I feel.

794
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm like falling in love with with um New York again.

795
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: And and uh and ain't nobody talking shit about my boyfriend? Yeah,

796
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: Carrie says in that episode, New York is like a

797
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit of like an abusive boyfriend. Though, like New

798
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: York will like, don't cancel us, We're saying, New York

799
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: will absolutely like just like you know, fuck your brains

800
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: out and like make you feel amazing and then wake

801
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: up the next morning and like you know, kick you

802
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: in the nerds or like you know, make fun of

803
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: you in front of your friends or whatever. You know,

804
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: it's the chicest thing you can do in New York

805
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: that you don't really do anymore. And I miss it

806
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: so much. Hailing a cab a taxi just she's stepping

807
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: out onto a curb, like pointing your toe, lifting your

808
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: arm up in the air. I miss that era of

809
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: New because now it's all Ubers and like you can't

810
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: you you know, I moved here in the way of

811
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: sex in the city, like the Devil Worst Product, Ugly

812
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Betty was on the air, like I was living that fantasy.

813
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I was not living that

814
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: fantasy because I was like broke, I was not a

815
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: woman yet whatever. But I still have many moments of

816
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: stepping onto the curb and hilling my little taxi. How

817
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: do you feel about like in this Emerald City kind

818
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: of version of New York. This is a city that

819
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people come to to be surrounded by

820
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: more queer people, right to experience nightlife, to experience drag,

821
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: to experience whatever it is queer and trance people do here,

822
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: which is a lot of different shit. Do you feel like,

823
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, people in small towns or people that aren't

824
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: in New York like should move here? Do you think

825
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: that like being here, making it here is something that's

826
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: like unlike any other Like what would you say to

827
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: someone that's thinking about moving to New York? I mean,

828
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's for everyone agree, and usually you

829
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: will find that out within the first year. I used

830
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: to have a rule that I didn't date or become

831
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: friends with anyone who hadn't lived here for at least

832
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: a year yet, because they I saw so many people

833
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: who just didn't make it that first year, and I

834
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to get attached. And also that first year

835
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: is so crazy fresh New York. It is a vibe

836
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: the very specific type of person yea, And I just

837
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: like was very hardline about that, especially with dating. I'm

838
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: going on I'm going on dates with someone who's a

839
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: fresh New Yorker right now. Well, good luck with that. Um.

840
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: But it really again like if you hear, if you

841
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: hear the call, if you feel like you're meant to

842
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: be here, um, definitely try it out. But only if

843
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: you have like three thousand dollars. Yeah, Like at the

844
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: very least, Unfortunately a lot of it is about money.

845
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: It's it's about honestly, it's about having a portal. If

846
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: that's money, if that's a friend who you can crash with,

847
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: or who will you know, like show you around the city,

848
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: if that's having family here, chosen, biological, whatever. I think

849
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: a portal is very important. And for some people that

850
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: portal really just is believing this is the place they

851
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: were always meant to be and they figured out I

852
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: know so many people like that, who like Madonna who

853
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: moved here with thirty seven dollars in her pocket whatever,

854
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: and just make it work. And if you if you

855
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: feel the call to that extent, like, absolutely do it.

856
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: But do you think you need a job to move

857
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: here before you come here? It definitely helps, Yeah, it

858
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: definitely helps. I don't think you do. I think job

859
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: opportunities create themselves when you, you know, show up at

860
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: parties and meet people and stuff like that. But um,

861
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: if you're moving here, I definitely would say, like, do

862
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: like a stint here first, like have a summer here,

863
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: or have a month here, or like crash with a friend,

864
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: find like a cheap living situation where you can sublet

865
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Speaker 1: and just experience New York for a quick moment. You'll

866
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: experience all the magical parts of New York, but you

867
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to the things that are like

868
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: wearing you down and see how much longevity that has because,

869
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: just as you said, I, when you move here, if

870
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: you've been living here for a few years, New York

871
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: is at some point going to break your spirit and

872
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: absolutely and after it does the first time, which it

873
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: might multiple times, but after it does the first time.

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00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: It's up to you to decide whether it's worth it

875
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: to continue. And I think that sometimes it's just too much,

876
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is actually not my vibe, But

877
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: I do you used to be. I feel like now

878
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: that you don't have to front three months rent in

879
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: New York anymore, you can really move here with like

880
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: three or four grand, you know, if you're finding roommates

881
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. But like I think you should have like five.

