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Speaker 1: Whatever supper, Ward Jones jam hang out with my man

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Speaker 1: Andrew Ward. We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all

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Speaker 1: a show called a Hall of Game, a show where

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Speaker 1: we discuss.

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Speaker 2: Boxing, sports, life and entertainment.

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Speaker 3: From RV how much better the neck and you get?

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Speaker 3: Me and Roy don't always agree, but one thing you

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Speaker 3: will get is a Hall of Fame. What the game?

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Speaker 3: What up? Fight? Fans?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of the Hall of Game.

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Speaker 2: I want to welcome in my co host, my main man,

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: ROYD Jones Jr. Say, Dre Roy Rogers, how you doing, brother?

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Speaker 3: Doing good? But how you feeling?

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Speaker 1: Tell me you've seen these fights this weekend? Man, I

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Speaker 1: ain't see all of them. I watched the liberty of

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Speaker 1: some of them, but I ain't watch them all. But

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Speaker 1: I'm with you what you need.

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Speaker 2: But you but you watched enough to know for us

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Speaker 2: to be able to unpack this thing and talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 2: Of course, great fight weekend, Like I said, I love

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Speaker 2: come back. You know the next week after a big weekend,

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you can have a big car and

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Speaker 2: not great fights. And this weekend we had some great fights.

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Speaker 2: The first fight was aero Spence. The return of Aero

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Speaker 2: Spence after three years his fight against Tim Zu in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Aero Spence takes on a dangerous contender in his home

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Speaker 2: country that was intentional. Aerospence wasn't forced to go to Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is something that he decided to do. Jamal Charlow

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Speaker 2: was also supposed to be on the car, did a

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Speaker 2: it comes to Canada or Australia, they don't play about

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Speaker 2: them visas. If you have a you know, former charge

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Speaker 2: or something going on. Bro, it's a hard it's a

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Speaker 2: hard bargain to get into that country. And unfortunately he

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Speaker 2: we got to see, wait and see what's next for

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Speaker 2: him and Stephen Fulton, Scooter more weight issues, another fight

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that and get.

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Speaker 2: Into all things Aero Spence, the actual fight post fight

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the chatter that's been going on.

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Speaker 2: And ZUFA had a great card and a great main

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Speaker 2: event between Edgar Berlanga and Steven Butler, two guys that

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Speaker 2: have similar styles, a lot of punch and power, and

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Speaker 2: at similar places in their careers. It was guaranteed that

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Speaker 2: that fight was not gonna go to distance, and just

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Speaker 2: a much needed win by Edgar Blanga to get off

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Speaker 2: the canvas to get the job done in his backyard

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Speaker 2: at the theater in Madison Square Garden. But before I

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Speaker 2: get into these fvis, Roy Man, I had two great

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Speaker 2: interviews this weekend in New York. One is Joe Testatur,

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Speaker 2: my colleague at ZUFA. I didn't know a lot of

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Speaker 2: the things that Joe Testator had been through and had overcome.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I loved these sitting down.

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Speaker 2: Interviews and these in depth interviews, because you think you

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Speaker 2: know the man until you understand the story. Joe Testator

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Speaker 2: very powerful story, has overcome a lot, and you understand

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Speaker 2: what makes that man tick the way that he does.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for you guys to hear that interview on

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Speaker 2: all the Smoke fight in the near future and Rue

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Speaker 2: I had my old rival.

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Speaker 3: I sat down with Chad Dawson.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to normalize getting these former opponents face to

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Speaker 2: face to unpack these fights, to build up everything that happened,

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Speaker 2: the good, the bad, the ugly.

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Speaker 3: I reached out to Chad, didn't hear nothing back.

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Speaker 2: I figured he wasn't gonna get back, And all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, a couple of weeks ago, I got a message.

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Speaker 2: He said, Man, I'm with it. Give me the date,

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Speaker 2: give me the time, and I'll be there. He showed up.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you everything about the interview, Roy,

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Speaker 2: but your boy shod a few tears in that interview.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I told Chad that I didn' whooped

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Speaker 2: a lot of butt in my day. Man, since I've

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Speaker 2: been a knee high to a grasshopper, a baby, a

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Speaker 3: You know, as a.

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Speaker 2: Pro, I don't really feel a way when I'm done fighting,

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Speaker 2: you know, I move on to the next. But that

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of many fighters, like I respect

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Speaker 3: I was a fan of Chad Dawson. Man.

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Speaker 2: I liked how he got down Roy. You know, he

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Speaker 3: Had some swag with you know how. He got got

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Speaker 2: And I remember when he fought Bernard Hopkins and sitting

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking around. I'm looking at my wife like

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Speaker 2: what I do?

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Speaker 3: Why me?

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Speaker 2: And this man is one hundred and seventy five pounds

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Speaker 2: and he says, I fight hi man one sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: I fight he met a catchway, I'll fight him at

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Speaker 3: It don't matter.

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Speaker 2: And I remember the first feeling I felt was I

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Speaker 2: I called James Prince. I say hey, if he wants.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you want to fight me, but

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Speaker 2: we're gonna hold him to everything that he said. And

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Speaker 2: the fight happened. Those that followed the fight, y'all know

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Speaker 2: what happened. But Roy, that fight affected me, bruh, because

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to fight Chad Dawson.

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Speaker 3: I'm willing to fight Chad Dawson, but that really wasn't man.

