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Speaker 1: Old Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Executive Dysphonia, a podcast about people who are

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Speaker 2: in executive positions but can't hear well. Right, isn't that

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Speaker 2: what the show we're doing is?

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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here executive disorder.

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Speaker 2: Oh I guess I have Executive Dysphonia.

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Speaker 3: Our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House,

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Speaker 3: the crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm

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Speaker 3: Garrison Davis. That was Robert Evans, also joined by James Stout,

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Speaker 3: with a segment later on by Mia Wong. This episode

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Speaker 3: we are covering the week of March eleventh to March eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: And I was wrong about dysphonia. That's just horseness.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well yeah, that probably are people in the executive

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Speaker 4: branch who who a horse?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, horse and wearing shoes too big for their feet.

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Speaker 3: We have to start by issuing an apology.

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Speaker 2: That's right, a serious apology.

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Speaker 3: We have both failed you the odd send ourselves as

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Speaker 3: an outlet by neglecting to cover a story the way

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Speaker 3: that it deserves to. Last week we reported on the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo wild wings Espresso proteini, that's right, and promised an

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Speaker 3: in depth report on the drink upon delivery this past weekend,

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Speaker 3: which was National Expresso Martini Day. And there I was Sunday,

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Speaker 3: March fifteenth, on my phone googling to find the closest

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Wild Wings when I discovered that the Espressoproteini was

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Speaker 3: in fact only to be served in five cities.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Illinois, Georgia, Texas, and the Sea World location in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 3: And I failed myself and you by not traveling specifically

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Speaker 3: to the Sea World location to try the Espresso Proteini,

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Speaker 3: which would have been the correct choice, That would have

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Speaker 3: been the right to deliver the sort of coverage that

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Speaker 3: you expect out of us and deserve. It's going to

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Speaker 3: take a while to win your trust back, and we

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Speaker 3: understand this, and we are we are hoping to be

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Speaker 3: able to demonstrate that to you in the coming in

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Speaker 3: the coming weeks.

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Speaker 2: Garrett, this isn't all your fault. You know, I knew

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Speaker 2: years ago that we should have moved the entire production

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Speaker 2: team to the Buffalo Wild Wings at SeaWorld. This was

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Speaker 2: a foreseeable mistake. Yeah, you know, Sophie and I are

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Speaker 2: to blame for this as well. Is all I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and we apologize then.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, as a British person in the sea World location

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Speaker 4: in Orlando, Florida is our spiritual home, so that really

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Speaker 4: should have been at the very center of my bee.

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Speaker 2: Just imagine how much more sunburnt you could be every

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Speaker 2: single day we record this podcast, James.

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Speaker 4: You could be I'm wearing a red shirt right now

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Speaker 4: for this, but you could probably never tell if I

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, let's go over some small news ite ofs.

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Speaker 3: Meta is shutting down. It's VR Metaverse Worlds.

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Speaker 4: On June fifteenth, it.

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Speaker 2: Stuck being named Metah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Horizon. Worlds continued to exist as a

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Speaker 3: mobile phone only application. The metaverse portion is going to

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Speaker 3: be sunseted. Like I said on the fifteenth of June.

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Speaker 4: I'll be on there in June fourteenth, thrown up to

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Speaker 4: till midnight. Just it's enjoying my final moments of beauty.

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Speaker 4: Is there a SeaWorld Orlando that I can visit in

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Speaker 4: the Metaverse? I bet there was too soon, James, too soon.

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Speaker 4: In the United District of Illinois, Evanston Mayor, Daniel Biss

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Speaker 4: beat Kat Abagazzali and Laura Fine. This one over thirty

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Speaker 4: five thousand votes. Cat won over thirty one thousand votes

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Speaker 4: and find the APAC back to candidate to got twenty

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Speaker 2: a really impressive first campaign from Kat, who's a friend

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Speaker 2: And yeah that's politics baby under the next thing, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Columbia student Laka Cordella was released from ice custody after

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Speaker 3: over a year in detention after government lawyers declined to

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Speaker 3: appeal a judge's third release order. Her name was one

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Speaker 3: of the four on the list that Marmon Donnie gave

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Speaker 4: Cuba is facing another blackout amidst its aging infrastructure in

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Speaker 4: Also checking in on the show shields the Americas, which

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Speaker 4: been confirmed that the bomb in Colombian territory belongs to

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Speaker 4: the Ecuadorian Army. The investigation continues and a diplomatic protest

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Speaker 4: note will be sent. So yeah, that's Ecuador playing with

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Speaker 4: fire there. Yeah, finally PBS is reporting today. Then an

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Speaker 4: the terms that have been offered by the White House.

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Speaker 4: So the first one would be the expansion in the

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Speaker 4: use of body worn cameras by DHS law enforcement, and

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Speaker 4: they will increase congressional oversight by requiring retention of body

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Speaker 4: worn camera footage. The next one they would limit civil

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Speaker 4: immigration enforcement at certain sensitive locations. They go on to

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Speaker 4: say sensitive locations include places like hospitals and schools, which

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Speaker 4: is current practice. There were other places that were considered

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Speaker 4: sensitive locations previously, not to be churches, right, But that's

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Speaker 4: not a definitive list, and I don't does it mean

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Speaker 4: they will return to the old senstive places doctrine. It's

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Speaker 4: a little unclear. Yeah. They talk again about increasing congressional oversight,

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Speaker 4: Spectro General of DHS. They talk about visible officer identification

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Speaker 4: and the administration would require officers to clearly verbalize their

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Speaker 4: then finally, they will adhere to existing practices of law

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Speaker 4: and practice of not deporting US citizens. And then they

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Speaker 4: go and say they only detain them of a crime

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Speaker 4: has taken place. Some of these appear like concessions, but

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Speaker 4: trust them. They've always got like even the sensitive places

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Speaker 4: for instance, it was suggested very shortly after Alex Pretty

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Speaker 4: none of this matters, and like it's still going to

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Speaker 4: we should move on talking of DHS, Let's talk about

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Speaker 4: Friend of the Podcast, Gregory Bovino.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Greg, Oh, Greg Gregy b.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been a frequent frequent call zone all across

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Speaker 4: the cool Zone universe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, friend of the Pod. But no, nothing Gold can

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Speaker 4: Nope, and sadly Greg cannot stay at his job. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Even before Trump took office, he was talking about retiring

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's this is not.