882
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: You should save up like five thousand dollars. Like I

883
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: think when I moved here, I had saved up four

884
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I don't remember, but that's like very specific. Yeah,

885
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: I you know, if I'm going off of I'm going

886
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: off of more vibes than than capital vibes. You know,

887
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Speaker 1: what is the most New York moment ever? And I

888
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: might have talked about this before, So Charlotte, friend of

889
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: the podcast, Charlene, She and I have been friends for

890
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: a long time, and I so Charlene. I think it's

891
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: like ten years ago now is when she started doing

892
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: drag and she and I became friends. We like saw

893
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: each other out at TNT a lot and became the

894
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: first gay bar I ever went to in New York. Um, yeah,

895
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and became friendly. And then one night at the Spectrum,

896
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the original Spectrum, we were like standing around chatting and

897
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: she said, you know that I'm and she said her

898
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: dead name, and oh, and it was because she and

899
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: I had lived in that apartment on the Lower Side

900
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: where I lived in a two bedroom with four other people.

901
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: She had lived above me pre transition, both when both

902
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: of us were pre transition, And that was one of

903
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: those like circular New York moments where I realized this

904
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: person who was becoming very important with my life, she

905
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: and I had known each other on this whole other

906
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: point on our timelines, like like at least like two

907
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: lives ago from the point where we were now, and

908
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, this is a person who is still one

909
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: of my closest friends. And that is like such a

910
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: New York moment to me. It's like realizing that the

911
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: people around you are having these experiences that are running

912
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: parallel to yours, that intersect with yours, and you can

913
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: be like a point on each other's timelines, and like

914
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: sometimes you change in the same ways, and like it's

915
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: crazy that like a person who, who, like you used

916
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: to think was just like the annoying. You know, neighbor

917
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: who lives upstairs, like a couple years later is your

918
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: like best trans girlfriend. So I'm like, oh no, that's

919
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of beautiful. It is beautiful. I have like a

920
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: similar but very different story where one of the first

921
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: gay bars I ever went to. I don't know if

922
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: this was T T and T or not, but my

923
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: first week in New York, I was taken to a

924
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: gay bar where I saw my like high school arch nemesis,

925
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: like someone who had bullied me like in this like

926
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: dangerous like gay love triangle through my whole high school career.

927
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing him out at a bar and

928
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god. You know, when you moved

929
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: to New York, you come to like reinvent yourself a

930
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: little bit, if that's not too cliche to say, you

931
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: leave behind whatever you were before New York so you

932
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: can just be your New York self. And so when

933
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I saw him at this bar, remember being like, oh

934
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: my god, like you're just thrown back into the person

935
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: you used to be for the lack of a better

936
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: way of putting it, And I remember he pulled me

937
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: aside and was like, Oh, it's so good to see you. Know,

938
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I'm like so sorry for

939
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: like how I acted all those years ago. It was

940
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: like not it was like this like perfect apology, like

941
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: just apologizing for all this like trauma that he had

942
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: put me through or whatever. And I just remember thinking

943
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: like I don't care, like I don't care about you,

944
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: like you have nothing to do with my life anymore.

945
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: And that is so much. That is so far away

946
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: now and we are like our ships asking in the

947
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: wind in this gay bar and then never I never

948
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: saw him again. Is like we're in our new lives

949
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: and like it felt so great for someone who used

950
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: to torment me to actually like mean nothing in that space.

951
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: You know. I think that there are a lot of

952
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote the most New York moments ever are moments

953
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: where I'm in a bar, or in a club or

954
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: at dinner and I'm sitting there and I think, oh

955
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: my god, I'm at dinner with blah blah blah blah

956
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and like one of them

957
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: is like a celebrity and the other one is like

958
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: someone who have I've idolized online forever, or like I

959
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: remember I used to reblog images that that person took

960
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: or like I like you're you're my idol and you didn't.

961
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: You don't even know how much I stand you, and

962
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: like we're friends now or whatever. Like you get to

963
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: be friends with your heroes here, And I don't really

964
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: mean celebrity heroes. I just mean like the artists that

965
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, you admire and the people that you want

966
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: to be in community with. Yes, but let's be real.

967
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: The realist New York moments are when you cry on

968
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: the subway or see someone's dick on the subway, or

969
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: see someone's shit on the subway. Oh not shit? Yeah,

970
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: oh no, or when you have sex on the subway.

971
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah you haven't. No, I've always wanted to. No. Yeah, Wow, Wow,

972
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: that is that's the real New York Baby New Yeah Que.

973
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams cover of New York Que Lady Gaga's cover

974
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: of New York, New York. Have you ever seen that?

975
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: It's from there's this um Frank Sinatra special that she

976
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: covered New York, New York and it is an incredibly

977
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: iconic performance. I want to see that slide into our

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00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: DMS at like a Virgin for twenty sixty nine to

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Speaker 1: let us know Are you a New Yorker? Are you

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00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: a native New Yorker? What are your very first New

981
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: York stories? And um, you know? Follow us on Instagram,

982
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: follow us individually. I'm your co host Rose Damue. You

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984
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Speaker 1: producer is Phoebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman and

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