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Speaker 2: You was doing your thing and he was at the

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Speaker 2: he confirmed this for me in an interview to get

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Speaker 2: your sight set on me? He said, really about He

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Speaker 2: said that the two weeks before the fight. That's when

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Speaker 2: the promoter starts saying, Ward, war because I just won

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Speaker 3: He said, I let the promoter get in.

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Speaker 2: My ear, man, and and that's why I took that fight.

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Speaker 2: And ro I shed a few tears, bro because everything

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Speaker 2: went downhill for Chad Dawson after that. He thought of

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Speaker 2: round and man, he just he just he never really recovered.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: That situation hurt me, man, like no fight has ever

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Speaker 1: Bad part about it this, man, it's like I understand that,

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Speaker 1: and I do understand exact where you're coming from with that,

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Speaker 1: And the bad part about it is that, like it's

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Speaker 1: number one, you know how you and Ya your other

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Speaker 1: andre were, y'all were like, y'all knew y'all were the

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Speaker 1: same way, yea, yeah, and y'all knew y'all might fight

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Speaker 1: it any time, but y'all keep it gangster, y'all, and

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Speaker 1: nobody never called nobody out.

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Speaker 3: You can catch it, take it easy.

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Speaker 1: But you knew if whatever happened in Super six, it

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Speaker 3: We never talked about it. Never.

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Speaker 1: Y'all never had to talk about that because there's something

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Speaker 3: But if y'all had, y'all had to.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna say is that first, I respect

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Speaker 1: now you know, they Oh, that's my deal, so that's

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Speaker 1: No, bro, that's not how box will work. Come from

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Speaker 1: boxing and not a team sport like that. Bro, we

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Speaker 1: don't get down like that. That's not a new school boxing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they do that, but old school boxing. That was

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Speaker 1: I thought Chad was all right as a light headway

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Speaker 3: But a bigger guy they give people.

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Speaker 1: So I was wondering, why would Chad challenge andre Ward

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Speaker 1: But like he said, the promoter got in his ear.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I want these young fighters to understand.

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Speaker 1: They're not doing it for your longevity. They're not doing

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Speaker 1: that fight, like you said, ruin cha Chad Dowson, he

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Speaker 1: was never the same as that. You understand because what

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Speaker 1: you need to do. I mean, sometimes there are great

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. No, No, I Andre would have later on

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Speaker 1: to say, you know what, since Chad the man that's

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Speaker 1: and fight Chad Dawson. We looked at that a whole

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Speaker 1: different way because now he say, whoa cam Andre do

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Speaker 3: That's the whole different animal.

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Speaker 1: But you're going to challenge a man that's just going

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Speaker 1: to super six them, prove he's the best one sixty

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Speaker 1: eight pounds in the world. You once said that five pound.

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Speaker 1: Common sense tells us it's going part of the weeken

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Speaker 1: you to come to sixty eight. You understand me, So

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Speaker 1: why would you even agregious something like that? You understand,

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Speaker 1: I guess not just a part.

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Speaker 2: Of his reasoning though, part of his reasoning though. One

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't feel so bad.

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Speaker 3: You understand it?

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Speaker 1: Come on, this this is is a sport. It's not death,

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Speaker 3: You do that, but I had to because they won't let.

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Speaker 3: Go do that. You feel me.

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Speaker 3: We boxes, we fighters, ship we want to.

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Speaker 3: That like that. Yeah, it's it's different today.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit different today. But one one thing

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Speaker 2: not here to bully nobody. You know, I really wasn't

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Speaker 3: Not sure I ever called anybody's name.

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Speaker 2: I think when I was young, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: you know about Jeff Lacy. I wouldn't ready for know

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Speaker 2: Jeff Lacey. I had like seven eight fights, but I

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Speaker 3: He was the guy.

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Speaker 2: So I you know, I somebody threw a camera on

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stand on. So if I say your name.

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Speaker 2: This ain't publicity this ain't to try to get get

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Speaker 3: Brother, I mean that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm grateful that I do have that switch, Roy,

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Speaker 2: because that's not a given. Some guys are just just

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Speaker 3: I'm in the ring. Once I saw this, this is

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Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta flip that switch. And

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Speaker 2: I had one of the best camps because I had to.

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Speaker 2: When I told Chad that I got ready brou out

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Speaker 2: of respect, not out of fear. I got ready out

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Speaker 2: of respect because I knew how you could fight, and

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Speaker 2: I think that was probably Roy one of my one

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Speaker 3: Man. I hope you get a chance to check it out.

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Speaker 2: But your boy shed some tears in there, man, and

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Speaker 1: I gotta if you if you was crying like a baby,

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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go see that set. I got

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Speaker 1: to go back and watch. There's no way I cannot

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Speaker 1: go back and watch that. But I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I went back down and did that because I knew

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Speaker 1: it was a clod fight. He gave you a heart attached. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't run the deafer and dodge nothing. You understand me.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Even though I'm not myself right now, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: You understand me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back and going out on my feet, so

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Speaker 1: I can't back the third time I went out, I

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Speaker 3: I didn't go out and.

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Speaker 1: And get I went out to fight in the in

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Speaker 1: I need to prove to myself I still go to

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Speaker 1: My will doing it with fighting this dude that the

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Speaker 3: You understand me. And that's how that went flow exactly.

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Speaker 1: So when you say that, when you say that, it's

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Speaker 3: People don't cherish their word like we used to.

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Speaker 1: Back then, I was a man of my word, even

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Speaker 1: and I'm still a man in my word today. You

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Speaker 1: They bought the right money. You damn right. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get back in shape and we can go get it

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Speaker 1: again right now. I'm not that dude that's ducking nothing.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm always a man of my word.

