Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: Welcome to new Rory and Maul on Netflix. I was excited.
Speaker 2: You can never get this guy excited.
Speaker 1: Hey we're on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I've seen the greatest of shows with this guy, live
Speaker 2: performances that blew my mind and mall just not even
Speaker 2: being on Netflix does anything.
Speaker 3: It's very stoic.
Speaker 1: It's my j prince right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we do need to do a twenty three
Speaker 2: meters with you guys. I mean somewhere down the line.
Speaker 2: There's some relatives, some relations for sure. But yes, welcome
Speaker 2: to our first episode on Netflix, well, our first new one,
Speaker 2: because we did upload some older episodes just so people
Speaker 2: that were discovering the show could have an idea.
Speaker 3: But we are here, We have arrived.
Speaker 4: We are here, and then the forest of k Netflix
Speaker 4: will never be the same?
Speaker 1: Will readia for Netflix?
Speaker 2: Should we do it like promote this the way they
Speaker 2: promote all like the new podcast of like they're going
Speaker 2: to say the craziest thing, No one's safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when these guys get on the microphone.
Speaker 1: The culture will shift as a result.
Speaker 3: The tectonic plates.
Speaker 4: Yes, nothing will be the same, but we are happy
Speaker 4: to be here at on our new home.
Speaker 1: Yes Netflix, So yeah, man, let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Let's have some fun. Yeah, I add some uh unnamed
Speaker 2: champagne here. I'll keep the logo this way. But you know,
Speaker 2: just I thought it was a nice, nice gesture. And
Speaker 2: on a snow day too. I hope Netflix already Uh
Speaker 2: we're complaining.
Speaker 1: Alcoholics always need a reason to drink, don't they.
Speaker 2: I think being on Netflix is a pretty good uh yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty good thing. And I was sober through the entire
Speaker 2: snow experience. So nobody believes that I swear to God.
Speaker 2: Nobody believes that.
Speaker 1: You think that helps you do? I put that on
Speaker 1: my mama.
Speaker 5: You don't even talk to you, you know, I said, Rory,
Speaker 5: I said roral tweets.
Speaker 3: Is that close to it?
Speaker 5: I said yesterday that said it was a girl that
Speaker 5: said I swear out my life. And the dude responded
Speaker 5: was like, bitch, you suicidal swear on something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you are, mama already to be You need.
Speaker 3: To monetize from Netflix alive? Can we do that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, keep it, but listen, they they write
Speaker 2: people live on Netflix.
Speaker 3: It's in the scripted series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 5: It's so like I think, Oh, there's an intimacy coordinator
Speaker 5: I feel like we need an intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 3: Is what do they do?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: Intimacy coordinator is someone that goes on the sets of
Speaker 5: TV shows, movies and things like that for sex scenes
Speaker 5: or like any type of like seeing that if those
Speaker 5: two people, Yeah, like that.
Speaker 3: Would make people uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Probably God.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So they like place like balls and like little
Speaker 5: cover ups in between nipples and like they.
Speaker 3: Make sure like cover between nipples when.
Speaker 5: People are having sex on Netflix while they're not actually
Speaker 5: having sex, So there needs.
Speaker 3: To be covered.
Speaker 1: Don't cover my nipples.
Speaker 3: We covered my nipples for not not your nipples.
Speaker 1: Cover her nipples?
Speaker 3: Yes, what so that she's comfortable.
Speaker 2: She's acting them all with pasties on and the sex
Speaker 2: scene is just funny.
Speaker 3: She's not really fucking like she's No.
Speaker 4: I get that part, but I'm saying, you don't have
Speaker 4: to cover the nipples for us to not like nobody
Speaker 4: thinks we're really having sex.
Speaker 5: It's not about we're not, but it's uncomfortable for the actor. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but we still see nipples though sometimes, but it's not rubbing.
Speaker 5: I've never seen a sex scene and did not see nipples.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: No, there's yes, you can have. I saw the saw
Speaker 2: the boob and it was Pasty's on a nipple.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's.
Speaker 2: Like hiding nipple purposely in the scene because it's not
Speaker 2: Maybe are rated, they are covered by things like I.
Speaker 4: Get genitalia being covered. I get that part. But I've
Speaker 4: never seen a really.
Speaker 1: Good sex scene.
Speaker 5: I'm doing a scene and I'm laying on my back
Speaker 5: and there's a man on top of me. There is
Speaker 5: something in between my orogenous zones so that when he's
Speaker 5: rubbing against me, it's not uncomfortable for the both of us.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So won't be watching that movie. You
Speaker 1: don't see it. You don't see it. It's for that actor.
Speaker 4: No, I can tell I know a good sex scene
Speaker 4: versus the sexcey where they had no chemistry.
Speaker 1: Those actors had the chemistry.
Speaker 4: Those are the ones with the pasties and the rogin
Speaker 4: his zone blockers. I don't want to see a sex
Speaker 4: scene with the rogin his zone blocker.
Speaker 2: All right, let me try to say disrespect, because I
Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for for Chloe Bailey. In
Speaker 2: that scene in that show that went viral, it's pretty
Speaker 2: much the trailer.
Speaker 3: To to watch them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he's blowing her back out and you see
Speaker 2: kind of her arch like the top of her cheeks.
Speaker 2: You don't think there was like close between them there.
Speaker 2: You can't I know that, Okay, I'm saying that if
Speaker 2: if a woman is and she had paid, like even
Speaker 2: though our shirt was off, she had things on her tips,
Speaker 2: you just can't see that, Okay, Okay, all right, maybe
Speaker 2: we're over explaining. No ononder they didn't get a mall emmy.
Speaker 2: I doubt there's been any real I think it's like
Speaker 2: a like union mandated.
Speaker 3: You can't just have but ass sexies unless you're These
Speaker 3: are not regular cups. These this is for the beer pong.
Speaker 3: I clean them, Okay.
Speaker 2: Marriage nobody's drinking that, don't worry about it. It looks
Speaker 2: just for the camera.
Speaker 4: Rodging his own blockers. That's the celebratory zone blocker.
Speaker 2: So what what would the intimacy counselor do for our show?
Speaker 1: Coordinator?
Speaker 2: Yeah, made one of our sketches, Yet.
Speaker 5: They would like make sure okay we're on. It's so
Speaker 5: weird because we're on Netflix now and I'm like afraid,
Speaker 5: like my aunts are tuned in for sure. All the
Speaker 5: crazy things I would say for the YouTube community, I'm.
Speaker 4: Over here, like you're afraid to say things on Netflix
Speaker 4: but not YouTube.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just because I feel like Netflix is for the
Speaker 5: like my aunts and them have Netflix, like my my
Speaker 5: my mother has Netflix. My mother's not going to YouTube
Speaker 5: to watch this show. Like it's just different. I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's so easily accessible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say I went to my godfather's right
Speaker 2: before the snowstorm and it was a bunch of adults
Speaker 2: there and they were thrilled that it was on, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can finally watch it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I was like, you do know YouTube? Like it was
Speaker 2: on your phone? You could have like no, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to do that. Now, could you go on
Speaker 2: my TV and watch it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The adults were thrilled. Where your whole older family is
Speaker 2: going to see all the foul things that you say.
Speaker 2: And you may want to hire an intimacy coordinator for
Speaker 2: times like this.
Speaker 5: For like times when Maul is like asking me if
Speaker 5: I'm ovulating, like like I need intimacy over here, like
Speaker 5: are you okay? Like is that okay?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: By though, like this is I can't ask if you're ovulator?
Speaker 4: What's wrong with that? That's like a major that's like
Speaker 4: a normal bodily, i'd s.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how the population continues. I understand. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: that you were concerned for the baby.
Speaker 4: I'm on the side of if you're ovulating, if you're
Speaker 4: you know, on your monthly out listen, I'm one of
Speaker 4: those out you can take the time off, like I'm
Speaker 4: one of those guys.
Speaker 3: I can take this time off with I'm on my
Speaker 3: monthly since win. I'm been onto my past for five years.
Speaker 4: Okay, baby, if you're on your menstrul, you're on your cycle,
Speaker 4: just send me the app so I can track it,
Speaker 4: and then I will give you to you.
Speaker 2: I have to be able to prove it. I have
Speaker 2: to be able to prove it. I have to be
Speaker 2: able to prove that she even the period apps, you
Speaker 2: personally submit that in there, they can guess.
Speaker 1: But the baby gives it to me. Now, I can
Speaker 1: kind of track it now.
Speaker 3: But what if she switches to birth control and it
Speaker 3: changed has to control.
Speaker 1: She has to tell me that as her as her employer,
Speaker 1: she has to tell me that, okay, left until my monthly.
Speaker 4: Okay, so send me to the date and then I'll
Speaker 4: track it from there and then one day if you
Speaker 4: come me like Ma you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm cramping. I'm not like listening. I'll check the app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: intimisson Coordinator, right, are you.
Speaker 3: Gonna keep pushing notifications on?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely? I want to know when baby deeds ovulating? Okay, cool?
Speaker 5: You know that in that app you also track every
Speaker 5: time you have sex too, So I don't know if
Speaker 5: you want to put your push notifications on every time.
Speaker 1: You have to know I won't get no sleep. I
Speaker 1: should be going.
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, baby, baby, go to bed.
Speaker 1: Baby D's added a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yo.
Speaker 2: Imagine I had pushed notification, Oh baby having yo? Please
Speaker 2: definite like yo, if you don't go, take your horny
Speaker 2: ash to sleep?
Speaker 3: Man, what's roll with you? It's a nasty collab calendar.
Speaker 1: Yes, we need it, though.
Speaker 4: We need to know when baby's not feeling well? What
Speaker 4: the all women, not just baby, the all women. That
Speaker 4: should be a thing. You're on your monthly you're not
Speaker 4: feeling women should be able to stay home, man, that's
Speaker 4: that's a natural thing.
Speaker 2: My favorite story of when a director needed it, Intimacy
Speaker 2: Coordinator was Dame when he got sued. And I want
Speaker 2: to make it clear that Dame beat this case. They
Speaker 2: never say when Dame beats the lawsuits. He was directing
Speaker 2: a movie and he told a woman he was too
Speaker 2: uncomfortable to talk about sex with her and director that way.
Speaker 2: So he gave her a porno DP and say, yo,
Speaker 2: go watch this.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, intimacy? What is it? Coordinator? Intimate?
Speaker 2: She coordinated the way Dame explained it.
Speaker 3: He was like, no, I was doing the respectful thing.
Speaker 2: It would have been disrespectful if I went to her
Speaker 2: like I need you to suck like this, fuck like this.
Speaker 2: To me, I felt that was too inappropriately. Watched this,
Speaker 2: so I was like, yo, here you go, like, do
Speaker 2: what they do on do what they do? Go in
Speaker 2: the car and come back. Go in the car, got
Speaker 2: seven minutes to get back here. Well, flick the bean.
Speaker 1: Come back.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the scene. Flick the bean, get to
Speaker 2: the scene. How mars, how do you think you're doing
Speaker 2: a scripted sex thy? Not really having sex? Like I've
Speaker 2: thought about that. Would you want that last night?
Speaker 1: Underneath you?
Speaker 3: Somebody I wasn't at one top.
Speaker 1: Wait you have baby, she always shout it.
Speaker 5: Feel I would want somebody I wasn't attracted to, Like
Speaker 5: I don't want my biggest crush. You know what I'm
Speaker 5: saying as an actor, because then you know, it gets uncomfortable,
Speaker 5: get real uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It's real. You might get an oscar.
Speaker 3: I can't turn myself on, might get an oscar. He
Speaker 3: might slip it in by accident.
Speaker 4: See that's why, that's why he needs an intimacy coordinated counselor.
Speaker 3: That's essentially because she's into him, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I don't think. No, I would rather
Speaker 1: have somebody I'm not attracted to. I've never explained to
Speaker 1: explain it because it's work.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing where I won't want a podcast
Speaker 5: with somebody that I'm attracted.
Speaker 3: To, like it's work.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, like, norady, y'all, no, shady, what are
Speaker 5: you talking about?
Speaker 3: Why would you want to because if I'm like.
Speaker 5: If I find you cute in it, like, it's distract
Speaker 5: it's a distraction.
Speaker 3: Are you seeing what I'm saying? Because they don't flirting.
Speaker 5: I'm not acting like with y'all, I'm actively like being funny,
Speaker 5: being a personality. If I'm attracted to them, like I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm putting on my best riz like it's just it's
Speaker 5: a distraction.
Speaker 3: I can I'm an adult.
Speaker 2: I can have a coise those two different things, for
Speaker 2: for sure, Like I'm not every day you want to
Speaker 2: be funnier maybe when you're sitting there, but that just
Speaker 2: makes for a better pot. But I could contain myself
Speaker 2: from like really trying to flirt, like because I'm attracted to.
Speaker 5: Somebody, it's not even just even if even if you
Speaker 5: aren't acting on it, it's a distraction. Like if I'm
Speaker 5: looking at Rory like damn, yo, he looks so good,
Speaker 5: I'm distracted.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't put you pout for a little.
Speaker 2: I feel like you could fight through the urges every
Speaker 2: day and somebody every day. Oh okay, I was thinking
Speaker 2: more like not.
Speaker 3: A guess episode, No, every day every day.
Speaker 2: Working with somebody every day that you really want to fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's tough. At that point, I would probably try
Speaker 2: to turn off that. Like now it's we work together, now,
Speaker 2: like this is we've decided this is.
Speaker 3: Never gonna happen again because we work together.
Speaker 4: I'm about to say I've dealt with that, like when
Speaker 4: I was working, Like I've had jobs women that I
Speaker 4: was attracted to, but once you work with them, for
Speaker 4: like three months, you don't even look at them like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, once you date some once you get to
Speaker 5: know anyone, a crush is just a lack of information.
Speaker 5: So once you know somebody for more than three minutes,
Speaker 5: you'd be like, I understand what, Well, we.
Speaker 4: Can go both ways because you can have a crush
Speaker 4: on somebody and then once you really get to know me, like, damn,
Speaker 4: I really like this person.
Speaker 1: I know that, or excuse me, no, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Or they can say something that will turtle like turn
Speaker 4: you off completely and like you I'm like.
Speaker 2: Okay, just put a beep there.
Speaker 3: Yes, she was so hot. It's funny that that's here.
Speaker 1: She was so hot.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, do you have kids or like anything
Speaker 2: like that. That's the one that puts it over the edge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes getting what you wish for is the absolute worst.
Speaker 2: Like have you even kind of not I don't want
Speaker 2: to say red flags because that's just like a little annoyances.
Speaker 2: In the first thirty days, you're like, we'll push through these,
Speaker 2: she's that bad, and then ninety days in you're like,
Speaker 2: this is the most annoying, bad bitch I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in my entire I totally understand why nobody has stayed
Speaker 2: with her longer than a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then, but not only that, When you're working
Speaker 4: with somebody that's attractive, you first meet them, like, damn,
Speaker 4: who's the new girl that just got high? She's bad
Speaker 4: because I've been through that all the homies gold Peak.
Speaker 4: She nice after like three months, a couple of conversations,
Speaker 4: you like, that's Angela.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. She's cute, but
Speaker 1: this is like, that's Angela like that. Sometimes it works out.
Speaker 2: Remember those two news anchors that she on their spouses
Speaker 2: and I think they're together now, Like sometimes that's your soulmate,
Speaker 2: that's your twin flames sitting next to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they.
Speaker 2: Probably figured that out on the air. That chemistry showed
Speaker 2: up there that made them get like, you know, fuck
Speaker 2: my family. Yeah, this is where I need to be,
Speaker 2: like work in here.
Speaker 5: You can't let your family keep you from the love
Speaker 5: of your life. M I'm lying more Malan.
Speaker 1: That's from the Book of Nigga Damas. I love that book.
Speaker 1: I read that everything.
Speaker 2: The amount of children that have grown up fatherless because
Speaker 2: of that theory and then ended up robbing us is
Speaker 2: it is the reason why you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: Mom boy had a really cute girl that was working
Speaker 4: in his store, and the other day I was like, yo,
Speaker 4: it's the cute because I hadn't seen no every time
Speaker 4: like I go visit, I'm like, yohe's the girl that
Speaker 4: used to work. He'sa nah fired. I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: what happened? He's like, Yo, she called out one day
Speaker 4: to go protest?
Speaker 5: Isn't that like protected? Like you can't fire somebody for
Speaker 5: that small I'm not on.
Speaker 2: The mall side of what the protest is. We don't
Speaker 2: need to put a name on the protest protests I support.
Speaker 2: You can't just not go to work that day. You
Speaker 2: can't not go to work because you want to go protest?
Speaker 1: Did protected? This job? Is protect?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Really a company?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: If that was the case, I could open up my
Speaker 2: phone and find a protest every day every week.
Speaker 1: I'm a protest.
Speaker 3: But I think that that's I think that's different.
Speaker 2: And even that like shit in the in mid twenty
Speaker 2: tens when the protests were going crazy, Yeah, they got
Speaker 2: crazier after six pm because people had to go to work.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, at well, employment in most states like New
Speaker 5: York employers can fire people for any reason, including public protesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I can see how it can
Speaker 2: get into the weeds of what you're protesting this and that.
