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Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. Two great guests this week. Coach k

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Speaker 1: former Duke legend, joined me right before Yukon rolled to

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Speaker 1: the title No surprises there. He told me why he

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Speaker 1: wasn't surprised by Yukon's success and told a great story

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Speaker 1: about one of the great shots in Duke history. Plus,

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Speaker 1: my buddy Nick Wright hit a bunch of topics we

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Speaker 1: always do. But first my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with some thoughts on Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 1: the Iowa basketball star and Angel Reese, the great player

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Speaker 1: for the national champion LSU Club. Sometimes social media is

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Speaker 1: truth serum. People show you their lack of discipline by

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Speaker 1: what they post. People show you their politics, their leanings,

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Speaker 1: They show you their temper. I'm always amazed at people

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Speaker 1: who think they're invisible on Twitter. For the record, folks,

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Speaker 1: we have thirty employees now and growing at the volume.

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Speaker 1: I've literally not hired people because of how they act

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Speaker 1: on social media. Watching the media on this Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: Angel re situation was really striking. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I think women's basketball is so much better today than

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Is because it's feisty and there's a

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Speaker 1: little trash talk, and it's a little chippy, and there's

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Speaker 1: a little more physicality pushing and shoving from time to time.

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Speaker 1: That's the ultimate sign of growth because we've had that

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Speaker 1: men's basketball forever. Women's basketball, more than any sport in

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Speaker 1: this country, has improved over twenty five years. More young

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Speaker 1: women are being encouraged to be athletes. It's always been cool,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people didn't get it and didn't

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Speaker 1: the people that rushed to Caitlin Clark's defense because of

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Speaker 1: some taunting by Angel Reese timeout, that's called one road

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Speaker 1: It's part of au it's part of college basketball, it's

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Speaker 1: tried to physically intimidate Caitlyn Clark, and let's stop there.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand to get to the highest levels of

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Speaker 1: any form of basketball, women's basketball, do you understand how

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Speaker 1: Do you know how competitive Caitlin Clark can aim Jel

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Speaker 1: to intimidate them, box them out, get chippy. That's called basketball.

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Speaker 1: I watched Larry Bird trash talk and Gary Peyton trash talk.

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Speaker 1: If you really respect women, then allow them the same

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Speaker 1: freedoms that we allow men. Verbal sparring is part of

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Speaker 1: punches at each other. It didn't end their careers. They

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Speaker 1: were able to overcome it. Ten minutes later, Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: when asked about Angel Reese, I'll read you the quote.

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Speaker 1: We're competitive, we shore emotions in different way. She's tremendous.

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Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for I love her game.

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Speaker 1: The way she rebounds, scores the ball incredible. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan of her. Stop pandering. She's okay, she's tough.

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Speaker 1: She can handle it. Show the same respect you would

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Speaker 1: you know. Years ago, I worked with somebody named Christine Leahy.

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Speaker 1: some sparring and trash talk. I mean, I have strong

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Speaker 1: a big fan of new things, but also regulation, be

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Speaker 1: crazy good. But we were really, really good, and I

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Speaker 1: thought what helped us in that game was said it

427
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Speaker 1: was a semifinal, not the final. They had won forty

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Speaker 1: five in a row. They had beaten us. Psychologically, we

429
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Speaker 1: have an advantage, you know, we do have an advantage,

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00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: and they had destroyed everybody, and no, not beaten, they

431
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: crushed crushed everybody. So we got we were talking about

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Speaker 1: if we can get them in the last few minutes.

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: We've been there before. They haven't been there before. And

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00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: everyone talks about Latner shot against Kentucky and which they should,

435
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: but one of the defining moments for me it was

436
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: Hurley shot just over two minutes to go. I think

437
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: they'd gone up by five and Tark went to as

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00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: Amba defense and before I could say anything to call

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00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: out anything, Hurley comes down and he jacks up at

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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: three and he hits it. So for me, I think

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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: in possessions two points, there were three two point possessions,

442
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: so his shot knocked it down to one two point possession.

