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Speaker 1: It's not an attack on democracy. Ukraine was never a democracy, right.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the show. But I mean, you

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Speaker 1: They know that part of it is they know that

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Speaker 1: Right again, I'm comparing it to a car somebody created.

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Speaker 1: That's what natural viruses do. Natural viruses mutate.

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Speaker 1: That's another reason why I don't think it was engineered exactly.

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Speaker 2: Engineer viruses cannot mutate.

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Speaker 1: We don't really have many engineered viruses at all. What

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Speaker 2: What is an engineer virus?

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Speaker 1: An engineered virus would be a virus that you go

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Speaker 2: So you don't. So with that logic, we won't. We

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Speaker 1: But biological warfare has always existed, okay, And the way

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Speaker 1: We've seen examples like that happen in Africa where one

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Speaker 1: I think that the election was an accurate reflection of

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Speaker 1: what the American people wanted. You do, I do, And

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Speaker 1: here's why. The election in twenty twenty was record breaking

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Speaker 1: for lots of reasons. The first thing that's important for

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Speaker 1: all of us to acknowledge is that more people voted

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump in twenty twenty than there were people

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Speaker 1: who voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. So, no

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Speaker 1: matter how chaotic those four years were, more people in

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Speaker 1: America came out and said I want to vote him

447
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Speaker 1: back into office. That's important. But equally important, or more important,

448
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Speaker 1: is that more more people than ever voted Democrats ever.

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Speaker 2: For real, I didn't know that it was.

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Speaker 1: The largest election, the largest turnout of all time. More

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Speaker 1: than the Obama election, which was the largest of all

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Speaker 1: time before that, right, in terms of sheer numbers and

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Speaker 1: new voters. And even still, you saw so many Democrats

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Speaker 1: come out to support the alternate. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that people wanted Biden, but for damn sure there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who did not want Donalds.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right, wow, dangn So what do you say

458
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Speaker 2: to Trump this that continues to say is stolen? Is stolen?

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Speaker 2: I mean, can anyone stop that. We've been We've ordered

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Speaker 2: court like court has dismissed a lot of things. Right,

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Speaker 2: He's been told that the election was not stolen. Of course,

462
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Speaker 2: we know there is some interference in elections all elections,

463
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Speaker 2: is not zero, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't enough to sway the election. And I believe

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Speaker 2: that it's dangers or it could be dangerous. And I'll

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Speaker 2: take you tell you what I'm talking about. I was

467
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Speaker 2: watching the town hall. I don't know if you saw

468
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump town hall on CNN where he spoke

469
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Speaker 2: with one of that one of their people, and it

470
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Speaker 2: was crazy. They even came out seeing in the next day

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Speaker 2: to say with sorry for letting him come up. We

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Speaker 2: shouldn't have gave him a platform because he sat next

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Speaker 2: to that woman, and of course she had an earpiece

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Speaker 2: in so when he said something, they'll feed her that's

475
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Speaker 2: not right, this is actually so she would try to hey,

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Speaker 2: that actually didn't happen, and he would double down and

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Speaker 2: triple down, like we said, like not compromising too much,

478
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Speaker 2: riding on me saying giving in to what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder what really shocked me or what really

480
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Speaker 2: uh had me feeling away was that the crowd was

481
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Speaker 2: clapping like this is almost like a comedy show. I'm like, yo,

482
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Speaker 2: this is much more serious than like some show that

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Speaker 2: we're watching their take and it's almost like entertainment at

484
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Speaker 2: this point, and I don't know how. I think that's

485
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Speaker 2: kind of strange, man.

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Speaker 1: So what is important to understand about politics, Whether you're

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Speaker 1: into politics or not into politics, what's important to understand

488
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Speaker 1: is that politics is a form of entertainment. Wow, it's

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Speaker 1: what it is. That's why they call it a political

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Speaker 1: road show, right, because it is a show. And when

491
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Speaker 1: it comes to entertainment, the real objective behind entertainment. The

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Speaker 1: CIA taught us that human beings normalize into two groups

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Speaker 1: and it's called the eighty twenty rule. Maybe you've heard

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Speaker 1: of it in business or other places. Right, one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent of the population always breaks into two groups. One

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Speaker 1: group has eighty percent, the other group has twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking at business, one hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: people that find your business, eighty percent will never buy

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Speaker 1: from you. Twenty percent will buy from you.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The same thing happens in politics. Of one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: that find you, eighty percent are not going to listen

503
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Speaker 1: to you, not going to believe you, not going to

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Speaker 1: vote for you. But that means twenty percent will. The

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Speaker 1: reason that Trump became such a phenomenon in business and

506
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Speaker 1: in politics is because he kept putting himself in front

507
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Speaker 1: of big audiences. Well, guess what, no matter how many

508
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: people think he's crazy, there will always be the twenty

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Speaker 1: percent that's in the audience that leaves that day believing him. Right.

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Speaker 1: And that's the key to politics. And that's why in

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Speaker 1: the lead up to elections, what do politician what do

512
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Speaker 1: presidential candidates do? They go from city to city in

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Speaker 1: front of big audience, they show giving big shows, right,

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Speaker 1: and in those shows, oftentimes, at that point in the game,

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Speaker 1: the show is full of people waiving signs and clapping right,

516
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Speaker 1: but only twenty percent are convinced. The other eighty percent

517
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Speaker 1: are there waiting to be convinced.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Yes, I mean, damn though I've still I feel

519
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: like it's just it gets. It gets. It takes the validity,

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Speaker 2: It takes the prestige out of the highest office in

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Speaker 2: the land. When we're laughing like this dude to say

522
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: they're laughing, they're joking, it's like, yeah, Trump just killed you.

523
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, but he's talking about election that he's

524
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Speaker 2: saying was stolen, and it's like, to me, it's much

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Speaker 2: more gravity associated with that.

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Speaker 1: You're not wrong, You're not wrong at all. There should

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Speaker 1: be a great deal of gravitas and respect when you're

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Speaker 1: dealing with the person who leads our country. That should happen.

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Speaker 1: But that is not what's happening now because culturally we

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Speaker 1: have let ourselves be overcome by this information age And

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Speaker 1: what what type of information has been the most commonly

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Speaker 1: produced information since the advent of the internet, Not educational

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Speaker 1: content entertainment. So you mean the people we meet on

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Speaker 1: the street, our kids, our family, our friends. What everybody's

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Speaker 1: looking for all the time in a first world country.

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Speaker 1: We're a first world country. We are the richest country

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Speaker 1: in the world.

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Speaker 2: WHOA WHOA hold on? I go by loan all of

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Speaker 2: my interviews with everyone that you love. It's available on

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Speaker 2: patreon dot com. It's up there podcast ad free, as

541
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: well as the show with Just Me, where I talk

542
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: directly to the culture. Plenty more perks. I see you there.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the show.