Speaker 2: But if you just be like, yo, I'm not coming
Speaker 2: into work because I'm going to protest, to me, that's
Speaker 2: an easy fire. Like I think there's companies that be like, hey,
Speaker 2: if you fully support this, everyone's going to take the day.
Speaker 2: We're taking a Wednesday off for all of us to
Speaker 2: go do that. If you don't want to do it,
Speaker 2: take the day off. I could see that. But just
Speaker 2: somebody calling in like.
Speaker 1: Nah, I'm going to protest personal.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you have first of all, you have
Speaker 2: sick days, just saying And that's another thing I never understood,
Speaker 2: like when people like even like for example, when me
Speaker 2: and my home girls go on vacation and they like, yo,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna tell about.
Speaker 5: Tell them niggas, you ain't coming in. I don't understand
Speaker 5: why you feel like you have to give them an excuse.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm sick. Oh, I don't feel good. Oh my
Speaker 5: grandmother died. I'm not coming in today for personal reasons.
Speaker 3: Period. They don't have to ask you, they ask you.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: It's it's for personal reasons.
Speaker 1: Show them when they fire you, can they say we
Speaker 1: fired you for personal.
Speaker 5: They can't fire you for not coming in for personal reasons.
Speaker 5: They cannot fire it.
Speaker 1: If they can have a personal reason for firing you.
Speaker 5: I mean it's that well employment, you can fire me,
Speaker 5: but you better make sure that you cross your eyes
Speaker 5: and dotted your cues or whatever the fuck, because I'm.
Speaker 1: Calling I used to dot my cues.
Speaker 2: I mean you kind of cross a Q is just
Speaker 2: an oh, that's like halfway cross.
Speaker 5: They gotta splash it or something like that. Whatever, because
Speaker 5: I'm calling them folk.
Speaker 2: If it's if it's a one time thing, yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: Like you can't ask somebody if that's not their character.
Speaker 2: Like they're not calling out or own a blate all
Speaker 2: the time and they're just like, yo, I have some
Speaker 2: personal things going on.
Speaker 3: Cool, But if that happens all the time, you'll yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's anything if anything happens all the time.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of parents with some older kids
Speaker 2: that tell me they allow their kids to have a
Speaker 2: few personal days from school. Well, I think that is
Speaker 2: cool and important, and I'm a big advocate of mental health.
Speaker 3: Put better help ad here.
Speaker 2: Life doesn't care about your personal days, Like, are we
Speaker 2: preparing your kids that in the right way? I think
Speaker 2: the real world does not care about your personal shit.
Speaker 3: I understand that, but it's not about that.
Speaker 2: I don't want my kids to fucking implode and go nuts.
Speaker 2: I get it, But I'm still on the side of
Speaker 2: how I was raised, Like, no, you're going to school
Speaker 2: like you even funk about your personal probless.
Speaker 5: Not like working for you, like working through your mental
Speaker 5: health issues, coming to work and doing everything you gotta do.
Speaker 5: How's that working for you? What do you mean you
Speaker 5: think you're like okay? Or you think you could use
Speaker 5: some personal days.
Speaker 4: I could definitely use some person I mean myself, I
Speaker 4: could definitely use some personal days.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think it's case by case basis of what
Speaker 2: happens in school, because school can be a very dangerous, scary,
Speaker 2: full of anxiety type of environment for some kids. And
Speaker 2: I can identify and understand that. But if you cool
Speaker 2: and you just want to day off, that's not how
Speaker 2: the world works. Okay, you know that's fine with me.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, the world don't work that way. We
Speaker 2: have to put these episodes up I signed a contract.
Speaker 2: I have to do this because I said I was
Speaker 2: going to do it, and that's how the world works.
Speaker 2: So yeah, even though I don't want to come in
Speaker 2: here on certain days, I'm shoveling my car out Monday
Speaker 2: morning with a Mars screaming or fucking head off in
Speaker 2: the backseat, and I'm coming here.
Speaker 5: And all of those are choices that you made yourself
Speaker 5: as a kid. You did not make the choice to
Speaker 5: go to school or be born. You actually have no
Speaker 5: say in any of that shit. You don't even gotta
Speaker 5: choose what fucking classes you're taking when you're in middle school.
Speaker 3: So I mean me.
Speaker 5: Personally, I'm not gonna lie. I feel like it's a
Speaker 5: kid by kid basis and a case by case basis.
Speaker 5: Like because I know my kid gonna wake me up
Speaker 5: on day, I'm gonna go wake my kid up on day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta go school.
Speaker 5: They gonnaokt me and be like, ma, I really can't
Speaker 5: do it today, And I'm gonna look at them my elf.
Speaker 3: We in the house. I can't do it. Togay either're
Speaker 3: like whatever.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing I'm not saying I even stand
Speaker 2: on either side with this, because I do get in.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: If Amar comes in her room in my room crying
Speaker 2: in fourth grade of saying like I just can't do
Speaker 2: it today, you think I'm gonna turn into a drill sergeant. No,
Speaker 2: my fucking heart is gonna melt and I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 2: just stay here, I'll hug you. But as my freshman
Speaker 2: football coach said every single time, if you quit during
Speaker 2: double sessions, yeah it'll be easy. Nothing wrong will happen
Speaker 2: in your life, but it'll make the next thing easier
Speaker 2: to quit. And then you'll just start a fucking pattern
Speaker 2: of quitting when things are a little rough that morning,
Speaker 2: and now you're just this fucking soft person that's gonna
Speaker 2: sit there like, well, the last time I said I
Speaker 2: wasn't going into school, everything was fine, and then that
Speaker 2: just leads to you doing it all the time, and
Speaker 2: now you a fucking dropout.
Speaker 4: And now you're stuck behind seven to eleven for OxyS
Speaker 4: exactly because oxies make you feel better.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to go to school.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I see both sides.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm asking everyone in the room what that
Speaker 2: balance looks like, that's all, but I don't have the answer.
Speaker 4: My nephew has this new thing of where he says
Speaker 4: it's illegal. So like he told my sister it's illegal
Speaker 4: for kids to go outside when it's twenty degrees, like
Speaker 4: that's going to keep them going to school. But he
Speaker 4: don't know what it's illegal for the teachers to take
Speaker 4: them outside for recess.
Speaker 1: So he but he thinks it's illegal to just leave
Speaker 1: the house like this. Nigga tried all not to know
Speaker 1: it's illegal.
Speaker 4: Nigga, you getting on that bus, you will be outside
Speaker 4: for ten seconds, then get on a hot bus. You
Speaker 4: get off the bus. It's school for ten seconds to
Speaker 4: go into hot school building.
Speaker 2: Now I kind of I respect that more than a
Speaker 2: mental health day. At least you're trying to work the
Speaker 2: system that's working you. Yeah, he's like, it's not legal
Speaker 2: for kids. I see what I'm trying to do. It's
Speaker 2: illegal for real to take.
Speaker 4: Kids outside for recess if it's below thirty five degrees.
Speaker 1: I think something like that.
Speaker 4: But he thinking like once he here, it's illegal for kids.
Speaker 4: He thinking like, oh no, I can't even leave my house.
Speaker 4: Just illegal for me to leave the house. Like that's
Speaker 4: the keep you trying to play that card. Now, that's
Speaker 4: so cute. Yeah, he'll be in school tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That see.
Speaker 2: That would almost convince me like you made a good argument.
Speaker 2: You're wrong as fuck. But I appreciate the attention now
Speaker 2: that I ain't working on my sister. That ain't happen,
Speaker 2: of course not.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a balance. I feel like I would.
Speaker 5: I would from the beginning of school year you get
Speaker 5: you get two mental health days a school year to
Speaker 5: a school year, I feel like that's but what.
Speaker 2: We're doing during those mental health days? You playing Xbox
Speaker 2: if that's what you need to do.
Speaker 1: You've had mental health days from school?
Speaker 5: Uh, well, back I couldn't do that. My mother was like,
Speaker 5: go to school. I just would skip, like you see
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, So like, that's not something new that
Speaker 5: that kids are just not doing.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you want to go to school?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 5: There were times where, especially middle school, it's just so
Speaker 5: especially as a girl, there's so much drama and just
Speaker 5: weird shit that's going on, and people that are supposed
Speaker 5: to be your friends are talking behind your back, and
Speaker 5: then somebody's messing with a boy they're not supposed to
Speaker 5: be with, And when you're young, you just feel you.
Speaker 1: Don't want to go to school because people have told Maha,
Speaker 1: you're back, just it could be anything.
Speaker 2: When you're a kid, shit just feels heavier, like and
Speaker 2: I know that sucks, But that doesn't change in the office.
Speaker 3: That doesn't change in adult worlds. No, it doesn't. It
Speaker 3: does not change. And it sucks to say that.
Speaker 2: You kind of have to get not used to it
Speaker 2: or think it's okay, but get exposed to it so
Speaker 2: it doesn't affect you in a way that's gonna cripple
Speaker 2: you as an adult.
Speaker 3: But shit like that goes on for a week, two weeks.
Speaker 5: If you take me one one day out of that
Speaker 5: two weeks, it's not like you're avoiding the problem.
Speaker 3: It's just like, yo, today, I can't deal with this shit.
Speaker 2: I hip check kids at the playground that even touching
Speaker 2: marrow Like, I'm with you. If I find out that
Speaker 2: there's been a week that she's been bullied by the
Speaker 2: same group of girls, is yeah, it's gonna be time.
Speaker 3: What's their last names?
Speaker 2: Yeah, with my address dot com, we find on their
Speaker 2: parents and we're going from there.
Speaker 5: Bully and I would never let my kid run from now.
Speaker 5: You're not running from bullying. But when sometimes shit you're
Speaker 5: just overwhelmed, Like you got a lot of fucking homework,
Speaker 5: you got all these fucking classes. Shit not go right
Speaker 5: with your friends, You got sports, you got that. Sometimes kids,
Speaker 5: I get overwhelmed as an adult from dealing with a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of shit. So when you're a kid and
Speaker 5: you got all that going on, it's not weird for
Speaker 5: you to get overwhelmed. So I used to skip, Like
Speaker 5: I would skip a class or skip two classes and
Speaker 5: go put my fucking headphones on, put on all the
Speaker 5: Drake Raars from YouTube, and sit underneath the steps with
Speaker 5: my headphones in.
Speaker 1: And he was one of those first time classes. He
Speaker 1: was one of the weird girls. I wasn't if I
Speaker 1: saw you sitting under bleach, I was like it was
Speaker 1: weird or right what she doing?
Speaker 5: Not the bleeding, but like in the basement where the
Speaker 5: gym is, like where nobody really goes, you know, the
Speaker 5: art class basement shit like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just be have my hoodie on with my headphones.
Speaker 1: Is just being my own little girl.
Speaker 2: But I mean, of course there's stuff wrong with that.
Speaker 2: But I don't think what I'm saying is.
Speaker 3: What you're saying.
Speaker 2: It I skipped school all the time, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: to do progressive things. But I mean it's still with
Speaker 2: things that taught me about life. Like I wasn't literally
Speaker 2: just being like, yo, I'm so anxious just so I
Speaker 2: could trick my mom so I could play PS two
Speaker 2: for the rest of the day. Like that's where I'm
Speaker 2: saying the meta to hell shit could just be used
Speaker 2: and which is a perfect segue to yay, which we'll
Speaker 2: get to.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's what I'm more on the side of, Well, you're.
Speaker 2: Not about just because you don't feel like going to
Speaker 2: school that day doesn't mean that you're not going to.
Speaker 3: School that day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think that that makes sense. But your
Speaker 5: kids know how to manipulate you. You know how to
Speaker 5: manipulate your parents. I knew how to manipulate mine.
Speaker 1: On work system.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like your kids know how to manipulate you. So
Speaker 5: you could say, my kid won't be able to get
Speaker 5: this or get this one off, but your kid will
Speaker 5: be able to get one off, and as a parent,
Speaker 5: you just got to learn to.
Speaker 1: Deal with that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's it's not even your kid
Speaker 4: getting it off. I think you know when your kid
Speaker 4: is trying to be slick, and sometimes as a parent,
Speaker 4: you just feel like, you know what, you can stay home,
Speaker 4: but you know what they pulling. You know they're not sick.
Speaker 4: You're like, yo, you just had those days where kids
Speaker 4: just don't want to get it. You've had those days
Speaker 4: you don't want to get up, get dressed, go to school,
Speaker 4: like just was tired or whatever, but you weren't sick
Speaker 4: like I used to to pay I don't feel good,
Speaker 4: I feel great. I just didn't feel like getting on
Speaker 4: the train, going all the way to hall them and
Speaker 4: going to school. I didn't feel like doing that. But
Speaker 4: I wasn't sick. I wasn't at home coughing and it had
Speaker 4: a fever, none of that. I just I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: I gotta get I gotta go to school.
Speaker 5: Especially days like this, going to school, school outside, it's
Speaker 5: nasty outside.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is for what? But then I noticed.
Speaker 4: That there be times where you feel like that you
Speaker 4: go to school before you know the school day is over.
Speaker 1: School really isn't that bad? School is?
Speaker 5: I used to enjoy school when I was a kidd
Speaker 5: So school is fun. Some days it ain't, but school
Speaker 5: is usually fun, especially.
Speaker 4: School not fun like what was it about that day
Speaker 4: where it was like school didn't feel fun today? It
Speaker 4: was probably something petty like you ain't money, your homegirls
Speaker 4: was beefing about something.
Speaker 1: I wasn't speaking. But when you're in a.
Speaker 4: You liked like you saw him holding another girl's hand
Speaker 4: in all way like the other period, like now.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, this week sucks. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. This week is fine.
Speaker 4: Like you just are upset about something, and as a kid,
Speaker 4: you don't know how to handle your emotions and things
Speaker 4: like that, so you run from it. I don't want
Speaker 4: to go today. I'm not going to school. Why I
Speaker 4: don't feel good? That's not that's not why that boy
Speaker 4: didn't call you back, or he's he's flirting with another girl,
Speaker 4: or you don't want to deal with that. And I
Speaker 4: think as parents you know that because you dealt with
Speaker 4: it right, and then when it's your turn you have kids,
Speaker 4: you know like okay, and that's where you have the
Speaker 4: conversation with your kids, like, yo, so.
Speaker 1: What's going on, what's going on in school? What happened?
Speaker 2: Because you know it ain't that they sick. It's not
Speaker 2: your kid is not sick. Kid is fine.
Speaker 4: They just don't feel like dealing with the social aspect
Speaker 4: of being in the school today.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 3: Perfect segue. I don't know what it's like to be
Speaker 3: in school.
Speaker 2: Now with the phone, I can assume a lot more
Speaker 2: weird bullying, weird drama, shit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I wish I had a smart phone in high school,
Speaker 2: so I don't know smart Maybe I would need a
Speaker 2: mental health day if I had a smartphone in junior
Speaker 2: high and high school, Like, yeah, maybe I would have
Speaker 2: needed one. Because this is not I can't even escare
Speaker 2: all the way to midnight. I'm able to talk with
Speaker 2: everybody that I go to high school with.
Speaker 5: So they want to take the phrase they want to
Speaker 5: take the phones out of I mean, but I could
Speaker 5: we were talking.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but come on, when I was
Speaker 2: different between then and now.
Speaker 3: Facebook and Twitter we're big. When I was in high school, we.
Speaker 2: Had my Space and Facebook, but like it wasn't like
Speaker 2: we didn't live and breathe it.
Speaker 3: Now we lived and breathe Facebook.
Speaker 4: When I was envy, I envy kids being in high
Speaker 4: school now to have like Instagram and ship.
Speaker 1: Nah, I wish I had that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I imagine if I had a smartphone in between classes,
Speaker 4: I get the interview kids in the school by how
Speaker 4: they feeling, Like I would pod in between classes like
Speaker 4: real quick three minutes, like yo, so how you felt
Speaker 4: about that last class?
Speaker 1: You jacking the teacher?
Speaker 2: Jacking the teacher? I would be little. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Like social media. If I had it, I'm out there
Speaker 2: even doing like teacher recaps for the underclassmen, like you
Speaker 2: could go back a year to CEO, I took the
Speaker 2: same class.
Speaker 3: Look at all my reviews. Yeah, give me your teacher reviews.
Speaker 1: For the day.
Speaker 3: Well they have that.
Speaker 5: Well it's mainly in college rate my professor dot com
Speaker 5: because I used to use that. But these you have
Speaker 5: to understand these kids from what I see my friends kids,
Speaker 5: my ex'es daughter, like, they have so much pressure on
Speaker 5: them because, for example, the girls.
Speaker 3: Have it's just too much access.
Speaker 5: So now these eighteen year old girls, seventeen year old
Speaker 5: girls don't look eighteen, don't look seventeen.
Speaker 3: They got bussed on weaves.
Speaker 5: They out here wearing the same shit that we wearing
Speaker 5: we got the same fashion over a fucking outfit on
Speaker 5: and then the little boys that are competing with them
Speaker 5: are competing with these niggas that are playing fucking college hoops.
Speaker 5: Because everybody has access to everybody, everybody feels like they
Speaker 5: should look the way everybody else looks. On Instagram, there's
Speaker 5: no blurred lines of this person is an adult and
Speaker 5: this person is a teenager. It's very weird for them.
Speaker 5: The kids are coming home asking poor kids, not regular
Speaker 5: kids like not like well off kids, like poor kids.