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Speaker 2: Like super weird, but the timing of it is earlier

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the fact that he he for instance said

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Speaker 4: Pretty was planning to quote massacre agents. We have seen

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Speaker 4: He's currently the chief patrol agent of the El Centro sector. Previously,

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Speaker 4: That he was removed from that job in late January.

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Speaker 4: He gave an exclusive interview to bright Bot News. But

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Speaker 4: So I'm guessing that's why saying quote, watching these agents

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Speaker 4: He will be retiring just a few days after his

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Speaker 4: fifty sixth birthday. The agency's mandatory requirement ages fifty seven,

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Speaker 4: But at fifty five, with thirty years of service, he

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Oh yeah, yeah, he usually does, unless they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because previously, right, like previously, border patrol agents were

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Speaker 4: I do feel like this, plus Gnome, plus the stuff

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Speaker 4: But it's clearly as we are looking towards the midterms,

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Speaker 3: And there's movement on this, and it shows that these

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Speaker 3: Like what's happened in Minneapolis for those for those weeks

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like like border patrol and ice went to Minneapolis

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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to talk a little bit about something

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Speaker 2: a deep sense of foreboding reading this article. It's going

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Speaker 2: to sound like this is another piece of kind of

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Speaker 2: which is poly market our gamble on everything happening in

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Speaker 2: the world app that apparently the world needed for some reason.

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Speaker 2: So on Tuesday, March tenth, twenty twenty six, as hostilities

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Speaker 2: continued between Iran and Israel, a ballistic missile got past

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Speaker 2: Israel's defense systems and landed in near the city of

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Speaker 2: a journalist named Immanuel fabian oh Ye, who wrote with

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Speaker 2: The obvious reason why is that people that day on

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Speaker 2: So that's why fourteen million dollars was in the air.

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Speaker 2: He initially ignores these weird emails, and they start getting

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Speaker 2: And after the weekend he starts getting messages like you

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Speaker 4: That's already easer if I've ever seen one.

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Speaker 2: Like there's a bunch of shit like this. Someone said,

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Speaker 3: Like this is insane, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: It's inevitable if you think about how polymarket works, right

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Speaker 4: So that's cool.

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Speaker 2: First response is just someone saying, drink your way through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone else says this seems awful, but I guess

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Speaker 4: Get on that passion.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so yeah, here's some ads. You build the animals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, lucky you. First you want to talk about the

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Speaker 4: That's a temporary protected status pertaining to Syria and Haiti

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about the prairie Land trial. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: last week. So last week, the Trump administration got their

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Speaker 3: the total number of federal defendants to nine. This case

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Speaker 3: A week into the trial, US District Court Judge Mark

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Speaker 3: let's get into this action and the role of Antifa

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Speaker 3: Some of the defendants attended a daytime protest outside the

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Speaker 3: TIFA cell. The indictment describes Antifa as a quote militant

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Speaker 3: enterprise made up of networks of individuals and small groups

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Speaker 3: primarily ascribing to a revolutionary, anarchist or autonomous Marxist ideology

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Speaker 3: which explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States government,

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Speaker 3: law enforcement authorities, and the system of law on Prosecution

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Speaker 3: argued that this cell was linked through a triple ven

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Speaker 3: diagram of the Socialist Rifle Association, the John Brown Gun Club,

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Speaker 3: and the Emma Goldman Book Club, which is a local

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Speaker 3: Zene Destro group that also put on community events. Prosecution

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Speaker 3: said that this ven diagram converged on quote unquote direct

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Speaker 3: militant action. The government called on David Kyle Sheeter as

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Speaker 3: an expert witness to testify about Antifa. Cheter's a member

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Speaker 3: of the Center for Security Policy, an SPLC designated hate group.

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Speaker 3: Defense tried to object to this witness's expertise, but the

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Speaker 3: judge informed the defense that they missed the deadline for

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Speaker 3: such objections, which would have been in a pre trial motion.

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Speaker 3: Much of this case was spent arguing over whether the

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Speaker 3: defendants were quote unquote antifa, what that even means, and

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Speaker 3: if it's relevant to the charges. According to Prairie Land,

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Speaker 3: support Committee court notes. Judge Pittman asked the prosecution, quote

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Speaker 3: is it necessary to prove this stuff about Antifa? The

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Speaker 3: prosecution responded that Antifa ideology, particularly black Block, was how

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Speaker 3: the group operated. The judge pressed, whether it's Antifa or

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Speaker 3: the Methodist Women's Auxiliary, why does it matter? The prosecution

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Speaker 3: argued they took direct action against the ice facility. The

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Speaker 3: prosecution argued black Block and Antifa ideology were central to

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Speaker 3: how the alleged attack was carried out.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 3: The government described black Block for the purposes of this

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Speaker 3: case as quote dark clothing with head and face coverings

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Speaker 3: that concealed their identities, designed to hide each individual's identity,

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Speaker 3: but also aid in a bet those members engaged in

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Speaker 3: illegal acts by making members indistinguishable from one another to

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Speaker 3: law enforcement. Now, all of this raises the question whether

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Speaker 3: this prosecution is against the defendant's political ideology or the

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Speaker 3: specific criminal acts of throwing fireworks or shooting at a

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Speaker 3: police officer, rather than being convicted of being members of

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Speaker 3: Antifa the terrorist group, something that still doesn't really have

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Speaker 3: legal precedent. Prosecutors argued that the Antifa ideology, left wing

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Speaker 3: anti authoritarianism, played a role in inspiring defendants formed the

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Speaker 3: basis of political affinity that brought the collection of individuals

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Speaker 3: together and relates to a collection of security practices, subcultural practices,

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Speaker 3: and associated tactics which were employed before, during, and after

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Speaker 3: the criminal acts related to the Noise Demo protest. There's

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Speaker 3: been a lot of reporting on people being convicted for

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Speaker 3: possessing zines. These are short political pamphlets, usually with some

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Speaker 3: kind of radical political ideology. There's a lot of anarchist

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Speaker 3: zines out there now. Zines did play a role in

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Speaker 3: this trial, a two part role. Prosecution argued that the

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Speaker 3: presence of insurrectionary zines is indicative of an alignment with Antifa,

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Speaker 3: even if possession of these zines itself is not a crime.