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Speaker 1: We have the least worries of anybody else. So even

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Speaker 1: with all the concerns that people have, we have less

546
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Speaker 1: worries than any other country in the world, which means

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Speaker 1: we have the most free space.

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Speaker 2: To seek after entertainment and things like that. That's that's

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Speaker 2: so crazy. I know you said the CIA does like

550
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Speaker 2: global global intelligence and the FBI does domestic domestic intelligence.

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Speaker 2: So I want to focus on two people I want

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Speaker 2: to I want to focus on Phara Kahn and Snowdon.

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Speaker 2: How did the CIA get involved with Fara Khan if

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be an FBI problem.

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Speaker 1: So Fara Khan is not a name that's ringing about.

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Speaker 2: Farra Khan is a nation of Islam. Okay, how howse

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Speaker 2: can I explain Para Khan? He's the leader of the

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Speaker 2: Nation of Islam, like he had some dealings with Kadaffi.

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Speaker 2: He had some dealings with and I think that's kind

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Speaker 2: of when the CIA got involved, is that Kadafi offered

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Speaker 2: to give him like some couple of billion dollars. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I want to help help you guys or something, and

563
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: they say, you take that money, you can't come back

564
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Speaker 2: on this soul or something. It was like they gave

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Speaker 2: him an ultimatum. And this was the CI. So you

566
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Speaker 2: don't even know Farakhon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's it's not familiar to me.

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Speaker 1: What was the year? Let me see, Yeah, what was

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Speaker 1: the year? If there was Kadafie money involved, that could.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Yet that's what I was thinking. I would just

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Speaker 2: wanted to ask you from being on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Like Kadafi is definitely one of those names that the

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Speaker 1: way that that wealth was generated, the way that wealth

574
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Speaker 1: has been managed, it's it's blood money. How so, because

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Speaker 1: it's it's stolen money. It's stolen money that was illegally protected, hidden,

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Speaker 1: carried out. It's it's tied to a lot of nefarious

577
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Speaker 1: activity that the United States doesn't want to have floating

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Speaker 1: through its own currency reserves.

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Speaker 2: Does the United States take any money from not so

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Speaker 2: great people?

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, of course it does. Of course it does.

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Speaker 1: But remember there's always a balancing act between between doing

583
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Speaker 1: something that has the shadow of a doubt and doing

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Speaker 1: something that is brazen.

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Speaker 2: But who says what the shadow of a doubt is?

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Speaker 1: That's that's where the politicians that we vote are the

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Speaker 1: ones who decide what risks they're going to take, right,

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: so you know when when. And it's not just the

589
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Speaker 1: United States, and there's multiple countries around the world that

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Speaker 1: don't want to touch any kind of money that's related

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Speaker 1: to or Marcadoski.

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Speaker 2: Wow. And see, I don't know his background, That's why

593
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Speaker 2: I'm asking. I mean, I know his name, I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily know all the things tied to him. I did

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Speaker 2: find an interest in that he reached out to a

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Speaker 2: Pharah Cohn in that time, But him and Fara Khon

597
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Speaker 2: had had from what my understanding is a relationship. Farakhon

598
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Speaker 2: had never did anything, didn't have a record, doesn't have

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Speaker 2: He's very powerful black man, don't he the one did

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Speaker 2: the familiar with the millionaire march. Well, he's the one

601
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Speaker 2: that he was the head of that. So he orchestrated

602
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Speaker 2: that both times that it happened, and so he's he's

603
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Speaker 2: always been kind of that that big voice for black people,

604
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest speakers of all time. But you

605
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Speaker 2: know that to have people following you like that, you

606
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Speaker 2: have to speak well.

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Speaker 1: Right, have to be charismatic, man, you have to be convincing, passionate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's he checks all those box. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think when we talk again we'll probably dive into

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Speaker 2: that a little bit. It were Snowden, Yes, you don't

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Speaker 2: feel like he did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Snowden had the right intention, right, he just did it

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Speaker 1: the wrong way. Like you, he was not the only

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Speaker 1: person at NSA who was uncomfortable with that project. There

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Speaker 1: were multiple people at NSA who had voiced discomfort, displeasure,

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Speaker 1: who had officially filed complaints or reports about that project specifically.

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Speaker 1: But you also have to remember where we were in

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Speaker 1: history at the time. We were trying to root out

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Speaker 1: sleeper cells, terrorists that were living among us that were

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Speaker 1: going to do that We're going to kill thousands of

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Speaker 1: Americans at a time, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's okay, if there's a reason you're saying.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is we have to ask ourselves, do

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Speaker 1: we feel like it's okay for the government to overstep

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Speaker 1: our privacy if it's looking for a threat to us.

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Speaker 1: I am of the opinion that yes. But see, I've

627
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Speaker 1: got nothing to hide. If you if you can protect

628
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Speaker 1: my family by spying on my financial records or my

629
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Speaker 1: phone calls, you're not going to find anything.

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Speaker 2: But see, that sounds good in theory. I'm with you,

631
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Speaker 2: like we do nothing, So I'm in theory that sounds good.

632
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Speaker 2: But that can get slippery? Can that can get very slippery?

633
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Speaker 2: Like you can have a like I can have a child.

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Speaker 2: My son can be going through some god for being

635
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Speaker 2: knock on wood, he could be having maybe some to

636
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Speaker 2: some testing ball cancer. I'll see it that way, and

637
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: I can have pictures of it in my phone to

638
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Speaker 2: be like, man, what the hell? I want to send

639
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Speaker 2: it to my mom, send it to the doctor. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and those pictures can flag something to make me, you know,

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Speaker 2: be It's like, I don't know how slippery that gets.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about long as they're looking for a threat, Okay,

643
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Speaker 2: what's classified a threat? Now we integrate with a Now

644
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: we integrate. Would people be able to use my voice,

645
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Speaker 2: my likeness my face, Like, what is a threat? What

646
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: do we classify threat? Like, I just I don't know.

647
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: Some people draw hard line like no, I'm not government,

648
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Speaker 2: stay out of it. Like and you're saying that security

649
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Speaker 2: versus privacy.

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Speaker 1: Security versus convenience, convenience exactly right, And that's for me,

651
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Speaker 1: that's the calculation that I run everything through. And you're

652
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: exactly right. And the concerns that people have are valid concerns.

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Speaker 1: If I'm talking about you know, I really hate the

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Speaker 1: president or I really hate my congress person, you know,

655
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Speaker 1: somebody should like I hope that guy dies in a

656
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Speaker 1: car accident. You don't want to end up on like

657
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Speaker 1: some FBI hit list because you sent the text message

658
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Speaker 1: about whatever. But the thing is, we have to remember

659
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Speaker 1: that the government has to prioritize threats. So if I

660
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Speaker 1: say I wish my congress person died in a car accident,

661
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Speaker 1: that is one text message out of thousands that I

662
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Speaker 1: send in a day, And most of the ones that

663
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Speaker 1: I send in a day are like, I love you, babe,

664
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Speaker 1: How are the kids doing? You know, what do you

665
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Speaker 1: need for the group?