Speaker 5: We from the hood niggas, These little niggas asking for
Speaker 5: Mary's for their birthday, for they fifteenth birthday for high school?
Speaker 3: What why you want thousand dollar jeans? Y're all competing,
Speaker 3: Like why are y'all?
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 3: It's very very.
Speaker 2: They don't notice, like two pairs black jeans, blue jeans,
Speaker 2: that's what you got that first that it lasts.
Speaker 5: For the whole year of school, the old the old schools,
Speaker 5: beef and BROCCOLI's. What was the first day of school
Speaker 5: shoes old schools, beef and broccoli.
Speaker 3: Even brocks on the first day.
Speaker 5: Per Jordan's it was old schools, old school white on whites. Uh,
Speaker 5: the air Force ones school we call them old schools.
Speaker 1: In Upstates, there was.
Speaker 2: Always that was always old schools.
Speaker 1: Old schools. That's crazy. I've never heard that before, white
Speaker 1: on whites or old schools.
Speaker 5: I didn't even notice that that was Upstate slang until
Speaker 5: y'all just didn't know what I was talking about old schools.
Speaker 1: I've never heard air forces we called old schools.
Speaker 2: And how cold did you said on the first day
Speaker 2: of school? You were in beefing brons We used to.
Speaker 5: They used to wear that ship like it was cool,
Speaker 5: like it was I love beefing like you didn't. There
Speaker 5: was no snow on the ground.
Speaker 2: Niggas just put the their version of trying to steal
Speaker 2: beefing brox is these so but the.
Speaker 3: First got mont Clear sneaker slash boots. I like these boots.
Speaker 1: Good boot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's elements outside, run.
Speaker 1: From police, jump over snow banks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Before we get to Kanye taking his mental health day
Speaker 2: from school, how did you guys handle handle the snowstorm?
Speaker 2: Because the marus was talking like we was locked up
Speaker 2: for a week. I had to remind her that the
Speaker 2: snow day was twelve hours.
Speaker 1: I know, but I ain't left the crib since Thursday
Speaker 1: when we recorded.
Speaker 2: I think because of your health scare, you were already
Speaker 2: like locked up and then you had a day of
Speaker 2: freedom and then parole came locking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to go right back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And like I said, like I was telling Rory, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: I love being single, Like being single is for me.
Speaker 5: But when all your homegirls is like they locked in
Speaker 5: with a nigga, you just in the house.
Speaker 3: I was in the house rocking like this.
Speaker 5: You only watched so much Law and Order, like you
Speaker 5: only deal with so much rape.
Speaker 3: So I'm just sitting in there, like, but that's.
Speaker 4: Why you got to get off a Law and Order
Speaker 4: and watch something else. You can't be watching a Law
Speaker 4: and Order and you locked in the house.
Speaker 2: That's torture, that's a snow that's a snow day special
Speaker 2: though order and a mental health is sick day.
Speaker 3: You just watched Long Order.
Speaker 5: But like three to four days I was in there, man,
Speaker 5: I was just cooking random shit like shit don't even
Speaker 5: go together. Why am I boiler apples? Like I'm just
Speaker 5: doing shit, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: Yo, I did the same fucking thing. I made wings
Speaker 2: in the crockpot. Early so they could cook for like
Speaker 2: six hours for the second game. And then I was
Speaker 2: just I bought all this food for no fucking reason.
Speaker 2: I started making bowling. A's and my daddy's like, wait,
Speaker 2: we got chicken wings over here.
Speaker 3: You about to make bowling it.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm making everything, just putting shit together today, probably.
Speaker 1: Up grocery shopping was dumb.
Speaker 4: I was like, I bought all I bought these groceries
Speaker 4: and I cooked breakfast.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 4: Everything else I was just like, you, dam I have
Speaker 4: nothing to eat, and I was just looking at shit
Speaker 4: in the fridge like bro.
Speaker 5: I did an insta car order. My original instacr order
Speaker 5: was one hundred and twenty dollars. My final receipt was
Speaker 5: only forty five dollars because nothing was available to the niggas.
Speaker 5: Ain't have avocados, green beans, green peppers, sliced cheese, sliced turkey.
Speaker 1: I said, you niggas with what day was? Day was this?
Speaker 3: This was Saturday morning?
Speaker 4: Oh nah, you're a rookie. I know was supposed to Friday, Thursday.
Speaker 4: Friday's supposed to get that Saturday morning. That's the apocalypse
Speaker 4: is twelve hours you supposed to get that days before.
Speaker 4: You wait till twelve twelve hours left before the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Nah, it ain't gonna be nothing on the shelves.
Speaker 4: My homegirls mitching Major shout to Mitchell Major that I
Speaker 4: told them Thursday. I'm like, Yo, listen, y'all better get
Speaker 4: some groceries because it's gonna be you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: Sunday is gonna be rough.
Speaker 1: Ye, I ain't gonna be like. It ain't gonna be nothing.
Speaker 1: They always say that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, guess who facetied me together Sunday afternoon?
Speaker 4: Agree to Why they ain't got no groceries. I'm looking
Speaker 4: at the phone. I told y'all Thursday, go get groceries.
Speaker 4: Everybody thought this storm Piege was another one, like, nah,
Speaker 4: this storm is weak.
Speaker 5: It is weak, but everybody else perception is everything. Everybody
Speaker 5: else acted like it was the worst shit in the world.
Speaker 5: So now groceries ain't available because everybody took it like
Speaker 5: everybody went great.
Speaker 1: No, the storm wasn't weak though. That was a legit
Speaker 1: snowstorm we.
Speaker 5: Got, Yeah, but it wasn't that bad. What I'm from upstate,
Speaker 5: that was nothing. If I get like today, I was
Speaker 5: able to walk outside it's not that bad.
Speaker 4: Well that's because they do a great job of, you know,
Speaker 4: shoveling the sidewalks and things like that. But it's a
Speaker 4: lot of snow outside for this era. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 4: lot of snow for the last four or five years. Yes,
Speaker 4: this was a lot.
Speaker 2: But back to kids that take mental health days, it
Speaker 2: was fine though, Like it really wasn't that that crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this used to be a very regular thing.
Speaker 1: But I was happy that.
Speaker 2: Major in them because I mean, they'll deliver I don't
Speaker 2: know what they deliver, food to meat or hurricane.
Speaker 4: Well Major Major had food from Saturday that she ordered
Speaker 4: and didn't eat, so she ate that Sunday, so she
Speaker 4: had to live like a fugitive for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure she's fine.
Speaker 3: Do you, I mean, I know not.
Speaker 2: Now, how do you decide who your companion is going
Speaker 2: to be for the snow day when you're.
Speaker 4: Single, you don't do what you've always done.
Speaker 2: She comes through that night and when you wake up,
Speaker 2: she snowed in.
Speaker 4: Nah, you're setting up for the no no no. If
Speaker 4: a girl came to see you Saturday, she knew she
Speaker 4: was staying with you all day Sunday.
Speaker 2: Fair no woman knew she was not leaving your house.
Speaker 2: But if you're like somebody like Pea's like, now, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: I'll just leave in the morning.
Speaker 2: Because there's been times with inclement weather that I went
Speaker 2: to somebody's house like I leave in the morning, and
Speaker 2: then there was no way I was leaving the rookies.
Speaker 1: I would never learning experience.
Speaker 4: I would never go to a woman's house planning to
Speaker 4: leave the next day when it's supposed to be a snowstorm.
Speaker 4: If I go to Onoe's house and the day before snowstorm,
Speaker 4: I plan on staying there through the snowstorm, there's no
Speaker 4: I'm stuck here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not stuck nowhere. Isn't grown man, it's not happening,
Speaker 1: all right. So see you did it, Dolo Dolo watched
Speaker 1: the games chilled in the crib. That was it, man.
Speaker 1: I had food. I had some hot cocoa.
Speaker 3: I was good. That it's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it, all right? You vegan so it
Speaker 1: was with water. That's nasty. You got me twisted. You
Speaker 1: think I drink hot chocolate with water? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What else would you do with oat milk? Same thing
Speaker 2: you put in your coffee? Yeah, that's it is vegan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: always got jeve water. Really carrots carrots is funny? Fuck
Speaker 2: up carrots all charity? You hate carrots all day Sunday.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I didn't think you were Rudolph.
Speaker 1: I just you know, no, yeah, be backing like yeah
Speaker 1: oat milky never had that's.
Speaker 3: Actually the only I've had it.
Speaker 1: I've had it. Well yeah, fire, okay.
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Speaker 1: Are bl.
Speaker 2: Well. Yes, back to our mental health day. Kanye finally
Speaker 2: took one and did a nice dissertation an op ed
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal. I believe this was took out. It
Speaker 2: took out a whole ad, because I don't even think
Speaker 2: it's an article.
Speaker 3: I just think he took out a long ass ad
Speaker 3: in the Wall Street Journal, starting out.
Speaker 2: With to those I've hurt, and I mean, I'll save
Speaker 2: everyone for the time for the most party, suggesting that
Speaker 2: after his accident that we all know started through the wire,
Speaker 2: he said that that damaged his frontal lobe, which could have,
Speaker 2: you know, led him to further further diagnosis of bipolar disorder.
Speaker 2: Doctors were telling me he had, you know, small signs
Speaker 2: of autism to begin, but he was suggesting that this
Speaker 2: went undiagnosed and untreated, and it led him to hurt
Speaker 2: a lot of people. It led him to loving the swastika.
Speaker 2: It's who owns lexus? Because I know Kanye hit his
Speaker 2: face on the steering wheel of his Lexus when he
Speaker 2: got in a car accident. I'm just curious how that
Speaker 2: landed on a swastika.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well, because he probably hit the lexus logo,
Speaker 4: and then and then it kind of good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like how you reversed the chat
Speaker 2: GBT logo and it turns in never mind. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he was apologizing for a lot of his behavior over
Speaker 2: the years. He's he understands that he's hurt a lot
Speaker 2: of people. He went into a long, long description of
Speaker 2: what bipolar is and how it's diagnosed, and how the
Speaker 2: doctors that he had suggested that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: And now his wife, after he hit rock bottom, suggested
Speaker 2: that he get some more help. And I think now
Speaker 2: he is fully accepted that he does have bipolar type
Speaker 2: one and he wanted to apologize to everyone the week
Speaker 2: before Bully comes out. So yeah, I don't forgive him no, no,
Speaker 2: I see, I want to see what you're gonna say,
Speaker 2: because everyone cares about mental health.
Speaker 3: It's time to care about mental health.
Speaker 1: Who's up?
Speaker 3: I like this because I.
Speaker 2: Think every white actor that has lost his fucking mind
Speaker 2: off drugs, done some wild shit on Hollywood Boulevard always
Speaker 2: has their moment when they sit down with fucking Diane
Speaker 2: Sawyer and like, yo, I was going crazy, I had
Speaker 2: mental health, and we.
Speaker 3: All wrap our arms around them and love them.
Speaker 1: No, we don't.
Speaker 2: White actors are allowed to have fucking mental breakdowns and
Speaker 2: then get right back to the place they were supposed
Speaker 2: to be. No. I have been on this pod saying
Speaker 2: millions of things I disagree with Kanye West about not true,
Speaker 2: But now I'm saying, why can't he get the same
Speaker 2: luxury as as as fucking other people?
Speaker 4: That's not true because if that's the case, nobody forgave
Speaker 4: mel Gibson for his rant.
Speaker 1: He was just on Joe Rogan where everyone's like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's go.
Speaker 4: I don't mean that, don't mean that, don't mean that.
Speaker 4: Don't mean people forgave him and wrap their arms around him.
Speaker 4: Nobody forgave whole Colgan he's still a racist.
Speaker 3: Well he's dead.
Speaker 4: He probably has more reason to have CTE and concussions
Speaker 4: than anybody.
Speaker 1: He's been getting body slams for seven or if you.
Speaker 2: Don't think people forgave Hulk Hogan, Hulk Hogan never had
Speaker 2: a never once did it bro when he died.
Speaker 4: When he died and people was posting about him on
Speaker 4: social media, they were people clowning people for that, like, oh,
Speaker 4: y'all are really okay?
Speaker 2: Social media is not a real place to what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what people saying. Where did he ever
Speaker 2: take a loss in fame, money, jobs?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 3: His career only went up.
Speaker 1: Never.
Speaker 2: The more videos we got him cucking someone else's wife
Speaker 2: and using the N word.
Speaker 1: Don't I think he got another w W deal. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think after that, Like, well, he was probably
Speaker 4: already done wrestling.
Speaker 3: He was definitely done.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean like he kept working. He was
Speaker 2: still the face of what wrestling was. He did commentating,
Speaker 2: like Hulk Hogan never went away. He had reality shows,
Speaker 2: he had.
Speaker 1: He didn't do no commentating talking about Yeah, like what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Because he's a heel. You guys don't understand the game,
Speaker 2: Like you don't understand the fact that people did not
Speaker 2: forgive him. You really think h Cogan was canceled people?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, people were mad that people were saying rest
Speaker 4: in peace to hole Kogan.
Speaker 3: Okay, but okay, so here's a godcast thing I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Here's this thing. Negativity tends to be commented, right. People
Speaker 5: don't comment good things. The only common bad things. So
Speaker 5: if you go in a comment section and it's full
Speaker 5: of bad things. It doesn't mean that people only think
Speaker 5: bad things. It just means that people who have negative opinions,
Speaker 5: I'm more likely to comment. That doesn't mean that nobody
Speaker 5: forgave him. That's not true. There's plenty of people, I'm sure.
Speaker 5: I'm sure some of his hardcore fans, the majority of him.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that, look at the audience. They don't care
Speaker 5: about him being racist. He was never forgiven for that though,
Speaker 5: And I'm about our community. He was never forgiven for that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a that's in our community.
Speaker 2: But he probably had He probably had a lot of
Speaker 2: black front to lob a juries.
Speaker 1: He probably had concussions.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he could have used the same excuse
Speaker 4: of I hit my head and my frontal low was there.
Speaker 3: He could have.
Speaker 5: But everybody has always known that. Kanye's family has been
Speaker 5: coming out and saying that he was bipolar for years
Speaker 5: and that he needs to take meds.
Speaker 3: He was the one fighting against it.
Speaker 5: But people have come out forever and said Kanye is bipolar,
Speaker 5: he needs to take mets.
Speaker 3: That's not like that. This isn't a new like thing.
Speaker 2: No, his mania, even twenty fifteen, he was doing stuff
Speaker 2: with stone Cold Steve Austen as WW tough is enough
Speaker 2: that he was a commentator on like He's he kept going,
Speaker 2: he was a judge.
Speaker 1: He was a judge on the sixth season of this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't get canceled when the when by this
Speaker 5: by yourself fan base. So Hogan can't be canceled by
Speaker 5: black people, like that's not his main fan base. Kank
Speaker 5: just the same thing, Like Kanye can't be completely canceled
Speaker 5: by white people like they white people. If all white
Speaker 5: people start hitting Kanye, it doesn't mean that Kanye is canceled.
Speaker 5: Kanye came from the black community. We brought him up
Speaker 5: and pitched him, so it's up to suggested to cancel him.
Speaker 3: And we did not do that.
Speaker 5: We tried, we fake tried, but we never collectively came
Speaker 5: and canceled Kanye, like Kanye was not really canceled.
Speaker 4: Oh you can be canceled. You wake up and see
Speaker 4: that being't in your account no more, that's canceled. That's
Speaker 4: the only cancel. I can't okay what you think is
Speaker 4: the social media.
Speaker 2: I'm curious because you that is good or I've been canceled.
Speaker 2: You've said for years on podcasts in which I've agreed
Speaker 2: and been staying corrected a lot of times with you,
Speaker 2: Like when we went to the Daniel Caesar show at
Speaker 2: in an Arena, You've said nobody has ever been canceled,
Speaker 2: Like you can't really get canceled.
Speaker 1: Hogan was not canceled.
Speaker 4: I will say, I say, your fans don't cancel you, Okay,
Speaker 4: people that supported you. Whenever you see somebody being canceled
Speaker 4: or people calling for somebody to be canceled, nine times
Speaker 4: out of ten, it's somebody that never even supported them.
Speaker 4: It's never your fans. Because if you say something right now, Rory,
Speaker 4: your fans not on Netflix, well not on Netflix, but
Speaker 4: your fans probably know the context. They probably know you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't supported me. They know you. They follow you. Now,
Speaker 1: somebody that don't know you know, followed.
Speaker 4: They just hear something here a clip They were, oh
Speaker 4: what is he?
Speaker 1: Oh he's canceled.
Speaker 4: They don't know you, they don't know the tone, they
Speaker 4: don't know the context, they don't know they don't get
Speaker 4: your humor. So when you see people trying to be canceled,
Speaker 4: calling if for somebody to be canceled, find somewhere would
Speaker 4: they ever even supported who they were trying to cancel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's why I said I stand corrected when
Speaker 2: you've said that before. So that's why I'm going with
Speaker 2: the same logic that you have here. I don't think
Speaker 2: hul Cogan was ever really canceled. I think when he died, yes,
Speaker 2: there was people on Twitter that were mad, especially at
Speaker 2: black people, that were saying the rest in peace to him,
Speaker 2: But I don't think that equates.
Speaker 3: To him being canceled per se.