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Speaker 3: The other relevancy of zines to this case relates to

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Speaker 3: the concealing documents charges against Daniel Ronaldo Sanchez Estrada and

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Speaker 3: his wife Marcela Roeda, based on transporting a box of

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Speaker 3: political zines from his wife's house to a friend's house

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Speaker 3: in dent In, Texas. The government claimed that Rieda called

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Speaker 3: Sanchez Estrada from jail on July sixth, instructing him to

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Speaker 3: conceal evidence by telling her husband to tow her vehicle,

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Speaker 3: which was at the action staging site. Quote toe it.

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Speaker 3: My phone is in the back. Do what you got

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Speaker 3: to do. Just toe it unquote. The defense claimed that

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Speaker 3: she was worried about her car being repoed Centre's Estrada

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Speaker 3: never got to the car or the phone, but Raeda

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Speaker 3: also said, quote move whatever you need to move in

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Speaker 3: the house unquote. Sanchacestrada mentioned already being at the house

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Speaker 3: and replied, we're good quote unquote, in reference to moving

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Speaker 3: stuff from the house. Prosecution argued this meant moving evidence.

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Speaker 3: Defense noted that Raeda was talking about her pets at

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Speaker 3: the time. According to support committee notes, Sanchizstrada and his wife,

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Speaker 3: Rida were found guilty of conspiracy to conceal documents and

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Speaker 3: other objects that would implicate Reeda in the riot and

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Speaker 3: shooting at the Prairie Land Facility. Now Nine of the counts,

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Speaker 3: count one, two, four, and five through ten cited Pinkerton versus.

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Speaker 3: United States, nineteen forty six. The judge explained to the

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Speaker 3: jury that a defendant can be criminally liable for the

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Speaker 3: offenses committed by a another co conspirator if the offense

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Speaker 3: was quote reasonably foreseeable and committed in furtherance of the

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Speaker 3: conspiracy unquote. From very early on in the trial, prosecution

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Speaker 3: argued that song firing on the officers was quote unquote

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Speaker 3: reasonably foreseeable based on the planning of the protest and

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Speaker 3: previous statements made by Song. The jury found all defendants

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Speaker 3: charged guilty of counts one, two, three, and four that's riot,

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Speaker 3: material support, terrorists, and explosive charges, but did not find

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Speaker 3: other defendants besides Song, guilty of attempted murder or discharging

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Speaker 3: a firearm using this Pinkerton co conspirator liability. Lastly, let's

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Speaker 3: discuss two charges which now could carry worrying potential to

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Speaker 3: be used against protesters in the future based on this

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Speaker 3: case's precedent. First conspiracy to use and carry an explosive

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Speaker 3: and using and carrying an explosive during a riot. The

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00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: only explosives used were fireworks, and even the judge confirmed

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Speaker 3: in this case that it was established that the fireworks

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00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: caused no damage to the ice facility. Yet Stephen Brenneman

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Speaker 3: and ats explosives a special agent testified that fireworks still

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Speaker 3: meet the statutory definition of explosives under eighteen USC. Section

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Speaker 3: eight four four IJ because they contain gunpowder as defined

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Speaker 3: in the statute. Me and Robert have been to and

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Speaker 3: reported on a fourth of July protest also in front

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Speaker 3: of a government building back in twenty twenty, where people

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Speaker 3: launched a lot of fireworks up at that federal courthouse.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fireworks and other places.

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Speaker 3: And this was a very similar event with the launching

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Speaker 3: of fireworks at federal property, which now under this president

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00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: could be charged as a crime. Finally, let's talk about

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Speaker 3: providing material support to terrorists. That's eighteen Usc. Two three

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Speaker 3: three nine. This statute has two sections. One relates to

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Speaker 3: material support provided to a designated foreign terrorist organization. This

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Speaker 3: is not what the defendants were charged under. They're not

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Speaker 3: saying that Antifa qualifies as one of these designated foreign

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Speaker 3: terrorist organizations. That's not what's being argued here. The defendants

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Speaker 3: were charged under Section A, alleging they provided and attempted

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Speaker 3: to provide material support and resources including property that can

548
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: be money, services, training, communications, equipment like walkie talkies, weapons, explosives,

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Speaker 3: personnel including themselves, and transportation, knowing and intending that they

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Speaker 3: were to be used in preparation for and in carrying

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Speaker 3: out an offence identified as a federal crime of terrorism

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Speaker 3: or in carrying out the concealment of an escape from

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Speaker 3: set offense. The statute lists at least twenty eight possible

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Speaker 3: terrorism offenses. Relevant to this case are three eighteen Usc.

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Speaker 3: Eight four to four f It's maliciously attempting to damage

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Speaker 3: government property by means of fire or an explosive fireworks

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00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: count eighteen Usc. One three sixty one, willful depredation against

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Speaker 3: any property of the United States exceeding one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: This is property damaged by other means exceeding that one

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars threshold, and eighteen Usc. One one four killing

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Speaker 3: or attempting to kill any officer or employee of the

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Speaker 3: United States. The government accused the defendants of providing material

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Speaker 3: support to terrorists in these three different ways, but to convict,

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Speaker 3: the jury only had to decide there was proof beyond

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Speaker 3: reasonable doubt on one of these ways. They didn't need

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Speaker 3: all three.

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Speaker 4: To quote.