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Speaker 2: Well, like me getting ready for this interview, you know,

667
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Speaker 2: I dropped down my notepay here CII it is you

668
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Speaker 2: know Kadaffi and China right like that could be if

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Speaker 2: again without contexts, And that's what I'm saying. Sometimes we

670
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Speaker 2: can classify things as threats without contexts.

671
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Speaker 1: And that's what I that's what I find comforting about

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Speaker 1: AI because what AI will do is be able to

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Speaker 1: create immediate context that a human analyst can't do. Tell

674
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Speaker 1: me how so AI will be able to scrub through

675
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Speaker 1: your example, give you a percentage your example of researching

676
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Speaker 1: for me today, right, AI in an hour would scrub

677
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Speaker 1: every episode you've ever done, all of the research on

678
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Speaker 1: this computer. It would follow your IP address to previous computers.

679
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: It would scrub everything, and it would say he is

680
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Speaker 1: high probability, he's investing, he's interviewing a CA officer. That's

681
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Speaker 1: like ninety percent probability point zero zero three percent probability.

682
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Speaker 1: He's planning for a terrorist attack. So you would fall

683
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Speaker 1: on the bottom of a list. That makes sense that

684
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Speaker 1: some terrorists would fall at the top of the list.

685
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Speaker 2: Now without AI, because that's what we're talking about with

686
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Speaker 2: the with them labeling a threat and being able to

687
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Speaker 2: overstep yep. I want to I want to understand your

688
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Speaker 2: thought process behind it. Why why is that? Okay?

689
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Speaker 1: Because without AI, what you end up having is human predictability,

690
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Speaker 1: and humans are predictable.

691
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Speaker 2: So to a certain extent.

692
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Speaker 1: Humans are predictable to a very large extent. But yes,

693
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Speaker 1: there's always a me.

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Speaker 2: So so what was all? Right? Well, there was nothing

695
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Speaker 2: predictable about you being who you are today.

696
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Speaker 1: There there was actually quite a bit of was it.

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Speaker 2: I thought you said mom? I thought you said mom

698
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Speaker 2: wanted you to go. Yep, that was some point you

699
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Speaker 2: broke off.

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Speaker 1: Because CIA hired me. They recruited me because of a

701
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Speaker 1: predictable model. They knew exactly who I was, and then

702
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Speaker 1: all they did is kind of validated.

703
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Speaker 2: Was that? But that was predictable for them, not.

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Speaker 1: For you, correct predictable for them. I said humans are predictable.

705
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Speaker 1: I didn't say that we're predictable for ourselves. Okay, Right,

706
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to like a police officer, this

707
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Speaker 1: is really important for anybody who's concerned about law enforcement

708
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Speaker 1: or lawyers or attorneys or any of that.

709
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Speaker 2: Oh I got to ask you something about that too.

710
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Speaker 1: No problem. So it's really important to understand that that

711
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: law enforcement, they're all in a career, they're trying to

712
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Speaker 1: become successful in their career, just like you're becoming successful

713
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Speaker 1: in your career, and anybody out there is trying to

714
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Speaker 1: become successful in their career. The way that a law

715
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Speaker 1: enforcement professional becomes successful is by enforcing the law, which

716
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Speaker 1: means bringing criminals to justice. So they want to close

717
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Speaker 1: as many cases as they can close in a year

718
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Speaker 1: because at the end of the year, their case history

719
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Speaker 1: gets reviewed and if they did a good job, they

720
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Speaker 1: move up, and if they did a bad job, they don't.

721
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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of inflation in that.

722
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Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is when you you when

723
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Speaker 1: you're trying to get a lot of things done, you're

724
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Speaker 1: always looking for the easiest shortcuts. Yes, the fastest case,

725
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Speaker 1: the simplest case. In many cases, that's why the judicial

726
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Speaker 1: system has found itself not being fair because certain judges

727
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Speaker 1: are gonna lean a certain way.

728
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Speaker 2: We get to that real soon. That's so such a

729
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Speaker 2: good conversation.

730
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Speaker 1: Right, with a certain kind of background, and they're gonna

731
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be slower to mediate a case with a

732
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Speaker 1: different kind of background. So you got to keep that

733
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Speaker 1: in mind with law enforcement. So when it comes to

734
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Speaker 1: they're looking for terrorists, they're not looking for guys cheating

735
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Speaker 1: on their wife or taking pictures of their testicles. I

736
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Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, because they can't close that case.

737
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Speaker 2: But how does pharir con? But but you don't know

738
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Speaker 2: fair con. But there's people that's been on American soil

739
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Speaker 2: that's been of interest of the CIA, right of American people,

740
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Speaker 2: right even like I don't know if Edward is American,

741
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Speaker 2: but of course he was. They looked at him as

742
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Speaker 2: a trader. But I just I'm trying to un understand why.

743
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think you're jaded because you've been

744
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: in the CIA, that you just trust the government like that?

745
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't trust the government. I think there's

746
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Speaker 1: a there is a there's a rule of logic called

747
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Speaker 1: a razor. There's a rule of logic that CIA teaches us,

748
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Speaker 1: and they teach all like elite intelligence types the same razor.

749
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Speaker 1: And that razor is called Handlan's razor. And it says

750
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Speaker 1: that never ascribed to conspiracy, that which can be explained

751
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Speaker 1: through idiocy. That explains our federal government. Brother, Think about

752
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Speaker 1: how much work, intelligence, skill, and loyalty has to go

753
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Speaker 1: into a conspiracy A lot. It's so much easier. We've

754
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Speaker 1: seen some, Yeah, but we know some exist, but most

755
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: do not, right, And we've also.

756
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Speaker 2: And I believe most do not.

757
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Speaker 1: Just for the record, we've seen that idiocy is very

758
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Speaker 1: very common.

759
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's interesting entertainment. You know, with the Internet,

760
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: the tech has just I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's much easier to believe that most people working for

762
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Speaker 1: the governments are just mediocre employees. It's more it's easier

763
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Speaker 1: to believe that than it is to believe that they're

764
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Speaker 1: all super intelligent, super loyal conspiracy types that are lying

765
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Speaker 1: for the American people. Do I believe that there are some? Yes,

766
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Speaker 1: I absolutely believe there are some, but not the majority.

767
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Speaker 2: Of How much involvement does everyone have to have in

768
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Speaker 2: a conspiracy? I don't think it has to be from

769
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Speaker 2: the top to the bottom, right, I think that that

770
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Speaker 2: it could be some small like even with the drug war,

771
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Speaker 2: we can go ahead and get into that with their

772
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Speaker 2: involvement with a guy named Rick Ross, CIA met with

773
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Speaker 2: Rick Ross in Nicaragua, like they had a whole operation.