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00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: It was really wanted the biggest shots in my you know,

444
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: for my career that a player took and I didn't

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00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: call it. I didn't call it, and then we were

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00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: fortunate we got their guard filed out, uh you know,

447
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: and uh Greg Anthony and uh Laitner hit some free

448
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: throws and God bless America. You know, we won a

449
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of sad people in Sindon City. Believe me, I

450
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: was a sportscaster there. So let's welcome to Nick Wright.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, I'm your love him. First thing first,

452
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: what's right with Nick? Right? So I was standing in

453
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: my six seven minute preamble to you, is the ultimate

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Speaker 1: respect to women as they can handle themselves, and that

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00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is not a lamb to be able to

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Speaker 1: get to the highest level of any Division one sport baseball, football, hockey, wrestling,

457
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: women's basketball. You've been mocked, you've been taunted, you've been

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00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: boxed out, You've probably taken a punch. These women are

459
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: feisty and they talk trash, and the ultimate respect isn't

460
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: rushing to their defense, it's realizing they can handle that.

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Speaker 1: She's nobody's underdog. Colin Listen, Angel Reese is awesome. Angel

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Speaker 1: Reese is Some of the people commenting like, oh, who

463
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Speaker 1: was Angel Reese to trash talk? She was the fourth

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Speaker 1: leading scorer in that game. She also set the all

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Speaker 1: time record for double doubles in a season, was a

466
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Speaker 1: first team All American, was the MVP of the goddamn tournament.

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Speaker 1: So angrew Reese when they win the championships. Allowed to

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Speaker 1: talk trash if she wants now. Caitlin Clark was the

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Speaker 1: best player in the country, and I know for some people,

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00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: because of Angel Reese's race and size, they looked at

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Speaker 1: her talking trash different than cait Clark talking trash. It's

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00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: nonsense and Caitlyn Clark didn't ask for anybody's protection. Caitlyn

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Clark dished it out, knew she could take it the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. And what I find so there is the

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Speaker 1: reaction to the trash talk, which I know you talked about,

476
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: We've talked about everywhere. To me, there was there were

477
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: obviously an obvious, massive racial component to who is and

478
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: who is not allowed to trash talk. But then there

479
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: is the what could have been action of the trash talk.

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00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: The bigger story, which is the success of this tournament

481
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Speaker 1: and can women's basketball at the collegiate level become women's tennis,

482
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: which is on par, if not at times exceeded the

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Speaker 1: interest in men's tennis, because we as a country have

484
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Speaker 1: shown we will watch women's sports if there is it's

485
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: not an inherent sexism, like we won't watch women's sports.

486
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Speaker 1: What we need is to feel like we're watching the

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Speaker 1: best product possible. And I feel like in tennis, the

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: men's serves became so powerful that there wasn't serve and

489
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Speaker 1: volley plus then all of a sudden, Serena comes around

490
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: and you have a massive American starts like a perfect storm.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a better product. It's more entertaining, all

492
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Speaker 1: of it. Women's college basketball is a better product than

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Speaker 1: men's college basketball, Flatland, because the things you need, which

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Speaker 1: is consistency of roster continuity stars are there in the

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Speaker 1: women's college game in a way they're not in the

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Speaker 1: men's game. And I think women's college basketball can have

497
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: a huge moment here because that LSU team scored one

498
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Speaker 1: hundred and two points in a regulation college basketball game.

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00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: San Diego State one going to score one hundred and

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Speaker 1: two last night if they got a third half by themselves,

501
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: and no disrespect, but I guess that's a little dispect

502
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Speaker 1: to them. It there is just it's a hell of

503
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: a product. The shop making awesome. And yes, we understand

504
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the same level of athleticism you

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Speaker 1: get from the men's game. We can go to the

506
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Speaker 1: NBA for that. And I like the attitudes, I like

507
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: the personalities, I like the stories. I really my daughter

508
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: and my youngest daughter, who's of my two daughters, a

509
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: bigger sports fan, has asked me, you know, why don't

510
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: I watch more women's sports? And I've never had like

511
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Speaker 1: the greatest answer for her. She's nine, and I was like,

512
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Speaker 1: we can go to some w NBA games, but the

513
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: w NBA versus the NBA one is just clearly from

514
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: basketball wise, a superior product. But the female college games

515
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: were awesome. They were. And here's the other part of it.