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Speaker 3: Roy, I believe you. I believe truth. It's the truth.

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Speaker 3: That's who you've always been, That's who you've always been.

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Speaker 2: I want to pivot just a second to the Madison

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Speaker 2: Square Garden cart On Sunday main event Egar Blanga, Steven Butler,

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Speaker 2: but I want to give a shout out to Jalil Hackett,

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Speaker 3: He fought the veteran Sergei derriv A Chenko. Dere A Chenko.

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Speaker 2: They make up the difference with the wisdom and the efficiency,

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00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,359
Speaker 2: and I just man, he was trying. Man, he was

438
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,399
Speaker 2: catching hack it with right hands over the top, and

439
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 2: I would listen in between rounds and the corner was saying.

440
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 3: Man, you land in that right hand, Man, keep on

441
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,520
Speaker 3: and you know.

442
00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,240
Speaker 2: To hack his credit, he took the shot and then

443
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 2: there was times when he made adjustments and he got

444
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,560
Speaker 2: away from the shot. But derrivi Chenko, man, for his

445
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 2: age and the layoffs that he's had, Man, he thought

446
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,480
Speaker 2: as good of a fight as he could. He was

447
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 2: cut from both ives. Didn't even acknowledge the cuts.

448
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,959
Speaker 3: Man. Just just a real fighter.

449
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,520
Speaker 2: So I want to give a shout out to the

450
00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 2: og derevi Chenko man and how he performed.

451
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,840
Speaker 3: But I want to give a shout.

452
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,800
Speaker 2: Out specifically the Hacket because man, he's got a lot

453
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,719
Speaker 2: of potential. Man, he's got a great team behind him

454
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,680
Speaker 2: from DC and BRO. I just want to tell you, man,

455
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 2: you did a great job. You made some good adjustments.

456
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,360
Speaker 2: You gave an honest assessment after the fight of your

457
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,400
Speaker 2: performance of what you needed to work on. You gave

458
00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,120
Speaker 2: yourself an honest grade, man, and you bought.

459
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 3: The right way.

460
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 2: Hackett is a guy roy who he loves to toe

461
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 2: the line and he said it, he's I just love

462
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 2: breaking guys down hacking.

463
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something.

464
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 2: The way you fought early in this fight, you box

465
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 2: and you set the table, and then at a certain

466
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 2: point coach said, now I'm gonna let you go hunt,

467
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 2: and you went to go hunt. You beat there a

468
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 2: chinko in stages. That patience that you showed, the thoughtfulness

469
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 2: and the IQ that you showed, that's what's gonna keep

470
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 2: you around for a long time. You just don't want

471
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 2: to be a bang bang raw raw guy all the time.

472
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 2: You will not laugh. Keep working on the other elements

473
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 2: of your game. Keep deeping in your bag, Keep perfecting

474
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,360
Speaker 2: that jab, keep perfecting it. Setting up your fight game

475
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 2: where hey, I'm gonna box you and give you angles

476
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: and go away. Then I'm gonna jump you and maul

477
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 2: you for the next round or two, and the I'm

478
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: gonna go back to buy. Keep working on your game, hacking,

479
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: because you got a lot there, bro, you can be

480
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: a world champion. Keep working on your game, man. I

481
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 2: just want to shout you out man for the adjustments

482
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 2: you made for the the way you approach this fight,

483
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 2: because if you didn't.

484
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: Approach that fight like that. I don't know derevid Chenko, he.

485
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 2: That crafty, he's that good, and you might have had

486
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 2: it may have been a different fight if you didn't

487
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: fight the way you fought. So shout out the team Hackett,

488
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 2: Shout out the DC Maryland, that whole area, that DMV man.

489
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,160
Speaker 2: Just want to shout you out and that one. Shout

490
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: out Edgar Blanga as well, because he had to have

491
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 2: this one. Roy he had to have this when he

492
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: got stopped in his last fight and then a few

493
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: fights before that he lost to Canelo. Canelo and the

494
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: guy Stephen Butler from Canada, you know, he's been he's

495
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: been calling for the Berlanga fight for a few years now.

496
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: And you know a contender, guy who's you know, he's

497
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: had some some knockout losses, but he moved up to

498
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: one sixty eight, has been a lot sturdier since he

499
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: moved up. And it was it was it was bad

500
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 2: blood between these two, and it's the fight that you

501
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 2: know is not gonna go to distance. It's too much firepower,

502
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: too much punch and power, and Berlanga got dropped at

503
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: the end of the second round. More of a flash knockdown,

504
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: but Edgar Blanga showed some new wrinkle in his game.

505
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: We know you got the power, we know you had

506
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: the knockout streak. But Roy he boxed a lot more,

507
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: he used his jab a lot more, and he set

508
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: the table and he did get into the slug match

509
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: at a certain point. But I appreciate the adjustments he

510
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: made and he ended up stopping Butler in spectacular fashion.

511
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: Men in the seventh round, and I just want to

512
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: shout Berlang out man for putting on a great performance.

513
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: You had the fans on your feet and you showed

514
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 2: some new wrinkles, bro, and you show some things that's

515
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: gonna keep you in the game for a long time.

516
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: Man. I want to get to the main portion of this, man.

517
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 2: I want to get to the big car in Australia

518
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: between Aero Spence and Tim Zuo. I want to start

519
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: off by saying again, Charlo wasn't able to make it

520
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: for a visa situation. And I want you to weigh

521
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: in on this and then I'm gonna come come and

522
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: get my opinion on this. Stephen Folton, Miss Wade Broll.