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Speaker 3: The jury instructions quote if a defendant's speech, expression, or

569
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Speaker 3: associations were made with intent to knowingly provide material support

570
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Speaker 3: or resources to be used to prepare for or carry

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Speaker 3: out a violation of federal law. Or to carry out

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00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: the concealment of an escape from such violation, then the

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Speaker 3: First Amendment would not provide a defense to that conduct unquote.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin's song now faces a minimum penalty of twenty years

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Speaker 3: and a maximum of life imprisonment. Other defendants at Prairie

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Speaker 3: Land to face sentences ranging from a minimum of ten

577
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Speaker 3: years to up to sixty years in federal prison, and

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Speaker 3: the husband convicted of concealing documents faces up to forty

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Speaker 3: years in federal prison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a very bleak case and I don't

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Speaker 2: really have much to add. It's very sad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, and it's worth understanding the specific way they're

583
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Speaker 3: using this material support statute. Yeah, just establishing someone is

584
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: a member of quote unquote Antifa is not really what

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Speaker 3: they're going after. But they're using Antifa as this way

586
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 3: to link the defendants through this ideological unity to show

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Speaker 3: that there's a conspiracy, some kind of like political conspiracy

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: then could tied to offenses that are terrorism, like damaging

589
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: government property with the intent to influence or intimidate government policy. Right,

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Speaker 3: That's that's the sort of framing that was used in

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Speaker 3: the guilty Please for some other former defendants of this case,

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Speaker 3: and that's what the government is trying to argue. Here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go on a break and return for one

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Speaker 3: final segment touching on the economy and.

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Speaker 5: Iran as Brocky jazz Bod sarryl as Locking jaz Bond.

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Speaker 7: Let's check in with the Strait of Frameuse, where things

597
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Speaker 7: are going extremely poorly for the US, Israel and every

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Speaker 7: country in the world that relies on oil and liquefied

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Speaker 7: natural gas, as well as helium fertilizer and a whole bunch

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Speaker 7: of other exports. All attempts to actually open the strait

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Speaker 7: have failed. Now, Iran has still been shipping a decent

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Speaker 7: amount of oil out to some extent, They've been able

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Speaker 7: to send their own tankers through and the US and

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Speaker 7: Israel have not attacked them thus far. Now there has

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Speaker 7: been some developments in terms of attempts to open the strait.

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Speaker 7: Israel claimed they would help reopened the strait. We also

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Speaker 7: got a report in Reuters that Britain, France, Germany, Italy,

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Speaker 7: the Netherlands and Japan have agreed to help open the strait.

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Speaker 7: This is a kind of weird group of countries. It

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Speaker 7: is the G seven, which is the good group of seven,

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Speaker 7: which is a very sort of influential group of American allies.

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Speaker 7: But it's the G seven minus Canada with the Netherlands

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Speaker 7: in its place, which is sort of odd. Now, this

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Speaker 7: is not going to do anything to actually open the straits.

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Speaker 7: There are two reasons for this. One is that none

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Speaker 7: of these countries have actually committed to do anything other

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Speaker 7: than quote, to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe

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Speaker 7: passage through the Strait and start quote preparatory planning, which

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Speaker 7: means absolutely nothing. And the second reason is that if

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Speaker 7: all of these countries, you know, put every single naval

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Speaker 7: asset at the disposal for some reason, to put all

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Speaker 7: of them in the street and four news, it wouldn't

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Speaker 7: do anything to actually open the strait. There's a good

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Speaker 7: piece and defector about this called Trump to World, Please

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Speaker 7: help Me unshoot my own leg off, where the author

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Speaker 7: Albert Burneco points out, and I think this is a

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Speaker 7: very useful way of understanding the problem here that these

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Speaker 7: oil tankers are the size of skyscrapers. They're not getting

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Speaker 7: oil takers do the straight as long as a Runlet's

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Speaker 7: do this. Every week I say this, and every week

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Speaker 7: a bunch of people go, oh, they're gonna open the

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Speaker 7: straight ooh do do do?

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Speaker 4: There's all these pre cycles, and.

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Speaker 7: Like the stock market, oil prices go down and the

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Speaker 7: stock market goes up, and then everyone collectively realizes it's

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Speaker 7: not true, and then the herd animals go back to

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Speaker 7: raising the stock prices. So this leaves us in the

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Speaker 7: same situation we were before, except everything has gotten significantly

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Speaker 7: worse because on Wednesday, Israel hit the largest natural gas

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Speaker 7: field in the world when they attacked Iran's South Pars

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Speaker 7: gas field. Now, as political points out, these are the

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Speaker 7: fields that fueled Iran's domestic energy grate, which means any

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Speaker 7: hit to them is extremely painful because it means that

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Speaker 7: people lose like heat and power. Now, Trump did very

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Speaker 7: quickly make an extremely funny post that is sadly too

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Speaker 7: long to read here begging Iron not to attack Cotter

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Speaker 7: or saying the US didn't know anything about it and

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Speaker 7: that Cotter didn't have anything to do with the strike.

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Speaker 7: There's been a bunch of contradictory information. Netanyahu has claimed

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Speaker 7: publicly now that the US didn't know anything about the

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Speaker 7: strike in Israel unilaterally. There's also been reports that the

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Speaker 7: US knew it was going to happen this whole The

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Speaker 7: US didn't know anything about it. Please don't hit Cotter.

654
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Speaker 7: Seems to be a kind of pr strategy on their part.

655
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Speaker 7: It didn't work. Iran ignored it and retaliated on Thursday

656
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Speaker 7: by hitting Cotter's massive liquid natural gas processing facility. This

657
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 7: is one of the largest facilities in the world for

658
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Speaker 7: liquid natural gas, of which Catter is one of the

659
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Speaker 7: world's largest suppliers. I think they're the second largest of

660
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Speaker 7: liquid natural gas. I'm going to read this from Brouiters

661
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Speaker 7: because this is what the straight laced analysts are saying now. Quote,

662
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Speaker 7: we are now well on the road to the doomsday

663
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Speaker 7: gas crisis scenario, said Saul Kavona, can energy analyst at

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Speaker 7: MST Financial. Even once the war ends, the disruption to

665
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Speaker 7: liquid natural gas supply could last for months or even years.

666
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Speaker 7: Raiders got some statements from Catter's State natural gas firm

667
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Speaker 7: saying that they had lost seventeen percent of their total

668
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 7: export capacity and that was destroyed for three to five years.

669
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Speaker 7: That is catastrophic for significant parts of the economy worldwide.