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00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I wonder if with Nil Colin, if there's not way

517
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Speaker 1: more money playing in college then going to the w NBA.

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00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: I wonder if for Caitlin Clark, can she not make

519
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: more money like whatever her sponsors will be, wouldn't they

520
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: prefer she be staying in college as long as possible

521
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: because those ratings are more viewers, more everything then at

522
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: the w NBA level. So I think that sport can

523
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: really have a moment right now. I really do. Yeah.

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00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: And I think the men's final four, the women blew

525
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: out ratings. The men's was one of the least watch

526
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: because you had underdogs and beat Between the transfer portal

527
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: and men's college basketball and the one and done culture,

528
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: you can't name any starters. The average college fan this

529
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: morning couldn't name two players for San Diego State and

530
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: they were in the title game. So and I do

531
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: think that doesn't it doesn't completely puncture the NBA. But mobility,

532
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: Adam Silver's always been more concerned about it than I would.

533
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons the Warriors continue

534
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: to get the best TV ratings and the Celtics are

535
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: right behind them is because it's the same group of

536
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: core group of guys for like six years, and that

537
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: really matters. That's why Brooklyn had all these stars and

538
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: terrible ratings. By the way, the Lakers last three years

539
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: I've had terrible ratings because the rosters constantly influx well

540
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: and the NBA doesn't need to do a better job

541
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion of marketing its next generation steps thirty

542
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: five Lebron's thirty eight, you know what I mean. Durant's

543
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: an old thirty four because of the injuries, Like you're

544
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna you're really living ratings wise off a group of

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Speaker 1: players who should not still be excellent. You know, they're

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00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: very the fact that Lebron's going on twenty years of

547
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: super high level play and relevance. That's borrowed time and

548
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: now maybe they're gonna try to transfer that to Bron,

549
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: But that's a hell of a bet they're nat Well.

550
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: The other thing, what can we take Sometimes I will

551
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: see a business out there with the volume we have

552
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: over thirty employees now, but I'll see a smaller business

553
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say, oh, I like what they're doing. So

554
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: I think you see this with big companies all the time.

555
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: They look and see what young ascending companies do. And

556
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: what can the NBA take from college sports? Well, the

557
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: quality isn't close, but the urgency is amazing. And if

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Speaker 1: I was Adam Silver, you cannot have seven game first

559
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: round series if you're looking for upsets, which clearly clearly

560
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: the urgency and the sudden death nature of college men's basketball.

561
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: Some of these ratings in the early part of this

562
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: tournament between no name teams get huge numbers. So I

563
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: think if you want to pass the baton from the

564
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: ters to the kids, you gotta have some shorter series

565
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: where sometimes a young team comes in with hutspun energy

566
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: and upsets Memphis and upsets a really good team that

567
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: now we know over time that young team in the

568
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: NBA won't win for a series. But I do think

569
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs could use more upset well, or let

570
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: me give because the counter to that will always be

571
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: how much more? How much benefit are we getting from

572
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: less revet and less inventory of our most valuable time

573
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: of year? Which is postseason games. Right, Someone give me

574
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: an actual answer why of all sports the NBA has

575
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: not gone to drafting your playoff opponent. You want the

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00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: regular season and matter if you are the one seed,

577
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: if you are Dinnbert, if you have earned it. Once

578
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: the field is set, you pick who you play. That

579
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: would be a massive reward. And if you're the two seed,

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00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: you get you get to pick next. As opposed to

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00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: what we're gonna have happened, which is now, all of

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00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna have I can't it's gonna be

583
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable to watch. In these finals, one hundred and twenty

584
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: hours of the season, the Lakers have been fighting like

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00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: hell to avoid the play in, and now, honest to God,

586
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I believe they might on the final day of the

587
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: season be the sixth seed and risk falling back into

588
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: the play in to avoid moving up to the five

589
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: where they have to play Phoenix. You know what I mean,

590
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the Lakers, Warriors, Clippers in like this