523
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: He continues to have issues with this weight. He came

524
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: in six and a half pounds over after he had

525
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: a second agreement to go from one thirty to one

526
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: thirty three. The original contract was one thirty. The week

527
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: of the fight he said, can we move it to

528
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: one thirty three, and then he ends up coming in

529
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: ultimately six and a half pounds over. Missed opportunity again,

530
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: missed training camp, you spent money, you sacrificed, long flight

531
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: across the world, and then that's an even longer fight

532
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: coming back. Stephen Folton is leaving millions of dollars on

533
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: the table. He's burning bridges because people are not gonna

534
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: want to take the risk on him. And there's this

535
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 2: window that you have as a fighter to be the

536
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: best you can be, right because of your age or

537
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: where you where you're at in your career, you got

538
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: that window of youth and you know, earning power. And

539
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: the mistake that a lot of fighters make is they

540
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: think that that window's gonna be there as long as

541
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: they wanted to be there. Yep, Roy, what do you

542
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 2: make of Stephen Folton going to Australia and coming in

543
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: six and a half pounds over and not being.

544
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: Able to fight.

545
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question, and this is

546
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: second time doing that though, yes, okay, so second.

547
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.

548
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: So that being said, it's a parent that's time for

549
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: you to either move up and wait or get out

550
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: of box. Because with today's knowledge, with the way they

551
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: do things today, and today's tack, with the UFC guys

552
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: showing you how to do whatever it's necessary to make weight, now,

553
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: there's no way that nobody that's capable of making a

554
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: certain weight class should not be able to make that weight.

555
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: All right, I seen, and I'm gonna just tell you

556
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: the truth. I don't call his name, but I took

557
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds off of a guy in twelve hours overseas

558
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: because he came to me, he asked for the fight.

559
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I gave him the fight. He got to the fight

560
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds over week. So you're not gonna make me

561
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: look bad. We're gonna make weight. We got sixteen hours

562
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: off of him and we made Wait now he got stopped,

563
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: but we made weight. So it's like, if you sign

564
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: a contract and say you're gonna do that, you're obligated

565
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: as a professional to make that weight. If you can't

566
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: make that weight, it's time for you to move up

567
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: to another weight that you can make you understand, because

568
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: either you got to you gotta weigh your options and

569
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: my good enough to fight the next weight up.

570
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: If I'm not, then maybe I shouldn't be fight.

571
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: But it's like to me, you saw what I did

572
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: in my career, weight didn't make no difference going up

573
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: und saying, if you can do it this way, you

574
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: should be to do it the next way up, especially

575
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: if you having a hard time making it you understand.

576
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like Foldon is really letting it destroy

577
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: his own career. If he don't tighten up, he's gonna

578
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: ruin his own career. And he has a great career

579
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: because everybody want to see him still, but you do

580
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: this two times, it gets pretty hard. And if you

581
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: remember my one of my favorite fighters coming up too

582
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: for the left, living showers Edum to stop for Mohammed,

583
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: he was the first person I saw not make weight

584
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: in a fight and his career kind of went down

585
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: here after that. And he only did it once. You

586
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: didn't need it now twice you understand. I mean, so

587
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta look at yourself and you're got

588
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: to check the history of the game, because when people

589
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: see you don't make weight, they feel like you're not

590
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: you're not invested in your own life exactly.

591
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're unreliable.

592
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this to fault, and I say

593
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: this with the with the with the utmost love and respect,

594
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna do it over the airways.

595
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: Bro. That's that that that not.

596
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: Only wasn't a good look, man, but school, you're taking

597
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: money out of your family's mouth and out their pockets, and.

598
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: School you're gonna need that money. Bro.

599
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: In retirement, you're gonna need that money because right now,

600
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what your lifestyle is, and I don't

601
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: want to pretend to know, but you you're gonna try

602
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: to sustain that or or or sustain somewhere around this

603
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: lifestyle that you live in now when the fight checks

604
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: are not coming in. And I understand investments and different

605
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: things like that, but this is your moment to earn

606
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: this money. You're only gonna be this age. You're only

607
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: gonna have this amount of youthfulness right now, at this

608
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: time in your life. Next year you're gonna be a

609
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: little bit older. Next year're gonna be a little bit older.

610
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: You can't afford to miss out on no bags. You

611
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: can't afford to not be disciplined, because to me, it's

612
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: not a weight class issue with Scooter, because I think

613
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: he went up after he just had the first issue.

614
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 3: This is a discipline issue. I've seen the ig when we.

615
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: You know, we got the we got the we got

616
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: the ice, and we hold the chains and we got

617
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: to the fashion.

618
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool, Brea do that.

619
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: I ain't mad at that, But some of that bread

620
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: needs to be spent on having a team around you

621
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: where if you know, man, I got fat boy tendencies

622
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: when I eat stuff, just stick to me, get your

623
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: blood work red to see if there's some issues there

624
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: that you need to address. If you got to have

625
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: a chef with you and say, look, even when I travel,

626
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: I only eat what he puts in front of me,

627
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: and I don't let my weight get past it's a

628
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: certain point. It's that serious because A you want to

629
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: capitalize on the window that you got to make the money.

630
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: But B boxing is hard enough.

631
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: When you're doing what you're supposed to do, when you

632
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: checking all the right boxes. Why would I get into

633
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: a fight and make it harder for me? Or I

634
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: couldn't make weight and you know I was hard to sweat.