774
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Speaker 2: The CIA literally was involved with making sure that he

775
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Speaker 2: had a clear path to get that cocaine to la

776
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Speaker 2: And so we have solved in them have their hand

777
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: not necessarily CIA, but we've saw government influence with conspiracies.

778
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Speaker 2: What was said, No, it's no way CIA would have

779
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: been allowing this dude to get on a plane with

780
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Speaker 2: forty kilos of cocaine or four hundred whatever it might

781
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Speaker 2: have been and go through NIICRO people would people have

782
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Speaker 2: died saying that didn't happen, and now they have proof

783
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Speaker 2: that Yo, he was working with the CIA.

784
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Speaker 1: One of the things that remember the CII we talked

785
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Speaker 1: earlier about how it has this element of ethical flexibility.

786
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Speaker 1: It has to because moral or ethical moral and ethical right,

787
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Speaker 1: and it's a fair point, they're not the same thing.

788
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Speaker 1: I use them interchangeably. We call it moral flexibility. What

789
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Speaker 1: it's often interpreted as is ethical flexiblejourney. But you're right,

790
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: there's this element of moral flexibility. And the reason that

791
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: element exists is because when you're trying to carry out

792
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Speaker 1: an operation that you know is part of a larger

793
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: a larger goal, you have to crack eggs along the way. Right.

794
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know the Rick Ross case in detail.

795
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: You have to get in but what I but what

796
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Speaker 1: I will say is if CIA found an opportunity, especially

797
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Speaker 1: if CIA and FBI working together found an opportunity to

798
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Speaker 1: make to take down a larger objective.

799
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Speaker 2: It was all of money play.

800
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Speaker 1: If it was just a money player, it was literally

801
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Speaker 1: a money play. Then I don't I don't have any comment.

802
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: But but but at some point, maybe on an airplane

803
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Speaker 2: or some look into that a little bit, just to

804
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: be like, what happened with this, because if they didn't

805
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Speaker 2: take anyone down, it wasn't like this. It literally was.

806
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Speaker 3: Yo.

807
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Speaker 2: It was in the eighties. Yo, it seems like this

808
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Speaker 2: is an opportunity.

809
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Now.

810
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Speaker 2: I don't know the details of it in particular. I

811
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Speaker 2: got Ross coming on soon, so I'll get into some

812
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: of the conversations He and manhad not one day, maybe

813
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Speaker 2: get y'all to to sit down or something just to

814
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Speaker 2: talk understanding of a very short segment. But yeah, man,

815
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: he had literally see and this was came out in court.

816
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: This just came out in court documents. Movies. I don't

817
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: know if you know Snowfall big series. I think it's

818
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Speaker 2: on FX or something that's based off his movie, I mean,

819
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: off his lifestyle and sold plenty of books. He ended

820
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Speaker 2: up doing time, But I just I mean, and we'll

821
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: get back to the conspiracy thing, but we have saw

822
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Speaker 2: them involved with things that we would say, it's no

823
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Speaker 2: way they would do that.

824
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Speaker 1: Correct, And it's because of that moral flexibility. CIA will

825
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Speaker 1: absolutely get involved in things that are against American law

826
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Speaker 1: because we're granted the authority to work out side of

827
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Speaker 1: American law on foreign soil. We can't work outside of

828
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Speaker 1: the American law on American soil. FBI can, NSA can,

829
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Speaker 1: but CIA can't.

830
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Speaker 2: So when we think about I just lost what I

831
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Speaker 2: was gonna say, and it was so it was good

832
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: because you had just said something that.

833
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Speaker 1: We operate outside of America. We operate outside of American law.

834
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Speaker 1: For what you say right before that that we in

835
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Speaker 1: order for us to to carry out larger operations sometimes

836
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Speaker 1: we have to use this moral Oh okay.

837
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when how do we know when they're insertain

838
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Speaker 2: that to label something a threat like, hey, moral flexibility,

839
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Speaker 2: he's a threat. And I'll tell you why I said that,

840
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Speaker 2: because I know you may not know Phara Khan, the

841
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Speaker 2: Honorable Minister Lewis Phara Khan in particular, but the CIA

842
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: and the Muslim religion, right it even he has he

843
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: has that element as well. And that's a global thing,

844
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: right because even though the Muslims in Afghanistan and the

845
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: Muslims in Nashville. There's a disconnect as to behavior, but

846
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Speaker 2: the ideology somewhere down the line coexists. Do you think

847
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Speaker 2: the CIA looks at religion, in particular the Muslim faith,

848
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Speaker 2: in any kind of threatening way because of his global reach.

849
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Speaker 1: I do not believe. I don't believe that any American

850
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Speaker 1: institution looks at a religion carte blanche and has a

851
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: bias against that religion, because we've seen almost every religion

852
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Speaker 1: get fundamentalized and turned into extremism and turned into violence.

853
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Speaker 1: The American people, the masses, oftentimes confuse Islam with Islamic extremism.

854
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: They don't understand that they're two completely different things. But

855
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Speaker 1: the American public also doesn't understand that there are very

856
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: extremist versions.

857
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Speaker 2: Of Catholoitism exactly.

858
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Speaker 1: And they don't understand that they are very extremist versions

859
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Speaker 1: of Buddhism, right. They don't understand that. They don't they

860
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: don't read about it, they don't hear about it. In

861
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Speaker 1: their worldview, it doesn't exist right the the I've lived

862
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, I've lived in UAE, I've served

863
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: with Jordanians, with Emordis with Saudis, with Pakistanis. Islam is

864
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful religion in a lot of ways, for sure.

865
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Speaker 2: But now we know that but from a CIA perspective,

866
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Speaker 2: from an intelligence perspective, saying, hey, y'all ran into like

867
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Speaker 2: the buildings, this, the ice whatever that's also on the

868
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Speaker 2: same you know, we want to figure out what influence

869
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Speaker 2: in things institutionally.

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Speaker 1: Institutionally, CIA knows that Islam is a beautiful religion, just

871
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Speaker 1: like it knows Buddhism is, just like it knows Catholicism

872
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Speaker 1: is just like it knows Protestantism. It knows it.

873
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Speaker 2: Right.

874
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Speaker 1: What they're interested in is and they do it for

875
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Speaker 1: everybody equally the background, starting to find out if there's

876
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Speaker 1: an connection to the extremist versions of whatever religion you have.

877
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Speaker 2: Wow, So I wonder is that do they look at?

878
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Speaker 2: I mean, because for see, I don't I don't take

879
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: all of the Now I'm an information guy, and I

880
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: have to ignore my emotions. By my emotions. Tell me,

881
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: if you run into a building over here, I'm gonna

882
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: start had to look at people that come from that

883
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: umbrella like I'm gonna have to start paying attention, Like man,

884
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: people hate us, right, And so I know you saying

885
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Speaker 2: they don't, but I'm just like, yo, I don't know

886
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: how they could separate the two, you know, in that way.