670
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Speaker 7: As we are going to talk about in a second,

671
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Speaker 7: all of this is also happening in the context of

672
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Speaker 7: Trump's threats to destroy carg Islands, which is where ninety

673
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Speaker 7: percent of Iran's oil imports flow through, which would likewise

674
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Speaker 7: be absolutely catastrophic for the Iranian economy because it would

675
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Speaker 7: take a significant amount of time to repair. However, Comma,

676
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 7: these are all kind of empty threats. Well, when I

677
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 7: say empty threats, I don't mean that the US or

678
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 7: Israel won't do it. I mean that it doesn't solve

679
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 7: the problem. Because the problem with any threat you can

680
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 7: make against Iran is like you already killed the Iyatola,

681
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 7: Like what else are you going to do? Right, you

682
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 7: can completely destroy Iran's economic capacity for a significant period

683
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Speaker 7: of time. But if you do that, then the Iranian

684
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Speaker 7: government is still just going to not open the strait. Right,

685
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 7: the more you attack them, the more incentive they have

686
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Speaker 7: to continue to retaliate. And that's what's going to happen

687
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Speaker 7: if you continue this campaign, which it seems like the

688
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 7: US and Israel are determined to do. They're just holding

689
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 7: all this talk about like revenger to do phase of

690
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 7: the war, and the war is going to now last

691
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 7: like several months longer. And again, the problem here is

692
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Speaker 7: that the more that you attack critical infrastructure inside Iran,

693
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Speaker 7: the more that the Runian government gives less of a

694
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 7: shit about again destroying significant portions of the world's natural

695
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 7: gas supply, or hitting more oil facilities or you know,

696
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Speaker 7: and this is the one that I really haven't seen

697
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Speaker 7: any talk about, but is a thing that Iran could

698
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 7: do if they decided that, you know, this is like

699
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 7: the end for our people. Is starting to hit desalinization

700
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Speaker 7: plants in places like the UAE and Cotter, which are

701
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 7: i mean, infrastructure that will make the countries uninhabitable. And

702
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 7: right now there haven't been any attacks on them because

703
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 7: that's a really hideous thing to do, and it's also

704
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 7: the sort of absolutely last resort. But it's a thing

705
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 7: that like, you know, if you keep hitting them, they're

706
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 7: going to keep hitting more and more targets that are

707
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 7: going to significantly impact the lives of everyone in the

708
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 7: region and around the world. Now, now on the sort

709
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 7: of economics end, we've been kind of in this little

710
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 7: bouncing up and down Stace's lock, A little bit of

711
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: this has been broken because of again we're now seeing

712
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Speaker 7: instead of just the already very very bad damage of

713
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 7: nothing can get through the strait, we're now starting to

714
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Speaker 7: see permanent damage to oil infrastructure right, and by the way,

715
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Speaker 7: it's as as are worth noting Royer's reports that the

716
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 7: estimated damage I think both from revenue lost and from

717
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 7: to actually repair the facility that Carter state run gas

718
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 7: company is talking about. They're talking about twenty billion dollars

719
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Speaker 7: of damage. This has finally caused a sort of tank

720
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Speaker 7: in the Asian markets, which are down around three percent

721
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Speaker 7: in a lot of places. We're seeing like somewhere between

722
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Speaker 7: two to three percent for things like the DK in Japan.

723
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Speaker 7: We're seeing like one percent down in Shanghai. And you

724
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Speaker 7: know this is because a lot of these countries, particularly

725
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 7: in Asia, use a large quantity of not just oil

726
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 7: but also natural gas from the Gulf, which means that

727
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Speaker 7: these are the countries that are on the front lines

728
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Speaker 7: of this crisis. Now, the Brent Crude Index, which is

729
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Speaker 7: your sort of basementk for oil prices, is over one

730
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Speaker 7: hundred dollars. Now it's staying over one hundred dollars. Experts

731
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Speaker 7: are saying it's only going to increase, which yes, no shit,

732
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Speaker 7: of course, it's only going to increase. It's just going

733
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Speaker 7: to be continued to be more tax I have seen

734
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Speaker 7: some reporting saying that like worst case scenario, we could

735
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Speaker 7: see it at two hundred dollars. Two hundred dollars is

736
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Speaker 7: like a nightmare, like the nine dollars gasoline, unbelievable, hideous nightmare.

737
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Speaker 7: I'm not going to weigh in on whether we're going

738
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Speaker 7: to get to that point before Trump like bails out

739
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 7: of this war, but it's going to continue to go

740
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Speaker 7: up as both the actual global oil supply is reduced

741
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Speaker 7: and also as the capacity for a rebound once if

742
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Speaker 7: this war ends, is decreased by the continued destruction of

743
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Speaker 7: oil infrastructure. So all in all, things continue to be

744
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Speaker 7: extremely bad, and the outlook for the global economy is

745
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 7: very bad. The outlook for the people of Iran is

746
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 7: very bad. The outlook for people across the world is

747
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Speaker 7: not good.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, miya. And for a final segment, I'm going

749
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Speaker 4: to talk about the ongoing war against the rhyme, Yeah,

750
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Speaker 4: which I guess we're still deciding if it's a war

751
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: or not. Earlier this week, Donald Trump denied the existence

752
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: of uncrewed surface vessels, something Garrison and I talked about

753
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Speaker 4: in the podcast that came out earlier this week. I'm

754
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: just going to pay you the clip, so.

755
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Speaker 6: They put out phone and cornies during the Kamakazie boats.

756
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 6: The Karma Kazie boats don't exist. They're fake and you

757
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 6: can almost see that when you look at them. Look

758
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 6: say yeah, because if they did exist, we'd hit them

759
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 6: just like we hit other boats all over the place.

760
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 6: But they don't exist. In fact, some of the people say,

761
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 6: where are the boats? Well, how come nobody's see the bots?

762
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: You know why?

763
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 6: Because it's AI generated, it's naked I found just before

764
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 6: they've we started. But Narana is known for a lot

765
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 6: of fake news, and they deal with our fake news.

766
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Speaker 6: And I actually think it's pretty criminal because our media companies,

767
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 6: who have no credibility whatsoever, are putting out information that

768
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Speaker 6: they know is false.

769
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. So uncrewed surface vessels.

770
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Are real, Yes, they sure are. They've been used massively

771
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: in Ukraine among other places.

772
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. In fact, Robert, would you like to hear about

773
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 4: Saint Coom Commander Admiral Brad Cooper talking about uncrewed surface vessels.