635
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: I know it was hard to sweat because you walked

636
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: around too heavy. You didn't start trying to get your

637
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: weight together until you went in the camp, and you

638
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: waited too long, and then you try to crash it off. So, yes,

639
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: your body is saying I don't like that. Your body's

640
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: not gonna respond the right way. But even if you

641
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 2: did make way, your performance wasn't gonna be what it

642
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: was supposed to be. Scooter, Ain't nobody gonna give you nothing, Bruh.

643
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to figure this way situation down and

644
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: have some honest conversations with yourself. You can't just say

645
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm too big for the weight class. You're not being

646
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: disciplined in between fight school, and because of that, it's

647
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: messing up your bag. Them kids can't eat them clothes,

648
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Them kids can ain't that jewelry. Them kids need to

649
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: have that money in the bank, and right now, this

650
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: is your moment. It's more money in the sport of

651
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: boxing than they ever had. Why would you want to

652
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: short change yourself and give these people a reason and

653
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: say we can't pay him. I don't even want to

654
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: put him on a car because he probably not gonna

655
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: fight that's what they're saying right now. Scooter, you probably

656
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: got one more shot man to tell these people. I'm

657
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: gonna show you. And it may not be your next fight.

658
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: They might not back you with the type of money

659
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: that you want the next fight, but you gotta show

660
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: them that you can be a professional and then finish

661
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: your career out the White way, right because Bruh, you're

662
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: gonna need this money, Bro, when you retire. Don't mess

663
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: your money up no more.

664
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: Bruh. I didn't like that for you. School. You're better.

665
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: You've been away from your family, sacrificing and training camp

666
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: to not fight you.

667
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: You did a round trip flight to Australia and didn't

668
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: come home with a bag. You didn't come home with

669
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: that check. Scoot. You better than that, Bruh.

670
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: And I just want to challenge you publicly because your

671
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: situation happened publicly, and I typically will pick up the

672
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: phone on some of these situations, but this one, Bruh man,

673
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed, Bruh. And we expect better from your, Scooter.

674
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: The fighters that you were around, the fighters that rock

675
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: with you, that look up to you, we expect better

676
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: from you.

677
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: Bruh.

678
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Tighten up, bro, so you can finish this thing out

679
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: the way you're supposed to to finish it out. Bro,

680
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: you got to you got man, you a heck of

681
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: a talent. But if you got talent with no discipline, brother,

682
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be everything that you were supposed to

683
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: be and you will regret this one day. Tighten up

684
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: brush so you can get what you're supposed to get

685
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: and be who you're supposed to be.

686
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: Yep, I want to.

687
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Get to the big fight Roy tim zu Aero Spence

688
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: obviously three year layoff. Last fight was Terrence Crawford. We

689
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: all know how that fight went, and some would say,

690
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: why did it take so long Ero for you to

691
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: decide if you wanted to fight. This is not a

692
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: video game, This is not a script event. This is

693
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: real life. And when you go through something like that,

694
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: that type of trauma, that type of first loss, that

695
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: kind of way, it's a lot of soul searching.

696
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: It's a lot of back and forth and waffle and

697
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: do I should I? I don't know.

698
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: You're talking to your family, you're talking to your people,

699
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: you're looking at your kids.

700
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Should I risk it? Right?

701
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: But it's this thing in you that as a competitor

702
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: and have been a competitor.

703
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: For most, if not all, of your life.

704
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: You don't want to go out like that, right, Maybe

705
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: your better mind is saying, bru, just leave it. He

706
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: said his money was good. I don't need to fight,

707
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: but it's something here that people don't understand that is

708
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: gnawing at you, and for better or worse, right or wrong.

709
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: I think this fight.

710
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: With tim Zu was less about Errow re establishing himself

711
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: because even in camp, Earl was like, this may be

712
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: my last fight. I think it was less about Arrow

713
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: making the money. It was more about Errol. This was

714
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: personal for Aero Spins, and once he got the blessing

715
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: of his family, he had a runway to pick up

716
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: that phone called al Hayman and make this fight, and

717
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: in typical Arrow Spins fashion, he didn't.

718
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: Pick it up.

719
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: He said, I could have fought this fight in dias

720
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: or wherever. He said, I wanted to go overseas so

721
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: I didn't have the distractions, and I love to try

722
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: to go take something from somebody in their home country.

723
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: He did that with kill Brook to win his first

724
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: world title, and he said, I'm doing it against a

725
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: real guy. Maybe I should take a tune up. Maybe

726
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: I shouldn't talk to me about this fight.

727
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: Roy.

728
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: You saw what happened, you saw the result, and I'm

729
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: sure you're seeing a lot of the chatter and conversation

730
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: about it. A lot of people were hurt by the performance.

731
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: I was hurt by it, but I understand what my

732
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: brother went through when I understand why he took the fight.

733
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

734
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't pay any attention to the

735
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: chatter because unless you've ever done that before, you don't

736
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about.

737
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: You understand mean, so you.

738
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: End up been in that situation you ain't never done

739
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: it before, or been hand in hands side by side

740
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: with somebody that you really close to that done that,

741
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. So I don't

742
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: look at the chatter at all. Secondly, Earl is who

743
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Early wants to be. Earl did it like Earl wants

744
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: to do it. Earl wanted to prove it. He go

745
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: back and do exactly what he been doing his whole career,

746
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: going and taking stuff from people in their own hometown.