887
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: And I want to read this to you about the

888
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: Cracked era. It says, uh, see, how allegedly supported drug

889
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: trafficking networks contributing to the influx of cracked cocaine and

890
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: predominantly black communities zone in significant social and economic consequences.

891
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Speaker 2: So this is like covert operations. And that's what I'm saying,

892
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: is like they was with Ross in that crack era

893
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: when it was like came out of nowhere and it

894
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: was almost it was almost like they weren't bringing the

895
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Speaker 2: cocaine to anywhere but the less fortunate neighborhoods. Right, I'm

896
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Speaker 2: surprised you don't know anything about that.

897
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Speaker 1: Well, it's I mean, first of all, it was in

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Speaker 1: the eighties, so it was before I was at CIA,

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Speaker 1: and then the CIA had a humongous institutional change in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, okay, after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: Right, I would imagine.

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Speaker 1: Prior to two thousand and one, CIA was a very

903
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Speaker 1: small organization, largely white men, largely Ivy League, like, it

904
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Speaker 1: was a very homogeneous, insular group of that was exclusive, right,

905
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Speaker 1: You had to know somebody, to know somebody, to know somebody. Right, Well,

906
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Speaker 1: that's why two thousand and that's why nine to eleven happened.

907
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: Because this insular, homogeneous group of people was too pigheaded

908
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: and narrow sighted to cooperate with FBI to prevent nine

909
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Speaker 1: to eleven.

910
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Speaker 2: Is that why they say it was an inside job.

911
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons that conspiracy exists is because

912
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: the question has been rightfully, so, the question has come out,

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Speaker 1: how did FBI and CIA both have intelligence pointing at

914
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: an attack on nine to eleven and neither of them

915
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: were able to actually prevent it from happening? Right? That's

916
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: that's the big question that pisses everybody off. That's what

917
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: came out of the two thousand and three nine to

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Speaker 1: eleven Commission, And that's why the Senate and the House

919
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: and the President all came together and said, Hey, CIA,

920
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Hey FBI, you've been doing this your own way, and

921
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: your way sucks. So now you're going to do it

922
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: our way, and you're going to increase your hiring, You're

923
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: going to change your systems, change your processes, and now

924
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Speaker 1: we're going to be less focused on how do we

925
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: fight Russia, and we're going to be more focused on

926
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Speaker 1: how do we protect Americans from terrorists and from emerging

927
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: threats around the world. I came into CIA in two

928
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. It had been transforming for the previous

929
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Speaker 1: four years. It really didn't settle out until two thousand

930
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Speaker 1: and nine. And then in twenty ten, President Obama announced

931
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: another big initiative called the Asia Pivot, and we started

932
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Speaker 1: pivoting away from the global war on terrorism and more

933
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Speaker 1: into what's going on in Asia. So you can see

934
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: how the world, like the government isn't a it's not

935
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: a box that just stays the same.

936
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 2: It's always it has to change, Yeah, it has to change.

937
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: What about what?

938
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Speaker 3: What?

939
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Okay? What events took place when you were serving?

940
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Speaker 1: So the big events that really impacted us from two

941
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Speaker 1: thousand and seven to when I left in twenty fourteen.

942
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Speaker 1: The Boston bombing was a big one.

943
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Speaker 2: Wow, right, and it was internal.

944
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Speaker 1: The Boston bombing was inside the United States exactly right.

945
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: That was a massive one that happened.

946
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Speaker 3: Give me some.

947
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: Insight on it. What were I mean, what were you thinking?

948
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Speaker 2: What was your dogs feelings?

949
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I was furious I'm sure many of us were furious, terrified,

950
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: Like it was one of those examples of a lone

951
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: wolf attack that you know, two people carried out on

952
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: their own. The larger the larger guidance they were. They

953
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Speaker 1: were extremists that were converted or that were trained from

954
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: a distance. Right, it was online extremism.

955
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: That was new. All this is new stuff. And then

956
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: I wondered, like, all, right, bomb goes off, boom in

957
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: the middle of the race. Nothings as CIA, you got,

958
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: you don't know anything. Take me through the process of

959
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: how do you like, of course know nothing crazy, but

960
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 2: how do you guys track that back? Even like it's

961
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: just how do you what do you start?

962
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: When you start with the police, right, that's where you start.

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00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: So the bomb went off in Boston, and if you

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00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: recall that, the bomb went off and within I think

965
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: twelve hours, the Boston police had captured both bombers by

966
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: literally chasing them through back.

967
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: And they were, yeah, they were trying to run.

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Speaker 1: So once they captured the two guilty parties, then they

969
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: bring them in and now CIA and FBI can start

970
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: doing what they do. And FBI starts first, FBI starts

971
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: questioning them takes their cell phones. It starts analyzing their

972
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Speaker 1: cell phones. Who are their connections, what are the phone

973
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Speaker 1: calls that they've made in the last twenty four forty

974
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Speaker 1: eight seventy two hours, Which of those phone numbers are

975
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Speaker 1: American phone numbers? And then let's review those phone numbers

976
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Speaker 1: to see who else in America is connecting them. Because

977
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Speaker 1: was the Boston bombing supposed to be just Boston or

978
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Speaker 1: was it the first of what was supposed to be

979
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Speaker 1: multiple We don't really know because FBI did their job

980
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: very well. Right now, any phone numbers at FBI finds

981
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: that are outside of the United States, connect those to CIA,

982
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: because now CIA is going to ask the question, were

983
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Speaker 1: these two people motivated and was this in coordination with

984
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Speaker 1: some extremist group outside of the country. So now we

985
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Speaker 1: start looking who's outside of the country, who's connected to

986
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: these individuals. How can we run this investigation internationally make

987
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: sense so that you can build a more comprehensive picture

988
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: of everything. Right, But it's not it's not a one

989
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: man show. It's very much a combination of skill sets

990
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: and experience sets at multiple levels, from local police to FBI,

991
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: FBI to CIA field operators, technical operators, analytical officers all.

992
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 2: Of us, and I think it was the first time

993
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: that I seen Internet extremists turned to actual like resumeate

994
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: like that, like actually materialized. I've never seen it like

995
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: go from you know, you see people say shit online,

996
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: but this actually turned into something what else? So the

997
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: Boston bombing happened, the rise of ISIS ices what happened

998
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: to ices.

999
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: The entire lifetime, the entire life cycle of ISIS happened.

1000
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: So policies that were put in place for combating organized

1001
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: extremism overseas, right radical Islam overseas, those policies just started

1002
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: to work. Right other countries stopped supporting ISIS efforts to

1003
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: limit and control their ability to recruit new extremists was

1004
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: also effective in Europe and in the United States. The

1005
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: big difference between ISIS and al Qaeda was that al

1006
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: Qaeda had a funding source because they were able to

1007
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: tap into very wealthy Arabs that lived in Saudi Arabia,

1008
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: like some of Bin Laden, So they always had money.

1009
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: You need money to run a giant organization. ISIS never

1010
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: had that ISIS had passion and extremists, It had some.