591
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: staring contest of who wants to play, like who wants

592
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: to guarantee they're not in the play in. But if

593
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: you do that and the other two teams take the

594
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: night off, you now all of a sudden, congrat you

595
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: avoid the play and here's Kevin Ryan, Devin Booker in

596
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: round one. Let these teams draft their playoff opponent. It

597
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: would so let me get in the East a team

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00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: that I know you've liked historically, Boston. Boston has been

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: better than Philly. Boston has not, over the course of

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00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: the year, been better than Milwaukee, but they did beat

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: him twice by forty points. You know what, Boston's big

602
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: reward for their season is going to be Miami in

603
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: round one. Congratulateuculations Boston. You know what I mean? Philly,

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: who's been worse than them. Philly's gonna get a shell

605
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: of a Brooklyn team. And it's like, Okay, Michael Bridge

606
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: is a nice player, but that's fine, that's absurd, it's ridiculous.

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00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Let and that would add intrigue and it would add

608
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: import to the regular season, and every first round series

609
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: would feel like a grudge match because the team would

610
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: be like, you picked us, why'd you pick us? Why

611
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: didn't you be it? So I wish they would do that.

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00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: I've encouraged that for all across all sports, but nobody,

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00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: the leagues don't want to do it well. I do

614
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: think they're going to do a midseason tournament in the NBA.

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00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I think what's happening. Analytics, to be honest, do not

616
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: always help sports. In baseball, it slowed the sport down right.

617
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: It was home runs, it was strikeouts. It was like,

618
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: does anybody hit a single anymore? So they finally got

619
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: rid of the end by the way, more singles, more

620
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: stolen bases, more plays at the play, more action. The

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00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: ratings are up, the games are better, more of everything.

622
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: But I do think the NBA, the analytics are telling

623
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: general managers rest your stars because this sport is so taxing.

624
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: So in baseball you go into a town and you

625
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: hang out for four days and a third of the

626
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: team doesn't play. They're in the bullpen. But in basketball

627
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: and hockey, and especially basketball, because you're not on the

628
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: ice for forty five seconds, then off a player who's

629
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: abnormally large anyway, right, like a seven foot one guy

630
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: who travels, gonna be harder for him, regardless of the plane.

631
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: So he's going to play forty minutes both ends, burn

632
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: through seven thousand calories, get on a plane, land in

633
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: a city at four in the morning, go to bed quickly,

634
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: get up, shoot around. Frankly, have you seen old basketball players?

635
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: They're all bent over, they all look like hell. So

636
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: the analytics are telling you play stars less. So even

637
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: though this minimum number of games for awards sounds like

638
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: on its face it will solve it for a veteran player,

639
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: he's not gonna a veterans by the way, Yannis. He

640
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: doesn't care about awards anymore. He wants to be healthy

641
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: for the Celtics, gona play. I don't know that there's

642
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: a solved. It is because it's the constant conflict between

643
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: the GM and his cross sports, the GM slash head coach,

644
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: who's own only incentive and obligation is winning an ownership

645
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: in the league, Who theoretically should the only incentive should

646
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: be we're an entertainment product. How do we maximize our

647
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: entertainment value? Like? The only thing I could compare it

648
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: to is the schedule. I live in New York City.

649
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: The Broadway schedule is insane. You get Mondays off, still

650
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: do seven shows a week? Hey, there're two and a

651
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: half hour shows, right, and a lot of these. There's

652
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: a show I went to with my You know, my

653
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: daughter's a senior in high school. She's a theater major.

654
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: It's what she wants to go into. Show called Funny Girl,

655
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: the Fanny Bright Story. The main character, the star of

656
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: it now is this girl from Glee who is legitimately

657
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: fuhnomen And the moment she signed up to do it,

658
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: tickets through the roof. They you know, they announced she's

659
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: not doing Thursdays or whatever, but she's doing every other

660
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: show they do. My guess is I can't prove this,

661
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: but she probably would be slightly better if she was

662
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: only doing three shows a week. But Broadway understands our

663
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: entire purpose is entertainment. We're not competing, you know, we

664
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: are here to entertain the audience therefore make money. So

665
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: you are out there every single night. Can you imagine

666
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: if a Broadway had the same type of thing in

667
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: the NBA, It's like, well, you know, we've looked at it,

668
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: and she's really only going to be able to peak

669
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: performers on three days a week, and we're not going

670
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: to tell the audience any idea what three days those

671
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: are going to be until they show up and kill him.