Speaker 2: And Kanye, for the most part, if you were to
Speaker 2: have a definition of it, yes, it would be him
Speaker 2: going on Drink Champs and saying I could say anti
Speaker 2: Semitic things and Adidas would never drop me, and then
Speaker 2: Adidas dropped him the fucking two days later.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a vert.
Speaker 2: But not all of us have access to things that
Speaker 2: can really be canceled more or less. Like I don't
Speaker 2: have a billion dollars and if a company has the
Speaker 2: ability to take that away from me, yeah, you kind
Speaker 2: of just fucking canceled me. But Kanye, in his own right,
Speaker 2: despite even the insane things he's done, is an extremely
Speaker 2: creative and smart guy. Even if you take a billion
Speaker 2: dollars from him, He's going to find a way to
Speaker 2: make fun money. He's not a fluke as far as creativity.
Speaker 1: No, No, he's talent. His talent is legit. So why this?
Speaker 1: Why this? Now?
Speaker 3: Do we think this is something that he actually feels?
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 4: The one thing that I don't like about this the
Speaker 4: whole ad or page in a Wall Street. All of
Speaker 4: this is performative to me if Kanye, because I don't
Speaker 4: we I think we all in this room, Kanye did
Speaker 4: not write none of this. We know that he approved it.
Speaker 4: He read it and said, okay, put it out. Those
Speaker 4: are not his words.
Speaker 2: Now he's admitted to ghost writers before. Now I think rhyme,
Speaker 2: fester consequence. Really, I think that that wasn't a shot.
Speaker 4: If he felt like this, right, if he felt like this,
Speaker 4: If this is indeed, why won't he just say it?
Speaker 4: He can go live on his social media, he can
Speaker 4: put out a post a video and just saying like, yo, listen,
Speaker 4: I got help, you know whatever whatever this and then
Speaker 4: the Belly the Bully album coming up.
Speaker 2: It's just performative. This is just promo. This feels like promo.
Speaker 2: It feels performative.
Speaker 4: It feels like, you know, because we know Kanye and
Speaker 4: we know that when he does this, it'sues because he's
Speaker 4: getting ready to sell us something. So now it's like
Speaker 4: the boy cry wolf. I don't look at this, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn yay. Like Damara said, we been kind
Speaker 4: of saying these things about Kanye. Hear is like, yo,
Speaker 4: is he all right? He seems to be you know,
Speaker 4: his emotions all over the place, like is he okay?
Speaker 4: Like he need to get help things. So, yes, we've
Speaker 4: been saying these things because we're watching it and from
Speaker 4: our lens, it looked like this was somebody that we
Speaker 4: once knew and then now this is a whole different person.
Speaker 4: Something seems a bit off about this person. Cool, now,
Speaker 4: if this is in fact true and all that. First
Speaker 4: of all, we hope that he's getting the help that
Speaker 4: he needs. We hope that, you know, he physically, that
Speaker 4: he's getting better than taking care of himself. I don't
Speaker 4: think that he should be in a state like this
Speaker 4: and you know, jumping right back into putting out music,
Speaker 4: because then now you have to you know, you have
Speaker 4: to travel, you have to perform, you have to do this,
Speaker 4: you have to do that, And it's like okay, but
Speaker 4: now you're putting mental phys health to the back burner
Speaker 4: of the rigorous grind of I have something to sell,
Speaker 4: I have music out, I have to perform. I have
Speaker 4: to be away from family, friends, you know, doctors or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like take if this is really what it is, take
Speaker 4: the time to address this, get better, because now cool,
Speaker 4: all these words have said.
Speaker 1: We read this beautiful Wall Street.
Speaker 4: Ad and all of this. What happens if a month
Speaker 4: from now we get another rent and after the Bully
Speaker 4: album is out and you know, we all hear it
Speaker 4: and love.
Speaker 1: It or hate it. What happens when we get the
Speaker 1: next rant?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, then what is it like? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm just like, I get it.
Speaker 4: But to me, Wall Street Ad and all it it
Speaker 4: just feels a little, a little stage, a little performative.
Speaker 1: So I know.
Speaker 2: He did an interview with Justin Leboy again, which by
Speaker 2: the time we're recording this, I don't think it's out,
Speaker 2: but the idea and see a clip yesterday that he
Speaker 2: was talking about Bully being very positive. He felt like
Speaker 2: it's his miseducation as far as every bar mattering, there's
Speaker 2: nothing wasted there.
Speaker 3: It is all about positivity.
Speaker 2: He said, it's more like his Narls Barkley type of
Speaker 2: album more than it would be eight A Weights because
Speaker 2: Ata Waits even had Heartbreak in it, it was not
Speaker 2: negative per se, but there's I mean, even if you
Speaker 2: get into the depths of atow Eights and where that
Speaker 2: even goes with the devil, it's dark tones. He's saying
Speaker 2: this is very much as positive and happy moment, and
Speaker 2: then the next day he puts this out, I'm with
Speaker 2: you more of its performative because he's trying to sell
Speaker 2: us something. But what's wrong if artists do that? Like
Speaker 2: even when Frank Ocean, Even when Frank Ocean came out
Speaker 2: and said, Yo, you.
Speaker 1: Using mental health, I'm as an excuse for your actions.
Speaker 2: I don't think mental health gives you an excuse to
Speaker 2: be an asshole, but it is a conversation to be had.
Speaker 2: And I think Yay has had been an habitual line
Speaker 2: crosser with all of that. And I'm not here to
Speaker 2: defend Kanye in anything that he has said, even with
Speaker 2: the excuse of mental health, because he clearly did ignore
Speaker 2: it even when the people around.
Speaker 3: Him were trying to tell him.
Speaker 2: But if you get into bipolar this, and that doesn't
Speaker 2: change anything, but some acknowledgment here. This is the most
Speaker 2: humble we've ever seen Kanye. But I'm with you. I
Speaker 2: don't think he wrote a word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most humble. This is the most humble. He
Speaker 1: didn't write that. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Some people can feel a way and not know how
Speaker 5: to articulate their thoughts, right. Some people just suck at
Speaker 5: articulating their thoughts. We've seen from people in this room,
Speaker 5: and sometimes when you're trying to explain yourself and you're
Speaker 5: not good at it, you make sure.
Speaker 2: Kanye is very good at articulating his thoughts may probably
Speaker 2: one of the best people ever.
Speaker 5: Can be good articulating your thoughts in a rap about
Speaker 5: a subject.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it wasn't no beat on when he articulated
Speaker 4: somebody's thoughts.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is when you're talking about something that's
Speaker 5: sensitive to you, that you're still dealing with inside yourself.
Speaker 5: And I'm not making excuses for Kanye, just generalized. It
Speaker 5: can be. We come on this podcast and talk about
Speaker 5: shit every day. Shit just fly out our mouth. We're witty,
Speaker 5: we're funny, we're quick when we're talking about something that
Speaker 5: has affected our lives. We ruined our lives. I've ruined
Speaker 5: my family. Yeah, my words don't come out as smoothly,
Speaker 5: so I might need some help. I don't think that
Speaker 5: there's anything wrong with that. I'd rather him do that
Speaker 5: than to go sit in front of a computer and
Speaker 5: let his thoughts and his mouth run away with him,
Speaker 5: and then he says something in the wrong way and
Speaker 5: it's articulated wrong. People take it the wrong way, so
Speaker 5: they write it up how they want it to be heard. No,
Speaker 5: he went and got a professional. This is how I feel.
Speaker 5: Can you make this sound good? I don't think that
Speaker 5: there's anything wrong with that. I don't think I don't
Speaker 5: think it makes it any less sincere.
Speaker 1: Pr, Yeah, that's publicist, that's what they do.
Speaker 2: And even with this, Justin the boyd that it's gonna
Speaker 2: come out probably on his channel or whatever. The last
Speaker 2: few ones did they have the edit button, Like he
Speaker 2: can go on a rant and then they can, you know,
Speaker 2: Justin the Boy and be like oh damn, like they'll
Speaker 2: they'll find a way to cure it.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that's bad.
Speaker 2: But I'm asking if you think this is from a
Speaker 2: genuine place, or is this now, because Kanye becomes the
Speaker 2: theme of every album if you've noticed, and I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to do the Kanye nerd thing, but yeesus. He
Speaker 2: became that fucking brash, insane person for that project. Might
Speaker 2: be with Dark Swiss to Fantasy, he became the cool,
Speaker 2: suave we only wearing suits.
Speaker 3: He becomes what the album is. He's a manic fucking artist.
Speaker 2: Because Bully is supposed to be so positive and now
Speaker 2: he's sitting with Justin le Boyce saying it's his miseducation.
Speaker 2: Is this just a rollout or is this really where
Speaker 2: his brain is at?
Speaker 1: It's a rollout.
Speaker 5: I've never seen Kanye apologize for a fuck thing he's
Speaker 5: ever said. What Kanye be out here apologizing for shit
Speaker 5: that he say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's apologized before.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's up. We've all apologized before, but Kanye
Speaker 5: has never the latest. Kanye has never taken full accountability
Speaker 5: for his mental health and the horrible ship that he
Speaker 5: said in the way that it's affected.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say, you're right there.
Speaker 4: He's never directly, you know, attached it to mental health
Speaker 4: and the car accident and frontal load damage and all
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 5: I think no, I think the frontal load damnite ship.
Speaker 5: I think that's a cop out. Me person, I think
Speaker 5: that that's a cop I.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why?
Speaker 4: I think it's old the cop out because if we
Speaker 4: roll the tay back when he did the whole gotcha,
Speaker 4: it seemed like you knew exactly what the fuck he
Speaker 4: was doing and saying, then when you this with the
Speaker 4: gotcha moment, when you lost all that money, it was like,
Speaker 4: oh God, I told you they controlled everything.
Speaker 1: Look they took all my money. It was like he knew.
Speaker 4: He was very aware and cognizant of what he was
Speaker 4: doing and saying I'm doing this on purpose to show y'all, Yes,
Speaker 4: they run everything. Watch when I start saying this, watch
Speaker 4: they take everything from me, gotcha.
Speaker 2: And right to Maul's point, I did want to say,
Speaker 2: that's very calculated, that's too low. Clears the motherfucker itough.
Speaker 2: This is this another version of because I think again,
Speaker 2: not trying to be the yays of genius, him not
Speaker 2: saying that he wanted to see what it was like
Speaker 2: to be fucking canceled. He knew what he was doing
Speaker 2: and everything that he was saying with everybody, Cameron said,
Speaker 2: on his podcast. I was just with Kanye, He's not
Speaker 2: crazy what he's putting on.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 4: Kanye is crazy at all. I think Kanye got to
Speaker 4: a level where he thought and forgot his place. You're
Speaker 4: still a black man. You don't control this. Yeah, you're
Speaker 4: very talented, talented, creative. You can create anything and sell it. Yes,
Speaker 4: but don't get it twisted. You're still a black man
Speaker 4: in America. Bro, there's still a pecking overer here. So
Speaker 4: you have to still walk a certain way, talk a
Speaker 4: certain way. You can't just be out here doing and
Speaker 4: saying whatever you want because you sold a bunch of
Speaker 4: sneakers for Adidas.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: Michael Droon sold a ship ton of sneakers from Miike.
Speaker 1: Mike Ain never said what Kanye's.
Speaker 3: Republicans naka.
Speaker 1: Quickly Republicans.
Speaker 2: I think Kanye was actually pretty lucid, even with a
Speaker 2: bipolar brain, lucid in what he was doing with everything
Speaker 2: he said after drink Champs, with the anti Semitic stuff.
Speaker 2: Is this still part of that experiment to see what
Speaker 2: it is like to get out of being canceled. Is
Speaker 2: this is he literally doing because he brings up the
Speaker 2: Truman Show all the time.
Speaker 4: See all he does is that's that's what happens when
Speaker 4: you every polar brain, though.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was about to bring up. I'm
Speaker 3: you guys are describing.
Speaker 5: Hey, he wants to feel like what it's like to
Speaker 5: be canceled and then clime out of the cancelation.
Speaker 3: That's bipolar manager shit.
Speaker 2: He brings up the Truman Show his whole career, and
Speaker 2: you can even he talks about with a bipolar brain,
Speaker 2: how it can feel like that without bringing up the
Speaker 2: Truman Show? Is this his version of getting out of that, Like,
Speaker 2: let me say all the right things. And in a
Speaker 2: time when we've cared about mental health more than any time,
Speaker 2: it's been an excuse for everybody anytime anyone crashes out,
Speaker 2: can't do nothing, Oh it's because of mental health. So
Speaker 2: now he can take this time to prove his fucking
Speaker 2: point and experiment in his bipolar brain that I'll just
Speaker 2: say all the right things. He even said with some
Speaker 2: of the bully clips before the justin leaboy shit, I'll
Speaker 2: just go back to doing the so shit, he'll be back.
Speaker 2: I'll just say all the right things.
Speaker 4: I'm just being that's a very, very thought out process.
Speaker 4: You have to be on a certain clear headed, consciousness
Speaker 4: thinking level to be able to think that far and
Speaker 4: come up with a plan and then execute that plan. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Kanye doesn't have some mental health issues
Speaker 4: or some mental health things he needs to address. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that I would never write that off. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, with all of this, the Wall Street ad
Speaker 4: and all of this, and you know, you can't expect
Speaker 4: me to be like, oh, okay, well then not. I
Speaker 4: totally understand. That's like, no, I get it. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying he don't have mental health issues. But what's going
Speaker 4: to happen after all of this ad and the bully
Speaker 4: come out and then we're back to another rent.
Speaker 5: That's if it happens. You talking about in the future.
Speaker 5: We don't know if that's going to happen. You can
Speaker 5: only speak on what's going on right now, what you've
Speaker 5: already seen.
Speaker 2: Let's play the odds here, what are the odds that
Speaker 2: he is going to have another run?
Speaker 5: So I think there is there. There's definitely a odd
Speaker 5: that he will have another rant. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: he's about to have a whole interview.
Speaker 3: If he has.
Speaker 5: Another rant, it doesn't take away from what he said.
Speaker 5: If I'm I said that, if I'm bipolar and mannicut,
Speaker 5: I'm in the process of ruining my life, and then
Speaker 5: I get I med and look back and be like, oh, fuck, y'all,
Speaker 5: I ruined my life. Let me come out and apologize
Speaker 5: for it. It doesn't mean that I'll never be manned again.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that I'll never make another sage decision.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, what is all
Speaker 1: of this for? Though?
Speaker 4: But what is the ad and all? That's so back
Speaker 4: to what I'm saying. It just feels performative. It feels
Speaker 4: too as part of the whole, you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a You're probably right, but I'm going to
Speaker 5: give them the benefit of the doubt because anybody else
Speaker 5: get the fucking benefit of it doubt.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's what I started with. We've seen
Speaker 2: this with so many white actors and people that have
Speaker 2: lost their fucking minds. They never got any second chances
Speaker 2: after they pulled moves like this where they got the
Speaker 2: whole PR team to tell them exactly what to say,
Speaker 2: put them in front of the right person. And now
Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, you can start back in movies. You're
Speaker 2: fine now you listen, you were in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Black people have not really gotten that luxury when they've
Speaker 2: had mental breakdowns. That's kind of been specifically for the
Speaker 2: rich white So yeah, I mean, if they can do it,
Speaker 2: I can't, Hey, post something in the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 2: and do the same pr move that everyone else does.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying me as a person just looking at this, this
Speaker 4: just feels too as part of the play.
Speaker 3: Which again I think a couple of things can be true.
Speaker 2: But separating from Kanye, do you think this is wrong
Speaker 2: for artists to do in general and not take advantage
Speaker 2: of mental health? And again, I think that's a gray
Speaker 2: area with what Kanye is doing right now, down to
Speaker 2: the Frank Ocean announcing he's gay on Tumbler right before
Speaker 2: Channel Orange. A lot of artists the only time they
Speaker 2: want to speak is when they're putting out their music.
Speaker 3: They speak to their music like they have to promote it.
Speaker 3: There has to be a rollout.
Speaker 2: I kind of hate when artists get that flat, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're doing this for the rollout. Everything's a rollout, this
Speaker 2: for the rollout. A lot of artists up until the
Speaker 2: TikTok era did kind of mind they fucking business. I
Speaker 2: know there was the DVD era, the blog era, this
Speaker 2: and that Instagram whatever, But for the most part, artists
Speaker 2: say the biggest things when they're trying to sell something.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's wrong with it? And a lot of times
Speaker 2: a lot of artists, with the things they have to say,
Speaker 2: ends up feeling okay to say after you record an
Speaker 2: album that has to do with the themes in the
Speaker 2: subject matter of what you're getting at, even down.
Speaker 3: To like.
Speaker 2: The song that is one of the funniest things you
Speaker 2: said that when Forrest Gump came on from Channel Orange,
Speaker 2: was in the shower and you almost wrap yourself around
Speaker 2: the curtain de lead turning that shit off. But who's
Speaker 2: to say that Frank didn't feel better about coming out
Speaker 2: after writing that song, Like sometimes that can empower somebody
Speaker 2: to say certain things about what is happening. So yeah,
Speaker 2: do I think there's a lot of artists that are
Speaker 2: calling paparazzi or fabricating making up these drama things like, oh,
Speaker 2: we have to just get the internet talking when I
Speaker 2: sell some of course I'm not stupid, but I do
Speaker 2: give a little bit more flat two artists like Frank
Speaker 2: Kanye to a degree because Kanye kind of is the
Speaker 2: reason we're all here, or with these dramatic rollouts, but
Speaker 2: sometimes that's the only time they want to speak. So
Speaker 2: and if I have to sell something, and I'm not
Speaker 2: a marketer, I'm an artist. I sit in the studio
Speaker 2: and make music. I don't know how to market. The
Speaker 2: only thing I know how to do is be myself
Speaker 2: and talk about what's going on in my life. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that with y'all until it's
Speaker 2: time for me to come out of my hole, which
Speaker 2: is in the studio. That's the time I'm going to
Speaker 2: get on every one of these platforms.