774
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: I will always listen to someone named Brad James. You

775
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: know that about me?

776
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: Okay?

777
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Here you see a photo from March first of

778
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: a naval drone storage facility located near the Strait of Hoar.

779
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: Moves so as you can see naval drones uncrewed surface vessels.

780
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Speaker 4: This is going to be an issue in this conflict

781
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 4: and many others going forward. People are going to do

782
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: any reality that they don't want to engage with by

783
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: saying that it is ai Yep and that's deeply troubling.

784
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: So let's talk about what has been happening since we

785
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: last spoke Hag Island and only did the Persian Gulf

786
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: that is replete with oil infrastructure and storage facilities. It's

787
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 4: the island through a large amount of Iran's oil exports travel.

788
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a basically, so the most of the coast

789
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: of Iran is too shallow for the huge vessels that

790
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: are necessary to actually move crude oil and carg Island

791
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: is like a very rare deep water port basically, so

792
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of the hub.

793
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was struck by the United States last weekend

794
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 4: of raid. The plane that the raid only hit oil

795
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 4: infrastructure on Kig Island. It's very hard to get any

796
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: independent information from Iran currently because of blackouts, because of

797
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: the lack of connectivity, and because of regime oppression. Right

798
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: so we just it's quite possible that what the US

799
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: is saying is not true. It's also quite possible what

800
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: the Iranian state is saying it is not true. We

801
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 4: can confirm that there were strikes there using all kinds

802
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: of information by satellite imagery, open source flight threatening, et cetera,

803
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 4: that strikes definitely happened. Strikes this week by the IDF

804
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 4: also killed Ali Larijani and Bassige Unit commader Hola Moreza Solemoni.

805
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 4: Shortly after these claims first surfaced, a note was published

806
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 4: in Lara Johanni's handwriting. But it is fairly certain now

807
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: that he is dead. Larijani's assassination, I guess, or killing,

808
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: whatever you wanna call it by the IDF is notable

809
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: because he's one of the people who would have had

810
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: the sway in the regime to negotiate with the United States.

811
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 4: You could make a case that the IDF killing him

812
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: is a way for a negotiated piece to be even harder, right,

813
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: for this conflict to continue even more. He is also

814
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: a person who is responsible for massive crimes against the

815
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: citizens of Iran, right including the violent, murderous clampdown on

816
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 4: protests that we saw in January of this year, the

817
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: United States is also deploying the thirty first Marine Expeditionary

818
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Speaker 4: Unit to the Middle East as part of an amphibious

819
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Speaker 4: response group that includes the USS Tripoly. In fact, it's

820
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Speaker 4: approximately twenty five hundred marines who will be deployed. This

821
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Speaker 4: is the closest we've seen twenty official communication of United

822
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Speaker 4: States boots on the ground in the region. There's a

823
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Speaker 4: number of things that a marine expeditionary unit could do.

824
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: One of them is to do search and rescue or

825
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: provide evacuations for people on vessels in the Strait of

826
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Speaker 4: hornm Mooes that are struck right. Another of them is

827
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: to assault or take islands where Iran may have based

828
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Speaker 4: its military infrastructure, so to do things that are either

829
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 4: not possible or not easy with air strikes. Another one

830
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Speaker 4: is to add more air power that's closer to the

831
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Speaker 4: region that the Tripoli can carry their thirty five lightnings.

832
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Speaker 4: So it could be that. Another one is for these

833
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: two thy five hundred marines to invade Iran, right and

834
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Speaker 4: to begin a land war to attempt to They could

835
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Speaker 4: also be training Iranian opposition groups right that that's possible,

836
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Speaker 4: It wouldn't it's not like a core Marine Corps mission,

837
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 4: but there's a special Forces mission. But there's a number

838
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: of things it could be doing. There are also a

839
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: number of more Marine expeditionary units and other forces that

840
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: could be moved to the region. It's interesting to see

841
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: this just a few months after we saw that National

842
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: Security strategy which focused heavily on the Western hemisphere. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

843
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: the US isn't going to involve its OLM Forever Wars

844
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: in the release anymore.

845
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Speaker 3: I can't believe it.

846
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, shocking.

847
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Speaker 3: What's the status of these marines right now?

848
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Speaker 4: I believe they are motoring who the region? Right? So

849
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: Triple is a big boat. It's called an amphibious assault boat,

850
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: but that makes it sound like it's like a Higgins boat.

851
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, if this is not the boat that you

852
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 4: see in the DDA movement, okay, in fact, I don't

853
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: think it can actually have this particular one if I

854
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: understand correctly, doesn't carry those kinds of boats, Like it's

855
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: not set up for doing like a beach landing on Amphoebisssault.

856
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: But these Marine Expeditionary units are like the like the

857
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Speaker 4: first response, I guess like they have their own air power.

858
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: They have helicopters. Yeah, obviously they come on a boat.

859
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: They can move quite quickly. They have the marine, so

860
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Speaker 4: a caople of doing infantry stuff. So like it makes

861
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Speaker 4: sense that this would be what they would send. Talking

862
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Speaker 4: of US forces in the region, a US case, one

863
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Speaker 4: pint thirty five aircraft crashed over Rock last week. This

864
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Speaker 4: is not a combat aircraft, right, it's not a fighter bomber.

865
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Speaker 4: But to my knowledge, the only way out of these

866
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Speaker 4: planes is bailing. All six crew members on border confirmed

867
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Speaker 4: to have died. The United States SAT cons As has

868
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Speaker 4: flown over six thousand sorties since OEF began.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, a's Operation Epic Fury.

870
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great because Operation During Freedom had the same acronym,

871
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: and I'm sure that's not a mistake. But yeah, this

872
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: is Operation Epic Fury. It's a very high tempo, right,

873
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 4: and it's a very crowded air space. The six thousand sorties, yeap, Yeah,

874
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: that's a lot. Yeah, accidents like this will happen, right,

875
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: Not everybody who dies in warfare dies in combat. And thirdly,

876
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: this means that another six people are coming home from

877
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: Iraq and coffins as they have been since before. Many

878
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 4: of our listeners who were born and of course a

879
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: lot of people in Iraq who have no quarrel with

880
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: anyone that will also be innocent victims of this. It's

881
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: I don't mean by any means to suggest it's only

882
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: US service people who are the victims. Here I want

883
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 4: to talk about the conflict between the United States and

884
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Speaker 4: Hushda Chaby. The US has carried out ace series of

885
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: air strikes against PMF groups, so these are popular mobilization

886
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: forces for its Shia groups in Iran for the Islamic State.