672
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: And so I don't know what it is. I don't

673
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: know what the solve is. If the NBA keeps trying

674
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: to do it, but I don't think Adam Silver is

675
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: quite a harsh enough hand to force it because he's

676
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: in a partnership with the players. But this does go

677
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: ahead because I have a different question. But go ahead, well,

678
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: because I don't think there is a solve, and that's okay.

679
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: NASCAR's audience is old. Every sport as a whole and

680
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: a problem. NASCAR's sport is old. How solvable is it.

681
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: NFL's got a concussion issue, it's grown men tackling each other.

682
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: It's not going away. Baseball's got a pace issue and

683
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: a lack of scarcity. There's a billion games that's not

684
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: going away. Hockey relevance. Gretzky helped a little briefly college

685
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: basketball one and done culture. The truth is the NBA

686
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: problem like every sport. Cricket had a pace problem. Soccer,

687
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: there's just so few elite players that if you get

688
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: one and you face teams that don't have one, you

689
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: just dominate for a decade. So I don't feel bad

690
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: for the NBA because I think you can mitigate some

691
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: of the issues. But every sport has an issue. This

692
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: is really the primary one for the NBA stars sitting

693
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: you won't completely solve it, but I think like concussions,

694
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: less hitting in practice, better helmets, it will take out

695
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: about thirty percent of it. And for the record, if

696
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: you give me thirty percent more stars playing, it won't

697
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: be on talk shows. It will give ten years ago.

698
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: And it was never a topic. That's right. You know

699
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent correct. All right. One. I don't

700
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: know where else you want to go, but when you're

701
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: talking about college basketball and then resting guys brought me

702
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: to something that I mentioned on TV today that I

703
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: want your thoughts on. All right, So everyone saw the

704
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Victor winban Yama highlight, the seven foot five alien did

705
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: a step back three missed it, went and got his

706
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: own dun got his own foot back dune. I also

707
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: saw a video of the pregame workout he does for

708
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: his feet. He does like these foot stretched things to

709
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: whatever to try to keep his feed healthy. And then

710
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: I heard saw this quote from a Western Commerce general

711
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: manager saying, we're all going to feel like idiots for

712
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: not tanking for this guy. I am quietly very concerned,

713
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: and my entirety, the entire reason for my concern is

714
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: literally never have I ever seen someone taller than seven

715
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: three not be ravaged by injuries ever? Not once? And

716
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be playing on the perimeter

717
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: on that type of wear and tear. Colin, I don't

718
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: care how far back we have to go. Ralph Sampson

719
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: his feet, it killed him, Rick Smith's or Vias Sabonis,

720
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Yao Ming Sam Booth and I don't know if he

721
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: was seven of the A's quite as tall, but yeah,

722
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: Greg Odin who wasn't quite as tall. Durant even had

723
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the Jones fracture and now seems to be breaking down

724
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: a little. Or zingis por zingis all of them? Forget

725
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the super tall guys you minute Ball and some of

726
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: those guys that dealt with some tragic stuff. I everyone

727
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: is talking that. People are like, he would go number

728
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: one in the draft if Lebron were in it. Guys,

729
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: the thing is, I get it. If you tell me

730
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: Wimban Yama's gonna be healthy for fifteen years. Yeah, he's

731
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Speaker 1: one of the three greatest prospects ever, maybe the best

732
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: prospect ever. I don't know, but I have seen I

733
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: am so when Chet was coming out, I was like, yeah,

734
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: it's the skinniest player I've ever seen, and we got

735
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: wild and Brew killed me for it on the show.