Speaker 4: But the only problem I have with that is the algorithm.
Speaker 4: Everybody's playing the algorithm game.
Speaker 3: Have no choice.
Speaker 4: How do you get into the algorith How do you
Speaker 4: get to the top of the algorithm. And we know
Speaker 4: that the algorithm rewards negativity, that's what makes it to
Speaker 4: the top of the algorithm. You disrespect somebody, somebody has
Speaker 4: a fight somebody, you know, whatever. That's what makes it
Speaker 4: to the top of the algorithm. Disrespect, negative energy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: My only thing with Kanye is I feel like he
Speaker 4: knew that. So a lot of the things he said
Speaker 4: were disrespect absolutely, That's how he controlled the whole. You know,
Speaker 4: He's at the top of everyone's algorithm. You couldn't open
Speaker 4: your phone, you couldn't go on social media and not
Speaker 4: see Kanye at the top.
Speaker 1: Right. So, now, not in.
Speaker 4: His personal business, but I think it's safe to say
Speaker 4: that he may have taken the hit financially for some
Speaker 4: of the things that he did and said over the lot, right,
Speaker 4: just a small smoke, just a little bit, just a
Speaker 4: little bit, right, cool.
Speaker 2: And personally and personally because you also have to understand
Speaker 2: he well no longer is married, but is tied in
Speaker 2: he is for the rest of his well, I was
Speaker 2: going to get to his ex woo. Yes he's married
Speaker 2: to Bianca. Yes, since sorry, yeah married, My apologies. He
Speaker 2: was married to a conglomerate, like, let's remember that as well,
Speaker 2: which affects everything that has to do with his personal life.
Speaker 2: His personal life became a conglomerate by his choice. I'm
Speaker 2: not giving him sympathy. Trust me, that was his fucking
Speaker 2: choice as a grown ass man. But that, yeah, that
Speaker 2: affects the Kardashian billionaire conglomerate. Not saying it's Adidas, but
Speaker 2: it ain't that fucking far away from it. Now that
Speaker 2: affects you seeing your kids and then your own personal
Speaker 2: money is fucked.
Speaker 4: Up based off the things you said. Yeah, because again
Speaker 4: you get caught up in this negative thing. When I
Speaker 4: say some negative is right to the top of the algorithm,
Speaker 4: right cool? Now you give us this in the Wall
Speaker 4: Street at yo. You know mental health frontal load damage.
Speaker 4: I didn't know undiagnosed.
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 4: And if that's real, we understand that, like damn, that's
Speaker 4: you know, it's fucked up that that went undiagnosed all
Speaker 4: of these years. Hopefully he's addressing that and getting help
Speaker 4: for that. My thing is, why are we attaching that
Speaker 4: to him? Why do you have to attach that to
Speaker 4: sell something? Though, like Kanye's talent speaks for itself at
Speaker 4: this point, Kanye don't have to do none of this
Speaker 4: to sell something. Kanye could just announced an album at
Speaker 4: midnight and the numbers are gonna do what the numbers
Speaker 4: are gonna do.
Speaker 1: I agree, So that's when I have a problem with this.
Speaker 4: Like all of this role you don't need to use
Speaker 4: this as an angle for your rollout to sell something.
Speaker 3: But this is the thing.
Speaker 5: You can't confirm that that's your opinion of what he's doing,
Speaker 5: but bouncing off the back of that's what it is,
Speaker 5: Bully is coming.
Speaker 3: Okay, understood that.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is he could have wanted to
Speaker 5: say this for five months, right, So then say it no,
Speaker 5: Because this is the thing, y'all, especially when everybody hates
Speaker 5: you or you feel like everybody hates you.
Speaker 3: Right, let's reality versus your perception.
Speaker 5: If you feel like everybody hates you, and on top
Speaker 5: of that, you feel like you don't really owe people shit,
Speaker 5: and people are gonna talk shit about you anyway. People
Speaker 5: are gonna sit on their podcast and not believe what
Speaker 5: the fuck you're saying. Anyway. Okay, if that's the case,
Speaker 5: I'm going to use that to my advantage. If I
Speaker 5: was an artist, I would do that too. I'm not
Speaker 5: over here trying to convince y'all that I'm being that
Speaker 5: I'm being real, or that I'm being authentic, because y'all
Speaker 5: are gonna believe me or y'all aren't gonna believe me.
Speaker 5: But if this, if I'm gonna come out and be
Speaker 5: vulnerable with you when I've given you so much of myself, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna attach it to my album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to.
Speaker 4: I don't have to improve to y'all that I'm being authored.
Speaker 4: I don't try to sell me something. Improve and be authentic.
Speaker 5: So you're saying you will believe it, you will believe
Speaker 5: this if Bully was coming in.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that you would believe it or wouldn't believe it,
Speaker 4: no matter if the album was coming out or not.
Speaker 3: You believe it if Bully was coming a year from now.
Speaker 5: So then what's the point, Like, that's what if you're
Speaker 5: not gonna believe it, You're not believe is.
Speaker 4: Because I think a lot of people feel like I feel,
Speaker 4: which is like they don't matter that you have an
Speaker 4: album coming next week, but we don't care. You could
Speaker 4: have told us this, like I said, I didn't need
Speaker 4: this whole pr you know, press release thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't need that.
Speaker 4: I would rather open my phone and see Kanye speaking
Speaker 4: directly into a camera and being vulnerable, not no edit,
Speaker 4: but none of that, and be like Yo, listen, man,
Speaker 4: I said some things to me that would feel more
Speaker 4: genuine in some words. And I'm reading in the world.
Speaker 4: I don't even read the Wall Street Journal, and I
Speaker 4: know you'll start there. I don't even I don't even
Speaker 4: read that picture.
Speaker 2: There's a group of people that read it. There's a
Speaker 2: group of people that, of course see his ship. His
Speaker 2: frontal low was opening up. Next, I just start opening opening.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying, this is we know what
Speaker 2: this is. Let's just stop acting like we don't. Kanye
Speaker 2: don't have to do no promo Kanye, but Kanye on
Speaker 2: his on his Instagram, they could just say Bully, that's it,
Speaker 2: not and the numbers that's gonna do.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have the number one album.
Speaker 3: Nope, which you mean no, I don't know about him
Speaker 3: having enough.
Speaker 1: Giveless Bad Buddy run another commercial.
Speaker 2: That would be the I think his album's coming out
Speaker 2: February eighth. I think it's coming around the same fucking like.
Speaker 1: The only reason Kanye ain't got the number one album is.
Speaker 2: If everything after super Bowl is gonna be number one
Speaker 2: for Bad Bunny. But all right, with that said, Kanye
Speaker 2: has surpassed that. Of course, anything with Kanye, that happens
Speaker 2: with us in this room. He doesn't need to do
Speaker 2: a rollout. We are going to see it. I even
Speaker 2: have Vultures too in my fucking laptop, and I don't
Speaker 2: even think it got released, and I'm saying they sent
Speaker 2: it to me. It was just leaked. With I pay
Speaker 2: attention what I'm saying now. Kanye is so super past
Speaker 2: that entire thing. That's why he's one of the highest
Speaker 2: streamed people on Spotify history. Even if he's twenty five.
Speaker 2: That's still crazy. With that said, he with all his
Speaker 2: comments about the Jewish community and everything, does need to
Speaker 2: address that to sell the album because I think Bully
Speaker 2: would go to deaf Ears. By deaf ears, I mean
Speaker 2: just the type of people in this room that pay
Speaker 2: its chance to hip hop. I'll tell you this, My
Speaker 2: mom and her best friend were in my car. Wait,
Speaker 2: let me finish. This is Kanye you told them about
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you people.
Speaker 1: Don't Kanye puts out an album tomorrow his fans.
Speaker 2: Can we look up what Vultures did. Vultures Won that
Speaker 2: came out on DSPs. Let's look at the numbers. You
Speaker 2: think that one number one one nowhere near number one.
Speaker 2: How did he release I don't even remember the last
Speaker 2: Kanye West album that went number one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, number one ain't as easy to come by as
Speaker 5: like we think, well Kanye, no.
Speaker 4: For Kanye either, Well, Kanye got kind of the way
Speaker 4: he was releasing Ship and putting it out.
Speaker 1: You didn't know if it was out, if it was not.
Speaker 1: It did go to number one.
Speaker 2: It no hip hip hop guys. I'm talking about number one,
Speaker 2: where Kanye used to.
Speaker 5: Be Billboard two hundred Albums chart number one on the
Speaker 5: Billboard two hundred.
Speaker 1: Ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 2: At that time, when Taylor Swift was coming out that
Speaker 2: Kanye West was number.
Speaker 5: One, forget this Okay, We're back, Rory was wrong.
Speaker 2: Completely fucking wrong. Vultures spent number one on Billboard for
Speaker 2: two weeks. Carnival I was an incredible record, I was.
Speaker 2: I was talking more about that album. Yeah, I spent
Speaker 2: two weeks there. What was the first week sales Josh
Speaker 2: one forty eight thousand, which is incredible, Okay, but I
Speaker 2: still think that's lower numbers one forty eight for Kanye album.
Speaker 2: And my point was that I was getting to was
Speaker 2: the Pete Davidson in Game song is the one that
Speaker 2: went the craziest for Kanye when it came to the
Speaker 2: news outside of the numbers, when he said, uh, Pete
Speaker 2: Davison dies at AIDS and put the video out that
Speaker 2: my mom and her friend listened to that records like,
Speaker 2: did you hear about the new Kanye, the one with
Speaker 2: game Mom? That's the one you're talking about, because they
Speaker 2: were talking about Pete Davidson and all the gossip shit.
Speaker 2: So I was saying, to your point of Yeay, being
Speaker 2: in that negative algorithm shit, he has to do stuff
Speaker 2: like this to get to that next level.
Speaker 4: Kanye doesn't have to do anything, and that's the point,
Speaker 4: and I think that's the point that people have to
Speaker 4: understand by.
Speaker 2: Okay, but do you also remember Vultures, which I was
Speaker 2: completely wrong about. Do you remember the Vultures rollout? Uh?
Speaker 1: He had every.
Speaker 2: Fucking right wing streamer. They were in that hotel room
Speaker 2: streaming for fucking seven days. They were kicking women out
Speaker 2: the fucking room. They were doing the Andrew tape rollout everything.
Speaker 2: It was the most negative shit. So I'm saying he
Speaker 2: still has to do stuff Vultures did.
Speaker 3: I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Vultures went number one. But now to that point, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had a insanely negative rollout and a very public one.
Speaker 2: So you're saying he doesn't need to do that, Yes
Speaker 2: he does. He needed to do that to make Vultures
Speaker 2: be number one.
Speaker 1: No, because every other album went number one before that
Speaker 1: and he didn't.
Speaker 3: You don't remember all his antics through every album.
Speaker 4: Ever, I'm saying he didn't have to do what he
Speaker 4: did as far as a rollout on the Vultures album.
Speaker 4: And I'm saying you don't have to promo your stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I think Kanye West is at a point
Speaker 4: in his career now with these things, these all the
Speaker 4: tricks and things that every other artist has to do.
Speaker 4: He does not have to do that. He invented those tricks, though,
Speaker 4: but I'm saying he doesn't. He no longer has to
Speaker 4: do that. He can just again Instagram yay Bully, So
Speaker 4: all white letters, black background, Bully. That will be enough
Speaker 4: people know the album is coming.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: This is Kanye West, one of the most influential artists
Speaker 4: of his time. He doesn't influential. He doesn't have to
Speaker 4: do these things that everybody else is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do that. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 5: But you have no baseline for the past. Let's say
Speaker 5: past ten years, right, you have no wait ten years,
Speaker 5: how long would it be damn time flying? Okay, let's
Speaker 5: say past five years, five to ten whatever. You have
Speaker 5: no baseline of him not doing wild shit to sell
Speaker 5: album to say he doesn't need to be wild shit
Speaker 5: to sell Twenty.
Speaker 3: Years of Kanye's career has been that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, He's always done wild So you can't say Kanye's.
Speaker 1: Always done wild shit to sell the album. This is
Speaker 1: this is this is.
Speaker 4: This is recast, this is really he hasn't always done
Speaker 4: wild ship to sell the album.
Speaker 5: But past ten years in the in the age of
Speaker 5: the you need the internet to sell albums.
Speaker 4: Or or because the algorithm awards negativity. Okay, that is
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. He doesn't do negativity. Does he still
Speaker 4: sell the same that was rory?
Speaker 1: I think yes, So this is Kanye.
Speaker 4: See before the before the algorithm, he was selling shipload
Speaker 4: of records, influencing all artists. After the algorithm, yes he doesn't.
Speaker 4: He does not. He became a victim of that, he
Speaker 4: fell into that. I think he didn't need to do that,
Speaker 4: and I think now he's realizing he didn't have to
Speaker 4: go that far. He didn't have to do all of
Speaker 4: that negative shit he was doing and saying those things
Speaker 4: he was doing.
Speaker 2: Actually think this is perfect more because you're making an
Speaker 2: amazing point. We're talking about all the negative shit he
Speaker 2: did to get number one with Vultures. Now he's doing positive.
Speaker 2: Let's take out if we think somebody else wrote it.
Speaker 2: This and that bully he said with justin Leaboys miseducation,
Speaker 2: it's only about positivity. Every bar is supposed to uplift
Speaker 2: everybody in the world. He did a full apology of
Speaker 2: his whole entire career in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 3: Let's see what this could be.
Speaker 1: What's his rollout for the gospel album? Because that was
Speaker 1: positive rollout?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: What's his rollout for that? Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean even when he did with Sunday Service, Sunday
Speaker 2: Service to travel the country Withould Requie, I thought it
Speaker 2: was aweso, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I went to Yeah, thought it was great fucking fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So no, okay, but things definitely turn in the Internet
Speaker 2: after that time. The Internet was still negative at that time,
Speaker 2: but but it turned to everything negative type of world
Speaker 2: that we're it currently in, right, now everything has to
Speaker 2: be negative. I'm curious to see to your point, with
Speaker 2: him going with a positive rollout, what happens. I don't
Speaker 2: have any predictions. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: For me, it's.
Speaker 4: Always this and it will always be this with any
Speaker 4: of these artists. I don't care about your rollout. I
Speaker 4: don't care about your rollout.
Speaker 1: Want you care if the music is good? What does
Speaker 1: the music sound like? That's my thing.
Speaker 4: I don't care about this Wall Street ad. I care
Speaker 4: about his mental health. Hopefully he's addressing that and he's
Speaker 4: getting help for that. You know that part.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely I care about But I didn't need the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Ad.
Speaker 2: Just again, I think it's actually a great experiment to
Speaker 2: see if positivity even fucking works in a rollout. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it being humble, if being hey, I need forgiveness
Speaker 2: because as I fucked up, I said a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of But how would you know if it works with
Speaker 4: Kanye's gonna go number one?
Speaker 1: No matter what.
Speaker 2: You've proven me wrong with the Vultures, thing is actually
Speaker 2: going to we'll have an answer.
Speaker 4: The album goes as long as he stays away from
Speaker 4: Bad Bunny, as long as he.
Speaker 2: Stays away number one, because that can change. Let's look
Speaker 2: at the stream sales, which I hate, who cares about that?
Speaker 2: But let's let's look at the sales, all right? What
Speaker 2: are we we used to do sales guesses? What are
Speaker 2: you guys guessing?
Speaker 1: Units?
Speaker 5: Album equivalent units?
Speaker 1: That's it. It is soul because I don't even know
Speaker 1: what two hundred. I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1: How many?
Speaker 4: How many pre orders did Rocky have a million? How
Speaker 4: many did he sell for? How many was his first
Speaker 4: week numbers? Because he has a number two. He didn't
Speaker 4: debut at number one?
Speaker 3: Right now, he had a number number one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, over over bad bunny. Your congrats states.
Speaker 3: That Rocky is he has a number one album one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two.
Speaker 2: I think he ate was does two hundred because I
Speaker 2: do think with this Wall Street journalship.
Speaker 1: Plus Rocky debut a number one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right now, congrats States have Rocky Gucci?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think if Vultures did one and Yeah is doing
Speaker 2: his apology tour, I'm two hundred.
Speaker 5: I'm going one twenty. I'll go one twenty under Vultures
Speaker 5: unless unless he sells something and packs it out. Unless
Speaker 5: he sells something, can you pull.
Speaker 4: Up the rabbit, the rabbi that he was speaking with
Speaker 4: a couple of months ago that shook his hand and.
Speaker 3: That was crazy. That was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, I've had a version of that.
Speaker 1: Rabbi. A lot of people have.
Speaker 3: Never heard that.