747
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: And if he didn't win it, he still went out

748
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: on his feet, understand mean. So he had a lot

749
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: of things he wanted to prove to himself, understand and

750
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I understood that early on in the game, he just

751
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted to go ahead and make it, make it cool

752
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: with hisself that he can still go over them and

753
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: do what he do and come out of the ring

754
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: on both feet and be satisfied with that. You understand me,

755
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: And I think he did exactly what he wanted to do.

756
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: He didn't get the results that we all thought he

757
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: may have wanted to get, but he got to do

758
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: the results that he wanted to say. Now I can

759
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: rest in peace. I know that you know whatever it

760
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: is it is, but I did it like I wanted

761
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: to do it. Now I can be cool, right. And

762
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: he texted me and asked me once what I thought

763
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: about it. I said, Man, you do what you want

764
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: to do. I said, you don't owe boxing nothing. Boxing

765
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: owes you the opportunity to go out and do whatever

766
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: you want to do in boxing. If you want to

767
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: go fight Tims, you want to go fight whoever. You

768
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: do what you want to do. If you want to

769
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: go do a tune up, you do what you want

770
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: to do. But it's all your business. Because you gave

771
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: boxes so much that boxing should have no problem giving

772
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: you whatever you want back in return. And he wanted

773
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Tim Zoo he got and he got a chance to

774
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: go out find another guy that's actually been active over

775
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the last three years. He hasn't been active, you understand me.

776
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: He for the guy who has been active over the

777
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: last three years now, he hadn't been doing the best,

778
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: but he's been active, and he's a strong guy, a

779
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: formidable guy. And you went to his hometown and challenge him.

780
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: That says a lot about Earl across the world. How

781
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: many guys will do that. And that's why I tell

782
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: people all the time, it's two guys.

783
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: I know.

784
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: The second guy, he made a few decisions that may

785
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: have jeopardized his the way people think about a little bit.

786
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: But to me, he's still gonna always be a champion

787
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: of heart.

788
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: And that's earlier and Devin hated, Devin hated all across

789
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: the water to challenge for his first world title in

790
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: that guy's backyard.

791
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: That's that takes a lot to do that. Guys.

792
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: Most That's what I'm saying. Most guys wouldn't think about that.

793
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: You understand Minster. You got to give credit where credits

794
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: do Certain fighters like Earl like Devin, they get to

795
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: a point where they, hey, they want to prove something,

796
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: and they willing to go out there wait to prove that.

797
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: That's what we don't have enough of in boxing anymore.

798
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent, and I love

799
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: what you said. Aerospince doesn't owe boxing anything.

800
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: He just doesn't.

801
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Though I can understand and empathize with the people that

802
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: were hurt by Ero not being what he once was.

803
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: I understand that because I because I share that and

804
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: that and that those sentiments. You know, I know that

805
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: a guy like Tim Zoo. No disrespect to Tim Zuo,

806
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 2: but a Tim Zuo don't do nothing with no aerospins.

807
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: He just don't, right, And even Tim Zuo, Timsu should

808
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: have stopped Aerospince. If Timsu is gonna be championship caliber,

809
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: he should have stopped Aerospence. Ain't no way a guy

810
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: is off three years and had the last fight that

811
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: he fought and come in and go to distance with

812
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: you and Aerospence with the distance because the craftiness there

813
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: was some things that he was doing. Yes, his balance

814
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: was off. That happens as you get older. That happens

815
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: when you're not in the sport, when you're not in

816
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: the gym in that rhythm when you've had some hard

817
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: fights that happens right, the balance was off.

818
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: You could tell, you know.

819
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: I remember a couple of times that I sparred. Since

820
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: I've been retired and fresh off the couch, I just

821
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: decided I'm gonna go spar and I can remember. It's

822
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: almost like I feel like I was swimming because like

823
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: I'm seeing stuff, but.

824
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm reaching, like don't reach. My brain is

825
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: saying don't reach, but I reach.

826
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: I get touched, and I'm doing some nice stuff. Some

827
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: you know, some certain things still there, but it just

828
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: you just feel like I'm just man, it ain't and

829
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: maybe it would come back if I had a full

830
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: training camp. I don't know, But in that moment, I'm like, boy,

831
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: this feel crazy. This feel crazy cause it's I'm like

832
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm used to having full command, but i feel like

833
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm swimming Roy.

834
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm looking for it. It ain't damn checking

835
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: here him. I'm getting touched.

836
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't get touched with no jazz like that.

837
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: That's what I sensed from Aero, like he was he

838
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: was trying to figure it out and Boyd and rounds

839
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: was going by slow too.

840
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

841
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: I know them rounds was going by slow for him

842
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: because I was sitting in my hotel room in New

843
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: York and they was going by. I'm like, man, it's

844
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: only the fourth round, it's only the sixth round. Dang,

845
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: it's only the seventh round. That's what happens in that situation.

846
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: But Aerol Spencer's heart got him through that fight exactly.

847
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: Aerol Spencer's experience and craftiness got him through that fight.

848
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: The referee wasn't doing them no justice. Yeah, a couple

849
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: of bunches straight, but he's yelling at Arrow you.

850
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Do it again. I'm gonna take a point.

851
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: That's the issues you got to deal with when you

852
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: go overseas and when you go to these other countries.

853
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: That guy wasn't doing aerow no favors. I'm not saying

854
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: he was supposed to doing favorites, but I felt like

855
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: he was doing a bit much. But I give my

856
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: brother credit for making that decision. Amiss all the chatter

857
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: that he shouldn't. I respect him for biting down and

858
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: getting through that fight when I know he felt crazy

859
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: being out that ring and stuff.