736
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: I was like, skinniest player I've ever seen. He played

737
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: one summer league game against Lebron and we've never do

738
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: We've never seen him yet since then, Wimby concerns me

739
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: because when you're so tall, your agent is lying about

740
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: your height in the other direction, alarm bells go off

741
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: for me because I don't know, man, I just what

742
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: makes him so special is what would terrify me. And

743
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: here is the reason I was thinking about it. Team.

744
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: Have the Pelicans helped or hurt Zion? I don't know.

745
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: I know they've been as cautious as possible. He's played

746
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty games in four years. Maybe you

747
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: can tell me if they were, you know, more old

748
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: school with him, he'd he'd be out of the league

749
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: by now. Hard time believing it. I think maybe that

750
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: the being so cautious with everything with him has not

751
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: been the best for him. I can totally see the

752
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: same thing happening with this kid. He comes into the league,

753
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: has a little minor thing, they're like, oh, give it

754
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: six weeks. Like, I don't know. It makes me nervous.

755
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: It makes me nervous. Yeah. Yeah, we just recently came

756
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: to terms with size matters for quarterbacks. I remember pushing

757
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: back on Kyler Murray and like, guys, he's significantly smaller

758
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: than everybody else, Russell Will, anybody's ever been. And I

759
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: remember very early an All Pro defensive lineman in the

760
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: NFL who I know played him year one and said, brother,

761
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: he's not going to be in this league seven years.

762
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: He does not like to get hit. He goes. I

763
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: hit him, he went absolutely, But I have another theory

764
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: on that. So people were very uncomfortable. I didn't like

765
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I said, as a one, he's too small.

766
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: He's not that. So we're coming to terms with Drew

767
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Brees was the outlier that size matters and quarterbacks. I

768
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: said the same thing about chet Holmgren. I said, up,

769
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Speaker 1: I had one pick, I wouldn't take him, but Oklahoma

770
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: City had so many picks. So he's such a physical

771
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: uniform unicorn. You owe it to yourself to take take

772
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: the take the flyer. I'm fine with it. I just

773
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't like most or least biggest or smallest anything basically, right, Yeah,

774
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: I like that, and I know I can get aren't

775
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: on it, but this is. And I'm curious what your

776
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: theory on Bryce is because Bryce is clearly the best

777
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: on film prospect, it's not even arguable. But then I'm like, wait,

778
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: they're saying he's thinner than Guyler. I don't know if

779
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: I think he might be undraftable for me, Like he's

780
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: so small, So I that he's too small, like the

781
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: biggest or the smallest just concerns me. I want to

782
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: see someone else do it first. What's your theory on Bryce? Okay, okay,

783
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: So my theory is you can't treat every investment like

784
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: a four oh one K. So a four oh one

785
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: K you put money into and never take it out

786
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: until you retire. But you can also day trade stocks.

787
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: You can buy stuff and sell it. You can flip houses.

788
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of equities, and there's a lot of

789
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: investments that aren't built for long term, and those are

790
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: also excellent investments. So not every quarterback you draft is

791
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: for ten years. But if Carolina said to themselves, listen,

792
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: our doctors say you're going to get three really good

793
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: years out of him, and by year four Hill deteriorate.

794
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: To stabilize the organization, wouldn't you still take him? Oh

795
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yep. So what you don't want to be

796
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL is Indianapolis a wreck. But in that

797
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: division in the NFC, Frank Reich's a good coach. You

798
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: bring him and by the second year, you draft a

799
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the sixth round. The third year you draft

800
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Speaker 1: one in the fourth round, the fourth year you draft

801
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: one in the second. The Patriots every other year drafted

802
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback with Brady. There's an argument to be made

803
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: you should draft a quarterback every year anyway. But if

804
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: you believe Bryce is the best quarterback, and if you

805
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: just got three years, which for any size is small,

806
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think two is going into year four.

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00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Let's say you let's say realistically, Kyler gives you two

808
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: more years and then retires and goes, I'm done. Well,

809
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: he had Josh Rosen and everybody was getting fired and

810
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: Kyler got into the playoffs. And so it's like chet Holmgren,

811
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Speaker 1: if you told me where you're gonna get four really

812
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: good years from him, the first round of the NBA's

813
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: a bust. Sure, So that's interesting that if it's just

814
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at it as and three years, I don't know.