887
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 4: A strike on a house in Baghdad killed the leader

888
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 4: of Katib Hasbola in a rug. The strike was confirmed

889
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: on Sabrine News. Sabrine News is like their telegram outlet.

890
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: It's like an aligned telegram news outlet for the group

891
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah for the PMF, and they made the statement quote

892
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: we announced you the martyrdom of hajj Abu Ali al Asgari.

893
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: In the days since he's killing, we have seen many

894
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: attacks on United States facilities in Iraq. The embassy's SRAM.

895
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 4: SRAM is counter rocket artillery and mortar. When you see

896
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 4: videos of drones being shot down, when you see like

897
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: a you hear like a run and then you see

898
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Speaker 4: a burst of like tracer fire and the drone explodes.

899
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Speaker 4: It's normally the cram, so the embassy cram and is

900
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: destroyed drone. But other footage posted online shows an FPV

901
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 4: drone that's the first person viewdrone FPV drone. It looks

902
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 4: like you're flying as opposed to let you're looking directly down,

903
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: flying over the embassy compound for almost two minutes. I'm

904
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: guessing it was a fiber optic controlled drone, right, so

905
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: there's no means of like jamming the signal, but this

906
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 4: is still a monumental failure for security. Right At the

907
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: same time, we saw two drones at least enter and

908
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: explode in the Victory Base, which is near Baghdad Airport.

909
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 4: The videos from those are bizarre. It seems that the

910
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: drone gets into the base and then it's just like WHOA,

911
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: what the hell. It didn't seem like they had a

912
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 4: clear target. It kind of flies around it like seems

913
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: so shocked that it was able to penetrate this supposedly

914
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 4: impenetrable area.

915
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Speaker 3: How much of these security systems are designed to counter

916
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: drones versus originally designed to counter older types of like

917
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: aerial threats.

918
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, drones is a broad category, I guess. So you

919
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 4: have like yoshahed drone, which kind of blurs the line

920
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 4: between a drone and a missile, right, it's like a

921
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: missile that can take a more varied flight path. Yeah, yeah,

922
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: it doesn't just don't go in the arc like ballistically.

923
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 4: In those cases, there are things that there are things

924
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: that you can do to shoot them down. Right, you

925
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 4: can have your Patriot missiles, you can use of see RAM,

926
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 4: you can shoot them down with various weapon systems on

927
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: an aircraft. But if we group FPV and like drop

928
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 4: A drones as commercial off the shelf drones, this is

929
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 4: the thing, right, you know, the United States has been

930
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: supporting Ukraine since twenty one, since before twenty twenty two,

931
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: but it's including since twenty twenty two with the false

932
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Speaker 4: scale evasion. It has not been supporting the revolution in Memmar.

933
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: But clearly they have not learned enough from those two conflicts,

934
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: right in terms of the use of these small commercial

935
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: off the shelf drones, and this is now showing up

936
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 4: as a weakness in their defense strategy. Like this is

937
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: a serious thing for the US government. For someone to

938
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: be and for them to just fly a recondrone over

939
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 4: the embassy, like you know, obviously they now know where

940
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: everything is, and for them to publish that footage it

941
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: is like a public somewhat like humiliation, right, the sort

942
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: of security infrastructure. So finally, I guess a couple more things.

943
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: Iran is now militarizing the area of Kurdistan between the

944
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: Iranian and Iraqi states. So that's the Iran Iraq border

945
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: in Kurdistan. Right. It seems to have issued orders preventing

946
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: people moving around the region as they habitually would people

947
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 4: move around because they've always moved around. People move around

948
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: with their animals, right. The Iranian government appears to have

949
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: ordered its troops to shoot people who perceived to be

950
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: moving around without permission. People often get near the border

951
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: with a ruck to access cell signal, and the government

952
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 4: forces appear to have left their bases in the region

953
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 4: in favor of occupying the mountains as what as local

954
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: educational institutions of sports facilities. Right, So that means that

955
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 4: people in towns are now its threat. And Hengar has

956
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: some incidents where people have been shot by security forces

957
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: in the region. Finally, then I want to talk about

958
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: the resignation of the director of the National Countess Terrorism Center,

959
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 4: Joe Kent. Kent resigned this week, saying quote, Iran posed

960
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: no imminent threat to our nation. It does seem that

961
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 4: that is where a lot of people stopped reading anything.

962
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: Kent said, Yeah, are people who did not know who

963
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 4: Joe Kent is, right and don't have access to Google

964
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: for reasons that I don't understand. Yeah, yeah, some really

965
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: incredibly shitty reporting on this. Kent went on in his

966
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 4: note to among other things, talk about the death of

967
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: his wife, which is genuinely tragic. Kent has some disgusting views, right, like,

968
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: but it does seem like the death of his wife

969
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: was kind of a I guess a turning point. Is

970
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 4: that fair to say? Gair, Like, you've looked at Kent

971
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 4: a lot, like in his politics. He talks about it

972
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: a lot.

973
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

974
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very load bearing for him.

975
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's just with people aren't aware. His wife, Shannon,

976
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: was a cryptologist and linguist attacked to the ISA Intelligence

977
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 4: Support activity sometimes called Task Force Orange. She was in

978
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: Mambij in Syria when she was killed by in Islamic

979
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: State suicide bomber she was in the buffer zone, like

980
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: that that was like the buffer then that Turkey had

981
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: forced to exist. He calls that in his resignation to

982
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 4: statement quote a war manufactured by Israel, and he also

983
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: seems to suggest that Trump was conned by Israel into

984
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: starting the war with it ran far too much reporting

985
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: has missed this context, So he's essentially using what on

986
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: the face of it as an anti submit like saying.

987
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he he like is he is he

988
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: is like an anti Semitic fascist.