860
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: It just wasn't.

861
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Flowing the way that he's used to it flowing. He

862
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: took a good shot, he delivered a couple of good shots.

863
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: I know he hurt Zoo a couple times, and I

864
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: just respect Earl Spence.

865
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 3: You know, he's everything that we wanted fighters. He's everything.

866
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: He's one of the last of the dying breed of

867
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: guys who trained, prepared and was willing to fight anybody.

868
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: I'm not saying for fake, I'm saying for real, Like

869
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: he wanted to fight every top welcherweight. He ended up

870
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: fighting the best well to wait in Terrence Crawford.

871
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: I just respect him, Broy. I just respect Iarol's prince Man.

872
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I love you, Bro, and I appreciate you, and I'm

873
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: not getting caught up in the chatter about all these

874
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: shoties this and that. No, it's just time to go.

875
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: He got that out his system exact and he did

876
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: it his way.

877
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: And even when he.

878
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: And I talked, I'm not gonna share the personal stuff,

879
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: but he would you know what you think, man, Bro,

880
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: you got the right to do what.

881
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: You want to do.

882
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: Who am I to tell you what you should do

883
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: with your life and your career. Same thing with you

884
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: people Roy Roy shouldn't be and you said, look, I'm

885
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: a grown man who'd have made my way in this sport.

886
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: This is for me, so y'all may not like it,

887
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna do what I want to do. And

888
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: I want to ask you that question. I said this

889
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: was personal for Aarrow. You said this was personal for Aarrol.

890
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: There was a period in your career with people are

891
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: Roys your retired Rouyshall retire, but it was some personal

892
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: things that you were battling. There was some personal things

893
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: that you had Joe sights on. What is that battle

894
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: like when people are saying you should be done but

895
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: you're not quite ready yet.

896
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: The first battle is did you tell me when I

897
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: should have started? Did you know what I would accomplished

898
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: when I started with you around?

899
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: When? Yeah? Exactly?

900
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: So if you ain't know all that, how to hear

901
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: you become so smart now to be able to tell

902
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: me when I should stop? If you were that smart

903
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: you told me when I should have started, but you didn't,

904
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: So how do you How do you have the audacity

905
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: to come to me when I need to stop?

906
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: What have you done? You know?

907
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the real thing. Second is man

908
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: like I said, all these years that he gave to boxing.

909
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: Like I told him, you don't own boxing. Nothing boxing

910
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: owes you because you entertained a lot of people throughout

911
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: this whole boxing career of yours, from the Olympics on

912
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: to become a world champion, to become an undisputed champion.

913
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: You entertained a lot of people in this boxing game.

914
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: You have given boxing your whole life, so you don't

915
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: owe boxing. Boxing owes you. However, you choose to go

916
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: out there and do the rest of your career, that's

917
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: all on you, and don't let nobody you what you

918
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: can and can't do, because they don't deserve the right to.

919
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: They didn't tell you before you start. Hey, if you

920
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: go do this, you're gonna make thro an every.

921
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: Team and you go.

922
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: They didn't tell you none of that, So how do

923
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: they get the right now to tell you when you

924
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: should stop? I used to tell nothing about holy Field.

925
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: People was holy FEITL need the hold of fit. How

926
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: you gonna tell holdly Field to stop being holy Field?

927
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Holdly Field been known for having one of the biggest

928
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: hearts in the sport of boxing. Holdi Field for all

929
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: those big guys gave most of those guys anywhere from

930
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: twenty to fifty to sixty pounds and gave him all

931
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: the hell they wanted on fighting.

932
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: That you understand me.

933
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: With a heart like that, who deserves tell him he

934
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: needs to stop fighting? Really, y'all w tell holdly Field that,

935
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: come on, bruh. Nobody deserves the right to tell a

936
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: fighter that goes and puts his whole heart into the sport,

937
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: puts his whole life into the sport. Nobody has the

938
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: right to tell him when it should stop. Y'all didn't

939
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: tell him when it starts going, So how y'all tell

940
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: you when it stopped?

941
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: And I do understand it, though, Roy, I do understand

942
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: it right because we do have family members, We do

943
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: have loved ones that gotta deal with whatever we end

944
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: up being post career.

945
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: They got to deal with that.

946
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: And I think, I think it's a fine line between,

947
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, somebody not telling us something and then somebody

948
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: being honest with us. Because I also don't want no

949
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: yes men around me. I also don't want nobody that's

950
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: just gonna go along with everything that I say, because

951
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: sometimes I can't trust myself when it comes to this box,

952
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: and sometimes that other stuff that you know, that other

953
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: stuff that's made me what I am. That's too much

954
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: of that ain't good. So I do appreciate and respect

955
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: the ones that deserve. Everybody don't have a right to

956
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: speak into your life. I'm saying, inner circle, I do

957
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: understand those people being concerned about us and trying to

958
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: help us to see long term and trying to help

959
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: us with the blind spots because we got tunnel vision.

960
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: When we lock in on certain things, we can be

961
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: very stubborn as fighters and former elite fighters and just

962
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: elite athletes.

963
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: That's what made us great. That's what helped us push

964
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: through the pain.

965
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: That's what helped us to reach heights that people said

966
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: we couldn't reach, or face people that we you know

967
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: on paper, like you, you really want to do that.

968
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: But too much of that can be dangerous.