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00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: What they seemed to be huge It seemed like they.

1012
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: They created a new caliphates, right, if you recall, they

1013
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: created a whole path. But what ended up happening is

1014
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: they created so many enemies during that process. They created

1015
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: enemies out of the terrorist groups because there were terrorist

1016
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: groups trying to operate inside the same area as the caliphate.

1017
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: And then they tried to force the terrorist groups to

1018
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: pay them taxes protection, right, and then they also pissed

1019
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: off the countries themselves, and then they also pissed off

1020
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: the allies for the countries themselves. So they ended up

1021
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: creating themselves out and everybody was working against them. So

1022
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't Trump that ended ISIS, even though it takes

1023
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: credit for it. In many ways, ISIS is still out there.

1024
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: It's just not as powerful as it used to be.

1025
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: And I was reading something about the World Hunger World

1026
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Speaker 2: Food Program that Teliban was like using it to like

1027
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: only give it to its people and no one else

1028
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: can use it, and they use it. Man, I was

1029
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: reading so much stuff to get prepared for this. Even

1030
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: in Ukraine they were saying, like, just wait for the

1031
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: winter months. Something's crazy gonna happen in the winter months

1032
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Speaker 2: where people are going to just start to.

1033
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Speaker 1: Die off and they did, but nobody talks about it.

1034
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Speaker 2: Wow.

1035
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the economists of an international news source out

1036
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Speaker 1: of the UK. I actually just did a fantastic analytical piece.

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Speaker 2: WHOA WHOA hold on I go by loan all of

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Speaker 2: my interviews with everyone that you love. It's available on

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Speaker 2: patreon dot com. It's up their podcast ad free, as

1040
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: well as the show with just Me Why I talk

1041
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Speaker 2: directly to the culture plenty more perks, I see you there.

1042
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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Where they looked at the number of deaths in Europe

1044
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Speaker 1: this winter compared to averages because Prutin's goal in cutting

1045
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: off and making it difficult for power to go to

1046
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: Europe was to disincentivize Europe from supporting Ukraine.

1047
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: Yes, right now.

1048
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Speaker 1: The stories that we've all been told is that there's

1049
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: a surplus of energy, and there's extra energy, and there's

1050
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's plenty of natural gas, and the winter

1051
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Speaker 1: was mild. Anyways, what nobody's talking about is that seventy

1052
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Speaker 1: thousand Europeans, seventy thousand more Europeans died this winter than

1053
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Speaker 1: died last winter.

1054
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Speaker 3: I was reading about that.

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Speaker 1: Now, the total number, the total number of Europeans that

1056
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: died this summer this winter over last winter was like

1057
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety thousand.

1058
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Speaker 3: You know, how is that happening?

1059
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: So there's a mix. So partially, there's a normal mortality rate.

1060
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Speaker 1: People die, right, and we know what that normal mortality

1061
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: rate is because it's calculated every year, So whatever that

1062
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: normal rate is for Europe was baked into that calculation.

1063
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Speaker 1: And then we know that there's an elevated mortality rate

1064
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Speaker 1: because of COVID, because COVID is still out there killing

1065
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Speaker 1: old people and killing people who aremmunal compromised. So we

1066
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Speaker 1: know what COVID deaths look like because we've been tracking

1067
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Speaker 1: those for three years. But when you take out the

1068
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Speaker 1: COVID deaths and you take out the normal mortality rate,

1069
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Speaker 1: there's still a seventy thousand person surplus of dead Europeans.

1070
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Speaker 1: And that, according to the economists, is what they attribute

1071
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Speaker 1: to the energy war that Russia and in Europe are

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Speaker 1: playing right now.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I was That's what I was saying.

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Speaker 3: It's like in war, I think a regular.

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Speaker 2: Just American citizen does not understand all the different facets

1076
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Speaker 2: and elements of war. When it's like, hey, we can

1077
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Speaker 2: go win and at this time, winter's bad all them.

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Speaker 2: If we're at war and winter it's gonna like it's like,

1079
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Speaker 2: it's so much that goes into it.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's deep war theory and war planning is a

1081
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Speaker 1: is a fascinating strategic exercise, and it's an exercise that

1082
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Speaker 1: Putin knows very well because Putin has been a wartime president.

1083
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Speaker 1: He's been I mean, he was the president in twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve to twenty sixteen, I want to say it was,

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Speaker 1: and he went to war in Chechnya. He's been president

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Speaker 1: in Russia since two thousand and twenty twenty eighteen. He's

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Speaker 1: been a president for multiple conflicts, and he is a

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Speaker 1: very brazen conflict based president. He knows how it works.

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Speaker 1: But let's not forget that Russia has a long history

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Speaker 1: of winter warfare. That's how That's what they did to

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Speaker 1: Napoleon back during the Napoleon alt that's what they did

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Speaker 1: during World War Two to the Germans. They understand winter,

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Speaker 1: they understand cold, and they understand how people can't survive

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Speaker 1: in the cold. Yes, and and they make those sacrifices. Right, wow,

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Speaker 1: that is man, I I'm telling you. When I think

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Speaker 1: about that, I just it's it's so much. It's like, man,

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Speaker 1: people just.

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Speaker 2: Think war, we're going to wars, like you don't know

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Speaker 2: how much intel actually goes into that. Man actually goes

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Speaker 2: into that. I wanted to ask you about I have

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Speaker 2: a guy that has a case right now, and well

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, cause we got about fifteen

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Speaker 2: more minutes and we'll get out of here. What the

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Speaker 2: hell was we were just talking about Russia Winter, Russia,

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Speaker 2: Ukraine death, Death's over the winter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, damn, what the hell? Oh you were

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Speaker 3: telling me? You said Boston bombing, Uh, the.

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Speaker 1: Rise of ices, rise of ices and what else we had?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: That was Uh. North Korea nuclear testing was crazy during

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Speaker 1: that whole time too. All development of North Korea. Kim

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Speaker 1: Jong un took power while I was at the Agency,

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Speaker 1: the rise of Kim Jung un and all of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that went along with that, right, remember all of

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Speaker 1: the nuclear weapons development, missile testing, conflict with South Korea.

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Speaker 1: That was when we had all the movies come out.

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Speaker 1: People were afraid of, like a North Korean invasion of

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Speaker 1: the United States. You had Dennis Rodman going to North

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Speaker 1: Korea to try to represent Remember.

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Speaker 2: That was crazy, Like I don't know what he was like.

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Speaker 2: It was How could he even get cool with somebody

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Speaker 2: like that? How does that work?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How did it work well? To a certain extent. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't fault Dennis Rodman because one of the things

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Speaker 1: that we know doesn't work is when you just don't

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Speaker 1: talk to people, that's for sure. And the United States

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Speaker 1: has had this policy where it just won't talk to

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Speaker 1: North Korea, but nothing what established that when North Korea

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Speaker 1: and South when the Korean War was happening, and then

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: the dividing line was created, the demilitarized zone was created.