815
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Speaker 1: If it's just three years, I think that would concern me.

816
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: But if you're like, hey, this guy's going to give

817
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: you his full rookie contract, his fifth year option, and

818
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: one franchise tag and you're never gonna have to give

819
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: him the massive deal and you're going to instantly be relevant,

820
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: have the quarterback on the route on the cheap deal,

821
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: That's something I've never really considered that idea, but that

822
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I just and by the way, and maybe he defies

823
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: the odds. Maybe he is Drew Brees, and you know,

824
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: because he has so accurate and seems like such a

825
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: good kid, it just seems like so small in a

826
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: big man's game. You mentioned the Colts and you asked

827
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: me on the show today about Lamar. Would you Peter

828
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: King said that he believes that the Ravens would just

829
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: give you Lamar straight up for the fourth pick. Would

830
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: you do that if you were Indie, just a four

831
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: pick for Lamar Jackson, number four overall pick this year's draft.

832
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: You give them that, and you got to give Lamar deal.

833
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: Peter King says he thinks the Ravens would say yes

834
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: to that. They wouldn't try to match. They wouldn't fourth overall.

835
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Speaker 1: Pick Lamar straight up if I'm in the would heart

836
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: beat yes, because I think in the NFC he would dominate.

837
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: In the AFC, he'll make you very viable. And and

838
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: I also think that Indies in a situation now we're

839
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: at best, they're going to get the third best quarterback

840
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: unless somebody leaps them correct in a bad quarterback class

841
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: or Lamore Jackson and you and you can take a

842
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: deep breath and say we're off this damn treadmill. So

843
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: I think the Lamar conversation has been so I don't

844
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: know that any conversation has ever frustrated me more because

845
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: it it seems like to me obvious where he is

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Speaker 1: as a player. He is clearly not a top five

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Speaker 1: quarterback in football, just clearly not. And I understand anyone

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Speaker 1: of un animas MVP get it. I understand that some

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Speaker 1: of the folks will be like, here are just his

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Speaker 1: passing stats, not his rushing stats. I'm like, honestly, I

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Speaker 1: could give a shit. I watched the games. I know

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Speaker 1: he's not a great passer. I know he's not I

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Speaker 1: know there are you know, mahomes Borough, Trevor, Herbert Allen,

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Speaker 1: those five guys are better than him. I understand Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert doesn't. If Justin Herbert were, it's like, hey, you

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Speaker 1: can have him for two first round picks. There is

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Speaker 1: somebody would offer him a contract by now I know

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Speaker 1: this to be true. Right, there's those five guys, right.

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Speaker 1: I also know that right now, if you're actually ranking

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks going down the list, Dak Prescott's like tenth and Dak,

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Speaker 1: I think Lamar's better than Dak. You might say Dak

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Speaker 1: Prett and Lamar whatever it is. At worst, Lamar's the

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Speaker 1: tenth best quarterback. So he's not one of the absolute

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Speaker 1: no brainers. He's still better than twenty starters. So, like,

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Speaker 1: let's all take a deep breath. Teams are so desperate

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Speaker 1: for quarterbacks you give Daniel Jones forty million a year

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Speaker 1: for four years. So again, so is he perfect? No?

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Speaker 1: Is he hurting himself by not having an agent? I

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Speaker 1: think unquestionably yes? Is it frustrating that he hasn't the

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Speaker 1: passing wise, he's actually awesome, it's some of the really

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Speaker 1: hard stuff. It's the layups that he's not great at,

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Speaker 1: has never gotten great at. And it's frustrating. Sure, But

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Speaker 1: does it still seem baffling to me that a team

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Speaker 1: like Detroit isn't like m We Dame nevermy the playoffs

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Speaker 1: with Jared Goff. We have extra first round picks. We're

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Speaker 1: in the soft conference, in a division that next year

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Speaker 1: the most established quarterback is going to be Kirk Cousins. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll pay Lamar Jackson and maybe go to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Even though he's not perfect. I do think there's something else.