989
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: Yes, his reason for retiring is like explicitly anti Semitic.

990
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: This like yeah, this is the same justification that someone

991
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: like Nick Quentes uses to oppose the war in Iran.

992
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 3: Not out of you know, principled solidarity. These people don't

993
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: care about civilians dying in Iran. No, And it's not

994
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: actually about any sort of like notion of anti imperialism.

995
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: No, it's anti Semitism.

996
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: They believe that this is a Zionist occupied government. Yeah,

997
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: in the zog meaning of the term, like there's like

998
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: literally literally like a total Jewish control over all state operations.

999
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: Not linked to actual lobbying groups that lobby for Israel

1000
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: within the United States, but conspiratorial framework invoking anti Semitic

1001
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: tropes and stereotypes. This is the sort of an army

1002
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: that Joe Kent comes out of. As we are recording this,

1003
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 3: Joe Kent has an interview dropping with Tucker Carlson, Yes,

1004
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: where he's going to expound on this. Carlson has similarly

1005
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: voiced these sorts of objections based on if any intelligent

1006
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 3: person you know, reads into it based on anti semitism,

1007
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: not actually based on again principal solidarity with oppressed people's

1008
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: or anti imperialism.

1009
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think if you're reading new sources of like,

1010
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 4: oh wow, Trump is beginning to lose people, and they

1011
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 4: have I mentioned any of this, really consider if you

1012
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 4: want to be reading those news sources. I'll just say that,

1013
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: I guess. Caroline Levitt responded with a post on X saying, quote,

1014
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: the commander in chief determines what does and does not

1015
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: constitute a threat because he is the only one constitutionally

1016
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: empowered to do so, and because the American people went

1017
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: to the ballot box and it trusted him and him

1018
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 4: alone to make such final judgments. That is a remarkable

1019
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 4: statement for those of us who lived through the whole

1020
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 4: Iraq has wnd's era.

1021
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: But the United States has long history of involvement in

1022
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: the Middle East. And yes, the extent to which we

1023
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: are partnering with Israel is often in support of our

1024
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: other objectives in the Middle East and our ability to

1025
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: use Israel as like a proxy state. That's why the

1026
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: United States government has such a large interest in Israel.

1027
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: Is we have other reasons for wanting to be active

1028
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: and control parts of the region or influence the region.

1029
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Often the priorities of Israel not always right, like

1030
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 4: in the first time the United States invaded the Persian Gulf.

1031
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 4: That often they are fighting alongside each other because they

1032
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: have similar interest not because of any nefarious Jewish conspiracy.

1033
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, which very frustrating that it continues to be

1034
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: something that needs to be reiterated.

1035
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, even on the left, but it does.

1036
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: And the first time I started seeing people who had

1037
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: previously been doing other campus to shit start using the

1038
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: phrase zog, I was like, Okay, we've come, We've come

1039
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: full circle. Everything's where it was always going to be beautiful.

1040
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: The normalization of zog and like goy across parts of

1041
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: the online left.

1042
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: Is from Anarchisparian of the New Turks, the Young Turks

1043
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck the ty t they.

1044
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 3: Call them the youngs has fallen.

1045
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah well let yeah, let let's be honest, choosing that

1046
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 4: name didn't predispose them to the anti genocide.

1047
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: She has always been like that, she's sucked for a while.

1048
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: But just seeing her use the freight the word GOI

1049
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: like that was like.

1050
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 4: Whoa, wow, Yeah I haven't seen that, Okay.

1051
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: I used to have to go to Telegram to see

1052
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: people boasting shit like that.

1053
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's sort of shit you would

1054
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: hear like ham Radio, like it's just like old school racism.

1055
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah no, there is. There is this interesting emergence of

1056
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: like a red brown alliance specifically targeting like Israel or

1057
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: people's notions of Israel's global influence.

1058
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, great, no great stuff at all.

1059
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we should just say, since this is gonna

1060
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: be one of the big news stories this week and

1061
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: coming into next week, The New York Times has published

1062
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: a in article with very extensive sourcing, including from people

1063
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: very close to Cesser Chavez, who reported that he sexually assaulted, raped,

1064
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: molested an abused mix of girls and women, including a

1065
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: lot of girls preteen girls started grooming them as young

1066
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: as eight or nine. In some cases, there's evidence of

1067
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: molestation of girls as young as like twelve thirteen. And

1068
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: then Delor Swerta, who was his very famously one of

1069
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: his organizing partners for quite a long time, came out

1070
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: and said that he sexually assaulted her on raped her

1071
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: on at least two occasions, which led to pregnancies. So

1072
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: that is all coming out now, and it's all pretty horrific.

1073
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like, there's not much more to say.

1074
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: You can read the article, yeah and should.

1075
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, will link to finish shirt. If you'd like to

1076
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: email us, you can send a message to cool Zone

1077
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Speaker 3: That's for tips, that's for news gathering tips.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is for It is not for you to

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Speaker 4: pitch your boss to come on Roberts podcast. It is

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Speaker 4: not for you to tell us about your new book.

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Speaker 4: It is not for you to share how much you

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Speaker 4: enjoy a podcast. So that's very sweet. If you want

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Speaker 4: to send that kind of stuff, you can do it

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Speaker 4: to cool Zone mediaiheartmedia dot com. If you, as a

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Speaker 4: public relations company, send a large number of emails to

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Speaker 4: our tips list, I will block you.

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Speaker 2: I will find you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm believe me, buddy. We're gonna if people keep

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Speaker 4: trying this ship, we're gonna have a list and we're

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Speaker 4: going to read that at the end of everybody, and

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Speaker 4: I will give them your email address.

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Speaker 2: I will do anti advertising. I will accuse your boss

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Speaker 2: that you want to go on my podcast of various crimes.

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Speaker 2: And thanks to my understanding of libel laws in the

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Speaker 2: United States, I should be fine. Yeah, where's that slander?

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Speaker 2: I always yeah, We'll I'll do both. It'll be fine.

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Speaker 4: Yah, right it, We'll say it, we'll post it.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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Speaker 4: M we reported the news.

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Speaker 1: It could happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 1: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can

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Speaker 1: now find sources where it could happen here listened directly

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