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Speaker 1: It created South Korea, and in North Korea they're still

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Speaker 1: technically at war. There's just a line that says that

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Speaker 1: we're not going to take the war past this area.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's very similar to probably what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in Ukraine. There will be a demilitarized zone. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that Russia won't take all of Ukraine. Ukraine will not

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Speaker 1: win all of its original borders back that there's going

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Speaker 1: to be because.

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Speaker 3: He won't retreat.

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Speaker 1: He can't.

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Speaker 3: He can't retreat.

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Speaker 1: He can't if he retreats the very area that he's

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Speaker 1: taken over in the Donbas region. That's the region he

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: needs to control to maintain control of their oil resources.

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Speaker 3: And he's all in.

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: And if he's not all in, the next person who

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: takes power will also be all in.

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Speaker 3: Wow, because it's a necessity to have that.

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01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an economic war. People don't like to talk

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: about it, but wars are economic decisions. They're not ideological decisions.

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: To get Americans to up for the army and go

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01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 1: die at war, they're given an ideological line, right, that's

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: the propaganda that gets people to say, you know, my

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01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: think about it, like my life. A soldier at some

1156
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: point believes that their life is best spent dying.

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Speaker 3: For their country as dp.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? Think about how productive

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: a life could be when it's well lived.

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Speaker 2: Goodness to think that the best feel Yeah, dying on

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01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: the Field's that happens because of ideological manipulation, propaganda, empty promises.

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: That takes somebody who has limited, limited opportunities, and it

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: convinces them that, hey, there's this great opportunity that you

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Speaker 1: never thought you had.

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Speaker 3: It's d and that's that's a lot. What do you

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Speaker 3: want to understand for me? Any questions you have for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I'm always curious

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: about is I have I find myself living in a

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Speaker 1: white world. The things I talk about, geopolitics, business, entrepreneurship, wealth,

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Speaker 1: I serve very wealthy clients, the predominantly whites. I don't

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: mind serving white clients. But I know that there are

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Speaker 1: people that I can help. I know there's a community

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Speaker 1: that I can reach. And I don't know what I'm

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: doing wrong or what I'm not doing enough of. It's

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Speaker 1: not you know what I think get a chance to

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01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: reach them. I think it's not you. I think it's

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Speaker 1: people like me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that we're underrepresented in these conversations, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's why I do my best when when I

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Speaker 2: reach to Wogan or I reach to Pat Bev and

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Speaker 2: these people, is because we are. We're so underrepresented in

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Speaker 2: these conversations. That's why my part and my show is

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: more about just talking with people from.

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Speaker 3: All walks of life. Information.

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Speaker 2: Just let's learn something, teach the audience, you know, bridge

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Speaker 2: some gaps.

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Speaker 3: That's just what I'm about.

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Speaker 2: But I think that, like you said, there's a thirst

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Speaker 2: fluward and you guys, you may not identify the thirst,

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Speaker 2: But I do I understand one million percent that there

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01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: is a gap that needs to be bridged because these

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01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: conversations we enjoy the same way, and you can help

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Speaker 2: some of the high clients in this area the same

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Speaker 2: way you help in that area.

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Speaker 3: What would you say is stopping that? What would you

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01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 3: is it just platform?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: What is hindering that?

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what's hindering it, but I do

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01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: know that that One of the things that's a limiting

1202
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: factor for me is that I go where I'm invited

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01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: right now, and a lot of times what happens is

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Speaker 1: the people who host me are also the people who

1205
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: then recommend me to their network. So when I'm hosted by,

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01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, an intelligent bitcoin investor who's Caucasian and I

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01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: and we have a productive conversation or a good podcast episode,

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: or I serve their client needs, they recommend me to

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: their two or three closest spends who are also just like.

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Speaker 3: That, right right, So it's getting out of that box, correct.

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01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited because I'm starting to build more

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: relationships and connect more with with non Caucasian hosts with

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Speaker 1: non Caucasian audiences, and we'll we'll try to grow that out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, I'm telling you, we're gonna make sure

1215
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: that this is our first one, but this will be

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: we want to make this a recurring thing, just to

1217
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: talk topics, talk talk culture, talk society, you know, and

1218
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: just plug you into the audience. Because again, there's a

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: way to have these conversations, you know, there's a way

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Speaker 2: for us to bridge these gaps. And I just won't

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01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: us served. I just want us to be more visible

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01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: in this space. And also you be more visible in

1223
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: our space, right not only you, but doctors and scientists.

1224
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: I need my rap buddies to listen to these kind

1225
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: of conversations. I need my you know, basketball playing buddies

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: and football guys.

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Speaker 3: I need all of us to tune into each other.

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: And I'm probably the only person that could just go

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: out on their ledge like that because they can't take

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01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: my cool card. See that's the thing. A lot of

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: people worry about that in my culture. They worry about

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: if I go too far this way, they may take

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Speaker 2: my cool card.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: Again, I told you earlier, I am the culture for real.

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 2: I come up so I don't look for that validation.

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01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 2: And we were speaking about that there's a I call

1238
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: a disease where our younger brothers think that the people

1239
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 2: that know me will automatically become my customers, and it

1240
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: causes for what we call a c cloud chase. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been involved with any interviews

1242
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 2: with people cloud chase, which is may take your interview,

1243
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: chop it up and put a salacious headline on something

1244
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: to try to get people to view it more. Or

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: that cause for problem in our culture because a lot

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: of the behavior is irrational when it is dealing with emotion.

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: People haven't learned to uh do mental hygiene, and so

1249
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: when someone bumps into you with some disrespect, the way

1250
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: that people react to it is like mm, like what.

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Speaker 3: That was too much for video? Duh? You know, but

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Speaker 3: it's it.

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: They they're irrational in that decision cause all they have

1254
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: is the word and their face and their reputation. They

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: don't have a business to sit back off what they

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: say on the in and that I don't care what

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: they say on the end, and that is more so

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: all I got is what they say about me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's funny that the whole cloud

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: chasing conversation is really interesting to me because you know,

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Speaker 1: one one thing that I would love to help any

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: aspiring influencer, celebrity, uh entertainer. What I would love for

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Speaker 1: them to understand is that all the people who are

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: listening to us, all the people who watch you, they

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: don't like you, right, what they like is whatever the

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: reason is that they're watching that. So take reality television, right.

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: I just finished a reality TV show for History Channel.

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: It'll come out in a couple of weeks. It's pretty cool, dope.