Speaker 4: Is that rabbi? Uh did you Rabbi Yoshi Yosef? Yes,
Speaker 4: remember that Kanye made his amends.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 4: So then we got that, right baby, the follow me
Speaker 4: that was November, following you everywhere? That was November? Where January?
Speaker 4: Now we get the Wall Street add apology tour. Do
Speaker 4: you not see how how his team and staff are planning.
Speaker 1: I say that I'm not disagreeing with you. So that's
Speaker 1: where it's for me.
Speaker 4: I say, performative, planned, need this, then we're going to
Speaker 4: do that, and we're going to do this, and then
Speaker 4: the album comes.
Speaker 3: So it's every artist it's been performative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm just saying for what he's done over
Speaker 4: the years and said, for him to now make this turn,
Speaker 4: you can't expect somebody like me to be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel him. You know, I don't expect you to.
Speaker 4: But I also don't think that Kanye is doing this
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 1: I'm one of his I'm one of his consumers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna cut you bought in his In his height of
Speaker 5: the Worst Ship, he was saying, you bought easy boots.
Speaker 3: You're not the person he's apologized and you know what
Speaker 3: I think, but he doesn't.
Speaker 4: But again, my thing is if you want to say,
Speaker 4: apologize to people you hurt with your words, I'm always
Speaker 4: for that apologize.
Speaker 1: Right. My thing is why attach it?
Speaker 2: Like you said, why are we getting an album coming
Speaker 2: off the wall Street thing?
Speaker 4: It's just stop selling ship for a second. Sit down, yeah,
Speaker 4: but sit down, get your mental health together, get your
Speaker 4: life together. You mean your kids just growing up door.
Speaker 4: Stop selling shit for a second.
Speaker 1: But he hasn't sold us anything in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Well you talking about he's been well, has been waiting
Speaker 3: for his boots for a while.
Speaker 2: He sold a Swasi commerci last last February, I mean us,
Speaker 2: But we're going into February the next year and I
Speaker 2: still got.
Speaker 3: Kanye kinda hasn't stoped selling stuff.
Speaker 2: But all right, well and we can close this because
Speaker 2: I know this dragged a bit, but you would like,
Speaker 2: do you consider artists a brand at this point? I'm
Speaker 2: not a businessman. I'm a businessman like certain certain artists.
Speaker 2: Everybody niggas just saying no, no, no brand using artists in
Speaker 2: the same vein ye one million. So you don't think
Speaker 2: Pepsi beats to the drum of how we're going to
Speaker 2: move based off how we're selling something. Why is Kanye
Speaker 2: who is a brand at one point was just as
Speaker 2: valuable as a major corporation that has been around for
Speaker 2: one hundred years, because that's how talented Kanye West was
Speaker 2: with his vision. Why can he not move at the
Speaker 2: same pace that every more major corporation does.
Speaker 4: Because he's saying that he has frontal lobe damage and
Speaker 4: mental health issues that he needs to address.
Speaker 2: Pepsi an ad with Kendall Jenner stotting racism by opening that,
Speaker 2: and I know it's the craziest commercial of all time.
Speaker 2: They had an Asian playing the violin at a riot.
Speaker 2: Pepsi put out an ad, Yo, we messed up, We're
Speaker 2: gonna do better. At least Kanye gave me some more
Speaker 2: words that made me feel like I'm actually talking to
Speaker 2: a human being. And he's a brand that at one
Speaker 2: point probably not as valuable as Pepsi, but close in
Speaker 2: the billions. Why can't he move the same way. His
Speaker 2: life is a brand. He's always going to sell. He's
Speaker 2: selling his personality. He was married to the conglomerate of
Speaker 2: selling your personality their brands. The Kardashians are a brand.
Speaker 2: You don't get Skims without Kim selling herself her lifestyle.
Speaker 2: These people, anytime they walk outside, they're selling themselves. I
Speaker 2: don't mean that in a negative way, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4: Everything you're saying is correct. What I'm saying is if
Speaker 4: you're having mental health issues, if you're front, I think
Speaker 4: all of you need. You need to sit the fuck down,
Speaker 4: go live on the off off of fucking farm somewhere
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, get your mental health together, relax,
Speaker 4: stop trying to sell push it in the consumer space
Speaker 4: all the time, Like just fucking chill and relax.
Speaker 1: You made enough money. Life is great.
Speaker 4: Get your fucking get your get your physical mental health
Speaker 4: in order before you start to jump back into the
Speaker 4: space and want to sell shit again.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's all I'm like telling Pepsi to stop
Speaker 2: selling the Pepsi that's in our fridges every day. No,
Speaker 2: that's not That's how you become a billionaire, that's how
Speaker 2: you go. That's the difference between Kanye also whole, but
Speaker 2: he has done it outside of his lifestyle brand. That's
Speaker 2: the difference. They sell things every goddamn day and Kanye
Speaker 2: to Rihanna did not become a billionaire until she started
Speaker 2: selling fenty and her lifestyle brand that she could match
Speaker 2: with what she was doing with the music videos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but her being Rihanna is not. Yeah, but what
Speaker 4: do you talk What point are you making, Rihanna. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying negative shit about a group of people in
Speaker 4: the world. Rihanna's not going on no, no, no.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a separate, separate point the point.
Speaker 1: Stop trying to sell.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that he has the mind state
Speaker 2: of a corporation because he is one. Now he walks
Speaker 2: outside and is being sold, so his mind is always there.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean go fucking buy a Nazi chain. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying I'm not co signing that. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: where those types of brains are at. He's he's a corporation,
Speaker 2: not to the way some other rapper is that also
Speaker 2: sells alcohol. You're talking about somebody that has entered billionaires.
Speaker 2: When Rihanna walks out every time when she's with Rocky,
Speaker 2: when she's with her kids. Of course she's living her
Speaker 2: life the way she wants to live it. You don't
Speaker 2: think she's throwing on the fency coat. She knows her
Speaker 2: whole life is being sold every time she walks out
Speaker 2: that fucking building.
Speaker 3: Okay, so dyah, that puts them on that MA wants.
Speaker 5: So here's the thing, MA, all authenticity, the majority. I
Speaker 5: won't say all the majority honesty, the majority of the
Speaker 5: authenticity that we are sold because we are being sold authenticity,
Speaker 5: because authenticity is what mixed. That's why we have so
Speaker 5: many influencers, right, and influencers that have become the new
Speaker 5: celebrities because they're just normal people that showed us our
Speaker 5: lives and now we relate it to them and now
Speaker 5: we give them. We bought shit from them, and they
Speaker 5: influence our lives. So authenticity a lot of times is forced,
Speaker 5: it's fake, it's acted, and some people are better at
Speaker 5: it than others.
Speaker 3: Kanye didn't take that route.
Speaker 5: He didn't get in front of the camera like Diddy
Speaker 5: did after the rape accusations come out and said hey,
Speaker 5: I'm working on it with God me and my pastor
Speaker 5: and did the fake authenticity. He did it the way
Speaker 5: that artists used to do it when the label was
Speaker 5: running everything. I'm going to put out a fucking press release.
Speaker 5: Now I have a whole bunch of money, so my
Speaker 5: press release, I can force it to be seen by
Speaker 5: the people I want it to be seen by.
Speaker 3: And I can understand why that might rub you wrong.
Speaker 5: But please understand that even when people are doing the fakes,
Speaker 5: sit in front of the camera with the black T
Speaker 5: shirt while they're in their kitchen and their kids are
Speaker 5: in the back playing and their wife is bringing them
Speaker 5: a play of food. That's staged too, but it's staged
Speaker 5: to look authentic.
Speaker 3: Kanye just didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, you look, Kyrie Tailer, this is all the stage.
Speaker 3: Everything is a state's and that's the way I live.
Speaker 2: I agree with Kyrie and Kanyek learned that pretty early,
Speaker 2: and that's why I think Kanye believes a lot of
Speaker 2: shit that he's saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you there.
Speaker 2: But to the demericis point, Kanye has in the years
Speaker 2: of gangster rap, came out with a fucking polo and
Speaker 2: said I'm a nerd dog like he he sold a
Speaker 2: group of people, a large group, authenticity of I'm around
Speaker 2: a bunch of people that usually if you're in this position,
Speaker 2: you're gonna pretend like, no, I'm from Chicago, I'm a
Speaker 2: I'm g d. Now I'm a nerd. I'm an art
Speaker 2: student in a time when it wasn't cool to be
Speaker 2: an art student. So everyone took his introduction to the world. Also,
Speaker 2: that's what he really he was. That was authentic on Kanye, That's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying that that was in every that.
Speaker 1: Was his most authentic. That was him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he worked at the Gap. He was a gap kid.
Speaker 4: Well gap, he was a preppy kid. That's and there's
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that, Like, of course the space for.
Speaker 1: That in him.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, at a time when it wasn't even
Speaker 2: cool to say that type of shit, you got to
Speaker 2: that point authenticity.
Speaker 4: And that's what got away from is in hip hop
Speaker 4: you are rewarded for being authentic.
Speaker 1: That's what it used.
Speaker 3: At a time.
Speaker 4: You couldn't even sound like other rappers at one point,
Speaker 4: even if vocally and tone wise, we just had natural
Speaker 4: just saying people like yo, that ain't gonna work. You
Speaker 4: sound too much like this person, or you look too
Speaker 4: much like that person, like you had to be authentic.
Speaker 1: Now it's just.
Speaker 4: Cookie cutter shit. Put him on the conveyor belt, shut
Speaker 4: him down the line. And I'm saying an artist is
Speaker 4: talented as Kanye should not fall into that because he
Speaker 4: doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: Well, when he was yelling listen to the kids, Bro,
Speaker 2: I actually liked that. But now I'm I'm starting to
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Speaker 2: I mean I guess it's a good segue into the
Speaker 2: Kitcutty thing. Another person that was always authentically themselves in
Speaker 2: a time when it wasn't cool to be. We've been
Speaker 2: having this Jim Jones Kitcutty debate for about fifteen years.
Speaker 3: I'm happy you finally hit the internet.
Speaker 1: Oh I've never heard it before.
Speaker 2: Oh this has been a this is an age old
Speaker 2: fucking wrap barbershop conversation. So kid Cutty replied, I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, even when I was looking it up,
Speaker 2: I don't know what sparked Cuddy doing this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, Jim Jones spoke first. Jim Jones Fair came on
Speaker 5: this podcast. Jim Jones came out and said that people
Speaker 5: only heard of Day and Night and Josh, can you
Speaker 5: pull up the direct quote please, something along the lines
Speaker 5: of people only heard of Day and Night because Jim
Speaker 5: Jones remixed it, right, So then you get the internet,
Speaker 5: you get the New York Internet, agreeing with him in
Speaker 5: the other forty nine states, saying I've never even heard
Speaker 5: that version.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny with that alone.
Speaker 1: It's a cover of a song that's already out, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, how can people only have heard it because
Speaker 4: you remixed it or you made a cover of the song,
Speaker 4: like that makes no sense.
Speaker 5: Okay, so people would know who Kid Cutty is, yeah,
Speaker 5: he said, people with no Kid Cuddy.
Speaker 3: Okay, what was the original?
Speaker 1: So all right? I have some like actual talking about
Speaker 1: Day and Night?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So I have some actual, like.
Speaker 2: Real knowledge into this timeline because I worked at Binnie
Speaker 2: Means when Binnie Means produced the video of Jim Jones
Speaker 2: in the booth. You can pull up Day and Night
Speaker 2: remix Jim Jones. Aristotle produced that video. Bb Gun shot it.
Speaker 2: It was a by any Means production. At that time,
Speaker 2: the song was still bubbling. Yes, did they play the
Speaker 2: Jim Jones verse first? That then got put into the
Speaker 2: Kid Cuddy Day and Night song on High ninety seven
Speaker 2: on the radio when radio was still very very much
Speaker 2: prevalent in two thousand and eight and in the blogs.
Speaker 2: Was was that a moment when Jim Jones got on it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: So. Jim's right for the tri state to some degree.
Speaker 2: But at this time Cuddy was living in Brooklyn and
Speaker 2: Jersey City, like Cuddy was working that record in New York.
Speaker 2: That's how Jim probably hurt it because Cuddy was working
Speaker 2: that record. But to say that that moment of Jim
Speaker 2: Jones shooting that video in the studio, the red lights,
Speaker 2: the blunt of going on that beat, that's what played
Speaker 2: at parties, in the club and on the radio in
Speaker 2: New York City. Only speaking about that, but to say
Speaker 2: that Hot ninety seven in two thousand and eight didn't
Speaker 2: determine the hip hop market of all fifty states, you're bugging.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's New York ego, but there's no way that
Speaker 2: you're telling me that what Hot ninety seven was doing
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight did not dictate what a
Speaker 2: lot of places were doing in middle markets. Atlanta, of course,
Speaker 2: is always going to do their own thing, La is
Speaker 2: always going to do their own thing. But if you
Speaker 2: don't think people are not following what Hot ninety seven
Speaker 2: does in.
Speaker 3: This period, you're bugging.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: With that said, I saw Cutty's response. He's also completely correct.
Speaker 2: That record was going bro it was going so and
Speaker 2: I think Cuddy is a publint. It was a New
Speaker 2: York City remix, but it was one of those things
Speaker 2: in New York that became a staple of Jim Jones
Speaker 2: on that record. But that record was going doog like
Speaker 2: and I think it's a hit record.
Speaker 5: Where we have to be And that even goes back
Speaker 5: to the conversation that me and Maal just eventually agreed
Speaker 5: to disagree on when it came to is Drake the
Speaker 5: reason why the Migos exist? You can say I made
Speaker 5: this better and I put more eyes on this, which
Speaker 5: you can't say, is this your career would never exist
Speaker 5: without me. There's a difference. There's a difference between I
Speaker 5: helped you and I helped you grow. But there's also
Speaker 5: some things that would all were always going to jump off.
Speaker 5: It might have just taken a little bit longer. Day
Speaker 5: and Night was always going to be a hit. Jim
Speaker 5: Jones knew that. That's why the fuck he hopped out
Speaker 5: as no Artist's song, because the ship was so hot
Speaker 5: he had to be on it.
Speaker 2: Also, Jim Jim is an incredible a and R so
Speaker 2: is Jim has always been great at understanding what sounds
Speaker 2: good before he even knew how to wrap.
Speaker 3: Jimmy was that good at that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he heard a record like, oh, this shit
Speaker 2: is hard, I don't care what the world thinks. I
Speaker 2: think it's hot, so I'm gonna get on the record.
Speaker 2: Jimmy's always been that way, so I know probably in
Speaker 2: his brain he's thinking, like, I don't care if that
Speaker 2: was gonna be a hit. I was rapping on that
Speaker 2: no matter what. And yeah, it brought shit. My BlackBerry
Speaker 2: with the side scroll ringtone was Jimmy's version of Day
Speaker 2: and Night and two thousand and eight like that, that
Speaker 2: was a record. It played in the party better and
Speaker 2: then Cuddy Shit came in and it was a moment
Speaker 2: because they had both of them and Jim coming off
Speaker 2: ball in like it was a thing.
Speaker 4: I think, can we put up when Day and Night
Speaker 4: uh played on Entourage?
Speaker 3: Because I think that was the That was definitely big.
Speaker 1: That was the moment.
Speaker 2: It was also big like when same era when Entourage
Speaker 2: had Charles Hamilton Brooklyn girls on it, that was big.
Speaker 2: Aserage premiered a a different version of What's the Kanye
Speaker 2: with t Pain Good Life. Go watch Entourage. They premiered
Speaker 2: the song the day before it came out. It's a
Speaker 2: different version. Kanye changed it that night.
Speaker 1: I get what Jim is saying.
Speaker 4: Jim definitely, you know when he did Day and Night
Speaker 4: that went platinum in the hood for sure, But I
Speaker 4: mean Day and Night was gonna be Day and Night
Speaker 4: if Jim never did that. Yeah, Like when you're getting
Speaker 4: your song placed on the biggest show on HBO, the
Speaker 4: Monumental Show, Like, if your song is making it there, bro,
Speaker 4: Jim never If Jim never did Day and Night over
Speaker 4: that song was gonna be what it is, Like.
Speaker 2: That Cutty is a talent that if there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people in his circle life that never existed, he's
Speaker 2: still gonna be cutting Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's now, but now Jim's Jim's version diggle platin.
Speaker 2: The hood hood like we're going to like, we're not
Speaker 2: gonna do that, But it also went platin in the
Speaker 2: hood because the Day.
Speaker 1: And Night song, the Cuddy song was so dead and
Speaker 1: so was so big.
Speaker 2: And in the context that you guys pulled up. I
Speaker 2: have to give some pushback, just on a personal level,
Speaker 2: he said, my intern shot that video. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you considered Aristotle an interurn, I guess that's fair. But
Speaker 2: I want to give a lot of credit to Aristotle,
Speaker 2: who went on to shoot videos for fucking nas fab
Speaker 2: j Cole has a feature film on Hulu right now,
Speaker 2: like aristotleto is super established, So I kind of wish
Speaker 2: Jimmy would have not said it that way because Aristotle's
Speaker 2: so established.
Speaker 3: You could have said, you know, Aristotle would bb gun
Speaker 3: shot that.
Speaker 4: So that air that aired November two thousand and eight
Speaker 4: on Entourage Day and Night when the Gym's Day and
Speaker 4: Night drop same around the same time, because that was
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: October, if anything.