969
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: So I do appreciate the outside voices, the ones that

970
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: we've deserve to speaking to our lives.

971
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: That's the enner circle. I do appreciate it. If in the circle, yeah,

972
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: but the one that's just running them outside, they ain't

973
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: never did nothing. I don't hear noneing they got to say,

974
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: because what have they done. You understand what can't you

975
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: sell yourself to get started?

976
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: First?

977
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: Because you just started, maybe you'll be able to talk

978
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: somebody be able to talk about you, or or advise

979
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: you to do something like you try to advise me,

980
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: but you haven't done anything, so they can't advise you

981
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: to do nothing. And that's why I don't listen to it. Second,

982
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: I want to say this to I forgot you left

983
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: one thing off, You left one thing off. I got

984
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: to come at you this because trust you me, I

985
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: think about you every time something happens like this. Right

986
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: when AJ went down two times in that first round,

987
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: I said, holy smoke, if this was andre Ward, this

988
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: probably might be over with.

989
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: Man. Hey, I had to jump in this, jump in

990
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: this right now.

991
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Look I said, I said, I said, I said this reward, this.

992
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: Fight might be over with right now now.

993
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: I got to give Kodos to him because he came

994
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: back off those two knights downs and got you out

995
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: of the second round.

996
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: That it was a beautiful thing. But me to start

997
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: think it.

998
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: Man, if this was andre I don't know if he

999
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: got this first round. I don't know if he got

1000
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: this first round now, because this would be something special.

1001
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: So I definitely had to think about you on that.

1002
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: As soon it happened. I said, oh my gosh, I

1003
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: said wow. I said, boy, if this was Andre, this

1004
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: would be a problem right now.

1005
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: You feel me, so you know, I can't say I

1006
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: think that, man. I just had to shit that with

1007
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: you because it come over me. Yeah, I appreciate that.

1008
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: Shout out to Joshua Man.

1009
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 2: You know, man, he may go down, but you're gonna

1010
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: always get up if he can. He got a lot

1011
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: of hard man, and I got a lot of respect

1012
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 2: for him, man, And you know, I want the fary

1013
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: fight to happen. I think it got to happen right now,

1014
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: just giving where they are in their careers. I don't

1015
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: think they both got a long runway like now's the time.

1016
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: It may be a little overdue, but I still want

1017
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: to see it, man. I want to end it on

1018
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: this note with Aero Spence.

1019
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: Man.

1020
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: I heard somebody say that, man, Aerol Spence has survived

1021
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: catastrophes that only God can save you from.

1022
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: Exactly the car accident detached Retina.

1023
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: I told him when I interviewed him, I said, bruh,

1024
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: I said, God got his hand on you, man, And

1025
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: he said, I know. He said, I don't know why

1026
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: I've been through a lot of the things I've been through.

1027
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know why I've been able to

1028
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: overcome the things I've overcome. And I told a reporter

1029
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, is Aerol Spencer Hall of Fame? I

1030
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: said to me he is from because some of the

1031
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: guys that's in there ain't gonna name no names. I

1032
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: look at the resume and it's kind of like, all

1033
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: I know is that this dude fought everybody he could fight,

1034
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: and the people he didn't fight it wasn't because he

1035
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: didn't want to fight him. And Aerol Spence has showed

1036
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: more heart and more willingness and more toughness post car

1037
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: accident than some guys have shown in career. Aerol Spence

1038
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: has shown more heart and more willingness to fight the

1039
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: best and still try to be the best post car

1040
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: accident catastrophic car accident that some have their whole careers.

1041
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna always respect that.

1042
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: He said he gave credit where credit was doing. That's

1043
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: something I that I also respected about Aerospins. He don't

1044
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: make excuses, true fighter, And he said it was a

1045
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: great event.

1046
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: The people treated me well, he.

1047
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: Said, I answered a lot of questions for myself, not

1048
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: the fans, not my opponent. I answered a lot of

1049
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: questions for myself. This was personal for Airspins.

1050
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: He said.

1051
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: Now it's time to go home with my family and

1052
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: start a new life. He said, I've got my faculties. Intact,

1053
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: my money is working for itself, and I'm thankful to

1054
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: leave this sport with my family.

1055
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: By my side.

1056
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: And he talked about how in this in the world

1057
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: and in this era, he said, people are scared to

1058
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: take risks. He said, because they're afraid of being embarrassed.

1059
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: They're afraid of social media, and they afraid of the backlash.

1060
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: He said, I'm not like that.

1061
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: So you can say whatever you want to say about

1062
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Aero's performance and how bad he looked, and this and

1063
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: that and the third he took the risk. Though Aero's

1064
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: career is a metaphor of life. There's times we're gonna

1065
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: hit some some rough waters. It's not in it's not

1066
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: if it's winning how often, but every time Ero persevered,

1067
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: and he went out on his own terms. And we

1068
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: think sometimes going out on your own terms is going

1069
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: out on top with a win. No, it's you having

1070
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: the ability, the faculties, and the wherewithal to say I'm

1071
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: done and I'm better off than I was when I started.

1072
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 2: And I just respect that brother, and nothing but love

1073
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: for me, and nothing but respect for me. Ro I

1074
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: love what you said earlier. You said the aerospence doesn't

1075
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: owe anything to the sport. The sport owes him something.

1076
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: And that's something is just respect and that's it for

1077
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 2: us today on another episode of the Hall of Game,

1078
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Were gona keep bringing that heat one episode at a

1079
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: time on hal again,