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Speaker 1: So we both admit his unorthodox personal representation hurts and

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Speaker 1: that the injury is really hurt. There is a third

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Speaker 1: thing that an executive in the league told me about

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Speaker 1: a year ago is that if you bring him in,

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Speaker 1: you better go find a backup that works for him

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Speaker 1: if he gets hurt. And it's a different offense and

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Speaker 1: your typical offense, so you've got to make some real

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Speaker 1: staff changes. And if he's a franchise guy you got

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Speaker 1: to sign, you got to bring in a whole new group.

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Speaker 1: And it's almost like in our space, there's people that

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Speaker 1: do play by play, and there's people that are analysts,

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Speaker 1: and then there's guys like you and I that are

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Speaker 1: opinionists and generalists. Well, we don't work doing games or

893
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: hosting a show, right, you have to bring in people

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Speaker 1: who create topics for you. And I so Lamar is

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Speaker 1: unique and that he's not your classic drop pack, but

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Speaker 1: he's a better thrower than you think. He does have

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Speaker 1: an injury issue, one of them, kind of freaky in

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Speaker 1: the pocket, but he's got such a dynamic style of

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Speaker 1: which you should absolutely lean into that there is a

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Speaker 1: okay if we bring him in an indie, Okay, Shane Steiken,

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Speaker 1: what do you have to do to your staff to

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Speaker 1: do this? And so now I'm not saying there aren't

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Speaker 1: a lot of things you can't do with Lamar you

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Speaker 1: can do with our quarterbacks, but he is such I listen,

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Speaker 1: I talked to Sean Payton about Russell Wilson when he

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Speaker 1: was not the Broncos coach, and I said, what would

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Speaker 1: you do? And he said, I'd get him back to

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Speaker 1: playing basketball on grass. He goes, russells at his bass

909
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: playing basketball on grass. Well, that's not Drew Brees, right.

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Speaker 1: So you're literally bringing in staff and people and personnel

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Speaker 1: that work with basketball on grass. So Lamar's that, to

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Speaker 1: I would say, an even hyper version of that. So

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Speaker 1: he's a very I guess what I'm saying is The

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Speaker 1: downside to Unique is that you have to build people

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Speaker 1: to support Unique, correct, and it's not as easy's That's

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Speaker 1: why listen, Do I think the league as a whole

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to do guaranteed deals? Obviously? Do I think

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Speaker 1: the owners might be, you know, at the owners meetings

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Speaker 1: asking around, you're not gonna You're not doing guaranteed We're

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Speaker 1: not We're not going down there. You know, the Brown

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Speaker 1: screwed us. We're not going further. Sure, So do I

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Speaker 1: think there is that level of collusion? If you sure?

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Speaker 1: But as I said before, if Trevor Lawrence, we're done

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Speaker 1: with this contract, franchise tagged, and for the whole league

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Speaker 1: it was like Trevor was like, Hey, I want a

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed deal and it's gonna cost two first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Five of these teams would have said, I don't care

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Speaker 1: who gets mad at me, I'm doing it. So part

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Speaker 1: of the reason there hasn't been a hot Lamar market

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Speaker 1: is because of the things that you're talking about. There

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Speaker 1: are some limitations and it is not simple, but there

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Speaker 1: is still a massive instant upside, particularly for an NFC

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Speaker 1: team where going into next year, the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the conference I think Jalen Hurts has earned that, but

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Speaker 1: he's only shown to us for one year, and then

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Speaker 1: after that it's Kirk and I sorry, it's Stafford coming

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Speaker 1: off an injury, or Dak or whomever. We have no idea,

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Speaker 1: and so that part of it is it is. And

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Speaker 1: my theory on that is, I think most of the

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Speaker 1: these teams are waiting until after the draft because if

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Speaker 1: you're like, if we sign Lamar, we're going to be better,

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Speaker 1: So our pick in the future years will be worse

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Speaker 1: than pick this year, so might as well spend our

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Speaker 1: you know, use our pick this year, and then the

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Speaker 1: two first round picks we'd have to give up are

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Speaker 1: going to be in the twenties or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: I also think when I saw the report that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots were shopping mac Jones, that I'd keep an eye

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