Speaker 4: So okay, so Gym's came out October two thousand and eight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the Autarge episode was November two thousand and eight, which.
Speaker 3: Means it was shot probably seven months before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we can't you got to speak to when
Speaker 4: it was played though, like when people actually heard Damnage.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's around the same time. But Day and
Speaker 4: Night was definitely taken off way before that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was about to say even then Entourage
Speaker 2: of when they shoot everything and then do the scores,
Speaker 2: I guess, but that was playing on radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was it was a reversh Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a that was a big record. But it's just.
Speaker 4: I get what Jim is saying, know, like, because he
Speaker 4: did that, you know, his version of the record, it
Speaker 4: definitely was big, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 4: just think that Jim just you know, the words, just
Speaker 4: the wrong choice of words.
Speaker 5: See you beat Mare, you do that a lot for people.
Speaker 5: You give people a lot of better figued out and
Speaker 5: be like no, never FERIORI would he be like, you know,
Speaker 5: I feel like he was trying to say, and I
Speaker 5: think he was trying to say, no, niggas know what
Speaker 5: they be saying.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Is he just it's the wrong choice of words that
Speaker 4: he chose. Now, the song, his version was big. Jim
Speaker 4: Jones version of the song was big. It was, like
Speaker 4: I said, in the hood, everybody was playing that shit.
Speaker 4: So I get why in Jim's mind and his perception
Speaker 4: is because everybody he's around that That's what he was saying,
Speaker 4: was his version of it. So I understand that. But
Speaker 4: for him to say what he said, I'm just saying, like, nah,
Speaker 4: you you definitely your version of it definitely was big.
Speaker 4: But that song was that song with or without your version. Like,
Speaker 4: but we're not going to take it away from Jim
Speaker 4: Jim's version of Damn Night being a.
Speaker 1: Hit because it was oh yeah, no, two things. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Just just the wrong choice of words that he chose,
Speaker 4: that's all. I'm not saying that he didn't mean what
Speaker 4: he said. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying
Speaker 4: he chose the wrong words, because day and night, Kid Cuddy.
Speaker 3: He chose the right words to prove his wrong point.
Speaker 2: But even again, oh yes, yes, but also with somebody
Speaker 2: that's been batting a thousand on cosons, I can see
Speaker 2: why he would think, like, no, everything that I co
Speaker 2: signed before everyone else does in my circle clearly seems
Speaker 2: to be right. But also in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: the entire music industry had moved to LA.
Speaker 1: Yet let's not act like.
Speaker 2: All the execs that was pushing everything with Cutty wasn't
Speaker 2: in their cars going home like, oh shit, all right,
Speaker 2: Jimmy on this, this is going crazy in New York.
Speaker 2: Let's not act like that's not a thing at that time.
Speaker 2: You guys can say we're irrelevant now, and it's fine.
Speaker 2: We can argue about that at another time. In two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven to eight, Yes, it was a thing
Speaker 2: that Jim Jones and Kid Cutty were playing on Hoigh
Speaker 2: ninety seven NonStop for every exec on their drive home back.
Speaker 3: To New Jersey.
Speaker 1: For sure, Like, yeah, I'm mad at that.
Speaker 2: Like that, definitely, I'm sure that helped Cutty in his meetings.
Speaker 2: Cuddy is a genius. He's going to be cutting no
Speaker 2: matter what. But let's not act like at that time
Speaker 2: when everyone was gravitating towards that song with the execs
Speaker 2: that lived in the energy of this city at that time,
Speaker 2: that wasn't helpful. I know if I was in an
Speaker 2: A and R office in every fucking morning I'm driving
Speaker 2: to work, and every night I'm driving to work, I
Speaker 2: hear this goddamn song with Jimmy's version on it coming
Speaker 2: off the bones, Like, all right, cool Cuddy is at
Speaker 2: this point too. You have to understand it's two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. They're just getting into the tight pants thing.
Speaker 2: This is eight to Ways and Heartbreaks. Nope, same, We
Speaker 2: talking about Kanye kind of being a trailblazer where it
Speaker 2: was cool to be a nerd just for him.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: The Hood is coson in this because don't act like
Speaker 2: the office at that time didn't think what the hood
Speaker 2: was thinking at that time. Jimmy was a good co
Speaker 2: sign for what was going on. Cuddy is a little left.
Speaker 2: We heard he's working on this Kanye album. I don't
Speaker 2: know he wears weird tight pants. He's out of his
Speaker 2: fucking mind. Yeah, a co sign from the Hood at
Speaker 2: that time for an exec, like, all right, cool, the
Speaker 2: Hood's fucking with it. This sound isn't that crazy because
Speaker 2: we're coming off all rom browse shit at that time.
Speaker 2: This is polished. This is like eighties pop, weird dark
Speaker 2: tones and shit. Yeah, this is kind of nuts coming
Speaker 2: off that rom browse shit. That the Hood will fuck
Speaker 2: with this. That's important, Yeah, to how a record starts
Speaker 2: to get broken. I know everyone wants to take credit
Speaker 2: once the record is number five on Billboard, But it
Speaker 2: takes the Hood to get it there, that's all, especially
Speaker 2: if that I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it takes the Hood to get it there.
Speaker 2: But at this time with execs and in buildings, that's
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 3: Energy used to be a thing.
Speaker 2: That's where you get sav and Steve O best of
Speaker 2: both offices, people that actually used to go out into
Speaker 2: the street and figure out what the fuck was happening
Speaker 2: in not New York City but the entire country. Everything
Speaker 2: people say that the lab are missing is where you
Speaker 2: merge Jim Jones and Kid Cuddy with Day and Night.
Speaker 3: That's when shit worked.
Speaker 2: Ye all, right, hood co son and his weirdo shit
Speaker 2: and I don't mean weirdo in a bad way.
Speaker 3: Hood his co on and his weirdoshit.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, this day and night was a smash.
Speaker 3: Cuddy out of here.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter A huge record, huge record, no
Speaker 4: matter who remixed it, huge record.
Speaker 2: Are you guys gonna watch this? Hit Boy and Mike
Speaker 2: Will made it versus.
Speaker 3: Oh kick ass?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 4: I watched because a lot of records, Because h hip
Speaker 4: boy Mike Will got a lot of fucking records.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. Yeah, I'm watching this. Who y'all
Speaker 1: think is gonna win? Hit Boy? Yeah? You said that
Speaker 1: really quickly. I agree. But you said that quickly.
Speaker 4: I mean I say it all the time, and not
Speaker 4: just because that's my guy. Hip Boy might be the
Speaker 4: most talented producer. When you can produce an entire collection
Speaker 4: for Nas and then you know, produce for Beyonce and
Speaker 4: then you know, produce for you know, Nipsy, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's just the range that hit Boy has is it's undeniable,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's just it's unbia
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 5: But for the first ten I think Mike Will might
Speaker 5: the first ten. I think it's gonna be up and up,
Speaker 5: but I think after after those ten, I think hit
Speaker 5: boy will start to come in.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think Mike will Is is kind of like the
Speaker 2: Atlanta hit Boy because I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Hit Boy's range is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: He can he can play a Beyonce.
Speaker 2: But if you can go from Meik Millon Ross Tupac
Speaker 2: back and then go to Miley Cyrus record, Mike will
Speaker 2: has the most insane. He has ranged as well. Listen,
Speaker 2: there's a reason why this is gonna be dope. They
Speaker 2: both have in future. That's the point, hit Boy, it's
Speaker 2: not knows why you changed.
Speaker 4: And if you play that, If you play that future record, Mike,
Speaker 4: what what happens to if throwing niggas in Paris?
Speaker 5: So niggas in Paris is automatic win? Right, automatic win?
Speaker 5: But you know what else is also a automatic win?
Speaker 5: Poured up? Poured up is an automatic win to me
Speaker 5: for a lot of people. You gotta remember it's not
Speaker 5: it's not just about Rihanna up. I still got my money,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, like and and make her dances automatic win.
Speaker 3: But also that Michael has Beyonce. Didn you do formation.
Speaker 2: Uh, was Formation him or hit Boy? No, that was
Speaker 2: Mike Will, Oh it was and don't get a twisted ship.
Speaker 2: Hip Boy has records on the last two Beyonce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Project No, yeah, that is that's him? Were the
Speaker 3: sixteen candleship Like, but I don't know if that Black.
Speaker 5: Beatles Black in a versus today Black Beatles Black Beatles
Speaker 5: in the City.
Speaker 3: We talk about twenty sixteen, Like come on now.
Speaker 2: No, this is this actually in a weird way, makes
Speaker 2: more sense than the Boy Wonder and Hip Boy Battle.
Speaker 1: M hmm, yeah, because of the range you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they both just have a lot of records, also
Speaker 2: with the same artists as well.
Speaker 1: In the jobs. Can you pull up that billboard top producers? Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like where was hit Boy at
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 5: I didn't know that Mike Will did Humble by Kendrick Lamon.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So all right, Humble and DNA versus Mad City, which
Speaker 2: is one of the craziest hit Boy beats of all time,
Speaker 2: which is off good kid map.
Speaker 1: I think you're pulling up is this R and B
Speaker 1: was producers? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean a lot of these didn't go
Speaker 2: with specific rings, like Boy Wonder has rightfully so hit
Speaker 2: records with I Just want to show you one else,
Speaker 2: but has so many with Drake hit.
Speaker 1: Boy was on it.
Speaker 3: Move That Dope by Just Move That Dope.
Speaker 2: Control F and then type and Hip Boy, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: you and I are going to go through like a
Speaker 2: Microsoft word.
Speaker 5: Move that Dope by Future pharrells. Wow, one of my
Speaker 5: favorite beats of all time.
Speaker 1: No hit Boy on the top producers of the twenty
Speaker 1: first century? Who did the list?
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone?
Speaker 1: What you expect?
Speaker 3: Well, no, no Billboard. It's based off like actual data.
Speaker 2: Oh and my thing with hip Boy has I don't
Speaker 2: even want to call him cl classics because they're huge records,
Speaker 2: but hip Boy has more of like the records Beyonce
Speaker 2: was experimenting on rather than the hit records.
Speaker 1: Niggas in Paris is a top song.
Speaker 5: Of course that should be like that's automatic win. There's
Speaker 5: nothing that a loan should put him somewhere based off
Speaker 5: how many you have. So even if that's that's one, I.
Speaker 2: Guess, yeah know, though it is gonna be interested though
Speaker 2: no tire, it still works.
Speaker 5: Click Click goes Click is gonna go crazy. Sickle Mode
Speaker 5: is gonna go crazy.
Speaker 3: That's that's hip boy.
Speaker 5: That's not like Will I know I'm hit boy.
Speaker 1: He's not even he's not he has to be pictures
Speaker 1: right there. He's literally as big as for real.
Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
Speaker 5: Mike Will has more hits, hits, he has a significant.
Speaker 3: We've seen in verses where that doesn't necessarily mean.
Speaker 1: Everything got to be on others.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of how you structure your playlist and
Speaker 2: how songs go against each other, Like.
Speaker 1: It's how Yeah, that's a very big part of the verses.
Speaker 3: You can have more hits that don't mean anything.
Speaker 4: It's like when you play him versus like especially if
Speaker 4: I got to play a record.
Speaker 1: First, it's like playing a hand of spades.
Speaker 4: You got to play your hand right, because now if
Speaker 4: I play, you know, one of my biggest records, and
Speaker 4: then you play something that people just like more, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: who got that? Yeah, Like I'm not saying they might
Speaker 4: have charted the song I play, might have charted hiding
Speaker 4: the one you played, But as.
Speaker 2: Like in the jay z Jar another tip his biggest
Speaker 2: record New York, State of mont or Empire statement yeah,
Speaker 2: you think jay Z's playing that in his verses. No,
Speaker 2: of course, not like just because you have bigger hits
Speaker 2: there doesn't mean anything. Yeah, and even I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: Ludacris shouldn't have beat Nelly, but it shouldn't have been
Speaker 2: a wash. Nelly had had an awful Like how did
Speaker 2: you even think to structure it this way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm curious if they're going to go one for one
Speaker 2: or if it's going to be the fifteen minutes set
Speaker 2: verse fifteen minutes set.
Speaker 1: I think it should be that.
Speaker 3: I prefer that. I think it's cool that.
Speaker 4: I think that the whole versus is. I think we
Speaker 4: kind of got away from what it was at one point.
Speaker 4: It kind of turned into more of a just showcase
Speaker 4: of songs, and you know, performative is more performative now.
Speaker 4: So I like that way of doing it, like that,
Speaker 4: that type of setup, like you take fifteen minutes, I
Speaker 4: take fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the last one they did with cash
Speaker 2: money and no limit, they did it that way. And
Speaker 2: hopefully there's performers like I would love to see Race
Speaker 2: Fremmer together again with Mike will JD.
Speaker 1: Definitely dodged the bullet with that bad boy one didn't.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't want to be attached to that.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about they was going for the Mercedes
Speaker 1: Benz Stadium.
Speaker 2: I know that was gonna be I know they boot
Speaker 2: that was that was gonna be a d and everything.
Speaker 1: Hey JD.
Speaker 4: I know I know he happy that one didn't go down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to have to pull that up and look at that
Speaker 4: over and over again on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Jad, I did listen to Ari lennox album
Speaker 2: Vacancye over the weekend.
Speaker 3: It's good, It's really good.
Speaker 2: It's it feels like Ari is more comfortable and less
Speaker 2: anxious than she was on the last project, because I
Speaker 2: know she was dealing with a lot of stuff behind
Speaker 2: the scenes with labels and this and that is this
Speaker 2: is this a fuck Dreamville? I wouldn't say that. They
Speaker 2: said it was a very horny album, but but Ari's
Speaker 2: always well, she got.
Speaker 1: Off the label and now she can be horny against.
Speaker 3: Okay, because you know, you squirted when you're comfortable.
Speaker 4: You got to be the most comfortable, got to be.
Speaker 4: If she's not comfortable, she ain't gonna squirt.
Speaker 2: Worry.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew that or I don't
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 3: That's a call back, y'all. I'm not being over the freakdown.
Speaker 3: That's very funny. Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, all of Ari's music, I wouldn't say Ari's music
Speaker 2: is horny, but she's always talked about sex through or
Speaker 2: just because it's a neo soul sound. Are you listening
Speaker 2: to the lyrics?
Speaker 4: First of all, the Neil's soul women are the most
Speaker 4: horny Jill Scott just because.
Speaker 1: They got the pepper liner to a MIC's and I
Speaker 1: feel like instance.
Speaker 4: And they got Bob Marley on the wall. Don't think
Speaker 4: that she ain't about to go in there and squirt
Speaker 4: all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yo. Yeah, I mean, don't let that neo soul shit
Speaker 2: for you. Just shade but and all that, I know,
Speaker 2: But no, most of I want to say most, but
Speaker 2: a lot of Ari's music is I wouldn't say, just
Speaker 2: sexually explicit. Yeah, the record we did together, the first
Speaker 2: bar is ex videos. I don't need those anymore.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I know, I know, yeah.
Speaker 2: But no, it feels it feels like she had less
Speaker 2: people in her ear and knowing her, this felt like
Speaker 2: an album that she actually had full fucking control with
Speaker 2: with j D and Brian Michael Cox because they executive
Speaker 2: produced the whole thing and they did everything in the
Speaker 2: compound Atlanta. No, it's good, It's very good. It stripped
Speaker 2: all the fat of the last two projects where I
Speaker 2: felt like she was super in her head and had
Speaker 2: too many people telling her what to do. It's not
Speaker 2: far off her regular sound. If you're an Ari fan,
Speaker 2: it's still an Ari album.
Speaker 1: This shit what she wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: She's with Interscope, so she was signed with Dreamville and
Speaker 2: Interscope left Interscope, I'm sorry, left dream Bilt just.
Speaker 3: Stayed within her scope.
Speaker 2: God, which is good too, because if you're not on
Speaker 2: a sub label, now you own fifty percent when I own,
Speaker 2: but you're fifty percent of your shit as opposed to
Speaker 2: twenty five because if you signed it with sub label,
Speaker 2: they take twenty five. And yeah, so signing direct to
Speaker 2: the labels, yeah, a bit more profitable.
Speaker 1: I'll get it. Shout out my Niga.
Speaker 2: Ari, but yeah, no, check out Ari Vacancy. Really good album.
Speaker 2: Shout out to what JD got he got in his bag.
Speaker 2: He has little ad libs and shit on there. I
Speaker 2: felt like I was listening to some Aria shit back
Speaker 2: in the day. A lot of it is like two
Speaker 2: thousands of Mariah and I'm about to go run to
Speaker 2: it right now. No, and she and Ari was always
Speaker 2: great with valseatto shit, but she went more volsatto than
Speaker 2: I've ever heard her before on her previous projects. But
Speaker 2: now JD throwing a little ad libs in there, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm not mad at this shit.
Speaker 1: JD and B Cox at the whole album fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Studio that we've bentually they locked in and it just
Speaker 2: did the entire thing fire.
Speaker 3: So I liked.
Speaker 2: I liked that R and B compound there where they
Speaker 2: were Division eighty five and j JD.
Speaker 1: Even doing that for a lot of years.
Speaker 4: Man, Like I you know, I always speak highly JD,
Speaker 4: like he's what he's been doing, you know, the last.