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Speaker 1: But when I sat with the History Channel executives, they

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: were like, Andy, there's three types of people who watch

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Speaker 1: our show. And I was surprised right away because I

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, people watch the History Channel because

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01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: they love the History Show. They were like, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: There's the people who love us and the people who

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01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: love the show. But then there's the people who hate

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: the show, but they want to watch the show so

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: they can talk shit about the show because they hate

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01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: the show and they just want to be able to

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: bitch about the people on Twitter. And then you have

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: all the people who turn it on in the background

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: and don't even pay attention to it because they're cleaning

1282
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: the house or they're doing what now from the history

1283
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: channel point of view, they're like, we don't really care

1284
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: because all three of those people count as a clique,

1285
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: count as a click or a rating or whatever else.

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: So that's the thing when you're when I'm working with

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Speaker 1: white with my Caucasian clients and their influencers or their athletes,

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01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: telling them, look, there's a lot of people subscribe to

1289
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: your Instagram account. A third of them are there because

1290
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: they really love you, another third of them are there

1291
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: because they really hate you, but they still want to

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And a third of them are

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: there because they just had a wild hair out there

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01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: asking they click subscribe one day. Yes, and maybe they're

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: not even checking Instagram any Yes.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we was talking about the legacy YouTube subscribers.

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Speaker 3: And all of that.

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Speaker 2: And even on top of that, there's something that has

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Speaker 2: to happen to turn to turn notoriety into a business.

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Speaker 2: So what I think also is missing is that people

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: don't understand it. There has to be a translation, a

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: transition from these social media platforms from a viewer to

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Speaker 2: a customer, and that transition is why I think people

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Right, everybody that views me as.

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Speaker 3: Not a customer me.

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01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: It's my job to turn some of these people to

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Speaker 2: view me into customers.

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Speaker 1: And then then serve the customer higher exactly.

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Speaker 3: And people don't understand.

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Speaker 2: And I tell my rap buddies all the time, it's

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: like they get so locked in and again with certain

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Speaker 2: interviews and stuff. I understand that, Yo, when it's going

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Speaker 2: on the ground, it ain't gonna get as many likes.

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Speaker 2: But when this conversation lives, it's gonna do the job

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Speaker 2: I needed to do. So some people won't sacrifice what

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Speaker 2: it looks like on Instagram or what it looks like

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Speaker 2: on some of these social media sites in efforts to

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Speaker 2: really build the platform. When I when I take the

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Speaker 2: other approach, like I told you, yo, you build everything

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: off social media or build everything off YouTube in one

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01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: blink of a nine that can vanish. So we can't

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Speaker 2: lay We can't lay down in that, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, because the somebody else controls everything exactly. They control

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: who sees you, who subscribes to you, how often you're

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,879
Speaker 1: presented what you can and can't.

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Speaker 2: Pertactly, and you think about the fact that, hey, what

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Speaker 2: do I do to turn these people into customers?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: And I tell my YouTube people because they be on me, man,

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: drop more, drop more. I'm like, Yo, that's unfetter the

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: people that's paying me, you know, I got to keep

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: them happy. And then if they even see me to

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 2: start doing y'all the same way they do them. I

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: just invalid their purchase. They say, Yo, why are we

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: paying when we can just get it from over there?

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 2: Like no hard feelings, like no, it's just it doesn't make.

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Speaker 3: Sense, you know.

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: And in this business, bro, we gotta figure out and

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01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: tap in the other areas. Some people are not comfortable

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: and wouldn't be comfortable having this conversation right from my background,

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: It's like, what are we gonna talk about?

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01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: It's like, but I kind.

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01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: Of know a little bit about a little bit of everything,

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: so hey, let's chop it up.

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: Then I can learn.

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 2: And that's what I think the audience also appreciates that

1348
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: we learn together.

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01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: Like you.

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: That's why I ask you now what you want to

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: know about culture? About like cause I'm sure your people

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01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: are watching. Maybe they have questions about, hey, yo, man,

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 2: what's up with what's up with that? What does that

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: really mean? Know?

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 3: How did that come to? What's this about? Like?

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: And I think we can learn together I think that's

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: what makes Rogan and pet beb and some of these

1358
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: shows so good is because Yo, you're just curious. You

1359
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: learn on the fly, we're learning together, we're talking about

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: different things. So I really, really truly believe in that.

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Speaker 2: Do you find it hard to turn viewers to customers

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: for you?

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: Thankfully? No?

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Speaker 2: No.

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 1: What I find is that, I mean, I've got above

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: geeking out again, I've got above average engagement rates, conversion rates,

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01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: customer acquisition rates, everything's everything's really strong for me, so good.

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: But what I business wise, I'm less worried about making money.

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: I used to be worried about making money. Right now

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm less worried about making money, and I'm much more

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: interested in how do I expand the impact? How do

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: I reach more people? How do I get more people

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01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: thinking differently? Right, because that's where the real benefit comes.

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01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't I can. The bills are paid and I

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: and being very honest, man, the bills are paid by

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01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: rich white guys. Yeah, let them pay the bills. What

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: I want to know is how do I reach yeah,

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: college students who don't have the money to pay for me?

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: How do I reach inner cities that don't have the

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: money to pay for me. How do I reach and

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,520
Speaker 1: make that impact there? Because guess what, my wealthy Caucasian

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: clients and my wealthy Indian clients, and any wealthy African America,

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: They're all going to be that much prouder of their

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: purchase when they know that I'm also on the real work.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know we're gonna play our part in it.

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, man, it's literally about because I don't

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01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: have many recurring guesses because I don't. I don't A

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01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of people is not interesting enough

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 2: for me to recur you know. It's like, oh, man,

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01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: you did something out there. Let me howh let you

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 2: really quick. But people like you and certain Oohmar Johnson

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 2: and certain people that I'm like, yo, your perspective, we

1393
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: may just call you in this really nearly like something

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: may happen, yo, bro. If whenever you get time, just

1395
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 2: get you back in, you know. And I think that

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01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: that relationship with the audience and the community is going

1397
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: to show that you know a lot of times too.

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01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: And that's what presidents get wrong is they come and

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01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: they mess with it one time, or they come and

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: go to the church or something that they you ain't

1401
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: been up here all in two three years. All of

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: a sudden, you come in and I care so much

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: about y'all and I need y'all vote.

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 3: Like, Bro, We're not dumb, you know we might not.

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: We not dumb, man. So I just think that us

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 2: building this relationship is gonna help. I know it's gonna

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: help with my community, and hopefully we can continue to

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01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 2: do so.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Amen, dude, I would love that. That's been for sure.

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Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate you, man, thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 1: And one day, one of a conversations about reggae music. Brother,

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: there's something about reggae music that just speaks to my soul.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what it is now, it's that man. It's

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: the vibration.

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the vibration.

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01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: Man, It's the vibration. Ain't nothing like it.

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01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 3: It's the vibration. Man.

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Speaker 2: But it's up that podcasting another episode, man, class together.

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Speaker 2: So we want to thank everybody for tuning in.

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Speaker 4: We'll catch out next week.

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Speaker 2: What's going on in your boy big loon. Right now,

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Speaker 2: It's up there podcast. Let's get it Yo? What up

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Speaker 2: this big loom? This is?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Is up there podcast