Speaker 2: Fuck thirty years more than that Chris where I was born.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Cross was the early nineties were approaching almost
Speaker 4: JD's been working.
Speaker 1: Over thirty over thirty five years.
Speaker 2: Thirty five now sobly thirty eight probably thirty five years yeah, nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ninety one.
Speaker 3: No, but even I don't think Chris Cross was even
Speaker 3: his first group.
Speaker 1: That might have been the first one, though.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that was the first one that popped. But
Speaker 3: he's been working well.
Speaker 4: No, he's been I'm from about JD is a hip
Speaker 4: hop baby.
Speaker 3: He was back, he was jump came out in ninety two,
Speaker 3: ninety two.
Speaker 5: Oh, let's give him since the nineteen since nineteen ninety,
Speaker 5: let's give him since that.
Speaker 1: So I said thirty five almost thirty five years. Thirty
Speaker 1: four years.
Speaker 2: Shit, It's funny anytime I've been to his compound and
Speaker 2: there's been like a big R and B artist there
Speaker 2: that didn't work with him prior. Every single time I've
Speaker 2: talked with him on the side and be like, yo,
Speaker 2: I've never been with a legend that still touches the machine,
Speaker 2: which to me is a big big things. Like every
Speaker 2: time I get with a list legendary producer, they don't
Speaker 2: touch like they just be hitting space bar and some shit,
Speaker 2: and I'm like.
Speaker 1: All right, who who did that?
Speaker 2: No, JD is still JD sits there and cooks up
Speaker 2: from scratch. He's going to hit every instrument when you're
Speaker 2: in there, like.
Speaker 1: Shout out to him.
Speaker 4: And because I think they was number one, number two
Speaker 4: on the Top Producers of the twenty thirt which they
Speaker 4: fucking should be.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Shout out to the guys. JD.
Speaker 2: Brian talks before we get to either voicemails or close
Speaker 2: out this first Netflix episode.
Speaker 3: Good job, guys.
Speaker 1: I do I really.
Speaker 3: Hope this Chad Hugo and Pharrell thing gets gets solved.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at at if Chad feels like he
Speaker 2: was done wrong and he's owed royalties. We know Chad
Speaker 2: Hugo is a genius the same way that Farrell is
Speaker 2: a genius.
Speaker 3: We know Chad is just kept to himself.
Speaker 2: But if you're not paying royalties, and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Pharrell is even responsible for that, he could have put
Speaker 2: that in people's hands, his business management team and said, hey,
Speaker 2: you figure out the publishing, make sure everyone's paid. I
Speaker 2: don't want to sit here and condemn Pharrell for those
Speaker 2: types of things because I don't know the information. If
Speaker 2: he did that shit, I'm here to condemn him, my
Speaker 2: favorite producer, I'd still condemn him. But I hope they
Speaker 2: figured this out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: See my favorite fucking production duo just be in this
Speaker 2: place where no one's getting paid.
Speaker 3: What the heir owed this? This was sad sad to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I'm Chad does yeah, fucking pay me
Speaker 2: what you owe me. I'm not gonna sit here for
Speaker 2: the for the love of the game, for the love
Speaker 2: of the game. No, and and and again, I don't
Speaker 2: we don't know the full details. They just said that
Speaker 2: Chad Hugo had filed a lawsuit for specific records Drop
Speaker 2: It Like It's Hot, how the bat Girl Moneymaker?
Speaker 3: You know, just billion dollar songs.
Speaker 4: Right, some songs that literally kept on the lights of
Speaker 4: some of these offices.
Speaker 2: Still, yes, the back catalog is and I mean and
Speaker 2: that was at the time, you know who knows what
Speaker 2: MTV news with pr when they were like, oh no,
Speaker 2: it's a I think it was a million dollars for
Speaker 2: Drop It Like It's Hot that I was a kid,
Speaker 2: But I remember watching MTV and they asked Snoop Dogg
Speaker 2: was like, would you pay for that beat? It's like
Speaker 2: I had to pay Forell a million dollars for that beat.
Speaker 2: A million dollars for one beat.
Speaker 3: It was worth it.
Speaker 2: That's up front. That's not you still get. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't know anything. I don't know a lot of priters
Speaker 2: don't take any money upfront. You just get fifty percent
Speaker 2: pub and you can live for the rest of your
Speaker 2: life off that shit. Farrell was charging a million dollars
Speaker 2: a beat at that time in fifty percent.
Speaker 4: Publishing, and you don't know what that song is gonna do.
Speaker 4: It sounds great in the studio, we all vibe into it,
Speaker 4: the homies just fucking with it. We don't know what
Speaker 4: this is going to do in the world, though, so
Speaker 4: I might be overpaying for this beat, and it's like
Speaker 4: that shit I ain't even recool.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously we know Chad is no novice to anything.
Speaker 2: I give for a lot of credit because, like Swizz,
Speaker 2: I've seen interviews where artists are like, why Swiz and
Speaker 2: Pharrell were so great to work with. When I got
Speaker 2: to the studio, they had the beat and the hook
Speaker 2: already done. All I had to do was fill in
Speaker 2: the verses. This wasn't even a cookup session. You gave
Speaker 2: me a hit record. You're on the hook, you wrote
Speaker 2: the hook, here's the beat. I'm filling in three verses
Speaker 2: and we're done. I could do that in ten minutes,
Speaker 2: and now I have the biggest record of my life.
Speaker 3: If Fharrell is.
Speaker 2: Writing those hooks, yeah, I could see him taking more
Speaker 2: royalties in pub on certain things. But there's a lot
Speaker 2: of Chad beats with the Neptunes that everyone says Farrell
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with, and Chad did all the beats.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's true at all. I just know
Speaker 2: they're my favorite production duo and I hope they figure
Speaker 2: it out. But I just don't think Chad, who's been
Speaker 2: mana his business and is quiet, is doing this for
Speaker 2: no reason.
Speaker 5: Do you think that where there's smoke, there's fire in
Speaker 5: sense of like Pharrell being a little bit funny with money,
Speaker 5: because Kalise has been complaining about him for years as well.
Speaker 2: Possibly, and again I don't want to discredit Kalise whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I mean that that album in itself is like a
Speaker 2: two thousands classic. The amount of kids that came from
Speaker 2: that album. Tyler's a kid from that album. You listening
Speaker 2: to Tyler albums now and you can hear Thecalise's first
Speaker 2: album and you hear the same shit. I've also heard
Speaker 2: that she didn't write on it, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to take that.
Speaker 3: From Chalice because I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But there's been so many conflicting points from producers,
Speaker 2: engineers on who wrote what, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: have said, all right, Pharro wrote some of that shit,
Speaker 2: so why wouldn't he take royalties on it?
Speaker 3: So I don't know. It's the most confusing business on earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I make a T shirt, the T shirt's
Speaker 2: ten dollars, the designer charges this much, and we put
Speaker 2: it up for fifty percent markup, and the person distributed
Speaker 2: and gets ten percent. That's an easy business. I don't
Speaker 2: know what a baseline cost or what it's going to
Speaker 2: affect how many points. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: If I make a baseline that we later find out
Speaker 2: is the reason why everyone loves this song, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be sitting there like, YO, give me my fucking money, dog,
Speaker 2: that's the reason why we all love this shit. Now,
Speaker 2: you can't do that with a T shirt. I sold
Speaker 2: you this T shirt for ten bucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this T shirt is always worth ten bucks.
Speaker 2: This moment was like, it's such a confused in business
Speaker 2: that it's enemies and awful people in it.
Speaker 3: For sure. It's not even when the people that are
Speaker 3: trying their best. It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's not a confusing business. People make it confusion.
Speaker 3: I'm saying we publishing specifically.
Speaker 4: That's still not confusing. Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra had
Speaker 4: no confusion.
Speaker 3: Well they're going to fifty fifty.
Speaker 1: You see how us that no confusion.
Speaker 4: But then no contracts and we never had a contract
Speaker 4: with each other, none of that handshake conversation. This will
Speaker 4: we this is how we rocket. People make it confusion
Speaker 4: when they start doing funck shit. It's not always function.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying, no, sometimes you might not. Sometimes two
Speaker 5: people can disagree on how much they brought to a project.
Speaker 5: You I bought this and you bought this. You might
Speaker 5: value this more, but I value this more. The fans
Speaker 5: value this more. It can get confusing.
Speaker 4: No, you make it confusion. We were having this conversation
Speaker 4: before anything goes.
Speaker 3: Out this door.
Speaker 2: No, we're making what happens that song in the studio
Speaker 2: right again here, right now. We haven't touched the lyric,
Speaker 2: nothing has been played nothing. We're having a conversation. Yo,
Speaker 2: this is how we This is what we're doing.
Speaker 3: That's not work.
Speaker 5: That's I was gonna say that, but that's the creative process.
Speaker 5: You haven't created anything. You don't know what you're going
Speaker 5: to create. Are you see what I'm saying. I can't
Speaker 5: tell you what my worth is right with with this beat,
Speaker 5: I'm making a beatcalices writing lyrics. I can't tell you
Speaker 5: what this beat is worth because I haven't created it yet.
Speaker 5: I can't tell you what these lyrics are worth because
Speaker 5: I haven't created it yet. Is the is the beat
Speaker 5: the most important? But important is the lyrics? You don't
Speaker 5: know the part.
Speaker 1: You're missing, is what I'm saying. You look at somebody.
Speaker 4: I don't know if any of these people were talking
Speaker 4: about have a more extensive catalog or more you know,
Speaker 4: value catalog than Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra, Pharrell.
Speaker 1: Whoever else you want to name.
Speaker 4: I don't know if their catalog is worth more than
Speaker 4: Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra. What I'm saying is the
Speaker 4: conversation that those two gentlemen add was very simple conversation shake,
Speaker 4: no confusion. Their entire career working together, none and they
Speaker 4: made a fuck ton of money with each other.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, let's say, all right, Frank was writing
Speaker 2: everything and Frank sang everything. Now let's say they put
Speaker 2: something down on a skeleton track where Quincy just had
Speaker 2: some strings playing and then he's gonna go with the
Speaker 2: whole orchestra and a bunch of musicians after Frank leaves,
Speaker 2: we have a fifty to fifty handshake. Now, if I'm
Speaker 2: a musician that played something wrote something on the song.
Speaker 2: That's what I think a lot of people misunderstand when
Speaker 2: they see Spotify credits. Writing writing doesn't mean you wrote
Speaker 2: necessarily wrote the lyrics writing the song. Child is a
Speaker 2: writer on all my stuff, even if he didn't write
Speaker 2: a lyric at all, because he wrote music on there.
Speaker 2: I put writers on everything that wrote music. It's not
Speaker 2: just lyrics. Now, if I'm a bass player and I
Speaker 2: think I deserve seven point five percent PUB on this
Speaker 2: because the baseline is leading this entire thing, I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck what handshake Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra
Speaker 2: have on this. Quincy, this is coming out of your
Speaker 2: fifth percent. Yeah, yeah, we're going to have a conversation here.
Speaker 2: There's not everything else is coming out of the office.
Speaker 3: Like if Frank Sinatra, and what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Is I write music on that, I deserve pub.
Speaker 5: If Frank Sinatra and Quinsy Jones split fifty to fifty, right,
Speaker 5: they each have fifty to fifty if one of them
Speaker 5: brings in some people a chorus or a band or
Speaker 5: somebody to do something on there, you don't suddenly create
Speaker 5: more money out of thin air. If that has to
Speaker 5: come out of somebody's fitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we had that conversation with Frank. You know, Frank,
Speaker 4: I had to pay it bits da da da.
Speaker 2: All right, cool, But that doesn't even come up how
Speaker 2: publishing was simple that it. That wouldn't even be a
Speaker 2: Frank conversation. That would be a Quincy conversation because how
Speaker 2: pub is split. It is fifty percent with the actual
Speaker 2: writing of the song, and the other fifty percent is
Speaker 2: split up between whatever's happening with the music. Now, if
Speaker 2: Quincy's taking fifty percent, if I know, even if I
Speaker 2: go in to do a record, I know out the
Speaker 2: gate I'm hiring musicians, and I don't play the game
Speaker 2: where I just give you a fee and take pub
Speaker 2: I just don't play that game. I'm going to be
Speaker 2: on the right side of history. You're gonna get your
Speaker 2: pub on that. But I know going in if I'm
Speaker 2: starting a record, if me and Nick Grant start a record,
Speaker 2: I know for a fact I'm going to hire some
Speaker 2: musicians that are probably gonna be able to play what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do in Ableton way better than I
Speaker 2: ever could, and I'm going to give them their pub
Speaker 2: on that entire thing. So if me and Nick have
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty split, if we're doing an EP,
Speaker 2: my pub is supposed to be diluted for everyone that
Speaker 2: comes in there and writes music. And now that pub
Speaker 2: gets diluted a bit more. If it's something that I'm
Speaker 2: doing on Ableton and I want you to replay it,
Speaker 2: now I can have that argument with you, like, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you don't get twenty percent PUB on this, Maybe
Speaker 2: that's more of a ten to fifteen because I told
Speaker 2: you exactly what I wanted to do and you played
Speaker 2: it for me. And that's where I'm saying it gets
Speaker 2: complicated because there's no real consumer the t shirts ten dollars.
Speaker 3: We're selling it for twenty.
Speaker 2: That's a debate between two human beings and the song's
Speaker 2: not even out. Yeah, and also, Maul, you don't even
Speaker 2: know what the value of the song is going to be.
Speaker 5: I'm sure Frank Sinatra and Quincy Jones didn't have any problems,
Speaker 5: but I promise you there's probably people that were in
Speaker 5: the studio with them or around them that might have
Speaker 5: had a problem with some things with our goats that
Speaker 5: we all love to death and speak hi when they
Speaker 5: walk in to a studio. We've talked about our favorite
Speaker 5: writers on this pod in the last two years. They
Speaker 5: don't get the pub they deserve because when it comes
Speaker 5: with this artist, they're taking fifty percent pub even if
Speaker 5: they didn't write anything. So now someone that wrote a
Speaker 5: whole song is getting two percent PUB because it's also
Speaker 5: with a producer that walks into a studios like taking
Speaker 5: if I come in here, it's fifty percent PUB. And
Speaker 5: that's what people we speak about often and we champion
Speaker 5: That happens to some of our favorite writers.
Speaker 3: Writers we've had on this podcast that.
Speaker 2: Won't speak about it because it's complicated and it's political
Speaker 2: and they're trying to keep their job. But yeah, you
Speaker 2: want to work on a list artist, shit, be happy
Speaker 2: with three percent if you wrote a whole record, which
Speaker 2: is crazy because you deserve.
Speaker 1: Fifty good point, but one point still stands.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, people people put bullshit.
Speaker 1: People put bullshit in the mix, and no they do.
Speaker 2: And I'm what I was really getting to and we
Speaker 2: can close. This is the conversation I'm saying when if
Speaker 2: Quincy is telling someone exactly how to play something, now
Speaker 2: we have a debate on what pubuo instead, and stead
Speaker 2: if there's been times where I've had you met Mitch,
Speaker 2: my bass player before Mitch just comes in, if we
Speaker 2: have an idea men a odd and tell them there's
Speaker 2: a different version of pub there. Then if I send
Speaker 2: Mitch a record and Mitch comes up with the fucking baseline,
Speaker 2: Mitch is taken at least fifteen percent on that he
Speaker 2: wrote a whole. I didn't even tell you what to
Speaker 2: do on the baseline. I gave you a skeleton and
Speaker 2: you came with a funky ass baseline.
Speaker 1: You taking fifteen percent at minimum.
Speaker 5: So if we're confusing to the average listener who isn't
Speaker 5: into music the way that we are, and they don't
Speaker 5: know about this type what we're saying into chat GPT,
Speaker 5: and it'll make a little bit more sense because I
Speaker 5: know that this can be fed be confusing for the
Speaker 5: casual music listener.
Speaker 1: They don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's confusing to professionals and yeah, yeah that's and what's
Speaker 2: so fucked up is why everyone hates major labels is
Speaker 2: everything we're arguing about somebody else ends up owning that
Speaker 2: wasn't even there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you want to write everyone's pistol.
Speaker 1: Yep, bully all right, Rory?
Speaker 2: It was fun, uh you know yeah, talking to you today,
Speaker 2: debating you do we have a debate today?
Speaker 1: I think we debated.
Speaker 3: Oh we had think we had healthy discourse.
Speaker 2: If I said something out of finished, I'm sorry. My
Speaker 2: front will load anything.
Speaker 1: There's a little.
Speaker 4: I'm not not smoking weed anymore. So my front lobe
Speaker 4: is a little more clear than it's ever been in
Speaker 4: the last few years, Wory.
Speaker 2: So next episode, I will tell you about the time
Speaker 2: slammed into a telephone pole and definitely fucked up my
Speaker 2: frontal loaf. Idn't explained so much? Why didn't. Oh you
Speaker 2: should have told me this when I first met you.
Speaker 2: It's actually a very function to lead with that.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, I was in a car accident.
Speaker 4: Frontal lobe was a little because in now I'm expecting
Speaker 4: anything after that, like, oh, I get it, I understand right, fair, Yes,
Speaker 4: you gotta lead with the frontal lobe injury, Rory.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Josh added to the list. My frontal lobe injury.
Speaker 2: Yes of our next episode.
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